05-16-25 KOA Sports Hour 2 with Benjamin Allbright

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
We'll come back to the Nuggets here, not only reacting
to the big win on Game six, but also looking
ahead to Game seven.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
We're on until six o'clock to night. We got Rocky Baseball.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Rivalry Week is what they're deeming this weekend in Major
League Baseball, and the Rockies are on the road taking
on the Diamondbacks's rivalry week is rivalry week?

Speaker 3 (00:17):
So are they taking on wins? Wow? Good, very good?
Right there?

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Good, Ben, I've been.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
It's amazing because again, you know, middle of the day
is usually when you're sleeping or playing video games.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
I had no idea up right about now you're this clever.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
It's the lack of sleep. So we found out today.
We I think we touched upon.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
This a month or two ago, Dave, when we found
out that the NFL owners were going to vote on
a proposal to change the playoff seating format. They tabled
it and they're going to officially vote on it next week.
So just a recap quick, what's on the docket for this.
They basically are saying we're going to seed strictly on

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regular season record, rather than automatically awarding the top four
seeds as division winners. So if you win the division,
you are in, but you are not guaranteed a home
field game, So that would be how it does. I mean, it's,
you know, still the first the first seed to buy.
That's the same as it was, and obviously you're going
to be hosting a home game in the division round.

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But then the rest of the seeds. I mean, it
all kind of lines up. And I mean you saw
last year specifically with the Lions the Vikings.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
Is a good example of that.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Those will be in the top two seeds, but instead
they played each other in the final week and the
Vikings the Vikings ended up having to travel because they
ended up being a wild card and not winning the division.
So that's that's the way that it lines up. A
couple more little tweaks on.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
This that will pass, by the way.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
You don't think this will pass, Okay, I hope not.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
I hope.

Speaker 4 (01:52):
I hate it, Like, what are we doing rewarding mediocrity?
What were you could even win your own division. We're
helping wild cards because it isn't fair.

Speaker 5 (02:01):
Well, more important, I don't disagree with that, but more
importantly it part of sort of the beauty of the
playoffs from some people's perspective is you get a team
like Seattle a few years back. They came in seven
or nine and then hosted a playoff game beat the Saints,

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and the Saints were whatever eleven and five or whatever
they were. So if you do it the way that
some are suggesting you virtually would would guarantee a situation
like that would not happen, because I think Seattle is
seven or nine on the road facing the Saints is
probably not going to find a way to win the game.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
The proposal makes it easier for the halves, It.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
Makes it easier for the one seeds because you're receding
for the buff So the Kansas City Chiefs and teams
like that are going to be better off, better incentivized
by this stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
The vision title would serve as the first tiebreaker, not
head to head, just really quickly on that, and then
as you mentioned, they're going to recede.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
That would be the deal.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Their argument for it, Okay, there's a couple of arguments
for but what they're going to use the people that
are supportive of argument for it is how many teams
were resting starters, especially in the last week of the season.
If you're still playing for things, and they went through
a whole PowerPoint. I guess in this I can go.
I can tell you what they said. I actually have those.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
But they basically went.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Through the Rams, the Chiefs, the Eagles, all these teams
that were resting starters and making non competitive Week eighteen
matchups would actually be playing for seating at that point.

Speaker 5 (03:30):
Yeah, I mean a handful of teams would. But I
don't think that's enough. The fact that we want to
make sure that four or five teams Week eighteen play
their starters because theoretically they w still have something to
play for. I get that, but I still think I
do not think this will pass.

Speaker 4 (03:49):
You're also taking the gate revenue out of the hands
of division winners and putting it in the hands of
wildcard hosts now because because the playoff salary that you
get is absurdly low. Right, people don't understand that those
contract number don't carry over the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
There's a set number for everybody.

