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Speaker 1 (00:00):
A reminder, by the way, tomorrow, we're very excited to
be back at Sam's Number three Diner and Bar and Glendale,
So join me, Dave Logan, Nick Ferguson. We're gonna be
out there. The Nuggets are playing tomorrow night in Game five.
We'll talk about the Nuggets here in just a little bit.
But that's Sam's Number three Diner and Bar in Glendale
on South Terry Streets where you can catch all the
Nuggets and Avs playoff games. Will be there tomorrow. I'll
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start at three o'clock. So, but we got a lot
of reaction, as you imagine Dave on the Shore Sanders
conversation here on our can't we Comma Spirit health text
line five six six nine zero. I'm not gonna say
anybody's got it wrong, because they do. Think there's a
lot of different variations on this conversation. But I don't
think this is this one right here. The story is
less about Shador in the league and more about how
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draft prognosticators could be so wrong.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
You know, I don't know about that. I say that
there were there are.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Varying levels of what we see in a player in
his production in college, and maybe there was something to
behind the scenes, teams having a different feel about them
all together for the entire time. Again, I think I
subscribed to the point that you guys just made a
moment ago saying, once you have your quarterback, or even
your backup quarterback, it's just gonna happen. We see this,
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We see this a lot where guys, Quinn, youbers went
at the very end of the draft because at that
point teams had already kind of locked up that position.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Hold on, could you not say, Quinn, yours could be
the first pick in the draft?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I know I did not. I did not, I said
a year ago.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
If I really chose to do so, if you chose
to do so, I would. I could go back and
find exactly that.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Go for it, go find that out.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I don't have the time nor the inclination.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Dave Logan, would you looking for it somebody around here?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
It would be Okay. I do think the draft prognosticators
got it wrong. Okay, I do. I mean, I don't
know if I don't know if if that part of
the story supersedes I mean, it's like I said, I mean,
when when all that talk about Shadur being the first
pick in the draft. I question myself, I'm like, well, damn,
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I mean, because normally when that starts getting out there,
there's a reason for it. And I thought, heck, I
thought he was a really good player. I didn't think
he was the first pick in the draft. I also
think there's what what Orlando said is absolutely true. You know,
everybody making a deal about Dylan Gabriel being drafted in
the third round. Dylan Gabriel, for the most part, is
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thought of as a backup quarterback, a guy that maybe
maybe comes in gives your team a lift. But teams
could live with Dylan Gabriel being their backup quarterback. There
wouldn't be there wouldn't be near the circus if Dylan
Gabriel is the backup quarterback of the Browns, depending on
who's the starter. But but I think there were there
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were there were questions from teams in terms of chiudor
Sanders and how that entire situation would be handled. I
don't think I think coach Prime has done a great
job in being present for his sons, in advocating for
his sons. And I've said this a number of times,
I'm not so sure in this case that he helped Shouldure,
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and I think some of sort of how everything played
out may in fact have hurt Schaudure in terms of
how the NFL viewed him.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Yeah, expectations versus reality, right, Shador and the Sanders family
and everybody just around him. The expectation is that he's
going to be this high draft pick. But then when
you look at it, okay, you fifth round. But I
don't think that this is at the end of the day,
you being drafted in the first round or the second round.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
What does that change?
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Like, so Noor was the highest paid nil guy in
college football that this year, Like, you're okay financially, It's
not like you have this family that's waiting on you
to take care of you. Like now, I think if anything,
this helps him, like kick everything else out of your mind, right, Like,
let's get down to playing football. This is what the
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league said they thought of you. Thirty two teams passed
on you four times and said, hey, you're not good enough.
You're not that our guy. We don't want to deal
whatever the reason for it. Now it's humble yourself and
come in and make something of it.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Yeah, with Tom Brady had certainly created a chip on
his shoulder. I mean Tom Brady, the report has it
that he said to Robert Kraft in his rookie season,
you picking me is going to be the best choice
this franchise has ever made. Yeah, I'm like, wow, Okay.
Well turned out to be true. So I think players
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developed chips on their shoulders, so you okay, I'm great.
I'm great.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I think for Shador the mindset now is really what
I'm gonna be fascinated to watch, right, because you could
take this slight I guess to a certain degree being
drafted in the fifth round when you thought you were
gonna hire. Remember it in the early the draft process
when he was working out with cam Ward, He's like,
I'm not going later, like he thought even third overall
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was kind of a bit of a weird deal. And
then I remember him pushing back on the Steelers of
twenty one. He's like, that's not happening. I'm not going
that late. So he he had in his mind that
he was gonna go way earlier in the draft. Even
the President tweeted out the very next day saying he
was gonna he should have gone earlier in the draft, right,
So that was a bit of the expectation. So now
for me is about watching his mindset from here, go
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to work, keep your nose clean, just just do the
right things and figure a way out of this because
there are a lot of people. There aren't a lot
of people rooting for him like you, Dave, like me,
We're all rooting for him, but there are a lot
of detractors out there that are kind of watching his
next move.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
We always see quarterbacks fizzled out every single year. There's
guys that are drafted in this league and they think
that they could play big boy football and it's like, no, no,
get the heck out of here, right. I think this
is the best situation for a guy like that that
has had so much hype, that has had so much success.
You know, once you get to the National Football League
that you have three different speeds in the course of
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a season that's a lot faster than you've ever seen
in your life. I remember coming here and going against
Von Miller and then you got to go against Elvis Duomerville.
I thought I was going to be the first person
in the history of the NFL where the Broncos say, hey.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
We need our money back after two weeks.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
So for a guy like Shador, keep your head down
now and go to work, because obviously you are nowhere
near as good as what you see. And I don't
think that that's a bad thing, especially in a world
of sports that we're in now with nil We're going
to see a lot of guys that come in and
they are underdeveloped because they haven't been able to go
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through things and stick around. Like you're talking about the
kid that you coached at at Creek over there day,
Like you go to a school and you go through
some adversity. This might be the best thing a decade
for now.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
I certainly hope so. And again I think it'll be
interesting for us here locally to track that. All Right,
we'll come back, we'll continue the conversation about the NFL Draft.
We'll get in some Nuggets conversation as well as they
tie up their series. It's the only time in NBA
history that we've had a buzzer beating dunk Aaron Gordon
off the and I think it was technically officially an
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air ball there from Nikola Jokic at the buzzer. I
mean it was a tie game. If it doesn't go in,
you go to overtime. Who knows what happens there. But
ag making that.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
I mean that.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
After the debacle that was Friday night, Dave, that they
just got absolutely routed in that game.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
This was this was a great comeback.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yeah, they hung on right and hid a twenty point lead.
You thought, maybe this is I mean, this is good.
And then finally he's sort of putting their foot down
in this series, and all of a sudden, here come
the Clippers. And then then you're I mean, you're literally
holding on to what God gave you the last four
minutes of the game. But but but a way to
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end it? Now? You know, if you feel the Nuggets,
you got to make sure you it's three game series.
