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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Weird thing you just said to him, like right before
you're coming on.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
That was great.
Speaker 3 (00:04):
Like talking Rick say to Dave is like you know
you'd be an enforcer in hockey?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Dave? Well, I was asking if you guys know how
to ice skates? Yes, and then Dave, I knew you
never is Ryan, but you would have if Can you
imagine how big Dave would be on skates and even
if you couldn't score a goal, you would have been
a great enforcer. Wait a minute, Like I got to
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be on skates and I can't score a goal? Well
you can, but I bet you couldn't. But you bet
I couldn't score a goal. Oh boy, Well, I think
you might have limited skills on skates. I think I
think this. Okay, here we go. I think this. Here
we go. If you were the goalie, I would lead
the league in scoring. And I've never I never played
goal That's what I mean. Right, But I picture you
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as an enforcer like i'd picture you as a no.
I'd have been a center, you'd be a no. No.
I got some skills to me. I don't know. You're
so big, not much. I'm not a lot bigger than you.
You're six five and on skates should be like six
nine on the ice. You are you that much bigger
than you know? You're not four inches bigger on skates? Yeah,
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probably probably three or four. That's pretty big for I
said hockey player. I'm just saying.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
I think Rick aimed at as a compliment until he
said you wouldn't score many goals.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Then it kind of felt like a Then it fell apart.
It took him a weird twist.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah, he started to come out with me, you know,
back them off. I understand at the moment where I
was like, you wouldn't score many goals? Do you realize
I don't picture of you as a goal scorer. If
you were a hockey pot of been a goal scorer,
well that would have been you would have been a
freak of nature.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Then some people considering the fact that you know, basketball, football, baseball.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
It was a pretty good athlete, right. I just can't
believe I grew up here and never I've never had
a pair of ice skates on. I'm surprised too. Actually,
Rose skating, Oh.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Well then you should be well skate is it much different?
I mean I wouldn't know, but because I can't brick.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Ice gates a bit different. Yeah, you know you can't
ice skate either, can you not? Now? No? But I
grew up on skates, you know. I grew up in Michigan.
And I was telling you, guys, doing the break. As
soon as you can walk, they put you on skates
and you're skating on frozen ponds as a lot of
frozen ponds and lakes in Michigan. And you know you're
not going to an ice rink, You're going to a pond,
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neighborhood pond. Yeah, and I still remember it to this day.
It was really really cool. And when you learn at
two and three years old to skate, that's when you
want to learn. You don't want to learn as a
forty year old because you can get hurt bad.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
And I told you or the break, right, It was
like forty three or something that I almost blew out
my knee trying because my kids love skating.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
They said, hey, Dad, it'd be great if you went
skating with us.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
So you did it for them.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
So I did it for them.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
That's that's all right, though. Yeah we're skating.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
No, I was ice skating.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Oh you did okay?
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Yeah, I tried it.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
It was did you were you on figure skates or
hockey skates? Figure skates? I figured that. So you actually
have a pair of hockey skates. Yeah, I've never skated
on figure skates. You know what I got to tell you.
I wasn't sure that I knew there was a difference,
really a little bit.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Is that like the difference?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Uh yeah, figure skates where I grew up. If you
showed up on a figure pair of figure skates, you're
probably going to get punched in the face. Yeah, you
had a tough childhood. I've never I've never skated on
fall right, it was I'm just I'm telling you the truth.
I just think you embraced that side of yourself. You know,
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wrong with it? Okay, not that there's anything wrong with
a little show showed up.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
With figure skates and.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Not Michigan. No, So what is is that? Just you're
not mad enough? Yes? Okay, yeah, wow, it's a man
sports say that it's the women play it. Yeah, and
you know there's some women that are pretty good at it,
pretty good skaters. Very true. Yes, So, but it wasn't
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It wasn't a thing when I was coming up. No,
I don't think women's hockey has been around for all
that long. They probably didn't even have women's sports when
you were grown. That's very true. Yeah, yeah, girls did
not play sports when I was.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
It had to be hockey. Skates had to be hockey.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
If you if you showed up with figure skates, you
were gonna get mocked.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
They were to tell you to go home. They say,
go home and put on some hockey skates. Scars, you
didn't it. I never wore figure skates. Have I made
that clear? David? You getn't paying attention over there, and
I'm listening to you, but but I just know you
credit you're You're a guy. Again. We get into this
all the time, but you're a guy that actually wore
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Puka shells and and tank tops, so I know you
had the figure skates. That was the California wreck. It's okay,
it's okay. I'm talking. I'm talking to Michigan, walking talking
the Michigan. You just reading between the lines.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
I think if you will in their car right now,
I'm like, he's clearly talking about something.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
He knows me. Grace, who you are, it's you know what.
We love you no matter what what. Thank you. There's
many facets to me. Yep, yes, yep, I lived all
around the country. You know that it's incredible.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
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Speaker 1 (05:27):
Obviously talked to a lot of nuggets and ads in
the first hour.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Well if she has to win, see their tickets coming
up here in just a little bit this hour. I
did a little bit of a deep dive today on
some of the national pundits breaking down and grading the
Broncos draft.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
It's been pretty positive in general.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Dave grading drafts the week of are you pro or
anti grading drafts?
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Right afterwards?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I think there's probably an appetite for it because the
draft has sort of developed by the league and it's
it's its own big thing. So everybody wants to know
almost immediately after the draft team what kind of draft
did my favorite team have? I think realistically you have
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to wait, honestly a couple of years to see what
those guys actually can turn into. You have an idea,
I mean, you can tell for the most part in
year two if a guy is going to be you
know that guy, or if he's going to be like, hmm,
I don't know. He may just be this, but he's
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not going to be able to do what we thought
he could do when we drafted him. So to me,
it's a two year thing. Yeah, and on paper for me,
at least, the first two rounds I think made the
entire draft. For the Denver Broncos love their first round pick.
They didn't see that coming. Nobody saw that remarkably controversial pick. Well,
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some saying it might have been the biggest deal of
the first round, I know.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
And then the other side of it says that, well
there's a luxury pick in.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Right, I get that, Yeah, I get that.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
And R. G.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Harvey, Uh, that also seems to be a bit controversial.
But there's a lot of draft experts, and I'm not
one of them that feel like like they got their guy. Now,
now you have an explosive running back and possibly a
three down back. I'm not sure about that, but he's
certainly going to be a playmaker. So those first two picks,
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when you look at him, these are guys they're going
to really have an impact on this roster this football season, right,
I mean, there's no doubt both of those players are
going to be impactful players. Now the rest of them,
that's where I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
A little more developments.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
More Yeah, they're more raw, they're more potential prospects kind
of thing. Although some people really feel like Kew Robinson
could be a special guy. Kind of hard to tell.
He's hard. I think he's only played like three hundred
and twenty snaps.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah, I think he's been colored yeah at Alabama, but
he looks.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Like an incredible athlete for a size. Pat Bryant was
one I kind of scratch on my head on that one.
But when you hear Sean Payton talk about him, you know,
comparing him to Michael Thomas, I'm like, Okay, you got
my attention.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Yeah, Dave, I love what you said there. There's an
appetite for it.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
And I think that's just like the fans now, and
especially with so much coverage the draft and otherwise, there is.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
An appetite for it.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
And I think that, like we could have a conversation
about both and saying, what you're grading is an incomplete
by design because we don't know what these teams are
going to do with these players, and once you get
him in the building, what they're going to be How
many times over the years of you watching absorbing football,
covering it where we come out of the draft and say, oh,
I love this guy, and then you get him in
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the building. I mean, I don't want to say packs
and Lynch, but that's like the red lights flashing. Example,
take that guy in the first round, you get him
in the building and it's like, this isn't that dude?
Speaker 2 (08:54):
You just don't know. Yeah, I think it would be.
