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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Scamper and the run. Jake Plumber midfield forty five forty, forty.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Five, thirty, The Snake is Lose twenty five twenty Plumber
out of bows at the fifteen yard line and the
fans in Denver love. But that's a run of forty yards.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
The Snake's loose.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
I tell you what, Dave will probably never ever get
a call like the Snake.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Is Loose from you.
Speaker 5 (00:25):
Yeah, I'm trying to well, he's coming on, so he
would he would probably remember. I'm guessing he'd remember that game.
I was trying to think that wasn't I don't remember
what game that was. But he he could get out,
and when he did, you know what, he hit some
pretty good wheels.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Pretty amazing.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Jake Plumber joining us on the Kawakomasparate Health Hotline with
Dave Logan, Ryan Versus Shelby Harris.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Jake's great to have you on, man.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
How are you? I'm good.
Speaker 6 (00:49):
How you guys all do it?
Speaker 5 (00:50):
So we're doing We're going good, Jake, But first of all,
what what game was that that you got out and
ran like forty yards?
Speaker 6 (01:01):
I think it might have been a maybe Kansas City game, Okay,
or yeah, I'm trying to remember. It was early. It
was I think it was right when I first got there,
so everyone was waiting to see what I could do.
And it was a few games in and I took
off and I don't know, you know, running around like
that fear from my life was things I tried not
to remember.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I hear it.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Well, you might as well remember it if you get
plus forty right, yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:26):
Yeah, yeah, one of my longest runs. I think that
might have been my longest run in my career.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Wow, okay, very cool.
Speaker 6 (01:31):
Yeah. I loved getting out and running man, especially thinking
that you were going to throw the ball on the
defensive players, you know, when you were ten yards past
the line of scrimmage and they'd still jump. That was
always fun.
Speaker 7 (01:42):
Well that makes no sense. I see it all the time.
I'm just like, bro, why did you jump? He pumped? Well,
he's twenty yards past a lot of scrimmage. Like, well,
you see Lamar Jackson running downfield and just pumping pump,
aching and people actually jumping. Well, hey, Jay, guess Shelby here.
I really my first question I got as a QB,
you know, oppositely with a similar skill set to what
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bow Knicks kind of has with the mobility and and
you know, making making plays with your legs, were also
looking to throw it. You know, what did you think
that bow Knicks needed to work on this offseason to
really propel his game to the next level.
Speaker 6 (02:19):
Uh, you know, it's hard to analyze when I'm not
breaking down every game film. Just from what I saw
and the times that I saw it, you know, I
think he has massive potential because one, he's just a
phenomenal athlete, as you could see multiple times. Uh maybe
not feet set still making really amazing throws a few
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times be out making some bad throws, but that's how
you learn. And that's what I like to seeing. Was,
you know, his his ability to stand up for his
style of play, I think was what I when I
took away from what I saw. Maybe I'm wrong, but
it felt like he was stepping up to the plate
to say, hey, I can do this, let me play
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my style, and he really did a phenomenal job. So
working on his footwork, you know, maybe getting more comfortable
in anticipation a little bit, knowing routes and understanding like
better who to look at when you're you know, running
some deep corners, or deep posts, you know, like making
sure to not just rely on that really strong arm
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that he has, you know, like get that ball out quick.
You'll save yourself the hits. You'll you know, you'll get
the ball out of the guy's hands. So I think
that that kind of stuff is what you work on
once you've proven you can play. And what we saw
from Bow was phenomenal. I didn't mean he took care
of the ball so well. You don't really improve on that.
You just get lucky a few times and you know,
make good decisions. And that's what we saw from a rookie,
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which was encouraged and encouraging and and why I think
we're all excited to see his development into next year.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
All provo, I'll provo that's from Shelby himself.
Speaker 6 (03:53):
You know.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
One of the things I've been thinking about with Bow
going into year two, when teams get a bit of
film on you, as in your first starting season, maybe
you catch some defenses by surprise a little bit, you
hang a bunch of poison yards on him, like they
did against the Cleveland Browns. But more than anything, that's
a little shots Shelby. You you go into year two
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and now You're not surprising anybody now. They know exactly
what your tendencies are. So as a quarterback going from
year one to year two, how do you sort of
not only build on what you did, but also sort
of keep defenses off balance who might know some tendencies
of yours.
Speaker 6 (04:30):
Yeah, I mean it's having into that playbook and learning
the offense even deeper, at the deepest level you can.
And like I said, you know, getting the ability to
predict and anticipate a little bit. He's seen, he's been
through the offense. I saw, you know, we saw fans.
Everybody saw multiple times. You know, if there wasn't something there, quick,
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he was pretty quick to drop the eyes, take off
and do something. And he got away with it a
lot of times he made phenomenal plays and going to
his left, going to his right, stepping up in the pocket,
extending plays. I can recall my rookie year being a
lot like that. I got in and all of a
sudden they thought I was sacked, and then I pop
out of there and the dbs had stopped running, you know,
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And now that I go, stop covering your guy and
make Jake, make him make that pro he's feared us.
He's not gonna throw out of bounds. He's gonna try
to sling that thing thirty yards going to his left,
and sometimes it was good, and once in a while
it wasn't, so they stopped coming off the receiver. So
you'll see a lot more of trying to keep him
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from doing what he does really well and not as
extending plays. And you know, how do you do that?
I don't know. The league has changed so much that
that's really the style we're seeing as quarterbacks able to
get the ball out quick and in the hands of
these athletes around them, but then when they do drop
back if something isn't there, their escapability is phenomenal. I mean,
we see across the league most guys have some skills
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extending plays and creating something after you would think it
would be a loss. So he's just going to have
to continue to mature and grow and I think the
most important thing, and really who needs to maybe go
watch film as a fans and understand that you're gonna
just got to take what you get this next year.
First year amazing plan on the same thing. It's not better,
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but he may not, you know, he may not shine
as bride as he did that rookie year because you've
seen him already and understand though, we got a leader,
and that's the beautiful thing is leaders are going to
have their teams ready, and I think he motivates that
team and the players play hard for ms.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
We're talking former Bronco great Jake Plumber. I was going
to ask and you you may have sort of just
glossed over it when you think back to your career,
and I think the game obviously has changed from when
you came in, but still quarterbacks to come out of
college the first couple of years, what what two or.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Three, three or four things.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
We're most sort of present in your game in terms
of having to adjust once you got into the league.
What are these young guys today, what are two or
three of the key things that they have to be
aware of and adjust to.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
Man, you know, you're you're coming into the best of
the best, So you know it's one thing to be
your leader in college and now being paid athlete in
college and making pid more money than most of anyone
else on the team, and now you're coming into the
league where these these are the pros, are the best
of the best, and the rest has been weeded out.
So there's a part of really having the right kind
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of mentality around leadership and knowing how to respect the
players that have done it and learn from them, but
also find your role on that team and what that
sounds like, looks like, feels like, so you can you know,
really assume that role. I mean, not every team wants
a quarterback to be a boisterous, loud leader, you know,
but they do want them to be a hard worker
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and in the weight room early, and which is guys
and down the earth as much as you can be
when you're the face of the franchise. So you know,
it's it's a big jump. I mean that along with
the anticipation and get involves into tinier windows and no
one when to take those shots and when not to.
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You know. I think a lot of these kids have
been football almost to this before they even leave college.
So the next level with the pros is just honing
those skills even more and finding a something place to be.
I think having a coach that can analyze you and
is a master at you know, putting together that little
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pieces of a dynamic offense so that when one guy
gets hurt, it's not like, oh, no, but all right,
now we're going to see what this guy can do.
And I think when you have minds like that, you know, drafting,
maybe not the shiny object or the you know, the
one that people think, or maybe a guy who with
the slowest receiver in the combine right, four six one.
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There's obviously something there that this kid does that is beautiful.
And that could be he's really good with the timing
on you know, progressions, because Bo needs to get that
down you know, one, two and I get the three
if not, that's where both is beautiful. So you know
that next level was just you know, getting in the
meeting rooms with your coaches, with your QB coach, with
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the head coach, with your receivers, and making sure you
digest as much as you can for that next week.
