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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Nuggets are playing the Clippers tonight. Both teams will be
playing on Thursday night, so there will be a Game
six no matter what, and then Game seven would also
both be on Saturday if ends up getting there. For
for both teams and obviously for the Abs, you're hoping
it's a game seven because they have to come back.
The Nuggets have a chance maybe to close things out
in the next two they've I gotta be honest, I
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have a couple of other things I want to get
to here, but the playing at the same time thing,
it's kind of obnoxious. I know that the NHL and
NBA maybe they don't really care, but it's obdoctionous.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Yeah, you would think that, I want to say, you
would think that there'd be smarter people involved, But.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I mean, I think it's it's at that point.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
It's not it's not that difficult to try to stagger
the times. I mean I think when I say it's
not that difficult, uh, these times have and and dates
have been booked by both leagues for the longest of time, right,
And so it would take some modification. It would take
like somebody to say, like, hey, wait a minute, right,
Denver's got two teams, two different you know, can we
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is there anything we can do? And you know what,
I don't know for certain.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
That that didn't happen, but it does. It does suck,
I mean it really does.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah, that's such a bummer. I mean you think again,
pet pivotal, Game six, game seven, they're both can be
at the same time. Absolutely so six, we're gonna see that.
That's already gonna happen. But if they do get to
a seven, which obviously for thiagi hope so, and it's
the same time as the Nugget, it's literally like seven,
seven thirty ish.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
And again Dallas, I mean, you know, Dallas being the
home team for a potential game seven, they get to
decide when it is right. And frankly, the Stars probably
get two you know pupoos with whether the Avalanche and
the Nuggets are playing at the same time, they probably
don't care.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
That's the reality of it.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
From a fans standpoint, I get what both of you
guys are saying. But from a league standpoint, is not
their job to accommodate the other leagues. And oh, by
the way, with the sophisticated televisions that I know that
you have Ryan, and I know Dave has. They have
this thing called picture and picture where you can watch simultaneously.
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So once again, what's the big fuss? What do we
fussing about? You can go at the same time.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Do you really ask?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
What's the big fuss?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Still, wasn't GAMEK The breaking news is a picture and picture.
That's that's great. Good job, Hey, listen.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
I mean some people have just figured it out for
the first time. So I just rocked someone with someone's
world just now.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I watched when it was I think it was just
Game one that they had them at the exact same time.
I'm from a game water Game two. It's been so long.
I did watch that, but it was obnoxious. You're back
and forth, and you're your eyes can never focus, and you're.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Just I mean, what's wrong with your eyes?
Speaker 4 (02:56):
I mean, I can watch like three games at one time,
but I can do that.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Do you have a short and tis span?
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Apparently?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Apparently? So, yeah, well then it sucks for you. Sucks
for you.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
That's what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I'm perfectly fine, You're good, I'm all right.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
I was watching the Avs game and I was watching
a replay of the Rockies last night.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Split screen work well for me.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Dave, to get off this as fast as possible. Dave. Earlier,
you asked Adamaras when we had him on about what
the Nuggets need to do to win tonight. I'll ask
you the same question in your opinion, And again, I
haven't seen anything in Russell Westbrook just yet, but he
said he thought he's gonna play tonight. So short of
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expanding minutes for the guys on the bench, which I
don't expect they're going to be able to do, what
do you think is going to happen?
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yeah, I mean, I think I think Adam's right. One
of the three things he said was they have to
come out with the same sort of defensive mentality that
they took into Game four, which was pretty much a
must win for the Nuggets.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
I thought they were physical.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
I thought they challenged the Clippers ball handlers further out.
I thought they extended their defense that they didn't just
let them walk it up the court and get into
the half court set without you know, meeting bodies.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
I thought that was good.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
They played with an energy that they had not been
consistent with. There's a little bit to me of a
double edged sword because your bench is really thin, and
so what kind of pace do you want to play
when the starters are on the court. I think they're
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better pushing the pace, especially here in Denver and trying
to get some easier looks because when they don't do that,
not that they can't they can't score, but the Clippers
are a pretty good half court defense, and so what
I think what you're seeing is they've just made a decision,
especially with Jokic, we'll do we'll double team Yokic at
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times will do the same thing to Murray and if
somebody else and then just pick one of them gets
an open three point look, we'll live with it. If
it goes in, we'll take the ball of the basket.
But they're betting that it won't go in on a
consistent basis. So you can get some easier looks if
you can push the pace. But again, your your bench
depth is so woefully thin.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
But that's a couple of things, you know, And I
was thinking about this after the fact as we were
talking earlier about the amount of minutes that the starters
had to play. Can you imagine that game had to
go to overtime? Like Yokic just shot obviously an airball
Aaron Gordon doesn't get in before the buzzer. They got
to take that unit, which again, it would be just
those five starters. You're not gonna put anybody else in there.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I mean, they had a twenty two point lead.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Ye had a twenty two point lead. You think that
would be enough and sort of a salted away. Again,
the Clippers are good, They've got depth. They might be
the overall better team right now because they were playing
hotter anyways. But then just imagine if each of those
guys would have played forty seven minutes each even went
two days off. Man, you're gonna feel that. So that
would have, for me impacted whether they want or lost
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that game. That would impact it how I felt tonight.
But the fact they won, they won a regulation, I
feel a little better about tonight.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
The biggest issue is that what we saw from the
defensive effort by the Nuggets is fugazy, right, because that's not.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Who they are.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Their defense has always been their ability to score, So
trying to find other ways.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
To score points and knowing as though every.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Time Nikola Jokis gets the ball, they're gonna trap him
on the block and he does a great job as
a big guy finding someone cutting and slashing to the basket,
and typically that's been Aaron Gord. So they have to
continue with that particular trend because trying to keep up
that physicality that they tried to show game.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
That's not who they are.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
That's why it was not sustainable in that fourth quarter.
It just it just went away because that's not their mentality.
Your mentality is shoot threes. Find Nikola Jokic, if he
can make some points down on the block, do that.
And Zubak, who has been a pretty decent defender all
season long.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
I mean, Nikola jokes.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
With his footwork, he's gonna get the bucket right. So
sometimes it's about getting that old fashioned and three point shot.
But at the same time, you are not the Detroit Pensions.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
That is not your game. So try to play your
game and when you.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Have leeds and I know no leads are safe in
the NBA, but continue to push the pace in that way,
especially playing here at home.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
There's gonna be a moment in tonight's game, sort of
predictive moment that Nikola Jokic is gonna have to take
over and just do the thing that it feels like
we get to some point in every playoff series where
we just made Nicola. We just we need you to carry,
we need you to get it on again. We talked
Adam Early said, hey, this could be a Jamal Murray Knight.
