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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Pitch is grounded up the middle estrata to our seer
for one, I'm the first for a double play, and
the Rockies start the series here in Florida with a win.
They stop an eighth game skid as they rally and
beat the Marlins six to four.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Dave Logan and I the only ones in the studio
on the show.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
In the sports department.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
We called this, Dave, we said the Rockies were gonna
win last night, and they did.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
I think I think you're safe to say, Ryan, only
two in the sports community.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
You're right. I didn't want to like throw them under
the bus.
Speaker 5 (00:40):
Did to like in in the market.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
No, I don't know, man, because Nick had been picked
against them, like they all I know. Yeah, no, So,
although I'm not sure we should celebrate too much picking
a team that just won their tenth game of the
season against fifty losses, but hey, you know what, you
and I have talked about this before. Important in one's life,
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especially as you become more seasons to strive for what
we call small victories, and that was one last night.
It was a small victory, yes, because this is the thing,
like you don't have to go overboard and say that it.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Like go from the show with cooling the gang celebration
sort of overboard.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
That's why I said it feels a little sarcastic, but
I appreciate the irony of it, and and I think
in this case, yeah, you and I who continue to
root for the Rockies, where as you mentioned, many others
around town are openly against.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Are they really seriously are they doing that? I mean, listen,
we all acknowledge this has been horrible baseball, right, but
are there people openly rooting for the Rockies to lou
so that they can what break a record?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I guess well, I mean I would let them speak
for themselves. But basically, what I've heard slash red online
is in their belief that if the Rockies become the
worst baseball team of all time with this record this season,
that it will lead to substantive, substantive change.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
I see, I don't even know if that's I'm not
even sure that's a guarantee either. If that were a guarantee,
I mean, if you could get into the head of
Dick Monford and you could find evidence that he's already
come to the conclusion that if the Rocky's finished with
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the worst record in the history of modern day baseball.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
He's gonna blow up everything.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
It's gonna be a new GM, it's gonna be there's
gonna be new everything. Okay, then, honestly, at this point,
at ten and fifty, I could probably get behind them
setting that mark.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
One hundred percent with you if I knew for sure
that that would be the direction.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
That they go.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
But the problem is that's just not historically what they've done.
Even in bad seasons, they haven't blown things up. We
We'll just watched and we'll talk about in a monment.
The New York Knicks went to the Eastern Conference Finals.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
How about that?
Speaker 3 (03:06):
They made the playoffs four in the last five years.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Is the first Eastern Conference Finals appearance in twenty five years,
and they just fired their coach, Tom Thibodeau. Like now,
the NBA is a little bit of a different deal.
But my point here is that the Rockies, historically, they
don't make sweeping changes.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
They just don't.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
They.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
In fact, if they make changes at all, usually it's
just a reorganization or reshuffling of things, like, hey, you
know you were the GM, Now you're going to be
in charge of this department and we're gonna do it.
We're gonna bring somebody else into to have a fresh
look at the GM.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
But it's still internal.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Yeah, they have not really been a team that has
I think that maybe they would disagree with this because
I remember Dick, he didn't come on the broadcast and
opening day this year, not to say there's any correlation
with the fact that his club is now ten and fifty.
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I didn't think, and I said, I didn't think it
was a good move for the owner and not to
come on the flagship station for an interview. I stand
by that you have a lot. I have no power,
I know, just that zero power. But I you know,
I think if you look at what Dick has done
in the past since he's become the the I don't know,
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primary owner or whatever, what she said is exactly right.
I remember asking him a couple of years ago in
a season on the home opener about looking outside the organization,
and he indicated really that they had and that they
had interviewed outside.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
The organization with respect.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
To a GM, and the folks that they had interviewed
simply did not have any different ideas than ones that
they had already.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Had themselves, which that did you know that?
Speaker 4 (04:55):
The second we used to do a long long time
ago that said things that make you go hmm, and
that was one of them. I was like, really, but
so no, it has not been his style. I'm not
I'm not sure it'll be his style this time either.
