05-16-25 KOA Sports Hour 1 with Nick Ferguson

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
But from now, like the next couple of days, there's
gonna be a lot of competer Probably what a game, Dave,
my friend.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Good to see you, I'm sure you So he starts
with me when the Nuggets get blown out. All the
other shows, he welcomes whomever is sitting in that chair.
Nick Ferguson, Good to see you, Nick.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
How are you hey, It's great, it's great to be seeing.
Great to see you, Nick. See they called that in football,
that would be called targeting.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
In radio, that would be called gloating. Ryan there, now
you're your thunder looked pretty good. Now the now the
real dilemma. You got to decide who you're rooting for
between your two favorite teams.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Well, you already know that it's in Minnesota, Minnesota. I
don't know.

Speaker 4 (00:43):
I don't know. He's got a crush on Oak City too. Well,
I think he has a crush on Lou Dort that's
his crush and lu Door.

Speaker 5 (00:53):
How does he only it's only six points, really didn't
have much of an impact. Tough day for Lou tough day. Well, listen,
you know some people might take a moment to gloat.
Some people might take a moment.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Ryan might take a moment to gloat.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
To at least get an acknowledgment from their co host.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
That they the team that was seven hundred to one
to beat the Nuggets actually beat the Nuggets.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
Is that what you're looking for from me?

Speaker 1 (01:19):
I think what I'm looking for is just to Ryan
you you're right.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
Oh, you're not gonna get that.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
You damn you're getting that from me. I can see nothing.
They were the better team in many respects, and especially
given the fact the Nuggets were in the physical condition
they were in. But that's all you're getting from me, period.

(01:46):
I'm conceding nothing. They were a seven hundred to one favorite.
They were thinking about that if you bet oak City
to win this series, to win one hundred dollars, you
had to lay seven hundred. They were the second biggest
favorite of the entire playoff season this series with the Nuggets,

(02:08):
and it took him seven games and a hampered AG
and a no show MPJ, and a whole bunch of
other things we can talk about.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
I just want to talk about Jamal Murray. Well, that
was one of the other whole bunch of other things
we can talk about.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
Jamal Murray was like Bill Murray from space. Jam oh, oh,
I don't play defense like that was Jamal Murray.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
And I know we often talk about.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
Here in Denver Jamal Murray being playoff Jamal, but in
most series, especially for a guy who's been a lot
of these kind of tight Game seven, he never he.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
Didn't really show up.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
And when you watch the game, and maybe it was
just me, it just seemed as though he wasn't trying
to make.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
A concerned effort to get the ball.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
He wasn't one of those types of players like a Mic,
like a Kobe, who demanded to get the ball to
me and so he could take over like like Dave was, Hey,
Aaron Gordon was a hamstring and to me, that's the dog.
He got out there and you can see he was struggling,
but it was like, Jamal, you need to pick it out.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
The Joker needs some help. But yeah, he was just
Bill Murray out there.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
Yeah, Joker didn't need a lot of help, There's no
doubt about that.

Speaker 5 (03:26):
And it was it was a frustrating end of the
series series for all all joking aside, I was.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
Filing your ass off. Honesty. Gosh, yes, can we put
the camera on him?

Speaker 1 (03:38):
No, we don't have to do that.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
Well, I'm gonna do myself seriously, grin from ear to ear.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
No, I wanted you wanted what you got exactly what
you wanted.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
I wanted the Nuggets to win.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
How badly did you.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Believes that they've actually listened to the show like the
entire basketball season, but.

Speaker 5 (03:59):
You you have been crushing me the entire season for
my Oklahoma City takes. So there's a little bit of
that wanting to be right.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
I just thought they were soft. They didn't play soft yesterday.
They did not, And I thought the Nuggets had my
exact phrase was more than a puncher's chance.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
And this would be a long series.

