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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Just busy weekends, fun times, all sorts of great stuff
in Denver sports that we get a chance to chat about, Dave,
my friend.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Good to see you, Good to see you guys.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Yeah, it's uh, we got the drafts, got the Nuggets
in dramatic fashion, tying things up in the series. Holy
cal Aaron Gordon. And then of course, yeah the ass
cab Lanscott. What a story that was scoring a route
on Saturday night. So all sorts of fun things to.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Get to Dave. How'd you? How was your weekend, my friend?
It was actually it was actually good. Nice. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
I went to had a player, Gunner Helm, taken in
the fourth round by the Titans, so his family had
a little get together and we got invited to that.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
So that was cool. That was good.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Yeah, man, it's uh, you know what, it's always it's
always fun to see uh, young guys able to realize
and then I might qualify this realized the first part
of their dream, right that. Okay, now the door has
opened and now I've walked into this big mansion called
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the NFL.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Now what do you do with it? At that point? Yeah?
How do you stay there? Right?
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Right?
Speaker 5 (01:14):
Such a cool moment, such a school weekend, right, I
mean this weekend for so many people are impacted by it,
whether it's the guys that are getting drafted, or the
parents that struggled, or the parents that did everything for
the kid to try to get him to this point,
the high school coaches that they realized, right, you know
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one of I've never told you guys. It's like I
have a mentor in my life. And his name is
Chris Pete. He was my high school head football coach
when I got down to South Florida and after my
junior year, I was still kind of messing around and
skipping school and not really going every single day. And
he brings me into our gymnasium where the basketball court,
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and he brought me in the middle of the basketball court.
He said, hey, listen at the point of your life
where there are so many different things that could happen
for you. And he kind of stood right behind me
and pointed in the direction. He said, Hey, if you
go down this road, you're going to end up in jail.
And like, grab me and spun me a little bit,
and you go down this road, you might end up dead.
And gave me all these different scenarios and he finally
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got to that last one. He's like, well, you go
down this road, you get an opportunity to go to
college for free, You'll get opportunity to play in the NFL. Right,
So I just remember, like every single year this time
of year, I always remember that because I was in
a little knucklehead at that point still and still messing
around with no no, no, you know, a lot little
I'm a lot little over knuckle ahead now than I
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ever been in my life.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
But I mean, it's just good on him for doing it. Yeah,
good on him for doing that.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
I want to mention one other guy to Miles Purchase,
who actually played on Gunner's team. Uh, just great player,
finished Didowa State. He signed a free agent contract with
the LA Chargers. So I'll tell you what he's He'll
make it very, very tough for them to get rid
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of him.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
So I'm Gunner Helm for just a moment. And I
imagine that was a lot of fun for you. You've
spoken glowingly about him for a long time. I remember
when we played the audio of him out at the
combine talking about getting a chance to be coached by you.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
I knew it meant a lot to him. What was that?
Speaker 1 (03:21):
What does that seem like for you as a coach,
because you've seen a lot of players get the opportunity
to go in the NFL or signed college free agent
kind of deals, drafted to the fourth round. I mean,
certainly Broncos fans were disappointed because they wanted the Broncos
to draft him and just wasn't there at that time.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
What was that like when he got the call? And
did he ask you.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Any kind of advice in that moment about as a
former player or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
No, I mean I was just real proud of him, right,
I mean he I mean, this is a this is
a kid that was a wide receiver. And I talked
to I he probably would not have played as early
in his sophomore year, and I said, listen, I you know,
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I think you may be somebody that eventually plays with
your hand the dirt.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
And to his.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Credit, he said, hey, whatever I can do to get
on the field, right.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
My kids, But right I'm going in a different direction days.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Yeah, well that's right, and he he could have too.
So you know, you just you reflect on how unhappy
are for them and their families.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
And how hard they've worked.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
He's he's stuck it out of Texas when the first
couple of years didn't. It didn't look like it was
going to end too well for him. To his credit,
he went in and asked them, what do I need
to do? Where do I need to get better? How
can I get better? How can I get to the NFL?
And they were honest with him, and so here he is. Now,
you've got to take advantage of this opportunity in Miles
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is the same, I mean, same type of character kid.
He will he's smart, he's tough. You know, I'm I'm
gonna be surprised if he does not make that roster.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
That's how much I think of him.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
That's what I was just saying in my head, you know,
hearing the characteristic, hearing that he stuck through it at Texas,
especially in a world today where so many of these
guys they faced a little bit of adversity. Coach yelled
at me too hard, or I'm not playing as much
as I would like to, or not enough balls going
my way. It's easy nowadays he's jumping the portal to say,
all right, peace out, I'll go somewhere else. Yeah, But
to stay there and go through that adversity that's so
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cool and unique in itself. Where now, when you get
to this level, I was just saying that in my mind,
I bet this young man is going to find success
at this level. And I bet both of them will.
You know, I'm talking about Miles.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
I mean, I think Gunner absolutely, but Gunner will because
he's fourth round pick, you know you, I mean the
NFL will say no.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
But you know, oh and I both played in that thing.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
You're afforded a little more opportunity then maybe an undrafted
college free agent. Miles Purchase to me is Chris Harris.
That's that's who he is. So I and normally I
don't you know, gosh, I've coached thirty two years. Very
seldom do I talk about high school football or kids
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on the show because no other well now that the
Valor coach has his own show, but I used to say,
no other head coach, no other head coach has a show.
So I'm not going to, you know, take advantage of that.
But I feel strongly about those two kids. Hey, let
me ask both of you, and I think one will
have the answer and one will not do Either of
you know what a BBL is, Yes, I do.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
I know.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
I know.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
So I'm sitting today with a friend. Just a real
quick story.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
This is This is certainly off the topic of the NFL,
although although a lot of dudes in the NFL will
know what a BBL is.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
And I got to be honest about it. I didn't,
Oh that's my bb when I lost one hundred pounds.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Yes you did, Yes, you did, so Ryan, a bb
L is this is a real thing.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Brazilian butt lift. I just each gts so you already already, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I already.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
I'm taking aware of it. And the guys said, you
got to get out of the get out of the house.
You've been living under a rock. And I'm thinking, wait
a minute, bb L.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
So I guess it's a It's a something that's done
like quite a bit.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
Yeah, common thing. You see it a lot on social media,
depending on the type of people that you follow.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yes, your algorithm is interesting. Mine is not that I
just get under a rack.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
That's what I'd say, get under a squad. Right, you
can develop your own BBL. I haven't touched away since
I retired. That's why I lost my people. Those are
supposed to have. The bbls are not for dudes.
Speaker 6 (07:56):
Oh, of course all those NFL players got bb Come on.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
So, so for the doctors that are performing that type surgery,
do you think most of their clientele is male?
Speaker 2 (08:10):
No, I think it's female.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
I think males get it naturally and certain females go
and purchasing. If you play football, you're gonna grow a
little bit of a BBL.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
No, that's true, that's true. Absolutely. I had queens and
it caught me off guard. I'm like, huh, okay, man,
look at look at the ass, look at that.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
What was I saying about that? Who knows if you're
talking about the BBL?
Speaker 3 (08:37):
No, talking about no BBL. That had to be a
reference to a dog.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
I can't know.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
You just threw your cousin out of the bus for
something that is your algorithm.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
I gotta car myself. My wife might be listening. His
cousin's not married exactly, not trying to get in trouble, right.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
You just mentioned in conversations It's like, yeah, I'm sitting
there again with a friend of mine and somebody walks
through the door and he goes, oh, that's that's bb L.