But uh, you know the way in my little pea brain,
the Rockies are on a heater. They're on a one
game heater.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
That's right, and so we go for two in a
row tonight.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
You can chase the ale underback, that's right coming off.
I l yeah, he's available tonight. He's gonna be your
starting pitcher. And you're going up against Sandy Alcantara, who
has got like an eight plus.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
E r A.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
So ay man, I'm yeah, eight four seven. I'm I'm bullish,
I'm bullsh to. They're on a heater.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
They have not won too in a row all season.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Right, No, they have not. They have I'm just telling yeah,
is that.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Is that our show me the money question?
Speaker 3 (05:45):
I believe it is. I believe yep.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Then I do not intend to talk too much about
it because that information is worth a lot.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
But but but this is the thing and last thing
before we get to that portion. It's just that knowing
who they are and who they've been at least, I
just can't openly root for the demise of this thing
in a way that somehow it's going to pay off,
because then I think for those people that are openly
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saying like no, no, if they become the worst baseball team,
you know they will say the modern era. Last year,
forty one wins was the Chicago White Sox. So obviously
they have some ground to make up if they're going
to avoid that.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
But if if that's what you're rooting.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
For, and then your hope is somehow that that's going
to lead to a sale of the team or lead
to sweeping changes, I think you're fooling yourself, I think,
more than anything. And it also depends on and I
was talking with a couple of the Broncos beat last night.
When it's that passer tans event, it also depends on
how they finished the season too, because if they all
of a sudden win, I don't know a handful of
games there in September as they're closed it out of
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the season a three.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
Game winning streak.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Okay, I just want to make sure that I understood
completely what your thought.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yeah, if they sweep their last series. I don't even
know if they sweep their last series. I can see
Dick Martfort saying, you know what, we're on the swing.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Well, they're one game away in this particular series, from
this three game series. It is, yeah, one game away,
one went away, either tonight or tomorrow from winning their
first series, uh and breaking a streak of twenty three
consecutive series losses, which I'm not even sure where that
ranks him in baseball history, but that's it's it's got
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to be up there.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
It's got to be up there.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
No, So listen, hopefully they can, you feel like an idiot,
build on what they did last night, and win a game.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I remember when Dick Montfort said that to you, by
the way, when he was like, oh.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Yeah, we actually did talk to people. He didn't like
their answers.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Yeah, so I said, he said their answers, He said,
they had they gave us nothing that we hadn't already
thought of.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
That's another word.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
They didn't come to the table with any new fresh
ideas that we were like, oh, you know, we hadn't
thought about that, So therefore let's consider that. Guy and
I don't know who that guy was. He didn't get into,
you know, the two people that he had interviewed. But
here are we sitting Ryan.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
On a heater on a heater, one in a row,
one foot front of the other.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
Nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
When this series sweeped this series and.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
That what happened, you know what you have to You
have to win one in order to win two in
a row.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Thank you, Yes, one hundred percent. So I did mention
Tom Tibodau. I do want to talk for a moment
about that. The Knicks today in a bit of a stunner.
I think for a lot of people mentioned the first
time twenty five years per Shan Sharania, that the Knicks
made it to the Eastern Conference finals. They've made the
playoffs four in the last five years, and they fifty
plus win seasons consecutively for the first time since the
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nineteen nineties.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Yeah, I was stunned by this move.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Now, you talk yourself into a lot of things, and
we've been saying for a while the NBA has gotten
kind of weird with their head coaches, especially championship coaches
or coaches have had success. But for whatever reason, man,
this is just the new norm. I guess yes, it's
it's it's silly. It's to me, it's a bad look
for the Knicks. And I mean I have to do
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is go back and research. Really Tom Thibodeau, and and
and every coach has his own faults. You know, Thibodeau
has taken a lot of grief over most of his
career for not really playing a lot of the bench,
not developing maybe some of the players that don't find
themselves in the rotation. He played five and six guys
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most of the year this year. Sound familiar anybody out there,
if you're if you're an NBA fan, But what he's
never been criticized for. I've never heard anybody that actually
knows basketball that doesn't come away and say that guy,
that guy can coach basketball. He knows basketball, He lives it,
it matters to him, he works at it. So, I mean,
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first time since two thousand and the Knicks have found
themselves in the Eastern Conference Finals.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
I mean, what are we doing? To me?