Speaker 4 (04:02):
Uh, And then you're taking the gate revenue out of
the division winners hands.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
But this is a this is more of an argument
about the TV contracts.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
I mean, but the TV contracts stayed the same to
the way, not for the playoffs for Week eighteen, right,
because they want they want, they want more incentive for
people to watch Week eighteen. I get that, but last
year was an exception, not the rule. I mean we
had the least amount of parody in the league last
year than we YEA. TV numbers were up right, yeah, team,
but not for a Week eight team.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
For the season they were, But Week eighteen was we
knew quite a few teams that.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Already people didn't want to watch. Bow and the Broncos
beat up on Carson Wentz.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah, and the Rams saw they had announced none of
my guys are playing. And the Eagles with Saquon that
would have been really fun to watch, right, maybe get
the record, Yeah you would watched that, but they said, nope,
not even worth it.

Speaker 5 (04:46):
Well, how would how would it if this would have
been instituted this year?

Speaker 3 (04:51):
How would it have changed? I can tell you in Philadelphia?

Speaker 5 (04:56):
Yeah, I mean it would have changed in Kansas City, right,
because I'm just thinking, what what.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
Philid or did the Bills have? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (05:05):
So we well Philadelphia was they went into Week eighteen
set as the number two seed, but under this system
they would have fallen into number three if they lost
that game, and they did lose that game.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
The NFTE would have been seated like this.

Speaker 4 (05:15):
The Blions would have been number one with the bye,
two would have been the Eagles, three would have been
the Vikings, four would have been the Commanders.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
And then you would have had five packers who would
six bucks and seven rams.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
So the Rams and the Rams went into the buy
or they went into week eighteen knowing they'd either be
the three or four. But in this justice system, they
could be up all the way down to seven. It
would have seen Yeah, yeah, they could have fallen all
the way down to the seven. So it adds just
another kind of layer to it. Listen, I kind of
like it, but I'm not so hung up on it.
I got into it with some of Ben's followers today,

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which was ever a mistake.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
Never get in the conversation, surprise, you got into an
argument on social media during the never get into the
comment session with my followers.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Such a mistake.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
But I I'd say I like it, probably a little
bit more than others, but not something I'm willing to
die on. At least we're not talking about Mike Greenberg's
idea for doing a draft lottery for the NFL that
that makes no sense to me whatsoever, But this.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
One I could kind of see again.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
The example last year was the Lions and the Vikings
and having a team that ended up losing that fight.
I mean, you had a great season, you had a
tremendous season, and you just so happened to be scheduled
against maybe the other best team in the NFC in
Week eighteen, and you lot, somebody's gonna win that game,
somebody's gonna lose that game, and the loser has to
travel and they end up losing in the first round. Now,

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if they're hosting that game, maybe they don't lose in.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
The first round.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
Are you suggesting, though, that home field advantage is that important.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
So we just talked about the seven to nine Seattle Seahawks.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
They wouldn't have won that game against the Saints in
New Orleans.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
They they might have if you like, if you're the
better football, better football of this one? The eight and
a Denver Broncos hosting the twelve and four Pittsburgh Steelers
in the Tim Tebow De Marii's Thomas Game.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
Do the Broncos win that game if it's in Pittsburgh?

Speaker 4 (06:55):
I don't know, but but I I am for Denver
having earned that game by winning their division.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
So am I, and I will unless you're doing.

Speaker 4 (07:04):
Away with divisions and you're just having conferences and everybody
plays everybody in your conference.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
I see.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
I still think the divisions.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
But again, not to be too argumentive, I do think
the division still matters because if you win the division,
you're in like you get like you and you and
I went back and forth a little bit. The division
still matters. Maybe it doesn't have his is lofty of value.
Under the currents Conhears system, it means more. This devalue
is it a bit, but it doesn't devalue it completely
because if you win your division, it's an automatic buy.

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So in this case for the Rams, they say, we
don't really care where. We said we're gonna rest everybody
because we view the value of getting rest in more
so than having a home playoff game.

Speaker 4 (07:41):
At the end of the day, this feels like we're
rewarding wild cards, which they could deal away with for
me to begin with anyway, Wow, that's elitist. I'm just saying,
when your division, you don't have to worry about it.
Good at football, you don't have to worry about it,
do you?

Speaker 3 (07:52):
Uh? Do you not care about the wild cards as much? Dave?
Like Ben No, I think walk guards, generally speaking, are
a good idea.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Wo Tang, David, what you would do with what you
would do away with cards?

