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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Punk drop is six o'clock and that helps break down.
Right now we add onto the Kawa Common Spirit Health
high Line and bring on John Michael Lyles, John Michael Leiles,
thank you so much for the time.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
As always, you're on with Dave Logan, Ryan Edwards and
Rick Lewis.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
How are you, man, I'm doing great. Thanks for having
me on.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
Guys, Yeah, we certainly appreciate talking.
Speaker 5 (00:18):
Let me just ask you, as you look at Game
seven and obviously a lot of interest in that and
the matchup between the Stars and the Avs, what aside
from the fact that they're really well coached and they've
got excellent players, but from a strategic standpoint, what couple
of things make the Stars such a difficult matchup for
(00:40):
the Avs.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Well, listen, they're very deep in the sense of they've
they've got three really good forward lines. Their fourth line
is good as well.
Speaker 6 (00:53):
But doesn't score as I would say prolifically as the.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Top three, and all three are they can score in bunches.
You look at their top three lines and there's there's
some really really good players in there. And you know,
Jason Robertson hasn't even been in this series because he
could hurt. And then Jake Ottinger is just really really good.
(01:16):
And but Kenzie, you know, Mackenzie Blackwood is six foot
four and he feels like a giant, and then you
walk by Jake Ottinger and he's six foot six, and
somehow he seems even bigger. And I mean, I don't
know how you see any space when he's in net,
especially when he comes out.
Speaker 6 (01:33):
And challenges like he did quite a bit last night.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
And the ABS put a lot of pucks on him
last night, say about forty forty six shots I believe
they had. And you know, Jake Odre stood tall for
for you know, quite a few of those. And but
that's that's kind of the secret is you know, you
got to take his eyes away. He's so good at
reading pucks through traffic and you have to limit any
(01:57):
sort of quick breaks or Dallas they're very good transition team,
as they showed in the second period.
Speaker 6 (02:02):
Especially last night.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
And and you know, for me, when you look at
the guys that got on the board, Marty.
Speaker 6 (02:09):
Natchius, you know, going on assist last night, Cale mccarr,
you know, he.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
He got on the board as well, had his you know,
probably best game of the series, and I would say
that was even ahead of Game four. Even though he
didn't score, he was really good in Game four.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
So for the Avs, it's it's.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Gotta be that kind of similar.
Speaker 6 (02:30):
Layout, I would say, or blueprint.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
For tomorrow, and that is tons of pucks at are
and you have to make it chaotic for him in front. Uh,
you know, I don't. I mean, I hope the Avs
don't go down nine seconds in like they did in
Game five, but you know, I don't see that happening again,
just off a fluke bounce.
Speaker 7 (02:50):
You know.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
I think Tomorrow night's gonna be a really interesting, really
fun game to see. And you know, the Avs are
zero and three in game sevens against Dallas in years past.
Speaker 6 (03:00):
Hopefully this is this is the breakthrough.
Speaker 8 (03:02):
We're talking to John Michael Lyles, John, it's it's Rick
Lewis here. Obviously, home ice is an advantage for the Stars,
and we were talking earlier about that ice can be
really slow there in Dallas and it plays to their advantage.