Speaker 4 (10:06):
It just shows either one or two things. Either either
there's a real disconnect between the Knicks front office and reality.
Because if they look at that Knicks, that current team
and say I mean, there's there's two ways to look
at it, right. I mean, this was the year because
it was Indiana, they'd already beaten Boston, So I think
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I think their front office more than likely looked at
this and said, hey, this this is our opportunity. We
got a chance to go to the finals right here
with this team because we're and we've already beaten Boston
and they also beat an up and coming Detroit team.
But either they looked at this and said, you know,
missed opportunity, or they are delusional they look at this
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team and say this team underachieved, which I would say,
maybe missed opportunity, but certainly not underachieved.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
Right.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
So, I mean, who's going to be the next coach
to the next isn't Michael Malone?
Speaker 3 (11:06):
A lot of people are speculating.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
I mean, to me, Michael Malone is very similar to
Tom Thibodeau, not quite quite as grumpy. Doesn't look like
he'd bit into a sour orange like all the time.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
But well towards heil end it felt like he got
a little.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
But he didn't have that perpetual look of agony on
his face.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Pinched face or whatever. Yeah, it was just Tibbs was.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
It was always like you had wrenched your low back
the previous day and you were just standing there with
that look on your face like that dude is in pain.
That's good, he's I wish we could see it like that,
he's in pain.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
So now I just thought, I thought, smiling guy, I
swear he's actually in a good mood.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
They're winning.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
I thought, not a good move by the Knicks.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
No, it didn't feel like that.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
But we got on the list Championship coaches, Coaches of
the Year. They're all off their teams like you get
one maybe two years post championship or success, and teams
are moving on. I mean that the new trend, and
we talked about this in respect to the Nuggets promoting
David Albumen, and the new trend is to promote one
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of your young, up and coming coaches because they're paying
him thirty million. You realize that he signed an extension
last year. Yeah, last year, three year contract extension through
twenty twenty seven, twenty eight. The reportedly guaranteed him thirty
million dollars and they're just like, yeah, we'd rather pay
you that money to not to coach our team.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Wow. I don't get it.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
I don't get it pretty wild and maybe maybe the
other thing I had two scenarios won the knickt front
office delusional and thought this was their chance too. Maybe
there's a disconnect of some sort with Tom Thibodeau and
either Jalen Brunson, I guess, or Kat. If there was
a disconnect with then I would think if you're a
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sound reasoning, if you're the front office, you're going to say,
you know, find a way to.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
Get over it or deal with it.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
If there's a disconnect with Brunson, and I don't know
that there is, but if there's a disconnect with him,
maybe maybe then you have just that factors into it.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
No big way.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
It's a player driven league. The NBA is a player
driven league.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
So yeah, if if your star player says I can't
be on the same page with this guy, then yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
It's one of the reasons why.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
We wondered when Michael Malone was fired if Nikola Yokic
had a bit of a hand in it. Now you
said you didn't believe, so I thought maybe there was
a little more there.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
The organization, of course, was going to protect him either way.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
But I believe that he was informed that that's what
they were doing. Yeah, I don't believe they went to
him and said, hey, what do you think we're thinking
about doing this? But if you don't, you know, you
don't like the idea, we don't really have.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
To do it.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Let me ask you this, if if Nikola Jokic would
have fought back in that moment, like let's let's just
play that out, maybe you're probably're probably right. They went
to him, said the decision has been made, We're going
to do this thing, and NICOLEA. Jokic says, absolutely not.
You're you're not firing him or else you can start
considering moving me on as well, because I want out
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as well.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
What do they do then?