Speaker 5 (04:21):
And you know what, well, ULI's gotta can see the
soft thing, like right, you can you can see.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
No, I won't, I won't. I won't concede it. I
think I think that I think they still have a
softness to them in terms of their offensive structure.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
I still do.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
But I I said, going in, I mean, this is
an athletic, young, long talented team that is deep. But
if they're allowed to play defense, this would be my.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
My one sort of and the ointment.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
If they're allowed to play defense the way they were
allowed to play defense yesterday. Nobody's beating them. Nobody's gonna
beat them.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
So if they get to the championship, let's say they get.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
To the Timber whichever team.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
I mean, if the Nuggets had found a way to
win and unlet's say AG's not compromised and whatever whomever
comes out of the West is going to be a
decisive favorite against either the Knicks or Indiana.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
I mean, big time favorite. I would definitely agree with that.
And watching this game take me.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
Back to a conversation we had when I was last
on the sports uit and we were talking about how
the Nuggets were not getting last on the what the
last time I was on the sports we were talking
about the same conversation.

Speaker 6 (05:49):
That's the name of the sports zoo. Which sports do
are you talking about? Okay, whatever I thought you I
thought you were going way. I thought you were way back. No,
used to be well a couple of years ago, it
used to be sae the way you both get my point. Yes,
I had a conversation about.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
This and it was like with the Nuggets were not
getting enough calls because they were being fouled and the
calls were not taking place by the official, and I said, well,
when you are the aggressor like Okac has been all
season long, you're going to get those calls. And we
saw it in the game yesterday. There were some calls
where people were like, oh man, you can say it

(06:28):
on social media. Well, that should have been this, that
should have been that. No, they would have more of
the aggressor, so the Nuggets didn't get the call. And
then going back to what you said earlier about being soft,
this is the thing that drove Michael Malone crazy, was
probably got him fired because this Nuggets team, they don't
have a.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
Lot of dogs.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
I would say I would say that oak City came
out in that game yesterday and after the first probably
five minutes, when Denvers had twenty one to ten, they
answered Alex Costello, Caruso, Cruso. They insert Alex Caruso. And
I think that acquisition of him now the thunderhead to

(07:07):
give up, uh just giddy to getting. But that was
the single best trade I think made in the NBA
this season because he's everything you want, like in a
defensive minded guy. He can you know, he'll knock down
a three point shot, he'll get on the floor.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
But how he was allowed to play Jokic.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Come on, man, I mean what what since when did
this turn into like WWE stuff that's the size? Well,
I mean that's fine, And again, if you're allowed to
do that, then why wouldn't you do it? So I
give props to Oak City. They've had a defensive mindset
the whole time. But I can't count how many times

(07:56):
uh Caruso fouled the joker when I'm like, are you
going to call this?

Speaker 3 (08:02):
What are we doing here?

Speaker 4 (08:04):
You're not going to get those calls when when you're
playing passive, it's not gonna.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
No, they haven't been passive at all, but there have
been other other games where that that to that level
of physicality that that's that's not that's not being aggressive.
I mean you're you're literally you got both arms around
jokers waist. I mean, come on, man, what what what

(08:32):
are we doing here?

Speaker 3 (08:33):
So I graduate credit? But if they're allowed to play
the way, nobody's beaten them, so we must well graduate.

Speaker 4 (08:41):
Based on what you're saying to the theory that the
game was rigged.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
No, I'm not saying I'm not saying the game was rigged.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
I'm saying the officials went into that game and they,
I think early in the game established here's what, here's
what we're going to allow, and here's what we're not
going to allow. And they allowed a lot on the
defensive end with Oaks City.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
What was he? Then that falls on.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
The Nuggets because you didn't understand the room. You didn't
read the room right, you had no idea what was
going on in the room. So one team responded right,
the other team didn't.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yeah, I didn't like. I didn't like the way the
Nuggets responded either. But I'm just saying, you know, based
all No, I'm saying I've watched the NBA for a
long time, and if you're going to allow that much
physicality to that level, then Oak City is going to
be very very I'll tell you what. I bet they

(09:37):
don't next series. I'll bet when when when Caruso wants
to check and then like that, I bet they don't
allow that. I bet they don't.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
Well, ant Man is not Michael Jordan the last time
I checked, So I know he's an unbecoming you know.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
So I mean you agree they won't or you think
they will.