How much of a difference does slow ice make with
a team like the Avalanche that are so fast, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
It's definitely, you know, it's an advantage, I would say. Now,
you know, the NHL has pretty strict ice protocols, is
what I would say. But just given the kind of
you know, the weather down there, and you know, it's
just it's a different environment. And that's kind of how
it is when you go to these different places Florida
and you know, Vegas and some of these warmer areas,
or you get up to like Edmondson is notorious for
(03:49):
really really good fast ice, and so yeah, it's Dallas
is a little bit slower, a little bit choppier at
times from from you know, my time in the league,
remembering what it was like playing there regularly. So yeah,
it can be a bit of an advantage. But you know,
in the end, the av did win Game one there,
so you know, they've shown they can win there, and
they've shown i mean that game was very tight up
(04:10):
until midway through the third period. They've you know, they've
shown they can win those close games, even though they
lost in Games two and three in overtime. So, like
I said, similar blueprint to last night, it has to
be very smart hockey. You can't be stubborn, you can't
turn the puck over at the blue lines which the
Ads have gotten in trouble, you know, for a couple
of games to turn and tucks over and just making
(04:30):
it easy for the Dallas transition. So it has to
be a very very smart I think, just I've been
saying it on the broadcast, A non stubborn game from
the Abs.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
How do you feel about the power play?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
I mean, we've talked a ton about this and it's
been a point of contention.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
So hopefully the Abs move on after this.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Series and whether they play the Jets of the Blues,
but the power play has been a source of frustration.
I imagine is there anything that they can do with
this point in the season or the postseason.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Well, listen, there's you know, when you play a team
game in and game out in a seven game series,
the pre scouts are mind numbing the amount of information
that you're given. And so they've seen essentially every goal
that Colorado has scored throughout the regular season on the
power play. Probably not everyone, but you know, we'll call
(05:24):
it fifty percent of them. And the tendencies of all
the players on the power play, as well as the
tendencies of what the power play is trying to do,
so anytime that happens, it's slight adjustments or kind of
what are made. What I would say is special teams
if the Avs can win, and this has kind of
been the case through most of the series, although last
(05:45):
night it wasn't, but the special team's battle has kind
of determined the winner of the game. And so if
abs penalty kill can shut down the Dallas power play,
then as power play can get a goal or two.
I mean, it's so huge, you know, the power player
will say, looks bat last night, the one they had
there in the third late on the penalty on Calee mccarr.
(06:06):
They didn't score, but we were talking about it during
the broadcast. They didn't lose momentum, which I think is
the big thing. If you don't generate any shots, any
clear scoring chances, and it's just ice down or ice
down the ice over and over again, and all you're
doing is trying to break in and then the other
team is shutting you down and it's just tossed down
the ice a lot of times, that can be a
(06:27):
huge momentum ship. So for the Ads last night, although
they didn't score on that third period power play, I
would say that the momentum generated and kept from the
power play chances. It was a really good thing for them.
The last call at five and a half minutes of.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
The game, we're talking to John Michael, Lyles's former out
standing player with the Abs, John Mike, I want to
ask you one one question, final question from a Dallas perspective.
You know, Peter de Borr is highly regarded as a coach.
I think he's eight to zero in Game seven. He's
a guy that usually even for you know, Novice fans,
(07:03):
he usually it looks like he comes up with a
real good game plan. If you were looking from the
stars perspective at the current avs, what couple of things
would be most important for Dallas tomorrow night in terms
of getting control of the game.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Well, listen, this is I'm kind of taking it from
his press conferences in game five and then also his
press conference before Game six yesterday. You know, Peter bor
is highly regarded. His assistant coaches, Steve Spott I actually
had him at one point, and he's a very brilliant
hockey mind, and they've they've gone kind of all over
(07:43):
the place together. But Peter bor said after Game five
they matched the Jamie Ben line up against the McKinnon
line for the entire night essentially, and when you have
that home mis advantage, you get the luxury of last change.
And so they were able to get the Ben line
out there, and he thought that Jamie Benn, even though
he didn't score in that game, was really really good.
(08:04):
And so I'm sure that they're probably going to go
right back to that and line up that the Ben.