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Hmmmm, Well, I think I think you probably have to
reconsider firing Michael Malone, Right, I think it has right,
But I think I think it's in the way that
it's presented.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
If it's presented in a way that.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Jokic really is is more or less the deciding vote,
and you know, you put him in it in a
really difficult position, and that might be one that propels
Jokic either way, to think about doing something else. As
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soon as this contract is up. So I think it
was presented to him in a way that took all
the pressure off him. Listen, I'm just giving you a
heads up. We're going to make a move on both
the GM and the head coach. It's going to be
announced tomorrow morning. I mean that's me factually stating something
to you. I'm giving you a courtesy call to let
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you know. Now, if you're Josh Kronki, you're also smart
enough to say, as you just mentioned, if the scenario
exists where he goes, well, oh no, no, no, no, no, wait,
I want to.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Talk about this.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
If there's big, big pushback, well then Kronky is smart
enough to say, Okay, let's sit down and talk about it.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
And so maybe that was part of the early reference
there to NICOLEA Jokicic, right, rather than letting him know
what the rest of the team yes, hey day.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Before Yeah, I don't think it was the day before,
but I do think it was before.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
So you give him that, not that you're going into
it the mindset of like, okay, if Nicola Jokic fights
back here. But I do wonder for Michael Malone and
we I think we speculated this a little bit after
he made his kind of digs Before the Oklahoma City
Thunder game. We talked about how maybe he thinks about
it as Nicola could have fought for me and didn't.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Could.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
I think that's plausible, right, And I think I would.
I mean, a reasonable person would say, yeah, yeah, I
could see where Malone might feel that way.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
I just don't think.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
I don't think that's the way it was presented to Jokic,
that's all.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Yeah, And you know what the finality of it, if
you're the Nuggets, you kind of just you were moving
the new direction.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
You're certainly excited about where you're going.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
But yeah, at the moment, I did wonder there for
Nicola Jokic what kind of role he could have potentially played.
We're gonna be in Rockport joining us here in about
ten minutes befoward to getting his thoughts. So this has
been a fascinating thing to watch. Last year, at this
exact time, Pro Football Focus, a lot of other websites
had the Broncos as the worst roster in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
You remember that, I do, Yeah, dead.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
Last you know what, I thought they were thirty first
out of thirty two.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Well maybe it a come out, but for PFF specifically,
they had them thirty two. All right, they were dead last.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Do you know where they are now for PFF as
far as the roster rankings, Uh, it's not last, I'll.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
Give you that. Yeah, I'm gonna say.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Sixteen, ninth, ninth, ninth, ninth best roster, fifth best in
the AFC.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
So this plays into my point. But I'm gonna, I'm gonna,
I'm gonna, as they say, lure you in. So what
exactly does that tell you? If Pro Football Focus ranked
the Broncos roster before the start of.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Last year, so there's largely returning by the way thirty seconds.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Yeah, yeah, and that just you know, as an aside,
there's not a lot of changes.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
What does that tell you that they're ranked ninth this year?
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Well, first of all, the PFF has no idea what
they're doing. That's I didn't say that.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
But you're much more you're much more of a loyal reader.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I do.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
I do tend to, although you know what, just very
quick side note, they had up until today JFM as
a New York Jets on multiple articles. They even put
out a screenshot today.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
They deleted it since because everybody killed him for it.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Of the best interior defensive line tandems at Quinn Williams
the JFM.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Oh my goodness, that's.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Where you as an intern, you probably don't get hired
on a regular basis.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
They said their interior defensive line rankings last week and
they still had them.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
As a Jets, that's bad as a Jets. It's been
a year.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
So what does it tell you other than that.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
It tells me that me, it tells me that they
underestimated the ability for these players to ascend to starting caliber,
to the levels. I mean, you take a look at
Nick Benito. It's just the defensive line for example. You know,
Zach Allen had a tremendous year. Nick Benito obviously had
a breakout, John Cooper had. I mean they had miss Formberg.
