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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Scamper and the Run.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Jake Plumber midfield forty five, forty.
Speaker 3 (00:03):
Thirty, five thirty, The Snake is most twenty five twenty
Plumber out of bows at the fifteen yard live and
the fans in Denver love. But that's a run of
forty yards.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
The Snake's loose.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
I tell you what, Dave will probably never ever get
a call like the Snake is Loose from you.
Speaker 5 (00:25):
Yeah, I'm trying to well, he's coming on, so he
would he would probably remember. I'm guessing he'd remember that game.
I was trying to think that wasn't I don't remember
what game that was. But he he could get out,
and when he did, you know what, he hit some
pretty good wheels.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Pretty amazing.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Jake Plumber joining us on the Kawakommaspary Health Hotline with
Dave Logan, Ryan Versus Shelby Harris.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Jake's great to have you on, man. How are you?
Speaker 6 (00:48):
I'm good?
Speaker 1 (00:49):
How you guys all do it?
Speaker 6 (00:50):
So we're doing.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
We're going good, Jake, But first of all, what what
game was that that you got out and ran like
forty yards?
Speaker 1 (01:01):
I think it might have been a maybe Kansas City game, Okay,
or yeah, I'm trying to remember.
Speaker 6 (01:07):
It was early.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
It was I think it was right when I first
got there, so everyone was waiting to see what I
could do. And it was a few games in and
I took off and I don't know, you know, running
around like that. Fear from my life was things that
tried not to remember.
Speaker 6 (01:21):
I hear it.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Well, you might as well remember it if you get
plus forty right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yeah, yeah, one of my longest runs. I think that
might have been my longest run in my career.
Speaker 6 (01:30):
Wow, okay, very cool.
Speaker 7 (01:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
I loved getting out and running man, especially thinking that
you were going to throw the ball on the defensive players,
you know, when you were ten yards past the line
of scrimmage and they'd stiel jump. That was always fun.
Speaker 7 (01:42):
Well that makes no sense. I see it all the time.
I'm just like, bro, why did you jump? He pumped? Well,
he's twenty yards past a lot of scrimmage. Like you
see Lamar Jackson running downfield and just pumping pump, aching
and people actually jumping. Well, hey, Jay, guess Shelby here.
I really my first question. I got as a QB,
you know, opposite with a similar skill set to what
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bow knicks kind of has with the mobility and and
you know, making making plays with your legs, were also
looking to throw it. You know, what did you think
that bow Knicks needed to work on this offseason to
really propel his game to the next level.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Uh? You know, it's hard to analyze when I'm not
breaking down every game film. Just from what I saw
and the times that I saw it, you know, I
think he has massive potential because one, he's just a
phenomenal athlete, as you could see multiple times. Uh maybe
not feet set still making really amazing throws a few
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times be out making some bad throws, but that's how
you learn. And that's what I like to seeing. Was,
you know, his his ability to stand up for his
style of play, I think was what I when I took.
Speaker 6 (02:53):
Away from what I saw.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Maybe I'm wrong, but it felt like he was stepping
up to the plate to say, hey, I can do this,
let me play my style, and he really did a
phenomenal job. So working on its footwork, you know, maybe
getting more comfortable in anticipation a little bit, knowing routes
and understanding like better who to look at when you're
you know, running some deep corners or deep posts, you know,
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like making sure to not just rely on that really
strong arm that he has, you know, like get that
ball out quick, you'll save yourself and the hits you'll
you know, you'll get the ball out of the guy's hands.
So I think that that kind of stuff is what
you work on once you've proven you can play. And
what we saw from Bo was phenomenal. I didn't mean
he took care of the ball so well. You don't
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really improve on that. You just get lucky a few
times and you know, make good decisions. And that's what
we saw from a rookie, which was encouraged and encouraging
and and why I think we're all excited to see
his development into next year.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
All provo, I'll provo that's from Shelby himself.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
You know.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
One of the things I've been thinking about with Bow
going into year two, when teams get a bit of
film on you, as in your first starting season, maybe
you catch some defenses by surprise a little bit, you
hang a bunch of poison yards on him, like they
did against the Cleveland Browns. But more than anything, that's
a little shot Shelby. You you go into year two
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and now you're not surprising anybody. Now they know exactly
what your tendencies are. So as a quarterback going from
year one to year two, how do you sort of
not only build on what you did, but also sort
of keep defenses off balance who might know some tendencies
of yours.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Yeah, I mean it's diving into that playbook and learning
the offense even deeper, at the deepest level you can.
And like I said, you know, getting the ability to
predict and anticipate a little bit. He's seen, he's been
through the offense. I saw, you know, we saw fans.