I believe it's Wyatt Johnson and de Danov against McKinnon,
so they, you know, Jared Bednar's got to find some
creative ways to hopefully get McKinnon out there away from
Jamie Ben. And then before Game six in the morning,
they talked about eighty percent of their pre scout prior
(08:25):
to the series was on McKinnon and mccar and so
to me, I mean, yeah, like McKinnon and mccar two
the best players in the league, and every team keys
on them, especially in the playoffs. But you know Dallas
is looking at them and mccarre having a really good
game in Game six, I think they're gonna be keying
on McKinnon and mccar especially, so if you can get
(08:48):
some depth scoring, if you're the ads, if you can
get that second line, which looked really good last night,
the Chushkin had a couple of goals. Brock Nelson looked
really good. And since Gabe landeskag Is moved onto that
second line, I feel like they've been very dangerous and
it was only a matter of time. So if you
can get that second line going all of a sudden,
it makes your matchups a little bit tougher.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
If your peta bor.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
One quick question.
Speaker 8 (09:12):
You grew up in the Midwest, played college hockey in Michigan.
I grew up in Michigan. You grew up in skates
when you grew up in that part of the country.
Did you ever show up with figure skates when you
were a kid to the rink?
Speaker 7 (09:27):
I I think I figure skated one time when I
was starting starting to learn to skate. Now, I grew
up in Indiana, so it's you know, there's a handful
of rinks in Indiana.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
That is what I would say. I think I did
it one time, and the next time I went out,
you know, five or six years old, I had hockey
skates on and I'm pretty sure I went for the
topic it didn't exist, and then I just I think
I blasted my nose open on the ice and there
was blood everywhere. My mom My mom still reminds me
to this day.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Every time.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Johnny, Hey, this was a lot of fun.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Man.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Really appreciate your time.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I mean, wonderful job as an analyst there on Altitude.
We really appreciate you joining us.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Today, Man, appreciate it. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Thanks Man, Thank you. John Right. Oh, he's fantastic. Yeah,
you know he knows the game. Sure, sure, he is
so good. Also, Rick, you shouldn't feel bad about your
finger skating.
Speaker 8 (10:20):
That's for Ryan. I was just thinking you shouldn't feel bad.
You showed up with figure skates. You said, that's all.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
That's all they had, right, right, I didn't have an option.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Is any wrong with that?
Speaker 4 (10:31):
No, that's just fine, people
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Said, I was confused.
Punk drop is six o'clock and that helps break down.
Right now we add onto the Kawa Common Spirit Health
high Line and bring on John Michael Lyles, John Michael Leiles,
thank you so much for the time.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
As always, you're on with Dave Logan, Ryan Edwards and
Rick Lewis.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
How are you, man, I'm doing great. Thanks for having
me on.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
Guys, Yeah, we certainly appreciate talking.
Speaker 5 (00:18):
Let me just ask you, as you look at Game
seven and obviously a lot of interest in that and
the matchup between the Stars and the Avs, what aside
from the fact that they're really well coached and they've
got excellent players, but from a strategic standpoint, what couple
of things make the Stars such a difficult matchup for
(00:40):
the Avs.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Well, listen, they're very deep in the sense of they've
they've got three really good forward lines. Their fourth line
is good as well.
Speaker 6 (00:53):
But doesn't score as I would say prolifically as the.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Top three, and all three are they can score in bunches.
You look at their top three lines and there's there's
some really really good players in there. And you know,
Jason Robertson hasn't even been in this series because he
could hurt. And then Jake Ottinger is just really really good.
(01:16):
And but Kenzie, you know, Mackenzie Blackwood is six foot
four and he feels like a giant, and then you
walk by Jake Ottinger and he's six foot six, and
somehow he seems even bigger. And I mean, I don't
know how you see any space when he's in net,
especially when he comes out.
Speaker 6 (01:33):
And challenges like he did quite a bit last night.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
And the ABS put a lot of pucks on him
last night, say about forty forty six shots I believe
they had. And you know, Jake Odre stood tall for
for you know, quite a few of those. And but
that's that's kind of the secret is you know, you
got to take his eyes away. He's so good at
reading pucks through traffic and you have to limit any
(01:57):
sort of quick breaks or Dallas they're very good transition team,
as they showed in the second period.
Speaker 6 (02:02):
Especially last night.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
And and you know, for me, when you look at
the guys that got on the board, Marty.
