04-30-25 KOA Sports Hour 1

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
And for twenty four year old Zach Agnos, who loves
watching Game of Thrones, he gets the crown with his
first big league save. This afternoon, Rockies and the skid.
Final score Colorado two, Atlanta one.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Oh thank goodness. They've a little more fired up than me.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
But I am very happy they got a way.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
It's a you heard it, a gay losing streak. Their
fifth win of the season. You gotta, I mean, you
gotta celebrate. What's not to celebrate? Yeah, it was great.
They won a game to scored two runs.

Speaker 4 (00:41):
I mean, listen, I'm not even I am being a
little facetious, but I mean, they won a game, they
scored two runs.

Speaker 5 (00:50):
They're five and twenty five.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
And if I would have told you, like the outlust
of the answer.

Speaker 4 (00:54):
When you start something like that, whatever the answer this
coming from me is more likely to be known.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
If I would have told you, and I already know
your answer, that the game would have ended two to one,
you would have said, well, sort of a classic game
where the Rockies pitching did a pretty good job, the
hitters didn't show up even at course field. You'd have
felt that because that's what this team has been.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
But here you go.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Chase Dolanner did his job via the bullpen quietly hasn't
been the weak link of this entire team. But I
gotta give some some love to Jake Bird. He's got
a point ninety five e er in nineteen innings of work.

Speaker 5 (01:32):
Way to go Jake again.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
It's like deck chairs of the Titanic feeling.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
I think for a lot of Rockies fans, would you
have five wins on twenty five and twenty five?

Speaker 4 (01:40):
Well, you know what, they had four before the game.
That's that's what I would say to Rockies.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Fans, like, as a percent markup right right, some massive jump.

Speaker 4 (01:49):
You're you have twenty five percent more wins right now
than you did this morning at ten o'clock.

Speaker 5 (01:54):
That's just look at it that way. That's just mad, right.

Speaker 4 (01:56):
If you could increase your portfolio and not look at
the stock market, and you could increase your portfolio twenty
five in a day, feel pretty damn good.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Really pretty good. Yeah, the Rockies show. I'll say this,
and I don't know what I mean. Baseball is such
a long grind, right, We're thirty games into the season.
You got one hundred and thirty two left, No idea,
We're going for us. Yeah, no, I see where the
season is going to go. But I'll put it like this.
We've talked about how winning and losing can be contagious.

(02:26):
Let's for a moment, as we're basking in the glory
of a Rockies win. They're fifth in the season, let's
hope winning is contagious and they somehow can go on
the road against the Giants, whore.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
By the way, are losing right now.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
Got even for you, I'm trying, man, even for you
that that that seemed to be a reach.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
What do you want me to say, like this is
a blip and they're going to go back to losing
eight to ten games.

Speaker 5 (02:49):
Well, here's the thing.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
I mean, maybe maybe because this is a team that
that I mean, they they've changed hitting coaches right now
you have Clint Hurdle, but there's still not really hitting
the ball. The fact that they could win a game
and score two runs at home, Yes, maybe I would
like to know over the last ten or fifteen years,

(03:13):
which is a significant sample size, how many home games
they've won when they've scored two runs or less. I'll
bet their record is a little dash a lot.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
But that was kind of my point.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
If I said it was a two to one game
before we came on, I said guess who won, you
would have been like, that's probably not.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
Going to be the Rockety I would say, like you
you must be misreading that because that game could not
have ended at Corsefield, a corse.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Field, not this year, especially after you read that article
that ESPN put out.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
Yesterday that where that was not all that flattering. No,
it was not flattering.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
It was it was all about how it's impossible to
pitch here, and all the Rockies pitchers they were interviewed
for as saying it's brutal, and then the road pitchers
that come here they said it's brutal. And here you
are a two to one game where Chris Sale, you're
going toe to toe with a cy Young winner. He
gets ten strikeouts against the Rockies. He pitched a gym.
He did lose. That's right in the end scoreboard.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
Baby. You know how I and I'm an optimistic sort,
I choose to look at this as the way Rockies. Well,
anybody who knows me would say he is optimistic and
then maybe at times delusional, but he is optimistic. The
Rockies are on a streak. They haven't lost a game
in the last game.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
That's like the sign on the wall, like says, days
since some catastrophic events and listen, I.

Speaker 5 (04:38):
Don't want to hear.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
I don't want I don't want any text. I don't
want any any I don't want anything. In terms of well,
you guys, let me say, you got to poke a
little bit of fun. Mean, you've got to be able
to do that with the team that had won four
games prior to today.

Speaker 5 (04:50):
So congratulations.

Speaker 4 (04:52):
I mean you have to go out, if your if
your buddy in Clint, I mean, or there any of
the coaches. You got to go out, you think scars,
watch the NBA game, NBA games tonight and then have
yourself a cold one or several several.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Well, they're jumping on a flight to San Francisco, so
maybe that's something on.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
The drink in the flight, can you I guess you can.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Ye the Rockies at this point, that's that's probably appreciated.

Speaker 5 (05:18):
You got, well, you know what, I'm big on celebrating
small victories.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
We got Kyle Freeland tomorrow night going against Justin Berlander,
who is an absolute shell of himself.

Speaker 5 (05:26):
I like this.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
I like where the Rockies are at I feel okay.

Speaker 4 (05:28):
I'm not going to go quite that far, but congratulations
to them today.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
I love your optimism.

Speaker 5 (05:37):
No, I mean you really do, like you like their
chances tomorrow to win the game.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
I am on here saying that winning can be contagious.
Let's sort of see where this goes. And you are like,
come on now, you don't believe that.

Speaker 5 (05:50):
Well, I'm just being honest. Yeah, so if you had Okay,
how about how about this?

Speaker 3 (05:55):
Can we both be optimistic?

Speaker 4 (05:56):
How about this? I'm I'm just honest. I'm honest. Do
I think they're going to continue at the five and
twenty five pace?

Speaker 5 (06:07):
No? I don't.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
Do I see them, you know, winning seventy five games. No,
I don't. I hope I'm wrong. I mean I but
I'm just based on what I've seen so far. Counselor,
that would be my take for.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Just one more moment on this, and we are going
to talk about the Nuggets, because holy cow, would a
game last night? I'll say like this, there's a there's
a level of smarminess around town with some of our
media friends and some of the since a cert extent
of the fans.

Speaker 5 (06:41):
I find smartiness.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Well just it's like the low hanging fruit, like I
want them to lose every single game.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
I hope it's historic. I hope that we're four don't
I don't care.

Speaker 5 (06:53):
I can't blame that. I mean, I don't care.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
It's a punchline, and I listen to my team. They're
my team, So I'm gonna stick up for them. They're
my team. You don't get to you don't get to
rip them. Okay, they're not.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
These are all transplant.

Speaker 5 (07:04):
Well you know what I say. Congratulations.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Okay, So my point is is I hope the Rockies
can find a way to turn around, if nothing else,
to wipe that smile off their face.