Everybody saw multiple times. You know, if there wasn't something
there quick, he was pretty quick to drop the eyes,
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take off and do something. And he got away with
it a lot of times, made phenomenal plays and going
to his left, going to his right, stepping up in
the pocket, extending plays. I can recall my rookie year
being a lot like that. I got in and all
of a sudden they thought I was sacked, and then
I pop out of there and the dbs had stopped running,
you know, And now that I go, stop covering your
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guy and make Jake, make him make that pro He's
feared less he's not gonna throw out of bounds. He's
going to try to sling that thing thirty yards rolling
to his left, and sometimes it was good, and once
in a while it wasn't, so they stopped coming off
the receiver. So you'll see a lot more of trying
to keep him from doing what he does really well
and not as extending plays. And you know, how do
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you do that? I don't know. The league has changed
so much that that's really the style we're seeing as
quarterbacks able to get the ball out quick and in
the hands of these athletes around them, but then when
they do drop back if something isn't there, their escapability
is phenomenal. I mean, we see across the league most
guys have some skills extending plays and eating something after
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you would think it would be a loss. So he's
just going to have to continue to mature and grow
and I think the most important thing, and really who
needs to maybe go watch film as a fans and
understand that you're gonna just got to take what you
get this next year. First year amazing plan on the
same thing. It's not better, but he may not, you know,
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he may not shine as Bride as he did that
rookie year because you've seen him already and understand though,
we got a leader, and that's the beautiful thing is
leaders are going to have their teams ready, and I
think he motivates that team and the players play hard
for hims.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
We're talking former Bronco great Jake Plumber. I was going
to ask him you you may have sort of just
glossed over it when you think back to your career,
and I think the game obviously has.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
Changed from when you came in.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
But still quarterbacks to come out of college the first
couple of years, what what two or.
Speaker 6 (06:52):
Three, three or four things.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
We're most sort of present in your game in terms
of having to adjust once you got into the league.
What are these young guys today, what what are two
or three of the key things that they have to
be aware of and adjust to.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Man, you know, you're coming into the best of the best,
So you know it's one thing to be your leader
in college and now being paid athlete in college and
making pid more money than most of anyone else on
the team, and now you're coming into the league where
these are these are the pros, are the best of
the best, and the rest has been weeded out. So
there's a part of really having the right kind of
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mentality around leadership and knowing how to respect the players
that have done it and learn from them, but also
find your role on that team and what that sounds like,
looks like, feels like, so you can you know, really
assume that role. I mean, not every team wants a
quarterback to be a boisterous, loud leader, you know, but
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they do want them to be a hard worker and
in the weight room early, and which is guys and
down the earth as much as you can be when
you're the face of the franchise. So you know, it's
it's a big jump. I mean that along with the
anticipation and get involves into tinier windows and no one
when to take those shots and when not to. You know.
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I think a lot of these kids have been football
almost to this before they even leave college. So the
next level with the pros is just honing those skills
even more and finding a something place to be. I
think having a coach that can analyze you and is
a master at you know, putting together that little pieces
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of a dynamic offense so that when one guy gets hurt,
it's not like, oh, no, but all right, now we're
going to see what this guy can do. And I
think when you have minds like that, you know, drafting,
maybe not the shiny object or the you know, the
one that people think, or maybe a guy who with
the slowest receiver in the combine right, four six one.
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There's obviously something there that this kid does that is beautiful.
And that could be he's really good with the timing
on you know, progressions, because Bo needs to get that
down you know, one, two and I get the three
if not, that's where both is beautiful. So you know
that next level was just you know, getting in the
meeting rooms with your coaches, with your QB coach, with
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the head coach, with your receivers, and making sure you
digest as much as you can for that next week.
You know that opportunity and now this year, next year
or two for both, that's really what he's got to
work on, and you know, just keep being the leader.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Love it.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Last one I have for you, Jake really appreciates time
as always, man, So I really enjoyed your story that
you you posted up on social media last week talking
about the draft and how excited it was when you
remember back to when you were drafted and when you
were coming into the league. What advice I guess would
you give rookies coming into the league.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
They just got drafted.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Their head's going to be on a swivel when they
get into rookie camp and then, I mean, it's already
been a whirlwind as it is in the pre draft process.
But well, what's sort of your message I guess to
young players rookies coming into the league.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yeah, you got to trust trust in yourself, you know,
and trust that you're you got drafted and someone saw
you and and look at this beautiful opportunity that's now
afforded you to to go in and figure it out,
do the best you can. Not all, not all draft
picks have long, lucrative careers. It's a very small margin
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of those that make it, you know, past three years.
So you know, go in there with uh, you know,
full full confidence in yourself, knowing that it's going to
be hard. And there's guys out there that are six year,
seven year vets to that family and the lifestyle and
they're making the money that they feel comfortable with and
you're going to threaten them and so have a little
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healthy oaths of respect for those before you that have
that have done it. Not even just the current players
that are older, but even the players like you know,
you guys Shelby, Dave, you know, the guy that played
you know, have that have that respect and reverence for
the game because it really hasn't changed much. Athletes had
because they're coming out of college with a lot more
money in their pockets than most of us or all
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of us post you know, four or five years ago,
uh or four or five years ago. You know, it's uh,
it's just something to come into the league. But trusting yourself,
that's the main thing. And if you do that and
you show up and you work your butt off and
take the lumps and take the jive the jobing and
making fun of you and putting you down, you know,
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if you can get through all that and trusting your abilities,
things good things can happen.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I dig it.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
And by the way, Shelby are crack staff your research
staff that it was against the Raiders that you had that.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Forty yard run.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
So Raiders there you go.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Yeah, appropriately against our division rival, So good job.
Speaker 7 (11:51):
It is it hard to remember like back, like you know,
obviously I'm going on your twelve right now. But is
it hard to remember specific moments from your career?