Would be phenomenal, would be phenomenal. He hasn't been bad
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this series, but he hasn't had a signature Jamal Murray
Knight where he puts up fifty points and he puts
the team on his back.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
I think the issue is that the Clippers, as we've
talked about, defensively, are gonna I means, no great surprise here.
You try to double jok occasionally, you want to pin
the pick and roll high pick and roll. You want
to hedge and then and then pin it and then
live with whoever else is shooting it. The issue for
the Nuggets is they're really not a three point shooting team.
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They're in the bottom third of the NBA in terms
of three point efficiency and three point attempts.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
They just that. But that's been an issue for them
for the past few years. Right.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
So that's why when I asked Adam in terms of, hey,
you think there's going to be changed no matter what
happens in this series, and if they win this series,
they get Oak City, they'll be decisive underdogs in that series.
Do you think there's going to be changes coming no
matter what happens?
Speaker 2 (09:07):
And he said he was unsure.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
I would say frankly that unless the Nuggets can win
this series and somehow, you know, battle Oak Oak City
and maybe win the series or look really good doing it,
I think I think significant changes are coming, right. I mean,
you have I mean, whomever they hire as the coach
and whomever they hire as a GM. To me, you
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have to find people off the bench that can knock
down some shots. It sure seems like everybody else has them.
You know, you look at Cleveland, Cleveland's a three point
shooting team. Okay, you look at Celtics. Well, Celtics have
been a three point shooting team. And they also because
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of the draft choices, I mean, they've been able to
pluck you know, Brown and Tatum and then add.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
A few few key pieces.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
But there are guys out there that should be able
to give you sixteen to twenty minutes, twenty one minutes
on a nightly basis that when they get a chance
to knock down an open three point shot, that they're
a forty percent plus three point shooter. The Nuggets don't
have that, They really don't have it. So I think
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I think there will be changes. I don't know exactly,
you know, how they go about that, but they've got
to be able to find good role players.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
That can knock down some shots. This team.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
If Jokich and Murray and ag occasionally they're not scoring,
they have a hell of a hard time standing games.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
I think it goes far beyond the three point shooting.
It's also having a combination of guys who can be
great wing players but also great defensive players as well.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
I mean that's.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Something that Michael Malone when he was here, he harped on.
He was trying to make sure he got that team
to understand the idea of what it means to play
defense and think defensively. And if you were to incorporate
that with what Nikola Jokis could do offensively, now you
translate this team into a whole different team. So, yes,
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there are going to be changes on the team. You move,
you move them alone. So why it'stop there continue to
look at your roster and say, okay, well who can
we move who still has value. Who do we have
to package with some of the picks that we have
to make our team much competitive Because if you don't, gentlemen,
you're going to waste the quality years of Nikola Jokis.
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You said to yourself, you look at the minutes from
last game. So many of those starters play forty plus minutes.
That's not sustainable for Nikola Jokis does not.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
And it's beyond this series right now. You've got to
focus on winning. But there's a certain amount of belief
that I've had from the very beginning. This is going
to go seven. The series is going to go seven.
And so if you're talking about forty plus minutes per
game on average for your starters exhausted, Oklahoma City's already
done the writing. They are waiting, and they're already one
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of the deepest teams in the NBA. I'm not trying
to be chicking little here, Dave. I'm just saying they
are already one of the deepest teams in the NBA
and they are waiting on you. By the way, just
for a second, you have that series and then you
have the heat series.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
That was in a series. What are you talking about
last night.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
I don't even know what to say about what happened
last night with the heat that they lost by like
forty something like that. I mean, so it was you
know what happened?
Speaker 2 (12:31):
We lost by fifty, That's what it was.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
I mean because when you think about are we.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Should we get rid of the plan, No.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
No, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
We can't get rid of the playing because some of
those teams get two games to prove themselves. And that's
not to say, Okay, you prove yourself getting in, but
you're playing against more superior teams. That's like saying, you
know what, should we get rid of the NCAA March madness.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
No, we're not going to do that. We're not gonna
do that.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
But then do we need four games to decide?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Dave?
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Do we need four games to decide a one versus
eight where it's clear? I mean, it's just this be
so side. And this isn't the only year that this
has happened. Eight versus one is well, first of all,
never won, but it's been very lopsided in recent years
because some of these are like ten eight.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
There has been a make be to one.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
In the NBA. Yep, you're talking about right, Yeah, that's
the one. The one.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
So now, I don't know that we need to change
the play in I think, but last night's game, I mean,
if i'm if I'm pat Riley, who is prided himself
and he's really been one of the one of the
great executives in league history, and he's stood by his
coach Eric Spolzer for a long time, including rejecting the
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idea of Lebron walking in and saying we want to
have a new coach.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
He just said, well, that's not what we're doing. Uh,
that that you gotta have.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Speaking of stones, you gotta you gotta have some stones,
like to make that comment to a guy like Lebron
that said he can't be happy with how I mean
that that was they just gave zero effort, period.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Like no effort. So I don't I mean, I don't
even know.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
You probably push away from it for a week because
you don't want to make you don't want to make
some decision out of really being angry. But I got
to imagine pat Riley watching that thing last night, and
for that matter, Eric's.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Bolster, who I think is a hell of a coach.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
But I mean, that was embarrassing, absolutely brutal watch, not
too many rash decisions. But you just had one versus
A two sweeps in a row. So you you just
say competitive level of basketball. I know that John got
heard in the Memphis series, so there's a little bit
of a maybe an understanding there.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
So you want to you want to shrink the playoffs
as far as teams.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
I'm just what you're saying. What what are you saying?
Speaker 1 (14:58):
It just it has a It hasn't the one versus
eight And this hasn't been the only year. I could
go back to even last year, but I remember last
year was kind of the same deal. It just hasn't
been great basketball, the one versus well.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Okay, just the idea of one versus eight, that's telling
you the separation between the two teams.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Give the one seed to buy if this is what
it's gonna be. But there's not much money in giving
the one seed to buy.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
I wish we.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Can do that, like the college football playoffs, but we
can't because it's all about money. Like you said, Okay,
when we look at those bottom two teams or four teams,
valoying for those last two spots, it's about dollars and
cent dollars making cents, and this is why they never
get away from it.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
But I do.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
I mean, like you're saying, I would like to see
more competitive games, but you still have one versus six.
