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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Breaking down the Broncos draft and a lot of the
draft storylines, and we're going to continue to do that
as we head out to the Kai Commas Spirit Health.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hotline to bring on a very good friend of the program,
Trevor Sikama at Tampa Bay.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Trey good to always catch up with you, my friend John,
with Dave Logan, Ryan Edwards and Shelby Harris.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
How are you, guys. It's great to be with you.
I appreciate you having me on the show.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Man, We appreciate you coming on the show. So how
did from a national perspective, how did you look at
the Broncos draft?
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I loved it, I really did. You could tell that
Sean Payton's got his fingerprints all over this thing, but
I mean that in a good way. He's been one
of the better coaches in the NFL over the last
two decades. I love to think of John A. Barn
You know, I can't help him think a little bit
if Tampa Bay doesn't take a decade book at nineteen?
Is he the pick there for the Broncos at number twenty?
But Alas think Buga was off the board and instead
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of going with an offensive joker like we heard him
reference at the combine. He sort of goes to the
defensive player that he played basically everywhere during his college
career at Texas. He played safety, he played slot, he
played on the outside, and he just shows that he's
the game. Good football players. So I love that pick there.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
That felt like.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
VPA r j RVY is my boy. I mean, this
is somebody who I labeled as one of my guys
throughout this draft class. He was pretty high on my
RB rankings, even in a stack running that class. So shoot,
he even went sooner than I thought he was going
to go, But I think that he's got RB one
potential there. Pat Bryant, good football player. I thought it
was a little bit early for him, especially for other
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receivers that were on the board at the time, but hey,
there aren't many proven X receivers in this class, and
if Brian was the one who they gravitated towards from
you know, interviews or just really liking his tape, you've
got somebody who could play on the line of scrimmage,
knows how to get off press coverage, knows how to
fight through the hand, fighting through the routes, and he'll
obviously block his butt off too, so he got to
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love that. I think Saveon Jones is a great Quandarius
Robinson two great additions to that defense. I think Taylor
Looner obviously is Jeremy Crosshaw. If he could end up
being the starting putter of that's great. But Tyler Blowner
is really fun too. I'm not sitting here and saying
that he's automatically Jimmy Graham, but this is somebody who
with a basketball background. Again, Sean Payton just knows how
to get these guys to sort of transition from the
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hardwood to the gridiron and have sort of success even
its streamlined role. So I felt like this draft was
very Sean Payton, very clearly. The Broncos were hitting the
gap pedal to say, hey, we were at top ten,
top five defense in a lot of metrics last year.
Let's be top three, if not the best defense in
the NFL. And so I'm excited to see this team
in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
No Black, no rum, that's right, Bryant, right, Trevis Shelby here, sir.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Just regarding r. J.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
Harvey, obviously a lot of fans were kind of surprised
with him coming out to board so early. But does
that negate them or do you see them pairing him
up and going to go get a veteran like a
Nick Chubb or a JK. Dobbins.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Yeah, I don't think it takes anything away. I mean,
it sort of depends on what they would think of
the rest the guys on the Rosster like macmillan. An
estimate is really the one that I look to and say, hey,
you know, this is the guy who graded really well
for as a PFF when he was at Notre Dame,
especially that last year that he was there. He's got
that bigger body, he's got that power profile. Do they
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believe in his long term ability to sort of be
the smash of the smash and dash combination there with
him and R. J. Rvey Harvey? I think to kind
of do it all for you. But if you were
going to lean into one of his strengths or lean
into one of those categories and roles, you would say
that he's more of the lightning to the thunder. So
I don't think that it keeps you from signing a
guy like Nick Chobb. Obviously, chows been one of the
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best running backs in the NFL. While he's been healthy.
Help is the reason why he'd be available, certainly, But
I don't think it takes away from the idea that
you would want to bring a veteran in, especially for
the expanded roster that you get during training camp. You know,
if he's still left out there and he's not gonna
cost you a pretty penny, bring him in. See what happens.
Maybe he can be that RB two for you, Maybe
he can be somebody that is a compliment by commit.
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But the more I look at it, the more I
think that that R. J. Harvey really can be the
lead back for this team.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Travis Stigma joining us here from Pro Football Focus. We'll
go back to Jadda Barron, and I think the Broncos
ultimately selected him because they didn't think he'd be there
at pick twenty. Do you agree with that assessment that
you didn't think he would make it all the way
to twenty And do you think he plays predominantly in
the slot early on or would you like to see
him more on the outside. That's been an early debate
here in Denver.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Yeah, so I really wasn't exactly sure where Joddy Barron
was going to go, because you know, it's interesting just
being a draft analyst, you have your own evaluation on guys,
but you know that sometimes the NFL thinks a little
bit differently. And it felt like Jodday Barron, consensus wise,
was a little bit lower than where I had him ranked.
I had him miss CB two in this class, you know,
considering a Hunter Travis Hunter as CB one. But I
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had Jodday I think, right around eleven twelfth overall on
my big board. So I was a big fan of
player at times throughout the season. I had him just
in the top ten at about eight or nine. So
I really love his game, and I wasn't exactly sure
how much the NFL thought the same. You know, this
is somebody who, like I said, he started his career
really playing safety for Texas and then he sort of
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turned into this like apex slot nickel defender for them,
and I thought he was good enough to leave a
declare for the draft after the twenty twenty three NFL season.
Now that's before he played the out wide cornerback spot
that we saw him play this past season, and the
fact that he went back to Texas sure, you know,
like nil helped make it a national championship run. Like,
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that's all very alluring, but if you get a first
round grade, I think that you almost always go to
the draft. Most players would go to the draft and
get a first round grade. So it made me think, okay, well,
is the NFL is just a little bit lower on
him anyways, because after that twenty twenty three season he
must have not gotten to first round grade for them.
How much do they really bump him up after playing
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well on the outside, albeit just one year at an
outside corner, and let's face it, really had the length
of a typical outside corner as well, shorter arms, much
shorter arms than a guy that you would want playing outside.
So I thought his range was anywhere from I think
starting at number eleven overall in the San Francisco forty
nine ers, he could have been considered there all the
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way to number twenty six for the Los Angeles Rams
were picking. I would have told you that that was
the range for Baron and so Denver. Obviously it'smack dab
in the middle of that, But if you ask me,
I think you should have gone to Miami at number thirteen.
Definitely needing a new cornerback there because it feels like
Jaala Ramsey's time is taking down in Miami. I thought
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that he would have been a perfect pick there. He
could have been in consideration at number fourteen as well
fifteen of the Atlanta Falcons. They had a big cornerback
neat at the time before they addressed that a little
bit later in the draft. So I can understand them
not thinking that he would be there at twenty, but
I always did believe that somewhere within that range was
the reality for him. And then, so answering the second
part of the question, I would I'd probably give him
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a chance to play outside corner, and if that is
where he is most advantageous to you, then you could
put him on one side and patch your can.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
On the other.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Good lord, that's that's quite the cornerback duo. But I
think it's that flexibility that you're never gonna want to
take out of him. You're not gonna you're not gonna
want to put that away. You're gonna want that to
be a reason why you drafted him at twenty, because
he could do so many different things for you.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
And then my.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
Last question here is our is obviously they dropped Pat
Bryan in the third round, and so are the Broncos
looking at us that as a, you know, a possible
way to move on from Courtland Sudden, or is it
just a they thought it was just the best receiver
right there that they that's what they wanted.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
I think it's more of the latter. You know, Certainly,
if hey, pap Ryan plays incredibly well and they feel
like he is that Courland Sudden replacement, I suppose that
that's the reality that could manifest. But I just I
looked at their wide receiver room and certainly before they
drafted Pap Ryan, it was really Courland Sudden and then
not a lot of other receivers on the roster that
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you just felt comfortable playing on the line of scrimmage,
having in contested catch situations, being able to play in
the red zone, you know, like MEM's and Franklin and
you know, guys like that, Like those guys are great
in those speed situations where you're kind of stretching the field,
you're doing things over the middle of those deep crossers,
those those you know, flop phades even like taking screen
paths and try to get yuards after catch. They're much
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more speed predicated players. And I think that Brian can
certainly exist in a world with Corland Sudden, because now
you can think about, all right, well, what if we're
going out there and we're playing these condensed sets, so
it's eleven personnel, or maybe it's twenty one personnel, but
we're just playing with guys who are in a little
bit more condensed sets. Wide receivers that are close to
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the line of scrimmage, but we want them to be
able to block. We got to have that strength, and
I think that Brian just gives you more option there.