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah, I mean there's so many games. I mean, there
are a lot of There are a lot of times
and just certain games that stand out. And then there
are certain plays that you know, I'll never forget. So
I have the opportunity to make some pretty big plays
at opportune moments. So but yeah, and I could run
like that. I knew it was I Raiders were Chiefs.
I didn't say raiders. But uh no, I don't remember
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a lot of plays. Man, there's no way, how would you.
I remember a lot of the dudes I played with
and those guys I played a games. That's a lot
of the fun things and remember.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Awesome, Jake, You're the best. We appreciate the time, man,
thank you.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Hey, you guys do well, have fun and peace, love
and mushrooms.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Oh you appreciate Jake, Jake Plummer the best.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Yeah, it's funny you're talking about specific plays. I'd say
if I ever challenged Dave on specific plays, usually your
your memory is remarkable.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Well that stuffy.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
I mean, I remember I remember plays like like Broncos plays.
But I think I think Jake's right probably if you
think back in my career as well before for his
you remember, you remember outcomes of games and maybe a
handful of plays, but you remember the dudes you played
with like a lot a lot more easily.
Speaker 7 (13:11):
And I remember, like I'm still playing and I still
can't remember specific things you know, from earlier in my career.
But one thing though, and it's always known and everyone
always talks about it, is you know, the one thing
that you always remember is the locker room and the
guys you played with. The one thing you're going to
miss is the locker room and the guys you played with. Yeah,
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and you know that's what has guys hag on for
so long because.
Speaker 6 (13:38):
There's nothing really like it.
Speaker 7 (13:40):
Especially in football, because once you're done, you can't go
put the pads back on and just go play for fun,
you know, I mean, this is really this is it.
You can but nobody wants to see exactly, but like,
this is really it. This is once you're done, you're done,
and so you really got to enjoy every minute of
it because it's something that you know it won't ever
be replica.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Yeah, it's kind of a good point, right, I mean,
maybe with basketball you can sort of pick up the
basketball and go play a little bit. You could hoop
up a little bit with a lot of sports, be
right with football, it's over, man.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
Mean, you're not going to get in the backyard, put
the helmet on, get down in the three point stance
with the dog and say ready to go.
Speaker 7 (14:17):
Man. I might might blow some up that point, man,
but that's it. That's the greatest part just about football, though,
is that everybody kind of does know that this is
it and and that's why I feel like you do
play with so much emotion you do play because well, yeah,
like even everyone can talk about the money you make,
but that's not what got is starting to play football
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when we first started playing, and those feelings, those emotions
you feel that on game day, you know what I mean.
So that's what you know gets me up at night.
That's that's what I'm going to miss when I'm done.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
I love that.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Before we get back to the Nuggets, just wanted to
follow up on the conversation with bo Nix on him
in year two. There was some interesting things he said there,
you know, about taking that next step and really kind
of diving into the playbook.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
And I'm so fascinated.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
I think that we all right now feel a bit
of optimism about his ability to learn, his ability to
lead as those things that Jake pointed out. But you
know those tendencies, man, I mean, that's that the tape
doesn't lie. And you know Shelby had his opinion about
what he saw out there in the field against the Browns.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Those same things are going to show up next year.
So how do you sort of build on that?
Speaker 6 (15:26):
Well, I mean, the Broncos have to get better. Bow
has to be better.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
And Sean has to make sure that while the foundation
of the offense stays the same, there's got to be
plenty of things that you do next year that you
didn't do last year. Because defensive coordinators, defensive coaches, they
spend the entire offseason looking at every single game and
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breaking down especially like the Chiefs and the Raiders and
the Chargers. They'll look at the two games that they
played the Broncos and they'll look at that quarterback in
the offense and figure out what he likes, what he
was really good at, here's things he struggled against and
how can we be better against him this year? So
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and the Broncos have been doing the same thing in
reverse for Bo. But I do think your question was
good in terms of from Jake's standpoint that second year
for a rookie quarterback going into his second year.
Speaker 6 (16:26):
And I don't have the stats in front of me, but.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
I think there is the possibility of guys coming back
to Earth a little bit. Doesn't mean he won't be
a good player, certainly doesn't mean he won't have a
good career. But you know, he came into this league
and the only tape that early in the season teams
had was him at Oregon or Auburn.
Speaker 6 (16:52):
Now they've got.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Seventeen games eighteen games actually of Bo Nicks in this
Broncos offense. So it's up to Sean and the coaching
staff here to change and continue to grow that offense
and have you know, a new flavor or two for
Bo to be able to choose.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
And I'm not gonna I'm not gonna let you.
Speaker 7 (17:14):
I'm not gonna let you sit here and try to
say that, oh I shall we said this or no.
If you look at the stats the Cleveland the game
against the Cleveland Browns and then the game two weeks
later because they had a bye recrat after our bow
nex is two worst games of the season.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Well, that's impossible to say, because the Seattle game and
the Jets game also happened.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
Well, if you look at the Seattle game, okay, percentage wise,
completion percentage wise, Cleveland was the worst game of the year,
and obviously the first two games of Seattle pitch we're
not even talking about, Okay, we're talking about when he
actually started getting rolling, like and and adver sent that
from Tampa Bay on. You know, So Cleveland was the
worst completion percentage of the year against.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
What do you attribute that to? Your back end?