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You're missing the key, Okay, reason I'm just saying that.
One of the first things that says to me is
they underestimated our roster. That's what that's the first thing
is they underestimate because there's not a lot of name talent,
and so that you go, who the heck are these
guys like like major league remember, you know, like, yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
I don't even know these guys. That guy's dead. They
want let's scratch him off.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
Yeah, so that's that's I think they underestimated.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
I think the key reason that you see, you've seen
that number jump up, although I'm surprised to jump to nine,
was that they completely underestimated Bonnicks.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
They they they did not buy the Boenis hype train
when he was drafted that Bonnicks will be that guy.
So therefore the Broncos don't have that guy. And so
really all this other stuff's not really gonna matter, which
is true in the NFL. If you don't have a
quarterback's pretty pretty hard to win. But then that guy
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I emerged. Now, I do think the other ones, the
players you mentioned also play a factor in that, with
Zach Allen and Nick Benito, and I mean the offensive
line played played better.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
So yeah, ninth, huh okay.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
I mean, and again, I don't have much of an
argument against it. I think that there's a lot of optimism.
Not only did the and I think it was this
was a spow track that had this, but one of
those sites, eighty six percent of the roster's returning, and
then of course they've added with draft and free agency,
but eighty six of last year. Last year's roster is
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returning number one in the NFL. So it's not like
significant changes have happened. We've overhauled this thing and all
of a sudden there's a bunch of name talent that
everybody can glob onto.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
In fact, the.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Thing that continues to be I guess a beacon for
a lot of these national sites is ah, they still
don't have a wide receiver too. Well, once again they
showed that last year is the same receiving cores right,
adding Pat Bryant. I mean, and I guess last year
maybe you loved your frails. But more than anything, they've
added to the room very minimally.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
And here are the art nights. It's kind of fascinating thing.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Yeah, I mean, it's uh, it's something definitely to talk about.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
For sure, for sure, especially on June third. I kept,
all right, well, let's have beside. We have Ian Rappaport
coming up next. Well his thoughts on that, all sorts
of things around the NFL get.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
To it next, mister big stuff, will we introduced the end?
I like that?
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Yeah, that's pretty strong there, walk up song.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
He is not even old enough to remember, mister big Stuff.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Do you and do you know mister big Stuff?
Speaker 6 (21:35):
Oh yeah, that's a classic, of course.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Oh man, yeah, that's awesome, that's right, absolutely, so he
good to have you on. We start with a little
bit of like sarcastic humor. So Stefan Diggs, how many
coaches can you think of, just off the top of
your head that if this presence situation played out for them,
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that he would probably not be long for their respective organization.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
Well, I mean that's a problem though, because he's really
good and true, you know, I think was pretty good
for the Texans before his injury, should be really good
and really helpful. So it's the case you need him around, right,
So like whatever's going on, Look, you deal with things
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from players all the time, right and of course you
guys know, the better the player, the more you can
deal with sure, right, Yeah, Like I don't know what
it is. I really don't. I might have been a joke.
I mean, in fact that that kind of video became
public makes me wonder like how serious, which is because
it was so ridiculous, like literally like literally ridiculous. Yeah,
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but I don't know. We don't have enough information on
the Patriots to look it into it. The NFL has
not said they are looking into it. But he he's
someone you count on, He's someone you have paid, he's
someone you're going to continue to pay. So like generally,
these guys get a little more rope, and I would
expect that to be the case with the Patriots and
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Stefan Das.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
How surprised were you yesterday of the Frank ragnow retirement
news and consider.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Oh, sorry, we got you, We got your gut.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
You guys got me.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Yeah, yeah, we got you at that.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
This is something that I think has been in you know, consideration,
thought process wise, something he's been weighing for probably a
couple probably a couple of weeks. I think, you know,
the Lions have known about it. They have kind of
been aware of maybe where he's leaning. And look, it's
a seven year career. He's been one of the best
in the NFL's position. He's been one of the hard
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beats of that Lion's offensive lines. But he's been through
a lot. I mean, he really has. I mean, this
is the guy who has been injured a lot, has
played through a lot of injuries, has always been available,
has always been somebody you can count on. But that
comes at a cost, and you know, at a lines
drafted an interior offensive line and high this year sort
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of you know, to me knowing that his days might
be numbered. So I would say it's a surprise, but
maybe not a shock.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
The story about Shudoor Sanders with with Dion with coach
Prime coming out now in an interview and talking about
the report, the anonymous report from all that, yeah, whether
one or multiple UH front office people and accusing Chaudeur
of wearing headphones into the meeting and all sorts of
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things that you know, you just you don't want to
do if you're a player.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
Not even sure he did.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
But is there anything to be made of this from
the league standpoint?