Speaker 4 (09:59):
Oh, they're gonna allow it now, okay, all right, Well,
one of this is going to be right and you're
gonna be wrong. Well, hey, listen, I've been wrongly for
but I'm okay with that. But the game is about
playing defense and getting up into someone's body and get
getting okay someone's okay, And that's what caused the Nuggets
to make a couple of mistakes and turn.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
The ball over.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Anybody from Oak City play Anthony Edwards the way the
Caruso played Joker, No, I mean not even close.

Speaker 4 (10:28):
Okay, day, So once again, let's go back to what
you're actually saying. If they give the right of passage
to a man and not letting Caruso do that to
him and guard him, that means as though there's a
level of disrespect that is shown towards Nicola Joki in
different in the different Nuggets organization that they're not willing
to do to anyone else around the league.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
And that's very distrests. So we agree on some slightly,
we agree in some no.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
And I'll say this, it's it's easier to do that
to Yoki because you is bigger, bigger body, and it's
easier to get into him. Anthony Edwards is constantly moving,
so it's harder to get I'm just saying I don't
see them allowing that level of physicality against Anthony Edwards.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
I would love to.

Speaker 4 (11:14):
See it because that would be throwback NBA for me.
I throw NBA.

Speaker 5 (11:18):
I think there's gonna be a lot physicality in this series.
Matt Moore, who's been covering the NBA for a long time,
tweet this out during the game, specifically about a lot
of gripes on Caruso covering Yokic, and he said, just
to be clear, the reason that Caruso Caruso on Yokic
works is because how the NBA officiates Smalls versus Biggs.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
That's it.

Speaker 5 (11:39):
It's not genius. It doesn't actually stop Jokic. It's just
an officiating quirk league wide. I agree Cruse Cruz is
a great defender and it's a smart adjustment, but that's
the only reason it's working.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
I agree with you. I didn't.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
I didn't see that tweet, but I agree with everything
Matt Moore said. They let they let Little's get away
with a whole bunch on Biggs, right, And and I
did think that it's a good adjustment by Oklahoma City
with respect to when the Joker was at the Free
throw line or top of the key. That's when Caruso
had him. Now, to me, you want to get him

(12:11):
down on the blocks occasionally and then say like, okay,
you're gonna you're gonna play a guy six' five down
there against. Him but But demro's trying was trying to
run their offense Through jokic at the top of the,
key and they've been successful.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
At doing that a lot this.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Year BUT i thought it was a Really hey, LISTEN
i Love caruso's game THAT i, mean that guy makes
the rest of the guys like step up their game
defensively and, say well, listen if HE i mean he's doing,
THAT i Better i'm gonna check my.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
Guy and this is where The nuggets fall is short because.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
They don't have that. Guy that's like a lot of people.

Speaker 4 (12:49):
Hated Pat, beverly they hadn't hate him to this, day
BUT i love him because just Like, caruso they know
that they may not be the most talented guy in the,
association they may not be the largest, guy but they
have the dog mentality and they believe it in their
mind that they can guard all five positions until The

(13:09):
nuggets decide that they want.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
Dogs not D O G, S D capital D A
W G S. Dogs that's like dog.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
Dolls they need those types of, players and until they
get those types of players, consistently this is going to
BE i.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Think losing the way they.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
DID i think you give credit to a lot OF i,
MEAN i Thought David adelman was really good in the.
Postseason whether he's going to be the, GUY i don't,
know BUT i THINK i think if You're Josh, kronky
you have to step back from this and, Say, Okay Oak, City,
minnesota and they've gone about it in a in a

(13:49):
defensive minded, way and they've enhanced their, team not. NECESSARILY
i mean they've Had Oak cities had a bunch of
high draft choices, also but The caruso deal would open
my eyes to that kind of. Player he can't be
the only player that has that skill set available in THE.

(14:10):
Nba you've got to find one or two of those,
guys Like nick, said, Right, dogs you got to find
one or. Two they don't have to be great offensive,
players they don't, have but they they bring that level
of intensity and defensive minded.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
Toughness In.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Minnesota you, know the the, gosh the, big the big defensive.
Guard he's, nope, nope, nope the defensive minded. GUARD i
can see. Him Not, Conley, no, no, no defensive minded.
Guard the big he's like six,' nine but his wingspan
is like. SIX eleven i don't think of. His, name

(14:50):
yeah he's.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
He's exactly he's Exactly.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Like caruso and he's going to wind UP on sga
and that's going To be i'm anxious to see how
they're gonna let him.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
PLAY S g.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
A right and he's the one That played jamal. Last
year and he's he's three, inches bigger, he's long, he's
active he gets up into you the.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
WHOLE court i can't think of that.