You got two of those three at home. I mean,
all you have to do is protect home court, right,
Clippers have won once here. But I I liked the
way the Nuggets played. No Russell Westbrook because of the
foot injury. Do you see how he walked off after
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the game. I watched him walk off, I'm thinking, how
is that dude gonna be ready to play in Game five? So,
I mean, I don't know, I don't know if he
is or didn't, but he didn't look like he was
going to be ready. But but great job of the
Nuggets and find a way to win.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
And now you got to you gotta take care of
home business tour. It all right, toward all beautiful thing. Hey,
where's the shot? Let me get that shot? Dot.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
I'm right there with Dave Man. It was a hold
on thing.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
I'm watching that one on Friday or the other night,
and I'm just shaking my head, to be honest with you,
twenty two and the fourth exactly, and you're just wondering, like,
how can't this team close away, close out a game
where there's been so much great individual efforts defensively. I
love the Ag getting fired up after Christian Brown and
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the Beard getting into it. I love the little scuffles.
You know, I jump up right at the TV. I'm
ready to go. You know I missed, I missed a
little back and forth.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
But how many fights you think James Harden has been
in his life in his lifetime lifetime? Probably two? Okay,
maybe two or three? Yeah, I was gonna say less
than a handful.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Yeah, I mean, but you know it's basketball. Everybody was
a tough guy, right. I mean, I don't even know
what Ag was gonna do in that situation, but it
looked good.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
I take ag Or James Harden.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
James hard and absolutely, but I'm taking give me any
person that plays football over any basketball player in a
art beat. But it was nice to see them be
able to tie this one back up, and yeah, can
you get it done at home? That's all that becomes
right for attack home court. But I will say this,
I would love to see kind of the same mentality
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that we saw because I don't think that the Clippers
will last. Like there were some points of that game
where I'm looking at Nuggets, I'm saying they are running
them right now, and I would like to see that
come out here in the altitude, and I think you'll
be able to kind of close out a game a
little bit better in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
If you're able to do.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
That, I'm with it, and to hang on if you will,
because again, if they lose that game, let's't even say
it just goes to overtime because it was tied at
that point. We would have talked about it today saying
you squandered a twenty two point lead in the fourth
quarter an opportunity to tie the series. This team is cooked,
absolutely cooked, right it It usually works in the narrow margins.
Rarely do you see the blowouts, I mean game in,
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game out, maybe once in a while. While you saw
the blowout Friday night, But the response to that was
so significant. I mean, you're you're in l A. You're
without Russell Westbrook. As soon as I saw that during
the drafts, It's like, oh man, this is this is bad.
I mean, that's your depth. That is your depth. It's
Russell Westbrook off the bench. And to survive all of
that to rally Michael Porter Junior playing out there. I
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have not seen anything so far about suspensions or fines
for the fight for the scuffle.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
No, nor do I think you will. Yeah, nor do
I think you should. Yeah? What really? I mean nothing? Really?
Who who would you suspend?
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Well, they have the rule and I got it. I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
I think one one or two players came off the
bench because they had the rule that if you come
off the bench to jump into it, you're immediately suspended
a game. So I don't I haven't seen that yet.
So maybe maybe there won't be. Maybe there won't be.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
But I didn't believe that anybody's kind of.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
We ran into it.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Yeah, but that's to protect the team. Like we said
to Fine, like what jumping into it is? I think
like jumping into it is like you're going if you're
a Nuggets player, you're going now to go push a
Clippers player. And I thought for the most part, both
teams were trying to help each other out, like hey.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Yeah, my guy, you like, I'd be very surprised if
there's anybody suspended from that. I now, in fairness, I didn't.
I didn't see anybody come off the bench. That is
a rule, but I'll be very I would be very
surprised because if you're going to suspend anybody of the
initial kind of foray into the whatever you call it,
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it would be James Harden. James Harden got up, And
I thought Christian Brown's reaction, however, exactly what like back
in the day, it'd be like, broa, right there, you
don't have I mean, seriously, you don't have a tough
bone in your bus, so stop with this big time
back up, back up for.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Me. Also, it was like a Christian Brown like you
look at the success that he's had in his career.
I'll just be like, man, I was just pointed to
my ring finger if I was in the James Harden right,
because James has been chasing a ring and you look
at a guy that's won at a high school level, one,
at the college level one, and at the highest level,
and I just would.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Have implied, if you really want to get down to it,
I mean really, okay, and his look was kind of
like like, okay, okay, thank you, James.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
It was outstanding. It was a meaning all day Saturday.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
It was a meeting.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
It was fantastic.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
We'll come back to a couple of other bigger topics
as well, but the Broncos conclude their draft on Saturday. Dave,
let me ask you, what was your I guess your
favorite pick of the Broncos draft, and then what pick
are you the most I don't know, curious about her?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
You wonder about how that is going to work out?
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Maybe in your what none? I don't have any that
I that I wonder about. I think my favorite pick
may have been the first pick and that and I'm
I'm biased. After just interviewing him and hearing him how
I handle questions. Again, I knew a little bit about
him because I had some familiarity with the University of
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Texas program but that that kid is made of the
right stuff. I mean, now, again, by all accounts, he's
also everything you look for on the field. It's one
thing to have high character, to be a leader, to
be humble, to be everything like that. And then, oh,
by the way, but you can't really play those guys,
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I mean that that doesn't work. But he's all of that.
And again, by all accounts, he's going to be a
hell of a player. So I think that would be
that would be my favorite, probably favorite choice. I think
I think the running back going back can look in
at Central Florida. You and I talked about this. He
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didn't do a lot against CEU, but he did a
lot against everybody else. And the thing that I that
that is most I mean, he's got good, good balance,
he's got he's got good instincts. Uh, you know the
gust malson offense that there's there's a lot of window
dressing going on, but they're pretty basic in their running game.
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But he's got breakaway speed. He's got more speed than
I think what the Broncos have been used to in
terms of if he gets out. There aren't a lot
of guys in the league in a early fast league
that are going to run him down.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
He was second in the NFL or in college football
in ten yard or more runs, only behind Ashton.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Jenny didn't know that, But that's not that's not surprising. Yes,
he I mean he's he looks really good. Now he's
going to have to acclimate to the NFL game and
there's bigger there's faster people and all that. But with
that kind of speed, I'm just anxious to see. Man,
if he breaks a tackle. Uh, you know, it's not
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not a seventeen yard run, it's a sixty seven yard run.
The possibility is there. I'm right there.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
So for me that that's my favorite pick is a
Harvey out of you see up and and you know
call it the offensive linment in me. Right, you want
a guy that's going to be able to run low
to the ground, you know, doesn't look too absorb contact,
can you accelerate through contact? And he has all of that. Now,
my big question mark on him is is past protection?
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Right?