And some people have done this, you go back and
sort of chart a particular team's drafts over the last
let's say ten years. I think it would be it
would be fascinating to do that, and to do that
for all thirty two teams, and I think by and large,
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first round quarterbacks in particular, the success rate of those
picks are about fifty percent. So you're going to hit
on half of them and the other half are going
to turn out to be guys that may bounce around
a little bit but ultimately don't play for your team
and or don't play really at all in the league.
So maybe not quite a fifty to fifty split on
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some of the other positions, but we've seen I mean,
you know, you could we could go back through the
Broncos drafts over ten years and just take the top
three rounds, I would say, and they've been better lately
the Broncos have, they've hit at a higher percentage. But
I think over the last ten years, I'll bet the
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top up three rounds, I'll bet you would say like
seventy percent, maybe high sixties something like that. In terms
of guys that actually played for the team. You know,
you could say, yeah, that dude was a really good player.
Seventy percent maybe maybe a little under for the Broncos
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and maybe not as high a percentage for some of
the other teams. How do you look at these guys
that they took in round four? I wanted to ask
you about Pat Bryant because you and I haven't talked
about this yet, the wide receiver out of Illinois, third
round pick, which I think surprised pretty much everybody. How
do you look at him, David? You looked at a
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lot of tape on him, and how do you grade him?
I don't I have looked at some tape on him.
I got to be honest about it. I didn't look
at a lot of tape on Pat Bryant before the
Broncos picked him. I don't think anybody, I mean, I
real nobody was expecting that in around three. Yeah, yeah,
I'm intrigued with what Sean Payton has said about him
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in terms of the comparison. I mean, he's the one
that brought up Michael Thomas and then he quickly said,
you know what, you know, I don't want to get
into comparing skill sets with the guy that was a
great player in the league. And well, I mean, you're
the one that brought it up, and you would know
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better than any of us. But but I'll tell you
what struck me about about Sean's saying that about the
draft choice. If I'm if I'm one of the receivers
currently on the roster, and I hear Sean Payton use
that comparison, it gets my attention real quick, real quick,
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because I mean, nobody asked him that question, like, hey,
do you think he looks I mean, does it reminds
you all of Michael tomp That's not that's not at
all how the question was phrased. And he's the one
that brought it up. So to me, as a receiver,
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if I'm already on this team and I hear that,
I'm like, okay, you know what, I better be on
my p's and q's coming for the O T as
you know, the most.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
There was there was some good stuff. You had some
really good stuff there.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
But then the moment you said, but you probably wouldn't
score a lot of goals.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
That's where Yeah, that's a little much to take, but
you probably only would have been a good goalie with
your size. They liked big dudes in front of that,
I think I think you would have been a better goalie. Why, well,
a little less, a little less room to move, a
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little less room to cover, you would cover the net,
uh accurately inappropriately. Well is this a compliment? Yes, yes,
I mean that. I mean that is a compliment. That's
a really good backup goalie. Okay, yeah, I've got the
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size for a goalie, but I'm not so sure I
have the flexibility to be a goalie. Well, we can
approve you do the splits like that, Dave, Oh yeah,
I can do I could. I can do the splits now.
I bet you couldn't do the splits when you played
in the NFL. I bet you could. Well, I'm a
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few years removed, so I have no way to prove it,
but you would lose that bet. Like like just regular splits.
I'm not talking about I've hurdled a stretch or James
Brown pop lock. I'm talking full on split James Brown popping.
James Brown used to pop off the ground with that. No,
never heard of that phrase. Well do this, I'm gonna
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speak Ryan Ry's never heard of it either.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Really, I've heard poping lock as far as the dance.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Right, well, that's that was the JB move. Okay, Yeah,
we're talking like cheerleader splits. I'm saying you have Russians.
I can't do, nor could I ever. It's sane. Same okay,
I can I could do the the regular splits. What
is that? What are you doing there? You get one
leg out, the right leg out, and then the left
leg goes out behind you and you're sitting on your
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all the way down. Douddy Caputt. Yes, show me a
picture if you can have one. I took a frigging picture.
Go back through. You're the picture taker, go back through
your photo of and show me a picture of you
doing this. He took the picture of me doing the splits,
So no cover Sports Illustrated. Yeah, it's you know, there's
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a little bit of difference. Yeah right, I'm not a
guy that ever went to the ice rink and had
what do you call the skates? You rocky skate? No,
the other ones figure skate. Yeah, you to figure skates.
Be much more likely to have a picture of you
doing the splits than me. I can't believe you never
heard of hockey skates before. You assumed hockey players played
on figure skates. No, I didn't. I knew there was
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figure skates, and I knew I assumed there were hockey skates.
I just never had either on my feet. They're they're
quite different. Okay, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Look do you try to turn this thing around?
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Quite different?
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Yeah, it was so smooth.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
You go through your scrap book. I know you've got
a bunch of them at home. Go through your scrap book,
got pictures on the walls. I'm oh god, could you
do the splits back of the day? You know I
could on the top one, I think, Yeah, I'm impressed. Yeah,
that was it. I mean, I've never been that flexible.
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Now we're gonna try it at the bottom of the
air break hip hop. You have had a hippie, Yeah,
that would pop it. Out. So we'll put that one up.
That'll be the leg that goes out in front of you.
Either way you do it, it's going to pop out.
I don't care how you doing the new photo. That
split you're doing with the what are you doing with it?
Looks like you're on a surfboard. No, what are you
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doing this? Leg out right? Legout? Yeah, the left leg
is back behind you. You're all the way down. Yes,
let's see you do it. I didn't say I can
do it now. I said I could do it back
in the day. See it down nuts, Okay, I'll have
to believe it. I have to take your word on it.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yeah, that'd go home tonight.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
But I don't have any pictures. Always got pictures on
their photograph. I'm the one that has every picture of
yourself that you periodically. You're you're the you say everything.
You're a pack rat. I am a pack rat. But
I don't have that pictures of myself doing hurdles. I mean, well, really,
just send me a couple of scrap books to go
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home with over the weekend. I will do that and
I'll take a look alster that you have a chance
to win.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
See their tickets coming up here in about twenty minutes
listening for that queue to call. Is that our chance
one thousand dollars coming in with that next five minutes?
Things to Maverick, I know you did expire sitting in
the studio. The great Popavish stuff stepping down nineteen ninety
six says nineteen ninety six, he's been the head.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Coach of the Spurs. That's truly why to run, isn't it.
You hope that his health, which is really been problematic recently,
you hope that that kind of settles down. He's gonna
he's gonna be in charge of the basketball operations, but
somebody else's gonna coach. And Pop would be seventy I'm
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guessing six, maybe seventy five, seventy six, something like that. Old, yeah,
seventy six, seventy six. He went to the Air Force Academy. Uh,
That's that's where he played his college basketball. And I
mean he's I mean, he's been a great, great coach,
and yes he's had great players, but you need both,
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I think, to had the kind of success that he had.
And when Tim Duncan, when the Spurs got the first
pick in the Tim Duncan Draft, and they were not
the favorites at all. It was like, wow, san Antonio,
and off goes Tim Duncan, and then you build it
with jenob Blee and Parker and some other really good
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role players. Why eventually why, I mean was thea WHI
was the Finals MVP one of those years, early early
in his career. Yeah, that's such a stressful job being
an NBA head coach. All the games you play, all
the time on the road, and those guys are blowing
their stack, you know, every night on the bench, sometimes
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in the press conferences post game. And he's seventy six.
I had no idea he was that old. And and
he uh, he said he's had some some you know,
some illness. I thought, so the last couple of years
had I believe he had a stroke and he's had
some other things. So wishing wishing well. He's still going
to be involved in basketball, which is not surprising at all.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
So they ended up going with assistant Mitch Johnson as
the franchise's next coach head coach. They didn't really do
an exhaustive search for the successor.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
They decided to go in house with miss Johnson.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
It's interesting this has been met with a little bit
of resistance, not necessarily a completely bad week, cause I
think people WoT to understand because Pop is going into
kind of a president of operations role, right, He's gonna
stay with the Spurs. The successor named here is to
sort of keep in line a lot of the direction
that the organization is going, and they believe in that,
and I think that that's fine. But some of the
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outside view of this is you have Victor Winman Yama,
who is considered maybe the next face of the NBA.