Speaker 5 (07:13):
I do too.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
But the thing, if I were to suggest something that
might be beneficial to you, I would suggest focus on
the winning streak. The Rockies have won one game in
a row. I used to have a rule start from
that point that a streak has to be three games.
There's no such rule, which, especially in a season like this,
we can They're in a winning streak right now. Focus

(07:37):
on that. I guarantee you, Jack and Jerry are. I
hope they're not listening to you being as negative as
your being about them.

Speaker 5 (07:47):
You know, I'm being honest, Dave. Yeah, that's my line.
That's my line.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
I'm being honest. I have no I have nothing else
to say but be honest. That's it.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Anyways, tomorrow night. So we got Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday
freelance sends of Telefeltner Marcus.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
We'll see they're shreaking. We're off and early here on
a Wednesday, Dave Logan, Ryan Edwards. We appreciate you guys
joining us.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
We got all sorts of really fun things to get
to over the next two hours. First of all, my goodness,
the Nuggets. We got to talk about that when we
come back. We have some some more thoughts, some more
NFL stories kind of coming out, the Bill Belichick stuff,
Holy cal that has.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Taking a very weird turn.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
We'll get to all of that coming up next, but
right now we have news and traffic here at the
top of the hour on Kowa.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
Nuggets, Good Christmas, on the runs Old the Urray. He
says he's.

Speaker 5 (08:47):
Been terrific tonight. It's gonna take a heap check.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
Jaburry doing a little shoy.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
That's Chris Marlow always good stuff. Out to Tude Television.
Ye have Jamal Murray. What nights Nuggets one thirty one,
one fifteen. One of us in the studio, clearly the
more optimist one of the two, picked the Nuggets last night.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
Somebody else picked the Clippers.

Speaker 5 (09:12):
Yeah, one of us.

Speaker 4 (09:14):
If if we're going to be completely transparent and totally honest, uh,
one of us has been whining about the Nuggets. Oh like,
like since before the what why did you think I
was talking about you?

Speaker 2 (09:30):
I should be talking about Slay I did come back.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
No, but I hey, I said before this the playoffs started,
I feel pretty good about the Nuggets. I still feel
pretty good about the Nuggets.

Speaker 5 (09:43):
Me too. You were dude.

Speaker 4 (09:47):
You know what, I will go back and find all
the comments you made.

Speaker 5 (09:52):
In your beer about the Nuggets. And they're just not
playing very well.

Speaker 4 (09:56):
And I don't like playing Minnesota and I don't even
think I like playing the clip yap Clippers.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
You nail that. I'm not even mad about it. That
was actually pretty damn good.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
How about Jamal? Oh, my goodness, was he any good?

Speaker 2 (10:15):
He's just seventeen to twenty six eight three pointers?

Speaker 5 (10:18):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (10:19):
Aside from you could tell that he knew, you know,
shooters have you know, before a lot of other people like, Okay,
I'm feeling pretty good tonight. He had a different mindset
in this regard. I mean, Jamal, for a lot of
his career here, he's been I mean, he's at times

(10:40):
been a great player. At times he's been an enigma.

Speaker 5 (10:48):
Right.

Speaker 4 (10:48):
I thought two things, not necessarily in order of importance.
I thought I thought he gave really good effort defensively
last night, and I thought he was more aggressive in
this regard on offense. Jamal has never really been a
catch and shoot guy. He's been to come off a

(11:10):
high screen, a couple of dribbles, shake, step back, shoot.
But last night there were there were two three times
when I didn't think the Clippers were as good defensively,
and they didn't get a close out and when that
ball would swing and Jamal got it, he just shot it,
shot it, you know what, and and hit a couple

(11:32):
of those. And I mean that's when you play a team.
I think that is really good defensively. And I do
think the Clippers are are really good. I mean, you're
not gonna get the perfect look, maybe not even the
look that you get sometimes when you play in the
regular season. You know, the high screen and role and
the big man he hedges, but but he it's dropped coverage.

Speaker 5 (11:53):
Well now they're not They're not gonna play that way.

Speaker 4 (11:56):
So I like the fact that Jamal a couple of
times said, hey, when I touch it, if I'm open,
I'm gonna shoot it.

Speaker 5 (12:03):
I'm not going to try to get a better shot.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
I loved it too, and you talked about his confidence.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
It was one of those when a shooter is is
seeing things the way he was seeing it. The bucket
might as well be the ocean because he could hit
it like it's just it does not matter what you're doing,
because he was feeling it remarkably. Like you look at
the box score for a second, the Clipper shot fifty
two point five percent from the floor, like they didn't
have a really bad night. They had a bad night defensively,

(12:28):
no doubt about it, but it's not like they were
so off. James Harden had a tough night. Amp scored
eleven points. But it was one of those performances based
on the way the series has gone, because the Unders
hit like every single game except for this one. They
scored one hundred and fifteen points that would have won
every game so far. But it was the Nuggets night, undoubtedly,
and by the way, Jamal was obviously the headline. But

(12:50):
we got to give some love to Russ. We gotta
give some love to ag Nakola. Joki had another really
quiet triple double. He didn't have a great night, but
that's got to give you some confidence about not only
what they could possibly do getting out of this series,
but maybe even go in to tote with Oklahoma State,
which I still to this moment as an optimistic as
I am don't feel great about.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
But it's okay. But I said, the Nuggets in seven.

Speaker 5 (13:13):
That's okay, Ryan, I'm to stay.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
With the Nuggets in seven. I think the Clippers get
them tomorrow night. But hey, listen, you know what one thing.

Speaker 4 (13:21):
I'm not sure the Clippers I'm not could be, but
I'm not. I mean, nobody's won two in a row
in this series yet.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
So yes, well except for now, because the Nuggets won
the last one and then that's right, So.

Speaker 5 (13:33):
Now, so the Clippers have to win two in a row.

Speaker 4 (13:36):
Yes, But I yeah, I think last night was a
real telling, telling game, and I think to your point
about jok right, he didn't have an incredibly big number
or big game numbers wise, but I think it speaks
to the brilliance of his basketball, like you, and I
think he quickly surmised in that game like okay, this

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is that Jamal right, and so he I mean, he
went out of his way to get a whole bunch
of guys involved set good screens. I mean there were
times where he's clapping and sort of you know what,
I what I deem to be encouraging Jamal, like clapping like, hey,

(14:22):
keep shooting it, right, And I think he realized I
got a lot of other guys going I'm good, I'm
good right now. So I really like the way they competed.
I liked the way they played. I mean, dere Jordan
gave him some solid minutes in the post, just with activity.
You know, the bench is still woefully thin. Russ was.

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Russ was good at sixteen of the first hit a
big three pointer in the second.

Speaker 5 (14:51):
Russ was Russ.

Speaker 4 (14:52):
He'll go through stretches where you're like, damn, he's got
to play more than he goes through stretches where he
tries to dribble, you know, from the top of the
key through the entire defense.

Speaker 5 (15:01):
It's like dude, this, you know.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
No better statement Russe Russ that is ever like.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
He got after Bogdanovich. He did.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
And there are moments I was talking with right before
the show, there are moments where you just want to
focus that.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
Hey, those moments when you're chaotic.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Can we focus that on the good chaotic versus the
bad chaotic because the.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
Bad chaotic is like, what what are you doing? Where's
your head out right?