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Here we go.
Speaker 7 (17:57):
I think it's a total defensive ever been, you know,
but even though is even if you're not getting sacks
and you're not, it's still about getting pressure and getting
his face and making them move off his spot, which
he had to do a lot that game. And then
the next game is Indy. You know, he struggled again
two for three, three touchdowns, three deceptions, and so my
analysis of him was just off of one game, which
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actually ended up being one of his worst games of
the season. So, but if you look at all the
other games, hell of a game. And so that's what
happens though. You know, in the eighty quarterback you go
from having great games and you're gonna have one bad game.
So I think he's gonna recover. I think he's gonna
do good. But stop putting that, Stop putting it on me, stopt.
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I can only go off of what I see, I
can know, and also I've made it, always made it
very clear. He looked way better. The games are four
is as he struggled against us, but also if you
look at the stats, you run a lot of man
to man. He struggled against a man of man. I'm
struggling right now, is running right now? Like, what do
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you want from me? It's good, all right?
Speaker 2 (19:08):
So the Nuggets night. We'll come back to the Broncos
a little later.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
But the Nuggets tonight, Dave on Tuesday, we felt like
that was a Jamal Murray opportunity game, right.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
I think we were pretty clear on that.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
We said, boy, this would be one of those games
for Jamal to really show up. Are you going to
predict Jamal's the guy again tonight? Or do you have
somebody else in mind?
Speaker 6 (19:32):
No?
Speaker 5 (19:32):
I mean I think Jamal has to be now he
might not shoot it as well. As he shot it
in the last game. But I think he has to
be as aggressive. I want to see Jamal And again,
we talked about this after after Game five. I mean,
Jamal historically has been a guy that would come off
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the high screen roll either pull up for a jump shot,
get it back to Jokich on the roll, or take
the ball to the basket. But he really has never
been a catch and shoot guy. And that element of
his game was evident in Game five where the ball
would swing he's got it outside three point range and
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he just cast.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
And so I want to see that.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
I want to see him be as aggressive in getting
the ball to the basket because he clearly, I mean,
he's other than Jokic, he's their best scoring option.
Speaker 6 (20:32):
He's their best shooter.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
I know MPJ when he gets going, can knock it
down too, but so well they get forty three, probably not,
but I want to see him as aggressive as we
saw him in game five.
Speaker 7 (20:44):
Well, just as hot as he was. He was just
as cold the game before. So I think everyone would
be fine if you just got something in the middle,
you know, I mean, a consistent twenty.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
But I just want to see him shoot it.
Speaker 7 (20:55):
Yeah, I want to see him just I don't want
them to see him lose the confidence, just keep going.
But also who I don't want to see lose the
confidence is Michael Porter Junior. I know, like I've been
on here throughout the weeks and I've been pumping Michael
Porter Jr. Saying you know he I really truly believe
that he can be the X factor for them because
obviously you know what you're getting out of Aaron Gordon,
and you know what you're getting really out of all
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the other guys. It's this Michael Porter Junior is the
one who one game will give you five, one game
will drop thirty.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
He's playing with one arm.
Speaker 7 (21:25):
Okay, that we don't use excuses in the sports world.
Don't play if you're too hurt to play, if you're
too hurt to play, don't play. We're not going to
use that excuses. Oh, Steph, You're not gonna get to me,
because here's the thing, he's the optal hurt to play.
But that's dirty play. They're playing dirty, intentially attacking Steph
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Curry's arm. Michael Porter Junior shoulders hurt. Yes, he's choosing
to go out there and play, and he it's hurting.
It's hurting him, it's hurting the team. So you know
that's on him. You know, once you decide what a
just I love.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
How he's trusted himself in all sorts of.
Speaker 6 (22:04):
Nose as an athlete.
Speaker 7 (22:08):
If you choose to go on that court, I don't
want to hear anything about your injury. Like that's that's
the thing. That's a football mentality. That's how it's going
to be everywhere. And that's how I'm teaching my kids.
If you're gonna go out there and play, I don't
want to hear you complaining. Go out there and play
the game. We'll fixed all the other stuff later. But
during this game, and I don't want to hear any
talk about your injury or after the game when you
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had to struggles, don't say I'm hurt. No, then you
shouldn't have played.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
You realize just you're moving the goalpost here.
Speaker 7 (22:39):
Because there's the thing. Steph Curry would be fine playing
with his hand. The thing is, though they're intentionally smacking
his hand.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
So if they intentionally Michael Porter Jr.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
Not though, but also a shoulder, that's a foul.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
Yeah, we had a texture that said something to that
effect that he thought the.
Speaker 6 (22:54):
Clippers were taken.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
I've seen that.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
Just Swipe said, I hadn't seen that before. I I
haven't seen it that I remember seeing it, but I
will be conscious of it.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
YEA.
Speaker 7 (23:05):
I will watch. That's all I can do. I'm an
imperfect man, but you can watch.
Speaker 6 (23:10):
I can.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
We'll leave you a chance to win.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
See their tickets coming up here in about seven minutes.
To listen for that queue to call this our chance.
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The Scamper and the Run.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Jake Plumber midfield forty five, forty.