You know that opportunity and now this year, next year
or two for both, that's really what he's got to
work on, and you know, just keep being the leader.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Love it.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Last one I have for you, Jake really appreciates time
as always, man, So I really enjoyed your story that
you you posted up on social media last week talking
about the draft and how excited it was when you
remember back to when you were drafted and when you
were coming into the league. What advice I guess would
you give rookies coming into the league.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
They just got drafted.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Their head's going to be on a swivel when they
get into rookie ca amp and then I mean, it's
already been a whirlwind as it is in the pre
draft process. But well, what's sort of your message I
guess to young players rookies coming into the league.
Speaker 6 (10:10):
Yeah, you got to trust trust in yourself, you know,
and trust that you're you got drafted and someone saw
you and and look at this beautiful opportunity that's now
afforded you. To go in and figure it out, do
the best you can. Not all, not all draft picks
have long, lucrative careers. It's a very small margin of
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those that make it, you know, past three years. So
you know, go in there with uh, you know, full
full confidence in yourself, knowing that it's going to be hard.
And there's guys out there that are six year, seven
year vets to that family and the lifestyle and they're
making the money that they feel comfortable with and you're
going to threaten them and so have a little healthy
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oaths of respect for those before you that have that
have done it. Not even just the current players that
are older, but even the players like you know that
you guys Shelby, Dave, you know, the guys that have played,
you know, have that have that respect and reverence for
the game because it really hasn't changed much. Athletes have
because they're coming out of college with a lot more
money in their pockets than most of us or all
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of us post you know, four or five years ago,
uh or pre four or five years ago. You know,
it's uh, it's just something to come into the league.
But trusting yourself that's the main thing. And if you
do that and you show up and you work your
butt off and take the lumps and take the jive
the jobbing and making fun of you and putting you down,
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you know, if you can get through all that and
trusting your abilities, things good things can happen.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I dig it.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
By the way, Shelby are crack staff.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Your research staff said it was against the Raiders that
you had that forty yard run.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
So Raiders there you go.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Yeah, appropriately against our division rivals, So good job.
Speaker 7 (11:51):
It is it hard to remember like back, like you know,
obviously I'm going on year twelve right now. But is
it hard to remember specific moments from your career?
Speaker 6 (12:00):
Yeah, I mean there's so many games. I mean, there
are a lot of There are a lot of times
and just certain games that stand out. And then there
are certain plays that you know, I'll never forget. So
I have the opportunity to make some pretty big plays
at opportune moments. So but yeah, and I could run
like that. I knew it was I had raiders were Chiefs.
I didn't say raiders. But uh no, I don't remember
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a lot of plays. Man, there's no way, how would
you I remember a lot of the dudes I played
with those guys, I played a game that's a lot
of the fun things and remember.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Awesome, Jake, You're the best. We appreciate the time, man,
thank you.
Speaker 6 (12:32):
Hey, you guys do well, have fun and peace, love
and mushrooms.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Oh you appreciate Jake perfect, Jake Plummer the best.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Yeah, it's funny you're talking about specific plays. I'd say
if I ever challenged Dave on specific plays, usually your
your memories remarkable.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Well that stuff. Maybe, I mean.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
I remember I remember plays like like Broncos plays. But
I think I think Jake's right. Probably if you think
back in my career as well before for his, you remember,
you remember outcomes of games and maybe a handful of plays,
but you remember the dude you played with like a
lot a lot more easily.
Speaker 7 (13:11):
And I remember, like I'm still playing, and I still
can't remember specific things you know, from earlier in my career.
But one thing though, and it's always known and everyone
always talks about it, is you know, the one thing
that you always remember is the locker room and the
guys you played with. The one thing you're going to
miss is the locker room and the guys you played with. Yeah,
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and you know that's what has guys hag on for
so long because.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
There's nothing really like it.
Speaker 7 (13:40):
Especially in football, because once you're done, you can't go
put the pads back on and just go play for fun,
you know, I mean, this is really this is it.
You can, but nobody wants to see it exactly, but like,
this is really it. This is once you're done, you're done,
and so you really got to enjoy every minute of
it because it's something that you know it won't ever
be replica.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Yeah, it's kind of a good point, right, I mean
maybe with basketball you can sort of pick up the
basketball and go play a little bit, so you can
hoop up a little bit with a lot of sports.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Be right, with football, it's over, man.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
You're not going to get in the backyard, put the
helmet on, get down in the three point stance with
the dog and say ready to go.
Speaker 6 (14:17):
Man.
Speaker 7 (14:17):
I might might blow something up that point, man, but
that's it. That's the greatest part just about football, though,
is that everybody kind of does know that this is
it and and that's why I feel like you do
play with so much emotion you do play because well, yeah,
like even everyone can talk about the money you make,
but that's not what got is starting to play football
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when we first started playing, and those feelings, those emotions
you feel that on game day, you know what I mean.
So that's what you know gets me up at night.
That's that's what I'm going to miss when I'm done.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Love that before we get back to the Nuggets.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Just wanted to follow up on the conversation with Bo
Nix on him in year two. There's some interesting things
he said there, you know, about taking that next step
and really kind of diving into the playbook and I'm
so fascinated. I think that we all right now feel
a bit of optimism about his ability to learn, his
ability to lead as those things that Jake pointed out.
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But you know those tendencies, man, I mean, that's that
the tape doesn't lie. And you know Shelby had his
opinion about what he saw out there in the field
against the Browns. Those same things are going to show
up next year. So how do you sort of build
on that?
Speaker 5 (15:26):
Well, I mean, the Broncos have to get better. Bow
has to be better, and Sean has to make sure
that while the foundation of the offense stays the same,
there's got to be plenty of things that you do
next year that you didn't do last year. Because defensive coordinators,
defensive coaches, they spend the entire offseason looking at every
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single game and breaking down especially like the Chiefs and
the Raiders and the Chargers. They'll look at the two
games that they played the Broncos and they'll look at
that quarterback in the offense and figure out what he likes,
what he was really good at, here's things he struggled
against and how can we be better against him this year?
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So and the Broncos have been doing the same thing
in reverse for Bo. But I do think your question
was good in terms of from Jake's standpoint, that second
year for a rookie quarterback going into his second year.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
And I don't have the stats in front of me, but.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
I think there is the possibility of guys coming back
to Earth a little bit. Doesn't mean he won't be
a good player, certainly doesn't mean he won't have a
good career. But you know, he came into this league
and the only tape that early in the season teams
had was him.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
At Oregon or Auburn.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Now they've got seventeen games eighteen games actually of Bo
Nicks in this Broncos offense. So it's up to Sean
and the coach staff here to change and continue to
grow that offense and have you know, a new flavor
or two for Bo to be able to choose.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
And I'm not gonna I'm not gonna let you.
Speaker 7 (17:14):
I'm not gonna let you sit here and try to
say that, oh I shall we said this or no.
If you look at the stats the Cleveland the game
against the Cleveland Browns and then the game two weeks
later because they had a bye regret after our bow.
Next is two worst games of the season.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Well, that's impossible to say, because the Seattle game and
the Jets game also happened.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
Well, if you look at the Seattle game, okay, percentage wise,
completion percentage wise, Cleveland was the worst game of the year,
and obviously the first two games of Seattle pitch we're
not even talking about. We're talking about when he actually
started getting rolling, like and and adver sent that from
Tampa Bay on.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
You know.
Speaker 7 (17:50):
So Cleveland was the worst completion percentage of the year
against What do you attribute that to? Your back end?