Speaker 5 (15:26):
I think it's almost that's almost impossible to do.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
It probably is.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
I think you hope that there's more good than bad
on any given night. I think there has been more
good than bad, and there's been, you know, there's been
a considerable percentage bad.

Speaker 5 (15:42):
But I think I.

Speaker 4 (15:42):
Think his positives in the season have outweighed his negatives.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
So oh, I'm with you on that. For this team,
I'm with you on that.

Speaker 4 (15:51):
This team has to rely on Russell Westbrook at thirty
seven years of age, to give them quality minutes, to
score a bit, to take the ball to the racks some,
to play pretty good defense, to rebound. I think he's
a real smart player in terms of you know, his

(16:12):
rebounding nobility. But this team as is presently constituted. They
have to rely on a thirty seven year old Russell Westbrook.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
To to do just that. He is the bench, right,
he is the bench. Yeah, so he.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Played twenty five minutes last night. The next closest was
DeAndre Jordan at ten.

Speaker 4 (16:28):
What's Bogdanovitch? Seriously Bogdanovic? I mean what I mean he
gets into a he gets into a talking contest with Russell?

Speaker 2 (16:37):
What do you?

Speaker 4 (16:38):
I mean, bro, what are you going to do? Shut
up that? I mean that that, you know, seriously, I
mean it's like you're you're barking like a German shepherd
and you're you're like a poodle.

Speaker 5 (16:52):
Shut up.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
It's like Tyrese Haliburton's dad versus jannissin Man.

Speaker 5 (16:56):
So that was I mean, what what mister, mister, mister mister,
what are we doing? Please don't come on the court.

Speaker 4 (17:03):
Can we keep can we keep parents and family members
of teams off the court that want to go talk
smack to opposing player?

Speaker 5 (17:15):
What what are we doing here?

Speaker 4 (17:17):
That was like, that was like high school scene that
I see too often, No kidding, I mean they're they're
well a high school game. So there are there are
some high school parents that that that flap their gums
like way too much. They want to make it about them,
whether it's at a coach or at another player, or

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at an official or whatever. You know what, do yourself
a favor and your family name, and sit your ass
up in the stands and cheer for the team. And
then if your team doesn't play well or your coach
screws it up, seeing that a few times with me,
then then be pissed and go home. Sit and then
the next morning get up and have yourself some dry

(18:00):
host in coffee and bitch about the coach and whatever.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
I actually did appreciate Tyres Haliburton last night in his
press conference.

Speaker 5 (18:06):
I did too, because he said my dad was wrong.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
My dad was wrong. Yeah, that was that was the exact.
In fact, here we had the audio.

Speaker 5 (18:11):
Here we go.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
I'll play for you guys.

Speaker 6 (18:13):
You know, as far as the incident between the honest
and my pops, I had no idea what happened till
I got to the back and we showed the video.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (18:22):
Me and my pops have talked about that, and I
don't agree with you know what what transpired there from him.
You know, you know, I think basketball is basketball and
let's keep it on the court. And I think that
he just you know, got excited to tell us on
make the game winner and came on the court. But
I think we had we had a conversation, and you know,
I think he just he just allowed me to just
play basketball, stay over there, come to him to celebrate.

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But I think it's the emotions of the game. Just
got excited there. But I talked with him. I'll talk
with Johannis eventually about it. Just you know, I don't
think that my Pops wasn't the right at all there.
And unfortunate, you know, what happened in the end there.
But I mean this series was a lot of war
of words, a lot of war of antiics, a lot
of stuff going back and forth, and that's just part

(19:08):
of you know, this this rivalry and what we've built
here over the last couple of years. And you know,
it's unfortunate what happened there, but I think it's just competition.
And as far as my Pops, again, I don't agree
what happened there.

Speaker 5 (19:20):
We'll have a conversation.

Speaker 6 (19:21):
You know, everybody's going men and you know, well we'll
just go from there.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Terry's Heelburton's dad is kind of lucky that Jannis is
kind of a cool cucumber for the most part. I mean,
he's obviously a heated competitor. And that was a brutal loss.
They they choked that away, but that doesn't even really
kind of go to the level. Gary Trent Junior laid
the ball goes between his legs out of bounds with
the final.

Speaker 5 (19:42):
PA, and he was really the reason that they had
the lead.

Speaker 4 (19:46):
Yes, in NBA playoff history, which is extensive, a team
that has had a seven point lead under the last
no in the last forties seconds, Yes.

Speaker 5 (20:02):
Has never lost a game.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
They were it was sixteen hundred in change to zero
till last night.

Speaker 5 (20:10):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yeah, I was watching that game and I just I
think I went down because the kids needed something. I
was like, Okay, the Bucks got this. And I come
back up and it said overtime, You're like, what happened here?
And then I went back and kind of watched. I'm like,
oh my goodness.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
Yeah, I was like, well the Bucks got I mean,
they got to win this one.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
And Giannis after the game said, we were trying to
win for Damian Lillard, who tore his Achilles. But man,
I tell you what we come back, I do want
to ask you about the future of Giannist looks like,
because that's two first round exits in a row. And
I was wrong yesterday on something and I'll explain that
coming up next.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
Especially off the bench twenty one points, he still won.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
His four and plus minus though tells a little bit
of story about Russell Westbrook's numbers. But that being said,
it was great to see when he is focused and
he is playing, and he certainly is very dogged on defense.
It's it's great to see Russell Westbrook contribute to this
team in a positive way. Five six six nights Zeros
a Kawa Commas spearer heal text on Okay, So the
thing I was wrong about yesterday we were talking about

(21:10):
eight versus one.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
I was wrong about the Nuggets.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
But then also the the Bucks lost to the Heat
two years ago. Remember that one versus eight, The Heat
went on a tear and they were the ones the
Nuggets faced in the champions You know what.

Speaker 4 (21:23):
I thought that when you said that yesterday, I thought,
did in Miami the year that they played Denver?

Speaker 5 (21:30):
Weren't they the eighth seed? But I didn't say it.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
So there've been there have been a couple of times
that that the eight seeds have.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
But that's on me. I made Hay made Hay exactly.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
So well, what is before we get back to the Nuggets,
what's the future of Gianni's in your opinion? If you're
Giannis Ounce Toakupo, this is three straight first round excess,
You've lost the Pacers twice.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
In a row. Now, what's your mindset?

Speaker 5 (21:55):
I think that's a good question. I think.

Speaker 4 (21:59):
You know they're they're There would be some guys in
his position that would basically say, listen, I've done everything
I can. We've won a championship here, I've given it
everything I have. I don't see a lot of great
days ahead based on where we are. I think I
think it's going to be up to the organization to
sit down with him again and say, hey, here's our plan,

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here's how we think we can get to where we
all want to go in the shortest period of time,
and then outline whatever the plan is for the Bucks
in terms of free agent acquisitions or trades or what
have you. I mean, I don't pretend to know all
the sort of sort of you know, the two levels
of not salary cap apron.

Speaker 5 (22:45):
I don't know where the Bucks are on that, but.