So certainly he could be a potential Quotum Sutton replacement,
but I don't think they're drafting him thinking like, yes,
this guy is absolutely going to be here for the
long term and Sutton is not well, So.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
You mean like a Tim Patrick for a place for him.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
You know, or the next Michael Thomas.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I mean, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
She always trying to talk some trash. Last one. Always
great to catch up with the tray.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
First of all, By the way, congratulations on making it back.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
On the ice.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I saw Gabe Landiskog. I don't think you guys have
been in the same room ever. At the same time,
very very handsome anyways, just wanted to ask you about
based on the way that they finished they put together
with free agency with Mafanga and green Law and Evan
Ingram and now with this draft, how do you feel
about the Broncos this upcoming season.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Yeah, that's the only hockey that we're going to talk.
Do not ask me about my Dampa Bay Lightning or
I might have because.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
I would never. I would never, I really do.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
I love the way that they attack things. And I
think that when you go into an off season for
NFL teams and you're sort of thinking about what they
could do, a lot of times we focus on the weaknesses,
right We say, hey, they need to get better here,
they need to focus on this area, this is where
their weakest on the roster. And obviously I think that
that is the regular but there is also the side
of things where you go, why don't we just make
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a strength even stronger? And I think that when we
looked at the Denver Broncos, a lot of people probably
looked at them and said they're good on defense, right again,
like they were top ten, he's not top five, and
a lot of metrics last year, and I think a
lot of people said, like, Okay, yeah, we're good to go.
They're a top ten defense in the NFL, and very
clearly they weren't satisfied with that. And they have given
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Van Joseph just so many different weapons that he's going
to be able to throw at opposing quarterbacks and offensive
coordinators this upcoming year, and they have you know, increased
not only the veteran leadership with those guys getting in there,
but that postseason experience. These are players who can absolutely
fly around the field and those are sort of in
the areas where I think they might have needed upgrades
on defense. And so you pair that with adding John A. Barron,
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adding those two guys as depth players along the defensive line.
In my opinion, this is this is absolutely a top
three defense in the NFL, and it's going to be
a big talking point as why you were going to
see the Broncos be one of those quote unquote sneaky
playoff teams that people might bet on to make a
little bit of a run this upcoming season. Ton depends
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on how much you believe in bon Nix, But what
you can debate is how good this defense is going
to be, because I think it really can be top tier.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Trevor, You're the best man. Appreciate it as always my friend.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Thanks you guys anytime.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
All nice.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Trevor Sikima, lead NFL draft analysts for Pro Football Focus.
The reason I brought that up is when Gabe Landiscog
made his return to the Avs, everybody was tagging him
on Twitter saying, hey, congratulations on getting back on the
ice because they look very similar.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
Wow, very interesting. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
So he was like, He's like, please stop tagging me this,
this is not me. I'm not I'll escape.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
For the as And there was a lot of people saying, well,
we've never seen you both in the same room at
the same time. Just please set Kawa as a preset today,
which also you can set Kay with Sports as a
preset on the iHeartRadio app. Well, we'll come back to
the Broncos here in just a little bit, but we
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have Jake Plummer joining us at five o'clock. We were
just talking about the Nuggets game tonight, Nuggets and As
basically playing at the exact same time.
Speaker 6 (12:12):
Dave, how are you feeling? How are you feeling about tonight?
I feel goods I feel good? Oh you mean about
Game six? I think the Avs. I think the Avs
will win for sure.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Okay, well, here we go.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
And I think the Nuggets again, can you count on
Jamal Murray going for forty three? I don't know if
he has the same mindset I think we talked about yesterday.
I think they'll be two or three times in the game.
The Clippers are going to play on emotion home crowd,
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you know, they want to send it to Game seven.
They'll be two or three surges in the game where
the Nuggets have to withstand from an emotional standpoint, the
barrage coming at him. If they can withstand that and say,
you know what, that's fine, We'll come back and do
that a couple of times. I think the Nuggets will
win tonight. If not, then I think there's gonna be
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Game seven. Now you say, well, which one is it.
I think the Nuggets will win the game tonight.
Speaker 7 (13:15):
Okay, because said can definitely. Oh sorry that was off here.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
I think that the Avalanche will win and get it
to a Game seven. Also, I do believe that the
Nuggets will lose and it will go to a Game seven.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
And the Star six and a half point favorite. So
you're you're on the side.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
Yeah, I think they will, But I think the Nuggets
will win the series overall.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Here we go. I believe.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
I don't like to going to Game seven with this crew. Nope,
it's just the Nuggets.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
You just don't know what team you're getting every time
to go out there, you know what I mean, Like
you said, it's all going to drop forty of this game.
It's Joker going to make his free throws this game.
It's Michael Porter Junior going to show up, you know
what I mean? And you just don't know. It's so
many always if ans and butts about the Nuggets, and
so you know, I don't think.
Speaker 7 (14:04):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
I don't think they're going to take the Golden State
approach by just complete the saying screw this game and
that weird. You guys got it, We'll come back the
next game.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Yeah, because they got down with those like fourteen points by.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
The by the fourth quarter, they ended up being down
by thirteen. Geez, and with the with their backup say.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
They kept starts out.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Yeah, So I don't I've never seen an approach like that.
Will it come back to bite them?
Speaker 4 (14:24):
And ask?
Speaker 5 (14:25):
I don't know, But I do believe that the Nuggets
will eventually win a series and it goes to seven.
But I don't think we necessarily will see that Nuggets team.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
We saw last game.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
I think it's they're all fair takes.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
I sit here and say, I felt like this was
a seven game series from the very beginning. I love
your point, Dave about the barrage that's going to happen
early in this game. That's exactly what it feels like.
And what's the mental fortitude of this team? And I think,
I think, I just don't know.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
I think the guy that I would worry about would
be Kawhi. Yeah, I think more so than James. I
think Christian Brown's done. I mean, if you go look
at the what Christian Brown's done against the Beard in
the time he's been on him, He's made it very,
very tough on him. Now again, he knows how to score,
he knows how to get to the free throw line.
But I like that matchup and I think Ag is
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about as good, and I said this yesterday too, about
as good as we have in the league at being
quick enough to stay in front of Kawhi, but being
strong enough that he can hang in there a bit.
Kawhi really takes advantage of mismatches, so the Nuggets don't
have another good match for him. Right when Jamal's on him,
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not physically, not a good match. And even when Christian
Brown is on Kawhi not really good, not strong enough,
but ag is And so I think those those two,
those two defensive matchups are going to be fun to
watch again.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
I just, I really just hope that the Nuggets come
to play today too. Honestly, I feel James hard going
to drop forty forty forty. It's over it's overdue, it's overdue.
And the thing is, like you said about Christian Brown, mean.
Speaker 7 (16:08):
Well, he's had him medium well steak for baked potato.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Yeah, I mean well, yeah, I'll take you up on that.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
So you bet me a steak dinner that the Beard
gets forty tonight. Yep, that beyonder the Yeah, well.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
He might be the only one that scores, but he's
gonna get his. Okay watching score thirty nine, I will
come back. I want to keep talking about this score.
Forty one.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Nuggets and Abs going out tonight.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Although we were arguing in the break for just a
moment about Dylan Brooks intentionally trying to swipe at the
hands of Steph Curry, knowing that his thumb is injured.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Shelby taking offense. Dave, what do you think I mean?
Speaker 5 (16:55):
Don't don't just sit here and say I'm taking a fence.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
You're you're offended.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
No, I'm offended. Geez, you were.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
You were offended by Dylan Brooks.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
I'm offended by something that had nothing didn't happen to me. No,
that's not true. I had, I said it was. Yeah,
I'm not offended. I could care less.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Do you think it's dirty?