Speaker 3 (08:06):
Hyperbolic.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
I don't want to cater to the wildcards, which is
what this is. This is catering cards.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
That was what you asked me, though I didn't want
to change this rule either.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
Yeah, I'm being hyperbolic about that because I was like, well,
we're trying to cater the wildcards.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
Which we could do away with anyway.

Speaker 5 (08:18):
It would be five And I don't think any of
this would be happening had the Vikings not had had
just once in a lifetime year where they went fourteen
games and don't win the division, right, I mean, normally speaking,
how many times have we had fourteen game winners in
the regular season that we're not divisional winners?

Speaker 3 (08:36):
I think that's the first time. I do too.

Speaker 5 (08:38):
Yeah, so I'm not in favor of changing the system
that's been pretty good the last few years.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
Because the Vikings happened to have a year.

Speaker 5 (08:44):
I certainly gave us this moment Denver's football first snap
of overtime here tied at twenty three line of scrimmage.
The Bronco twenty shotgun for Tim Tebow short motion is
that he Royal tam playfakes in the pocket, sets crows
past talks to Mary Thomas, I don't know the forty
five mind feel there we.

Speaker 6 (08:59):
Go thirty five foot race, twenty fifteen ten touchdown, Denver.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
It's it's over it, Denver. I ever tell you the
story about Bryan Greasy laughing in the background. I ever
tell you a story about where I was watching that.
I'll take her in the break. I lost a hundred
bucks on that plant. Were you here the bucks in
that light? You were upside down with a lot of
baby oil? Is that right?

Speaker 4 (09:22):
Set up with a lot of baby I'm just guessing.

Speaker 5 (09:26):
I mean, you know, and still and still it's still
the middle fortitude to look at the TV and.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
Say, yeah, well actually no, I was. I was. I said,
I shot an explit of it's television call. I was
one hundred bucks on that.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Play upside down, covered a baby what and had you
cover somebody's bar tab?

Speaker 3 (09:41):
And you lost a lot of dollars.

Speaker 5 (09:42):
I've told that story before Brian Greasy uh playing one
more time. Listen for Brian Greasy in the back as
Damarius Thomas is about.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
To score, and listen to his reaction.

Speaker 5 (09:53):
Denver's football first snap of overtime here tied at twenty
three line of scrimmage, the Bronco twenty shotgun for Tim Tebow.
Sure most is that he Royal tam playfakes in the pocket,
sets throws past.

Speaker 6 (10:03):
Talk to Varus Thomas, got over the forty five min
feel there we go. Forty thirty five fuick race, twenty
fifteen ten touchdown Denver.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
It's over.

Speaker 4 (10:13):
That's all for a.

Speaker 5 (10:14):
Denver Brian Greasy's reaction is priceless because he you know, Brian, Brian,
Brian was a good player in the league and a quarterback,
and he just he never fully bought into Tim Tebow.
And now all of a sudden, on the first play

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of overtime, You're gonna throw an eighty yard touchdown.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
He just burst into laughter.

Speaker 5 (10:38):
I thought it was I thought it was such a
genuine reaction to the play.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
And that's I mean speaking to somebody in at that point,
I didn't live in Denver. Like the incredulity of a
nation absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
The Nuggets played in the thunder in game seven.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
Let me ask you, Dave, if Aaron Gordon can't play
or is super limited, how does that impact the rotations?

Speaker 5 (11:07):
Well that, I mean, that would be a huge thing, obviously,
and we have no indication that that's the case, even
though he looked like he tweaked the hamstring at the
end of the game of game six. But I mean,
he gives you. He gives you everything. He gives you

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an ability to you know, if it comes down to
the last three possessions and you want to put ag
on Sga, you can. I don't think you want him
on him the whole game because he takes him too
far from the basket. But he's he's got really unique
ability for a big man to be able to move

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his feet. He's really smart defensively, and he's shown the
ability this year. He's shooting over forty from three point range.
He's he's shown the ability to pull up and knock
him perimeter jump shots. So that, yeah, that would not
be I can think of other guys that if you said, hey,
you got to take one off the roster, AG would

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not be that one.

Speaker 4 (12:11):
Outside of Jokic that would be the biggest loss for
the Denver Nuggets. And I say that knowing full well
that Jamal Murray plays for this team.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Well, yeah, because of the versatility, because all of.