Speaker 4 (22:49):
Yeah, I mean he I mean some think about that
what Johannis would command in terms of a trade.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
I would have said before the Luca trade that there's
just no way people will talk about it.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
It's a pipe dream. This is impossible.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
There's no way you trade a marquee, franchise, MVP caliber
player like that. But then the Luca trade happened, and
if Jannis makes enough noise and the Bucks field.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
Cornered, He's not to me, He's not a noise maker type,
but maybe he conveys.

Speaker 5 (23:22):
The idea to them, like, hey listened, I mean I
want to go somewhere else.

Speaker 4 (23:26):
Maybe, I mean I wouldn't. Would I be shocked if
that happened in the offseason.

Speaker 5 (23:30):
I would not.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
I think it just depends on what those conversations are,
how close Yiannis? Is it going to be doc Rivers?
They continue with is Giannis a doc Rivers guy? I
don't know, not sure, but are you a doc Rivers guy?

Speaker 3 (23:45):
I always have been, really, I always have been.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
I think there was a time, certainly with the Celtics, right,
but I mean, but since then, it's it's been tough.
It's especially in the postseason with Doc. There's just a really.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
Good friend of mine who's a big basketball fan. It
feels like Doc Rivers blames too many other people when
his team doesn't play well. So I just I mean,
I liked him as a player. He wasn't I mean,
he wasn't an overly skilled player. Was a really good player,
very very tough physically, which I admired. I mean there

(24:23):
were and I remember doing the show with Scottie and
we talked about Doc, and he and Doc were teammates
in Atlanta, and I said, you know, my take on
him was, I mean, he was a tough, tough guy,
he said. Scott said, you know what, there was nobody
in the NBA they would mess with Doc when it
came down to that kind of thing.

Speaker 5 (24:43):
He was limited a little bit. He wasn't wasn't it great?

Speaker 4 (24:45):
He had a funky looking shot, but just a physically
tough and a very competitive guy.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
Back to the nugget here for a second.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
So the reason why I like your mindset about tomorrow
night's game is because you hope the lesson was learned
from last year with Minnesota. Because remember they won by
fifteen here in Denver. They went to Minnesota and do
you remember them losing by forty five to the timber Wolves.

Speaker 5 (25:08):
Vaguely.

Speaker 4 (25:09):
I tend to sort of erase really unpleasant memories more
quickly than you do.

Speaker 5 (25:14):
Well, yeah, is that what it was?

Speaker 3 (25:17):
Seventy?

Speaker 5 (25:18):
Really? And you know what the good thing about that
you didn't have to go back and look that up.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
I do it off the top of my head. Yeah, yeah,
because well because I'm negative apparently, Yeah, Well, you know
how did that pressure of me go that? Well, we've
got it right, I think here Oligo Grants saved it.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
Well, we'll hear that again.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
But then, so one fifteen seventy because they believe they
had a backstop.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
They had Game seven at home.

Speaker 5 (25:42):
You could make that case. I mean, I don't know, they.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
Played like it a little bit, but they played like
they had a backstop of Game seven at home.

Speaker 4 (25:50):
Here's the biggest But here's here's I think something that
people don't really focus on either. Yes, Games six they
didn't play well. Game seven they came home, had a
twenty point lead in the second half. You got to
find a way to win a game when you're ahead
of the almighty Minnesota Timberwolves by twenty at.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Home in Minnesota might close out the LA Lakers Tonight's good.

Speaker 4 (26:15):
That's more indicative. Seriously, Now, everybody wants to blame JJ Redick,
so well, somebody's got to be blamed the fact that
JJ Reddick played his starters the entire second half. You
know why, because his bench sucks, That's why exactly. And
he knew we have to win this game. We got
to go back to LA two too. If we don't

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go back to LA two too, we're probably not beating
these bunch of young bucks. We're not beating them three
games in a row.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
And Minnesota is very deep. I mean they do have
some depths. They really athletic, yes.

Speaker 5 (26:49):
And bigger. They're much bigger than the Lakers guy.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
And they got some bigs that could shoot threes.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
I mean that's the one thing that red Yeah, man,
he's watching that game on satur I mean, it's just
one of those like deals because when it was Cat,
we used to kind of be like, all right, Cat,
come on, use your size to your advantage. But then
there's something to the fact if you have a center
that can shoot like that, you're drawing the bigs out,
which means that if you've got cutters, you can pass,
pass them underneath and hit them.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
So it just kind of opens things up. We see
with Joker all the time.

Speaker 5 (27:16):
You think Minnesota wins tonight, I do. Yes.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
I won't tell you my official pick for Show Me
the Money, because that's our was that the game?

Speaker 3 (27:23):
That's our game? You're one in three?

Speaker 5 (27:25):
Dave? Yeah? Really? Ever since?

Speaker 3 (27:29):
Well, it's probably Grant's fault.

Speaker 4 (27:31):
No, No, I've worked with Grant well before I worked
with you, So it's my fault.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
Well, I hate that you look at it that way. Well,
I mean you're still forty two wins, like you're you're killing.

Speaker 4 (27:43):
Did you just say it's your fault? Always had a
rhetorical sort of comment.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
It was a question were you were. I wasn't knitting anything.
I was asking like, are you trying to say?

Speaker 5 (27:55):
I got it?

Speaker 3 (27:55):
This was a thing that I on the rock winning streak.

Speaker 5 (27:58):
I'm so excited he's have won one in a row.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
You ever see Old School, the movie with Will Ferrell.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
It was a long time ago. Yeah, He's like, we're
streaking through the quad that's supposed have been rigging in
my ears. Ever since you said, streak.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
Both the Rocky is like when three out of four
in San Francisco, would that not be awesome?

Speaker 3 (28:17):
I'll be amazing.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
I'll tell you what you know Monday, because of course
we'll have Game sixes and sevens.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
We'll have a chance to react to Game six that's
tomorrow night for the Ads.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
Play what Saturday? They're playing Tomorrow, Friday, Tomorrow, Thursday. Yes, man,
has this been a long week. It's been a long ass.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
Weekly a week. Yeah, Tomorrow's Thursday.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Both games Tomorrow night, both game sixes, and the Ads
are back home obviously with a must win.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
I gotta have it, gotta have it.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
And then the Nuggets, of course if they win and
they move on to Oklahoma City, who swept Memphis anyways,
I think the lesson, the lesson, the hope is what
happened last year with Minnesota. You just can't have the
mindset of we got Game seven at home, we're playing
with a lot of confidence. Well let's let's play this
one as tough as we can, but we know that
we got another shot at this thing.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
We have two shots to get past the Clippers.

Speaker 4 (29:08):
I think I think that's the proper mindset. What you
just uh what you just talked about to have. But
the reality of that is there will there will be
three or four times in that game tomorrow night in
Los Angeles where the resiliency of the Nuggets is going
to be tested, where the Clippers, maybe they get ahead
and they make a little bit of run. At that point,

(29:29):
that little thing that I've said from time to time
sits on your shoulder. It's like the little devil, because
it kills at times, your competitiveness, It kills your toughness,
it kills your wanting to be involved in teamwork. You
want to you want to jump intoake me and we'd
prefer you jump into lake. We kills all that that
little that little devil sits on your shoulder. But I
think I think there'll be two or three times tomorrow

(29:51):
night where if the Nuggets don't get off to a
great start and hold, where the Clippers get ahead, and
at that point you've.