So obviously that team that's the one there, they're light
years are better than that that eight seed. I mean
because watching the Heat go through what they did this
entire season, to me, I was just hopeful that they
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got to the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
I knew they were not gonna go You're a Heat fan, aren't, Yes,
I knew.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
They were gonna have a deep run because the makeup
of that team, it's not old school Heat culture based
on defense right now, it is reminiscent of what today's
NBA is is shooting three point shots and what happens
when you miss those three point shots lead to long
outline passes and rebounds to a team that can shoot
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three pointers.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
You gotta lose about fifty five you lose.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Yeah, Well, but again today's point pat Riley, he's pissed.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
I know he's pissed.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
He can live it because that was in front of
the whole crowd.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Yes, that was Stafford fans. Even early beat the crowd
beat the traffic.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
A two to three k coon. Hey, did you guys
hear James Gladstone, the GM of the Jacksonville Jaguars, talking
about Travis Hunter. Did that was so cool?
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I loved it? Oh it was.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
It was incredible And so if people haven't heard it,
here is James Gladstone, the GM, the new gym, youngest
GM in the league, speaking about travel. Because of course
Jacksonville traded up to number two to select the formacy
you stand out. Heisan winner, you.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
Know, as we said here, Travis Hunter is a Jacksonville Jaguar.
And really what comes to mind for me right thinking
about the sport of football and really the power of
the game itself, right, it's capacity to ignite belief, right,
belief in ourselves, belief in others, right, belief in achieving
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what many may deem impossible. Travis Hunter, he embodies belief.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Right.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
He's a rare person, he's a rare player, but he's
also a reminder that the boundaries of the game of
football were built to be challenged. And so the decision
to select him was actually a statement, a statement for
how we plan to move who we are, and we
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want him to be nothing more than him, because when
he is, he elevates the space around him, from the
football field, to the city, to the game of football itself.
Travis Hunter is who we've been hunting up. Couldn't be
more jacked to be sitting right here beside him and
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introduce you all to the man of the hour.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
That's incredible. I mean, what for opening remarks your new GM.
This is the signature pick. Like for George Peyton it
was patser Tan, but for him to trade up to
number two, trade a future first to get him and
then talk about the boundaries being pushed, and I mean
that was amazing.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Yeah, he's obviously a young guy and spent eight or
nine years with the Rams, so has heard Sean McVay
has heard less need how they go about it, how
they articulate whatever the message is. And I thought that
was excellent. I mean I really did. I mean, you
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want it's it's refreshing. I think at times it doesn't
happen much where you hear gms or coaches that just talk,
not in cliches, that just will answer questions. I think
mcveigh's one of the best doing that. And again, you
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know that might be asking a little bit too much,
because I think a lot of them are fearful of
saying something that maybe they weren't prepared to say. And
then all of a sudden he gets put back to him.
And then and then somebody runs that clip, and that
clip lives forever. And so what we've done is we've
increased We've increased our coverage of the NFL. We we
want more access. We're getting actually less access, but we
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increase the coverage. And yet we hold coaches and gms
responsible down to the word. If they make a mistake
or they say something, we jump on it and you know,
write that thing into the ground. So that guy, maybe
because he hasn't had that happen yet, I thought, I
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thought that was really refreshing. I thought it was candid.
I thought it was without cliche and.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Made a lot of sense. I was happy to hear it.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
As a former player myself, I loved everything that Glasstone
said because that went against everything that most gms have
learned and their tenure in the league following or being
an assistant on to someone else. And for him to
come out as a young guy say you know what,
I'm want to do something brash I want to do
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something bold, and I wanted to move up and go
and select the guy that I think that's going to
transform our franchise. And I think this is where not
to throw agism in there, but this is where I
look at some of the gms who've been in the
league for a while and some coaches, they have some
archaic viewpoints. They're not looking to expand their horizon and
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do things that they've never done before because they're beholden
to the past.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
It's like the game is about.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Evolution and about changing. And that was the one thing
that we heard entering the draft. What was Travis Hunter
one or the other? And it was like, well, why
does he gotta choose? Jacksonville said, you know what, we
just want you to come.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Here and be a game changer.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Notice Glaston then used the Dann Frase joker. He said, hey,
we know, we recognize this is that one of the
generational guy and he's one of one and Travis he said, well,
we're gonna let him beat him, right because as a
young kid say, he's him, So why take that away?
I mean, if you can use that element and that
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versatility on indle side of the ball, generate a brand
and revenue for your ball club.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
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He's an alien, he's a freak, He's a muty. He's
the best player in college football.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Dude.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
We got Rockies baseball coat up here. At the top
of the hours, they take on the Braves. Dave Logan,
Ryan Edwards, Nick Ferguson got about thirty more minutes if
you want to hit us up five six, six, nine zero.
He want one more thing on the James Kladstone point
that he was made about Travis Hunter, and I'm glad
Nick kind of pointed out there wasn't anything in there
about we really see him as a wide receiver or
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we really see him as a cornerback. We see him
as him and he talked to about pushing the boundaries.
It certainly sounds like they're gonna give him a chance
to prove that he can play as much as he
wants to at both At least that's what it's now.
I don't know that's gonna happen. That's what it sounded
like based on that opening statement from him.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Yeah, I think he was smart in not getting pigeonholed into,
which I'm quite certain he was asked at the press conference,
a you're gonna play him on offense or is he
going to be on defense? And with that statement as
he was talking about Travis, who was sitting right there,
he again, I thought he was smart in basically laying
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that out and not getting stuck saying yes on offense
or yes on defense.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
We're gonna let him be him.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Okay, well, that's that's what Travis wants to hear exactly.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
And by saying.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
That, you've taken away the ability of those in attendance
of cornering you and saying, how are you going to
use this guy now? I would think the honest answer
is we've got a plan.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
I'm not going to share it with you. We want
to make sure he's good with it.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
There is going to have to be some massaging here,
because he's probably.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Not going to play.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Fifty five snaps of offense and fifty five snaps of defense,
even though I think Travis would like to. He's an
extraordinarily well conditioned athlete, but it buys you some time
and then you get a chance to work with the
player and coach him and talk to him and figure out, hey,
can we maneuver this young guy to the point that
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he plays all the time on offense and he's got
twenty snaps on defense without him sort of throwing a
fit and being upset about it, because that's going to
be important. You want to keep that young guy happy.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
I think it's great for Trevor Lawrence, who is unfortunately
took a lot of backhanded comments about can he be
the guy.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Should the team move on and go in a different direction.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
He's going to be happy about having another guy on
either side of the ball that is very productive and
could be an impact player. I think that's the person
and who if benefits the most and why Gladstone.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Wanted to do this not just for the Jags.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
But if Trevor Lawrence does well, I mean it still
bodes well and everyone gets a chance to benefit.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
And eat off off of that.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
So I think it's a smart thing to look at
your team and say, well, how can I, as a
GM or head coach, office defenson coordinator help my players?