Speaker 5 (15:13):
Dude's name, I'm, McDaniels, Yes, daniels yeah, GOOD player, i mean, defensive, minded, tough,
athletic long he knows what is my deal here is
make Sure that i'm every time you turn around or dribble,
the basketball you.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
See me that's how. He plays so it's it's. GONNA
be i think it's gonna be, a great. Great Series
bruce brown was.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
That, Guy Honestly bruce.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Brown brought some of that To, The, nuggets no no question, ABOUT.
IT kcp i don't think as Tenacious As, bruce Brown.
But cacp, you know he could occasionally knock down, three
pointers but he had a defensive mindset. As well really.
Smart player they, missed obviously both. Those GUYS, Like I
like i.

Speaker 4 (15:59):
Was, saying earlier this is the mentality and the thing
That Drove coach. Malone crazy and he was very openly
verbally critical of, his players, you know in private, and
public and that's probably what got him fired because he
comes from a background, of defense his dad being a

(16:19):
defensive coordinator For the pistons back in, the day and
we all know how, they played so he wanted his
team to play and. That, attitude WELL like, i said
that's not Who the. Nuggets are they can give that
to you, one night but to give that to you
consistently in the seven, game series they can't.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
Do it and this series.

Speaker 5 (16:37):
Proved, that, well yes maybe there's a bit of a
flawed to. THE plan, i, mean honestly we come into
this thing with. AN expectation, i mean thing we talk
about all the way Back in August and september was
did they have enough depth?

Speaker 1 (16:49):
Like that that was a Question in game one all
the way to the end of.

Speaker 5 (16:53):
The season that you talked yourself into certain things because
you don't have a choice and you're trying to keep the,
core together as. They did but you get to this
point and your Depth Was russell westbrook off the bench
was minus ninety two during. This series again we talked
about plus mius a little bit of a flat stat
but we can All Agree russell WESTBROOK and i know
he had a, hand injury it was just was not.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
An, additive well they had too many guys.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Yesterday turning the, ball, over right THEY had i think
they had twelve turnovers in the. FIRST half, i mean
you got Runouts Where oak city's got two, on one
three on, one, runouts. Layups dunks no way in the
world you're going to be able to win, a game
especially on, the road if you're turning the ball over
at the rate they were turning the. Ball OVER and i.

(17:40):
GET that i think again losing. THIS game, i, mean
honestly For the nuggets seven Games Against, OKLAHOMA city i
don't think many people felt like it was going to
be that long of. A series But For, josh CRONKEY
now i think you take a step back, And, Say
okay i'm at the.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
Crossroads Here With.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Nicole jokic HOW do i best maximize him in the
next three to.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
Four years WHAT do i have.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
To do THERE'S nothing i will not do to try
to make this. Team BETTER and i think you have
to make some really. Tough decisions you're handicapped. By contracts, you, KNOW.
HIM mpj i look out THERE and i give him
credit only in this sense trying to play through what
everybody said was a significant. Shoulder injury but the reality

(18:30):
of it is you're in this league because you're, a
shooter and. You couldn't you couldn't had one game this
in this series out of seven that you knock. Down
shots everything else you were. No SHOW what I what
i don't like about him is when he's, not scoring.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
You got to find something else. To do you got to.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Find work too many times standing around the ball bounces
off the Rim And oak city just with hustle runs.
It down, YOU know, i mean, come, On MAN so
i don't think that can. CONTINUE now i don't know
exactly how they would have to work it out, contract
WISE but I don't i don't, YOU know i would
not be surprised.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
At ALL off mpj.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Is Elsewhere the jamal thing is a little, more, difficult
right four years and fifty plus million. A YEAR but
i don't Disagree. With nick, you know he's six or.
Sixteen yesterday that's in. That. Game man if you're, that
guy you've got to step up and you may go.
Down SWING and I Think oak city was a. Better
team but you're going to go down swinging with you