Speaker 6 (24:58):
I think so, I really think so. It's that Shudor
Sanders did not have great guidance going into the draft process.
Memory he didn't hire an agent, and you know, you
can say what you want about agents. They've been there
before and part of the job is to make sure
players are ready, Okay, So I think it was clear
that Shagar was not ready for this process. You know,
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he there were times when he looked at least just
looked to the naked eye as someone who was a
little stand office at the combine, didn't seem to be around,
his teammates, didn't seem to lead. Meetings weren't great, he
did have headphones. Like all those things happened, I think
to Dion's point, and so, first of all, if he
had an agent, if he had some guidance, I don't
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think those would have been an issue. But to Dion's point,
like that has nothing to do with whether or not
he's going to be a good pro, right like he
has been through it. He has is someone who you know,
basically lived his life on camera thanks to Dion's reality shows,
is probably ready for his much smoke is anyone who's
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come out in a very long time will probably handle
himself in the lights as well as anyone could possibly imagine.
But these are two separate things. So like I personally,
just my opinion thinks Shad Door Sanders will be a
good pro. But I also think that the pre draft
process certainly did not go as well as he had hoped.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Last couple of questions here for you. Ian always appreciate
the time.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
So we were talking right before you came on about
PFF last year ranked the Broncos as the worst roster
in the NFL thirty second this year they have him
as ninth.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Is that, in your.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Opinion, a reflection more so about bo Nicks and maybe
the optimism surrounding him, or was that maybe in a
bit of a mission that some of the players on
this roster who are not name players, maybe they underestimated him.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
A little bit.
Speaker 6 (26:47):
Yeah, probably the second And now I will say this
like a lot and we've talked of this, but a
lot of the optimism around the Broncos is surrounding bo
Nicks and Sean Payne together. Right. But it's a weird
thing that happens in the NFL. Right, it happens every year.
You get to February and March and players who are
big name players get cut and everybody loses their mind.
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How in the world is the team going to compete
without X player? And then they put in some other
guy and you're like, wow, this is obviously a huge downgrade.
And then some other guy plays and you're like wow,
Like he's a you know, third year edge who has
a pick six in a big moment and has a
bunch of sacks, and maybe he's someone who is really good.
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I mean, we can build around in the future, you
know what I mean. So I think that's just natural
where we don't know, you know, the players we haven't
heard of, we sort of tend to downgrade.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
But I think the.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
Broncos showed a lot last year. I think the really
really really well coached, which will help them take advantage
of their personnel. And you know, I think they're going
to be just as good as last year, or maybe better.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Always appreciate it. Ian, Thank you so much, man.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
Thanks guys, thinking all right, Thanks Ian, all right.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Ian Rappaport, who's powered by Chevron.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
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and safely delivering affordable, reliable, ever cleaner energy. I think
that he said there is it is multiple layers there,
but the fact that you hit on the quarterback, it's
going to make a lot of people better around you.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
Yeah, of course.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
And I do think what he said about Bonex and
Sean Payton. I think after seeing that combination together for
a year, it would be reasonable to think, like, Okay,
they're going to be a little bit better this year
because they're gonna they're going to know each other, They're
going to know what each the other guy likes and
what he's good at, and so I I just think
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there are a lot of great things right on the
horizon for the Broncos.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
Did I read?