You think, okay, well, shouldn't that be the obvious, right,
But no, it's not because I've seen organizations or coaches
do what they felt was in the best.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Interest for them, not the player.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
So making this move, do they bring someone exciting to
Jacksonville and to do vall that they can celebrate. To me,
this is more about Trevor Lawrence and helping him out,
So I love it.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Yeah, I was thinking about that, right, because you make
this trade up to tow your trade a future first rounder.
Those are those are things you do for a quarterback
most of the time, not usually for a wide receiver.
But if you're doing it for a guy that can
play both positions, then it makes a little bit more sense.
Like the move itself in a lot of ways dictates
I think their view on Travis because there's other good
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wide receivers in this draft, right, there's other good quarterbacks
in this draft.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Yeah, but you would.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
You wouldn't trade a future first for any one of them, right, ostensibly,
So it's a trade to number two as a brand
new GM. That alone is a.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Statement, you know what is like like jelly is good byself,
so is peanut butter, but when you put them together.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
It's a damn good sandwich.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Right, So this is probably what Glass seems thinking, that's peanut,
butter and jelly at the same time, the best of
both worlds, a wide receiver and.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
A defensive back, one who can score points. I just
side of the ball.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Just think about it, David, Is that what you thought,
think about a jelly?
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Yeah, that's that's exactly Nick took the word.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Right out of him. And now to tell you truth. Now, listen,
Hunters a generational player.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
And what I like about the idea is that he's
going to open the door for other players and other
drafts to be considered. Now he's he's an exceptional player,
right And just because somebody you know can play wide
receiver and occasionally fit in as safety, I mean, Travis
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Hunter is really unbelievably gifted in that area. But if
he can pull this off, and Jacksonville seems willing to
let him have an opportunity to do so, to where
he starts. Let's say a receiver and he plays thirty
snaps of defense and he winds up with four or
five interceptions on the season and eighty catches. I mean,
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that's going to open the eyes of the league.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
It's going to open. I think how college.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Football coaches recruit even in the portal and to a lesser.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Extent, school kids.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
I mean, I think this is this is a generational
opportunity to frankly, I mean, I hadn't seen since I
don't think I've ever seen in the NFL right covering
it for a long time, playing in it for a
long time. This is a pretty cool, cool opportunity. I
think it just happens to be a cu.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Guy because most coaches, even on a high school level,
even if.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
A guy is really talented, they're not.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Willing to allow him to expand his horizon by playing
both sides of the ball.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
So what Dave is saying is absolutely true.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
If Jacksonville experienced maybe even fifty percent productivity on either
side of the ball, this forces a lot of coaches
to go, you know what, before my train the thought
based on the coaches, I kind of was tooled this. Ye.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Now I'm gonna let more of my players try to
do it.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
So so Dave, for you, being a coach, if you
came across a kid and you wanted to teach him
a certain technique but he was struggling with that technique,
would you tell him, hey, listen, I'm allowing you to.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
To do it your way, and to your way is
not working. Then once that comes to fruition, now you
have to do it my way. Would you be open
to something like that, Yeah, I think that's yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
I mean, I think especially when it comes like to
certain positions. I mean the quarterback thing. There are so
many quarterback and I'm air quoting here, quarterback experts. There's
quarterback camps, there's personal quarterback coaches, and I think there
are some really good ones.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I really do.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
I've always believe you don't tinker too much with the
quarterbacks delivery. Footwork is really important, and I think footwork
can be in a lot of cases sort of standard.
There's a you know, the sort of the Tom Brady
now way of throwing later in his career that was
modified from what he used to do as a younger player.
But I do think that I think you have to
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let players sort of be their own guy. I don't
think you can coach, you know, certain techniques because in
high school, in particular, more so in high school than
in college, and certainly in the NFL, there's some guys
that you may be very sound in the technique you
want to teach them. They're not a good enough athlete
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to play that technique, and so you've got you've got
to coach sort of to them a little bit. What
are they good at, whether they're good in terms of
a defensive back getting their hands on the guy, and
so you don't want to play him off all the time.
And you know, you know what I mean, I think
I just think that's part of being a good coach.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Because we got Rockies Baseball codu here at the top
of the air. We get to show me the money.
So we have another player now saying that he was
prank called and he thought this was somebody from the
Broncos that prank call him on Draft night. Commanders first
round pick Josh Connery, the offensive tackle. Yeah, he said
he got a call from Colorado. He said, I got
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a prank call. It was somebody in Colorado acting like
they were the Broncos. Mine wasn't as bad as cruel
as some the other ones. But he also got a
prank call. Wow, and this one pretending to beat the
Broncos around pick twenty. I guess, yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
I mean, it's it's interesting how some of these these
numbers are getting out right, the the the commander's situation.
You know how that I mean, excuse me, Atlanta, Yes,
you know how Jeff Ulbricks's son got that number. He
got it out of his dad's iPad.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
But we haven't found at about Tyler Warren or now
Josh Connell, and we haven't found about any any of
the rest of them. So sheers was interesting and correct
me if I'm wrong on this. I think that he
got an NFL issued phone, Like it wasn't even his
phone that he got the call on.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
I think it was like a boost mobile.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
The league gave him a phone specifically for this, if
I remember correctly.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yeah, even, I mean all of these things.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Man, it's it's very tough, and the league has to
do something about this moving forward. But the way that
you deter people from doing egregious things like this, you
got to drop the hammer on someone.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
You got a sad example.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
It's unfortunate if it's the kid from Jackson Aubrich.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
If it's him, so be it.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
But you got to drop the hammer to make sure
that this doesn't happen. Come twenty twenty six, some guys
there he's having a party or he's having doing something
with his parents and he gets a call.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Then oh, it's laughing. It's another team.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Thank you to Shannon Scott, Thank you grants back in
the studio. Rockies Baseball put up next on Kaway
Nuggets are playing the Clippers tonight. Both teams will be
playing on Thursday night, so there will be a Game
six no matter what, and then Game seven would also
both be on Saturday if ends up getting there. For
for both teams and obviously for the Abs, you're hoping
it's a game seven because they have to come back.