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Ryan's the only one I sitting here trying to defend it.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
He's part of the game.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Part of the game.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
It's not part of the game. But you like, you're
making that conceited show. If you don't know much about
the game, if you watch those, if you if you think,
if you think, well, listen, dude, if you think intentionally
trying to hurt somebody, that's part of the sports, part
of the game. It's not what I would do. What's that?
I'm sorry? No, I mean, I'm getting used to getting interrupted,
So go ahead and tell me what you said.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
I said, you's swiping at the basketball.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
I got no problem with that. But if you look
at it, which I didn't even realize it was a
story until I looked up here. It's like, oh man,
he's intentionally trying to hit his thumb. I mean, that's
that's That's what I'm saying that that's and and you
can't let that. I mean you, that's just cheap. And
and he's to me, he's he's one of these fake
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tough guys. And so I mean, guys like that seriously
just need to get their ass knocked off one time
and then maybe stop.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
See Ryan, if if that was Draymond I was doing that,
we would not hear the end of it from you.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
And that's a fact like that. I don't mean like
he'd be suspended, all all this all this dirt. He's dirty.
I don't mean we would never hear the end from Ryan,
but we would never hear the end from TV people,
from national people, because Draymond has that reputation more than
Dylan Brooks.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
So yeah, I think the biggest issue is that it's
not a basketball play because from you know, he's obviously
we just saw a couple of highlights, but it was
no attempt to trying to block the ball. It's intentionally
just going after your hand and you know, usually basketball,
you're trying to guard the best player on like you know,
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the best shooter ever. But no, you're just trying to
swipe in his hand and try to get him out
of there. So I always tell you what's going to happen,
is is going to happen next game. It's going to
do it, and the NBA's gonna nip that in the
button and say, nah, that's a foul. And then honestly,
you may see some type of other no, some type
of fine, because that's just not a basketball play. Like
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the whole point of sports is you're not you know,
it's to compete and obviously to win, but doing it
the right way, that's not the right way. That's and
like my day said, that's that's like a fake tough
guy thing. And I and that's one thing I can
honestly I would you would never see Draymond doing something
like that, and they might stop uspice chest, but.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
That's play.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
But the dude was holding on to his leg and
he tried to pull it and the other stomp was unnecessary.
But it makes sense, like this is a blatant attempt,
Like imagine somebody tried to do something like that to
Lebron you, they would nip that in the butt right away.
So it's happening in Steph Curry, so it's not going
to keep And and also the issue is he's so
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blatantly's looking I'm doing it. That's dumb because it's literally
a foul. You're hit, you're hitting his follow through on like,
that's a foul. So you just brought attention to that. Also,
so good job, Oh, don't do that. How you start
off an argument about Dylan Brooks for Draymond.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Green, they're playing each other, You're quite literally playing against
one of the dirtiest players in the history of the game.
Guy stomps on people, he kicks people in the growing
he kicked ahead growing kid I multiple times. He's kicked
multiple times, like he's been objected from games.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
So were done measuring two.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Teams going against each other at the same time, and
you're saying Dylan Brooks is dirtier than Draymond Green, which
is insane.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
Well, Dylan Brooks is intentionally letting him known that he's
trying to hurt his opponent every game so that he
can't go compete.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
So Draymond accident.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
That happens.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
And you know, you know, fouls and and and flagrants
and stuff like that of passion are different than intentionally
and calculated trying to hurt somebody. That's what you're getting
mixed up. He's calculating that if he goes and he
takes out Steph Curry's arm, that he does, that he
won't have to face him, and that's a better chance.
That's winning Draymon's is playing with passion. Those are two
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completely different things. And and one I would actually argue
that playing with passion is not dirty. Being calculated and
intentionally trying to harm your opponent that's dirty because he
brought up to you know, if someone has a sprained ankle,
you attack it, Yeah, you attack it by trying to
make them run because they can't move. I'm not sitting
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here trying to kick you in the ankle or like
when we fallter around, trying to twist your angle to
make it hurt. Because I'm a real competitor. So when
I go out there, I want to beat you, and
not just because I hurt you. I want to beat you.
And that's why I think that's soft, Like that's that's
some soft stuff. Play the game of basketball wet then hoop.
That's what you're can pay to go out there and hoop. Dave,
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do you agree that I think that.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
I mean, Draymond's done some things that I don't agree
with for sure. I I don't think the kick in
this last game or the game before on saying well,
how do you see his name?
Speaker 2 (22:26):
I think it's San Goon.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
I don't. I didn't, and I looked at it closely
because it was Draymond. I didn't. I didn't think that
was actually an intent intentional kick of the head. But
Draymond's done stuff that you know, I don't like, and
I don't think there's any place in the game for
that said, I mean, what what Dylan Brooks is doing,
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And like Shelby said, he's not smart enough to figure
out that you shouldn't be admitting it in talking about
it with pride afterwards, like yeah, I'm trying to hit him,
trying to hit his some every every single time he
shoots the ball, Well, that just makes you not very smart.
So yes, I think, I mean the way you know
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he's an agitator, so's Draymond. But I'm I wouldn't be
surprised next game in the Bay Area, if there's some
backscreens set on Dylan Brooks that are fairly significant. Mm hm.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
Has anyone ever said that this is not who Draymond is. No,
but you hear a lot of the NBA people saying
this is not who Dylan Brooks is. And so you're
intentionally trying to be somebody else, and you know you're
trying to be this agitator. You're trying to do this. Well,
you're playing with that line and you you're overstepping in
at this time.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Okay, fair enough, And like I said, I think Steve
Kerr in some of his comments in the post game
is more or less planting the seed for them to
keep an eye on that.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
That's just what a good veteran coach.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
And then he was well, I mean Steve kerm made
the comment, and so they brought it to doing Brooks like, hey,
this literally.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
I'll tell you this if I'm in the game, and
and and the rest didn't say anything, and I get
to hug the line of scrimmage. You think I'm gonna
go after the game and be like, yeah, man, that
the ref let me hug be as close as possible
to the line of scrimmage, and that's really what what
helped me. No, no, because that's a dumb thing to do,
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and so what didn't Brooks it up there, like that's
a dumb thing to do. It's just not smart. And
also it's just taking away from the fact that your
team just won the last game. Like now we're talking
about how you're hitting steps Curry's hand and so everyone's like,
that's the only reason you're you guys won, you know
what I mean. So it's just you know, you want
you want to beat the best, but don't do it
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in a dirty way.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Okay, all right, Well that's uh, I guess I will
agree to disagree on that, and it feels like a
little bit more of part of the game to me.
But uh, going since to night with the Nuggets in
the Avalanche, they a wile to start with you here,
you said your phone pretty good about the Nuggets. Are
you feeling better about the Nuggets or the Ads opportunity tonight?
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Well, you probably would say the Avs because they're home,
and the Ads are actually favored, and the Nuggets are
a rather decisive underdog. So I would say if that's
the question, I would say the Avs. The Aves are
going to know you can't lose. You lose, you're done.
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So I think they'll come out and play with some desperation.
I think they'll find a way to win, and then
we'll have Game seven in Dallas, which would be a big,
big deal. I still think the Nuggets will win tonight,
or at least I say they're certainly capable of winning.
I think you find out a lot about your team
tonight with the way the Nuggets come out and do
they have an intent of saying, hey, we're here to
try to close this out, or do they fall back
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on the well and we're eleven down and we do
have Game seven. If they do that, then it will
not end well.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
If they do that, then I'll be worried about Game seven,
because that's not That's not a mindset you want to
instill in your players of oh wee get up next time.
Oh like you're telling them to quit just like you. You know,
we talked about it during the break about how the
Warriors just pretty much gave up on you know that
last game. It was like, oh, you guys got it,
we got another chance to do this again.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Like that.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
That doesn't necessarily breathe confidence into like my players. It's like, oh,
I just want to quit and then going and then
hopefully we win the next one. But what you're talking
about between who has the better chance, I think the
APS do, obviously because they're at home, and also just
because of how bad the last game was, losing sixty two.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
I think the.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
APPS were to come out, you know what, something to prove,
and obviously they're playing for their livelihood right now. So
I believe the APS will win, you know, the Apps are.