I'm like, b BBL, Like you know, BBL is so
we had that conversation. Like, dude, I felt a little
bit unqualified because I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Now I know. Well, I'm glad that I was able
to google that on that.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
I think Ryan, if guys get one, okay, because you've
lost so much weight a little bit, Yeah, you know
what I mean, we might we might think about that
for you.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
I guess I'll you know what I'll do. I'll do
a little bit of I'll ask the wife if that's
something that.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
She feels strongly that you should get. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Well, first i'll see if she knows what it is.
She probably does, she's she's pretty hip. Oh yeah, yeah,
she's like her algorithm probably does have that.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
They take your own fat, he said, Oh really, They
take your own fat, take it from other places in
the body, and put it in your butt.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
I think that'd be a fun endorsement.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
But can you.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Imagine the spot.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
This is Ryan Harris for Persilian butt lifts. Let me
tell you about her. Yeah, but it's not just for women. No,
that's right. Take the after photos of you.
Speaker 6 (10:02):
I used to like wordspeedo before tell you my bblah only.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
All right, So we're excited to be here with you.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Dave let's let's dive right in, Man, what'd you think
of the draft class for the Broncos seven players? They
went a lot more developed middle on Day three, but
what did you think of the group as in general?
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Again, I think based on the track record, especially the
recent track record of George Peyton and since Sean has
been here the last couple of years, this club has
done a pretty good job in the draft, and so
I think if you had that mindset going in, you're
more likely to say, okay. I mean they feel pretty
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strongly about that. I think the first pick is going
to be a great player. I think most teams had
him in the top ten or twelve, top ten, eleven, twelve.
I think the Broncos had him in the top ten,
and he's available at twenty. So you, I mean, if
you if you're true to your board, and if that's
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the case, which I believe it is, then that's that's
an easy pick, right. And I also think when genty
went to the Raiders, I think a lot of teams
had the rest of the running backs, maybe five or
six of all those running backs sort of lumped in together.
One of them did something better, the other one did
something better.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
But they're all you know, they're all good players.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
And I think the Broncos said, you know, we can
get we can get Barn at twenty and still get
a good running back in the second round, which I
think if you if you go back and look at
our J's film, I mean, he's got some he's got
some exciting moments on film. That juice he's got. He
could run four to four guy. So and I like that,
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you know, from.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
What I know. And went back and looked a little
bit at the receiver.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Out of Illinois. I'll tell you what he is after
the catch. So I'm thinking about this for for a receiver.
He's a no nonsense receiver after the catch, and like,
what what does that mean? Like he squares north and south,
makes one move and is going. So he's he's tough,
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good blocker. You don't draft a guy that high though
to be only a good blocker. Seems like he's a
good ball catcher. And when you heard Sean compare him
to Marcus Colston, no, Michael Thomas, I mean that's that's
pretty high praise man for a guy that for two
or three year period was as productive for he get
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hurt as any receiver in the league.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
He was a tremendous interview too. He was so I
didn't hear that. Oh he was so fun.
Speaker 7 (12:48):
Here.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I'll just play a little bit of it here, just
a couple of cuts here. But this was he was
asked about blocking. You talked about it.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
He's a good blocker, right, And this is what he
told Nick Ferguson.
Speaker 7 (12:57):
My model was always, you know, no block, no rot.
But not only that, man, it's not taking no plays off.
I like to you know, I like to play bully ball,
you know, I like to I like to be on
a dB all game. Loan will never give him a break.
So really just you know, helping in that run game.
So it is what kind of player I am, what
kind of team and I am not only you don't
want to make big plays, but I want to help
my teammate make bit plays as well. And you know,
I love to put dvs in the dirt, especially when
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it's blocking.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
There you go, there you go.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
And he was great, And honestly, there's a lot I mean,
you obviously get into the rest of the class as well.
But that was that was the big surprise. Pat Bryant
was the big surprise. Though that a lot of people thought,
consensus wise he was going to go much later. But
if you hear Sean Payton talking about him, you hear
what Dave says about him. Yea, at that point, you're
taking a player that you believe in and that you
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see a path forward in his future.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
I think the Broncos and for George Payton this year
they had the luxury This is now a luxury draft
class right where we haven't had that in the past.
In the past it was you know, how do we
fix this team up to get to the postseason. I
think this organization, this coaching staff feel really good about
where they are as a football team now and saying, hey,
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how can we get better on special teams? How can
we get better around bow nigs? And you know, how
can we get guys day one that might not play
for us on offense, right, like a guy like Pat
brid might not play a ton of staffs offensively because
of a stack wide receiver room. But sure as heck
you're going to be playing some special teams. You're going
to be on the Big four. So for me, this
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class was all about This draft This past weekend was
all about best player available. Staying true to your board
with a heavy ends on emphasis on how do we
get better on special teams? And I definitely think that
they got better as a football team. But I'll tell
you the guy that I'm most excited about is the
kelip kid from Utah, you know. And the reason why
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I'm the most excited about this guy is I look
at him like as a Jimmy Graham type of guy. Right,
he played basketball, Right, he's getting drafted out of Utah,
but he went to BYU, was playing some bast fsketball.
He's six seven, he's at the tight end position. And
I've already watched what Sean Payton did with the guy
that I had to recruit to come play football at
the University of Miami and Jimmy Graham. So I look
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at Caleb as, Yeah, he might not be a three
down tight end, but he's certainly going to get some Hey,
let's go twelve personnel and let's go put those two
tight ends out here, and how do we now manipulate
a defense and give both some big targets where guys
could go up and get it.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Yeah, Cale Lohner he had four catches for four touchdowns
on fifty seven snaps average, frea good average. And I
asked him if he was the most efficient player in
the history of college football, and I guess I think
Mike Rabel was a big I think Rabel had like
ten catches or twelve twelve was a twelve?
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, someone like Rabel had twelve catches and twelve test touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
So, but still, I mean, that's that's pretty impressive because
his only year, this last year is the only year
he played football. He had not played football for Utah.
I played basketball the entire time. But again, you heard
Sean's comments after the drafts and he brought up Jimmy Graham.
He d all the success they've had a developing basketball
players in his high ends.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
It's yeah, I think that I'm anxious to see him too.
I'll be honest about I wasn't familiar with him when
his name got called. I'm like, huh. But then going
back and looking a little bit, as O said touchdown
versus EU.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Like he did they like they being the league.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
I think when you talk about inside people, if you've
been a basketball player, a college basketball player, there's just
something about your your ability to block out, your ability
to go up and get a rebound.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
You're used to having not this kind of contact, but
some contact with when you catch the ball.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
You're used to handling the ball a lot, so a
lot of times those guys in terms of their hand
dexterity and their hand eye coordination, it's really good from
a basketball player that is also capable of playing football.
Speaker 5 (16:59):
I get you want more. They don't get tired. Like
I think about it. I mean playing the game of basketball.
This guy's coming from four years playing basketball, now all
of a sudden, you got to play football.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Football.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
You had to love. I remember Jimmy coming into the like, man,
we're not a go route. I run go routes all day.
This is a joke. We get to huddle after every
single play and I'm sitting there like, stop talking, please
stop talking. But I think you know, you look at
these guys that the Broncos win and got, and it's
about putting teams in conflict. You know, we could line
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these guys up in multiple positions and really get defensive
coordinators or even offensive coordinators, really make them have to
take a second look at the personnel grouping that you
have out there on the field and know where where's
barn going to be at right? Where was he at?
Is he in the box? Are they in dying right now?
Or are they playing nickel? He could be the nickel
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the nickel guy, or he could be the corner or
in certain situations. You know, we saw it last year
and I believe it was. I believe it was the
La Vegas game where PS two obviously plays cornerback, one
of the best cornerbacks to ever do it, and we
saw what he did last year in the NFL. But
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then him and Adams on a snap at the end
of the snap, they end up playing cover two, but
Pat became the deep safety and Adams came down and
end up playing the cornerback position. And I just think
that when you're playing with guys like Patrick Mahomes and
Justin Herbert, you have to have that ability where, hey,
you got to take a second look and these guys
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could cover some ground. So I like where the Broncos
are heading. I like that they have the luxury where
they could start thinking about special teams because they haven't
had that luxury for a very long time. You got
to win football games to now turn it into a
destination place. And it's now another notch in the right direction.