Speaker 3 (00:03):
Thirty, five thirty, The Snake is most twenty five twenty
Plumber out of bows at the fifteen yard live and
the fans in Denver love. But that's a run of
forty yards.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
The Snake's loose.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
I tell you what, Dave will probably never ever get
a call like the Snake is Loose from you.
Speaker 5 (00:25):
Yeah, I'm trying to well, he's coming on, so he
would he would probably remember. I'm guessing he'd remember that game.
I was trying to think that wasn't I don't remember
what game that was. But he he could get out,
and when he did, you know what, he hit some
pretty good wheels.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Pretty amazing.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Jake Plumber joining us on the Kawakommaspary Health Hotline with
Dave Logan, Ryan Versus Shelby Harris.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Jake's great to have you on, man. How are you?
Speaker 6 (00:48):
I'm good?
Speaker 1 (00:49):
How you guys all do it?
Speaker 6 (00:50):
So we're doing.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
We're going good, Jake, But first of all, what what
game was that that you got out and ran like
forty yards?
Speaker 1 (01:01):
I think it might have been a maybe Kansas City game, Okay,
or yeah, I'm trying to remember.
Speaker 6 (01:07):
It was early.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
It was I think it was right when I first
got there, so everyone was waiting to see what I
could do. And it was a few games in and
I took off and I don't know, you know, running
around like that. Fear from my life was things that
tried not to remember.
Speaker 6 (01:21):
I hear it.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Well, you might as well remember it if you get
plus forty right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yeah, yeah, one of my longest runs. I think that
might have been my longest run in my career.
Speaker 6 (01:30):
Wow, okay, very cool.
Speaker 7 (01:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
I loved getting out and running man, especially thinking that
you were going to throw the ball on the defensive players,
you know, when you were ten yards past the line
of scrimmage and they'd stiel jump. That was always fun.
Speaker 7 (01:42):
Well that makes no sense. I see it all the time.
I'm just like, bro, why did you jump? He pumped? Well,
he's twenty yards past a lot of scrimmage. Like you
see Lamar Jackson running downfield and just pumping pump, aching
and people actually jumping. Well, hey, Jay, guess Shelby here.
I really my first question. I got as a QB,
you know, opposite with a similar skill set to what
(02:04):
bow knicks kind of has with the mobility and and
you know, making making plays with your legs, were also
looking to throw it. You know, what did you think
that bow Knicks needed to work on this offseason to
really propel his game to the next level.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Uh? You know, it's hard to analyze when I'm not
breaking down every game film. Just from what I saw
and the times that I saw it, you know, I
think he has massive potential because one, he's just a
phenomenal athlete, as you could see multiple times. Uh maybe
not feet set still making really amazing throws a few
(02:40):
times be out making some bad throws, but that's how
you learn. And that's what I like to seeing. Was,
you know, his his ability to stand up for his
style of play, I think was what I when I took.
Speaker 6 (02:53):
Away from what I saw.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Maybe I'm wrong, but it felt like he was stepping
up to the plate to say, hey, I can do this,
let me play my style, and he really did a
phenomenal job. So working on its footwork, you know, maybe
getting more comfortable in anticipation a little bit, knowing routes
and understanding like better who to look at when you're
you know, running some deep corners or deep posts, you know,
(03:17):
like making sure to not just rely on that really
strong arm that he has, you know, like get that
ball out quick, you'll save yourself and the hits you'll
you know, you'll get the ball out of the guy's hands.
So I think that that kind of stuff is what
you work on once you've proven you can play. And
what we saw from Bo was phenomenal. I didn't mean
he took care of the ball so well. You don't
(03:37):
really improve on that. You just get lucky a few
times and you know, make good decisions. And that's what
we saw from a rookie, which was encouraged and encouraging
and and why I think we're all excited to see
his development into next year.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
All provo, I'll provo that's from Shelby himself.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
You know.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
One of the things I've been thinking about with Bow
going into year two, when teams get a bit of
film on you, as in your first starting season, maybe
you catch some defenses by surprise a little bit, you
hang a bunch of poison yards on him, like they
did against the Cleveland Browns. But more than anything, that's
a little shot Shelby. You you go into year two
(04:14):
and now you're not surprising anybody. Now they know exactly
what your tendencies are. So as a quarterback going from
year one to year two, how do you sort of
not only build on what you did, but also sort
of keep defenses off balance who might know some tendencies
of yours.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Yeah, I mean it's diving into that playbook and learning
the offense even deeper, at the deepest level you can.
And like I said, you know, getting the ability to
predict and anticipate a little bit. He's seen, he's been
through the offense. I saw, you know, we saw fans.