I think they're going to end up winning the series. Uh,
you know, I believe in the ABS and and and
I just think their star power will come through when
it needs to.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
I feel pretty good about the AS series coming into
this thing against the Stars. I like their chances tonight,
But just for a moment, the ramifications if you lose
in the first round. I mean, Dave, we said for
a while that the Stars represent a really tough matchup.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
This was like a month.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Ago when we said that, because we thought that's who
they were gonna play. The Stars then proceeded to go
on a pretty significant slide. At that time, it was like, oh,
really like the AS chances because the Stars are playing terrible.
Now the Stars have battled back, they're starting to really
find their form, So it's not out of the realm
of possibility they lose tonight. The Stars have won on
the as ice. In fact, last year, remember they won
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all the games on the as ice, which was really
tough moment for that team.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
So ramifications.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
If you were bounced in the first round after all
the moves, the bevy of moves that Chris McFarland and
that front office did this season, what do you say
to yourself and to the fan base after it.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Yeah, that's a tough one. I think that I think
that people got a little bit and Ryan, you and
I talked about this a couple of weeks ago. I
think people because the Stars in their last seven games,
I think we're five five and two, and so they
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didn't get a win. They lost Game one, and then
you know, yet everybody talking about what they have. Man,
this is going to be a sweep. Abs are going
to sweep and then the Ads I'll play them really
in game two, but the Stars find a way excuse me,
game three and the Stars find a way to win.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
You look up and they've got a two to one lead,
and they've been in front, you know, less than a
minute or a little little more than a minute in
the entire series. So Dallas is tricky from a defensive
standpoint because they they can make really good skating teams
look pretty average. I think they're really well coached. They
shrinked the ice. There's not a lot of room. And
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so to answer your question specifically, it should they Ads
lose tonight and lose the series. I mean I think that,
you know, I think that's tough on Jared bed I
don't know what the As would do, but I think
I think the franchise and those who run the franchise
expect this year not to end in the first round,
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even though they're playing that's a hard matchup for the Abs.
They got a really good hockey team. They would almost
rather play anybody else in the West in Round one
than the Stars.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
I just think, obviously, you know, we have the feel
good score, the field story of Lamdaskalk coming back. They
got to get over that. Now they got to go
out there and actually go play hockey. You know, we
can't keep talking about these feel goods. They have to
go out there and play some good hockey. And you know,
they have really a majority of the series, and like
you said, they've only really the Stars have only had
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to lead for a small small part of the series.
So I believe the starting the Stars will falter and
the Abs will get this win. But it's a matter
of just playing team hockey and the defense really coming
through after the performance we had last game and really
helping the goalieut and stopping the shots on goals.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
It's a weird deal, right, I mean, momentum and playoff
series specifically, because you come off the game for performance
from the Abs and they look like they're about to
run this thing, like everything was going right, Gabe Landskog
hitting a goal in that one, and then they go
out to Dallas and Dallas did everything right. And tough
performance from Blackwood. I mean from nine seconds in, you
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just felt like it wasn't the Avs night. And so
it's the ebbs and flows, And I know it's the
same thing really for basketball too, for the Nuggets and Clippers.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
It's been like that.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
But it's just a weird footing for tonight's game because
I agree, I think the ABS bounce back. I got
the home ice opportunity here to extend the season. But
then you talk about momentum, and for being honest, the
momentums on the Dallas side. Right now, momentum has been
seized by Dallas. Now, will Blackwood have as bad a game?
Speaker 2 (30:53):
I doubt it.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
I think he'll have a better performance tonight. But will
Cale mccar show up? Dave, we talked about this just
two days ago. You know, cal mccar has not had
a good series, and if he doesn't show up tonight,
I don't know, Man, this thing coul get ugly.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
It's time.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Yeah, I would bet on cal mccarr. I would agree.
I don't. He probably hasn't had the kind of series
that everybody wanted him to have, But I you know,
I would bet that mccarr shows up in a big way.
I think the Abs win tonight, and I think they
forced Game seven, And I'm with Shelby. I think they
go down to Dallas and find a way to win
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a very tough game on the road and advance to
the next round.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
I'm saying, as by too, there we go, as why too?
I feel like it's it's gonna adds when I'm control
of this whole game. Okay, you know I mean, I believe,
you know, after just watching him play, honestly, because I
don't even watch that much hockey, but I love playoff hockey,
you know what I mean. It's nothing like watching them
playoff hockey, you know what I mean. But I just
think that the Alves have a lot of speed and
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they're going to use it. And and like you said,
mycar is gonna come out there and actually actually make
his presence known early.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Back to the Nuggets here for a second, and you're
a stake bet on James Harden. I mean, it's not
on the wrong possibility of that. James Harden has a
bounce back performance. I agree, forty seems like a that's
a pretty significant jump from when he gets eleven this
last game.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
Okay, that's what Jamal Murray does it whole time.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
He's done it six times.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
Yeah, but also James Harden. Don't forget James Harden disappears
in the playoffs, not often, but don't don't. Let's not.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
Let's not let the recent events cut our judgment of
who James Harden is like, please, he's not. James Harden
is still one of the best offensive threats.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
In the NBA, and he has been.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
He has been his whole career, and that's why he
is liable to go off to the playoffs. Except I
would say except in Denver.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
No, no, no, in the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
Well no, because I do remember a series where James
Harden was going crazy against the Bucks until Kyrie got hurt,
and then that's when the Bucks won the championship.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
That I think if you go talk to people in
Oak City or Houston or Brooklyn and say, hey, is
the Beard the same guy in the regular season? Is
he the same guy that guy in the postseason, I
think you get you get some clap back.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
Well, we will see, we will see because in the playoffs,
man quick googling the hell out of this, because because
in the playoffs James Harden, I won't just let me
go over all, right, Yeah, he struggled a little bit.
I keep that one, Okay. Yeah, you know, looking at this,
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you know he hasn't you know, had his best best
games in the playoffs. But it's still better than me. No,
I'm not going anywhere. I'm not going anywhere because you
know why, because.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
Yes, well he's capable of getting forty. But I can
tell you this, you know, the only thing I would
worry about in terms of James Harden having a night
like that is if something happened to Christian Brown. Christian
Brown has been in the Beard's beard, so to speak to.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
But also, you know, I'm looking I am looking at
these stats, and the issue I guess is when he
does not when he doesn't do good, he really doesn't
do good.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
You're talking about like five nine points. Okay, is that
in the postseason.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
But that's what I'm looking at, imalking about when he
doesn't do good in the postseason, he really struggles. Okay,
So what are you saying when he does Like obviously
the last two games have him been great for really
you want to get into that, you want to get
out I believe in his bad No you don't. I'm not.
And it's just like, yeah, the last you know this
this series alone, he had a really he had game
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one thirty two After that is eighteen, twenty fifteen, and eleven,
and last year when in their series he he had
one thirty point game, one twenty eight game, twenty eight
point games.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Then it was kind of.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Down from there, pretty consistent.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
But two years ago, five years ago.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
At one point two years ago, he had a couple
of forties.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
So that's what I'm saying. So when he does get going,
he gets going.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
We've seen James Harden's score that nobody's disputing.
Speaker 5 (35:31):
That's what I'm saying. So I'm saying he's going to
score today.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Okay, But also I still you should have picked thirty though.
I'm just throwing that because.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
That's no fun. No, it's no fun to bet thirty forty.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
You probably wouldn't got to stake that out of the exactly.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
I probably would have got like some popcorn.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Yeah, I don't know dat you take a bet of
thirty like, like's just for argument's sake, James harden sake.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
Of the show. Sure, I'd bet many, but forty. I like,
I feel a bit about this forty though, because I'm
not gonna lie like you. I'm what you do, stay stats.
You look at these postseason steads and I'm liking, well,
Dan and I'm liking it you are and I'm liking it.
I see, I see his thing. I see a bunch
of forties in here for like a forty one, forty five.
I see a bunch of those, seeing thirteens, I'll see
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some eleven's I've seen some fourteen some sixteens in there too. Well,
I just believe that, you know, in order for and
I'm saying it's in order for the Clippers to survive,
he has to have a type game like that.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
All Right, we'll come back to the Nuggets here in
just a little bit. We have Jake Plumber joining us
coming up next. Looking forward to that. And I'll be
a next on key Away
Breaking down the Broncos draft and a lot of the
draft storylines, and we're going to continue to do that
as we head out to the Kai Commas Spirit Health.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hotline to bring on a very good friend of the program,
Trevor Sikama at Tampa Bay.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Trey good to always catch up with you, my friend John,
with Dave Logan, Ryan Edwards and Shelby Harris.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
How are you, guys. It's great to be with you.