But for the Broncos, I feel really really good about
this time of year. It's like this is everybody. It's
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ninety percent the team is here, right, and we have
all the ingredients. Now the appetizer might change, but the
main course is not going to change. And they have
the main course now, so I'm excited for them to
get after it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
I mean that's a really good point.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I mean we said this on Saturday during our eight
hours of coverage on air. We said that this this
felt like a draft where every department kind of had
a bit of a fingerprint on it. Right, all three
phases had a fingerprint on it. Especially in day three
when you're at you're drafting Hugh Robinson out of Alabama,
who's a developmental edge, but Nick Saban said he's his
favorite special teams player he's ever coached.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
That's Nick Saban saying that, right, I mean that matters.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Then you draft a punter, right, an Aussie out of Florida,
and I mean you need a punter.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
It's good to have a cost control punter if you
don't have to go out.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
I mean you brought in Hake, but again little competition
there this I would assume at this point he's gonna
end up winning. And then yeah, and then you go
developmental tight end at that point. Who again, you'll see
where that ends up going. You take those shots later,
as you put it, because you're in a luxury position.
We went into the draft, David, we said, running back
to probably the biggest hole. And outside of that, everything
else you're you're you're adding depth, and you're adding guys
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that maybe upgrade you in a few positions.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Yeah, and they, I mean, they obviously addressed them running
back situation. I still think there may be another signing
running back signing coming here with a veteran free agent.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
And I was a little bit shocked.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Of course, that would be an oxymoron, wouldn't It. Can't
be a little bit and then be shocked, can't you.
So I was a little surprised that they waited as
long as they did on the tight ends.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Just a little. So what if the board didn't quite fall?
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Yeah, maybe I mean that that that I mean, there
could be three or four legit reasons and then they
may have been ready to raft somebody and somebody else
took them, and so you never really know. But like, oh,
I think this, Uh, I think they've earned they being
George Payton along with Sean the last two years. But
George before Sean, I think he's earned the right to
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sort of evaluate a draft after we see it a
little bit. I trust that guy in terms of his
football acumen and his staff and some of the some
of the talents that they've identified, because they've had a
track record recently, have been pretty damn good at it.
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Speaker 3 (21:33):
One other thing Ryan before we continue, Caine Medrano from
Publo East got drafted.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Uh? Who got him by the by the commanders?
Speaker 3 (21:42):
I think, like safety at UCLA great athlete, I mean
really could run.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
That dude was, I mean he was a sprinter. I
believe in high school. So yeah, I went to Washington.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Yeah, so we we wish him well be followed him absolutely.
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Speaker 2 (22:11):
Ian. Good, afternoon, sir, It's been a busy weekend.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
We really appreciate the time you're on with Dave Ryan
and Orlanda Franklin.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
How are you no problem?
Speaker 2 (22:18):
What's going on?
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Guys?
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Are you hey?
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Ian? Doing good? The elephant in the room.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
And I know I saw some of your comments on
NFL Network about it, but obviously here in this market
has been a big, big thing. So how do you
wrap your head around the Sador Sanders saga?
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Well, you know, I've obviously thought a lot about it.
I thought a lot about everyone's reaction to it, and
to me, it blows down to this. There was only
two real teams that needed quote unquote needed a starting quarterback.
Other than obviously the Tennessee Titans who took Camboord number one,
there was the Near Giants, who did not deem any
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quarterback worthy of being the number three old All pick,
and they traded up for Jackson Dart. They chose Jackson
Dart over Shadoor Sanders. That's okay, not a crime, it's
what they think. The other one is the Pittsburgh's doers
and obviously decide not to do it, in part because
they have Aaron Rodgers likely coming, as Art Runny has said.
So that means that there were basically say one or
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two quarterback spots whoever you want to calculate it, and
they picked other people. So it's like, okay, well, then
if he's not a starter, you're not gonna take him
in the second round. Because teams almost never do that.
I mean, there's been like five second round quarterbacks in
like twenty years or something crazy like that, Andy Dalton, Kaepernick,
there's a couple of them, right. Saints took one this year,
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Tyler Shook. It's rare though, because usually it's like either
their starters or not. And the league, it seems, based
on the availability, decided that Shador Sanders was not a starter.
And if that's the case, you're not gonna take him
in the second round. You're not gonn take him the
third round, you're going to take him later, and he
went really late, but his teams didn't feel like they
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needed to race up to take him because they considered
him to be a backup coming into the league. And
then I think the other part of it is when
you have a backup quarterback and you guys know this
very well, let's say the Tim Tebow effect is in play,
because that means your backup quarterback is going to get
more attention by a lot in your starter and that
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is not something that many teams want. I think that
helped cause this fall as well. So it was a
lot of factors, it was complicated, and it was definitely
the story of the weekend.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
How do you see it playing out though, because in
the third round, the Browns took Dylan Gabriel out of Oregon, Right,
So how does that play out for this whole entire
situation now with Shadora and two quarterbacks coming in for
the Cleveland Browns this year, you.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Know, there were a couple of teams, more than a
couple of teams that like Dylan Gabriel as a sort
of prototype backup quarterback. Right, run around a little bit
create with his legs, high energy, highly productive, not as
tall as you like, so you know, maybe there's deficiencies
there or whatever you would like to say. But someone
who could if the starter gets injured, come into a game,
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bring energy and score some points and maybe for a
span of a couple of games, he could play well
enough to win some games. That is a prototype backup.
And I think the Browns were among teams that like
doing Gabriel like that. Sador standers is a little different
because you know, there are teams that do think he's
a potential future franchise starting quarterback. And I don't you know.
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My guess would be, we'll see. My guess would be
Gabriel would probably have you know, Gabriel would probably have
sort of the leg up as the backup. But Chador
is a lottery ticket. If he is a franchise quarterback
like some people think, then it changes the entire Browns franchise.
It means the free first round pick they got into
five to two trade can be used on any thing
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they want, and it means they're good for fifteen years.
If he's not good enough to be the franchise starter,
then you wasted a fifth round pick, which teams do
all the time anyway, whether they want to or not.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Ian Rapport joining us here.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
I wanted to go to the Broncos for a second
and get your thoughts on their selection of Jade Barn
in the first round. I think a lot of us
expected them to go offense. They're at pick twenty, they
go defense, and they go cornerback. What's been sort of
the reaction to that.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
So there's plenty of things that I got wrong in
the pre draft process. I thought this was a pretty
good possibility. I mean, there were a couple of players
they liked. I mean, look, the Broncos were trying work
among the teams, trying to trade up, and I don't
know who they were targeting, but I do know when
Koston Leblin went to the Bears, some of those calls stopped.
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So I kind of wondered, like, was that the guy?
And maybe we'll never know, but I know they wanted
a receiving threat. I thought it was a receiver, but
obviously it wasn't. They would have taken Matthew Golden right,
So I wondered if Colston lovem was the guy that
they wanted. And there were a couple of teams and
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were hoping he would flyve into to the teams. And
I wondered if that was the guy in the Broncos.
I knew they weren't going to trade it for a
running back, that I wondered if that was the guy
they were talking about. Johnny barn makes a lot of sense.