Speaker 4 (16:42):
That is one you know under his understanding of it
as well. Now do I think that he is willing?
I think everybody is willing to a certain point, So
it's not if he's willing or not. It's the understanding
of it and how complex, you know, past protection can
become when you have a tight end staying in and
the offensive line is going a certain way, and hey,
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now you know quarterback wants to put you on a
free release instead of keeping you in the backfield. Does
he have all of that?
Speaker 3 (17:09):
So?
Speaker 4 (17:10):
I think Harvey's for year one. It's going to be
a first and second down situation, along with some special
teams mixed in. But when it's all said and done,
I really do believe he could become one of those
complete players under Sean Payton not footing this offense.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
It felt like in some of the draft recaps have
been reading through from some of the draft analysts that
people like the fit here.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
There were some other running backs on the board. It's
the same thing with the Pat Bryan pick.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
There are other wide receivers on the board at the
time that a lot of the draft analysts out there
liked a little bit better.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
But I think we kind of talked about this coming
into the draft.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Dave was just saying, like, you're going to get to
a point where there's guys that fit what you want
to do, that are personality as well.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Style fits and so for me.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
R J.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Harvey may not be the three down back that Caleb
Johnson is viewed as, but he fits with what they're
trying to do here with wanting a more explosive back,
wanting a back. He didn't get a lot of opportunities
to catch passes out of the backfield, but what he
did he was really good at it. So it feels
like that that's little of what they wanted in that role.
They weren't looking for a three down back because they're
going to go running back by committee anyways.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Yeah, I think the league is I mean the league
is more about running back by committee. There are a
handful of teams that have that hoss that is going
to get the lion's share of backs. But even with
teams like that, you have a second back that is,
when you call him a change of paceback, what have you,
he's going to get some carries. I would like to
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see the Broncos sort of pare down the running back
room a bit in terms of who's gonna be the guy.
Not the only guy, but who's going to be the
guy in games? Now. You think last year and I
believe they did that because they had to mix and
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match what they were looking for, what's the play call
and who does this better? And so you've got you know,
you've got a collection of backs. I believe the back
is going to be better and be able to really
be more productive if you have two of those guys
instead of like a committee. So most committees have more
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than two. You know. To me, when you say it's
running back by committee, I think it's true. But I
think it's also done a lot of times where they
just they like them, but they don't love any of them.
They all have ability to play in the league, but
this guy does that really well, but he can't do that.
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And this next one man will manage you good than that,
but he can't do that. And so that's that's to me.
I think you develop. I don't think you take a
kid in the second round and not expect him to
be a player early. There's no reason that that's the
one position. That and wide receiver, especially at the running
back position, right running back position, wide receiver, those two positions,
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those guys can come in and they can get playing
time quickly if they can assimilate into that offense NFL.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Right, it's not like you where your offensive line is
going to stay at least when you look at the
running back position and the wide receiver position, even tight end,
there's a lot of rotation and different personnel groupings that
you're calling it. I remember when I was with the Broncos, right,
you know, we all know what eleven personnel is, right,
one running back, one tight end, three wide receivers. Well,
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we had a big eleven and a small eleven personnel
with Virgil Green and Julius Thomas.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Right.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
So you look at Sean Payton and what he has
done historically, He's always had that those two running backs.
So obviously I believe R. J. Harvey is going to
be one of those guys. You know, Now, who's the
other one? Who is that that scalpel? Because I think
I think Harvey could be the hammer. I think he
could run in between the tackles and that breakaway speed.
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It's a little bit of both. But you are going
to need somebody else that you feel very comfortable with
with the screen game and along with pass protection, especially
for year one. So who can be kind of your little,
you know, scat back but also hold up and die
a slow debt and pass protection type of guy, and
that could be estimated for this football team. I thought
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he didn't get as much looks as I would have
liked him to have got last year. But they have
to find a way too condensed, and I think that's
what Dave's talking about, right and where it's now just
two guys and we know that those guys are going
to get ninety five percent of the carries, and those
are going to be the guys week in week out
unless injuries happen.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
I agree with you by the adrig Estimey like bringing
an RJ.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Harvey was really good news for audri Estimey, assuming they
don't bring in another running back, which Dave you said
at the start of the show. You could see them
still looking at that they are going to check out
or kick the tires on Chris Evans for Bengals running
back who's drafted in twenty twenty one, had some nice
moments as a receiver for the Bengals, but really hasn't
done a lot. Twenty twenty one was really his best
season in the league, his rookie year, and then kind
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of I think he's been dealing with injury since then.
But you mentioned JK. Dobbins we mentioned Nick Chubb. Those
are some guys out there. Here's shaz Edmands by the way,
another free agent running back. Talking about RJ. Harvey this
morning on Good Morning Football.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Maybe in a running back, I gotta stay loyal to
the running backs.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
I'm going RJ.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
Harvey running back UCF the Denver brock Is and I
absolutely love this guy.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
You talk about juice, You talking.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
About the ability to get skinny, get big out to
the outside Roco country. Let me tell you something right now,
get your kool aid ready, because this brother is bringing.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
The juice, real juice. RJ.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Harvey.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
I'm telling you, I'm telling you the boy. The boy
is special.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
He reminds me of someone I played with last year,
Bucky Irving. I don't really washing him had that same
type of impact. RJ.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Harvey. He can go, man, he can go well if
he's If he's like Ucky Irving, then the Broncos really
hitting the pick. If you go back and look at
this young guy to get his college right, but he
averaged for his not for this last season, for his
career at UCF, like six point four, six point five
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yards per carry. You don't get that average if you
have like a whole bunch of you say, well, if
he gets twelve yard carry and the next carry is three,
well then the average is seven and a half. I guarantee,
and I've been going back in chart of this, I
guarantee you he's got plenty of home run runs. When
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you average six and a half yards per carry, you've
got some forty to fifty sixty and longer runs in
there during your career, which is exactly what Chase Edmonds
was talking about.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Yeah, and then also you combine that just what he's
able to do out of the backfield, right, And that's
where I believe that Sean Payton's going to get extremely
creative with him five hundred and five yards, thirty nine
pass thirty nine passes over the last two year span, right,
So you know, you look at that and that's twelve
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point nine right in the passing game, and that's the
dimension that the Broncos have been missing. So you know,
I think Sean Payton and George Peyton stayed true to
that board and said, hey, you know what, not only
are we looking at best player available at this point
and our board, but how do we get better? And
the first two rounds they certainly got better offensively and defensively,
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and it allows them to really put defensive coordinators and
offensive coordinators in a buying And I think that that's
what it's all about now in today's NFL. Right, You're
not going to see a team line up and run
the ball fifty five times and only throw the ball
I think it was seven times and have two completions
that win football games.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
You've got to really be able to.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Make defensive coordinators time call timeouts and waste those things
early in the game. And the Broncos are going to
be able to do that this year.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
We're going to go to the wide receiver for a
second Pat Bryant. Like I said, that might be the
more controversial pick for the Broncos for a lot of fans,
And I think we get into this whole consensus discussion
of right consensus drafts, and then what people think when
you have a draft analyst out there saying this is
a fifth round pick, right, and then they Broncos take
him the third Naturally, people out there are like, Okay, well,
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who would I believe?