I appreciate you having me on the show.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Man, We appreciate you coming on the show. So how
did from a national perspective, how did you look at
the Broncos draft?
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I loved it, I really did. You could tell that
Sean Payton's got his fingerprints all over this thing, but
I mean that in a good way. He's been one
of the better coaches in the NFL over the last
two decades. I love to think of John A. Barn
You know, I can't help him think a little bit
if Tampa Bay doesn't take a decade book at nineteen?
Is he the pick there for the Broncos at number twenty?
But Alas think Buga was off the board and instead
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of going with an offensive joker like we heard him
reference at the combine. He sort of goes to the
defensive player that he played basically everywhere during his college
career at Texas. He played safety, he played slot, he
played on the outside, and he just shows that he's
the game. Good football players. So I love that pick there.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
That felt like.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
VPA r j RVY is my boy. I mean, this
is somebody who I labeled as one of my guys
throughout this draft class. He was pretty high on my
RB rankings, even in a stack running that class. So shoot,
he even went sooner than I thought he was going
to go, But I think that he's got RB one
potential there. Pat Bryant, good football player. I thought it
was a little bit early for him, especially for other
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receivers that were on the board at the time, but hey,
there aren't many proven X receivers in this class, and
if Brian was the one who they gravitated towards from
you know, interviews or just really liking his tape, you've
got somebody who could play on the line of scrimmage,
knows how to get off press coverage, knows how to
fight through the hand, fighting through the routes, and he'll
obviously block his butt off too, so he got to
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love that. I think Saveon Jones is a great Quandarius
Robinson two great additions to that defense. I think Taylor
Looner obviously is Jeremy Crosshaw. If he could end up
being the starting putter of that's great. But Tyler Blowner
is really fun too. I'm not sitting here and saying
that he's automatically Jimmy Graham, but this is somebody who
with a basketball background. Again, Sean Payton just knows how
to get these guys to sort of transition from the
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hardwood to the gridiron and have sort of success even
its streamlined role. So I felt like this draft was
very Sean Payton, very clearly. The Broncos were hitting the
gap pedal to say, hey, we were at top ten,
top five defense in a lot of metrics last year.
Let's be top three, if not the best defense in
the NFL. And so I'm excited to see this team
in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
No Black, no rum, that's right, Bryant, right, Trevis Shelby here, sir.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Just regarding r. J.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
Harvey, obviously a lot of fans were kind of surprised
with him coming out to board so early. But does
that negate them or do you see them pairing him
up and going to go get a veteran like a
Nick Chubb or a JK. Dobbins.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Yeah, I don't think it takes anything away. I mean,
it sort of depends on what they would think of
the rest the guys on the Rosster like macmillan. An
estimate is really the one that I look to and say, hey,
you know, this is the guy who graded really well
for as a PFF when he was at Notre Dame,
especially that last year that he was there. He's got
that bigger body, he's got that power profile. Do they
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believe in his long term ability to sort of be
the smash of the smash and dash combination there with
him and R. J. Rvey Harvey? I think to kind
of do it all for you. But if you were
going to lean into one of his strengths or lean
into one of those categories and roles, you would say
that he's more of the lightning to the thunder. So
I don't think that it keeps you from signing a
guy like Nick Chobb. Obviously, chows been one of the
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best running backs in the NFL. While he's been healthy.
Help is the reason why he'd be available, certainly, But
I don't think it takes away from the idea that
you would want to bring a veteran in, especially for
the expanded roster that you get during training camp. You know,
if he's still left out there and he's not gonna
cost you a pretty penny, bring him in. See what happens.
Maybe he can be that RB two for you, Maybe
he can be somebody that is a compliment by commit.
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But the more I look at it, the more I
think that that R. J. Harvey really can be the
lead back for this team.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Travis Stigma joining us here from Pro Football Focus. We'll
go back to Jadda Barron, and I think the Broncos
ultimately selected him because they didn't think he'd be there
at pick twenty. Do you agree with that assessment that
you didn't think he would make it all the way
to twenty And do you think he plays predominantly in
the slot early on or would you like to see
him more on the outside. That's been an early debate
here in Denver.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Yeah, so I really wasn't exactly sure where Joddy Barron
was going to go, because you know, it's interesting just
being a draft analyst, you have your own evaluation on guys,
but you know that sometimes the NFL thinks a little
bit differently. And it felt like Jodday Barron, consensus wise,
was a little bit lower than where I had him ranked.
I had him miss CB two in this class, you know,
considering a Hunter Travis Hunter as CB one. But I
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had Jodday I think, right around eleven twelfth overall on
my big board. So I was a big fan of
player at times throughout the season. I had him just
in the top ten at about eight or nine. So
I really love his game, and I wasn't exactly sure
how much the NFL thought the same. You know, this
is somebody who, like I said, he started his career
really playing safety for Texas and then he sort of
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turned into this like apex slot nickel defender for them,
and I thought he was good enough to leave a
declare for the draft after the twenty twenty three NFL season.
Now that's before he played the out wide cornerback spot
that we saw him play this past season, and the
fact that he went back to Texas sure, you know,
like nil helped make it a national championship run. Like,
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that's all very alluring, but if you get a first
round grade, I think that you almost always go to
the draft. Most players would go to the draft and
get a first round grade. So it made me think, okay, well,
is the NFL is just a little bit lower on
him anyways, because after that twenty twenty three season he
must have not gotten to first round grade for them.
How much do they really bump him up after playing
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well on the outside, albeit just one year at an
outside corner, and let's face it, really had the length
of a typical outside corner as well, shorter arms, much
shorter arms than a guy that you would want playing outside.
So I thought his range was anywhere from I think
starting at number eleven overall in the San Francisco forty
nine ers, he could have been considered there all the
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way to number twenty six for the Los Angeles Rams
were picking. I would have told you that that was
the range for Baron and so Denver. Obviously it'smack dab
in the middle of that, But if you ask me,
I think you should have gone to Miami at number thirteen.
Definitely needing a new cornerback there because it feels like
Jaala Ramsey's time is taking down in Miami. I thought
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that he would have been a perfect pick there. He
could have been in consideration at number fourteen as well
fifteen of the Atlanta Falcons. They had a big cornerback
neat at the time before they addressed that a little
bit later in the draft. So I can understand them
not thinking that he would be there at twenty, but
I always did believe that somewhere within that range was
the reality for him. And then, so answering the second
part of the question, I would I'd probably give him
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a chance to play outside corner, and if that is
where he is most advantageous to you, then you could
put him on one side and patch your can.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
On the other.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Good lord, that's that's quite the cornerback duo. But I
think it's that flexibility that you're never gonna want to
take out of him. You're not gonna you're not gonna
want to put that away. You're gonna want that to
be a reason why you drafted him at twenty, because
he could do so many different things for you.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
And then my.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
Last question here is our is obviously they dropped Pat
Bryan in the third round, and so are the Broncos
looking at us that as a, you know, a possible
way to move on from Courtland Sudden, or is it
just a they thought it was just the best receiver
right there that they that's what they wanted.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
I think it's more of the latter. You know, Certainly,
if hey, pap Ryan plays incredibly well and they feel
like he is that Courland Sudden replacement, I suppose that
that's the reality that could manifest. But I just I
looked at their wide receiver room and certainly before they
drafted Pap Ryan, it was really Courland Sudden and then
not a lot of other receivers on the roster that
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you just felt comfortable playing on the line of scrimmage,
having in contested catch situations, being able to play in
the red zone, you know, like MEM's and Franklin and
you know, guys like that, Like those guys are great
in those speed situations where you're kind of stretching the field,
you're doing things over the middle of those deep crossers,
those those you know, flop phades even like taking screen
paths and try to get yuards after catch. They're much
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more speed predicated players. And I think that Brian can
certainly exist in a world with Corland Sudden, because now
you can think about, all right, well, what if we're
going out there and we're playing these condensed sets, so
it's eleven personnel, or maybe it's twenty one personnel, but
we're just playing with guys who are in a little
bit more condensed sets. Wide receivers that are close to
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the line of scrimmage, but we want them to be
able to block. We got to have that strength, and
I think that Brian just gives you more option there.