There's a lot of familiarity Van Joseph's first cousin coach
dem Texas. Among his traits, he is unbelievably smart, Like
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people talked about him like the absolute best football mind
among defensive players they spoke with. So if you know
Sean Payton as you guys do, one of the things
he values is know what's going on all the time,
what you do and everything around you, and you know,
I think physically he's going to be good. Most people
viewed him as a flat only but super smart and
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kind of a new nerve center for that defense.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
We're talking to Ian Rapaport, our NFL insider. Of course
you see him all the time on NFL Network. My
final thought, now that the draft is over, some of
those free agents, some of those unsigned free agents may
be looking to sign with.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
With whatever team.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Anybody sort of jump out to you in terms of it,
and I'm thinking specifically about the running backs body and
anybody jump out that you think may be signed sooner
than later.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Yeah, I mean, you know JK. Dobbins is probably the
top one. Nick Chubb also available. You know. It's I
think people sort of imagine once the draft happens, there's
going to be like this mad scramble. I don't really
like that. It's more of like a drip drip, you know,
so like somebody could get signed today, but if you're
a team that you know is in play for a
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compensatory pick, you're probably gonna wait a couple of days.
You're gonna do like a thing where you tell the
player like, hey, like stick around because we may have
interest in you. And then you know, generally those players
end up signing but after the where it won't affect
the compic formula. So you know, I could see that
coming into play of the next week or so.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
And any team strike you like when you just look
back at this past weekend for you, like, what what
was what team had the best draft for you this
past year, this past.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Weekend, you know, it's obviously it's hard to know because
you don't know you know what anybody's going to become.
I liked what the Browns did because they don't have
a unless your Door Sanders becomes a franchise guy, they
don't have one for the future. So they and the
Rams both were like, all right, we like a lot
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of the players, we don't love them. Let's get a
first round pick for next year and maybe that helps
us get a franchise quarterback. So I liked I like
that philosophy. There were a couple teams that were really
super aggressive on elite talented players. Jaguars were one with
Travis Hunter, Falcons with James Pierre, traded all the way
up and you know, spent a future one to get him.
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If he is incredibly talented. You know, if that hits,
then no one's going to care that they didn't get
a one next year. So those, you know, the teams
that plan for the future and the teams that were
super aggressive. I liked why each of those teams did
it as far as it's like the player, like, it's
it's tough to know. You know, if if a team
a player is really good, then you know, usually that
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was a pretty good draft pick.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Ian always great.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
My friend a great job this weekend and your coverage
on NFL Network, and we will let check in with
you next week.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Thank you, look forward to it. Take care, guys, appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
All right, Yeah, we might as well talk a little
bit about shut standards because that was one of the
storylines of the weekend. It's it's kind of unavoidable at
this point, and I know everybody has had in a
take in opinion. I like Ian's take there, and I
think that once you are into that backup quarterback range, Dave,
that's that's.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
What you're weighing, right, all those things.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
You're weighing the exposure, you're weighing the interest that will bring.
And of course the Browns already took Dylan Gabriel earlier
in the draft.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
So so I'm anxious to hear your take on this.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Okay, I'll go after you because you I mean, I
always go either first or second. So you go, what
what do you think about what happened? Well, in this case,
what didn't happen on Thursday? Or let's see, it didn't
happen on Thursday, and it didn't happen on Fridays either.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah, wow, Okay, it.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Didn't happen till Saturday, Saturday afternoon, we were well into
the draft there in the fifth round, and that was
the storyline. Yeah, I mean, I think that it's kind
of a combination of things. You know, we'd heard early
in the process from coach Prime as well as from
Schdoor there were some teams that they just didn't really
want him to go to, and I think you start
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putting that out there, you're getting some stories sort of
after the fact about how he told I guess Albert
Breer told a story about how he was in one
interview where they were pointing out a lot of his
bad plays, and he basically went to them and said,
I don't think we're a good fit because they were
pointing out bad plays to him. And so again, I
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don't know how much of this is third hand, all
those kinds of things. I'm just saying, like, there's a
presentation of this whole thing. And once you get into
that range, you're a Day three pick. Teams don't view
you as a starting caliber quarterback. It is a bit
of the Tim Tebow effect. It's like, gosh, we're gonna
have to deal with press requests for a backup quarterback.
We're gonna have to deal with the fan base going like, hey,
when is this guy going to start?
Speaker 2 (32:30):
And then sort of the wait of all that.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
So I think that there's multiple tiers of why it
ended up happening. I am stunned it happen the fifth
I mean, I'm stunned it it went that long, because
I thought he would go in the first, if not
the second, early on. I'm stunned that we're sitting here
talking about as a fifth rounder.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Personally, I think, oh, yeah, a lot of that.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
I think that you know, at the end of the day,
the NFL stands for not for long, and there are
so many people that are part of every organization that
there are guys with jobs and their job is to
dig up dirt on a player. I'm not to say
that Shadora has a bunch of dirt or anything, but
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when you carry yourself a certain way, and I believe
the quarterback position is the most important position in all
of professional sports. That some teams were cool off of
them because of that, because of just the demeanor and
the sense of a little bit of a sense of entitlement.
When you look at the NFL and you have to
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be able to adapt and adjust and have thick skinned.
Coaches want to be able to chew you out and
rip you up and know that you're going to come
back the next day still hungry. I think there's a
lot of things that a lot of question marks when
you look at Shadora's character and just who he is
as a football player.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
But I am buying the whole.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
Not a lot of teams were looking for a quarterback,
And if you're not looking for a quarterback, why do
you go in this direction? Because I was here with
the tabomania, and I was here in that locker room
my rookie year, being like, what the hell is going
on right now? When you have a fan base that's
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putting up billboards for the backup quarterback and the backup
quarterback and the starting quarterback.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
They don't even talk.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
You can feel the friction in the locker room and
you can feel the division. So you know, I could
see a lot of teams saying, yep, not really going
in that direction, because I truly believe that there's a
lot more talented than what this draft status just happened.
And he's more talented than a fifth round pick. So
when you look at all of this, I think the
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only reason why it lasted this long. It's personality and
what comes with you know, him coming into your locker
room and him coming into the building and a little
bit of that, Hey, here's a little bit of humble pie, Dave.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Well, we got the top of our break coming. Yeah,
you know, a taste a little bit. I think this.
I think that I agree with both of you to
certain degrees. I think that.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
I think there's a lot that goes into drafting that
particular position. I think he has the ability to be
a good player in the league. But I think that
you know, if you, I mean, if you're selling your
home and you you think your home is worth three
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million dollars and it turns out that the highest offer
you get for your home is two million, well then.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
You're going to be red ass about that. And like,
my home is worth three million.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
But the actuality of it is your home is worth
whatever somebody is willing to offer you.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
And I think there were people that over stated as
fact how good Shadeur was.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
And again I said, I prefaced my remarks by saying,
I think he can be a good player in the league.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
I really do, you.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Know, But I was knocked back when I started hearing
he's going to be the first pick in the draft,
I was I mean, I was knocked back to the
point I'm thinking I got to go back and look
at more tape because I'm maybe I've really missed this.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
I mean, I must have missed this. I just never
felt that way about him.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
But I you know, in all honesty, I didn't think
he'd last to the fifth round either.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
I think what O said there's some truth to that.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
In terms of the league wanting to be able to control.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
The league is big on control.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
They want to control their locker room, they want to
control the message out of the locker room, of control
of the press that covers their respective teams.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
They do that everywhere, including right here in Denver.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
So most teams are reticent to take on like anything
that they may think is okay, Is this going to
cause anything like a circus atmosphere at any point of
my existence? Because if it is the only thing that
supersedes the circus atmosphere is if the talent of the
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player is so great that they're like, I don't like
everything around this, but damn, this is a generational talent,
and so we're going to do that, and I don't
think teams looked at Shador unfortunately. I don't think they
look at him that way. Again, I think he can
be I think he can be a good player in
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the league. He just got to go in and we'll
talk about it. On the other side, he got to
go in and earn the respect of that locker room
in Cleveland, and I think he can
Just busy weekends, fun times, all sorts of great stuff
in Denver sports that we get a chance to chat about, Dave,
my friend.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Good to see you, Good to see you guys.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Yeah, it's uh, we got the drafts, got the Nuggets
in dramatic fashion, tying things up in the series. Holy
cal Aaron Gordon. And then of course, yeah the ass
cab Lanscott. What a story that was scoring a route
on Saturday night. So all sorts of fun things to.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Get to Dave. How'd you? How was your weekend, my friend?