Don't you want to see what your options would be,
how he would be used, those types of things. I mean,
this is a he's a young, young looking guy. I
think he looks like he's a maybe late thirties, early forties.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
I think it's one of those interesting situations because the
successor to a great like that is always going to
come up with something for somebody, right, I mean, whether
it's in house or you go outside. Even if you
had to hire Saint Michael Malone to be the next
head coach of the San Antonio Spurs, there would have
been like, oh, well, I don't know, is that a
good fit for what they did?
Speaker 1 (20:20):
What their culture is. That's what this move feels like
to me.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yeah. I think it also feels to me that Greg
Popovich had, as you said, he's still going to run
the basketball operations and had a great deal of input
on who the next coach would be. This has been
you know, his guy, and if you want to, I mean,
the selling point I think to the ownership would be,
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we like sort of where we were headed with Wimbia,
assuming that the Bloodclott situation is okay and he's going
to be fine, and this guy will keep that culture.
He's well respected by the players, Let's make this move.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Do you know who the longest tenured professional head coach
is now?
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Because it was pop Do you know who it is now.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
In any sports? Any sport? Who? How about Tomlin?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
That's it?
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Mike Tomlin longest sixteen Yep, that's exactly right, longest tenured
head coach in North America, well just in American sports. Yeah,
he's been the head coach of the Pittsburgh Chiilers since
two thousand and seven.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
And you talk about ninety six, right, But there's people
in Pittsburgh that would like to run Mike Tomlin out. Yeah,
it does kind of feel that way, like they just
it's it's his time. He's done a great job, obviously,
but I think a lot of people, a lot of
Steelers fans think, hey, it's it's just time for to
freshen this up a little bit, a different voice in
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the locker room. We'll see how it goes this year.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Yeah, they Aaron Rodgers, you know, Davis saying an he
thinks that's the direction.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
That yeah, it's going to happen. It feels like it
to me too.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
You know, It's so funny when you said that the
other day, because it stuck with me.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
He's such a wild card, right, like to say, I
feel like with Aaron Rodgers specifically, of all the people
in professional sports and otherwise, that's the one guy I
don't think I could bank on anything because he might
wake up one day and say, you know what, I'm
on the ocean here and just got done with my
another round.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
It's an interesting take. I don't know. Now. I think
he's I think he's a different cat. I think he
I think he's not really too worried about what anybody
in the outside thinks. But I've never had any indication
that that, Like, once he signs on. He's going to
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be all in, so I wouldn't I wouldn't worry too
much about that. You know, he's taking his time. I
think they already have a great and in place, and
I think it'll be announced.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
As I said this month, I really and we talked
about it going into the draft that we thought maybe
a pick twenty one because they're right there behind the Broncos,
that the Kenney Pickett experience Rick might scare them off
from going from another mid twenties quarterback. And at that
time I think that the only one that we discussed
was probably should were Sanders. Maybe Jackson Dart was in
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that conversation, and maybe they took both those guys and
they said, we don't see an immediate starter available at
pick twenty one, and if that's the case, then they
don't reach. Because it was Omar Khan who drafted Kenny Pickett,
I believe it was his first draft. They took Kenny
Pickett there in the twenties and that ended up being
obviously a massive miss for them.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yeah, and it's being reported that they had no intention
of ever taking to Door in the entire draft.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Is that amazing?
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Which a lot of teams apparently took that approach too.
They took him off the board for various reasons, and
probably with the Steelers, as you pointed out, Dave, they
they're pretty certain they're going to get Aaron Rodgers, So
you know, go with Aaron Rodgers and make your team
better with a with that twenty first pick with somebody else,
That's that's the approach they took.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
I'm not so sure that going with Will Howard wouldn't
be the better move. I know that we have this
street with Mike Tomlin on the line, and you don't
want to have a losing season, and the expectations for
Steelers fans and all those kinds of things that we
just talked about. I just wonder about the culture stuff
with with Aaron Rodgers, like what he brings from a
culture standpoint.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Am I overthinking that?
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Well? No, because I mean he's as I said, he's
he's a different dude. He's a different dude, right, And
so the Steelers, I mean, the Steelers have sort of
prided themselves on and it's worked. The culture of the organization,
the blue collar mentality, the lunch box brigade. They all
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come to work, they all, you know, and and it's worked,
and it works as long as you have guys like
Cameron Hayward and TJ. Watt and some of those guys,
because they set the tempo. I mean, the Steelers, even
when Roethlisberger was there, the Steelers defense was sort of
the lion of the organization. They set the tempo. So no,
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I think it's I think it's natural because Aaron Rodgers,
you know, has He's just a different dude. But one
thing he still can do, he can still sling it.
Now the key to me if I'm if I'm Aaron Rodgers,
I don't want to end my career the way it
ended with the Jets. But I'm real anxious to hear
from Arthur Smith. And I'm quite certain they've had this conversation.
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So what do you what do you want? What are
you going to do in the running game? Because the
Steelers running game has been awful. Now they got rid
of Naji Harris who went to LA So I thought
the smaller back whose name escapes men very good. I
thought he was a more productive player than Najie Harris
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in the draft of Caleb Johnson and I like him
the kid out of Iowa. But I want to know
from a schematic standpoint, and also who do we have upfront?
Like what what are we going to do? Because we
have to be able to run the ball better than
we ran the ball last year. Of all the coaches
in the NFL, don't you think Tomlin's the one that
could keep him in check? If anybody could, I think
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Tomlin would be that guy. See, I don't. Here's why
I view that. I don't think Tomlin's going to have
a lot of interaction with him. Tomlin is a defensive guy.
So the guy's going to have interaction with him. His
first Arthur Smith, and so I think the Rooney family
and maybe Mike Tomlin to a certain degree for sure,
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has to have a comfort level that Arthur Smith and
whomever the quarterback coaches, they're going to have to learn
how do we deal with him? What is he like?
What is he doesn't like? What what doesn't he like?
So yeah, I mean, I I don't think it'll be
an issue. I really don't. But I mean if if
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Rogers this year says hey, in training camp, I'm going
to go on a jungle retreat, you know, and he
will blore Ayahuashka, he won't he couldn't won't hyahuasca ayahwashka.
That's impressive. It's not bad, that's impressive. You know what
it's you were born with that ability? What's that ability? Rick?
(27:33):
It's a talented tongue. The tongue think, Yeah, I'm not
going to say anything else. Yeah, I don't. I don't
know how you're going with it. Don't have to know.
But that's I think they already will have an agreement
in place that Aaron Rodgers will not be visiting some
cave once training camp starts. You're either in, tell us
you're in, right, because if you're not in, tell us
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that and we're going to go in a different direction.
And I think he wants to play, and I think
this is the option, and this might be the only option.
Do you think?
Speaker 3 (28:03):
And well, I don't know this. I don't know this.
But because the Steelers have made the decisions that they made,
they did not take a quarterback early in the draft.
They have Will Howard, they have Mason Rudolph. You think
he tries to bring Nate Hacket along with him.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
I say no, no, but hear me out. He's in
a much from a leverage standpoint, who's the answer because
I don't know. I mean, I know Arthur Smith's ThEC
who's the quarterback coach of the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
I'll tell you.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
But even though he has an advisor, right, you mean
like a zone, like a middle man between him and
thee A guy that can convey my offense like he
would sell it as Hey, I know that. Would you
guys think that this guy we see things the same
way he can convey and guess what, you can put
him in charge of red zone because he was really
good at that with Green Bay.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
I think it's an interesting thought. I would think not
Tom Arth. Oh, Tom Arth a R T H. I've
never heard of Tom Arth from the famous Arth family. Hello,
mi ar is Alice home.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Longtime listeners of our show. They're probably out there like.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
He's great, Thomas Art. Well, give me what's his what's like?