Speaker 2 (25:25):
But I believe the team and their assessment of the player.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Maybe they're reaching on him, or do I believe this
draft analyst that I really appreciate who says this guy
should not be going earlier than Day three. It's a
weird kind of deal. But if you'll watch him, he's
kind of a fun player. He set a score record
with ten touchdowns. He had three walk off scores for Illinois,
had some pretty inconsistent quarterback play with Altmeyer. I really
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wasn't having a great season. But otherwise I think he's
a really exciting player. He fits a mold of what
Sean Payton tends to like out of that position. As
you talked about the raving and the show Dave with
Michael Thomas. But I don't know why, in your opinion,
should Broncos fans be bought into that.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Knowing that some people out there feel that this is a.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Reach, Well, they don't really have to be to tell
you the truth, because you don't know. The draft is
highly subjective and you have a variety of opinions. I mean,
just look at Shader Sanders. So you and I talked
about this so many times. Thirty two NFL teams. They
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all employ a number of scouts, They have pro personnel people,
they have college personal people. They look at the same
tape and they look at it until they damn near
go blind. And you're going to have a variety of
opinions from different people, I guess, because it's human nature
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what somebody and somebody may have a predisposition. Like you know,
if I were an NFL scout, would I look at
wide receivers and like bigger, stronger wide receivers that had
the requisite speed but caught everything? Or would I look
at guys that were the fastest receivers in the league,
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But maybe we're not as consistent a ball catcher. I
think you can draw your own conclusion on that rhetorical question.
So I just think that's I mean, you've got so
many people that have a diverse background in football, but
they have all been shaped. They all have predispositions. They
can say they don't, but I believe they do. And
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I believe it. Whether you say clouds their judgment, but
it plays a part in how they look at the
very same film that somebody else is looking at and
coming away with a much different conclusion. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
And I also think, like when you hear the fifth round,
this is a fifth round page, this a fifth round pick.
A lot of people even got caught up with the
forty time at the combine only running that four six. Right,
when you look at the wide receiver position, you don't
want your wide receiver running a four six unless he's
unless he's you know, maybe of your guys's complexion.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Guys, what you mean you mean white boys can't run?
What you meant Ryan? When you say that that's what
you better? I ran better than four six in my combine.
What did you say? Thank you? I said I ran
better than four six, and I believe that you did.
Look over there. But I also like his ability. I
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don't think Ryan's coming anywhere near at for six, well
not forty. I mean, yeah, yeah, I think you can
run that.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
You look at bat and you look at him on film,
and I thought that his film was deserving a better
grade like than what these people were. Well I did
to we're talking about, and what I get excited about
is when what he brings to run blocking and his
ability to go in there and not being afraid of
you know, push cracking on a safety but also you know,
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stealing off the hedge and going to go dig out
a linebacker in a tight formation type of situation. So
they talk about his ability to catch it on the
slant and not having fear, and I think that's where
he's going to excel for this Broncos team.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
I would add something that Orlando said, I would bet
so thirty two teams, probably on the active roster, have
an average of what five receivers, yeah, suit five per game,
five or six, so let's say five. Let's say so,
let's say there's one hundred and sixty active wide receivers
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in the NFL on every weekend, one hundred and sixty.
I would bet. I would bet that there are sixty
percent or a little higher of those one hundred and
sixty wide receivers that on any given weekend are for
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six issue guys, not for seven to five guys, for
six ish guys. More than half of the active wide
receivers run four five, seven to four six three. But
what happens is absolutely, I mean absolutely, what happens is
you get guys like Xavier Worthy and obviously people watch
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the combine and so you see these guys running four
four two. I mean that's attractive, right, that's attractive you
because sooner or later you start to lose the step.
So the guys that run four five, four, five to five.
As they start to lose a step, that becomes an issue.
So the shelf life might be a little shorter you
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can get. I mean, to me, this is what I've
never understood. The NFL drafts guys and they say, you know,
he's got a got a degenerative knee. At least we
think so. And so, I mean, I don't know if
he can go twelve years, he might be able to
only play six. Dude, most of the guys you draft,
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if you can get six years out of them, that's hell.
The GM of the year. Stop looking at you know,
we're trying to get guys that play twelve. No, okay,
I mean you're gonna you're gonna get some of those guys.
But the core group of your your team, if you
can keep them and they can be productive guys for four, five, six,
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you're gonna win.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
A hell of a lot of games, no doubt what.
The league averages three and a half three half. Yeah,
you get six years out of a guy, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
You're one of the best gyms, the best teams ever. Yeah,
I mean that's exactly right.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
By the way.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Moments ago, Deontay Johnson found a new team he's with
the now so pretty soon because he's got Steelers, he
got the Ravens, he got the Browns. Just he's a
stop at your Bengals there. Grant to get the full
the full AFC North rotation there, But there you go.
The Cleveland Browns have a new wide receiver to help
Pausch door Sanders right now today, Dave, what does this
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April twenty eighth. Who will be the starting quarterback of
the Cleveland Browns for twenty twenty five?
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Brian Sipe. Bryan Sipe's coming back. He's seventy four years
of age, still still has great accuracy. You're gonna have
to protect him, make sure the running game is sound.
But a play action passer get rid of the foot now,
I I don't know if I I mean, if I
had to hazard a guess, it would be Joe Flacco.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
The starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns at we start
week one.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
I mean somebody you know, I mean he's not ideal.
Joe flat would have the best arm of anybody in
the quarterback room. He's certainly the biggest. He's not very mobile,
certainly as an understanding because he played in that offense
two years ago. So I don't think it's ideal for
Cleveland fans. But if I had to guess, I would
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guess Joe Flacco, if he's healthy, A A r P.
I guess why he's not healthy, he's not. Deshaun Watson
will limb, he will not take another snap.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
I'm not betting on those young rookies. I'll tell you that.
I don't even think their ability to I have to
see it at the quarterback position to.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Believe one of those offensive linemen, though you won them
hard headed tackles.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
He also said you were slow. I just wanted to.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
I got lazy eye, guys, So I was looking at
both y'all to you guys.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Are not looking at me. They both. You need to
get that left lazy eyes.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Yeah, sorry, Ryan.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
That's the that's the one that that's the worst. And
that's what I mean there too, Right have Bryan, There
you go, you have it. There you go turn to
even say about and proud and stay it with your
chest
A reminder, by the way, tomorrow, we're very excited to
be back at Sam's Number three Diner and Bar and Glendale,
So join me, Dave Logan, Nick Ferguson. We're gonna be
out there. The Nuggets are playing tomorrow night in Game five.