Speaker 4 (12:21):
These defensive versus tam can defend four positions on the court,
he's you know, well, he's I mean, they even said
he's the soule of the team.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
He's the hard beat of the team. It's it's you know,
you take as.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
Much as I'm not a big fan, you take Draymond
Green off of the Golden State Warriors when they had
stuff and everybody on there. I mean, as much as
we point to Steph and Clay, Draymond Green kind of
made that thing go in a lot of ways. And
certainly ag offers more upside as a scorer, right, but
from a defensive standpoint, from just an energy and a

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personality of the team, it would be significant. So I
do think about this in terms of we got to
hit a break here in a little bit. But I
did think about in terms of when the It's won
the championship. It was sixteen and four, right, so they
had sixteen wins, they had four losses.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
So this is back to back seven.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
Game series they're playing now, and let's just argument say
that they get to win on Sunday, which would be phenomenal.
You go into the series against Minnesota and then you
have a series against whoever comes out of the East.
That's a lot of basketball for this team.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
Well, it could be.

Speaker 5 (13:25):
It realistically could be twenty eight games, right, that's eight
obviously eight more games and what they experienced two years
ago when they won it.

Speaker 4 (13:34):
By the way, Nikole Jokic has seventy more assists than
any player in the playoffs this year. Seventy's Tyres Albert's
number two.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
It's one of those tough things. Way, did you find
it a little weird? Do they haven't announced the MVP yet? Yeah?
I mean the league's late. You know what.

Speaker 5 (13:52):
ESPN was talking about that today. They even find it weird. Yeah,
and nobody really has an answer as to why, and
the league is not give it an answer as to why.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
So I don't know. Yeah, they're two weeks later than
they normally announced it.

Speaker 4 (14:07):
It was May eighth last year. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like,
I think they want to get through this series before
they announced it.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
What do you think that is?

Speaker 4 (14:13):
Because I think you have the real MVP playing against
the guy who's going to win the award.

Speaker 5 (14:19):
Well, well wait, I don't disagree with that at all,
But what does that have to do.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
With why do they want to get through this?

Speaker 4 (14:24):
So the last thing you want to do is embarrass
everybody by having the mvp'y announcing the MVP and then
have him lose to the guy.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
Who should have won it. I see what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Okay, I will come back, We'll do this conversation come
up next. I'm just saying, yeah, don't ever have been.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
His opinion on Lord of the Rings.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Five six six, on the Zeros or koa commas.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
Periel text line. Legitimately can't get not a few minutes
back in my life.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
What I thought Heath Ledger and j Jill how are
great in that movie.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
H I want to have a conversation here at the
top of the hour about expectations for Broncos. But Jamal
Murray the Flu Game. He you know, I was thinking
about this yesterday and we didn't get a chance to
get to it. But what is the legacy of Jamal Murray?
Like as we sit here today, when you think about

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Jamal Murray's impact on this franchise, regardless of what he
does from here on out.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
And maybe maybe it even can improve of what you
think about him.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
What is it?

Speaker 2 (15:25):
What is Jamal Murray to you?

Speaker 3 (15:27):
Well?

Speaker 5 (15:27):
I think he would be a key component on an
NBA championship team two years ago. There's there are plenty
of people that would like to see more from him,
would like to see consistency, would like to see, you know,
because he's you look at his skill set. I mean,
he's he's an unbelievably talented player and we see we

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see that from time to time. We see flourishes of
play where it's like wow, okay, I made very few,
very few guys can do that. Like the stretch of
play we just witnessed that's pretty good. His ability to
change hands when he when he gets to the basket
and finish, He's he's been at times inconsistent. He's been

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at time somebody that you look at and say, come on, man,
let's go give me a little bit more on defense,
give me give.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
Me a little bit more effort.

Speaker 5 (16:23):
But I think, I mean, if if it ended right now,
he would be a key cog in an NBA Championship
winning team.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
I think on the.