It was actually it was actually good. Nice. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
I went to had a player, Gunner Helm, taken in
the fourth round by the Titans, so his family had
a little get together and we got invited to that.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
So that was cool. That was good.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Yeah, man, it's uh, you know what, it's always it's
always fun to see uh, young guys able to realize
and then I might qualify this realized the first part
of their dream, right that. Okay, now the door has
opened and now I've walked into this big mansion called
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the NFL.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Now what do you do with it? At that point? Yeah?
How do you stay there? Right?
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Right?
Speaker 5 (01:14):
Such a cool moment, such a school weekend, right, I
mean this weekend for so many people are impacted by it,
whether it's the guys that are getting drafted, or the
parents that struggled, or the parents that did everything for
the kid to try to get him to this point,
the high school coaches that they realized, right, you know
(01:34):
one of I've never told you guys. It's like I
have a mentor in my life. And his name is
Chris Pete. He was my high school head football coach
when I got down to South Florida and after my
junior year, I was still kind of messing around and
skipping school and not really going every single day. And
he brings me into our gymnasium where the basketball court,
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and he brought me in the middle of the basketball court.
He said, hey, listen at the point of your life
where there are so many different things that could happen
for you. And he kind of stood right behind me
and pointed in the direction. He said, Hey, if you
go down this road, you're going to end up in jail.
And like, grab me and spun me a little bit,
and you go down this road, you might end up dead.
And gave me all these different scenarios and he finally
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got to that last one. He's like, well, you go
down this road, you get an opportunity to go to
college for free, You'll get opportunity to play in the NFL. Right,
So I just remember, like every single year this time
of year, I always remember that because I was in
a little knucklehead at that point still and still messing
around with no no, no, you know, a lot little
I'm a lot little over knuckle ahead now than I
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ever been in my life.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
But I mean, it's just good on him for doing it. Yeah,
good on him for doing that.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
I want to mention one other guy to Miles Purchase,
who actually played on Gunner's team. Uh, just great player,
finished Didowa State. He signed a free agent contract with
the LA Chargers. So I'll tell you what he's He'll
make it very, very tough for them to get rid
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of him.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
So I'm Gunner Helm for just a moment. And I
imagine that was a lot of fun for you. You've
spoken glowingly about him for a long time. I remember
when we played the audio of him out at the
combine talking about getting a chance to be coached by you.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
I knew it meant a lot to him. What was that?
Speaker 1 (03:21):
What does that seem like for you as a coach,
because you've seen a lot of players get the opportunity
to go in the NFL or signed college free agent
kind of deals, drafted to the fourth round. I mean,
certainly Broncos fans were disappointed because they wanted the Broncos
to draft him and just wasn't there at that time.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
What was that like when he got the call? And
did he ask you.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Any kind of advice in that moment about as a
former player or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
No, I mean I was just real proud of him, right,
I mean he I mean, this is a this is
a kid that was a wide receiver. And I talked
to I he probably would not have played as early
in his sophomore year, and I said, listen, I you know,
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I think you may be somebody that eventually plays with
your hand the dirt.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
And to his.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Credit, he said, hey, whatever I can do to get
on the field, right.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
My kids, But right I'm going in a different direction days.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Yeah, well that's right, and he he could have too.
So you know, you just you reflect on how unhappy
are for them and their families.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
And how hard they've worked.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
He's he's stuck it out of Texas when the first
couple of years didn't. It didn't look like it was
going to end too well for him. To his credit,
he went in and asked them, what do I need
to do? Where do I need to get better? How
can I get better? How can I get to the NFL?
And they were honest with him, and so here he is. Now,
you've got to take advantage of this opportunity in Miles
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is the same, I mean, same type of character kid.
He will he's smart, he's tough. You know, I'm I'm
gonna be surprised if he does not make that roster.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
That's how much I think of him.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
That's what I was just saying in my head, you know,
hearing the characteristic, hearing that he stuck through it at Texas,
especially in a world today where so many of these
guys they faced a little bit of adversity. Coach yelled
at me too hard, or I'm not playing as much
as I would like to, or not enough balls going
my way. It's easy nowadays he's jumping the portal to say,
all right, peace out, I'll go somewhere else. Yeah, But
to stay there and go through that adversity that's so
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cool and unique in itself. Where now, when you get
to this level, I was just saying that in my mind,
I bet this young man is going to find success
at this level. And I bet both of them will.
You know, I'm talking about Miles.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
I mean, I think Gunner absolutely, but Gunner will because
he's fourth round pick, you know you, I mean the
NFL will say no.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
But you know, oh and I both played in that thing.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
You're afforded a little more opportunity then maybe an undrafted
college free agent. Miles Purchase to me is Chris Harris.
That's that's who he is. So I and normally I
don't you know, gosh, I've coached thirty two years. Very
seldom do I talk about high school football or kids
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on the show because no other well now that the
Valor coach has his own show, but I used to say,
no other head coach, no other head coach has a show.
So I'm not going to, you know, take advantage of that.
But I feel strongly about those two kids. Hey, let
me ask both of you, and I think one will
have the answer and one will not do Either of
you know what a BBL is, Yes, I do.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
I know.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
I know.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
So I'm sitting today with a friend. Just a real
quick story.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
This is This is certainly off the topic of the NFL,
although although a lot of dudes in the NFL will
know what a BBL is.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
And I got to be honest about it. I didn't,
Oh that's my bb when I lost one hundred pounds.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Yes you did, Yes, you did, so Ryan, a bb
L is this is a real thing.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Brazilian butt lift. I just each gts so you already already, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I already.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
I'm taking aware of it. And the guys said, you
got to get out of the get out of the house.
You've been living under a rock. And I'm thinking, wait
a minute, bb L.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
So I guess it's a It's a something that's done
like quite a bit.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
Yeah, common thing. You see it a lot on social media,
depending on the type of people that you follow.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yes, your algorithm is interesting. Mine is not that I
just get under a rack.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
That's what I'd say, get under a squad. Right, you
can develop your own BBL. I haven't touched away since
I retired. That's why I lost my people. Those are
supposed to have. The bbls are not for dudes.
Speaker 6 (07:56):
Oh, of course all those NFL players got bb Come on.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
So, so for the doctors that are performing that type surgery,
do you think most of their clientele is male?
Speaker 2 (08:10):
No, I think it's female.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
I think males get it naturally and certain females go
and purchasing. If you play football, you're gonna grow a
little bit of a BBL.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
No, that's true, that's true. Absolutely. I had queens and
it caught me off guard. I'm like, huh, okay, man,
look at look at the ass, look at that.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
What was I saying about that? Who knows if you're
talking about the BBL?
Speaker 3 (08:37):
No, talking about no BBL. That had to be a
reference to a dog.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
I can't know.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
You just threw your cousin out of the bus for
something that is your algorithm.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
I gotta car myself. My wife might be listening. His
cousin's not married exactly, not trying to get in trouble, right.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
You just mentioned in conversations It's like, yeah, I'm sitting
there again with a friend of mine and somebody walks
through the door and he goes, oh, that's that's bb L.