Speaker 6 (02:09):
Natchius, you know, going on assist last night, Cale mccarr,
you know, he.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
He got on the board as well, had his you know,
probably best game of the series, and I would say
that was even ahead of Game four. Even though he
didn't score, he was really good in Game four.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
So for the Avs, it's it's.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Gotta be that kind of similar.
Speaker 6 (02:30):
Layout, I would say, or blueprint.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
For tomorrow, and that is tons of pucks at are
and you have to make it chaotic for him in front. Uh,
you know, I don't. I mean, I hope the Avs
don't go down nine seconds in like they did in
Game five, but you know, I don't see that happening again,
just off a fluke bounce.
Speaker 7 (02:50):
You know.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
I think Tomorrow night's gonna be a really interesting, really
fun game to see. And you know, the Avs are
zero and three in game sevens against Dallas in years past.
Speaker 6 (03:00):
Hopefully this is this is the breakthrough.
Speaker 8 (03:02):
We're talking to John Michael Lyles, John, it's it's Rick
Lewis here. Obviously, home ice is an advantage for the Stars,
and we were talking earlier about that ice can be
really slow there in Dallas and it plays to their advantage.
How much of a difference does slow ice make with
a team like the Avalanche that are so fast, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
It's definitely, you know, it's an advantage, I would say. Now,
you know, the NHL has pretty strict ice protocols, is
what I would say. But just given the kind of
you know, the weather down there, and you know, it's
just it's a different environment. And that's kind of how
it is when you go to these different places Florida
and you know, Vegas and some of these warmer areas,
or you get up to like Edmondson is notorious for
(03:49):
really really good fast ice, and so yeah, it's Dallas
is a little bit slower, a little bit choppier at
times from from you know, my time in the league,
remembering what it was like playing there regularly. So yeah,
it can be a bit of an advantage. But you know,
in the end, the av did win Game one there,
so you know, they've shown they can win there, and
they've shown i mean that game was very tight up
(04:10):
until midway through the third period. They've you know, they've
shown they can win those close games, even though they
lost in Games two and three in overtime. So, like
I said, similar blueprint to last night, it has to
be very smart hockey. You can't be stubborn, you can't
turn the puck over at the blue lines which the
Ads have gotten in trouble, you know, for a couple
of games to turn and tucks over and just making
(04:30):
it easy for the Dallas transition. So it has to
be a very very smart I think, just I've been
saying it on the broadcast, A non stubborn game from
the Abs.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
How do you feel about the power play?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
I mean, we've talked a ton about this and it's
been a point of contention.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
So hopefully the Abs move on after this.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Series and whether they play the Jets of the Blues,
but the power play has been a source of frustration.
I imagine is there anything that they can do with
this point in the season or the postseason.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Well, listen, there's you know, when you play a team
game in and game out in a seven game series,
the pre scouts are mind numbing the amount of information
that you're given. And so they've seen essentially every goal
that Colorado has scored throughout the regular season on the
power play. Probably not everyone, but you know, we'll call
(05:24):
it fifty percent of them. And the tendencies of all
the players on the power play, as well as the
tendencies of what the power play is trying to do,
so anytime that happens, it's slight adjustments or kind of
what are made. What I would say is special teams
if the Avs can win, and this has kind of
been the case through most of the series, although last
(05:45):
night it wasn't, but the special team's battle has kind
of determined the winner of the game. And so if
abs penalty kill can shut down the Dallas power play,
then as power play can get a goal or two.
I mean, it's so huge, you know, the power player
will say, looks bat last night, the one they had
there in the third late on the penalty on Calee mccarr.
(06:06):
They didn't score, but we were talking about it during
the broadcast. They didn't lose momentum, which I think is
the big thing. If you don't generate any shots, any
clear scoring chances, and it's just ice down or ice
down the ice over and over again, and all you're
doing is trying to break in and then the other
team is shutting you down and it's just tossed down
the ice a lot of times, that can be a
(06:27):
huge momentum ship. So for the Ads last night, although
they didn't score on that third period power play, I
would say that the momentum generated and kept from the
power play chances. It was a really good thing for them.