What's his background? Real quick? Is he has he been
in the league for a while.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
He's been it looks like two years with this staff. Okay,
so he came he came obviously with Arthur Smith. Yeah, okay,
he is probably in Atlanta, probably in Atlanta, we'll see
here from the LA Chargers. So previously with the so
Tom Arth.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Here we go.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Comes to Pittsburgh from the LA Chargers, where he served
as a passing game specialist.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
From twenty twenty two to twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
All right, In his two seasons with Chargers, Arth was
part of the staff, the coach of the offense during
fifth and passing offense.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yah.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah, yeada, So there you go. Okay, that is Tom Arth.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
So yeah, but again, come back to the question, Aaron
Rodgers got some lovers here with Pittsburgh. You just said
there are not a lot of other teams out there
that goes both ways.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Yeah. True, Then seem like there was another team out
there that was really interested in Aaron Rodgers. I mean
seriously interested from what I can tell. So he was
kind of running out of options. Uh, And I like
him with Tomlin. I think him and Tomlin that would
have been that's the perfect spot for him.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
The dark horse team, though, is still the Vikings. I
know that doesn't make a lot of sense.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
No, but if JJ McCarthy is development or like coming
off of injury, if they're getting into training camp and
things aren't going so well.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Oh, you're assuming that that he's not going to the
Steelers already. I think it'll be announced this month. Okay,
is announced. If it isn't announced, you think Minnesota is
still the dark.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
I think Minnesota still still hangs around, and that's really
only because they have a quarterback who they've more or
less said is going to be our guy. That wieled
him out there for a press conference this week. And
if for you know, he's coming off injury. Right, if
you're getting into training camp and things aren't looking great,
I don't know. If you're in Rodgers, which one would
you really be at Minnesota with Kevin O'Connell and the
(31:19):
bevy of weapons and what that offense looks like, or
the Steelers or as you said, you're theoretically going to
have a good running game, you're theoretically going to have
a good defense.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
They did add DK Metcalf. They still have Pickens, and I.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Think, although I think Pickens will not be there much longer,
I think there's I mean, let me take that back.
I think there's a pretty good chance the Steelers will
deal George Pickens, I think to get into I think
you would take Minnesota, all right. I do too. In
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a dome, so I've got I'm assured at least eight
or nine games in really good weather, very familiar with
this offense, really famil in the division. In the division,
I get a chance to play the Packers twice, that's it.
And I think Minnesota's team would be regarded probably as
a bit more talented than Pittsburgh's team right now. Agreed,
(32:14):
But I feel like it'll be JJ McCarthy year two.
Well yeah, coming off an injury, I think it's it's
time for the JJ McCarthy era. You know, good or bad?
How many how many years can you delay letting JJ
McCarthy play.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
We just watched the Packers do this for for years
through They've been that team.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
They have been the team that has done this.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
I don't think Ryan's saying that they're going to delay
it on purpose. If he's saying, hey, if they give them,
it's just not looking like this is going to be
the right move. Assuming Rogers is still hanging out. Yeah, yeah, there's.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
A belief was in Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
They've been very good, I mean, and the decision to
move on from Kirk Cousins, they bring in Sam Darnold.
Every single thing they have done so far has has
worked out. But that's the thing is when you have success,
it begets more success, it becomes a thing where that's
the expectation. So that's really where there's just sort of
tying things together. But again it would have to get
(33:08):
to a certain point in all of that. Anyways, sort
of I think it's sort of fascinating exercise because that's
one big domino and again it also ties into Kirk
Cousins and what his future looks like.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
It's the one big domino still left on the table.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Coming back to the Nuggets for a second here before
we hit the top of the arm and we have
a chance for win. See their tickets coming up in
about four minutes, So Game seven tomorrow night for the Nuggets.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Dave that this feels like one of those like where's
Jamal Murray?
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Is that the dude that's going to be sort of
popping here? I thought nicolea.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Jokic's second half was a bit mixed. The coach said
it was because he's getting fouled a lot, but he
did look a little out of sorts. Did you see
the same thing.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
I don't know if I would say he was out
of sorts. I do think I do think they let
La really get away with a lot last night, and
we talked about the first part of the show. I
think it was smart for David Adaman to bring that
up in the post game. Now he's gonna get fined,
the league will find him for that, but it also
(34:08):
puts that in the minds of whomever the officials will
be coming up tomorrow night. I think the key for
the Nuggets two things. One, I think what I didn't
see last night as nearly as well as I saw
the preceding game was them attacking the ball defensively. I
(34:33):
thought the Clippers were the more aggressive team on defense
last night, and I didn't think the Nuggets sort of
answered their surge. I think they have to set the
tempo early tomorrow night at Ball Arena, and they've got
to get up into the Clippers early in that game
like they did and the last time they played at home,
(34:54):
which the Nuggets loom out. That's the first thing, because
you generate some easy transition baskets that way. I think
it's important, which they did in the last home game,
they score in transition, not let La set up in
the half court defense. They're one of the best in
the league when that happens. And then somebody. I think
Jokic will be great. I think Murray will be really
(35:18):
really good Saturday night. Somebody else, when it's said and done,
is going to have to have, you know, twenty three,
ten and four, somebody, whether it's AG, whether it's a
combination of MPJ and Christian Brown, somebody's going to have
to you look at him and say, Okay, they got
(35:40):
in finally between Kawhi and the Beard, you got to
hold them somewhere between forty five and fifty combined. Yeah,
I think so combined. Yes, And if you do that,
I think the Nuggets are going to win. So why
do you think they backed off last night? Not as
aggressive under They don't know it's knowing they had another game. No.
(36:01):
I thought they played hard, just not not as hard
as you have to play defensively, you know. I thought
they were pretty good offensively. I thought Jamal came out,
was pretty aggressive. He was in a couple of jump shots,
looked like he was into a clap in his hands,
and I could kind of feel that energy from Jamal.
But I just think it's, you know, especially on the road,
it's human nature. Sometimes you got to you got to,
(36:23):
you know, byoe you got to bring your own emotion
and and I thought the Clippers had more of it
than the Nuggets. That has to change, that has to
reverse to my night.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Yeah, And if I told you that the Nuggets shot
fifty two and a half percent, shot it pretty well.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Yeah, fifty two and a half percent.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Like if we'd come into today and said that was
the case, you'd be like, yeah, pretty good about it.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
That night.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
In fact, they outshot the Clippers, who shot fifty percent. Yeah,
from the floor, the Clippers had more free throw attempts.
So to your point, getting aggressive can right. Kind of
aggressive is a little bit. I think you you absolutely
hit around on the head with the needing that third person,
and I unfortunately, I don't think we're gonna get that
in MPJ. So and it's interesting that you listed everybody
body else but him, as he had five points and
(37:02):
he's just giving you what he's got, and honestly that
that's fine.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
I mean, you probably don't have many other options anyways.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
But yeah, it's got it's got to be a third
third person because for the Clippers, that third person is
Norman Powell.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Norman Powell was great last night.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
Yeah, Like whatever you want to say, and I know
that when we were previewing this series, that wasn't like
the first name that pops up because you're talking about
the beer, you're talking about Kawhi. We talked about Zubots.
But Norman Powell Man, he had some electric plays in
that game.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yeah. I mean no, no, no arguments for me. I
mean the Clippers have The Clippers have more resources available
on the offensive end, and so I think you acknowledge
that you got to figure out a way to overcome that.
I think the Nuggets can. I think the two superstars
the Nuggets are one elite superstar will do his thing.
(37:55):
I think Jamal has shown the last couple of games
that he's he's back into it emotionally. I think I
think you'll be good. But somebody else, or a combination
of somebody's have to show up Tomorrow night offensively.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
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Speaker 1 (38:30):
We'll be right back on k Wa
Weird thing you just said to him, like right before
you're coming on.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
That was great.