We'll talk about the Nuggets here in just a little bit.
But that's Sam's Number three Diner and Bar in Glendale
on South Terry Streets where you can catch all the
Nuggets and Avs playoff games. Will be there tomorrow. I'll
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start at three o'clock. So, but we got a lot
of reaction, as you imagine Dave on the Shore Sanders
conversation here on our can't we Comma Spirit health text
line five six six nine zero. I'm not gonna say
anybody's got it wrong, because they do. Think there's a
lot of different variations on this conversation. But I don't
think this is this one right here. The story is
less about Shador in the league and more about how
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draft prognosticators could be so wrong.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
You know, I don't know about that. I say that
there were there are.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Varying levels of what we see in a player in
his production in college, and maybe there was something to
behind the scenes, teams having a different feel about them
all together for the entire time. Again, I think I
subscribed to the point that you guys just made a
moment ago saying, once you have your quarterback, or even
your backup quarterback, it's just gonna happen. We see this,
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We see this a lot where guys, Quinn, youbers went
at the very end of the draft because at that
point teams had already kind of locked up that position.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Hold on, could you not say, Quinn, yours could be
the first pick in the draft?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I know I did not. I did not, I said
a year ago.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
If I really chose to do so, if you chose
to do so, I would. I could go back and
find exactly that.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Go for it, go find that out.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I don't have the time nor the inclination.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Dave Logan, would you looking for it somebody around here?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
It would be Okay. I do think the draft prognosticators
got it wrong. Okay, I do. I mean, I don't
know if I don't know if if that part of
the story supersedes I mean, it's like I said, I mean,
when when all that talk about Shadur being the first
pick in the draft. I question myself, I'm like, well, damn,
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I mean, because normally when that starts getting out there,
there's a reason for it. And I thought, heck, I
thought he was a really good player. I didn't think
he was the first pick in the draft. I also
think there's what what Orlando said is absolutely true. You know,
everybody making a deal about Dylan Gabriel being drafted in
the third round. Dylan Gabriel, for the most part, is
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thought of as a backup quarterback, a guy that maybe
maybe comes in gives your team a lift. But teams
could live with Dylan Gabriel being their backup quarterback. There
wouldn't be there wouldn't be near the circus if Dylan
Gabriel is the backup quarterback of the Browns, depending on
who's the starter. But but I think there were there
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were there were questions from teams in terms of chiudor
Sanders and how that entire situation would be handled. I
don't think I think coach Prime has done a great
job in being present for his sons, in advocating for
his sons. And I've said this a number of times,
I'm not so sure in this case that he helped Shouldure,
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and I think some of sort of how everything played
out may in fact have hurt Schaudure in terms of
how the NFL viewed him.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Yeah, expectations versus reality, right, Shador and the Sanders family
and everybody just around him. The expectation is that he's
going to be this high draft pick. But then when
you look at it, okay, you fifth round. But I
don't think that this is at the end of the day,
you being drafted in the first round or the second round.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
What does that change?
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Like, so Noor was the highest paid nil guy in
college football that this year, Like, you're okay financially, It's
not like you have this family that's waiting on you
to take care of you. Like now, I think if anything,
this helps him, like kick everything else out of your mind, right, Like,
let's get down to playing football. This is what the
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league said they thought of you. Thirty two teams passed
on you four times and said, hey, you're not good enough.
You're not that our guy. We don't want to deal
whatever the reason for it. Now it's humble yourself and
come in and make something of it.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Yeah, with Tom Brady had certainly created a chip on
his shoulder. I mean Tom Brady, the report has it
that he said to Robert Kraft in his rookie season,
you picking me is going to be the best choice
this franchise has ever made. Yeah, I'm like, wow, Okay.
Well turned out to be true. So I think players
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developed chips on their shoulders, so you okay, I'm great.
I'm great.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I think for Shador the mindset now is really what
I'm gonna be fascinated to watch, right, because you could
take this slight I guess to a certain degree being
drafted in the fifth round when you thought you were
gonna hire. Remember it in the early the draft process
when he was working out with cam Ward, He's like,
I'm not going later, like he thought even third overall
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was kind of a bit of a weird deal. And
then I remember him pushing back on the Steelers of
twenty one. He's like, that's not happening. I'm not going
that late. So he he had in his mind that
he was gonna go way earlier in the draft. Even
the President tweeted out the very next day saying he
was gonna he should have gone earlier in the draft, right,
So that was a bit of the expectation. So now
for me is about watching his mindset from here, go
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to work, keep your nose clean, just just do the
right things and figure a way out of this because
there are a lot of people. There aren't a lot
of people rooting for him like you, Dave, like me,
We're all rooting for him, but there are a lot
of detractors out there that are kind of watching his
next move.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
We always see quarterbacks fizzled out every single year. There's
guys that are drafted in this league and they think
that they could play big boy football and it's like, no, no,
get the heck out of here, right. I think this
is the best situation for a guy like that that
has had so much hype, that has had so much success.
You know, once you get to the National Football League
that you have three different speeds in the course of
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a season that's a lot faster than you've ever seen
in your life. I remember coming here and going against
Von Miller and then you got to go against Elvis Duomerville.
I thought I was going to be the first person
in the history of the NFL where the Broncos say, hey.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
We need our money back after two weeks.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
So for a guy like Shador, keep your head down
now and go to work, because obviously you are nowhere
near as good as what you see. And I don't
think that that's a bad thing, especially in a world
of sports that we're in now with nil We're going
to see a lot of guys that come in and
they are underdeveloped because they haven't been able to go
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through things and stick around. Like you're talking about the
kid that you coached at at Creek over there day,
Like you go to a school and you go through
some adversity. This might be the best thing a decade
for now.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
I certainly hope so. And again I think it'll be
interesting for us here locally to track that. All Right,
we'll come back, we'll continue the conversation about the NFL Draft.
We'll get in some Nuggets conversation as well as they
tie up their series. It's the only time in NBA
history that we've had a buzzer beating dunk Aaron Gordon
off the and I think it was technically officially an
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air ball there from Nikola Jokic at the buzzer. I
mean it was a tie game. If it doesn't go in,
you go to overtime. Who knows what happens there. But
ag making that.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
I mean that.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
After the debacle that was Friday night, Dave, that they
just got absolutely routed in that game.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
This was this was a great comeback.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yeah, they hung on right and hid a twenty point lead.
You thought, maybe this is I mean, this is good.
And then finally he's sort of putting their foot down
in this series, and all of a sudden, here come
the Clippers. And then then you're I mean, you're literally
holding on to what God gave you the last four
minutes of the game. But but but a way to
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end it? Now? You know, if you feel the Nuggets,
you got to make sure you it's three game series.