(19:31):
getting thirty three and not six. For SIXTEEN so i don't,
you know inconsistency there. For Me, CHRISTIAN brown i think
is a guy that you can you can count on
to be one of. Those guys so You've, Got Jokic,
christian BROWN. AND ag i have so much respect for

(19:53):
him to go. Out there, i'm thinking there is no
if that's a second degree, hamstring tear there is no
way in the world. He's playing then you see him
warming Up and, i'm, like okay and then you see.
Him play i'm thinking one are. TWO things, i MEAN
and i think he gets all, the CREDIT but, i
mean the degree of sprain is recognized after you GET.

(20:16):
An mri it's not like the doctor probes around with
his thumbs, and ooh that's.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
Really sort that's not so, sore there and then, says
well that's a.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
Second degree you can see the tear IN the mr
and so for the for them to come out and
say that's a, second degree, you know hamstring tear and
a strain is, a terror, then man, OH man i
don't Know that i've ever seen anybody with a grade
two hamstring tear play like forty eight hours after the,

(20:47):
initial injury prop props in, a big big way to.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
Him rebounds it. Was incredible it was it.

Speaker 5 (20:56):
WAS aspiring i honestly thought when they got out to
that ten plus point lead in the, FIRST quarter i,
was like if they win, this game we're gonna say
this Is The aaron. Gordon game even if he doesn't
do a ton from a, scoring standpoint the fact that
he was out there, GOING out i, mean that, no
doubt that. WAS amazing, i, mean listen we have a
lot to get to, with this But but i'll just,
say THIS and i know you're kind of teasing me

(21:17):
About The oklahoma, city thing but the point of, IT
is i, was very very impressed with the fight from.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
This team they had a lot stacked.

Speaker 5 (21:23):
Against him we said that from the outset when they
fired their coach and they FIRED their gm moments before the,
postseason started said a lot is wing. Against you you
went out there and you you fought. Like hell you
won the series Against the clippers again with some inconsistent
Play Around, nikola yoak which had a couple of moments from.
Different guys but the Fact is joker kind of had
to carry this thing And The Oklahoma city. THUNDER series

(21:44):
i told you from, THE outset i, was like if
they can get this thing to five, Or six i'm
gonna be. Pretty happy they got it. TO SEVEN i
i sit, HERE today i feel pretty good About the.
NUGGET season i know it's not a great thing, for FANS.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
But i think they're at. A, crossroads, SURE sure i
think maybe both things can.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
Be true you can feel good about how. They fought i'm.
Not sure oak said he'll have a seven game Series.
Against minnesota.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
We'll SEE but I Think josh kronkey right now has
to take his time, And say i've got To Maximize
nikola jokic for the next.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
Four years HOW do i? Do that that that has.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
To HAPPEN and i, think that, you know we'll talk
more about several ways that we could see.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
It working, you.

Speaker 7 (22:27):
Lose it's crushing and it's the last time you'll be
in the room with, those guys and it's. Beyond that
you only get one. Of these, you know this is
the one moment we had together to make. This run
and they're all individual, to themselves they're. Also special anybody
that's played sports. Understands that so walking out of that
locker room is, you know it's crushing and it's going
to take.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
A while lead.

Speaker 5 (22:47):
Over, that specifically when he was asked if he wanted
to come back and be the full time head coach,
next season here's what.

Speaker 7 (22:53):
HE said i don't think it's time for me to think.
About that we Just lost. Game seven our. Season's over
decision makers will make. That, decision obviously blessed to have,
this opportunity, you know take the helm and lead this. Team,
something Obviously if i'm not back, Next year i'll obviously never.
Forget this it's been an incredible experience and to have

(23:14):
the buy in from the guys was really special.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
For me and you know what we did at the
end of.

Speaker 7 (23:18):
The SEASON like i brought this up a, few times
but everyone's gonna remember these game sevens and the playoff
series and. All that i'm gonna remember the last few
games of, the season because we showed Up in sacramento
and a. Must win we. Did it we did It
with memphis On a. Friday night we did It. In houston,
you know three teams, that were, you know vying. For
positions so those were big time games for the guys

(23:39):
that quickly to come together and give us.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
This opportunity very special.