Speaker 4 (28:43):
I was thinking about this and then I said, I'm
not going to ask Ian that. Did I read that
ESPN is going to buy the NFIL network.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
I've heard that. Yeah, I've heard.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
I think I Mania grant. Have you seen let's seef
we can find that. I can't remember. I can't remember
where a red it was online somewhere, And I'm thinking, okay,
is this anymore? You can't tell if it's a real
story or not a real story. Right, you're reading something,
It's like, okay, is this legit? Is this really gonna happen?
I mean, the NFL network, most people know, is owned
by the NFL. It's owned by the thirty two NFL owners.
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ESPN obviously is in the programming department.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
They're looking for programming.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
As as is every other outlet radio, TV network, what whatever.
But when I saw that, I'm like, hmm, how how
would that? How would that make sense? It would make
sense if if you made a buttload of money. Sure,
Other than that, from the NFL's standpoint, how would that
make sense.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
I doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I
don't know if Grant has found anything on there.
Speaker 7 (29:45):
Per Pro Football Talk, it says the NFL ESPN acquisition
of NFL Media is progressing and will happen one of
these days. A deal was close to being done last offseason.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
Wow, huh okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
By the way, I don't know if you saw I
love Charles Parkley his interview with Dan Patrick yesterday. He
was talking about the acquisition, ESPN's acquisition of Inside the NBA.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Yeah, and he was.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Dan's like trying to grill him for information, Well, okay,
what's going to look like?
Speaker 3 (30:13):
And he's like, I really don't know.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
He said that they taped like like a pilot or
some kind of thing the other day and they said
it was just absolute garbage, terrible.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
He said that they're actually.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Going to be sharing time on both T and T
and on ESPN, and he's like, on ESPN, we're actually
a third of their coverage, so we're not even going
to be the primary coverage.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
He's like, I have no idea what any of it's
going to look like.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
And it's just in the end, it's a bit of
a bummer because, as we've talked about multiple times, it's
one of the stronger shows out there.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
It's I think what makes the show that the characters
on the show and their ability to get into stuff
that the casual fan can can find amusing or can
it resonates. The content will resonate because it's not all
It's not all basketball now. I mean some of their
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funniest stuff is has nothing to do with the NBA. Right,
But one of the biggest differences I think from the
TNT to the ESPN broadcast will be ESPN is pretty
regimented in terms of breaks, right T and T. I
mean they if they get rolling. We've seen segments of
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that show go fourteen to fifteen minutes. I promise you
won't see any of the I don't. I can't promise you,
but I doubt very seriously, you're going to see a
fifteen minute segment on ESPN on the postgame show of
an NBA game.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
He said that for T and T, they're not going
to have the rights to air any of the clips
or anything. He's like, so it's just going to be
us talking, And he's like, it'll be during games. So
people will have to like ditch out and watching games
to watch us on TNT. He's like, I don't know
how they expect that's gonna happened. But he's like, they
don't own the rights. It's like almost like a Manning cast.
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Kind of like a Manning cast, but he didn't want
to call it that, but he's like, it's kind of
like that where you just need to go watch watch
the game with them, but they can't actually wear highlights.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
It's going to be weird.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
We're talking right before we came on.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
We have Rockies Baseball coming here at the top of
the hour, that Jim Marshall passed away at the age
of eighty seven.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
I didn't realize he was eighty seven. Yeah, he was.
I mean I remember watching him as a kid.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
I also, I didn't realize till until we saw the story.
Played nineteen seasons at defensive end. That's remarkable. He started
every single game, two hundred and seventy games, never missed
one game his entire career. Not in the Hall of Fame,
which is oh, I didn't realize that either.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Not in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 6 (32:53):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Yeah, one hundred and what one hundred and twenty seven sacks.
Speaker 5 (32:58):
Yeah, it's too bad.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Yeah, I mean you're talking about you know, he's part
of the Ring of Honor there from Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
I mean you, I mean you look at the accolades.