I'm like, b BBL, Like you know, BBL is so
we had that conversation. Like, dude, I felt a little
bit unqualified because I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Now I know. Well, I'm glad that I was able
to google that on that.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
I think Ryan, if guys get one, okay, because you've
lost so much weight a little bit, Yeah, you know
what I mean, we might we might think about that
for you.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
I guess I'll you know what I'll do. I'll do
a little bit of I'll ask the wife if that's
something that.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
She feels strongly that you should get. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Well, first i'll see if she knows what it is.
She probably does, she's she's pretty hip. Oh yeah, yeah,
she's like her algorithm probably does have that.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
They take your own fat, he said, Oh really, They
take your own fat, take it from other places in
the body, and put it in your butt.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
I think that'd be a fun endorsement.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
But can you.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Imagine the spot.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
This is Ryan Harris for Persilian butt lifts. Let me
tell you about her. Yeah, but it's not just for women. No,
that's right. Take the after photos of you.
Speaker 6 (10:02):
I used to like wordspeedo before tell you my bblah only.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
All right, So we're excited to be here with you.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Dave let's let's dive right in, Man, what'd you think
of the draft class for the Broncos seven players? They
went a lot more developed middle on Day three, but
what did you think of the group as in general?
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Again, I think based on the track record, especially the
recent track record of George Peyton and since Sean has
been here the last couple of years, this club has
done a pretty good job in the draft, and so
I think if you had that mindset going in, you're
more likely to say, okay. I mean they feel pretty
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strongly about that. I think the first pick is going
to be a great player. I think most teams had
him in the top ten or twelve, top ten, eleven, twelve.
I think the Broncos had him in the top ten,
and he's available at twenty. So you, I mean, if
you if you're true to your board, and if that's
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the case, which I believe it is, then that's that's
an easy pick, right. And I also think when genty
went to the Raiders, I think a lot of teams
had the rest of the running backs, maybe five or
six of all those running backs sort of lumped in together.
One of them did something better, the other one did
something better.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
But they're all you know, they're all good players.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
And I think the Broncos said, you know, we can
get we can get Barn at twenty and still get
a good running back in the second round, which I
think if you if you go back and look at
our J's film, I mean, he's got some he's got
some exciting moments on film. That juice he's got. He
could run four to four guy. So and I like that,
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you know, from.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
What I know. And went back and looked a little
bit at the receiver.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Out of Illinois. I'll tell you what he is after
the catch. So I'm thinking about this for for a receiver.
He's a no nonsense receiver after the catch, and like,
what what does that mean? Like he squares north and south,
makes one move and is going. So he's he's tough,
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good blocker. You don't draft a guy that high though
to be only a good blocker. Seems like he's a
good ball catcher. And when you heard Sean compare him
to Marcus Colston, no, Michael Thomas, I mean that's that's
pretty high praise man for a guy that for two
or three year period was as productive for he get
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hurt as any receiver in the league.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
He was a tremendous interview too. He was so I
didn't hear that. Oh he was so fun.
Speaker 7 (12:48):
Here.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I'll just play a little bit of it here, just
a couple of cuts here. But this was he was
asked about blocking. You talked about it.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
He's a good blocker, right, And this is what he
told Nick Ferguson.
Speaker 7 (12:57):
My model was always, you know, no block, no rot.
But not only that, man, it's not taking no plays off.
I like to you know, I like to play bully ball,
you know, I like to I like to be on
a dB all game. Loan will never give him a break.
So really just you know, helping in that run game.
So it is what kind of player I am, what
kind of team and I am not only you don't
want to make big plays, but I want to help
my teammate make bit plays as well. And you know,
I love to put dvs in the dirt, especially when
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it's blocking.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
There you go, there you go.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
And he was great, And honestly, there's a lot I mean,
you obviously get into the rest of the class as well.
But that was that was the big surprise. Pat Bryant
was the big surprise. Though that a lot of people thought,
consensus wise he was going to go much later. But
if you hear Sean Payton talking about him, you hear
what Dave says about him. Yea, at that point, you're
taking a player that you believe in and that you
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see a path forward in his future.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
I think the Broncos and for George Payton this year
they had the luxury This is now a luxury draft
class right where we haven't had that in the past.
In the past it was you know, how do we
fix this team up to get to the postseason. I
think this organization, this coaching staff feel really good about
where they are as a football team now and saying, hey,
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how can we get better on special teams? How can
we get better around bow nigs? And you know, how
can we get guys day one that might not play
for us on offense, right, like a guy like Pat
brid might not play a ton of staffs offensively because
of a stack wide receiver room. But sure as heck
you're going to be playing some special teams. You're going
to be on the Big four. So for me, this
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class was all about This draft This past weekend was
all about best player available. Staying true to your board
with a heavy ends on emphasis on how do we
get better on special teams? And I definitely think that
they got better as a football team. But I'll tell
you the guy that I'm most excited about is the
kelip kid from Utah, you know. And the reason why
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I'm the most excited about this guy is I look
at him like as a Jimmy Graham type of guy. Right,
he played basketball, Right, he's getting drafted out of Utah,
but he went to BYU, was playing some bast fsketball.
He's six seven, he's at the tight end position. And
I've already watched what Sean Payton did with the guy
that I had to recruit to come play football at
the University of Miami and Jimmy Graham. So I look
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at Caleb as, Yeah, he might not be a three
down tight end, but he's certainly going to get some Hey,
let's go twelve personnel and let's go put those two
tight ends out here, and how do we now manipulate
a defense and give both some big targets where guys
could go up and get it.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Yeah, Cale Lohner he had four catches for four touchdowns
on fifty seven snaps average, frea good average. And I
asked him if he was the most efficient player in
the history of college football, and I guess I think
Mike Rabel was a big I think Rabel had like
ten catches or twelve twelve was a twelve?
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, someone like Rabel had twelve catches and twelve test touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
So, but still, I mean, that's that's pretty impressive because
his only year, this last year is the only year
he played football. He had not played football for Utah.
I played basketball the entire time. But again, you heard
Sean's comments after the drafts and he brought up Jimmy Graham.
He d all the success they've had a developing basketball
players in his high ends.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
It's yeah, I think that I'm anxious to see him too.
I'll be honest about I wasn't familiar with him when
his name got called. I'm like, huh. But then going
back and looking a little bit, as O said touchdown
versus EU.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Like he did they like they being the league.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
I think when you talk about inside people, if you've
been a basketball player, a college basketball player, there's just
something about your your ability to block out, your ability
to go up and get a rebound.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
You're used to having not this kind of contact, but
some contact with when you catch the ball.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
You're used to handling the ball a lot, so a
lot of times those guys in terms of their hand
dexterity and their hand eye coordination, it's really good from
a basketball player that is also capable of playing football.
Speaker 5 (16:59):
I get you want more. They don't get tired. Like
I think about it. I mean playing the game of basketball.
This guy's coming from four years playing basketball, now all
of a sudden, you got to play football.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Football.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
You had to love. I remember Jimmy coming into the like, man,
we're not a go route. I run go routes all day.
This is a joke. We get to huddle after every
single play and I'm sitting there like, stop talking, please
stop talking. But I think you know, you look at
these guys that the Broncos win and got, and it's
about putting teams in conflict. You know, we could line
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these guys up in multiple positions and really get defensive
coordinators or even offensive coordinators, really make them have to
take a second look at the personnel grouping that you
have out there on the field and know where where's
barn going to be at right? Where was he at?
Is he in the box? Are they in dying right now?
Or are they playing nickel? He could be the nickel
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the nickel guy, or he could be the corner or
in certain situations. You know, we saw it last year
and I believe it was. I believe it was the
La Vegas game where PS two obviously plays cornerback, one
of the best cornerbacks to ever do it, and we
saw what he did last year in the NFL. But
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then him and Adams on a snap at the end
of the snap, they end up playing cover two, but
Pat became the deep safety and Adams came down and
end up playing the cornerback position. And I just think
that when you're playing with guys like Patrick Mahomes and
Justin Herbert, you have to have that ability where, hey,
you got to take a second look and these guys
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could cover some ground. So I like where the Broncos
are heading. I like that they have the luxury where
they could start thinking about special teams because they haven't
had that luxury for a very long time. You got
to win football games to now turn it into a
destination place. And it's now another notch in the right direction.