Everybody saw multiple times. You know, if there wasn't something
there quick, he was pretty quick to drop the eyes,
(04:53):
take off and do something. And he got away with
it a lot of times, made phenomenal plays and going
to his left, going to his right, stepping up in
the pocket, extending plays. I can recall my rookie year
being a lot like that. I got in and all
of a sudden they thought I was sacked, and then
I pop out of there and the dbs had stopped running,
you know, And now that I go, stop covering your
(05:15):
guy and make Jake, make him make that pro He's
feared less he's not gonna throw out of bounds. He's
going to try to sling that thing thirty yards rolling
to his left, and sometimes it was good, and once
in a while it wasn't, so they stopped coming off
the receiver. So you'll see a lot more of trying
to keep him from doing what he does really well
and not as extending plays. And you know, how do
(05:37):
you do that? I don't know. The league has changed
so much that that's really the style we're seeing as
quarterbacks able to get the ball out quick and in
the hands of these athletes around them, but then when
they do drop back if something isn't there, their escapability
is phenomenal. I mean, we see across the league most
guys have some skills extending plays and eating something after
(06:01):
you would think it would be a loss. So he's
just going to have to continue to mature and grow
and I think the most important thing, and really who
needs to maybe go watch film as a fans and
understand that you're gonna just got to take what you
get this next year. First year amazing plan on the
same thing. It's not better, but he may not, you know,
(06:21):
he may not shine as Bride as he did that
rookie year because you've seen him already and understand though,
we got a leader, and that's the beautiful thing is
leaders are going to have their teams ready, and I
think he motivates that team and the players play hard
for hims.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
We're talking former Bronco great Jake Plumber. I was going
to ask him you you may have sort of just
glossed over it when you think back to your career,
and I think the game obviously has.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
Changed from when you came in.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
But still quarterbacks to come out of college the first
couple of years, what what two or.
Speaker 6 (06:52):
Three, three or four things.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
We're most sort of present in your game in terms
of having to adjust once you got into the league.
What are these young guys today, what what are two
or three of the key things that they have to
be aware of and adjust to.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Man, you know, you're coming into the best of the best,
So you know it's one thing to be your leader
in college and now being paid athlete in college and
making pid more money than most of anyone else on
the team, and now you're coming into the league where
these are these are the pros, are the best of
the best, and the rest has been weeded out. So
there's a part of really having the right kind of
(07:35):
mentality around leadership and knowing how to respect the players
that have done it and learn from them, but also
find your role on that team and what that sounds like,
looks like, feels like, so you can you know, really
assume that role. I mean, not every team wants a
quarterback to be a boisterous, loud leader, you know, but
(07:55):
they do want them to be a hard worker and
in the weight room early, and which is guys and
down the earth as much as you can be when
you're the face of the franchise. So you know, it's
it's a big jump. I mean that along with the
anticipation and get involves into tinier windows and no one
when to take those shots and when not to. You know.
(08:18):
I think a lot of these kids have been football
almost to this before they even leave college. So the
next level with the pros is just honing those skills
even more and finding a something place to be. I
think having a coach that can analyze you and is
a master at you know, putting together that little pieces
(08:38):
of a dynamic offense so that when one guy gets hurt,
it's not like, oh, no, but all right, now we're
going to see what this guy can do. And I
think when you have minds like that, you know, drafting,
maybe not the shiny object or the you know, the
one that people think, or maybe a guy who with
the slowest receiver in the combine right, four six one.
(08:59):
There's obviously something there that this kid does that is beautiful.
And that could be he's really good with the timing
on you know, progressions, because Bo needs to get that
down you know, one, two and I get the three
if not, that's where both is beautiful. So you know
that next level was just you know, getting in the
meeting rooms with your coaches, with your QB coach, with
(09:21):
the head coach, with your receivers, and making sure you
digest as much as you can for that next week.
You know that opportunity and now this year, next year
or two for both, that's really what he's got to
work on, and you know, just keep being the leader.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Love it.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Last one I have for you, Jake really appreciates time
as always, man, So I really enjoyed your story that
you you posted up on social media last week talking
about the draft and how excited it was when you
remember back to when you were drafted and when you
were coming into the league. What advice I guess would
you give rookies coming into the league.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
They just got drafted.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Their head's going to be on a swivel when they
get into rookie camp and then, I mean, it's already
been a whirlwind as it is in the pre draft process.
But well, what's sort of your message I guess to
young players rookies coming into the league.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yeah, you got to trust trust in yourself, you know,
and trust that you're you got drafted and someone saw
you and and look at this beautiful opportunity that's now
afforded you to to go in and figure it out,
do the best you can. Not all, not all draft
picks have long, lucrative careers. It's a very small margin
(10:30):
of those that make it, you know, past three years.
So you know, go in there with uh, you know,
full full confidence in yourself, knowing that it's going to
be hard. And there's guys out there that are six year,
seven year vets to that family and the lifestyle and
they're making the money that they feel comfortable with and
you're going to threaten them and so have a little
(10:51):
healthy oaths of respect for those before you that have
that have done it. Not even just the current players
that are older, but even the players like you know,
you guys Shelby, Dave, you know, the guy that played
you know, have that have that respect and reverence for
the game because it really hasn't changed much. Athletes had
because they're coming out of college with a lot more
money in their pockets than most of us or all
(11:12):
of us post you know, four or five years ago,
uh or four or five years ago. You know, it's uh,
it's just something to come into the league. But trusting yourself,
that's the main thing. And if you do that and
you show up and you work your butt off and
take the lumps and take the jive the jobing and
making fun of you and putting you down, you know,
(11:34):
if you can get through all that and trusting your abilities,
things good things can happen.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I dig it.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
And by the way, Shelby are crack staff your research
staff that it was against the Raiders that you had that.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Forty yard run.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
So Raiders there you go.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Yeah, appropriately against our division rival, So good job.
Speaker 7 (11:51):
It is it hard to remember like back, like you know,
obviously I'm going on your twelve right now. But is
it hard to remember specific moments from your career?