Speaker 5 (29:57):
Got to fight that little joker.

Speaker 4 (29:59):
Who's saying, hey, man, don't worry about this, don't don't
expend all your energy tonight. You got game seven. That
and that's that's a human I think, a human element,
a human dynamic that even the most competitive of people
have to find a way collectively as a team to

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fight their way through, and.

Speaker 5 (30:22):
I think it'll be interesting.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Here was coach Adelman talking about that very thing after
the game.

Speaker 7 (30:26):
Tell the thanks well, I mean, incredibly incredible. Possby went
off with that with the energy, love of art. This
was this was the individuals. Guys had good nights. So
this was a team. Woy Man like the way we played,
the energy you played with, the focus you played with.

(30:48):
Every time they made a comeback they cut it to
eight six tens. Well, I didn't see anybody panicing. I
saw a conversation on the bench. I saw things getting
better each and every time. That's what we're gonna need.
And I'm going to remind you, yes, great win, that's
only three. You have to find another effort. You have
to find the effort to win forth. Okay, that's what

(31:08):
these things are. That's why they're so special. So enjoying
this tonight, Yes you want it.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
We're up three to two.

Speaker 7 (31:13):
You did your job. Bring this back to too. But
we know this, We know that this series are We
have high respect for them, high respect which means this
that we come back tomorrow. You make sure you prepare
the same way. Look at the mistakes we made.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
Don't just have the glory of winning the game.

Speaker 5 (31:29):
How do we.

Speaker 7 (31:30):
Get better to win a fourth game? All right, let's
go great it.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Good job. Yeah, it certainly sounds like he's like hitting
the right message there. But once you said it's perfect,
I think is exactly how I think a lot of
people would. There's that human little voice right in the
back of your mind say we we got we got
game seven. Let's just understand a little shots at this thing.

(31:54):
It's like when you you.

Speaker 4 (31:55):
Had that little devil. Do you ever pop up this
little devil last on your shoulders?

Speaker 3 (32:01):
Probably?

Speaker 2 (32:03):
I don't know if I ever say it, like, we
have two shots at uh at doing a good show.
We have to just every single day, which you'd like
to though, Well, if you had two shots, you know,
wouldn't you. It's like, you know, you're in a golf tournament, right,
you get onto the green and you have I have
two puts to win the Masters, and then you short
what the first win? And now you you're just looking

(32:24):
at a twelve footer.

Speaker 4 (32:25):
Yeah, now you know that if you don't make it,
you probably are not even going to be involved in
the playoff.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
You know, life comes too fast.

Speaker 4 (32:35):
Then the little devil becomes the big devil.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
You just sort of.

Speaker 5 (32:39):
Slip over a little bit.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
And that's exactly what happened.

Speaker 5 (32:41):
That's where the phrase get the monkey off your back?

Speaker 3 (32:44):
Is that where it comes from?

Speaker 4 (32:45):
No, I mean, I don't know for sure, but it
sounded like at this moment that'd be. That'd be my
thing to add pretty stage advice. Yeah, that's good, it's good. Yeah,
thank you, good good. The bore you know, all right,
So we'll come back to the nuggets here in a
little bit. I do want to talk about this Bill
Belichick stuff today.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Belichick doesn't but you are not lying, Holy cow.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
So and we might have to do this after news
and traffic here at bottom of the hour.

Speaker 5 (33:12):
But that's a tease.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
So you had the sound we played, and maybe we
have to refresh people on that played the sound.

Speaker 3 (33:19):
A couple of days ago, he's doing an interview with.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
CBS to promote his book, and his girlfriend is sitting
over there monitoring all of it, and they start to
get to the topic of his relationship, and she shines
in we're not doing that.

Speaker 4 (33:35):
The question was, you know a lot of people have
an I'm paraphrasing. A lot of people have an interest
in it. It's been much talked about. How did you
and what's your first name?

Speaker 3 (33:46):
Jordan?

Speaker 5 (33:46):
Hello? How did you and Jordan meet? Bill?

Speaker 4 (33:50):
I thought was getting ready to say something. Jordan piped
up with we're not talking about that, and then the
interviewer said, looked over and said we're not and then
they cut.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
And then they cut.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
So when we come back, Bill has spoken, and so
has CBS.

Speaker 5 (34:12):
So she allowed him to speak.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
Well, so that that's the next see you.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
You're so good at this. Is this Bill's voice or
is this her voice? Well judge that because a lot
of people think that she wrote this.

Speaker 4 (34:24):
Sc Sure Bill and your wife was Jordan? Would that
be your voice or her voice?

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Well, you know, in the end, if it's if it's
your partner, it's a shared idea.

Speaker 5 (34:34):
Well, they're partners. I mean, they're hooked up, aren't they.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
I just say, like where I think.

Speaker 4 (34:40):
They're platon You think this is a platonic relationship?

Speaker 3 (34:42):
I begin, she it's it's whose idea is it? At
the end?

Speaker 5 (34:46):
I mean, I just you know, do you.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
Let me ask you?

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Like when it comes to decisions that are made like
do you always say and this is like your relationship.

Speaker 5 (34:56):
Here's my answer. I think she, I think she is well.

Speaker 4 (35:03):
I think she I think she owns the boat, yep.
I think she drives the boat. I think she gases
the boat, and she makes sure the boat has food
on it as they take off on their luxury liner vacation.

Speaker 5 (35:17):
I think I think I think that's it right.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
It's good.

Speaker 4 (35:20):
So if he's good with it, who are with I mean,
you're the You're the one that like like admonished me
for saying Travis Kelcey should come back and.

Speaker 5 (35:28):
Play another year, not be a kept and you're like,
what's wrong of being kept? Man? If Taylor Swift and
by the way.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
Are they still together as far as I've read, yea, if.

Speaker 4 (35:35):
Taylor Swift wanted, you know, to make sure, I don't
think that's working out, by the way, But if she
wanted to take care, So what's what's the difference?

Speaker 5 (35:42):
Bill, Bill that needs say anything this? Let Jordan talk
for him.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
There are other vastly different things. Why the vastly different things?
Why you name one thing is different?

Speaker 3 (35:59):
So we'll get to save it.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
From Bill Belichick as well as from CBS because Bill
Belichick slash Jordan again depending on who actually wrote this,
are saying that the encompassment of the interview should only
been on his book, and they were blindsided more or less,
they were blindsided by the questions about their relationship. And

(36:22):
then CBS comes back and they say that that's nonsense.
But to your question, being a kept man and whatever
Bill Belichick's situation is, it's entirely different, entirely different if
Travis Kelsey wanted to.

Speaker 5 (36:35):
Be I agree.

Speaker 4 (36:38):
No, I agree because she I'm assuming, I think correctly
that Jordan doesn't have the financial.

Speaker 5 (36:47):
Wherewith all the Taylor swich she does not.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
That's right, I don't think so.