But for the Broncos, I feel really really good about
this time of year. It's like this is everybody. It's
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ninety percent the team is here, right, and we have
all the ingredients. Now the appetizer might change, but the
main course is not going to change. And they have
the main course now, so I'm excited for them to
get after it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
I mean that's a really good point.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I mean we said this on Saturday during our eight
hours of coverage on air. We said that this this
felt like a draft where every department kind of had
a bit of a fingerprint on it. Right, all three
phases had a fingerprint on it. Especially in day three
when you're at you're drafting Hugh Robinson out of Alabama,
who's a developmental edge, but Nick Saban said he's his
favorite special teams player he's ever coached.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
That's Nick Saban saying that, right, I mean that matters.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Then you draft a punter, right, an Aussie out of Florida,
and I mean you need a punter.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
It's good to have a cost control punter if you
don't have to go out.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
I mean you brought in Hake, but again little competition
there this I would assume at this point he's gonna
end up winning. And then yeah, and then you go
developmental tight end at that point. Who again, you'll see
where that ends up going. You take those shots later,
as you put it, because you're in a luxury position.
We went into the draft, David, we said, running back
to probably the biggest hole. And outside of that, everything
else you're you're you're adding depth, and you're adding guys
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that maybe upgrade you in a few positions.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Yeah, and they, I mean, they obviously addressed them running
back situation. I still think there may be another signing
running back signing coming here with a veteran free agent.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
And I was a little bit shocked.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Of course, that would be an oxymoron, wouldn't It. Can't
be a little bit and then be shocked, can't you.
So I was a little surprised that they waited as
long as they did on the tight ends.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Just a little. So what if the board didn't quite fall?
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Yeah, maybe I mean that that that I mean, there
could be three or four legit reasons and then they
may have been ready to raft somebody and somebody else
took them, and so you never really know. But like, oh,
I think this, Uh, I think they've earned they being
George Payton along with Sean the last two years. But
George before Sean, I think he's earned the right to
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sort of evaluate a draft after we see it a
little bit. I trust that guy in terms of his
football acumen and his staff and some of the some
of the talents that they've identified, because they've had a
track record recently, have been pretty damn good at it.
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Speaker 3 (21:33):
One other thing Ryan before we continue, Caine Medrano from
Publo East got drafted.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Uh? Who got him by the by the commanders?
Speaker 3 (21:42):
I think, like safety at UCLA great athlete, I mean
really could run.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
That dude was, I mean he was a sprinter. I
believe in high school. So yeah, I went to Washington.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Yeah, so we we wish him well be followed him absolutely.
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Speaker 2 (22:11):
Ian. Good, afternoon, sir, It's been a busy weekend.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
We really appreciate the time you're on with Dave Ryan
and Orlanda Franklin.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
How are you no problem?
Speaker 2 (22:18):
What's going on?
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Guys?
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Are you hey?
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Ian? Doing good? The elephant in the room.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
And I know I saw some of your comments on
NFL Network about it, but obviously here in this market
has been a big, big thing. So how do you
wrap your head around the Sador Sanders saga?
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Well, you know, I've obviously thought a lot about it.
I thought a lot about everyone's reaction to it, and
to me, it blows down to this. There was only
two real teams that needed quote unquote needed a starting quarterback.
Other than obviously the Tennessee Titans who took Camboord number one,
there was the Near Giants, who did not deem any
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quarterback worthy of being the number three old All pick,
and they traded up for Jackson Dart. They chose Jackson
Dart over Shadoor Sanders. That's okay, not a crime, it's
what they think. The other one is the Pittsburgh's doers
and obviously decide not to do it, in part because
they have Aaron Rodgers likely coming, as Art Runny has said.
So that means that there were basically say one or
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two quarterback spots whoever you want to calculate it, and
they picked other people. So it's like, okay, well, then
if he's not a starter, you're not gonna take him
in the second round. Because teams almost never do that.
I mean, there's been like five second round quarterbacks in
like twenty years or something crazy like that, Andy Dalton, Kaepernick,
there's a couple of them, right. Saints took one this year,
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Tyler Shook. It's rare though, because usually it's like either
their starters or not. And the league, it seems, based
on the availability, decided that Shador Sanders was not a starter.
And if that's the case, you're not gonna take him
in the second round. You're not gonn take him the
third round, you're going to take him later, and he
went really late, but his teams didn't feel like they
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needed to race up to take him because they considered
him to be a backup coming into the league. And
then I think the other part of it is when
you have a backup quarterback and you guys know this
very well, let's say the Tim Tebow effect is in play,
because that means your backup quarterback is going to get
more attention by a lot in your starter and that
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is not something that many teams want. I think that
helped cause this fall as well. So it was a
lot of factors, it was complicated, and it was definitely
the story of the weekend.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
How do you see it playing out though, because in
the third round, the Browns took Dylan Gabriel out of Oregon, Right,
So how does that play out for this whole entire
situation now with Shadora and two quarterbacks coming in for
the Cleveland Browns this year, you.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Know, there were a couple of teams, more than a
couple of teams that like Dylan Gabriel as a sort
of prototype backup quarterback. Right, run around a little bit
create with his legs, high energy, highly productive, not as
tall as you like, so you know, maybe there's deficiencies
there or whatever you would like to say. But someone
who could if the starter gets injured, come into a game,
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bring energy and score some points and maybe for a
span of a couple of games, he could play well
enough to win some games. That is a prototype backup.
And I think the Browns were among teams that like
doing Gabriel like that. Sador standers is a little different
because you know, there are teams that do think he's
a potential future franchise starting quarterback. And I don't you know.
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My guess would be, we'll see. My guess would be
Gabriel would probably have you know, Gabriel would probably have
sort of the leg up as the backup. But Chador
is a lottery ticket. If he is a franchise quarterback
like some people think, then it changes the entire Browns franchise.
It means the free first round pick they got into
five to two trade can be used on any thing
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they want, and it means they're good for fifteen years.
If he's not good enough to be the franchise starter,
then you wasted a fifth round pick, which teams do
all the time anyway, whether they want to or not.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Ian Rapport joining us here.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
I wanted to go to the Broncos for a second
and get your thoughts on their selection of Jade Barn
in the first round. I think a lot of us
expected them to go offense. They're at pick twenty, they
go defense, and they go cornerback. What's been sort of
the reaction to that.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
So there's plenty of things that I got wrong in
the pre draft process. I thought this was a pretty
good possibility. I mean, there were a couple of players
they liked. I mean, look, the Broncos were trying work
among the teams, trying to trade up, and I don't
know who they were targeting, but I do know when
Koston Leblin went to the Bears, some of those calls stopped.
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So I kind of wondered, like, was that the guy?
And maybe we'll never know, but I know they wanted
a receiving threat. I thought it was a receiver, but
obviously it wasn't. They would have taken Matthew Golden right,
So I wondered if Colston lovem was the guy that
they wanted. And there were a couple of teams and
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were hoping he would flyve into to the teams. And
I wondered if that was the guy in the Broncos.
I knew they weren't going to trade it for a
running back, that I wondered if that was the guy
they were talking about. Johnny barn makes a lot of sense.