Here we go, I think it's a total defensive ever been,
you know, but even though even if you're not getting
sacks and you're not, it's still about getting pressure and
getting his face and making a move off his spot,
which he had to do a lot that game. And
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then the next game is Indy. You know, he struggled
again two for three, three touchdowns, three deceptions, and so
my analysis of him was just off of one game,
which actually ended up being one of his worst games
of the season. So, but if you look at all
the other games, hell of a game. And so that's
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what happens though. You know, in the ady quarterback, you
go from having great games and you're gonna have one
bad game. So I think he's gonna recover. I think
he's gonna do good. But stop putting that, stoppertting it
on me, stopping I can only go off of what
I see, I know, and also I've made it, always
made it very clear. He looked way better. The games
are four is as he struggled against us, but also
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if you look at the stats, you run a lot
of man to man. He struggled against man and man,
I'm struggling right now, is running right now?
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Like, what do you want from me? It's good, all right?
So the Nuggets night.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
We'll come back to the Broncos a litt later, but
the Nuggets tonight, Dave on Tuesday, we felt like that
was a Jamal Murray opportunity game, right. I think we
were pretty clear on that. We said, boy, this would
be one of those games for Jamal to really show up.
Are you going to predict Jamal's the guy again tonight?
Or do you have somebody else in mind?
Speaker 6 (19:32):
No?
Speaker 5 (19:32):
I mean I think Jamal has to be now he
might not shoot it as well as he shot it
in the last game, but I think he has to
be as aggressive. I want to see Jamal And again,
we talked about this after after Game five. I mean,
Jamal historically has been a guy that would come off
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the high screen roll either pull up for a jump shot,
get it back to Jokich on the roll, or take
the ball to the basket. But he really has never
been a catch and shoot guy. And that element of
his game was evident in Game five where the ball
would swing he's got it outside three point range and
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he just cast.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
And so I want to see that.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
I want to see him be as aggressive in getting
the ball to the basket because he clearly, I mean,
he's other than Jokic, he's their best scoring option.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
He's their best shooter.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
I know MPG when he gets going, can knock it
down too, but so well they get forty three, probably not,
but I want to see him as aggressive as we
saw him in game five.
Speaker 7 (20:44):
Well, just as hot as he was. He was just
as cold the game before. So I think everyone would
be fine if you just got something in the middle,
you know, I mean, a consistent twenty.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
But I just want to see him shoot it.
Speaker 7 (20:55):
Yeah, I want to see him just I don't want
them to see him lose the confidence, just keep going.
But also who I don't want to see lose the
confidence is Michael Porter Junior. I know, like I've been
on here throughout the weeks and I've been pumping Michael
Porter Jr. Saying you know he I really truly believe
that he can be the X factor for them because
obviously you know what you're getting out of Aaron Gordon,
and you know what you're getting really out of all
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the other guys. It's this Michael Porter Junior is the
one who one game will give you five, one game
will drop thirty.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
He's playing with one arm.
Speaker 7 (21:25):
Okay, that we don't use excuses in the sports world.
Don't play if you're too hurt to play, if you're
too hurt to play, don't play. We're not going to
use that excuses. Oh, Steph, you're not gonna get to
me because he has the thing, he's the option to play.
But that's dirty play. They're playing dirty, intentially attacking Steph
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Curry's arm. Michael Porter Junior shoulders hurt. Yes, he's choosing
to go out there and play, and he it's hurting
it's hurting him, it's hurting the team.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
So you know that's on him. You know, once you.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Decide what I love how he's trusted himself in all
sorts of no.
Speaker 7 (22:07):
As an athlete, if you choose to go on that court,
I don't want to hear anything about your injury. Like
that's that's the thing. That's a football mentality. That's how
it's going to be up everywhere. And that's how I'm
teaching my kids. If you're gonna go out there and play,
I don't want to hear you complaining. Go out there
and play the game. We'll fixed all the other stuff later.
But during this game, and I don't want to hear
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any talk about your injury or after the game when
you had to struggles, don't say I'm hurt. No, then
you shouldn't have played.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
You realize just you're moving the goalpost.
Speaker 7 (22:38):
Here, because he's the thing. Steph Curry would be fine
playing with his hand. The thing is, though they're intentionally
smacking his hand.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
So they intentionally Michael Porter Jr.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Not though, but also a shoulder that's a foul. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
We had a texture that said something to that effect
that he thought the Clippers were taken.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
I've seen that. Just Swipe said, I didn't seen that before.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
I I haven't seen it that I remember seeing it,
but I will be conscious of it.
Speaker 7 (23:05):
I will watch. That's all I can do. I'm an
imperfect man, but you can watch, and I can.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
We'll leave your chance to win.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
See their tickets coming up here in about seven minutes
to listen for that queue to call this our chance,
one of a thousand dollars coming up the next five
minutes thanks to Maverick.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Again, if you.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Missed any of our conversations earlier with Jake Plummer or
Trevor Sikima from Pro Football Focus, those will be up
at Koacolorado dot com.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
All right, Dave, so I asked you about the Nuggets.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
And the player that you're most looking forward to tonight,
maybe being the difference maker.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Who is it for the Avalanche? Oh Man.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
Said, I'm going to take the easy one, and I'm
going to say kem mccarr. Okay, and again he's not
been sort of vintage mccar in the first five games
in this series, but I think he's too great a
player to think that this is you know, this is
going to continue like forever so I'm gonna I'm gonna
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go in on Kale.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
I'm kind of wondering for Nathan McKinnon, who got snubbed
today with the Heart Trophy. I'm kind of wondering what
that that might do to Like, again, it'd be sort
of cheating to take one of the best players in
the planet, the best player in the ABS, to say
that's the guy that's going to go off tonight. But
did you wonder a little bit about maybe in little
edginess for Nathan McKinnon tonight.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
I see, I don't know if hockey players. I don't
know if hockey players think that way. I mean, I
think it would make sense. You know, competitive professional athletes,
somebody gets snubbed, it's like, okay, you know, that makes
absolute sense. But hockey players seem to be not that
they're not competitive, and certainly they're tough as hell, but
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they're also.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Humble, and so maybe maybe he would. What do you
think about tonight?
Speaker 6 (25:01):
Man?
Speaker 7 (25:02):
I know I was saying we got to get off
the high of Landiskogg.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
But let's do it. I'm back on it. I'm back
on here, you know.
Speaker 7 (25:09):
So I just think that, you know, in order for
them to really reach the goals they want to go.
All of their guys, all their names, are going to
have to step up. But I just think, you know, Landiscog,
he's going to be the one who's he is the captain,
and the captain has to you know, lead, and he
has to lead by example. So he's going to go
out there and lead by example and lead the guys
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to victory.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
I think it's a I mean a combination.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
I think to your point, David's a combination of things,
especially in hockey. I mean, Landiskog and McKinnon and mccarr
could all have good games, but if Mackenzie Blackwood has
a tough night, like who cares, right, Yeah, so Mackenzie Blackwood.
I mean that probably is the right answer if we're
saying who has to come out and be like the
difference maker because in the playoffs it really is about
your goalie. This is one of those deals I can't decide.
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I would say that if it was a like a shootout,
but not not a shootout like is that if there's
a lot of goals scored in this one, I think
that would probably favor the Avs me too. Yeah, my
gut tells me that man. Dallas seemed to sort of
wake up this last game.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I don't think Dallas wants that kind of game. I
you know, I think you're right.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
I think they want again to constrict the ice, to
cut down on passing lanes and angles for shots. And
you know, I mean last game it was a six
to two game, but really in a couple of those goals,
I have no idea how the puck went in. As
a matter of fact, the first two goals for the
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for the Stars, it's two nothing after one it should
have been really nothing nothing.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
So I think the Avs.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
I think the As find a way to win tonight,
and then I think they go to Dallas. I think
it'll be a hell of a hard task, but I
think they win Game seven.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Very excited about that from the Nuggets. Of course, tonight
you're trying to close things out. You and I talked
about it yesterday, Dave. I do think the Minnesota experience
from last year, the embarrassment of this the forty poin lost,
forty five point loss on the road in Minnesota, that's
got a wagh on you. I mean it does. I
know it's a different leadership with your coaching staff and
GM and all those kinds of things, but it's still
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the core of that team that was there. I just
had this lasting memory of Nikola Jokic in that game
where he's standing on the sideline looking like the terminator
and you're just going like, man, he's about to go
off in Game seven. Now, they did for a while
until they got tired. The one thing here, and we
brought this up early in the season, when Nikola Jokic
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was playing a billion minutes.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
We said, hey, man, how's that going.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
To feel in the postseason?