Speaker 4 (36:50):
I mean, now you know, within the next six to
nine months, that could change.

Speaker 5 (36:55):
I mean it could change.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Like she could some kind of woodfalls that we are
trying to you know what I mean, are you predicting windfall?

Speaker 4 (37:01):
Maybe she's very good in the stock market, you just
never know inside her trading, so to speak.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
It's pretty popular these days, you know, not saying but
I'm saying so being very quickly because I feel like
I was sort of attacked here. Travis Kelsey is a
kept man, still has his voice he's just allowing for
the fact that Taylor Swift, who has actually been more
successful than he has in life.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
Now wait wait wait wait wait wait good god, I
mean seriously, what do you with that? What do you
mean she's been more successful in life? She was coming
out of your mouth. No, No, that is like has
to be checked. She is what is most successful? More
successful in life? What does that mean?

Speaker 3 (37:46):
She is the most famous musician of all time?

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (37:51):
Okay, I think some would argue, but okay, I think
that's I think if you made that argument.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
On awards and sales and all, well.

Speaker 4 (38:00):
Do tell me how many awards is Taylor Swift one?
This is like double Like I really don't know. I
was twenty grammy Do you know?

Speaker 3 (38:07):
Do you?

Speaker 4 (38:08):
That's a simple yes or no yes with that without gtsing.
You made the comment, well no, no, no, don't don't look
it up. You just made the comment she's she has
more awards and you don't know how many. So how
can you sustain that argument? Now now you're looking it
up and it didn't give you the answer you wanted.
Now you're stuck. You're stuck. Answered, Okay, fourteen grammars, So

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no other entertainer has ever won more than fourteen Grammys?

Speaker 5 (38:33):
Is that your point?

Speaker 2 (38:33):
The point of it is, I'm sorry, I missed you.
I don't want to go down that rabbit. You're just
trying to say that she is.

Speaker 4 (38:39):
Dude, You're you already got your head and you're ass
stuck down that rabbit.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
She's made more money, said it. She'd made more money
than Travis. That's that's okay.

Speaker 5 (38:47):
Let me ask you a question.

Speaker 4 (38:48):
So you rate whomever is able to make the most
money as having the most successful life.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
Some people write it that way. Yes, I asked you.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
I would say the combination of her making more money
and her notoriety on a world stage makes her more successful.

Speaker 4 (39:04):
Yes, okay, So I would say they're completely different fields.
And there's absolutely no way to compare what an NFL
player does based on or in comparison to a worldwide entertainer.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
He has to look at it in terms of and
maybe we're splitting hairs, but I look at in terms
of if you go anywhere in the world.

Speaker 4 (39:25):
By the way, Beyonce has thirty five Grammys, but go ahead,
it's impressive. Fourteen What was your number?

Speaker 3 (39:31):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (39:33):
I let me help you. It was fourteen fourteen guy.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
You said, she's the most highly highly decorated artist ever,
and she has fourteen Grammys and Beyonce has twenty one more.

Speaker 5 (39:44):
Beyonce has more Grammys.

Speaker 4 (39:48):
In terms of the difference between the two than Taylor
Swift has Grammys.

Speaker 5 (39:53):
I don't know, wonder.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
How album sales, although Destiny's Child was pretty big deal.

Speaker 5 (39:57):
All right.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
Anyways, point of.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
It is Beyonce and Jay, that's their own empire. We're
talking about Travis and Taylor.

Speaker 4 (40:03):
So you think you think Beyonce has had a much
more successful life than Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
There would be people around the world that we're asking you.
There would be people around the world. I'm doing a
show with you.

Speaker 4 (40:15):
I'm not talking to somebody in Bangladesh.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
I'm telling you as somebody that is your opinion.

Speaker 4 (40:23):
Is it your opinion that Beyonce has had a more
because you use the phrase successful life than Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
If I'm just more worldly than you.

Speaker 4 (40:32):
Can't even answer the question, did you say you're more
worldly than me?

Speaker 5 (40:38):
Mister Flannel? What are we talking about here?

Speaker 4 (40:41):
What in the actual and then just fill in the blank,
whether it starts with H or F.

Speaker 5 (40:47):
Are we talking about.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
I can't even say that was the true face. The
point I was trying to make is that if nobody
knows what it is man, he's kept man. He still
has a voice.

Speaker 5 (40:58):
Bill Belichick.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
Bill bell Check, on the other hand, is not a
kept man. I agree, he's had more success. He is
more notoriety. Yeah, he's been hitting the head. He must,
he must.

Speaker 5 (41:07):
You know what.

Speaker 4 (41:07):
He didn't play in the NFL. But I think I'm
starting to worry that maybe in some of the drills
when he was the head coach of the New England Patriots,
that maybe he got done because I played for a
college coach that when he didn't like one of the drills,
got down into the trenches, turned his baseball cap from
frontwards to backwards.

Speaker 5 (41:30):
And said let's go.

Speaker 4 (41:31):
And when the offensive lineman looked at him and hesitated,
he once again said, I said let's run it. They
ran it. And when the true story, when the play
was done, he gets up, his baseball cap has been
knocked off and he's got a gash like right above
his right eye. Why would we think that wouldn't be

(41:54):
the case when he didn't have a helmet on and
the offensive Hyman did. So I'm starting to worry about
Belichick a little bit that maybe he got down with
some of them drills and maybe took a couple of
shots to the noggin, because it.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
Just doesn't seem his last.

Speaker 4 (42:11):
Whatever a couple of years have not seemed like what
I believe I thought I knew about Bill Belichick.

Speaker 5 (42:19):
That's all.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
I'm with you on all of that.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
By the way, just for a second, imagine trying to
explain that to your significant other.

Speaker 4 (42:24):
Not mad at him, though, I mean, I know there's
a little bit of like, look at you Bill, well sure, but.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
I'm just saying, imagine you, as a coach decided to
jump in and do something like that.

Speaker 5 (42:33):
I don't know, no, no, and I've got home.

Speaker 4 (42:35):
No, I've been hitting the head more times than well
then my college coach, who was Bill Mallory my last
two years and Bill Belichick combined. Right, So No, I'm not, no,
not doing that. Yeah, you're not gonna do that.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
No, I'm just saying for a moment, having to imagine,
like explain that to my wife, like what were you thinking?
No sort of radio terms, Yeah, what what was go
through your head? I was like, Well, somebody's helmet. First
of all, obviously, I wanted to set the tempo and the.

Speaker 5 (43:05):
Tone for the practice.

Speaker 4 (43:06):
I didn't like the way we were practicing, and damn it,
I wanted to make a point, so I did, what's
for dinner?

Speaker 2 (43:13):
What's for dinner, honey, it's breakfast. It's Saturday.