Speaker 7 (23:43):
To me i'll never, forget it you, KNOW something i
think down the Road and, i'm older this group will always.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
Remember this, you know we it.

Speaker 5 (23:51):
Was, about YEAH like, i said that was a TREMENDOUS
answer i Thought From, david adelman because it'd be easy in, That,
moment dave to go ahead and lay out the reasons
why you think should be on the code. HEAD coach
i wouldn't have blamed him, to, SAY well i think
the guys have really responded. TO me I think i've
PROVEN that i can get through to. This group, you
know you could have laid out, his resume but instead,

(24:13):
He said i'm not in a place. For THAT what
i am going to say Is that i'm really proud
of how, they Competed and i'm specifically remembering how we
were able to close out the. Regular season it's everything
that was going around and. Going on you had to win.
Those games you had to win those games otherwise.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
We're going to be a play.

Speaker 5 (24:29):
In team they had to win, those games and, they
DID and i just thought that was such a brilliant
move from him.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Last, NIGHT yeah i think the last thing any Of
the nuggets players would have wanted to hear after that
Game Is. David adelman even if the question was posed
to him laying out his plan.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
For why he should be the.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
HEAD coach i think he answered it the way smart,
People answer AND now i think it's going to be
interesting to see sort of where it goes. From here
wouldn't be surprised if he's, the, Guy RIGHT but i
think this is a. Crucial, hire obviously you've got to
HIRE a gm, as WELL and, i said more times,

(25:10):
than not you HIRE the gm and THEN let gm hire.
The coach doesn't have to be that way all, the
time but most times that's sort of the order that.
IT works i would Imagine That josh cronky has been
formulating the hire or Hires Since michael malone AND my

(25:32):
gm whose, Name Oh, Calvin booth since both those guys.
ARE fired i Would imagine kronky's got a short list and,
who knows maybe even has started talking.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
To PEOPLE but i think, THIS again i think they're at.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
A crossroads i Think the nuggets have had a good
run HERE and i. Think it, you know If You're,
josh kronkey you have the most important question to have
answered is not who's going to BE the gm or
who's going to be the. Head coach it's, on him
the owner Of, The nuggets and the question is HOW,
do i the owner Of, the nuggets Best Surround nakola

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jokic over the next four or five years with talent
that will put us in a position to WIN an.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
Nba championship the.

Speaker 4 (26:17):
Way you answered that question is going out and hiring
THE right gm and ALLOWING that gm to hire a
like minded head coach that can lead. This team and,
for me the first guy that comes, to mind And
When kevin bluth, IS fired i automatically my mind. Went There, bob,
myers right who spent time With The Golden, state warriors

(26:40):
helped build that program and now is On The Full.
Letter network that is the type of guy that has
a vision for, present time but also has a future vision.
As well and that's what this organization needs because, the
window whether we want to look at it, or not
as Talented As nicola. Jokic is we know this. From
data the window doesn't, get wider it starts. To close

(27:03):
and know one as though you have a young team,
and okay see that they built over, these years they're not.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
Going anywhere this was a true.

Speaker 4 (27:13):
TEST for okc to see if they can pass the
old god and in, their mind whether they win a tighter,
or not they show that they can go toe to
Toe With nikola jokiic And The.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Denver nuggets how attractive is?

Speaker 5 (27:27):
THIS job, i mean just say FROM a, gm standpoint
knowing that you have no draft picks this.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Upcoming year, IN fact i don't think you have a.

Speaker 5 (27:33):
First round, it's like well, NEXT year i think you
have a first round of twenty, twenty six but you know.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
Are draft picks.