Speaker 4 (16:32):
Plus side, you're calling him a clutch player, you know,
I mean because a lot of times, a lot of
those moments have been clutched. I think if you're looking
at it from from an optimistic perspective, you're talking about
bubble Jamal, You're talking about clutch time Jamal, Which're absolutly right,
the inconsistency, and so then when you look at the
other side, the downside of it, unfulfilled promise and what
Instagram live oh gosh, oh boy, wait to go.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
Then.

Speaker 4 (16:57):
There's always look Grant played me on with the there
was no that's true.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
I was just thinking about it in terms of you're right,
the clutch moments the Lakers series last year, I mean
just incredible, I mean absolutely incredible, the championship run. He
had some unbelievable moments in that, and and of course
the bubble.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
Yeah. But I was.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
Trying to imagine, if we, like did a corotical straw
pole of Nuggets fans, would it be overall favorable opinion
of Jamal Murray or an unfavorable in a lot of ways.
I think it depends on the week. Right now, I
think it's gonna be overwhelmingly positive.

Speaker 5 (17:33):
I think it would be. I think it would be
more favorable than that. Yeah, I think, I think again,
I think I think there there have been times that
Nuggets fans have been frustrated with him, and I think
that's that's okay. You know, he's he's kind of a
different young guy when you hear him interviewed. There are
times where you you you think, like, hmm, okay, is

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he is he is he pissed off at something some
thans Upsettinghi. It doesn't seem like he really wants to
do and that all those things are fine. I think
if you judge him strictly based on what he's given
the Nuggets franchise on the court, I think I think
he would be the second best player of a championship team.
But I do think there would be there would be

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fans that would look at him and say, yeah, he
was a hell of a player. But I just didn't
see it consistently, and I was always thinking there was
more in the tank.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
What would Jamal Murray be without Nikola Jokic, Like if
he's on another team, Right.

Speaker 5 (18:33):
I think it depends on sort of who the supporting
cast would be, Right, Sure, I mean.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
Could it be a one? Would you say, like a
primary option? Could he could?

Speaker 1 (18:45):
I mean we thought that when he was drafted seventh overall.
He certainly had views of himself as being one of
those kinds of dudes. He was in college, he was
one of those kinds of guys.

Speaker 5 (18:53):
I mean, he's I know he frustrates Nuggets fans, but
but you know, he would be of all the guys
that handled the ball, whether you call him a one
or whether you call him a two, or you call
him a hybrid one or a hybrid two.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
To me, he's in the top.

Speaker 5 (19:11):
Ten of that position in terms of being able to
score the basketball. Now, I think at times he gets
a little lazy on the handle. I think at times
he doesn't He's looked like he hasn't been in optimal shape.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
That's a good point.

Speaker 5 (19:28):
You know, we see that. We see him at times
in the regular season. I've seen him where he looks
a tad bit disinterested.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
All right.

Speaker 5 (19:38):
I mean I think all those things are fair criticism.
But if you're looking strictly at the skill set and
he's what he's put out there, I mean I would
be hard pressed to name ten sort of hybrid guards
that you would want in a big game where you're
going to need a guy to handle it and also
a guy that can score it. I mean, can we

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pick ten guys that are better that we would want
other than Jamal Murray at that hybrid one to two?

Speaker 3 (20:07):
Wow, I would say, no, good question.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Russ would have been one of those guys at one pointe.

Speaker 5 (20:14):
Now here's where I would disagree Russ. Russ was the
MVP of the league. Unbelievable athlete, highly competitive, always in shape,
excellent defender, great rebounder for East size. But Russ never
had the scoring ability from the perimeter that Jamal has.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
But he had the scoring ability, but he was.

Speaker 5 (20:33):
Always getting to the back. It wasn't always, but more
times than not he'd take you to the Basketbach you
never really mind it, even though he's knocked down his
fair percentage of shots. But I don't think at any
point of Russell's career did you really mind him raising
up from.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Three that's fair. You know, guys, percentage was so low.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
I mean, if you talk about Steph Dame Lillard, maybe
Kyrie in that conversation, those comball guards have a modern era.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
If you go all time, you know there's I like
in today in the game today.

Speaker 4 (21:04):
Yeah, I'm not digging back for you know, Gilbert A
Renas or anything, but I would say that Shilbert Rena.
I'm just say it like I think that. Yeah, I
think he's probably four maybe five guys since I don't.