Speaker 5 (43:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Anyways, So Bill Belichick has now come out and said
in a statement, an official statement with his name on it.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
People have argued that maybe Jordan put this out, but
he put.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
This out, said, I agree to speak with CBS Sunday
morning to promote my new book.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
I'll paraphrase this.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Prior to the interview, I clearly communicated with my publicist
that any promotional interviews I participated in would agree to
focus solely on the contents of the book. Unfortunately, that
expectation was not honored during the interview. I was surprised
when unrelated topics were introduced, and I repeatedly expressed to
the reporter and the producers that I preferred to keep

(43:57):
the conversation centered on the book.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
After this occurred several.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Times, Jordan love how she referred to herself, I'm the
third person here.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
Again, assuming she wrote this with whom.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
I share both a personal and professional relationship with. Wow,
that right there that sent me that absolutely I share
both a personal and professional relationship with stepped in to
reiterate that the point to help the refocus the discussion.

(44:29):
She was not deflecting any specific question or topic, but
simply doing her job to ensure the interviews stayed on track.
Some of the clips have made it appear as though
we were avoiding the question of how we met, but
we have been open about the fact that Jordan and
I met on a flight to Palm Beach in twenty
twenty one. It goes on to say that the UH
segment does not reflect the productive thirty five minute conversation

(44:51):
that they.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
Had, so CBS fired back.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Much shorter quote says, when we agree to speak to
mister Belichick was for a wide ranging interview. There were
no preconditions or limitations to this conversation. This was confirmed
repeatedly with his publisher before the interview took place and
after it was completed.

Speaker 5 (45:11):
Yeah, you and I talked about this before the show started.
I think.

Speaker 4 (45:19):
I think Bill Belichick is pretty savvy, and I think
all this could have been avoided simply by him answering
the question, and he could have said, you know, I've
talked about this plenty of times, but once more we
met on a cross country flight from wherever it was
to wherever it was, end the story. But when she

(45:44):
jumps in and says, we're not we're not going to
talk about this, and again because of his stature as
an NFL iconic coach who wasn't even whether you say
she didn't allow him to answer the question or he
chose not to answer what, However, the dynamic of that exchange,

(46:05):
I don't I didn't think was good. And you and
now you want to basically issue a statement the next
day or a day or two. The challenges CBS in
terms of what was the agreed upon.

Speaker 5 (46:21):
Idea, in terms of what.

Speaker 4 (46:22):
Questions would be allowed, you know, it just makes an
already bad situation worse. I just think he'd have been
better just saying, hey, you know what I mean, I'm
really I'll answer your question that that's not not what
I'm here to do, but I'll answer the question we met,
and then probably the line of questioning would have would

(46:43):
have ceased with respect to her.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
I'm guessing I would think so too, And I think
that he's media savvy enough. He's been doing this for
so long, right, I mean he yeah, he's curmudgeonally and
all that.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
But that's my design.

Speaker 5 (46:55):
Ron Cincinnati so great this was.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
He had to know this would be clipped. Had to like,
you can't.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
You can't be in media now and go into these
situations blindly. And once that moment happened, you either say
hold on and stop the interview. Let's redo this, because
that I don't want that out there if we end
up showing this as Jordan's stopping me from doing the interview.

(47:24):
And by the way, in the interview, we haven't even
talked about it. He's wearing the whole sweat sweatshirt with
holes in it.

Speaker 4 (47:30):
Classic you know what I saw that I did that
didn't even register with me what he had on.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
I don't I didn't think about it in the Momentie.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
Yeah, that's a massive hole right here.

Speaker 5 (47:44):
This kind of.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
So maybe that was the allowance.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Like Jordan's sitting back there, She's like, all right, listen,
where wouldever you want, But for God's sakes, do not
tell them where we met or something.

Speaker 5 (47:59):
But they've already he's already disclosed this, right.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Yeah, I know it's weird, but can you just say
it's why why are we? If I?

Speaker 5 (48:05):
If she? If they?

Speaker 4 (48:07):
I get if he, if he's he's written a book,
then I'll probably buy the book and read it. Absolutely,
I get if he doesn't want to have Jordan or
Jordan doesn't.

Speaker 5 (48:20):
I'm not sure Jordan doesn't want to.

Speaker 4 (48:21):
But if they have decided we we want to make
this about the book, we don't want to make this
about a relationship. There's already enough crazy people out there
and stories. I get that, but there there's a smarter
way to go about it when you're dealing with the media,
right if you, I mean, if you, if anybody thinks
you're just going to basically tell the media how this works,

(48:44):
and you're going to challenge him, and you're also then
going to come back a couple of days later and say, hey, basically,
you guys hoodwinked us here. I mean, you're going to
get tremendous pushback in coverage. I just think it defeats
what I believe leve was your original purpose going into
this thing.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
That's kind of my point is he's media savvy enough
to know that, so that that's where there's some disconnect
happening here, and I honestly it's it's daytime drama stuff.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
It's it kind of can't look away we talked about
on Monday.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
I agree like that moment, and then what has preceded
it now is really tremendous five six six nine zeros
or can't we comma spirit health text line if you
want to interact with that. I'm getting a lot of
people pushing back on the Oh, there's all these other
people that have one more gram because it's a combination
of things. It's a combination of things. But anyways, Uh,
did you hear Cam Newton? This is a classic pot

(49:34):
and kettle kind of moment, Cam Newton ripping on Shodor Sanders.

Speaker 5 (49:38):
You know what? I did not hear that.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
Well, I'll just play for you. I'll let you sort
of decide.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
But here's Cam Newton talking about why he doesn't like
Shudor Sanders sedure.

Speaker 8 (49:48):
Like, first off, I got to hold hi accountable, right,
Travis Hunter is what we would the chudure is supposed
to be. Travis Hunter is polished like a quarterback. Sh
the Door is always got.

Speaker 5 (50:04):
This memus look on his face, like he always.

Speaker 8 (50:07):
Snob is looking you know what I'm saying, I've met
should do it multiple times where I'm like, I'm looking at.

Speaker 5 (50:11):
It like Okay, it's just like you it is you
know what I mean? You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (50:18):
He always like and he always in character for it,
like I got to portray it like I'm gonna do it.

Speaker 5 (50:23):
Look.

Speaker 8 (50:23):
My whole thing with Shador is this what when can
he hang like?

Speaker 5 (50:29):
What performance?

Speaker 3 (50:30):
Can you hang your head on?

Speaker 5 (50:31):
Can you hang your head on in college?

Speaker 3 (50:34):
Hmm?

Speaker 2 (50:36):
Now, I think I think a couple of things here.
First of all, people have talked about shudor standers, body language,
the holding up the watch, you know, after a game,
and I don't know whatever you want to read into
those kinds of things. I think some of that is
a little overblown. I think Cam Newton, of all people
to rip on somebody else about body language when he

(50:58):
made business decisions in the Super Bowl and he's seen
on the sideline with his antics, I think that is
rich coming from that dude.

Speaker 4 (51:05):
I think this is really easy to figure out why
it happened, and it comes down to one event and
Shadur and Cam were together and Cam approached Shador and
I won't say my interpretation was Shador blew him off,

(51:28):
but I thought Shador, you know, may not have kissed
the ring the way Cam thought the ring should have
been kissed. I was struck by, Wow, that was Cam
Newton and Shadur. I mean that didn't really didn't really
hit it off. And so I think this is Cam
Newton now not happy with that original sort of meeting.