Speaker 3 (00:04):
Like talking Rick say to Dave is like you know
you'd be an enforcer in hockey?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Dave? Well, I was asking if you guys know how
to ice skates? Yes, and then Dave, I knew you
never is Ryan, but you would have if Can you
imagine how big Dave would be on skates and even
if you couldn't score a goal, you would have been
a great enforcer. Wait a minute, Like I got to
(00:28):
be on skates and I can't score a goal? Well
you can, but I bet you couldn't. But you bet
I couldn't score a goal. Oh boy, Well, I think
you might have limited skills on skates. I think I
think this. Okay, here we go. I think this. Here
we go. If you were the goalie, I would lead
the league in scoring. And I've never I never played
goal That's what I mean. Right, But I picture you
(00:50):
as an enforcer like i'd picture you as a no.
I'd have been a center, you'd be a no. No.
I got some skills to me. I don't know. You're
so big, not much. I'm not a lot bigger than you.
You're six five and on skates should be like six
nine on the ice. You are you that much bigger
than you know? You're not four inches bigger on skates? Yeah,
(01:11):
probably probably three or four. That's pretty big for I
said hockey player. I'm just saying.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
I think Rick aimed at as a compliment until he
said you wouldn't score many goals.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Then it kind of felt like a Then it fell apart.
It took him a weird twist.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah, he started to come out with me, you know,
back them off. I understand at the moment where I
was like, you wouldn't score many goals? Do you realize
I don't picture of you as a goal scorer. If
you were a hockey pot of been a goal scorer,
well that would have been you would have been a
freak of nature.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Then some people considering the fact that you know, basketball, football, baseball.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
It was a pretty good athlete, right. I just can't
believe I grew up here and never I've never had
a pair of ice skates on. I'm surprised too. Actually,
Rose skating, Oh.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Well then you should be well skate is it much different?
I mean I wouldn't know, but because I can't brick.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Ice gates a bit different. Yeah, you know you can't
ice skate either, can you not? Now? No? But I
grew up on skates, you know. I grew up in Michigan.
And I was telling you, guys, doing the break. As
soon as you can walk, they put you on skates
and you're skating on frozen ponds as a lot of
frozen ponds and lakes in Michigan. And you know you're
not going to an ice rink, You're going to a pond,
(02:27):
neighborhood pond. Yeah, and I still remember it to this day.
It was really really cool. And when you learn at
two and three years old to skate, that's when you
want to learn. You don't want to learn as a
forty year old because you can get hurt bad.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
And I told you or the break, right, It was
like forty three or something that I almost blew out
my knee trying because my kids love skating.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
They said, hey, Dad, it'd be great if you went
skating with us.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
So you did it for them.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
So I did it for them.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
That's that's all right, though. Yeah we're skating.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
No, I was ice skating.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Oh you did okay?
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Yeah, I tried it.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
It was did you were you on figure skates or
hockey skates? Figure skates? I figured that. So you actually
have a pair of hockey skates. Yeah, I've never skated
on figure skates. You know what I got to tell you.
I wasn't sure that I knew there was a difference,
really a little bit.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Is that like the difference?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Uh yeah, figure skates where I grew up. If you
showed up on a figure pair of figure skates, you're
probably going to get punched in the face. Yeah, you
had a tough childhood. I've never I've never skated on
fall right, it was I'm just I'm telling you the truth.
I just think you embraced that side of yourself. You know,
(03:41):
wrong with it? Okay, not that there's anything wrong with
a little show showed up.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
With figure skates and.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Not Michigan. No, So what is is that? Just you're
not mad enough? Yes? Okay, yeah, wow, it's a man
sports say that it's the women play it. Yeah, and
you know there's some women that are pretty good at it,
pretty good skaters. Very true. Yes, So, but it wasn't
(04:12):
It wasn't a thing when I was coming up. No,
I don't think women's hockey has been around for all
that long. They probably didn't even have women's sports when
you were grown. That's very true. Yeah, yeah, girls did
not play sports when I was.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
It had to be hockey. Skates had to be hockey.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
If you if you showed up with figure skates, you
were gonna get mocked.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
They were to tell you to go home. They say,
go home and put on some hockey skates. Scars, you
didn't it. I never wore figure skates. Have I made
that clear? David? You getn't paying attention over there, and
I'm listening to you, but but I just know you
credit you're You're a guy. Again. We get into this
all the time, but you're a guy that actually wore
(04:53):
Puka shells and and tank tops, so I know you
had the figure skates. That was the California wreck. It's okay,
it's okay. I'm talking. I'm talking to Michigan, walking talking
the Michigan. You just reading between the lines.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
I think if you will in their car right now,
I'm like, he's clearly talking about something.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
He knows me. Grace, who you are, it's you know what.
We love you no matter what what. Thank you. There's
many facets to me. Yep, yes, yep, I lived all
around the country. You know that it's incredible.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
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Speaker 1 (05:27):
Obviously talked to a lot of nuggets and ads in
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Speaker 3 (05:29):
Well if she has to win, see their tickets coming
up here in just a little bit this hour. I
did a little bit of a deep dive today on
some of the national pundits breaking down and grading the
Broncos draft.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
It's been pretty positive in general.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Dave grading drafts the week of are you pro or
anti grading drafts?
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Right afterwards?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I think there's probably an appetite for it because the
draft has sort of developed by the league and it's
it's its own big thing. So everybody wants to know
almost immediately after the draft team what kind of draft
did my favorite team have? I think realistically you have
(06:14):
to wait, honestly a couple of years to see what
those guys actually can turn into. You have an idea,
I mean, you can tell for the most part in
year two if a guy is going to be you
know that guy, or if he's going to be like, hmm,
I don't know. He may just be this, but he's
(06:34):
not going to be able to do what we thought
he could do when we drafted him. So to me,
it's a two year thing. Yeah, and on paper for me,
at least, the first two rounds I think made the
entire draft. For the Denver Broncos love their first round pick.
They didn't see that coming. Nobody saw that remarkably controversial pick. Well,
(06:55):
some saying it might have been the biggest deal of
the first round, I know.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
And then the other side of it says that, well
there's a luxury pick in.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Right, I get that, Yeah, I get that.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
And R. G.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Harvey, Uh, that also seems to be a bit controversial.
But there's a lot of draft experts, and I'm not
one of them that feel like like they got their guy. Now,
now you have an explosive running back and possibly a
three down back. I'm not sure about that, but he's
certainly going to be a playmaker. So those first two picks,
(07:24):
when you look at him, these are guys they're going
to really have an impact on this roster this football season, right,
I mean, there's no doubt both of those players are
going to be impactful players. Now the rest of them,
that's where I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
A little more developments.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
More Yeah, they're more raw, they're more potential prospects kind
of thing. Although some people really feel like Kew Robinson
could be a special guy. Kind of hard to tell.
He's hard. I think he's only played like three hundred
and twenty snaps.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah, I think he's been colored yeah at Alabama, but
he looks.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Like an incredible athlete for a size. Pat Bryant was
one I kind of scratch on my head on that one.
But when you hear Sean Payton talk about him, you know,
comparing him to Michael Thomas, I'm like, Okay, you got
my attention.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Yeah, Dave, I love what you said there. There's an
appetite for it.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
And I think that's just like the fans now, and
especially with so much coverage the draft and otherwise, there is.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
An appetite for it.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
And I think that, like we could have a conversation
about both and saying, what you're grading is an incomplete
by design because we don't know what these teams are
going to do with these players, and once you get
him in the building, what they're going to be How
many times over the years of you watching absorbing football,
covering it where we come out of the draft and say, oh,
I love this guy, and then you get him in
(08:44):
the building. I mean, I don't want to say packs
and Lynch, but that's like the red lights flashing. Example,
take that guy in the first round, you get him
in the building and it's like, this isn't that dude?
Speaker 2 (08:54):
You just don't know. Yeah, I think it would be.
And some people have done this, you go back and
sort of chart a particular team's drafts over the last
let's say ten years. I think it would be it
would be fascinating to do that, and to do that
for all thirty two teams, and I think by and large,
(09:14):
first round quarterbacks in particular, the success rate of those
picks are about fifty percent. So you're going to hit
on half of them and the other half are going
to turn out to be guys that may bounce around
a little bit but ultimately don't play for your team
and or don't play really at all in the league.