The last call at five and a half minutes of.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
The game, we're talking to John Michael, Lyles's former out
standing player with the Abs, John Mike, I want to
ask you one one question, final question from a Dallas perspective.
You know, Peter de Borr is highly regarded as a coach.
I think he's eight to zero in Game seven. He's
a guy that usually even for you know, Novice fans,
(07:03):
he usually it looks like he comes up with a
real good game plan. If you were looking from the
stars perspective at the current avs, what couple of things
would be most important for Dallas tomorrow night in terms
of getting control of the game.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Well, listen, this is I'm kind of taking it from
his press conferences in game five and then also his
press conference before Game six yesterday. You know, Peter bor
is highly regarded. His assistant coaches, Steve Spott I actually
had him at one point, and he's a very brilliant
hockey mind, and they've they've gone kind of all over
(07:43):
the place together. But Peter bor said after Game five
they matched the Jamie Ben line up against the McKinnon
line for the entire night essentially, and when you have
that home mis advantage, you get the luxury of last change.
And so they were able to get the Ben line
out there, and he thought that Jamie Benn, even though
he didn't score in that game, was really really good.
(08:04):
And so I'm sure that they're probably going to go
right back to that and line up that the Ben.
I believe it's Wyatt Johnson and de Danov against McKinnon,
so they, you know, Jared Bednar's got to find some
creative ways to hopefully get McKinnon out there away from
Jamie Ben. And then before Game six in the morning,
they talked about eighty percent of their pre scout prior
(08:25):
to the series was on McKinnon and mccar and so
to me, I mean, yeah, like McKinnon and mccar two
the best players in the league, and every team keys
on them, especially in the playoffs. But you know Dallas
is looking at them and mccarre having a really good
game in Game six, I think they're gonna be keying
on McKinnon and mccar especially, so if you can get
(08:48):
some depth scoring, if you're the ads, if you can
get that second line, which looked really good last night,
the Chushkin had a couple of goals. Brock Nelson looked
really good. And since Gabe landeskag Is moved onto that
second line, I feel like they've been very dangerous and
it was only a matter of time. So if you
can get that second line going all of a sudden,
it makes your matchups a little bit tougher.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
If your peta bor.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
One quick question.
Speaker 8 (09:12):
You grew up in the Midwest, played college hockey in Michigan.
I grew up in Michigan. You grew up in skates
when you grew up in that part of the country.
Did you ever show up with figure skates when you
were a kid to the rink?
Speaker 7 (09:27):
I I think I figure skated one time when I
was starting starting to learn to skate. Now, I grew
up in Indiana, so it's you know, there's a handful
of rinks in Indiana.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
That is what I would say. I think I did
it one time, and the next time I went out,
you know, five or six years old, I had hockey
skates on and I'm pretty sure I went for the
topic it didn't exist, and then I just I think
I blasted my nose open on the ice and there
was blood everywhere. My mom My mom still reminds me
to this day.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Every time.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Johnny, Hey, this was a lot of fun.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Man.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Really appreciate your time.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I mean, wonderful job as an analyst there on Altitude.
We really appreciate you joining us.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Today, Man, appreciate it. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Thanks Man, Thank you. John Right. Oh, he's fantastic. Yeah,
you know he knows the game. Sure, sure, he is
so good. Also, Rick, you shouldn't feel bad about your
finger skating.
Speaker 8 (10:20):
That's for Ryan. I was just thinking you shouldn't feel bad.
You showed up with figure skates. You said, that's all.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
That's all they had, right, right, I didn't have an option.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Is any wrong with that?
Speaker 4 (10:31):
No, that's just fine, people
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Said, I was confused.
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