Speaker 4 (27:35):
And you know what they've been Adamman's been forced to
play them a ton up to this point. So that's
one thing I'm going to be watching for tonight when
it comes to the Clippers game, is how are they
feeling out there. It's one thing to be in front
of your home crowd and Jamal's going off and everything
is clicking and it all feels great. If things aren't
going well and you've been playing forty plus minutes per game,
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that could wear on you.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
It really could. I mean, yeah, it could.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
But I think, and I think that we've seen some
of the TV commentators on TNT, the game analysts talk
about this, They called him the best conditioned athlete in
the NBA. I mean, if you look at where Nicola
Jokic was a few years back in terms of his
conditioning to where he is now, I mean, it's just
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phenomenal the change that he has made in body and
nutrition and everything. So be he'd be one guy that
I would count on not really fatiguing to the point
that it was so detrimental to his game. Not saying
won't get tired, but I think that guy has learned
how to play through fatigue.
Speaker 7 (28:42):
Well, talking about obviously the Nets getting tired, it was
obviously the last game. The Clippers were dead exhausted that
whole fourth quarter, Like it seemed like nobody actually wanted
the ball, you know, And and that's a I knew
it right then you watched it. All they lost because
they're you're worried about trying to cut your breath, you're
not worried about playing basketball. So we'll see which team,
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you know, has the more energy, I guess going into
this game. But man, it's just going back to what
JJ Reddick said. You know, we need championship conditioning, and
that's all throughout the league. And so it seems it's
becoming a problem because also, you know, obviously obviously Joker
plays a lot of minutes, but a lot of these
guys are load managed, and so by the time that
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the playoffs come around.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
You should be good.
Speaker 7 (29:27):
You should be able to go out there and play,
you know, the whole the whole game plus something because
you only played forty fifty games.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Yeah, Luca or kwhy you know.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
What I mean? You know what I mean?
Speaker 7 (29:38):
So and that, and that's kind of where it's like, well,
you don't play all year. You know, you don't play
the whole whole season. You take off about twenty twenty
five games a year, just talking about a many players
in general, and then when it comes to the playoffs,
you're you're you're you're exhausted.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Yeah, but those pretzels, man, I mean with the beard
cheese as the NFL player.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Yeah, hey a rotation, baby, I'm in an out what
you mean.
Speaker 7 (30:04):
But that's to saying, like if I was if you're
going to tell me, hey, we're gonna sit you out
of this, you know, the first thing, like okay, let's
say NFL NFL time, last game of the year, you
already clinched the number one spot people sit their players.
You best believe that whole week is full of conditioning,
even though you're not going to be like playing the
game that whole week, you're going to be sitting there
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conditioning get ready for the game. And so I don't
know where it went wrong over there, but you know,
these players need to get in championship shape if they
want to win these championships.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
I mean, I wonder a little bit for that game,
specifically for the Clippers. You're going back and forth between
sea level and altitude, right. The Nuggets are used to it,
They're they're they've been up here. The Clippers had a
couple of games up here and they ended up winning
one of them, right, But I do wonder if the
back and forth, I mean, I wouldn't know is a
professional athlete, the back and forth between sea level in
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the mountains here in the altitude, if that if that
was an impact on especially the fourth quarter for the Clippers.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
Think I think that probably played a factor.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
And I think the pace of the game.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
I thought the Nuggets, and we talked about this on
the show before the game, I thought the pace of
the game was going to be important Nuggets trying to push.
I worried about them trying to push and yet with
the bench that was so depleted, you know, wearing out
their starters. But I thought the pace of the game
was much much more to the Nuggets liking than the
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Clippers be.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
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three eighty five eighty five, callor five three or three
seven one three eighty five eighty five, and you're gonna
win a pair of tickets to seeither this Monday, May
fifth at Ford Amphitheater. Call five three or three seven
one three eighty five eighty five.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
You're on until seven.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Yeah, short sort of night.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Oh you got Rockies who are streaking short one in
a row, they won one.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
In a row.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
They're on a streak. That's what we decided that.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Yes, okay, when going the way to the.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Truth today, they're five and twenty five. Do they get
the ten wins orf, We don't worry about that.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Then, we don't worry about that they've won they won
in a row.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Yeah, slow down then, just just enjoy, enjoy the march
to the toolists.
Speaker 7 (32:12):
Speltinger, Yeah, I've been seeing his praises for a while.
I'm I'm a Ryan Felder fan.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Is that why you get the tattoo? Yeah? I have
a wager going the other way tonight. So do you
really every night?
Speaker 8 (32:27):
Is that as easy as money I make every day
putting money. That's a hard streak to argue. Five and
twenty five? How many of those games?
Speaker 5 (32:37):
How many of those games if you laid to run
and a half and took the opposition, would you have won?
Speaker 1 (32:44):
I'll bet I can look that up for you. I
think we should.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
I'll bet a lot if you if you laid a
run and a half, it took the team. The Rockies
were playing every game out of thirty, you would have
lost the last game.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yes. But but as I'm looking at.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
How many of those twenty five losses have been by
a run?
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Man, that's here.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
I got one.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
I'm just going by the ones that were lost by Yeah,
so I got one against Kansas City.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Was four to three.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
Yeah, one a East Washington was three to two, two
one against Washington twelve to eleven, three, eight to seven
to Los Angeles four.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Still go one? Oh this there's too much of a
pause between these. That's oh.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
And then Tampa Bay to start the season, three to
two five. It's four at four games total, I believe
plus the five.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
I mean with the.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
Five wins, it's five wins plus five, right, yeah, five ten? Yeah,
out of thirty forty you won.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Yeah no, they played thirty. They played thirty. I'm sorry,
thirty ten. Yeah, so twenty and ten.
Speaker 7 (33:51):
Yeah, that's not a that's a great reck to be
making some money. That's a great record right there.
Speaker 5 (33:56):
Princeville's pritty well later has the easier than the UFL.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Been special so far with the Giants.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
That being said, I think the toughest thing is Dave
is the Rockies splits, especially when they've been at home.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
When they go on the road, it just the bats
don't show up.
Speaker 7 (34:14):
What's split five and twenty five? That's just that's just
a business batting average.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
They're really they're not really hitting at home either.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Sounds like what split are we talking about? Historically?
Speaker 5 (34:27):
Historically is not any good. But this year in thirty games,
what what is it?
Speaker 8 (34:31):
I think it's the second best average split, Like.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Oh, that average is two eleven. I don't know what
the split is A. I bet they're hitting for like
the second worst record of all time.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Their home batting average it's two thirty four.
Speaker 7 (34:47):
Yeah, so on the road that's like yeah, wow, wow,
Well I didn't think it could do the math in
my head that I didn't think it was, you know,
so far below. You know what, I'm gonna be the
voice of positivity here and I'm gonna say that they
they are at least going to get a hit today.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Well, coach, that's just beaming.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
I don't know that you can.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Because the torpedo bats, and I don't know if I
bet on that.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Well, torpedo bats that we're lying you hitting the ball,
they're gonna get it.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
What about run?
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Why don't you be a little more bold?
Speaker 1 (35:20):
They'll get a run tonight.
Speaker 7 (35:21):
I'm bold with the forty point hardened thing. This this
is a this is gone.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
Yeah, because you say run, the day's like bet, well,
I'll take that action.
Speaker 7 (35:31):
Well, well, the Waukee bruising score today lost to the
White Sox eight to zero. White Sox now one to eight,
I think, right, yeah, but we don't don't. It's been
them two times.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Before that, but not Parlay going and that bustarded.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Oh so you've definitely repaid I was upset. He's the
one Problemler. Please do please call her text,
The Scamper and the run. Jake Plumber midfield forty five forty, forty.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Five, thirty, The Snake is Lose twenty five twenty Plumber
out of bows at the fifteen yard line and the
fans in Denver love. But that's a run of forty yards.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
The Snake's loose.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
I tell you what, Dave will probably never ever get
a call like the Snake.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Is Loose from you.