There's a lot of familiarity Van Joseph's first cousin coach
dem Texas. Among his traits, he is unbelievably smart, Like
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people talked about him like the absolute best football mind
among defensive players they spoke with. So if you know
Sean Payton as you guys do, one of the things
he values is know what's going on all the time,
what you do and everything around you, and you know,
I think physically he's going to be good. Most people
viewed him as a flat only but super smart and
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kind of a new nerve center for that defense.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
We're talking to Ian Rapaport, our NFL insider. Of course
you see him all the time on NFL Network. My
final thought, now that the draft is over, some of
those free agents, some of those unsigned free agents may
be looking to sign with.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
With whatever team.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Anybody sort of jump out to you in terms of it,
and I'm thinking specifically about the running backs body and
anybody jump out that you think may be signed sooner
than later.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Yeah, I mean, you know JK. Dobbins is probably the
top one. Nick Chubb also available. You know. It's I
think people sort of imagine once the draft happens, there's
going to be like this mad scramble. I don't really
like that. It's more of like a drip drip, you know,
so like somebody could get signed today, but if you're
a team that you know is in play for a
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compensatory pick, you're probably gonna wait a couple of days.
You're gonna do like a thing where you tell the
player like, hey, like stick around because we may have
interest in you. And then you know, generally those players
end up signing but after the where it won't affect
the compic formula. So you know, I could see that
coming into play of the next week or so.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
And any team strike you like when you just look
back at this past weekend for you, like, what what
was what team had the best draft for you this
past year, this past.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Weekend, you know, it's obviously it's hard to know because
you don't know you know what anybody's going to become.
I liked what the Browns did because they don't have
a unless your Door Sanders becomes a franchise guy, they
don't have one for the future. So they and the
Rams both were like, all right, we like a lot
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of the players, we don't love them. Let's get a
first round pick for next year and maybe that helps
us get a franchise quarterback. So I liked I like
that philosophy. There were a couple teams that were really
super aggressive on elite talented players. Jaguars were one with
Travis Hunter, Falcons with James Pierre, traded all the way
up and you know, spent a future one to get him.
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If he is incredibly talented. You know, if that hits,
then no one's going to care that they didn't get
a one next year. So those, you know, the teams
that plan for the future and the teams that were
super aggressive. I liked why each of those teams did
it as far as it's like the player, like, it's
it's tough to know. You know, if if a team
a player is really good, then you know, usually that
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was a pretty good draft pick.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Ian always great.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
My friend a great job this weekend and your coverage
on NFL Network, and we will let check in with
you next week.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Thank you, look forward to it. Take care, guys, appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
All right, Yeah, we might as well talk a little
bit about shut standards because that was one of the
storylines of the weekend. It's it's kind of unavoidable at
this point, and I know everybody has had in a
take in opinion. I like Ian's take there, and I
think that once you are into that backup quarterback range, Dave,
that's that's.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
What you're weighing, right, all those things.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
You're weighing the exposure, you're weighing the interest that will bring.
And of course the Browns already took Dylan Gabriel earlier
in the draft.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
So so I'm anxious to hear your take on this.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Okay, I'll go after you because you I mean, I
always go either first or second. So you go, what
what do you think about what happened? Well, in this case,
what didn't happen on Thursday? Or let's see, it didn't
happen on Thursday, and it didn't happen on Fridays either.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah, wow, Okay, it.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Didn't happen till Saturday, Saturday afternoon, we were well into
the draft there in the fifth round, and that was
the storyline. Yeah, I mean, I think that it's kind
of a combination of things. You know, we'd heard early
in the process from coach Prime as well as from
Schdoor there were some teams that they just didn't really
want him to go to, and I think you start
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putting that out there, you're getting some stories sort of
after the fact about how he told I guess Albert
Breer told a story about how he was in one
interview where they were pointing out a lot of his
bad plays, and he basically went to them and said,
I don't think we're a good fit because they were
pointing out bad plays to him. And so again, I
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don't know how much of this is third hand, all
those kinds of things. I'm just saying, like, there's a
presentation of this whole thing. And once you get into
that range, you're a Day three pick. Teams don't view
you as a starting caliber quarterback. It is a bit
of the Tim Tebow effect. It's like, gosh, we're gonna
have to deal with press requests for a backup quarterback.
We're gonna have to deal with the fan base going like, hey,
when is this guy going to start?
Speaker 2 (32:30):
And then sort of the wait of all that.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
So I think that there's multiple tiers of why it
ended up happening. I am stunned it happen the fifth
I mean, I'm stunned it it went that long, because
I thought he would go in the first, if not
the second, early on. I'm stunned that we're sitting here
talking about as a fifth rounder.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Personally, I think, oh, yeah, a lot of that.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
I think that you know, at the end of the day,
the NFL stands for not for long, and there are
so many people that are part of every organization that
there are guys with jobs and their job is to
dig up dirt on a player. I'm not to say
that Shadora has a bunch of dirt or anything, but
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when you carry yourself a certain way, and I believe
the quarterback position is the most important position in all
of professional sports. That some teams were cool off of
them because of that, because of just the demeanor and
the sense of a little bit of a sense of entitlement.
When you look at the NFL and you have to
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be able to adapt and adjust and have thick skinned.
Coaches want to be able to chew you out and
rip you up and know that you're going to come
back the next day still hungry. I think there's a
lot of things that a lot of question marks when
you look at Shadora's character and just who he is
as a football player.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
But I am buying the whole.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
Not a lot of teams were looking for a quarterback,
And if you're not looking for a quarterback, why do
you go in this direction? Because I was here with
the tabomania, and I was here in that locker room
my rookie year, being like, what the hell is going
on right now? When you have a fan base that's
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putting up billboards for the backup quarterback and the backup
quarterback and the starting quarterback.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
They don't even talk.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
You can feel the friction in the locker room and
you can feel the division. So you know, I could
see a lot of teams saying, yep, not really going
in that direction, because I truly believe that there's a
lot more talented than what this draft status just happened.
And he's more talented than a fifth round pick. So
when you look at all of this, I think the
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only reason why it lasted this long. It's personality and
what comes with you know, him coming into your locker
room and him coming into the building and a little
bit of that, Hey, here's a little bit of humble pie, Dave.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Well, we got the top of our break coming. Yeah,
you know, a taste a little bit. I think this.
I think that I agree with both of you to
certain degrees. I think that.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
I think there's a lot that goes into drafting that
particular position. I think he has the ability to be
a good player in the league. But I think that
you know, if you, I mean, if you're selling your
home and you you think your home is worth three
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million dollars and it turns out that the highest offer
you get for your home is two million, well then.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
You're going to be red ass about that. And like,
my home is worth three million.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
But the actuality of it is your home is worth
whatever somebody is willing to offer you.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
And I think there were people that over stated as
fact how good Shadeur was.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
And again I said, I prefaced my remarks by saying,
I think he can be a good player in the league.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
I really do, you.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Know, But I was knocked back when I started hearing
he's going to be the first pick in the draft,
I was I mean, I was knocked back to the
point I'm thinking I got to go back and look
at more tape because I'm maybe I've really missed this.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
I mean, I must have missed this. I just never
felt that way about him.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
But I you know, in all honesty, I didn't think
he'd last to the fifth round either.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
I think what O said there's some truth to that.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
In terms of the league wanting to be able to control.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
The league is big on control.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
They want to control their locker room, they want to
control the message out of the locker room, of control
of the press that covers their respective teams.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
They do that everywhere, including right here in Denver.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
So most teams are reticent to take on like anything
that they may think is okay, Is this going to
cause anything like a circus atmosphere at any point of
my existence? Because if it is the only thing that
supersedes the circus atmosphere is if the talent of the
(37:30):
player is so great that they're like, I don't like
everything around this, but damn, this is a generational talent,
and so we're going to do that, and I don't
think teams looked at Shador unfortunately. I don't think they
look at him that way. Again, I think he can
be I think he can be a good player in
(37:51):
the league. He just got to go in and we'll
talk about it. On the other side, he got to
go in and earn the respect of that locker room
in Cleveland, and I think he can
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