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah, I mean there's so many games. I mean, there
are a lot of There are a lot of times
and just certain games that stand out. And then there
are certain plays that you know, I'll never forget. So
I have the opportunity to make some pretty big plays
at opportune moments. So but yeah, and I could run
like that. I knew it was I Raiders were Chiefs.
I didn't say raiders. But uh no, I don't remember
(12:20):
a lot of plays. Man, there's no way, how would you.
I remember a lot of the dudes I played with
and those guys I played a games. That's a lot
of the fun things and remember.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Awesome, Jake, You're the best. We appreciate the time, man,
thank you.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Hey, you guys do well, have fun and peace, love
and mushrooms.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Oh you appreciate Jake, Jake Plummer the best.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Yeah, it's funny you're talking about specific plays. I'd say
if I ever challenged Dave on specific plays, usually your
your memory is remarkable.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Well that stuffy.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
I mean, I remember I remember plays like like Broncos plays.
But I think I think Jake's right probably if you
think back in my career as well before for his
you remember, you remember outcomes of games and maybe a
handful of plays, but you remember the dudes you played
with like a lot a lot more easily.
Speaker 7 (13:11):
And I remember, like I'm still playing and I still
can't remember specific things you know, from earlier in my career.
But one thing though, and it's always known and everyone
always talks about it, is you know, the one thing
that you always remember is the locker room and the
guys you played with. The one thing you're going to
miss is the locker room and the guys you played with. Yeah,
(13:34):
and you know that's what has guys hag on for
so long because.
Speaker 6 (13:38):
There's nothing really like it.
Speaker 7 (13:40):
Especially in football, because once you're done, you can't go
put the pads back on and just go play for fun,
you know, I mean, this is really this is it.
You can but nobody wants to see exactly, but like,
this is really it. This is once you're done, you're done,
and so you really got to enjoy every minute of
it because it's something that you know it won't ever
be replica.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Yeah, it's kind of a good point, right, I mean,
maybe with basketball you can sort of pick up the
basketball and go play a little bit. You could hoop
up a little bit with a lot of sports, be
right with football, it's over, man.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
Mean, you're not going to get in the backyard, put
the helmet on, get down in the three point stance
with the dog and say ready to go.
Speaker 7 (14:17):
Man. I might might blow some up that point, man,
but that's it. That's the greatest part just about football, though,
is that everybody kind of does know that this is
it and and that's why I feel like you do
play with so much emotion you do play because well, yeah,
like even everyone can talk about the money you make,
but that's not what got is starting to play football
(14:38):
when we first started playing, and those feelings, those emotions
you feel that on game day, you know what I mean.
So that's what you know gets me up at night.
That's that's what I'm going to miss when I'm done.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
I love that.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Before we get back to the Nuggets, just wanted to
follow up on the conversation with bo Nix on him
in year two. There was some interesting things he said there,
you know, about taking that next step and really kind
of diving into the playbook.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
And I'm so fascinated.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
I think that we all right now feel a bit
of optimism about his ability to learn, his ability to
lead as those things that Jake pointed out. But you
know those tendencies, man, I mean, that's that the tape
doesn't lie. And you know Shelby had his opinion about
what he saw out there in the field against the Browns.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Those same things are going to show up next year.
So how do you sort of build on that?
Speaker 6 (15:26):
Well, I mean, the Broncos have to get better. Bow
has to be better.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
And Sean has to make sure that while the foundation
of the offense stays the same, there's got to be
plenty of things that you do next year that you
didn't do last year. Because defensive coordinators, defensive coaches, they
spend the entire offseason looking at every single game and
(15:50):
breaking down especially like the Chiefs and the Raiders and
the Chargers. They'll look at the two games that they
played the Broncos and they'll look at that quarterback in
the offense and figure out what he likes, what he
was really good at, here's things he struggled against and
how can we be better against him this year? So
(16:11):
and the Broncos have been doing the same thing in
reverse for Bo. But I do think your question was
good in terms of from Jake's standpoint that second year
for a rookie quarterback going into his second year.
Speaker 6 (16:26):
And I don't have the stats in front of me, but.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
I think there is the possibility of guys coming back
to Earth a little bit. Doesn't mean he won't be
a good player, certainly doesn't mean he won't have a
good career. But you know, he came into this league
and the only tape that early in the season teams
had was him at Oregon or Auburn.
Speaker 6 (16:52):
Now they've got.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Seventeen games eighteen games actually of Bo Nicks in this
Broncos offense. So it's up to Sean and the coaching
staff here to change and continue to grow that offense
and have you know, a new flavor or two for
Bo to be able to choose.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
And I'm not gonna I'm not gonna let you.
Speaker 7 (17:14):
I'm not gonna let you sit here and try to
say that, oh I shall we said this or no.
If you look at the stats the Cleveland the game
against the Cleveland Browns and then the game two weeks
later because they had a bye recrat after our bow
nex is two worst games of the season.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Well, that's impossible to say, because the Seattle game and
the Jets game also happened.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
Well, if you look at the Seattle game, okay, percentage wise,
completion percentage wise, Cleveland was the worst game of the year,
and obviously the first two games of Seattle pitch we're
not even talking about, Okay, we're talking about when he
actually started getting rolling, like and and adver sent that
from Tampa Bay on. You know, So Cleveland was the
worst completion percentage of the year against.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
What do you attribute that to? Your back end?