Speaker 5 (00:25):
Yeah, I'm trying to well, he's coming on, so he
would he would probably remember. I'm guessing he'd remember that game.
I was trying to think that wasn't I don't remember
what game that was. But he he could get out,
and when he did, you know what, he hit some
pretty good wheels.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Pretty amazing.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Jake Plumber joining us on the Kawakomasparate Health Hotline with
Dave Logan, Ryan Versus Shelby Harris.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Jake's great to have you on, man.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
How are you? I'm good.
Speaker 6 (00:49):
How you guys all do it?
Speaker 5 (00:50):
So we're doing We're going good, Jake, But first of all,
what what game was that that you got out and
ran like forty yards?
Speaker 6 (01:01):
I think it might have been a maybe Kansas City game, Okay,
or yeah, I'm trying to remember. It was early. It
was I think it was right when I first got there,
so everyone was waiting to see what I could do.
And it was a few games in and I took
off and I don't know, you know, running around like
that fear from my life was things I tried not
to remember.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I hear it.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Well, you might as well remember it if you get
plus forty right, yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:26):
Yeah, yeah, one of my longest runs. I think that
might have been my longest run in my career.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Wow, okay, very cool.
Speaker 6 (01:31):
Yeah. I loved getting out and running man, especially thinking
that you were going to throw the ball on the
defensive players, you know, when you were ten yards past
the line of scrimmage and they'd still jump. That was
always fun.
Speaker 7 (01:42):
Well that makes no sense. I see it all the time.
I'm just like, bro, why did you jump? He pumped? Well,
he's twenty yards past a lot of scrimmage. Like, well,
you see Lamar Jackson running downfield and just pumping pump,
aching and people actually jumping. Well, hey, Jay, guess Shelby here.
I really my first question I got as a QB,
you know, oppositely with a similar skill set to what
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bow Knicks kind of has with the mobility and and
you know, making making plays with your legs, were also
looking to throw it. You know, what did you think
that bow Knicks needed to work on this offseason to
really propel his game to the next level.
Speaker 6 (02:19):
Uh, you know, it's hard to analyze when I'm not
breaking down every game film. Just from what I saw
and the times that I saw it, you know, I
think he has massive potential because one, he's just a
phenomenal athlete, as you could see multiple times. Uh maybe
not feet set still making really amazing throws a few
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times be out making some bad throws, but that's how
you learn. And that's what I like to seeing. Was,
you know, his his ability to stand up for his
style of play, I think was what I when I
took away from what I saw. Maybe I'm wrong, but
it felt like he was stepping up to the plate
to say, hey, I can do this, let me play
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my style, and he really did a phenomenal job. So
working on his footwork, you know, maybe getting more comfortable
in anticipation a little bit, knowing routes and understanding like
better who to look at when you're you know, running
some deep corners, or deep posts, you know, like making
sure to not just rely on that really strong arm
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that he has, you know, like get that ball out quick.
You'll save yourself the hits. You'll you know, you'll get
the ball out of the guy's hands. So I think
that that kind of stuff is what you work on
once you've proven you can play. And what we saw
from Bow was phenomenal. I didn't mean he took care
of the ball so well. You don't really improve on that.
You just get lucky a few times and you know,
make good decisions. And that's what we saw from a rookie,
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which was encouraged and encouraging and and why I think
we're all excited to see his development into next year.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
All provo, I'll provo that's from Shelby himself.
Speaker 6 (03:53):
You know.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
One of the things I've been thinking about with Bow
going into year two, when teams get a bit of
film on you, as in your first starting season, maybe
you catch some defenses by surprise a little bit, you
hang a bunch of poison yards on him, like they
did against the Cleveland Browns. But more than anything, that's
a little shots Shelby. You you go into year two
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and now You're not surprising anybody now. They know exactly
what your tendencies are. So as a quarterback going from
year one to year two, how do you sort of
not only build on what you did, but also sort
of keep defenses off balance who might know some tendencies
of yours.
Speaker 6 (04:30):
Yeah, I mean it's having into that playbook and learning
the offense even deeper, at the deepest level you can.
And like I said, you know, getting the ability to
predict and anticipate a little bit. He's seen, he's been
through the offense. I saw, you know, we saw fans.
Everybody saw multiple times. You know, if there wasn't something there, quick,
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he was pretty quick to drop the eyes, take off
and do something. And he got away with it a
lot of times he made phenomenal plays and going to
his left, going to his right, stepping up in the pocket,
extending plays. I can recall my rookie year being a
lot like that. I got in and all of a
sudden they thought I was sacked, and then I pop
out of there and the dbs had stopped running, you know,
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And now that I go, stop covering your guy and
make Jake, make him make that pro he's feared us.
He's not gonna throw out of bounds. He's gonna try
to sling that thing thirty yards going to his left,
and sometimes it was good, and once in a while
it wasn't, so they stopped coming off the receiver. So
you'll see a lot more of trying to keep him
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from doing what he does really well and not as
extending plays. And you know, how do you do that?
I don't know. The league has changed so much that
that's really the style we're seeing as quarterbacks able to
get the ball out quick and in the hands of
these athletes around them, but then when they do drop
back if something isn't there, their escapability is phenomenal. I mean,
we see across the league most guys have some skills
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extending plays and creating something after you would think it
would be a loss. So he's just going to have
to continue to mature and grow and I think the
most important thing, and really who needs to maybe go
watch film as a fans and understand that you're gonna
just got to take what you get this next year.
First year amazing plan on the same thing. It's not better,
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but he may not, you know, he may not shine
as bride as he did that rookie year because you've
seen him already and understand though, we got a leader,
and that's the beautiful thing is leaders are going to
have their teams ready, and I think he motivates that
team and the players play hard for ms.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
We're talking former Bronco great Jake Plumber. I was going
to ask and you you may have sort of just
glossed over it when you think back to your career,
and I think the game obviously has changed from when
you came in, but still quarterbacks to come out of
college the first couple of years, what what two or.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Three, three or four things.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
We're most sort of present in your game in terms
of having to adjust once you got into the league.
What are these young guys today, what are two or
three of the key things that they have to be
aware of and adjust to.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
Man, you know, you're you're coming into the best of
the best, So you know it's one thing to be
your leader in college and now being paid athlete in
college and making pid more money than most of anyone
else on the team, and now you're coming into the
league where these these are the pros, are the best
of the best, and the rest has been weeded out.
So there's a part of really having the right kind
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of mentality around leadership and knowing how to respect the
players that have done it and learn from them, but
also find your role on that team and what that
sounds like, looks like, feels like, so you can you know,
really assume that role. I mean, not every team wants
a quarterback to be a boisterous, loud leader, you know,
but they do want them to be a hard worker
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and in the weight room early, and which is guys
and down the earth as much as you can be
when you're the face of the franchise. So you know,
it's it's a big jump. I mean that along with
the anticipation and get involves into tinier windows and no
one when to take those shots and when not to.
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You know. I think a lot of these kids have
been football almost to this before they even leave college.
So the next level with the pros is just honing
those skills even more and finding a something place to be.
I think having a coach that can analyze you and
is a master at you know, putting together that little
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pieces of a dynamic offense so that when one guy
gets hurt, it's not like, oh, no, but all right,
now we're going to see what this guy can do.
And I think when you have minds like that, you know, drafting,
maybe not the shiny object or the you know, the
one that people think, or maybe a guy who with
the slowest receiver in the combine right, four six one.
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There's obviously something there that this kid does that is beautiful.
And that could be he's really good with the timing
on you know, progressions, because Bo needs to get that
down you know, one, two and I get the three
if not, that's where both is beautiful. So you know
that next level was just you know, getting in the
meeting rooms with your coaches, with your QB coach, with
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the head coach, with your receivers, and making sure you
digest as much as you can for that next week.