Speaker 5 (21:13):
Think I don't think Arena's ever had the handle that
Jamal does. And you'd never want Gilbert Renas to bring
the ball up, right, I.

Speaker 4 (21:20):
Mean, he he did that, So he did that quite
a bit, but it probably wasn't where you you know,
you probably weren't happy with that, you know.

Speaker 5 (21:28):
So again, I mean, I can understand why Nuggets fans
get frustrated with him.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Because I have too.

Speaker 5 (21:37):
But the reality of it is, I mean, he's a
talented player you always want more from. We've seen it
in stretches. But he would if it ended today, he'd
be he'd be one of the main cogs of a
champion NBA championship team.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Okay, So one last thing on Jamal before we sort
of spin it forward to the game. What could he
do for the remainder of his time with the Nuggets? Obviously,
just signed a new contrac Actually, he's assuming he's going
to be here for quite a while to affect it
more positively, to change I mean multiple championships, like you go, hey,
you like just one more championship would because like I said,

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it depends for me on the week when you ask
Nuggets fans how they feel about Jamal Murray, and sometimes
he even after just the game, like hey, after this game,
I feel great about him. The next game, we'll see.
But if they win another championship, I think the overall
favorability of Jamal Murray over the course of his legacy
will be a positive one and you'll kind of say, well,
some of the inconsistencies I can live with because you'll

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won two championships.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
Yeah, I think that.

Speaker 5 (22:39):
I mean if you were if you were in Jamal
Murray's inner circle and you were advising him, and he
was he was open to hearing what that inner circle fought,
then I would say, hey, you know what, next next year,
let's embark on a journey to get you in the
absolute best shape of your life, best condition of your life.

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It will help you prevent injuries, it will allow your
game to rise to a level that I know is
in there that you'll start to surpass a lot of
great players in this league.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
One thing Steph did.

Speaker 5 (23:23):
Steph changed his body right after I don't know, four
or five years in the league, Steph I mean completely
changed his body, got stronger, got bigger, was able to
run forever. The guy runs two miles in a game.
If you watch Steph Curry, you know, play on offense,
he never ever stops, and he gives you effort. He

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gives you good effort on defense. Jamal to me, is
not I mean, there's no shooter as good as Steph Curry.
But that's what I would challenge Jamal.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
You have to do it the right.

Speaker 5 (23:54):
Way, you know, in a similar way. Although Jamal's not
in the category in terms of getting the shape.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
Is like Luca.

Speaker 5 (24:03):
I mean, somebody's got to be able to sit down
with Luca in Los Angeles and say, bro, I mean,
you don't work on your body. You're carrying twenty five
extra pounds and your skill you're still knocking down, you know,
thirty two points a game. Can you imagine if we
just if we both get in this program and work
at it and you get yourself lean, can you imagine

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the kind of year you're going to have. Can you
imagine if not only in an MVP kind of player,
but leading the Lakers a story franchise to a I mean,
there'd be all sorts of selling points for me. But
but Luca's got to be receptive and open minded and
not say, come on, man, I'm getting thirty three a
game and I'm making fifty million a year.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
What do you what are you tripping on?

Speaker 4 (24:49):
But it's the difference between a guy who can take
over a game and a guy who can take over
the league, you know. I mean, like that's the thing
Lucas takes over, you know, and it's the same thing
with I think at the end of the day, Murray's
legacy is the number two Robin. You know, no matter
how many championships you win, and there will be an
overall positive feeling for him because he was a part of,
you know, a championship or multiple championships if that were
the case.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
But he's Robin. He's not Batman. Well, who was Robin
when Shaq and Kobe get together? Oh two Batman? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Who was Batman and Superman two alphas? Yeah, that's I mean,
you know, there's a few like but is that really
Jamal's fault? Because if he's not fitting in with what
Nicola Jokic is then his whole roles being the That's
what I'm saying, Like if he if he was, like
if he was a quote unple selfish player. And I'm
saying that not to metund like a majority, but I'm

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just saying, like, if he was, I am the alpha.
I am the guy that's gonna be the the dude
on this team. I don't think that fits this team.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
I don't think it fits the skill set.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Maybe not, you know, I.