The Nuggets have a chance maybe to close things out
in the next two they've I gotta be honest, I
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have a couple of other things I want to get
to here, but the playing at the same time thing,
it's kind of obnoxious. I know that the NHL and
NBA maybe they don't really care, but it's obdoctionous.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Yeah, you would think that, I want to say, you
would think that there'd be smarter people involved, But.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I mean, I think it's it's at that point.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
It's not it's not that difficult to try to stagger
the times. I mean I think when I say it's
not that difficult, uh, these times have and and dates
have been booked by both leagues for the longest of time, right,
And so it would take some modification. It would take
like somebody to say, like, hey, wait a minute, right,
Denver's got two teams, two different you know, can we
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is there anything we can do? And you know what,
I don't know for certain.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
That that didn't happen, but it does. It does suck,
I mean it really does.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah, that's such a bummer. I mean you think again,
pet pivotal, Game six, game seven, they're both can be
at the same time. Absolutely so six, we're gonna see that.
That's already gonna happen. But if they do get to
a seven, which obviously for thiagi hope so, and it's
the same time as the Nugget, it's literally like seven,
seven thirty ish.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
And again Dallas, I mean, you know, Dallas being the
home team for a potential game seven, they get to
decide when it is right. And frankly, the Stars probably
get two you know pupoos with whether the Avalanche and
the Nuggets are playing at the same time, they probably
don't care.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
That's the reality of it.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
From a fans standpoint, I get what both of you
guys are saying. But from a league standpoint, is not
their job to accommodate the other leagues. And oh, by
the way, with the sophisticated televisions that I know that
you have Ryan, and I know Dave has. They have
this thing called picture and picture where you can watch simultaneously.
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So once again, what's the big fuss? What do we
fussing about? You can go at the same time.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Do you really ask?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
What's the big fuss?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Still, wasn't GAMEK The breaking news is a picture and picture.
That's that's great. Good job, Hey, listen.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
I mean some people have just figured it out for
the first time. So I just rocked someone with someone's
world just now.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I watched when it was I think it was just
Game one that they had them at the exact same time.
I'm from a game water Game two. It's been so long.
I did watch that, but it was obnoxious. You're back
and forth, and you're your eyes can never focus, and you're.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Just I mean, what's wrong with your eyes?
Speaker 4 (02:56):
I mean, I can watch like three games at one time,
but I can do that.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Do you have a short and tis span?
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Apparently?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Apparently? So, yeah, well then it sucks for you. Sucks
for you.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
That's what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I'm perfectly fine, You're good, I'm all right.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
I was watching the Avs game and I was watching
a replay of the Rockies last night.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Split screen work well for me.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Dave, to get off this as fast as possible. Dave. Earlier,
you asked Adamaras when we had him on about what
the Nuggets need to do to win tonight. I'll ask
you the same question in your opinion, And again, I
haven't seen anything in Russell Westbrook just yet, but he
said he thought he's gonna play tonight. So short of
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expanding minutes for the guys on the bench, which I
don't expect they're going to be able to do, what
do you think is going to happen?
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yeah, I mean, I think I think Adam's right. One
of the three things he said was they have to
come out with the same sort of defensive mentality that
they took into Game four, which was pretty much a
must win for the Nuggets.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
I thought they were physical.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
I thought they challenged the Clippers ball handlers further out.
I thought they extended their defense that they didn't just
let them walk it up the court and get into
the half court set without you know, meeting bodies.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
I thought that was good.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
They played with an energy that they had not been
consistent with. There's a little bit to me of a
double edged sword because your bench is really thin, and
so what kind of pace do you want to play
when the starters are on the court. I think they're
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better pushing the pace, especially here in Denver and trying
to get some easier looks because when they don't do that,
not that they can't they can't score, but the Clippers
are a pretty good half court defense, and so what
I think what you're seeing is they've just made a decision,
especially with Jokic, we'll do we'll double team Yokic at
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times will do the same thing to Murray and if
somebody else and then just pick one of them gets
an open three point look, we'll live with it. If
it goes in, we'll take the ball of the basket.
But they're betting that it won't go in on a
consistent basis. So you can get some easier looks if
you can push the pace. But again, your your bench
depth is so woefully thin.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
But that's a couple of things, you know, And I
was thinking about this after the fact as we were
talking earlier about the amount of minutes that the starters
had to play. Can you imagine that game had to
go to overtime? Like Yokic just shot obviously an airball
Aaron Gordon doesn't get in before the buzzer. They got
to take that unit, which again, it would be just
those five starters. You're not gonna put anybody else in there.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I mean, they had a twenty two point lead.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Ye had a twenty two point lead. You think that
would be enough and sort of a salted away. Again,
the Clippers are good, They've got depth. They might be
the overall better team right now because they were playing
hotter anyways. But then just imagine if each of those
guys would have played forty seven minutes each even went
two days off. Man, you're gonna feel that. So that
would have, for me impacted whether they want or lost
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that game. That would impact it how I felt tonight.
But the fact they won, they won a regulation, I
feel a little better about tonight.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
The biggest issue is that what we saw from the
defensive effort by the Nuggets is fugazy, right, because that's not.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Who they are.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Their defense has always been their ability to score, So
trying to find other ways.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
To score points and knowing as though every.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Time Nikola Jokis gets the ball, they're gonna trap him
on the block and he does a great job as
a big guy finding someone cutting and slashing to the basket,
and typically that's been Aaron Gord. So they have to
continue with that particular trend because trying to keep up
that physicality that they tried to show game.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
That's not who they are.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
That's why it was not sustainable in that fourth quarter.
It just it just went away because that's not their mentality.
Your mentality is shoot threes. Find Nikola Jokic, if he
can make some points down on the block, do that.
And Zubak, who has been a pretty decent defender all
season long.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
I mean, Nikola jokes.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
With his footwork, he's gonna get the bucket right. So
sometimes it's about getting that old fashioned and three point shot.
But at the same time, you are not the Detroit Pensions.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
That is not your game. So try to play your
game and when you.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Have leeds and I know no leads are safe in
the NBA, but continue to push the pace in that way,
especially playing here at home.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
There's gonna be a moment in tonight's game, sort of
predictive moment that Nikola Jokic is gonna have to take
over and just do the thing that it feels like
we get to some point in every playoff series where
we just made Nicola. We just we need you to carry,
we need you to get it on again. We talked
Adam Early said, hey, this could be a Jamal Murray Knight.