So maybe not quite a fifty to fifty split on
(09:39):
some of the other positions, but we've seen I mean,
you know, you could we could go back through the
Broncos drafts over ten years and just take the top
three rounds, I would say, and they've been better lately
the Broncos have, they've hit at a higher percentage. But
I think over the last ten years, I'll bet the
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top up three rounds, I'll bet you would say like
seventy percent, maybe high sixties something like that. In terms
of guys that actually played for the team. You know,
you could say, yeah, that dude was a really good player.
Seventy percent maybe maybe a little under for the Broncos
(10:23):
and maybe not as high a percentage for some of
the other teams. How do you look at these guys
that they took in round four? I wanted to ask
you about Pat Bryant because you and I haven't talked
about this yet, the wide receiver out of Illinois, third
round pick, which I think surprised pretty much everybody. How
do you look at him, David? You looked at a
(10:44):
lot of tape on him, and how do you grade him?
I don't I have looked at some tape on him.
I got to be honest about it. I didn't look
at a lot of tape on Pat Bryant before the
Broncos picked him. I don't think anybody, I mean, I
real nobody was expecting that in around three. Yeah, yeah,
I'm intrigued with what Sean Payton has said about him
(11:06):
in terms of the comparison. I mean, he's the one
that brought up Michael Thomas and then he quickly said,
you know what, you know, I don't want to get
into comparing skill sets with the guy that was a
great player in the league. And well, I mean, you're
the one that brought it up, and you would know
(11:27):
better than any of us. But but I'll tell you
what struck me about about Sean's saying that about the
draft choice. If I'm if I'm one of the receivers
currently on the roster, and I hear Sean Payton use
that comparison, it gets my attention real quick, real quick,
(11:53):
because I mean, nobody asked him that question, like, hey,
do you think he looks I mean, does it reminds
you all of Michael tomp That's not that's not at
all how the question was phrased. And he's the one
that brought it up. So to me, as a receiver,
(12:13):
if I'm already on this team and I hear that,
I'm like, okay, you know what, I better be on
my p's and q's coming for the O T as
you know, the most.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
There was there was some good stuff. You had some
really good stuff there.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
But then the moment you said, but you probably wouldn't
score a lot of goals.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
That's where Yeah, that's a little much to take, but
you probably only would have been a good goalie with
your size. They liked big dudes in front of that,
I think I think you would have been a better goalie. Why, well,
a little less, a little less room to move, a
(12:57):
little less room to cover, you would cover the net,
uh accurately inappropriately. Well is this a compliment? Yes, yes,
I mean that. I mean that is a compliment. That's
a really good backup goalie. Okay, yeah, I've got the
(13:18):
size for a goalie, but I'm not so sure I
have the flexibility to be a goalie. Well, we can
approve you do the splits like that, Dave, Oh yeah,
I can do I could. I can do the splits now.
I bet you couldn't do the splits when you played
in the NFL. I bet you could. Well, I'm a
(13:38):
few years removed, so I have no way to prove it,
but you would lose that bet. Like like just regular splits.
I'm not talking about I've hurdled a stretch or James
Brown pop lock. I'm talking full on split James Brown popping.
James Brown used to pop off the ground with that. No,
never heard of that phrase. Well do this, I'm gonna
(13:59):
speak Ryan Ry's never heard of it either.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Really, I've heard poping lock as far as the dance.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Right, well, that's that was the JB move. Okay, Yeah,
we're talking like cheerleader splits. I'm saying you have Russians.
I can't do, nor could I ever. It's sane. Same okay,
I can I could do the the regular splits. What
is that? What are you doing there? You get one
leg out, the right leg out, and then the left
leg goes out behind you and you're sitting on your
(14:27):
all the way down. Douddy Caputt. Yes, show me a
picture if you can have one. I took a frigging picture.
Go back through. You're the picture taker, go back through
your photo of and show me a picture of you
doing this. He took the picture of me doing the splits,
So no cover Sports Illustrated. Yeah, it's you know, there's
(14:51):
a little bit of difference. Yeah right, I'm not a
guy that ever went to the ice rink and had
what do you call the skates? You rocky skate? No,
the other ones figure skate. Yeah, you to figure skates.
Be much more likely to have a picture of you
doing the splits than me. I can't believe you never
heard of hockey skates before. You assumed hockey players played
on figure skates. No, I didn't. I knew there was
(15:13):
figure skates, and I knew I assumed there were hockey skates.
I just never had either on my feet. They're they're
quite different. Okay, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Look do you try to turn this thing around?
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Quite different?
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Yeah, it was so smooth.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
You go through your scrap book. I know you've got
a bunch of them at home. Go through your scrap book,
got pictures on the walls. I'm oh god, could you
do the splits back of the day? You know I
could on the top one, I think, Yeah, I'm impressed. Yeah,
that was it. I mean, I've never been that flexible.
(15:46):
Now we're gonna try it at the bottom of the
air break hip hop. You have had a hippie, Yeah,
that would pop it. Out. So we'll put that one up.
That'll be the leg that goes out in front of you.
Either way you do it, it's going to pop out.
I don't care how you doing the new photo. That
split you're doing with the what are you doing with it?
Looks like you're on a surfboard. No, what are you
(16:08):
doing this? Leg out right? Legout? Yeah, the left leg
is back behind you. You're all the way down. Yes,
let's see you do it. I didn't say I can
do it now. I said I could do it back
in the day. See it down nuts, Okay, I'll have
to believe it. I have to take your word on it.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yeah, that'd go home tonight.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
But I don't have any pictures. Always got pictures on
their photograph. I'm the one that has every picture of
yourself that you periodically. You're you're the you say everything.
You're a pack rat. I am a pack rat. But
I don't have that pictures of myself doing hurdles. I mean, well, really,
just send me a couple of scrap books to go
(16:49):
home with over the weekend. I will do that and
I'll take a look alster that you have a chance
to win.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
See their tickets coming up here in about twenty minutes
listening for that queue to call. Is that our chance
one thousand dollars coming in with that next five minutes?
Things to Maverick, I know you did expire sitting in
the studio. The great Popavish stuff stepping down nineteen ninety
six says nineteen ninety six, he's been the head.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Coach of the Spurs. That's truly why to run, isn't it.
You hope that his health, which is really been problematic recently,
you hope that that kind of settles down. He's gonna
he's gonna be in charge of the basketball operations, but
somebody else's gonna coach. And Pop would be seventy I'm
(17:34):
guessing six, maybe seventy five, seventy six, something like that. Old, yeah,
seventy six, seventy six. He went to the Air Force Academy. Uh,
That's that's where he played his college basketball. And I
mean he's I mean, he's been a great, great coach,
and yes he's had great players, but you need both,
(17:58):
I think, to had the kind of success that he had.
And when Tim Duncan, when the Spurs got the first
pick in the Tim Duncan Draft, and they were not
the favorites at all. It was like, wow, san Antonio,
and off goes Tim Duncan, and then you build it
with jenob Blee and Parker and some other really good
(18:20):
role players. Why eventually why, I mean was thea WHI
was the Finals MVP one of those years, early early
in his career. Yeah, that's such a stressful job being
an NBA head coach. All the games you play, all
the time on the road, and those guys are blowing
their stack, you know, every night on the bench, sometimes
(18:42):
in the press conferences post game. And he's seventy six.
I had no idea he was that old. And and
he uh, he said he's had some some you know,
some illness. I thought, so the last couple of years
had I believe he had a stroke and he's had
some other things. So wishing wishing well. He's still going
to be involved in basketball, which is not surprising at all.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
So they ended up going with assistant Mitch Johnson as
the franchise's next coach head coach. They didn't really do
an exhaustive search for the successor.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
They decided to go in house with miss Johnson.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
It's interesting this has been met with a little bit
of resistance, not necessarily a completely bad week, cause I
think people WoT to understand because Pop is going into
kind of a president of operations role, right, He's gonna
stay with the Spurs. The successor named here is to
sort of keep in line a lot of the direction
that the organization is going, and they believe in that,
and I think that that's fine. But some of the
(19:41):
outside view of this is you have Victor Winman Yama,
who is considered maybe the next face of the NBA.