So certainly he could be a potential Quotum Sutton replacement,
but I don't think they're drafting him thinking like, yes,
this guy is absolutely going to be here for the
long term and Sutton is not well, So.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
You mean like a Tim Patrick for a place for him.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
You know, or the next Michael Thomas.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I mean, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
She always trying to talk some trash. Last one. Always
great to catch up with the tray.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
First of all, By the way, congratulations on making it back.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
On the ice.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I saw Gabe Landiskog. I don't think you guys have
been in the same room ever. At the same time,
very very handsome anyways, just wanted to ask you about
based on the way that they finished they put together
with free agency with Mafanga and green Law and Evan
Ingram and now with this draft, how do you feel
about the Broncos this upcoming season.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Yeah, that's the only hockey that we're going to talk.
Do not ask me about my Dampa Bay Lightning or
I might have because.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
I would never. I would never, I really do.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
I love the way that they attack things. And I
think that when you go into an off season for
NFL teams and you're sort of thinking about what they
could do, a lot of times we focus on the weaknesses,
right We say, hey, they need to get better here,
they need to focus on this area, this is where
their weakest on the roster. And obviously I think that
that is the regular but there is also the side
of things where you go, why don't we just make
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a strength even stronger? And I think that when we
looked at the Denver Broncos, a lot of people probably
looked at them and said they're good on defense, right again,
like they were top ten, he's not top five, and
a lot of metrics last year, and I think a
lot of people said, like, Okay, yeah, we're good to go.
They're a top ten defense in the NFL, and very
clearly they weren't satisfied with that. And they have given
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Van Joseph just so many different weapons that he's going
to be able to throw at opposing quarterbacks and offensive
coordinators this upcoming year, and they have you know, increased
not only the veteran leadership with those guys getting in there,
but that postseason experience. These are players who can absolutely
fly around the field and those are sort of in
the areas where I think they might have needed upgrades
on defense. And so you pair that with adding John A. Barron,
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adding those two guys as depth players along the defensive line.
In my opinion, this is this is absolutely a top
three defense in the NFL, and it's going to be
a big talking point as why you were going to
see the Broncos be one of those quote unquote sneaky
playoff teams that people might bet on to make a
little bit of a run this upcoming season. Ton depends
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on how much you believe in bon Nix, But what
you can debate is how good this defense is going
to be, because I think it really can be top tier.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Trevor, You're the best man. Appreciate it as always my friend.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Thanks you guys anytime.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
All nice.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Trevor Sikima, lead NFL draft analysts for Pro Football Focus.
The reason I brought that up is when Gabe Landiscog
made his return to the Avs, everybody was tagging him
on Twitter saying, hey, congratulations on getting back on the
ice because they look very similar.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
Wow, very interesting. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
So he was like, He's like, please stop tagging me this,
this is not me. I'm not I'll escape.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
For the as And there was a lot of people saying, well,
we've never seen you both in the same room at
the same time. Just please set Kawa as a preset today,
which also you can set Kay with Sports as a
preset on the iHeartRadio app. Well, we'll come back to
the Broncos here in just a little bit, but we
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have Jake Plummer joining us at five o'clock. We were
just talking about the Nuggets game tonight, Nuggets and As
basically playing at the exact same time.
Speaker 6 (12:12):
Dave, how are you feeling? How are you feeling about tonight?
I feel goods I feel good? Oh you mean about
Game six? I think the Avs. I think the Avs
will win for sure.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Okay, well, here we go.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
And I think the Nuggets again, can you count on
Jamal Murray going for forty three? I don't know if
he has the same mindset I think we talked about yesterday.
I think they'll be two or three times in the game.
The Clippers are going to play on emotion home crowd,
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you know, they want to send it to Game seven.
They'll be two or three surges in the game where
the Nuggets have to withstand from an emotional standpoint, the
barrage coming at him. If they can withstand that and say,
you know what, that's fine, We'll come back and do
that a couple of times. I think the Nuggets will
win tonight. If not, then I think there's gonna be
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Game seven. Now you say, well, which one is it.
I think the Nuggets will win the game tonight.
Speaker 7 (13:15):
Okay, because said can definitely. Oh sorry that was off here.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
I think that the Avalanche will win and get it
to a Game seven. Also, I do believe that the
Nuggets will lose and it will go to a Game seven.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
And the Star six and a half point favorite. So
you're you're on the side.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
Yeah, I think they will, But I think the Nuggets
will win the series overall.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Here we go. I believe.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
I don't like to going to Game seven with this crew. Nope,
it's just the Nuggets.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
You just don't know what team you're getting every time
to go out there, you know what I mean, Like
you said, it's all going to drop forty of this game.
It's Joker going to make his free throws this game.
It's Michael Porter Junior going to show up, you know
what I mean? And you just don't know. It's so
many always if ans and butts about the Nuggets, and
so you know, I don't think.
Speaker 7 (14:04):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
I don't think they're going to take the Golden State
approach by just complete the saying screw this game and
that weird. You guys got it, We'll come back the
next game.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Yeah, because they got down with those like fourteen points by.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
The by the fourth quarter, they ended up being down
by thirteen. Geez, and with the with their backup say.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
They kept starts out.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Yeah, So I don't I've never seen an approach like that.
Will it come back to bite them?
Speaker 4 (14:24):
And ask?
Speaker 5 (14:25):
I don't know, But I do believe that the Nuggets
will eventually win a series and it goes to seven.
But I don't think we necessarily will see that Nuggets team.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
We saw last game.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
I think it's they're all fair takes.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
I sit here and say, I felt like this was
a seven game series from the very beginning. I love
your point, Dave about the barrage that's going to happen
early in this game. That's exactly what it feels like.
And what's the mental fortitude of this team? And I think,
I think, I just don't know.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
I think the guy that I would worry about would
be Kawhi. Yeah, I think more so than James. I
think Christian Brown's done. I mean, if you go look
at the what Christian Brown's done against the Beard in
the time he's been on him, He's made it very,
very tough on him. Now again, he knows how to score,
he knows how to get to the free throw line.
But I like that matchup and I think Ag is
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about as good, and I said this yesterday too, about
as good as we have in the league at being
quick enough to stay in front of Kawhi, but being
strong enough that he can hang in there a bit.
Kawhi really takes advantage of mismatches, so the Nuggets don't
have another good match for him. Right when Jamal's on him,
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not physically, not a good match. And even when Christian
Brown is on Kawhi not really good, not strong enough,
but ag is And so I think those those two,
those two defensive matchups are going to be fun to
watch again.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
I just, I really just hope that the Nuggets come
to play today too. Honestly, I feel James hard going
to drop forty forty forty. It's over it's overdue, it's overdue.
And the thing is, like you said about Christian Brown, mean.
Speaker 7 (16:08):
Well, he's had him medium well steak for baked potato.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Yeah, I mean well, yeah, I'll take you up on that.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
So you bet me a steak dinner that the Beard
gets forty tonight. Yep, that beyonder the Yeah, well.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
He might be the only one that scores, but he's
gonna get his. Okay watching score thirty nine, I will
come back. I want to keep talking about this score.
Forty one.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Nuggets and Abs going out tonight.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Although we were arguing in the break for just a
moment about Dylan Brooks intentionally trying to swipe at the
hands of Steph Curry, knowing that his thumb is injured.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Shelby taking offense. Dave, what do you think I mean?
Speaker 5 (16:55):
Don't don't just sit here and say I'm taking a fence.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
You're you're offended.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
No, I'm offended. Geez, you were.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
You were offended by Dylan Brooks.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
I'm offended by something that had nothing didn't happen to me. No,
that's not true. I had, I said it was. Yeah,
I'm not offended. I could care less.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Do you think it's dirty?