(51:53):
And I can't remember exactly where it was otherwise I
tell you, but that's what I would say.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
This is so there's just some sour grapes about the world.

Speaker 5 (52:01):
Like the young man.

Speaker 4 (52:02):
I tried to come up and uh, and it might
have been where was that?

Speaker 5 (52:07):
Was it before a Bowl game? Was it? Or was
it in Bolder?

Speaker 4 (52:10):
I can't. I can't remember, but I distinctly remember seeing
it and thinking to myself, damn should it was not
that all that impressed with Cam Newton.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
You know, yeah, and guys like I meant, I.

Speaker 4 (52:24):
Can remember that were one of the if you're one
of the I mean, if you're if you're a guy.
And Cam's had great success I think in his football career.
I mean, he didn't win the Super Bowl, didn't win
Super Bowl. Uh, fifty, but he said he's had a
lot of success, won a lot of big games at Auburn.
But I think I think he probably was a bit

(52:47):
taken back and like WHOA really uh? And so to me,
this is probably him seeing this as an opportunity to
kind of get back at the at the young dude
a bit.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
It feels a little piling on right in the moment
that we're seeing a little bit of that. Anyways, because
he went to the fifth round when Coach Prime had
been out there saying that, hey, there were certain teams
that we don't want.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
Him to go to. Cleveland was one of them. Cleveland
was one of them.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
I'm sure you saw the same clips circling that he
was asked about Cleveland and he's like, we're hoping for
New York or something that affected recently, right.

Speaker 5 (53:19):
I mean with the draft.

Speaker 4 (53:20):
I mean he talked about this was Coach Prime and
again I'm paraphrasing here a bit, but he talked about
the Browns liking what they did in some of the
off season stuff. But then pooh pooed completely the notion
of Shadu a going to play quarterback for the Browns.

Speaker 5 (53:37):
That's something you can't keep do it.

Speaker 4 (53:39):
Yeah, I mean unless now people have compared this to
you know what Eli Manning went through with Archie, But
they knew, the Manning family knew at that point, and
Eli was guaranteed to be a top three or four pick.
There was no way Eli was going to drop down.
He just didn't want be in the family. And Archie

(54:02):
didn't want Eli to go play for the San Diego
Chargers right and told them not to draft him. They
drafted him anyway, and then there was a there was
a trade made with the Giants, and that's how Philip
Rivers got to the Chargers and Eli Manning got to
the Giants. But yes, similar in terms of saying, you know,

(54:22):
we want to control where we don't want to play,
But they also knew, you know, you were going to
be a top three or four pick. You can't talk
your way into the top three, four five picks in
the draft.

Speaker 5 (54:37):
It just the NFL doesn't work that way.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
So when we look.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Back on this years from now, whatever his career ends
up being, I think we both hope it's a very
good one. Yes, when we look back in this years
from now, what are we going to point to is
the reason why it happened the way it did.

Speaker 4 (54:52):
I think I think it was sort of a perfect
storm in a negative way. Yep, right, I think again
I've said this before. I mean when the talk about
Shador being the first pick in the draft, and there
was significant conversation about that, I checked myself. I was like, wait,

(55:17):
what am I missing here? Because I had not up
to that point, I had not thought of I thought
he was a really good player, I mean a good player,
really good player at times in college, but I never
thought of him as the first pick in the draft.
And then that sort of caught on and then it
was like, hey, it's going to be him or Cam Warre,
and I'm thinking, okay, I need to go back and
look at these games and see. And so, as I've

(55:40):
told you, I think the league falls in love with well,
they fall in love with armed talent. They fall in
love with the big arm guy, and the big arm
guy gets more love from NFL teams. I think it
won trait that quarterbacks have, and it to me is
not the most important trade, but I think one of

(56:02):
the traits that is a top the list is that
this guy, I mean, he's got a howitzer, big arm
can throw it through I mean throw it through the
car wash and ball doesn't even get wet sort of thing.

Speaker 5 (56:13):
Well, that's not Shadu, right.

Speaker 4 (56:15):
NFL likes nowadays then used to they like guys that
can move, athletes that can extend place. I think Shador
can extend plays.

Speaker 5 (56:24):
But he's not. He's not what I would call a
great athlete. He's just not.

Speaker 4 (56:29):
He's He's an accurate thrower that I think has good anticipation.
I think he's got good football, since I really do.
But all those things when you add them together, and
then I think I think there was some concern from
NFL teams, the fact I know one and was not
here in town talking to them. They were concerned about

(56:52):
coach Prime. I mean, we're not trying, we're not trying
to hear about it and go on a podcast and
go on this national show. And how come he's not
doing this and not doing that. And so unless the
talent was so significant that it would override some of
those concerns, I think you had a bunch of teams
saying we pass.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
I think you put it perfectly, and it was a
culmination of several things, including the traits, including the presentation,
and as we're seeing from some of these interviews that
he was in at the Combine and otherwise where they
did kind of tell some teams go ahead and take
me off your board kind of deal, and you just
simply can't do that because you just never know. You

(57:33):
really don't know unless your Eli, as you said, or
John Elway, and you know you're going to be going
at a certain spot and you're pretty damn certain that
that's going.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
To be the case.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
You don't you don't have to. You can't exist in
that world. And for Shador, there was always a sliver possibility.
You said it based on the traits, what you saw
with your own eyes. You thought he was more of
a day too kind of quarterback.

Speaker 4 (57:56):
I thought he could be a late first round I
thought I thought he'd definitely would go. If he didn't
go in the late first round, I thought he would
definitely go in the second round.

Speaker 5 (58:05):
I mean I was surprised at that, right.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
But there there have been some you know, people talking
about like like Mel Kuiper, and I like I like Mel.
I haven't talked to him for a long time, but
I mean talked to him way way way back in
the day. Right, And I think he's a guy. You might,
you know, you might disagree with his assessment of players,
but he's a guy that I know works hard, and

(58:31):
you know, I like sort of the old school stuff
that he does, even though I don't agree with everything.

Speaker 5 (58:37):
But I have no idea.

Speaker 4 (58:39):
I mean when you call, when you say this is
an embarrassment, wait a minute, I mean what based on what?

Speaker 5 (58:45):
Right? Nobody is right all the time.

Speaker 4 (58:47):
Including Mel about how talent is going to get drafted.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
Famously not always right.

Speaker 4 (58:55):
Well, I mean you're exactly right, I mean Mel Kuiper,
And again I would consider Mel a friend. I like Mel.
I think he's good at what he does. But for
him to go on and have such righteous indignation about
where should or Sanders was drafted and called an embarrassment
to the league, and then and then lists why he
was better than.

Speaker 5 (59:15):
This guy, this guy, this guy, and this guy.

Speaker 4 (59:17):
I mean, Mel was the guy that said Lamar Jackson
would have to switch and play receiver in the league, right,
I mean he hasn't. He hasn't. All he loved Jimmy
Clawson out of Notre Dame. I mean, nobody, nobody in
this room, nobody, any other room is going to hit
you know all the time on who should be drafted.

(59:39):
This guy is going to be a great players. It's
just impossible to do