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Here we go.
Speaker 7 (17:57):
I think it's a total defensive ever been, you know,
but even though is even if you're not getting sacks
and you're not, it's still about getting pressure and getting
his face and making them move off his spot, which
he had to do a lot that game. And then
the next game is Indy. You know, he struggled again
two for three, three touchdowns, three deceptions, and so my
analysis of him was just off of one game, which
(18:21):
actually ended up being one of his worst games of
the season. So, but if you look at all the
other games, hell of a game. And so that's what
happens though. You know, in the eighty quarterback you go
from having great games and you're gonna have one bad game.
So I think he's gonna recover. I think he's gonna
do good. But stop putting that, Stop putting it on me, stopt.
(18:41):
I can only go off of what I see, I
can know, and also I've made it, always made it
very clear. He looked way better. The games are four
is as he struggled against us, but also if you
look at the stats, you run a lot of man
to man. He struggled against a man of man. I'm
struggling right now, is running right now? Like, what do
(19:02):
you want from me? It's good, all right?
Speaker 2 (19:08):
So the Nuggets night. We'll come back to the Broncos
a little later.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
But the Nuggets tonight, Dave on Tuesday, we felt like
that was a Jamal Murray opportunity game, right.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
I think we were pretty clear on that.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
We said, boy, this would be one of those games
for Jamal to really show up. Are you going to
predict Jamal's the guy again tonight? Or do you have
somebody else in mind?
Speaker 6 (19:32):
No?
Speaker 5 (19:32):
I mean I think Jamal has to be now he
might not shoot it as well. As he shot it
in the last game. But I think he has to
be as aggressive. I want to see Jamal And again,
we talked about this after after Game five. I mean,
Jamal historically has been a guy that would come off
(19:53):
the high screen roll either pull up for a jump shot,
get it back to Jokich on the roll, or take
the ball to the basket. But he really has never
been a catch and shoot guy. And that element of
his game was evident in Game five where the ball
would swing he's got it outside three point range and
(20:17):
he just cast.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
And so I want to see that.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
I want to see him be as aggressive in getting
the ball to the basket because he clearly, I mean,
he's other than Jokic, he's their best scoring option.
Speaker 6 (20:32):
He's their best shooter.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
I know MPJ when he gets going, can knock it
down too, but so well they get forty three, probably not,
but I want to see him as aggressive as we
saw him in game five.
Speaker 7 (20:44):
Well, just as hot as he was. He was just
as cold the game before. So I think everyone would
be fine if you just got something in the middle,
you know, I mean, a consistent twenty.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
But I just want to see him shoot it.
Speaker 7 (20:55):
Yeah, I want to see him just I don't want
them to see him lose the confidence, just keep going.
But also who I don't want to see lose the
confidence is Michael Porter Junior. I know, like I've been
on here throughout the weeks and I've been pumping Michael
Porter Jr. Saying you know he I really truly believe
that he can be the X factor for them because
obviously you know what you're getting out of Aaron Gordon,
and you know what you're getting really out of all
(21:17):
the other guys. It's this Michael Porter Junior is the
one who one game will give you five, one game
will drop thirty.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
He's playing with one arm.
Speaker 7 (21:25):
Okay, that we don't use excuses in the sports world.
Don't play if you're too hurt to play, if you're
too hurt to play, don't play. We're not going to
use that excuses. Oh, Steph, You're not gonna get to me,
because here's the thing, he's the optal hurt to play.
But that's dirty play. They're playing dirty, intentially attacking Steph
(21:46):
Curry's arm. Michael Porter Junior shoulders hurt. Yes, he's choosing
to go out there and play, and he it's hurting.
It's hurting him, it's hurting the team. So you know
that's on him. You know, once you decide what a
just I love.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
How he's trusted himself in all sorts of.
Speaker 6 (22:04):
Nose as an athlete.
Speaker 7 (22:08):
If you choose to go on that court, I don't
want to hear anything about your injury. Like that's that's
the thing. That's a football mentality. That's how it's going
to be everywhere. And that's how I'm teaching my kids.
If you're gonna go out there and play, I don't
want to hear you complaining. Go out there and play
the game. We'll fixed all the other stuff later. But
during this game, and I don't want to hear any
talk about your injury or after the game when you
(22:30):
had to struggles, don't say I'm hurt. No, then you
shouldn't have played.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
You realize just you're moving the goalpost here.
Speaker 7 (22:39):
Because there's the thing. Steph Curry would be fine playing
with his hand. The thing is, though they're intentionally smacking
his hand.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
So if they intentionally Michael Porter Jr.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
Not though, but also a shoulder, that's a foul.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
Yeah, we had a texture that said something to that
effect that he thought the.
Speaker 6 (22:54):
Clippers were taken.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
I've seen that.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
Just Swipe said, I hadn't seen that before. I I
haven't seen it that I remember seeing it, but I
will be conscious of it.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
YEA.
Speaker 7 (23:05):
I will watch. That's all I can do. I'm an
imperfect man, but you can watch.
Speaker 6 (23:10):
I can.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
We'll leave you a chance to win.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
See their tickets coming up here in about seven minutes.
To listen for that queue to call this our chance.
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