You know that opportunity and now this year, next year
or two for both, that's really what he's got to
work on, and you know, just keep being the leader.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Love it.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Last one I have for you, Jake really appreciates time
as always, man, So I really enjoyed your story that
you you posted up on social media last week talking
about the draft and how excited it was when you
remember back to when you were drafted and when you
were coming into the league. What advice I guess would
you give rookies coming into the league.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
They just got drafted.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Their head's going to be on a swivel when they
get into rookie ca amp and then I mean, it's
already been a whirlwind as it is in the pre
draft process. But well, what's sort of your message I
guess to young players rookies coming into the league.
Speaker 6 (10:10):
Yeah, you got to trust trust in yourself, you know,
and trust that you're you got drafted and someone saw
you and and look at this beautiful opportunity that's now
afforded you. To go in and figure it out, do
the best you can. Not all, not all draft picks
have long, lucrative careers. It's a very small margin of
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those that make it, you know, past three years. So
you know, go in there with uh, you know, full
full confidence in yourself, knowing that it's going to be hard.
And there's guys out there that are six year, seven
year vets to that family and the lifestyle and they're
making the money that they feel comfortable with and you're
going to threaten them and so have a little healthy
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oaths of respect for those before you that have that
have done it. Not even just the current players that
are older, but even the players like you know that
you guys Shelby, Dave, you know, the guys that have played,
you know, have that have that respect and reverence for
the game because it really hasn't changed much. Athletes have
because they're coming out of college with a lot more
money in their pockets than most of us or all
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of us post you know, four or five years ago,
uh or pre four or five years ago. You know,
it's uh, it's just something to come into the league.
But trusting yourself that's the main thing. And if you
do that and you show up and you work your
butt off and take the lumps and take the jive
the jobbing and making fun of you and putting you down,
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you know, if you can get through all that and
trusting your abilities, things good things can happen.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I dig it.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
By the way, Shelby are crack staff.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Your research staff said it was against the Raiders that
you had that forty yard run.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
So Raiders there you go.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Yeah, appropriately against our division rivals, So good job.
Speaker 7 (11:51):
It is it hard to remember like back, like you know,
obviously I'm going on year twelve right now. But is
it hard to remember specific moments from your career?
Speaker 6 (12:00):
Yeah, I mean there's so many games. I mean, there
are a lot of There are a lot of times
and just certain games that stand out. And then there
are certain plays that you know, I'll never forget. So
I have the opportunity to make some pretty big plays
at opportune moments. So but yeah, and I could run
like that. I knew it was I had raiders were Chiefs.
I didn't say raiders. But uh no, I don't remember
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a lot of plays. Man, there's no way, how would
you I remember a lot of the dudes I played
with those guys, I played a game that's a lot
of the fun things and remember.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Awesome, Jake, You're the best. We appreciate the time, man,
thank you.
Speaker 6 (12:32):
Hey, you guys do well, have fun and peace, love
and mushrooms.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Oh you appreciate Jake perfect, Jake Plummer the best.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Yeah, it's funny you're talking about specific plays. I'd say
if I ever challenged Dave on specific plays, usually your
your memories remarkable.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Well that stuff. Maybe, I mean.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
I remember I remember plays like like Broncos plays. But
I think I think Jake's right. Probably if you think
back in my career as well before for his, you remember,
you remember outcomes of games and maybe a handful of plays,
but you remember the dude you played with like a
lot a lot more easily.
Speaker 7 (13:11):
And I remember, like I'm still playing, and I still
can't remember specific things you know, from earlier in my career.
But one thing though, and it's always known and everyone
always talks about it, is you know, the one thing
that you always remember is the locker room and the
guys you played with. The one thing you're going to
miss is the locker room and the guys you played with. Yeah,
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and you know that's what has guys hag on for
so long because.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
There's nothing really like it.
Speaker 7 (13:40):
Especially in football, because once you're done, you can't go
put the pads back on and just go play for fun,
you know, I mean, this is really this is it.
You can, but nobody wants to see it exactly, but like,
this is really it. This is once you're done, you're done,
and so you really got to enjoy every minute of
it because it's something that you know it won't ever
be replica.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Yeah, it's kind of a good point, right, I mean
maybe with basketball you can sort of pick up the
basketball and go play a little bit, so you can
hoop up a little bit with a lot of sports.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Be right, with football, it's over, man.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
You're not going to get in the backyard, put the
helmet on, get down in the three point stance with
the dog and say ready to go.
Speaker 6 (14:17):
Man.
Speaker 7 (14:17):
I might might blow something up that point, man, but
that's it. That's the greatest part just about football, though,
is that everybody kind of does know that this is
it and and that's why I feel like you do
play with so much emotion you do play because well, yeah,
like even everyone can talk about the money you make,
but that's not what got is starting to play football
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when we first started playing, and those feelings, those emotions
you feel that on game day, you know what I mean.
So that's what you know gets me up at night.
That's that's what I'm going to miss when I'm done.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Love that before we get back to the Nuggets.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Just wanted to follow up on the conversation with Bo
Nix on him in year two. There's some interesting things
he said there, you know, about taking that next step
and really kind of diving into the playbook and I'm
so fascinated. I think that we all right now feel
a bit of optimism about his ability to learn, his
ability to lead as those things that Jake pointed out.
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But you know those tendencies, man, I mean, that's that
the tape doesn't lie. And you know Shelby had his
opinion about what he saw out there in the field
against the Browns. Those same things are going to show
up next year. So how do you sort of build
on that?
Speaker 5 (15:26):
Well, I mean, the Broncos have to get better. Bow
has to be better, and Sean has to make sure
that while the foundation of the offense stays the same,
there's got to be plenty of things that you do
next year that you didn't do last year. Because defensive coordinators,
defensive coaches, they spend the entire offseason looking at every
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single game and breaking down especially like the Chiefs and
the Raiders and the Chargers. They'll look at the two
games that they played the Broncos and they'll look at
that quarterback in the offense and figure out what he likes,
what he was really good at, here's things he struggled
against and how can we be better against him this year?
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So and the Broncos have been doing the same thing
in reverse for Bo. But I do think your question
was good in terms of from Jake's standpoint, that second
year for a rookie quarterback going into his second year.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
And I don't have the stats in front of me, but.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
I think there is the possibility of guys coming back
to Earth a little bit. Doesn't mean he won't be
a good player, certainly doesn't mean he won't have a
good career. But you know, he came into this league
and the only tape that early in the season teams
had was him.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
At Oregon or Auburn.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Now they've got seventeen games eighteen games actually of Bo
Nicks in this Broncos offense. So it's up to Sean
and the coach staff here to change and continue to
grow that offense and have you know, a new flavor
or two for Bo to be able to choose.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
And I'm not gonna I'm not gonna let you.
Speaker 7 (17:14):
I'm not gonna let you sit here and try to
say that, oh I shall we said this or no.
If you look at the stats the Cleveland the game
against the Cleveland Browns and then the game two weeks
later because they had a bye regret after our bow.
Next is two worst games of the season.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Well, that's impossible to say, because the Seattle game and
the Jets game also happened.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
Well, if you look at the Seattle game, okay, percentage wise,
completion percentage wise, Cleveland was the worst game of the year,
and obviously the first two games of Seattle pitch we're
not even talking about. We're talking about when he actually
started getting rolling, like and and adver sent that from
Tampa Bay on.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
You know.
Speaker 7 (17:50):
So Cleveland was the worst completion percentage of the year
against What do you attribute that to? Your back end?