Would be phenomenal, would be phenomenal. He hasn't been bad
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this series, but he hasn't had a signature Jamal Murray
Knight where he puts up fifty points and he puts
the team on his back.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
I think the issue is that the Clippers, as we've
talked about, defensively, are gonna I means, no great surprise here.
You try to double jok occasionally, you want to pin
the pick and roll high pick and roll. You want
to hedge and then and then pin it and then
live with whoever else is shooting it. The issue for
the Nuggets is they're really not a three point shooting team.
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They're in the bottom third of the NBA in terms
of three point efficiency and three point attempts.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
They just that. But that's been an issue for them
for the past few years. Right.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
So that's why when I asked Adam in terms of, hey,
you think there's going to be changed no matter what
happens in this series, and if they win this series,
they get Oak City, they'll be decisive underdogs in that series.
Do you think there's going to be changes coming no
matter what happens?
Speaker 2 (09:07):
And he said he was unsure.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
I would say frankly that unless the Nuggets can win
this series and somehow, you know, battle Oak Oak City
and maybe win the series or look really good doing it,
I think I think significant changes are coming, right. I mean,
you have I mean, whomever they hire as the coach
and whomever they hire as a GM. To me, you
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have to find people off the bench that can knock
down some shots. It sure seems like everybody else has them.
You know, you look at Cleveland, Cleveland's a three point
shooting team. Okay, you look at Celtics. Well, Celtics have
been a three point shooting team. And they also because
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of the draft choices, I mean, they've been able to
pluck you know, Brown and Tatum and then add.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
A few few key pieces.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
But there are guys out there that should be able
to give you sixteen to twenty minutes, twenty one minutes
on a nightly basis that when they get a chance
to knock down an open three point shot, that they're
a forty percent plus three point shooter. The Nuggets don't
have that, They really don't have it. So I think
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I think there will be changes. I don't know exactly,
you know, how they go about that, but they've got
to be able to find good role players.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
That can knock down some shots. This team.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
If Jokich and Murray and ag occasionally they're not scoring,
they have a hell of a hard time standing games.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
I think it goes far beyond the three point shooting.
It's also having a combination of guys who can be
great wing players but also great defensive players as well.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
I mean that's.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Something that Michael Malone when he was here, he harped on.
He was trying to make sure he got that team
to understand the idea of what it means to play
defense and think defensively. And if you were to incorporate
that with what Nikola Jokis could do offensively, now you
translate this team into a whole different team. So, yes,
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there are going to be changes on the team. You move,
you move them alone. So why it'stop there continue to
look at your roster and say, okay, well who can
we move who still has value. Who do we have
to package with some of the picks that we have
to make our team much competitive Because if you don't, gentlemen,
you're going to waste the quality years of Nikola Jokis.
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You said to yourself, you look at the minutes from
last game. So many of those starters play forty plus minutes.
That's not sustainable for Nikola Jokis does not.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
And it's beyond this series right now. You've got to
focus on winning. But there's a certain amount of belief
that I've had from the very beginning. This is going
to go seven. The series is going to go seven.
And so if you're talking about forty plus minutes per
game on average for your starters exhausted, Oklahoma City's already
done the writing. They are waiting, and they're already one
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of the deepest teams in the NBA. I'm not trying
to be chicking little here, Dave. I'm just saying they
are already one of the deepest teams in the NBA
and they are waiting on you. By the way, just
for a second, you have that series and then you
have the heat series.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
That was in a series. What are you talking about
last night.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
I don't even know what to say about what happened
last night with the heat that they lost by like
forty something like that. I mean, so it was you
know what happened?
Speaker 2 (12:31):
We lost by fifty, That's what it was.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
I mean because when you think about are we.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Should we get rid of the plan, No.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
No, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
We can't get rid of the playing because some of
those teams get two games to prove themselves. And that's
not to say, Okay, you prove yourself getting in, but
you're playing against more superior teams. That's like saying, you
know what, should we get rid of the NCAA March madness.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
No, we're not going to do that. We're not gonna
do that.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
But then do we need four games to decide?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Dave?
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Do we need four games to decide a one versus
eight where it's clear? I mean, it's just this be
so side. And this isn't the only year that this
has happened. Eight versus one is well, first of all,
never won, but it's been very lopsided in recent years
because some of these are like ten eight.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
There has been a make be to one.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
In the NBA. Yep, you're talking about right, Yeah, that's
the one. The one.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
So now, I don't know that we need to change
the play in I think, but last night's game, I mean,
if i'm if I'm pat Riley, who is prided himself
and he's really been one of the one of the
great executives in league history, and he's stood by his
coach Eric Spolzer for a long time, including rejecting the
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idea of Lebron walking in and saying we want to
have a new coach.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
He just said, well, that's not what we're doing. Uh,
that that you gotta have.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Speaking of stones, you gotta you gotta have some stones,
like to make that comment to a guy like Lebron
that said he can't be happy with how I mean
that that was they just gave zero effort, period.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Like no effort. So I don't I mean, I don't
even know.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
You probably push away from it for a week because
you don't want to make you don't want to make
some decision out of really being angry. But I got
to imagine pat Riley watching that thing last night, and
for that matter, Eric's.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Bolster, who I think is a hell of a coach.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
But I mean, that was embarrassing, absolutely brutal watch, not
too many rash decisions. But you just had one versus
A two sweeps in a row. So you you just
say competitive level of basketball. I know that John got
heard in the Memphis series, so there's a little bit
of a maybe an understanding there.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
So you want to you want to shrink the playoffs
as far as teams.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
I'm just what you're saying. What what are you saying?
Speaker 1 (14:58):
It just it has a It hasn't the one versus
eight And this hasn't been the only year. I could
go back to even last year, but I remember last
year was kind of the same deal. It just hasn't
been great basketball, the one versus well.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Okay, just the idea of one versus eight, that's telling
you the separation between the two teams.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Give the one seed to buy if this is what
it's gonna be. But there's not much money in giving
the one seed to buy.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
I wish we.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Can do that, like the college football playoffs, but we
can't because it's all about money. Like you said, Okay,
when we look at those bottom two teams or four teams,
valoying for those last two spots, it's about dollars and
cent dollars making cents, and this is why they never
get away from it.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
But I do.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
I mean, like you're saying, I would like to see
more competitive games, but you still have one versus six.