Speaker 5 (27:38):
This year you talked about some of the interesting quirks
to the current roster you could look AT. Moving inmpj,
Interesting Enough christian brown is kind of to a. Contract
extension we're. Already there answer, your question it's a real. Attractive,
job okay you got the best player in, the world
but all.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
The, PRESSURE well.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
I mean that you're gonna you're gonna have that no
matter where, you, go right unless you take over a team,
that sucks and then you're probably gonna get fired before they.
REACH relevancy, i mean you can, rebuild them but you're
probably not going to see him to. A Championship bob
myers is uh is regarded as a, you know a a.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
Basketball guy he's had great success.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
And he's he's been able To acquit when he Was In,
golden state he was able to acquire talent To Surround.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
Steph curry it was the right kind.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Of Talent but i'll, Tell you i'll tell you maybe
the most important or or as important a factor With
With bob Meyer Is.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
Joe Lacob joe lacob Owns the warriors.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
And Allowed bob meyer to go way above in terms of,
salary commitments above what everybody else Except the celtics recently
had done over the last. TEN years, i Mean The
Golden state warriors were spending money and we're a couple
of layers above the, luxury Tax And joe, lacobs, said

(29:16):
hey you, know what put it together and let's. Go
win And So. Josh cronky, you know. WE'LL see, i
mean is that where he wants. To go you've got
the best player in, the world but you are you
are woefully thin on.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
The bench you need a couple of.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
New faces you're gonna have to creatively, find ways probably
to move on from a guy or two that's contract
right now may bind you. A bit this, To Me
josh cronky is as important a player based on Where
the nuggets are right now as whomever he HIRES at
gm and then ultimately they hired as.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
Head Coach the.

Speaker 4 (29:59):
Nuggets are in fact at a crossroads and they have
to make. A decisions and we've seen it in all
kinds of. Sports leagues and as, they say to make,
an omalank you have to break. Some eggs so sometimes
you may have to exceed the eluxury tax to get
to a point where you need to. Get to because
let's be totally honest about this market, in basketball right
and it goes back to the days Are Come.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
Ella, anthony well when we Look, at denver it's.

Speaker 4 (30:23):
Not one of those places a lot of those athletes,
saying OKAY or i want to come and play For The.
Denver nuggets you have to. Entice them the one thing
that is that glue Piece Is. Nicola jokic he's the
guy that's going to pull, guys in and some guys
may be willing to take less money to play with
him for a chance to win.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
A title but this is something they have to. Do
now this can't be one.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
Of those or, you know we're going to hire someone
and then we're going to think about two or three years. From,
now no you have to spend the money. Right now
and if you pushing your chips to the table for
one person on, this team And That's, nicola jokic you
damn sure where to do it?

Speaker 1 (30:59):
Right, NOW well i think you're, both Wrong and i'll
explain that when we.

Speaker 5 (31:02):
Come back SO what i mean, by wrong more so,
than anything is JUST saying i Believe the nuggets are
seriously eyeing hiring their interim COACH, and gm Which doesn't
that's not what. We said THE reason i was saying
wrong is because you guys. Were saying you guys, were,
saying hey let's Go Get, bob myers let's go look,

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at this Let's go and, IT'S like i legitimately believe
in their minds they know the, path forward and they're
going to roll forward with.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
These, Guys first nick was the one That Said.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
BOB myers i Agreed That bob myers has had a great,
track RECORD but i PRETTY sure i said at that
point this is going to Be A josh, cronkey Thing And,
joe lakeup the owner Of, the warriors was the key
guy out There Allowing bob myers to put that. Thing
TOGETHER but, i Mean would i'd be Surprised If david
adelman is the new. HEAD coach i. WOULD not i

(31:59):
don't know enough about THE interim gm to have. AN
opinion i.

Speaker 5 (32:02):
Don't, Know Yeah, ben tenzer what will you say it
would what's a message to the.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Fan base if they hire? THE interims i.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
Don't think YOU were, I mean i don't know what that.
WOULD be i think people.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Probably respect the Job That david, adaman did but the
message has to COME from, i mean there's. One guy
If You're josh cronky, to me you're talking to, one
guy And that's nicola jokicch and YOU'RE getting i shouldn't
say that you're Talking, to jokic you're Talking To. Aaron
gordon those, two guys what did they think about The

(32:35):
Job david. Adaman did and you always have to factor
in from a. Player's standpoint players deal with coaches. Every
day players by and large have a loyalty chip in,
their minds even guys making millions, of dollars and so
you got a. Factor in the players may like the
coach and we'll, say so and then when you make,