Don't you want to see what your options would be,
how he would be used, those types of things. I mean,
this is a he's a young, young looking guy. I
think he looks like he's a maybe late thirties, early forties.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
I think it's one of those interesting situations because the
successor to a great like that is always going to
come up with something for somebody, right, I mean, whether
it's in house or you go outside. Even if you
had to hire Saint Michael Malone to be the next
head coach of the San Antonio Spurs, there would have
been like, oh, well, I don't know, is that a
good fit for what they did?
Speaker 1 (20:20):
What their culture is. That's what this move feels like
to me.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yeah. I think it also feels to me that Greg
Popovich had, as you said, he's still going to run
the basketball operations and had a great deal of input
on who the next coach would be. This has been
you know, his guy, and if you want to, I mean,
the selling point I think to the ownership would be,
(20:44):
we like sort of where we were headed with Wimbia,
assuming that the Bloodclott situation is okay and he's going
to be fine, and this guy will keep that culture.
He's well respected by the players, Let's make this move.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Do you know who the longest tenured professional head coach
is now?
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Because it was pop Do you know who it is now.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
In any sports? Any sport? Who? How about Tomlin?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
That's it?
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Mike Tomlin longest sixteen Yep, that's exactly right, longest tenured
head coach in North America, well just in American sports. Yeah,
he's been the head coach of the Pittsburgh Chiilers since
two thousand and seven.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
And you talk about ninety six, right, But there's people
in Pittsburgh that would like to run Mike Tomlin out. Yeah,
it does kind of feel that way, like they just
it's it's his time. He's done a great job, obviously,
but I think a lot of people, a lot of
Steelers fans think, hey, it's it's just time for to
freshen this up a little bit, a different voice in
(21:51):
the locker room. We'll see how it goes this year.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Yeah, they Aaron Rodgers, you know, Davis saying an he
thinks that's the direction.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
That yeah, it's going to happen. It feels like it
to me too.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
You know, It's so funny when you said that the
other day, because it stuck with me.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
He's such a wild card, right, like to say, I
feel like with Aaron Rodgers specifically, of all the people
in professional sports and otherwise, that's the one guy I
don't think I could bank on anything because he might
wake up one day and say, you know what, I'm
on the ocean here and just got done with my
another round.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
It's an interesting take. I don't know. Now. I think
he's I think he's a different cat. I think he
I think he's not really too worried about what anybody
in the outside thinks. But I've never had any indication
that that, Like, once he signs on. He's going to
(22:49):
be all in, so I wouldn't I wouldn't worry too
much about that. You know, he's taking his time. I
think they already have a great and in place, and
I think it'll be announced.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
As I said this month, I really and we talked
about it going into the draft that we thought maybe
a pick twenty one because they're right there behind the Broncos,
that the Kenney Pickett experience Rick might scare them off
from going from another mid twenties quarterback. And at that
time I think that the only one that we discussed
was probably should were Sanders. Maybe Jackson Dart was in
(23:23):
that conversation, and maybe they took both those guys and
they said, we don't see an immediate starter available at
pick twenty one, and if that's the case, then they
don't reach. Because it was Omar Khan who drafted Kenny Pickett,
I believe it was his first draft. They took Kenny
Pickett there in the twenties and that ended up being
obviously a massive miss for them.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yeah, and it's being reported that they had no intention
of ever taking to Door in the entire draft.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Is that amazing?
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Which a lot of teams apparently took that approach too.
They took him off the board for various reasons, and
probably with the Steelers, as you pointed out, Dave, they
they're pretty certain they're going to get Aaron Rodgers, So
you know, go with Aaron Rodgers and make your team
better with a with that twenty first pick with somebody else,
That's that's the approach they took.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
I'm not so sure that going with Will Howard wouldn't
be the better move. I know that we have this
street with Mike Tomlin on the line, and you don't
want to have a losing season, and the expectations for
Steelers fans and all those kinds of things that we
just talked about. I just wonder about the culture stuff
with with Aaron Rodgers, like what he brings from a
culture standpoint.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Am I overthinking that?
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Well? No, because I mean he's as I said, he's
he's a different dude. He's a different dude, right, And
so the Steelers, I mean, the Steelers have sort of
prided themselves on and it's worked. The culture of the organization,
the blue collar mentality, the lunch box brigade. They all
(24:54):
come to work, they all, you know, and and it's worked,
and it works as long as you have guys like
Cameron Hayward and TJ. Watt and some of those guys,
because they set the tempo. I mean, the Steelers, even
when Roethlisberger was there, the Steelers defense was sort of
the lion of the organization. They set the tempo. So no,
(25:18):
I think it's I think it's natural because Aaron Rodgers,
you know, has He's just a different dude. But one
thing he still can do, he can still sling it.
Now the key to me if I'm if I'm Aaron Rodgers,
I don't want to end my career the way it
ended with the Jets. But I'm real anxious to hear
from Arthur Smith. And I'm quite certain they've had this conversation.
(25:41):
So what do you what do you want? What are
you going to do in the running game? Because the
Steelers running game has been awful. Now they got rid
of Naji Harris who went to LA So I thought
the smaller back whose name escapes men very good. I
thought he was a more productive player than Najie Harris
(26:04):
in the draft of Caleb Johnson and I like him
the kid out of Iowa. But I want to know
from a schematic standpoint, and also who do we have upfront?
Like what what are we going to do? Because we
have to be able to run the ball better than
we ran the ball last year. Of all the coaches
in the NFL, don't you think Tomlin's the one that
could keep him in check? If anybody could, I think
(26:27):
Tomlin would be that guy. See, I don't. Here's why
I view that. I don't think Tomlin's going to have
a lot of interaction with him. Tomlin is a defensive guy.
So the guy's going to have interaction with him. His
first Arthur Smith, and so I think the Rooney family
and maybe Mike Tomlin to a certain degree for sure,
(26:47):
has to have a comfort level that Arthur Smith and
whomever the quarterback coaches, they're going to have to learn
how do we deal with him? What is he like?
What is he doesn't like? What what doesn't he like?
So yeah, I mean, I I don't think it'll be
an issue. I really don't. But I mean if if
(27:08):
Rogers this year says hey, in training camp, I'm going
to go on a jungle retreat, you know, and he
will blore Ayahuashka, he won't he couldn't won't hyahuasca ayahwashka.
That's impressive. It's not bad, that's impressive. You know what
it's you were born with that ability? What's that ability? Rick?
(27:33):
It's a talented tongue. The tongue think, Yeah, I'm not
going to say anything else. Yeah, I don't. I don't
know how you're going with it. Don't have to know.
But that's I think they already will have an agreement
in place that Aaron Rodgers will not be visiting some
cave once training camp starts. You're either in, tell us
you're in, right, because if you're not in, tell us
(27:54):
that and we're going to go in a different direction.
And I think he wants to play, and I think
this is the option, and this might be the only option.
Do you think?
Speaker 3 (28:03):
And well, I don't know this. I don't know this.
But because the Steelers have made the decisions that they made,
they did not take a quarterback early in the draft.
They have Will Howard, they have Mason Rudolph. You think
he tries to bring Nate Hacket along with him.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
I say no, no, but hear me out. He's in
a much from a leverage standpoint, who's the answer because
I don't know. I mean, I know Arthur Smith's ThEC
who's the quarterback coach of the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
I'll tell you.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
But even though he has an advisor, right, you mean
like a zone, like a middle man between him and
thee A guy that can convey my offense like he
would sell it as Hey, I know that. Would you
guys think that this guy we see things the same
way he can convey and guess what, you can put
him in charge of red zone because he was really
good at that with Green Bay.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
I think it's an interesting thought. I would think not
Tom Arth. Oh, Tom Arth a R T H. I've
never heard of Tom Arth from the famous Arth family. Hello,
mi ar is Alice home.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Longtime listeners of our show. They're probably out there like.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
He's great, Thomas Art. Well, give me what's his what's like?