You got two of those three at home. I mean,
all you have to do is protect home court, right,
Clippers have won once here. But I I liked the
way the Nuggets played. No Russell Westbrook because of the
foot injury. Do you see how he walked off after
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the game. I watched him walk off, I'm thinking, how
is that dude gonna be ready to play in Game five? So,
I mean, I don't know, I don't know if he
is or didn't, but he didn't look like he was
going to be ready. But but great job of the
Nuggets and find a way to win.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
And now you got to you gotta take care of
home business tour. It all right, toward all beautiful thing. Hey,
where's the shot? Let me get that shot? Dot.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
I'm right there with Dave Man. It was a hold
on thing.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
I'm watching that one on Friday or the other night,
and I'm just shaking my head, to be honest with you,
twenty two and the fourth exactly, and you're just wondering, like,
how can't this team close away, close out a game
where there's been so much great individual efforts defensively. I
love the Ag getting fired up after Christian Brown and
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the Beard getting into it. I love the little scuffles.
You know, I jump up right at the TV. I'm
ready to go. You know I missed, I missed a
little back and forth.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
But how many fights you think James Harden has been
in his life in his lifetime lifetime? Probably two? Okay,
maybe two or three? Yeah, I was gonna say less
than a handful.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Yeah, I mean, but you know it's basketball. Everybody was
a tough guy, right. I mean, I don't even know
what Ag was gonna do in that situation, but it
looked good.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
I take ag Or James Harden.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
James hard and absolutely, but I'm taking give me any
person that plays football over any basketball player in a
art beat. But it was nice to see them be
able to tie this one back up, and yeah, can
you get it done at home? That's all that becomes
right for attack home court. But I will say this,
I would love to see kind of the same mentality
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that we saw because I don't think that the Clippers
will last. Like there were some points of that game
where I'm looking at Nuggets, I'm saying they are running
them right now, and I would like to see that
come out here in the altitude, and I think you'll
be able to kind of close out a game a
little bit better in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
If you're able to do.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
That, I'm with it, and to hang on if you will,
because again, if they lose that game, let's't even say
it just goes to overtime because it was tied at
that point. We would have talked about it today saying
you squandered a twenty two point lead in the fourth
quarter an opportunity to tie the series. This team is cooked,
absolutely cooked, right it It usually works in the narrow margins.
Rarely do you see the blowouts, I mean game in,
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game out, maybe once in a while. While you saw
the blowout Friday night, But the response to that was
so significant. I mean, you're you're in l A. You're
without Russell Westbrook. As soon as I saw that during
the drafts, It's like, oh man, this is this is bad.
I mean, that's your depth. That is your depth. It's
Russell Westbrook off the bench. And to survive all of
that to rally Michael Porter Junior playing out there. I
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have not seen anything so far about suspensions or fines
for the fight for the scuffle.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
No, nor do I think you will. Yeah, nor do
I think you should. Yeah? What really? I mean nothing? Really?
Who who would you suspend?
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Well, they have the rule and I got it. I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
I think one one or two players came off the
bench because they had the rule that if you come
off the bench to jump into it, you're immediately suspended
a game. So I don't I haven't seen that yet.
So maybe maybe there won't be. Maybe there won't be.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
But I didn't believe that anybody's kind of.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
We ran into it.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Yeah, but that's to protect the team. Like we said
to Fine, like what jumping into it is? I think
like jumping into it is like you're going if you're
a Nuggets player, you're going now to go push a
Clippers player. And I thought for the most part, both
teams were trying to help each other out, like hey.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Yeah, my guy, you like, I'd be very surprised if
there's anybody suspended from that. I now, in fairness, I didn't.
I didn't see anybody come off the bench. That is
a rule, but I'll be very I would be very
surprised because if you're going to suspend anybody of the
initial kind of foray into the whatever you call it,
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it would be James Harden. James Harden got up, And
I thought Christian Brown's reaction, however, exactly what like back
in the day, it'd be like, broa, right there, you
don't have I mean, seriously, you don't have a tough
bone in your bus, so stop with this big time
back up, back up for.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Me. Also, it was like a Christian Brown like you
look at the success that he's had in his career.
I'll just be like, man, I was just pointed to
my ring finger if I was in the James Harden right,
because James has been chasing a ring and you look
at a guy that's won at a high school level, one,
at the college level one, and at the highest level,
and I just would.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Have implied, if you really want to get down to it,
I mean really, okay, and his look was kind of
like like, okay, okay, thank you, James.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
It was outstanding. It was a meaning all day Saturday.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
It was a meeting.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
It was fantastic.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
We'll come back to a couple of other bigger topics
as well, but the Broncos conclude their draft on Saturday. Dave,
let me ask you, what was your I guess your
favorite pick of the Broncos draft, and then what pick
are you the most I don't know, curious about her?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
You wonder about how that is going to work out?
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Maybe in your what none? I don't have any that
I that I wonder about. I think my favorite pick
may have been the first pick and that and I'm
I'm biased. After just interviewing him and hearing him how
I handle questions. Again, I knew a little bit about
him because I had some familiarity with the University of
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Texas program but that that kid is made of the
right stuff. I mean, now, again, by all accounts, he's
also everything you look for on the field. It's one
thing to have high character, to be a leader, to
be humble, to be everything like that. And then, oh,
by the way, but you can't really play those guys,
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I mean that that doesn't work. But he's all of that.
And again, by all accounts, he's going to be a
hell of a player. So I think that would be
that would be my favorite, probably favorite choice. I think
I think the running back going back can look in
at Central Florida. You and I talked about this. He
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didn't do a lot against CEU, but he did a
lot against everybody else. And the thing that I that
that is most I mean, he's got good, good balance,
he's got he's got good instincts. Uh, you know the
gust malson offense that there's there's a lot of window
dressing going on, but they're pretty basic in their running game.
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But he's got breakaway speed. He's got more speed than
I think what the Broncos have been used to in
terms of if he gets out. There aren't a lot
of guys in the league in a early fast league
that are going to run him down.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
He was second in the NFL or in college football
in ten yard or more runs, only behind Ashton.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Jenny didn't know that, But that's not that's not surprising. Yes,
he I mean he's he looks really good. Now he's
going to have to acclimate to the NFL game and
there's bigger there's faster people and all that. But with
that kind of speed, I'm just anxious to see. Man,
if he breaks a tackle. Uh, you know, it's not
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not a seventeen yard run, it's a sixty seven yard run.
The possibility is there. I'm right there.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
So for me that that's my favorite pick is a
Harvey out of you see up and and you know
call it the offensive linment in me. Right, you want
a guy that's going to be able to run low
to the ground, you know, doesn't look too absorb contact,
can you accelerate through contact? And he has all of that. Now,
my big question mark on him is is past protection?
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Right?
Speaker 4 (16:42):
That is one you know under his understanding of it
as well. Now do I think that he is willing?