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Ryan's the only one I sitting here trying to defend it.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
He's part of the game.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Part of the game.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
It's not part of the game. But you like, you're
making that conceited show. If you don't know much about
the game, if you watch those, if you if you think,
if you think, well, listen, dude, if you think intentionally
trying to hurt somebody, that's part of the sports, part
of the game. It's not what I would do. What's that?
I'm sorry? No, I mean, I'm getting used to getting interrupted,
So go ahead and tell me what you said.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
I said, you's swiping at the basketball.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
I got no problem with that. But if you look
at it, which I didn't even realize it was a
story until I looked up here. It's like, oh man,
he's intentionally trying to hit his thumb. I mean, that's
that's That's what I'm saying that that's and and you
can't let that. I mean you, that's just cheap. And
and he's to me, he's he's one of these fake
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tough guys. And so I mean, guys like that seriously
just need to get their ass knocked off one time
and then maybe stop.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
See Ryan, if if that was Draymond I was doing that,
we would not hear the end of it from you.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
And that's a fact like that. I don't mean like
he'd be suspended, all all this all this dirt. He's dirty.
I don't mean we would never hear the end from Ryan,
but we would never hear the end from TV people,
from national people, because Draymond has that reputation more than
Dylan Brooks.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
So yeah, I think the biggest issue is that it's
not a basketball play because from you know, he's obviously
we just saw a couple of highlights, but it was
no attempt to trying to block the ball. It's intentionally
just going after your hand and you know, usually basketball,
you're trying to guard the best player on like you know,
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the best shooter ever. But no, you're just trying to
swipe in his hand and try to get him out
of there. So I always tell you what's going to happen,
is is going to happen next game. It's going to
do it, and the NBA's gonna nip that in the
button and say, nah, that's a foul. And then honestly,
you may see some type of other no, some type
of fine, because that's just not a basketball play. Like
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the whole point of sports is you're not you know,
it's to compete and obviously to win, but doing it
the right way, that's not the right way. That's and
like my day said, that's that's like a fake tough
guy thing. And I and that's one thing I can
honestly I would you would never see Draymond doing something
like that, and they might stop uspice chest, but.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
That's play.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
But the dude was holding on to his leg and
he tried to pull it and the other stomp was unnecessary.
But it makes sense, like this is a blatant attempt,
Like imagine somebody tried to do something like that to
Lebron you, they would nip that in the butt right away.
So it's happening in Steph Curry, so it's not going
to keep And and also the issue is he's so
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blatantly's looking I'm doing it. That's dumb because it's literally
a foul. You're hit, you're hitting his follow through on like,
that's a foul. So you just brought attention to that. Also,
so good job, Oh, don't do that. How you start
off an argument about Dylan Brooks for Draymond.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Green, they're playing each other, You're quite literally playing against
one of the dirtiest players in the history of the game.
Guy stomps on people, he kicks people in the growing
he kicked ahead growing kid I multiple times. He's kicked
multiple times, like he's been objected from games.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
So were done measuring two.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Teams going against each other at the same time, and
you're saying Dylan Brooks is dirtier than Draymond Green, which
is insane.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
Well, Dylan Brooks is intentionally letting him known that he's
trying to hurt his opponent every game so that he
can't go compete.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
So Draymond accident.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
That happens.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
And you know, you know, fouls and and and flagrants
and stuff like that of passion are different than intentionally
and calculated trying to hurt somebody. That's what you're getting
mixed up. He's calculating that if he goes and he
takes out Steph Curry's arm, that he does, that he
won't have to face him, and that's a better chance.
That's winning Draymon's is playing with passion. Those are two
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completely different things. And and one I would actually argue
that playing with passion is not dirty. Being calculated and
intentionally trying to harm your opponent that's dirty because he
brought up to you know, if someone has a sprained ankle,
you attack it, Yeah, you attack it by trying to
make them run because they can't move. I'm not sitting
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here trying to kick you in the ankle or like
when we fallter around, trying to twist your angle to
make it hurt. Because I'm a real competitor. So when
I go out there, I want to beat you, and
not just because I hurt you. I want to beat you.
And that's why I think that's soft, Like that's that's
some soft stuff. Play the game of basketball wet then hoop.
That's what you're can pay to go out there and hoop. Dave,
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do you agree that I think that.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
I mean, Draymond's done some things that I don't agree
with for sure. I I don't think the kick in
this last game or the game before on saying well,
how do you see his name?
Speaker 2 (22:26):
I think it's San Goon.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
I don't. I didn't, and I looked at it closely
because it was Draymond. I didn't. I didn't think that
was actually an intent intentional kick of the head. But
Draymond's done stuff that you know, I don't like, and
I don't think there's any place in the game for
that said, I mean, what what Dylan Brooks is doing,
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And like Shelby said, he's not smart enough to figure
out that you shouldn't be admitting it in talking about
it with pride afterwards, like yeah, I'm trying to hit him,
trying to hit his some every every single time he
shoots the ball, Well, that just makes you not very smart.
So yes, I think, I mean the way you know
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he's an agitator, so's Draymond. But I'm I wouldn't be
surprised next game in the Bay Area, if there's some
backscreens set on Dylan Brooks that are fairly significant. Mm hm.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
Has anyone ever said that this is not who Draymond is. No,
but you hear a lot of the NBA people saying
this is not who Dylan Brooks is. And so you're
intentionally trying to be somebody else, and you know you're
trying to be this agitator. You're trying to do this. Well,
you're playing with that line and you you're overstepping in
at this time.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Okay, fair enough, And like I said, I think Steve
Kerr in some of his comments in the post game
is more or less planting the seed for them to
keep an eye on that.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
That's just what a good veteran coach.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
And then he was well, I mean Steve kerm made
the comment, and so they brought it to doing Brooks like, hey,
this literally.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
I'll tell you this if I'm in the game, and
and and the rest didn't say anything, and I get
to hug the line of scrimmage. You think I'm gonna
go after the game and be like, yeah, man, that
the ref let me hug be as close as possible
to the line of scrimmage, and that's really what what
helped me. No, no, because that's a dumb thing to do,
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and so what didn't Brooks it up there, like that's
a dumb thing to do. It's just not smart. And
also it's just taking away from the fact that your
team just won the last game. Like now we're talking
about how you're hitting steps Curry's hand and so everyone's like,
that's the only reason you're you guys won, you know
what I mean. So it's just you know, you want
you want to beat the best, but don't do it
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in a dirty way.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Okay, all right, Well that's uh, I guess I will
agree to disagree on that, and it feels like a
little bit more of part of the game to me.
But uh, going since to night with the Nuggets in
the Avalanche, they a wile to start with you here,
you said your phone pretty good about the Nuggets. Are
you feeling better about the Nuggets or the Ads opportunity tonight?
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Well, you probably would say the Avs because they're home,
and the Ads are actually favored, and the Nuggets are
a rather decisive underdog. So I would say if that's
the question, I would say the Avs. The Aves are
going to know you can't lose. You lose, you're done.
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So I think they'll come out and play with some desperation.
I think they'll find a way to win, and then
we'll have Game seven in Dallas, which would be a big,
big deal. I still think the Nuggets will win tonight,
or at least I say they're certainly capable of winning.
I think you find out a lot about your team
tonight with the way the Nuggets come out and do
they have an intent of saying, hey, we're here to
try to close this out, or do they fall back
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on the well and we're eleven down and we do
have Game seven. If they do that, then it will
not end well.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
If they do that, then I'll be worried about Game seven,
because that's not That's not a mindset you want to
instill in your players of oh wee get up next time.
Oh like you're telling them to quit just like you. You know,
we talked about it during the break about how the
Warriors just pretty much gave up on you know that
last game. It was like, oh, you guys got it,
we got another chance to do this again.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Like that.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
That doesn't necessarily breathe confidence into like my players. It's like, oh,
I just want to quit and then going and then
hopefully we win the next one. But what you're talking
about between who has the better chance, I think the
APS do, obviously because they're at home, and also just
because of how bad the last game was, losing sixty two.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
I think the.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
APPS were to come out, you know what, something to prove,
and obviously they're playing for their livelihood right now. So
I believe the APS will win, you know, the Apps are.