(32:58):
a decision it can't be only on what those. Players
Say but jokic would, be very very important to whether
Or not. Adamman, stays again, to me the PRESSURES On.
U kronky it's not on If it's adalman, or whomever THE,
new gm the THE, interim gm if he's.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
The, guy, good, hey, great Great It's.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Josh Kronky josh cronki has a, basketball background Played. In
missouri he understands the game. Of basketball he's got, To,
decide okay HERE'S what i want to do the next
four or, five years and be willing to.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
Do it i'm going to take.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
That a step further and push back, and, say well
it's Not About. Josh, cronky really this conversation we're having
and a decision making comes down to. One player it's
about that player and that Player Being nicola jokic going.
To management now management coming, to, him right him going
to management and demanding that they make some. SIGNIFICANT changes

(33:55):
i know you're talking about the, interim. Coaches right, once
again you're in room coach for for.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
A reason why does it matter if management goes to
him or.

Speaker 4 (34:04):
He goes, To manage because now it's showing the Assertiveness
of nicola, yokis saying you, KNOW what i have had enough.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
Of this my back.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Is broken he sort of said that yesterday in the
in the in his own way in the.

Speaker 4 (34:20):
Press, conference wait but he needs to come out and really.
Be assertive.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
How do you know? He's not how do you know
he doesn't do that behind?

Speaker 4 (34:30):
Closed, Doors well i'm going to gauge it based on
what he said yesterday because he was asked if this
team is good enough? To win he, said, no, no
no and they got they need to. Do something that's.
Pretty assertive not for me, saying no they're not they're
not Good. At no if my wife, asked me do
you want? TO sparagus i can say. Something else Start,

(34:50):
With nick what would you like for him to? HAVE
said i would like for him to have walked into
the office and say.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
How do you know he didn't you we're talking about
the press. Conference yesterday what else could he? Have said he.

Speaker 4 (35:04):
Could, Have said i'm tired, Of this i'm tired of carrying.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
The, team well he, was asked do you Think the
nuggets have enough to contend for?

Speaker 3 (35:12):
A championship? That's nice, said no but he said that.

Speaker 4 (35:15):
They're not they don't. Have enough we all know they don't.
Have enough but, to me now you have to put
it on the map, and, Say look i'm tired of caring.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
A team you don't. Know that he hasn't had that
conversation behind.

Speaker 4 (35:25):
Closed Doors all i'm going to talk about what he
said openly. In public he didn't, say, THAT right i didn't,
hear him so.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
You wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
EXPECT him, i mean what nobody says that like in a.
Press conference i'm tired of carrying. These guys he's he's
a he's a teammate of. These guys he he cares.
About them he's not going to say that to the
to the mullets of.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
The press he doesn't possess that mentality when we WHEN
when i look.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
At him but he needs to he needs to put
that out on.

Speaker 4 (35:56):
Front street he could talk with them close doors, about
whatever but he needs to let. People know you, Know
what this IS how I feel i'm.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
Carrying the, damn.

Speaker 4 (36:05):
TEAM right I gotta i got Someone. Playoff dumal he's not.
Showing up he's supposed to Be, my Robinson. MY batman,
i mean he's Not The cape CRUSADER that i thought,
he was so some's.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Gotta change, WELL again i, would say we don't know
what kind OF. Conversations nicolea jokic has had in private with,
with Management and i'll see. What HAPPENS and i, do,
Think well i'm not Gonna. BLAME jokic i think it's
All On. Josh cronky you say it Ain't On. JOSH
cronky i don't know his name's on. The checks he

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gets to decide everything About the.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
Nuggets organization who else would it. Be on but this
is where the.

Speaker 4 (36:44):
Marquee player don't wait for the organization to come.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
To you. You go.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
You don't you're assuming that that hasn't. Already, happened well
based ON what i, tell.

Speaker 4 (36:53):
You, what dave we'll get a chance to sit back
and see if it. Does happen based on WHO'S a
gm who's a head coach and who what.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
Players remain.

Speaker 5 (37:02):
We'll, see nick you should have gone to your wife
before she made. The asparagus the letter told her you
wanted