I think everybody is willing to a certain point, So
it's not if he's willing or not. It's the understanding
of it and how complex, you know, past protection can
become when you have a tight end staying in and
the offensive line is going a certain way, and hey,
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now you know quarterback wants to put you on a
free release instead of keeping you in the backfield. Does
he have all of that?
Speaker 3 (17:09):
So?
Speaker 4 (17:10):
I think Harvey's for year one. It's going to be
a first and second down situation, along with some special
teams mixed in. But when it's all said and done,
I really do believe he could become one of those
complete players under Sean Payton not footing this offense.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
It felt like in some of the draft recaps have
been reading through from some of the draft analysts that
people like the fit here.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
There were some other running backs on the board. It's
the same thing with the Pat Bryan pick.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
There are other wide receivers on the board at the
time that a lot of the draft analysts out there
liked a little bit better.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
But I think we kind of talked about this coming
into the draft.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Dave was just saying, like, you're going to get to
a point where there's guys that fit what you want
to do, that are personality as well.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Style fits and so for me.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
R J.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Harvey may not be the three down back that Caleb
Johnson is viewed as, but he fits with what they're
trying to do here with wanting a more explosive back,
wanting a back. He didn't get a lot of opportunities
to catch passes out of the backfield, but what he
did he was really good at it. So it feels
like that that's little of what they wanted in that role.
They weren't looking for a three down back because they're
going to go running back by committee anyways.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Yeah, I think the league is I mean the league
is more about running back by committee. There are a
handful of teams that have that hoss that is going
to get the lion's share of backs. But even with
teams like that, you have a second back that is,
when you call him a change of paceback, what have you,
he's going to get some carries. I would like to
(18:38):
see the Broncos sort of pare down the running back
room a bit in terms of who's gonna be the guy.
Not the only guy, but who's going to be the
guy in games? Now. You think last year and I
believe they did that because they had to mix and
(19:01):
match what they were looking for, what's the play call
and who does this better? And so you've got you know,
you've got a collection of backs. I believe the back
is going to be better and be able to really
be more productive if you have two of those guys
instead of like a committee. So most committees have more
(19:23):
than two. You know. To me, when you say it's
running back by committee, I think it's true. But I
think it's also done a lot of times where they
just they like them, but they don't love any of them.
They all have ability to play in the league, but
this guy does that really well, but he can't do that.
(19:43):
And this next one man will manage you good than that,
but he can't do that. And so that's that's to me.
I think you develop. I don't think you take a
kid in the second round and not expect him to
be a player early. There's no reason that that's the
one position. That and wide receiver, especially at the running
back position, right running back position, wide receiver, those two positions,
(20:07):
those guys can come in and they can get playing
time quickly if they can assimilate into that offense NFL.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Right, it's not like you where your offensive line is
going to stay at least when you look at the
running back position and the wide receiver position, even tight end,
there's a lot of rotation and different personnel groupings that
you're calling it. I remember when I was with the Broncos, right,
you know, we all know what eleven personnel is, right,
one running back, one tight end, three wide receivers. Well,
(20:36):
we had a big eleven and a small eleven personnel
with Virgil Green and Julius Thomas.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Right.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
So you look at Sean Payton and what he has
done historically, He's always had that those two running backs.
So obviously I believe R. J. Harvey is going to
be one of those guys. You know, Now, who's the
other one? Who is that that scalpel? Because I think
I think Harvey could be the hammer. I think he
could run in between the tackles and that breakaway speed.
(21:05):
It's a little bit of both. But you are going
to need somebody else that you feel very comfortable with
with the screen game and along with pass protection, especially
for year one. So who can be kind of your little,
you know, scat back but also hold up and die
a slow debt and pass protection type of guy, and
that could be estimated for this football team. I thought
(21:27):
he didn't get as much looks as I would have
liked him to have got last year. But they have
to find a way too condensed, and I think that's
what Dave's talking about, right and where it's now just
two guys and we know that those guys are going
to get ninety five percent of the carries, and those
are going to be the guys week in week out
unless injuries happen.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
I agree with you by the adrig Estimey like bringing
an RJ.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Harvey was really good news for audri Estimey, assuming they
don't bring in another running back, which Dave you said
at the start of the show. You could see them
still looking at that they are going to check out
or kick the tires on Chris Evans for Bengals running
back who's drafted in twenty twenty one, had some nice
moments as a receiver for the Bengals, but really hasn't
done a lot. Twenty twenty one was really his best
season in the league, his rookie year, and then kind
(22:10):
of I think he's been dealing with injury since then.
But you mentioned JK. Dobbins we mentioned Nick Chubb. Those
are some guys out there. Here's shaz Edmands by the way,
another free agent running back. Talking about RJ. Harvey this
morning on Good Morning Football.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Maybe in a running back, I gotta stay loyal to
the running backs.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
I'm going RJ.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
Harvey running back UCF the Denver brock Is and I
absolutely love this guy.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
You talk about juice, You talking.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
About the ability to get skinny, get big out to
the outside Roco country. Let me tell you something right now,
get your kool aid ready, because this brother is bringing.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
The juice, real juice. RJ.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Harvey.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
I'm telling you, I'm telling you the boy. The boy
is special.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
He reminds me of someone I played with last year,
Bucky Irving. I don't really washing him had that same
type of impact. RJ.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Harvey. He can go, man, he can go well if
he's If he's like Ucky Irving, then the Broncos really
hitting the pick. If you go back and look at
this young guy to get his college right, but he
averaged for his not for this last season, for his
career at UCF, like six point four, six point five
(23:15):
yards per carry. You don't get that average if you
have like a whole bunch of you say, well, if
he gets twelve yard carry and the next carry is three,
well then the average is seven and a half. I guarantee,
and I've been going back in chart of this, I
guarantee you he's got plenty of home run runs. When
(23:37):
you average six and a half yards per carry, you've
got some forty to fifty sixty and longer runs in
there during your career, which is exactly what Chase Edmonds
was talking about.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Yeah, and then also you combine that just what he's
able to do out of the backfield, right, And that's
where I believe that Sean Payton's going to get extremely
creative with him five hundred and five yards, thirty nine
pass thirty nine passes over the last two year span, right,
So you know, you look at that and that's twelve
(24:08):
point nine right in the passing game, and that's the
dimension that the Broncos have been missing. So you know,
I think Sean Payton and George Peyton stayed true to
that board and said, hey, you know what, not only
are we looking at best player available at this point
and our board, but how do we get better? And
the first two rounds they certainly got better offensively and defensively,
(24:33):
and it allows them to really put defensive coordinators and
offensive coordinators in a buying And I think that that's
what it's all about now in today's NFL. Right, You're
not going to see a team line up and run
the ball fifty five times and only throw the ball
I think it was seven times and have two completions
that win football games.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
You've got to really be able to.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Make defensive coordinators time call timeouts and waste those things
early in the game. And the Broncos are going to
be able to do that this year.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
We're going to go to the wide receiver for a
second Pat Bryant. Like I said, that might be the
more controversial pick for the Broncos for a lot of fans,
And I think we get into this whole consensus discussion
of right consensus drafts, and then what people think when
you have a draft analyst out there saying this is
a fifth round pick, right, and then they Broncos take
him the third Naturally, people out there are like, Okay, well,
(25:25):
who would I believe?