Here we go, I think it's a total defensive ever been,
you know, but even though even if you're not getting
sacks and you're not, it's still about getting pressure and
getting his face and making a move off his spot,
which he had to do a lot that game. And
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then the next game is Indy. You know, he struggled
again two for three, three touchdowns, three deceptions, and so
my analysis of him was just off of one game,
which actually ended up being one of his worst games
of the season. So, but if you look at all
the other games, hell of a game. And so that's
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what happens though. You know, in the ady quarterback, you
go from having great games and you're gonna have one
bad game. So I think he's gonna recover. I think
he's gonna do good. But stop putting that, stoppertting it
on me, stopping I can only go off of what
I see, I know, and also I've made it, always
made it very clear. He looked way better. The games
are four is as he struggled against us, but also
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if you look at the stats, you run a lot
of man to man. He struggled against man and man,
I'm struggling right now, is running right now?
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Like, what do you want from me? It's good, all right?
So the Nuggets night.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
We'll come back to the Broncos a litt later, but
the Nuggets tonight, Dave on Tuesday, we felt like that
was a Jamal Murray opportunity game, right. I think we
were pretty clear on that. We said, boy, this would
be one of those games for Jamal to really show up.
Are you going to predict Jamal's the guy again tonight?
Or do you have somebody else in mind?
Speaker 6 (19:32):
No?
Speaker 5 (19:32):
I mean I think Jamal has to be now he
might not shoot it as well as he shot it
in the last game, but I think he has to
be as aggressive. I want to see Jamal And again,
we talked about this after after Game five. I mean,
Jamal historically has been a guy that would come off
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the high screen roll either pull up for a jump shot,
get it back to Jokich on the roll, or take
the ball to the basket. But he really has never
been a catch and shoot guy. And that element of
his game was evident in Game five where the ball
would swing he's got it outside three point range and
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he just cast.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
And so I want to see that.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
I want to see him be as aggressive in getting
the ball to the basket because he clearly, I mean,
he's other than Jokic, he's their best scoring option.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
He's their best shooter.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
I know MPG when he gets going, can knock it
down too, but so well they get forty three, probably not,
but I want to see him as aggressive as we
saw him in game five.
Speaker 7 (20:44):
Well, just as hot as he was. He was just
as cold the game before. So I think everyone would
be fine if you just got something in the middle,
you know, I mean, a consistent twenty.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
But I just want to see him shoot it.
Speaker 7 (20:55):
Yeah, I want to see him just I don't want
them to see him lose the confidence, just keep going.
But also who I don't want to see lose the
confidence is Michael Porter Junior. I know, like I've been
on here throughout the weeks and I've been pumping Michael
Porter Jr. Saying you know he I really truly believe
that he can be the X factor for them because
obviously you know what you're getting out of Aaron Gordon,
and you know what you're getting really out of all
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the other guys. It's this Michael Porter Junior is the
one who one game will give you five, one game
will drop thirty.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
He's playing with one arm.
Speaker 7 (21:25):
Okay, that we don't use excuses in the sports world.
Don't play if you're too hurt to play, if you're
too hurt to play, don't play. We're not going to
use that excuses. Oh, Steph, you're not gonna get to
me because he has the thing, he's the option to play.
But that's dirty play. They're playing dirty, intentially attacking Steph
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Curry's arm. Michael Porter Junior shoulders hurt. Yes, he's choosing
to go out there and play, and he it's hurting
it's hurting him, it's hurting the team.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
So you know that's on him. You know, once you.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Decide what I love how he's trusted himself in all
sorts of no.
Speaker 7 (22:07):
As an athlete, if you choose to go on that court,
I don't want to hear anything about your injury. Like
that's that's the thing. That's a football mentality. That's how
it's going to be up everywhere. And that's how I'm
teaching my kids. If you're gonna go out there and play,
I don't want to hear you complaining. Go out there
and play the game. We'll fixed all the other stuff later.
But during this game, and I don't want to hear
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any talk about your injury or after the game when
you had to struggles, don't say I'm hurt. No, then
you shouldn't have played.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
You realize just you're moving the goalpost.
Speaker 7 (22:38):
Here, because he's the thing. Steph Curry would be fine
playing with his hand. The thing is, though they're intentionally
smacking his hand.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
So they intentionally Michael Porter Jr.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Not though, but also a shoulder that's a foul. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
We had a texture that said something to that effect
that he thought the Clippers were taken.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
I've seen that. Just Swipe said, I didn't seen that before.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
I I haven't seen it that I remember seeing it,
but I will be conscious of it.
Speaker 7 (23:05):
I will watch. That's all I can do. I'm an
imperfect man, but you can watch, and I can.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
We'll leave your chance to win.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
See their tickets coming up here in about seven minutes
to listen for that queue to call this our chance,
one of a thousand dollars coming up the next five
minutes thanks to Maverick.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Again, if you.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Missed any of our conversations earlier with Jake Plummer or
Trevor Sikima from Pro Football Focus, those will be up
at Koacolorado dot com.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
All right, Dave, so I asked you about the Nuggets.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
And the player that you're most looking forward to tonight,
maybe being the difference maker.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Who is it for the Avalanche? Oh Man.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
Said, I'm going to take the easy one, and I'm
going to say kem mccarr. Okay, and again he's not
been sort of vintage mccar in the first five games
in this series, but I think he's too great a
player to think that this is you know, this is
going to continue like forever so I'm gonna I'm gonna
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go in on Kale.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
I'm kind of wondering for Nathan McKinnon, who got snubbed
today with the Heart Trophy. I'm kind of wondering what
that that might do to Like, again, it'd be sort
of cheating to take one of the best players in
the planet, the best player in the ABS, to say
that's the guy that's going to go off tonight. But
did you wonder a little bit about maybe in little
edginess for Nathan McKinnon tonight.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
I see, I don't know if hockey players. I don't
know if hockey players think that way. I mean, I
think it would make sense. You know, competitive professional athletes,
somebody gets snubbed, it's like, okay, you know, that makes
absolute sense. But hockey players seem to be not that
they're not competitive, and certainly they're tough as hell, but
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they're also.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Humble, and so maybe maybe he would. What do you
think about tonight?
Speaker 6 (25:01):
Man?
Speaker 7 (25:02):
I know I was saying we got to get off
the high of Landiskogg.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
But let's do it. I'm back on it. I'm back
on here, you know.
Speaker 7 (25:09):
So I just think that, you know, in order for
them to really reach the goals they want to go.
All of their guys, all their names, are going to
have to step up. But I just think, you know, Landiscog,
he's going to be the one who's he is the captain,
and the captain has to you know, lead, and he
has to lead by example. So he's going to go
out there and lead by example and lead the guys
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to victory.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
I think it's a I mean a combination.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
I think to your point, David's a combination of things,
especially in hockey. I mean, Landiskog and McKinnon and mccarr
could all have good games, but if Mackenzie Blackwood has
a tough night, like who cares, right, Yeah, so Mackenzie Blackwood.
I mean that probably is the right answer if we're
saying who has to come out and be like the
difference maker because in the playoffs it really is about
your goalie. This is one of those deals I can't decide.
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I would say that if it was a like a shootout,
but not not a shootout like is that if there's
a lot of goals scored in this one, I think
that would probably favor the Avs me too. Yeah, my
gut tells me that man. Dallas seemed to sort of
wake up this last game.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I don't think Dallas wants that kind of game. I
you know, I think you're right.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
I think they want again to constrict the ice, to
cut down on passing lanes and angles for shots. And
you know, I mean last game it was a six
to two game, but really in a couple of those goals,
I have no idea how the puck went in. As
a matter of fact, the first two goals for the
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for the Stars, it's two nothing after one it should
have been really nothing nothing.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
So I think the Avs.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
I think the As find a way to win tonight,
and then I think they go to Dallas. I think
it'll be a hell of a hard task, but I
think they win Game seven.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Very excited about that from the Nuggets. Of course, tonight
you're trying to close things out. You and I talked
about it yesterday, Dave. I do think the Minnesota experience
from last year, the embarrassment of this the forty poin lost,
forty five point loss on the road in Minnesota, that's
got a wagh on you. I mean it does. I
know it's a different leadership with your coaching staff and
GM and all those kinds of things, but it's still
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the core of that team that was there. I just
had this lasting memory of Nikola Jokic in that game
where he's standing on the sideline looking like the terminator
and you're just going like, man, he's about to go
off in Game seven. Now, they did for a while
until they got tired. The one thing here, and we
brought this up early in the season, when Nikola Jokic
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was playing a billion minutes.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
We said, hey, man, how's that going.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
To feel in the postseason?