Speaker 4 (25:51):
Mean end of the day, you know, I think he
needs a very specific type of big man to play
the one two game that I mean, who else are
you putting in there that they could bring the best
out of him? The only guy I can think of
that that would have that sort of ability would be
like Sabanas, like if he played, if he played.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
With him, you know, has sort of the same game.
Like he needs that specific guy to be who he is.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
But even Aaron Gordon had to amend the way he
played to fit in here with the Nuggets.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
Right what he was, We.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Talked about it a lot.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
Gordon was a primary scorer with the magic That's what
I'm saying, Like he got here, he had to recognize, Hey,
I got to be cut into the basket.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
I got to be there for the ali oup I
gotta be there for.

Speaker 4 (26:27):
But I think I think it's a credit to Gordon's ego,
like the fact that he was willing to put that aside.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
But I don't have to.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
I don't have to hit every home run as long
as my team's winning games. Since I think Jamal had
to kind of do a similar thing. That's kind of
my point. And but he's going to be forever known
as a Robin to Nikole Yokic's Batman, and not every
player wants to be like that. Can you imagine Kobe
or Shack ever being referenced that way?

Speaker 3 (26:48):
Both those guys would have richer Yeah.

Speaker 4 (26:50):
And there's one guy that does get reference that way
that bothers me, and that's Scotty.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
Pippen, Like they were both are two Superman of Batman.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
There, you know, Scotty was Scotty Pippen gets mentioned is
Robin on that team?

Speaker 3 (26:58):
But it was it was super Mad of Batman. No,
no tipp and tipping.

Speaker 5 (27:02):
I don't know. I mean, I think Scotty was. Scotty
was a great all around player. I don't think he
ever had the game to be Batman. I think I think,
I mean, honestly, I think he was a really good
robin to.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
Jordan. I always go back to the year Jordan was
out and how Pippin was running the league too. With that.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
I mean, maybe that was phil maybe that was a system,
but Scotty went. They didn't win at all, but Scotty was.
Scotty was balling.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
He had he had had a great year.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
A couple of text year on our Kay Common Spirit
Health text line five six six nine zero. Jamal's legacy
will be he loves to be fat and happy, but
he has to be thin and hungry to be great.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
And the great Jamal is what we want all season
in Caps. That's that's part of it is. I mean,
he certainly turns it.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
On for the postseason most of the time, but the
regular season is the injuries, certainly, and there are some
down games, and there were some down games even when
Nikole Yokic was out, and you're saying, hey, Jamal's got
to be the guy, and he wasn't that guy this one.
Do you guys think Jamal is one of the top
twelve players the Nuggets. We did that a while back

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where he sort of talked about sort of where he
slots in, and I think we kind of had him
in the top ten I remember correctly.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
You mean in Nuggets franchise history.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
Yeah, I think we're pretty close to that.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
I don't know that i'd put him in the top ten.
That'd be an interesting sort of thing.

Speaker 5 (28:27):
So you'd say Jokic in no particular order, dan Issel,
Danny Thompson.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
Larry Jones, Who Larry Jones. You're going way back, Larry Jones.
I'm just saying, I mean you just said Nuggets history, Larry,
Larry Jones, that played for the Miami for the sixty
two point guard.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
Yes, wow, wow, I'd probably put you know, with David Thompson,
we got him. Carmelo would be away, sureway, Alex the.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
English English for sure? Yeap? How many is that five? Yeah?
For sure? It's like seven? Did you give to Kenby twice? Probably?
Are we putting in there at all? Are we putting
there at all? Or putting that lever? To me would

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be a top ten guy. You want to go back
a little while, what about bron Beck?

Speaker 5 (29:25):
Byron Beck was a great player back back in the day.
I'm just trying to Spencer Haywood played here for a year.

Speaker 4 (29:35):
I was in we count I mean he didn't play,
but Charlcey were counting those guys.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Top ten all time.

Speaker 5 (29:43):
Bobby Jones would definitely be in my top ten. He said, right,
you're not get seven right here?

Speaker 2 (29:49):
Yeah, Chris is how many you got?