So obviously that team that's the one there, they're light
years are better than that that eight seed. I mean
because watching the Heat go through what they did this
entire season, to me, I was just hopeful that they
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got to the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
I knew they were not gonna go You're a Heat fan, aren't, Yes,
I knew.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
They were gonna have a deep run because the makeup
of that team, it's not old school Heat culture based
on defense right now, it is reminiscent of what today's
NBA is is shooting three point shots and what happens
when you miss those three point shots lead to long
outline passes and rebounds to a team that can shoot
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three pointers.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
You gotta lose about fifty five you lose.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Yeah, Well, but again today's point pat Riley, he's pissed.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
I know he's pissed.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
He can live it because that was in front of
the whole crowd.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Yes, that was Stafford fans. Even early beat the crowd
beat the traffic.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
A two to three k coon. Hey, did you guys
hear James Gladstone, the GM of the Jacksonville Jaguars, talking
about Travis Hunter. Did that was so cool?
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I loved it? Oh it was.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
It was incredible And so if people haven't heard it,
here is James Gladstone, the GM, the new gym, youngest
GM in the league, speaking about travel. Because of course
Jacksonville traded up to number two to select the formacy
you stand out. Heisan winner, you.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
Know, as we said here, Travis Hunter is a Jacksonville Jaguar.
And really what comes to mind for me right thinking
about the sport of football and really the power of
the game itself, right, it's capacity to ignite belief, right,
belief in ourselves, belief in others, right, belief in achieving
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what many may deem impossible. Travis Hunter, he embodies belief.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Right.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
He's a rare person, he's a rare player, but he's
also a reminder that the boundaries of the game of
football were built to be challenged. And so the decision
to select him was actually a statement, a statement for
how we plan to move who we are, and we
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want him to be nothing more than him, because when
he is, he elevates the space around him, from the
football field, to the city, to the game of football itself.
Travis Hunter is who we've been hunting up. Couldn't be
more jacked to be sitting right here beside him and
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introduce you all to the man of the hour.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
That's incredible. I mean, what for opening remarks your new GM.
This is the signature pick. Like for George Peyton it
was patser Tan, but for him to trade up to
number two, trade a future first to get him and
then talk about the boundaries being pushed, and I mean
that was amazing.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Yeah, he's obviously a young guy and spent eight or
nine years with the Rams, so has heard Sean McVay
has heard less need how they go about it, how
they articulate whatever the message is. And I thought that
was excellent. I mean I really did. I mean, you
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want it's it's refreshing. I think at times it doesn't
happen much where you hear gms or coaches that just talk,
not in cliches, that just will answer questions. I think
mcveigh's one of the best doing that. And again, you
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know that might be asking a little bit too much,
because I think a lot of them are fearful of
saying something that maybe they weren't prepared to say. And
then all of a sudden he gets put back to him.
And then and then somebody runs that clip, and that
clip lives forever. And so what we've done is we've
increased We've increased our coverage of the NFL. We we
want more access. We're getting actually less access, but we
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increase the coverage. And yet we hold coaches and gms
responsible down to the word. If they make a mistake
or they say something, we jump on it and you know,
write that thing into the ground. So that guy, maybe
because he hasn't had that happen yet, I thought, I
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thought that was really refreshing. I thought it was candid.
I thought it was without cliche and.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Made a lot of sense. I was happy to hear it.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
As a former player myself, I loved everything that Glasstone
said because that went against everything that most gms have
learned and their tenure in the league following or being
an assistant on to someone else. And for him to
come out as a young guy say you know what,
I'm want to do something brash I want to do
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something bold, and I wanted to move up and go
and select the guy that I think that's going to
transform our franchise. And I think this is where not
to throw agism in there, but this is where I
look at some of the gms who've been in the
league for a while and some coaches, they have some
archaic viewpoints. They're not looking to expand their horizon and
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do things that they've never done before because they're beholden
to the past.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
It's like the game is about.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Evolution and about changing. And that was the one thing
that we heard entering the draft. What was Travis Hunter
one or the other? And it was like, well, why
does he gotta choose? Jacksonville said, you know what, we
just want you to come.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Here and be a game changer.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Notice Glaston then used the Dann Frase joker. He said, hey,
we know, we recognize this is that one of the
generational guy and he's one of one and Travis he said, well,
we're gonna let him beat him, right because as a
young kid say, he's him, So why take that away?
I mean, if you can use that element and that
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versatility on indle side of the ball, generate a brand
and revenue for your ball club.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Chance, he would A thousand dollars coming up the next
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He's an alien, he's a freak, He's a muty. He's
the best player in college football.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Dude.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
We got Rockies baseball coat up here. At the top
of the hours, they take on the Braves. Dave Logan,
Ryan Edwards, Nick Ferguson got about thirty more minutes if
you want to hit us up five six, six, nine zero.
He want one more thing on the James Kladstone point
that he was made about Travis Hunter, and I'm glad
Nick kind of pointed out there wasn't anything in there
about we really see him as a wide receiver or
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we really see him as a cornerback. We see him
as him and he talked to about pushing the boundaries.
It certainly sounds like they're gonna give him a chance
to prove that he can play as much as he
wants to at both At least that's what it's now.
I don't know that's gonna happen. That's what it sounded
like based on that opening statement from him.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Yeah, I think he was smart in not getting pigeonholed into,
which I'm quite certain he was asked at the press conference,
a you're gonna play him on offense or is he
going to be on defense? And with that statement as
he was talking about Travis, who was sitting right there,
he again, I thought he was smart in basically laying
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that out and not getting stuck saying yes on offense
or yes on defense.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
We're gonna let him be him.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Okay, well, that's that's what Travis wants to hear exactly.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
And by saying.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
That, you've taken away the ability of those in attendance
of cornering you and saying, how are you going to
use this guy now? I would think the honest answer
is we've got a plan.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
I'm not going to share it with you. We want
to make sure he's good with it.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
There is going to have to be some massaging here,
because he's probably.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Not going to play.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Fifty five snaps of offense and fifty five snaps of defense,
even though I think Travis would like to. He's an
extraordinarily well conditioned athlete, but it buys you some time
and then you get a chance to work with the
player and coach him and talk to him and figure out, hey,
can we maneuver this young guy to the point that
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he plays all the time on offense and he's got
twenty snaps on defense without him sort of throwing a
fit and being upset about it, because that's going to
be important. You want to keep that young guy happy.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
I think it's great for Trevor Lawrence, who is unfortunately
took a lot of backhanded comments about can he be
the guy.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Should the team move on and go in a different direction.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
He's going to be happy about having another guy on
either side of the ball that is very productive and
could be an impact player. I think that's the person
and who if benefits the most and why Gladstone.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Wanted to do this not just for the Jags.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
But if Trevor Lawrence does well, I mean it still
bodes well and everyone gets a chance to benefit.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
And eat off off of that.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
So I think it's a smart thing to look at
your team and say, well, how can I, as a
GM or head coach, office defenson coordinator help my players?