Speaker 2 (25:25):
But I believe the team and their assessment of the player.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Maybe they're reaching on him, or do I believe this
draft analyst that I really appreciate who says this guy
should not be going earlier than Day three. It's a
weird kind of deal. But if you'll watch him, he's
kind of a fun player. He set a score record
with ten touchdowns. He had three walk off scores for Illinois,
had some pretty inconsistent quarterback play with Altmeyer. I really
(25:49):
wasn't having a great season. But otherwise I think he's
a really exciting player. He fits a mold of what
Sean Payton tends to like out of that position. As
you talked about the raving and the show Dave with
Michael Thomas. But I don't know why, in your opinion,
should Broncos fans be bought into that.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Knowing that some people out there feel that this is a.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Reach, Well, they don't really have to be to tell
you the truth, because you don't know. The draft is
highly subjective and you have a variety of opinions. I mean,
just look at Shader Sanders. So you and I talked
about this so many times. Thirty two NFL teams. They
(26:35):
all employ a number of scouts, They have pro personnel people,
they have college personal people. They look at the same
tape and they look at it until they damn near
go blind. And you're going to have a variety of
opinions from different people, I guess, because it's human nature
(26:57):
what somebody and somebody may have a predisposition. Like you know,
if I were an NFL scout, would I look at
wide receivers and like bigger, stronger wide receivers that had
the requisite speed but caught everything? Or would I look
at guys that were the fastest receivers in the league,
(27:20):
But maybe we're not as consistent a ball catcher. I
think you can draw your own conclusion on that rhetorical question.
So I just think that's I mean, you've got so
many people that have a diverse background in football, but
they have all been shaped. They all have predispositions. They
can say they don't, but I believe they do. And
(27:40):
I believe it. Whether you say clouds their judgment, but
it plays a part in how they look at the
very same film that somebody else is looking at and
coming away with a much different conclusion. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
And I also think, like when you hear the fifth round,
this is a fifth round page, this a fifth round pick.
A lot of people even got caught up with the
forty time at the combine only running that four six. Right,
when you look at the wide receiver position, you don't
want your wide receiver running a four six unless he's
unless he's you know, maybe of your guys's complexion.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Guys, what you mean you mean white boys can't run?
What you meant Ryan? When you say that that's what
you better? I ran better than four six in my combine.
What did you say? Thank you? I said I ran
better than four six, and I believe that you did.
Look over there. But I also like his ability. I
(28:36):
don't think Ryan's coming anywhere near at for six, well
not forty. I mean, yeah, yeah, I think you can
run that.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
You look at bat and you look at him on film,
and I thought that his film was deserving a better
grade like than what these people were. Well I did
to we're talking about, and what I get excited about
is when what he brings to run blocking and his
ability to go in there and not being afraid of
you know, push cracking on a safety but also you know,
(29:11):
stealing off the hedge and going to go dig out
a linebacker in a tight formation type of situation. So
they talk about his ability to catch it on the
slant and not having fear, and I think that's where
he's going to excel for this Broncos team.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
I would add something that Orlando said, I would bet
so thirty two teams, probably on the active roster, have
an average of what five receivers, yeah, suit five per game,
five or six, so let's say five. Let's say so,
let's say there's one hundred and sixty active wide receivers
(29:51):
in the NFL on every weekend, one hundred and sixty.
I would bet. I would bet that there are sixty
percent or a little higher of those one hundred and
sixty wide receivers that on any given weekend are for
(30:13):
six issue guys, not for seven to five guys, for
six ish guys. More than half of the active wide
receivers run four five, seven to four six three. But
what happens is absolutely, I mean absolutely, what happens is
you get guys like Xavier Worthy and obviously people watch
(30:37):
the combine and so you see these guys running four
four two. I mean that's attractive, right, that's attractive you
because sooner or later you start to lose the step.
So the guys that run four five, four, five to five.
As they start to lose a step, that becomes an issue.
So the shelf life might be a little shorter you
(31:00):
can get. I mean, to me, this is what I've
never understood. The NFL drafts guys and they say, you know,
he's got a got a degenerative knee. At least we
think so. And so, I mean, I don't know if
he can go twelve years, he might be able to
only play six. Dude, most of the guys you draft,
(31:20):
if you can get six years out of them, that's hell.
The GM of the year. Stop looking at you know,
we're trying to get guys that play twelve. No, okay,
I mean you're gonna you're gonna get some of those guys.
But the core group of your your team, if you
can keep them and they can be productive guys for four, five, six,
(31:41):
you're gonna win.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
A hell of a lot of games, no doubt what.
The league averages three and a half three half. Yeah,
you get six years out of a guy, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
You're one of the best gyms, the best teams ever. Yeah,
I mean that's exactly right.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
By the way.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Moments ago, Deontay Johnson found a new team he's with
the now so pretty soon because he's got Steelers, he
got the Ravens, he got the Browns. Just he's a
stop at your Bengals there. Grant to get the full
the full AFC North rotation there, But there you go.
The Cleveland Browns have a new wide receiver to help
Pausch door Sanders right now today, Dave, what does this
(32:20):
April twenty eighth. Who will be the starting quarterback of
the Cleveland Browns for twenty twenty five?
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Brian Sipe. Bryan Sipe's coming back. He's seventy four years
of age, still still has great accuracy. You're gonna have
to protect him, make sure the running game is sound.
But a play action passer get rid of the foot now,
I I don't know if I I mean, if I
had to hazard a guess, it would be Joe Flacco.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
The starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns at we start
week one.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
I mean somebody you know, I mean he's not ideal.
Joe flat would have the best arm of anybody in
the quarterback room. He's certainly the biggest. He's not very mobile,
certainly as an understanding because he played in that offense
two years ago. So I don't think it's ideal for
Cleveland fans. But if I had to guess, I would
(33:17):
guess Joe Flacco, if he's healthy, A A r P.
I guess why he's not healthy, he's not. Deshaun Watson
will limb, he will not take another snap.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
I'm not betting on those young rookies. I'll tell you that.
I don't even think their ability to I have to
see it at the quarterback position to.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Believe one of those offensive linemen, though you won them
hard headed tackles.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
He also said you were slow. I just wanted to.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
I got lazy eye, guys, So I was looking at
both y'all to you guys.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Are not looking at me. They both. You need to
get that left lazy eyes.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Yeah, sorry, Ryan.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
That's the that's the one that that's the worst. And
that's what I mean there too, Right have Bryan, There
you go, you have it. There you go turn to
even say about and proud and stay it with your
chest
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