Speaker 3 (29:52):
Say? Yeah? Eight? So right there? I mean it's did
we put in there? No? Okay, all right, I'm saying
he was there. Was surprised you get Larry Jones might
have got the little basketball history knowledge. Wow, I give
you a few minutes. I gotta think. Are we putting

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a roof in there? Moved abdul roof? I want to.

Speaker 5 (30:18):
I don't know if he'd be a top I mean,
he was a hell of a player a score. I
don't know if he'd be a top ten all time.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
M I don't know.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
I'm trying to run down the list of Martin Kmart.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Just I just said that for fun? Did I said
what I say?

Speaker 3 (30:36):
Did I say night putting that in there? We threw out? Okay,
all right, I'm.

Speaker 4 (30:41):
Just trying to run down the list, uh defensive players.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
Now, I'm trying to run other defenders. You are done.
You are done. Is one of the best defensive players
to ever play for the Nuggets. If George Carls in here,
either Miller or Anthony Miller.

Speaker 4 (30:56):
Yeah, well it's a joke because yah, but Canby though,
Marcus Camby, are we putting that in?

Speaker 3 (31:01):
There can be a great defensive play. Yeah. How long
was he here for? I don't remember. I don't remember.

Speaker 4 (31:08):
I'd have to go back and look, you would want
to go back, Okay, you want to get history, Julius Key, Look.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
At you, Julius Key. Camby was six eleven post players
here from O two to await. Key was here about
four years five or something like that. Yeah, maybe maybe
I'd have to go back.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Anyway that he would be.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
I would put Jamal Murray somewhere between probably maybe oh man,
we are okay, all right?

Speaker 4 (31:37):
Yeah, I would put I mean, Murray's floor is what
fifteen and you know his ceiling is what eight?

Speaker 3 (31:42):
All time?

Speaker 5 (31:43):
If you put if you start doing I think Murray
honestly would be a top ten I think so guy
from the Nuggets, yep, I mean he's he's a key
cog on an NBA championship team.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
They're only one and they've only won once. Yeah, so
I've just struggling for names. Mc dice. That was what
I forgot about it. Mac dice.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Somebody texted him, mc dice, that's a good one.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
We have said, because he's number one. The text Linter
just looked there. He said, you haven't said, yeah, he's
number one, Dave. I was like, I think we all
there was an understanding that.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
I just remember mc dice back in college when he
was at Alabama that was do you remember that.

Speaker 5 (32:21):
I'm gonna pull I'm gonna pull one out. I'm not
looking at the list. See if you know this one.
Jeff Congdon?

Speaker 3 (32:27):
Oh man, what call Jeff Congdon?

Speaker 5 (32:31):
Jeff Kong didn't I don't remember that one. I think
he went to there was a shooting guard. I'm gonna look,
I'm just kidding about.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
Went to b y U. I'm like, man, you're digging
dec Denver Rockets, Rockets, Okay, all right? How about how
about Lonnie right? Okay, it's uh oh yeah, cong was
I was like nine points a game his best season.

Speaker 5 (32:58):
Lonnie Wright played for both the Broncos and the Rockets.
One of the best athletes that we saw in Denver
in a long time.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
That would have been. That would have been right around
the early seventies.

Speaker 5 (33:10):
Five years Colors State knocked out rick Berry single punch.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
That's and that's the reason I know who he is.

Speaker 4 (33:17):
My dad's favorite player of all times, rick Berry really yeah,
so shot free throws like him too, granny style.

Speaker 5 (33:22):
Do you know when rick Berry got knocked out by
Lonnie Wright? Do you know who rick Berry was playing for?
I think would have been Milwaukee or now I think
it was the Oakland Oaks that game.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
I'll look.

Speaker 5 (33:37):
I'm gonna look this up there the breaking he was
playing for the Oakland Oaks.

Speaker 4 (33:41):
I believe that Verry was my dad's fair place shot
even shot the free throws a granny style like they
were so embarrassing.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
I love this.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
Somebody texted and Birdman, Hey, bird defensively their personality. All Right,
we'll come back. I want to get into this conversation.
The Broncos our favorite in a lot of games.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
Marvin Webster got about him, So we'll come back.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
We'll talk a little bit about that coming up next.