You think, okay, well, shouldn't that be the obvious, right,
But no, it's not because I've seen organizations or coaches
do what they felt was in the best.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Interest for them, not the player.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
So making this move, do they bring someone exciting to
Jacksonville and to do vall that they can celebrate. To me,
this is more about Trevor Lawrence and helping him out,
So I love it.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Yeah, I was thinking about that, right, because you make
this trade up to tow your trade a future first rounder.
Those are those are things you do for a quarterback
most of the time, not usually for a wide receiver.
But if you're doing it for a guy that can
play both positions, then it makes a little bit more sense.
Like the move itself in a lot of ways dictates
I think their view on Travis because there's other good
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wide receivers in this draft, right, there's other good quarterbacks
in this draft.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Yeah, but you would.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
You wouldn't trade a future first for any one of them, right, ostensibly,
So it's a trade to number two as a brand
new GM. That alone is a.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Statement, you know what is like like jelly is good byself,
so is peanut butter, but when you put them together.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
It's a damn good sandwich.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Right, So this is probably what Glass seems thinking, that's peanut,
butter and jelly at the same time, the best of
both worlds, a wide receiver and.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
A defensive back, one who can score points. I just
side of the ball.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Just think about it, David, Is that what you thought,
think about a jelly?
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Yeah, that's that's exactly Nick took the word.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Right out of him. And now to tell you truth. Now, listen,
Hunters a generational player.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
And what I like about the idea is that he's
going to open the door for other players and other
drafts to be considered. Now he's he's an exceptional player,
right And just because somebody you know can play wide
receiver and occasionally fit in as safety, I mean, Travis
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Hunter is really unbelievably gifted in that area. But if
he can pull this off, and Jacksonville seems willing to
let him have an opportunity to do so, to where
he starts. Let's say a receiver and he plays thirty
snaps of defense and he winds up with four or
five interceptions on the season and eighty catches. I mean,
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that's going to open the eyes of the league.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
It's going to open. I think how college.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Football coaches recruit even in the portal and to a lesser.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Extent, school kids.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
I mean, I think this is this is a generational
opportunity to frankly, I mean, I hadn't seen since I
don't think I've ever seen in the NFL right covering
it for a long time, playing in it for a
long time. This is a pretty cool, cool opportunity. I
think it just happens to be a cu.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Guy because most coaches, even on a high school level,
even if.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
A guy is really talented, they're not.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Willing to allow him to expand his horizon by playing
both sides of the ball.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
So what Dave is saying is absolutely true.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
If Jacksonville experienced maybe even fifty percent productivity on either
side of the ball, this forces a lot of coaches
to go, you know what, before my train the thought
based on the coaches, I kind of was tooled this. Ye.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Now I'm gonna let more of my players try to
do it.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
So so Dave, for you, being a coach, if you
came across a kid and you wanted to teach him
a certain technique but he was struggling with that technique,
would you tell him, hey, listen, I'm allowing you to.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
To do it your way, and to your way is
not working. Then once that comes to fruition, now you
have to do it my way. Would you be open
to something like that, Yeah, I think that's yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
I mean, I think especially when it comes like to
certain positions. I mean the quarterback thing. There are so
many quarterback and I'm air quoting here, quarterback experts. There's
quarterback camps, there's personal quarterback coaches, and I think there
are some really good ones.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I really do.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
I've always believe you don't tinker too much with the
quarterbacks delivery. Footwork is really important, and I think footwork
can be in a lot of cases sort of standard.
There's a you know, the sort of the Tom Brady
now way of throwing later in his career that was
modified from what he used to do as a younger player.
But I do think that I think you have to
(29:55):
let players sort of be their own guy. I don't
think you can coach, you know, certain techniques because in
high school, in particular, more so in high school than
in college, and certainly in the NFL, there's some guys
that you may be very sound in the technique you
want to teach them. They're not a good enough athlete
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to play that technique, and so you've got you've got
to coach sort of to them a little bit. What
are they good at, whether they're good in terms of
a defensive back getting their hands on the guy, and
so you don't want to play him off all the time.
And you know, you know what I mean, I think
I just think that's part of being a good coach.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Because we got Rockies Baseball codu here at the top
of the air. We get to show me the money.
So we have another player now saying that he was
prank called and he thought this was somebody from the
Broncos that prank call him on Draft night. Commanders first
round pick Josh Connery, the offensive tackle. Yeah, he said
he got a call from Colorado. He said, I got
(30:54):
a prank call. It was somebody in Colorado acting like
they were the Broncos. Mine wasn't as bad as cruel
as some the other ones. But he also got a
prank call. Wow, and this one pretending to beat the
Broncos around pick twenty. I guess, yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
I mean, it's it's interesting how some of these these
numbers are getting out right, the the the commander's situation.
You know how that I mean, excuse me, Atlanta, Yes,
you know how Jeff Ulbricks's son got that number. He
got it out of his dad's iPad.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
But we haven't found at about Tyler Warren or now
Josh Connell, and we haven't found about any any of
the rest of them. So sheers was interesting and correct
me if I'm wrong on this. I think that he
got an NFL issued phone, Like it wasn't even his
phone that he got the call on.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
I think it was like a boost mobile.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
The league gave him a phone specifically for this, if
I remember correctly.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yeah, even, I mean all of these things.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Man, it's it's very tough, and the league has to
do something about this moving forward. But the way that
you deter people from doing egregious things like this, you
got to drop the hammer on someone.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
You got a sad example.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
It's unfortunate if it's the kid from Jackson Aubrich.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
If it's him, so be it.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
But you got to drop the hammer to make sure
that this doesn't happen. Come twenty twenty six, some guys
there he's having a party or he's having doing something
with his parents and he gets a call.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Then oh, it's laughing. It's another team.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Thank you to Shannon Scott, Thank you grants back in
the studio. Rockies Baseball put up next on Kaway
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