Speaker 4 (27:35):
And you know what they've been Adamman's been forced to
play them a ton up to this point. So that's
one thing I'm going to be watching for tonight when
it comes to the Clippers game, is how are they
feeling out there. It's one thing to be in front
of your home crowd and Jamal's going off and everything
is clicking and it all feels great. If things aren't
going well and you've been playing forty plus minutes per game,
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that could wear on you.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
It really could. I mean, yeah, it could.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
But I think, and I think that we've seen some
of the TV commentators on TNT, the game analysts talk
about this, They called him the best conditioned athlete in
the NBA. I mean, if you look at where Nicola
Jokic was a few years back in terms of his
conditioning to where he is now, I mean, it's just
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phenomenal the change that he has made in body and
nutrition and everything. So be he'd be one guy that
I would count on not really fatiguing to the point
that it was so detrimental to his game. Not saying
won't get tired, but I think that guy has learned
how to play through fatigue.
Speaker 7 (28:42):
Well, talking about obviously the Nets getting tired, it was
obviously the last game. The Clippers were dead exhausted that
whole fourth quarter, Like it seemed like nobody actually wanted
the ball, you know, And and that's a I knew
it right then you watched it. All they lost because
they're you're worried about trying to cut your breath, you're
not worried about playing basketball. So we'll see which team,
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you know, has the more energy, I guess going into
this game. But man, it's just going back to what
JJ Reddick said. You know, we need championship conditioning, and
that's all throughout the league. And so it seems it's
becoming a problem because also, you know, obviously obviously Joker
plays a lot of minutes, but a lot of these
guys are load managed, and so by the time that
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the playoffs come around.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
You should be good.
Speaker 7 (29:27):
You should be able to go out there and play,
you know, the whole the whole game plus something because
you only played forty fifty games.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Yeah, Luca or kwhy you know.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
What I mean? You know what I mean?
Speaker 7 (29:38):
So and that, and that's kind of where it's like, well,
you don't play all year. You know, you don't play
the whole whole season. You take off about twenty twenty
five games a year, just talking about a many players
in general, and then when it comes to the playoffs,
you're you're you're you're exhausted.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Yeah, but those pretzels, man, I mean with the beard
cheese as the NFL player.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Yeah, hey a rotation, baby, I'm in an out what
you mean.
Speaker 7 (30:04):
But that's to saying, like if I was if you're
going to tell me, hey, we're gonna sit you out
of this, you know, the first thing, like okay, let's
say NFL NFL time, last game of the year, you
already clinched the number one spot people sit their players.
You best believe that whole week is full of conditioning,
even though you're not going to be like playing the
game that whole week, you're going to be sitting there
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conditioning get ready for the game. And so I don't
know where it went wrong over there, but you know,
these players need to get in championship shape if they
want to win these championships.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
I mean, I wonder a little bit for that game,
specifically for the Clippers. You're going back and forth between
sea level and altitude, right. The Nuggets are used to it,
They're they're they've been up here. The Clippers had a
couple of games up here and they ended up winning
one of them, right, But I do wonder if the
back and forth, I mean, I wouldn't know is a
professional athlete, the back and forth between sea level in
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the mountains here in the altitude, if that if that
was an impact on especially the fourth quarter for the Clippers.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
Think I think that probably played a factor.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
And I think the pace of the game.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
I thought the Nuggets, and we talked about this on
the show before the game, I thought the pace of
the game was going to be important Nuggets trying to push.
I worried about them trying to push and yet with
the bench that was so depleted, you know, wearing out
their starters. But I thought the pace of the game
was much much more to the Nuggets liking than the
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Clippers be.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Calling number five right now, three or three seven one
three eighty five eighty five, callor five three or three
seven one three eighty five eighty five, and you're gonna
win a pair of tickets to seeither this Monday, May
fifth at Ford Amphitheater. Call five three or three seven
one three eighty five eighty five.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
You're on until seven.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Yeah, short sort of night.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Oh you got Rockies who are streaking short one in
a row, they won one.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
In a row.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
They're on a streak. That's what we decided that.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Yes, okay, when going the way to the.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Truth today, they're five and twenty five. Do they get
the ten wins orf, We don't worry about that.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Then, we don't worry about that they've won they won
in a row.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Yeah, slow down then, just just enjoy, enjoy the march
to the toolists.
Speaker 7 (32:12):
Speltinger, Yeah, I've been seeing his praises for a while.
I'm I'm a Ryan Felder fan.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Is that why you get the tattoo? Yeah? I have
a wager going the other way tonight. So do you
really every night?
Speaker 8 (32:27):
Is that as easy as money I make every day
putting money. That's a hard streak to argue. Five and
twenty five? How many of those games?
Speaker 5 (32:37):
How many of those games if you laid to run
and a half and took the opposition, would you have won?
Speaker 1 (32:44):
I'll bet I can look that up for you. I
think we should.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
I'll bet a lot if you if you laid a
run and a half, it took the team. The Rockies
were playing every game out of thirty, you would have
lost the last game.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yes. But but as I'm looking at.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
How many of those twenty five losses have been by
a run?
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Man, that's here.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
I got one.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
I'm just going by the ones that were lost by Yeah,
so I got one against Kansas City.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Was four to three.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
Yeah, one a East Washington was three to two, two
one against Washington twelve to eleven, three, eight to seven
to Los Angeles four.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Still go one? Oh this there's too much of a
pause between these. That's oh.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
And then Tampa Bay to start the season, three to
two five. It's four at four games total, I believe
plus the five.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
I mean with the.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
Five wins, it's five wins plus five, right, yeah, five ten? Yeah,
out of thirty forty you won.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Yeah no, they played thirty. They played thirty. I'm sorry,
thirty ten. Yeah, so twenty and ten.
Speaker 7 (33:51):
Yeah, that's not a that's a great reck to be
making some money. That's a great record right there.
Speaker 5 (33:56):
Princeville's pritty well later has the easier than the UFL.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Been special so far with the Giants.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
That being said, I think the toughest thing is Dave
is the Rockies splits, especially when they've been at home.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
When they go on the road, it just the bats
don't show up.
Speaker 7 (34:14):
What's split five and twenty five? That's just that's just
a business batting average.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
They're really they're not really hitting at home either.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Sounds like what split are we talking about? Historically?
Speaker 5 (34:27):
Historically is not any good. But this year in thirty games,
what what is it?
Speaker 8 (34:31):
I think it's the second best average split, Like.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Oh, that average is two eleven. I don't know what
the split is A. I bet they're hitting for like
the second worst record of all time.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Their home batting average it's two thirty four.
Speaker 7 (34:47):
Yeah, so on the road that's like yeah, wow, wow,
Well I didn't think it could do the math in
my head that I didn't think it was, you know,
so far below. You know what, I'm gonna be the
voice of positivity here and I'm gonna say that they
they are at least going to get a hit today.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Well, coach, that's just beaming.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
I don't know that you can.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Because the torpedo bats, and I don't know if I
bet on that.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Well, torpedo bats that we're lying you hitting the ball,
they're gonna get it.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
What about run?
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Why don't you be a little more bold?
Speaker 1 (35:20):
They'll get a run tonight.
Speaker 7 (35:21):
I'm bold with the forty point hardened thing. This this
is a this is gone.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
Yeah, because you say run, the day's like bet, well,
I'll take that action.
Speaker 7 (35:31):
Well, well, the Waukee bruising score today lost to the
White Sox eight to zero. White Sox now one to eight,
I think, right, yeah, but we don't don't. It's been
them two times.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Before that, but not Parlay going and that bustarded.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Oh so you've definitely repaid I was upset. He's the
one Problemler. Please do please call her text,
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