I think they're going to end up winning the series. Uh,
you know, I believe in the ABS and and and
I just think their star power will come through when
it needs to.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
I feel pretty good about the AS series coming into
this thing against the Stars. I like their chances tonight,
But just for a moment, the ramifications if you lose
in the first round. I mean, Dave, we said for
a while that the Stars represent a really tough matchup.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
This was like a month.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Ago when we said that, because we thought that's who
they were gonna play. The Stars then proceeded to go
on a pretty significant slide. At that time, it was like, oh,
really like the AS chances because the Stars are playing terrible.
Now the Stars have battled back, they're starting to really
find their form, So it's not out of the realm
of possibility they lose tonight. The Stars have won on
the as ice. In fact, last year, remember they won
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all the games on the as ice, which was really
tough moment for that team.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
So ramifications.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
If you were bounced in the first round after all
the moves, the bevy of moves that Chris McFarland and
that front office did this season, what do you say
to yourself and to the fan base after it.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Yeah, that's a tough one. I think that I think
that people got a little bit and Ryan, you and
I talked about this a couple of weeks ago. I
think people because the Stars in their last seven games,
I think we're five five and two, and so they
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didn't get a win. They lost Game one, and then
you know, yet everybody talking about what they have. Man,
this is going to be a sweep. Abs are going
to sweep and then the Ads I'll play them really
in game two, but the Stars find a way excuse me,
game three and the Stars find a way to win.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
You look up and they've got a two to one lead,
and they've been in front, you know, less than a
minute or a little little more than a minute in
the entire series. So Dallas is tricky from a defensive
standpoint because they they can make really good skating teams
look pretty average. I think they're really well coached. They
shrinked the ice. There's not a lot of room. And
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so to answer your question specifically, it should they Ads
lose tonight and lose the series. I mean I think that,
you know, I think that's tough on Jared bed I
don't know what the As would do, but I think
I think the franchise and those who run the franchise
expect this year not to end in the first round,
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even though they're playing that's a hard matchup for the Abs.
They got a really good hockey team. They would almost
rather play anybody else in the West in Round one
than the Stars.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
I just think, obviously, you know, we have the feel
good score, the field story of Lamdaskalk coming back. They
got to get over that. Now they got to go
out there and actually go play hockey. You know, we
can't keep talking about these feel goods. They have to
go out there and play some good hockey. And you know,
they have really a majority of the series, and like
you said, they've only really the Stars have only had
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to lead for a small small part of the series.
So I believe the starting the Stars will falter and
the Abs will get this win. But it's a matter
of just playing team hockey and the defense really coming
through after the performance we had last game and really
helping the goalieut and stopping the shots on goals.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
It's a weird deal, right, I mean, momentum and playoff
series specifically, because you come off the game for performance
from the Abs and they look like they're about to
run this thing, like everything was going right, Gabe Landskog
hitting a goal in that one, and then they go
out to Dallas and Dallas did everything right. And tough
performance from Blackwood. I mean from nine seconds in, you
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just felt like it wasn't the Avs night. And so
it's the ebbs and flows, And I know it's the
same thing really for basketball too, for the Nuggets and Clippers.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
It's been like that.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
But it's just a weird footing for tonight's game because
I agree, I think the ABS bounce back. I got
the home ice opportunity here to extend the season. But
then you talk about momentum, and for being honest, the
momentums on the Dallas side. Right now, momentum has been
seized by Dallas. Now, will Blackwood have as bad a game?
Speaker 2 (30:53):
I doubt it.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
I think he'll have a better performance tonight. But will
Cale mccar show up? Dave, we talked about this just
two days ago. You know, cal mccar has not had
a good series, and if he doesn't show up tonight,
I don't know, Man, this thing coul get ugly.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
It's time.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Yeah, I would bet on cal mccarr. I would agree.
I don't. He probably hasn't had the kind of series
that everybody wanted him to have, But I you know,
I would bet that mccarr shows up in a big way.
I think the Abs win tonight, and I think they
forced Game seven, And I'm with Shelby. I think they
go down to Dallas and find a way to win
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a very tough game on the road and advance to
the next round.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
I'm saying, as by too, there we go, as why too?
I feel like it's it's gonna adds when I'm control
of this whole game. Okay, you know I mean, I believe,
you know, after just watching him play, honestly, because I
don't even watch that much hockey, but I love playoff hockey,
you know what I mean. It's nothing like watching them
playoff hockey, you know what I mean. But I just
think that the Alves have a lot of speed and
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they're going to use it. And and like you said,
mycar is gonna come out there and actually actually make
his presence known early.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Back to the Nuggets here for a second, and you're
a stake bet on James Harden. I mean, it's not
on the wrong possibility of that. James Harden has a
bounce back performance. I agree, forty seems like a that's
a pretty significant jump from when he gets eleven this
last game.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
Okay, that's what Jamal Murray does it whole time.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
He's done it six times.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
Yeah, but also James Harden. Don't forget James Harden disappears
in the playoffs, not often, but don't don't. Let's not.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
Let's not let the recent events cut our judgment of
who James Harden is like, please, he's not. James Harden
is still one of the best offensive threats.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
In the NBA, and he has been.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
He has been his whole career, and that's why he
is liable to go off to the playoffs. Except I
would say except in Denver.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
No, no, no, in the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
Well no, because I do remember a series where James
Harden was going crazy against the Bucks until Kyrie got hurt,
and then that's when the Bucks won the championship.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
That I think if you go talk to people in
Oak City or Houston or Brooklyn and say, hey, is
the Beard the same guy in the regular season? Is
he the same guy that guy in the postseason, I
think you get you get some clap back.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
Well, we will see, we will see because in the playoffs,
man quick googling the hell out of this, because because
in the playoffs James Harden, I won't just let me
go over all, right, Yeah, he struggled a little bit.
I keep that one, Okay. Yeah, you know, looking at this,
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you know he hasn't you know, had his best best
games in the playoffs. But it's still better than me. No,
I'm not going anywhere. I'm not going anywhere because you
know why, because.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
Yes, well he's capable of getting forty. But I can
tell you this, you know, the only thing I would
worry about in terms of James Harden having a night
like that is if something happened to Christian Brown. Christian
Brown has been in the Beard's beard, so to speak to.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
But also, you know, I'm looking I am looking at
these stats, and the issue I guess is when he
does not when he doesn't do good, he really doesn't
do good.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
You're talking about like five nine points. Okay, is that
in the postseason.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
But that's what I'm looking at, imalking about when he
doesn't do good in the postseason, he really struggles. Okay,
So what are you saying when he does Like obviously
the last two games have him been great for really
you want to get into that, you want to get
out I believe in his bad No you don't. I'm not.
And it's just like, yeah, the last you know this
this series alone, he had a really he had game
(35:01):
one thirty two After that is eighteen, twenty fifteen, and eleven,
and last year when in their series he he had
one thirty point game, one twenty eight game, twenty eight
point games.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Then it was kind of.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Down from there, pretty consistent.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
But two years ago, five years ago.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
At one point two years ago, he had a couple
of forties.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
So that's what I'm saying. So when he does get going,
he gets going.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
We've seen James Harden's score that nobody's disputing.
Speaker 5 (35:31):
That's what I'm saying. So I'm saying he's going to
score today.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Okay, But also I still you should have picked thirty though.
I'm just throwing that because.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
That's no fun. No, it's no fun to bet thirty forty.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
You probably wouldn't got to stake that out of the exactly.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
I probably would have got like some popcorn.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Yeah, I don't know dat you take a bet of
thirty like, like's just for argument's sake, James harden sake.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
Of the show. Sure, I'd bet many, but forty. I like,
I feel a bit about this forty though, because I'm
not gonna lie like you. I'm what you do, stay stats.
You look at these postseason steads and I'm liking, well,
Dan and I'm liking it you are and I'm liking it.
I see, I see his thing. I see a bunch
of forties in here for like a forty one, forty five.
I see a bunch of those, seeing thirteens, I'll see
(36:19):
some eleven's I've seen some fourteen some sixteens in there too. Well,
I just believe that, you know, in order for and
I'm saying it's in order for the Clippers to survive,
he has to have a type game like that.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
All Right, we'll come back to the Nuggets here in
just a little bit. We have Jake Plumber joining us
coming up next. Looking forward to that. And I'll be
a next on key Away
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