What's his background? Real quick? Is he has he been
in the league for a while.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
He's been it looks like two years with this staff. Okay,
so he came he came obviously with Arthur Smith. Yeah, okay,
he is probably in Atlanta, probably in Atlanta, we'll see
here from the LA Chargers. So previously with the so
Tom Arth.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Here we go.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Comes to Pittsburgh from the LA Chargers, where he served
as a passing game specialist.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
From twenty twenty two to twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
All right, In his two seasons with Chargers, Arth was
part of the staff, the coach of the offense during
fifth and passing offense.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yah.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah, yeada, So there you go. Okay, that is Tom Arth.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
So yeah, but again, come back to the question, Aaron
Rodgers got some lovers here with Pittsburgh. You just said
there are not a lot of other teams out there
that goes both ways.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Yeah. True, Then seem like there was another team out
there that was really interested in Aaron Rodgers. I mean
seriously interested from what I can tell. So he was
kind of running out of options. Uh, And I like
him with Tomlin. I think him and Tomlin that would
have been that's the perfect spot for him.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
The dark horse team, though, is still the Vikings. I
know that doesn't make a lot of sense.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
No, but if JJ McCarthy is development or like coming
off of injury, if they're getting into training camp and
things aren't going so well.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Oh, you're assuming that that he's not going to the
Steelers already. I think it'll be announced this month. Okay,
is announced. If it isn't announced, you think Minnesota is
still the dark.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
I think Minnesota still still hangs around, and that's really
only because they have a quarterback who they've more or
less said is going to be our guy. That wieled
him out there for a press conference this week. And
if for you know, he's coming off injury. Right, if
you're getting into training camp and things aren't looking great,
I don't know. If you're in Rodgers, which one would
you really be at Minnesota with Kevin O'Connell and the
(31:19):
bevy of weapons and what that offense looks like, or
the Steelers or as you said, you're theoretically going to
have a good running game, you're theoretically going to have
a good defense.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
They did add DK Metcalf. They still have Pickens, and I.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Think, although I think Pickens will not be there much longer,
I think there's I mean, let me take that back.
I think there's a pretty good chance the Steelers will
deal George Pickens, I think to get into I think
you would take Minnesota, all right. I do too. In
(31:52):
a dome, so I've got I'm assured at least eight
or nine games in really good weather, very familiar with
this offense, really famil in the division. In the division,
I get a chance to play the Packers twice, that's it.
And I think Minnesota's team would be regarded probably as
a bit more talented than Pittsburgh's team right now. Agreed,
(32:14):
But I feel like it'll be JJ McCarthy year two.
Well yeah, coming off an injury, I think it's it's
time for the JJ McCarthy era. You know, good or bad?
How many how many years can you delay letting JJ
McCarthy play.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
We just watched the Packers do this for for years
through They've been that team.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
They have been the team that has done this.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
I don't think Ryan's saying that they're going to delay
it on purpose. If he's saying, hey, if they give them,
it's just not looking like this is going to be
the right move. Assuming Rogers is still hanging out. Yeah, yeah, there's.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
A belief was in Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
They've been very good, I mean, and the decision to
move on from Kirk Cousins, they bring in Sam Darnold.
Every single thing they have done so far has has
worked out. But that's the thing is when you have success,
it begets more success, it becomes a thing where that's
the expectation. So that's really where there's just sort of
tying things together. But again it would have to get
(33:08):
to a certain point in all of that. Anyways, sort
of I think it's sort of fascinating exercise because that's
one big domino and again it also ties into Kirk
Cousins and what his future looks like.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
It's the one big domino still left on the table.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Coming back to the Nuggets for a second here before
we hit the top of the arm and we have
a chance for win. See their tickets coming up in
about four minutes, So Game seven tomorrow night for the Nuggets.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Dave that this feels like one of those like where's
Jamal Murray?
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Is that the dude that's going to be sort of
popping here? I thought nicolea.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Jokic's second half was a bit mixed. The coach said
it was because he's getting fouled a lot, but he
did look a little out of sorts. Did you see
the same thing.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
I don't know if I would say he was out
of sorts. I do think I do think they let
La really get away with a lot last night, and
we talked about the first part of the show. I
think it was smart for David Adaman to bring that
up in the post game. Now he's gonna get fined,
the league will find him for that, but it also
(34:08):
puts that in the minds of whomever the officials will
be coming up tomorrow night. I think the key for
the Nuggets two things. One, I think what I didn't
see last night as nearly as well as I saw
the preceding game was them attacking the ball defensively. I
(34:33):
thought the Clippers were the more aggressive team on defense
last night, and I didn't think the Nuggets sort of
answered their surge. I think they have to set the
tempo early tomorrow night at Ball Arena, and they've got
to get up into the Clippers early in that game
like they did and the last time they played at home,
(34:54):
which the Nuggets loom out. That's the first thing, because
you generate some easy transition baskets that way. I think
it's important, which they did in the last home game,
they score in transition, not let La set up in
the half court defense. They're one of the best in
the league when that happens. And then somebody. I think
Jokic will be great. I think Murray will be really
(35:18):
really good Saturday night. Somebody else, when it's said and done,
is going to have to have, you know, twenty three,
ten and four, somebody, whether it's AG, whether it's a
combination of MPJ and Christian Brown, somebody's going to have
to you look at him and say, Okay, they got
(35:40):
in finally between Kawhi and the Beard, you got to
hold them somewhere between forty five and fifty combined. Yeah,
I think so combined. Yes, And if you do that,
I think the Nuggets are going to win. So why
do you think they backed off last night? Not as
aggressive under They don't know it's knowing they had another game. No.
(36:01):
I thought they played hard, just not not as hard
as you have to play defensively, you know. I thought
they were pretty good offensively. I thought Jamal came out,
was pretty aggressive. He was in a couple of jump shots,
looked like he was into a clap in his hands,
and I could kind of feel that energy from Jamal.
But I just think it's, you know, especially on the road,
it's human nature. Sometimes you got to you got to,
(36:23):
you know, byoe you got to bring your own emotion
and and I thought the Clippers had more of it
than the Nuggets. That has to change, that has to
reverse to my night.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Yeah, And if I told you that the Nuggets shot
fifty two and a half percent, shot it pretty well.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Yeah, fifty two and a half percent.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Like if we'd come into today and said that was
the case, you'd be like, yeah, pretty good about it.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
That night.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
In fact, they outshot the Clippers, who shot fifty percent. Yeah,
from the floor, the Clippers had more free throw attempts.
So to your point, getting aggressive can right. Kind of
aggressive is a little bit. I think you you absolutely
hit around on the head with the needing that third person,
and I unfortunately, I don't think we're gonna get that
in MPJ. So and it's interesting that you listed everybody
body else but him, as he had five points and
(37:02):
he's just giving you what he's got, and honestly that
that's fine.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
I mean, you probably don't have many other options anyways.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
But yeah, it's got it's got to be a third
third person because for the Clippers, that third person is
Norman Powell.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Norman Powell was great last night.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
Yeah, Like whatever you want to say, and I know
that when we were previewing this series, that wasn't like
the first name that pops up because you're talking about
the beer, you're talking about Kawhi. We talked about Zubots.
But Norman Powell Man, he had some electric plays in
that game.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yeah. I mean no, no, no arguments for me. I
mean the Clippers have The Clippers have more resources available
on the offensive end, and so I think you acknowledge
that you got to figure out a way to overcome that.
I think the Nuggets can. I think the two superstars
the Nuggets are one elite superstar will do his thing.
(37:55):
I think Jamal has shown the last couple of games
that he's he's back into it emotionally. I think I
think you'll be good. But somebody else, or a combination
of somebody's have to show up Tomorrow night offensively.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
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Speaker 1 (38:30):
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