I mean, my goodness, I mean.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Especially when you you the NFL champion, three time second
team All Pro, two time Pro bowler, one of the
fifty greatest Vikings of all time, as part of the
Purple People leaders. So I mean, certainly with all that
and then the fact that he was an iron man
like that as well, Yeah, that's a bit stunning, uh
there for that, but that's that's tough news there for
Jim Marshall. Certainly a how of the player a little
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before my time, but none know the player for sure.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Great great job as always. Rockies baseball coming up next day.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
We'll see you tomorrow three, my friends. Looking forward to it.
Rockies versus Marlins. We'll be back to mar three on
k o A.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
The long Ball.
Pitch is grounded up the middle estrata to our seer
for one, I'm the first for a double play, and
the Rockies start the series here in Florida with a win.
They stop an eighth game skid as they rally and
beat the Marlins six to four.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Dave Logan and I the only ones in the studio
on the show.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
In the sports department.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
We called this, Dave, we said the Rockies were gonna
win last night, and they did.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
I think I think you're safe to say, Ryan, only
two in the sports community.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
You're right. I didn't want to like throw them under
the bus.
Speaker 5 (00:40):
Did to like in in the market.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
No, I don't know, man, because Nick had been picked
against them, like they all I know. Yeah, no, So,
although I'm not sure we should celebrate too much picking
a team that just won their tenth game of the
season against fifty losses, but hey, you know what, you
and I have talked about this before. Important in one's life,
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especially as you become more seasons to strive for what
we call small victories, and that was one last night.
It was a small victory, yes, because this is the thing,
like you don't have to go overboard and say that it.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Like go from the show with cooling the gang celebration
sort of overboard.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
That's why I said it feels a little sarcastic, but
I appreciate the irony of it, and and I think
in this case, yeah, you and I who continue to
root for the Rockies, where as you mentioned, many others
around town are openly against.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Are they really seriously are they doing that? I mean, listen,
we all acknowledge this has been horrible baseball, right, but
are there people openly rooting for the Rockies to lou
so that they can what break a record?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I guess well, I mean I would let them speak
for themselves. But basically, what I've heard slash red online
is in their belief that if the Rockies become the
worst baseball team of all time with this record this season,
that it will lead to substantive, substantive change.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
I see, I don't even know if that's I'm not
even sure that's a guarantee either. If that were a guarantee,
I mean, if you could get into the head of
Dick Monford and you could find evidence that he's already
come to the conclusion that if the Rocky's finished with
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the worst record in the history of modern day baseball.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
He's gonna blow up everything.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
It's gonna be a new GM, it's gonna be there's
gonna be new everything. Okay, then, honestly, at this point,
at ten and fifty, I could probably get behind them
setting that mark.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
One hundred percent with you if I knew for sure
that that would be the direction.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
That they go.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
But the problem is that's just not historically what they've done.
Even in bad seasons, they haven't blown things up. We
We'll just watched and we'll talk about in a monment.
The New York Knicks went to the Eastern Conference Finals.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
How about that?
Speaker 3 (03:06):
They made the playoffs four in the last five years.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Is the first Eastern Conference Finals appearance in twenty five years,
and they just fired their coach, Tom Thibodeau. Like now,
the NBA is a little bit of a different deal.
But my point here is that the Rockies, historically, they
don't make sweeping changes.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
They just don't.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
They.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
In fact, if they make changes at all, usually it's
just a reorganization or reshuffling of things, like, hey, you
know you were the GM, Now you're going to be
in charge of this department and we're gonna do it.
We're gonna bring somebody else into to have a fresh
look at the GM.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
But it's still internal.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Yeah, they have not really been a team that has
I think that maybe they would disagree with this because
I remember Dick, he didn't come on the broadcast and
opening day this year, not to say there's any correlation
with the fact that his club is now ten and fifty.
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I didn't think, and I said, I didn't think it
was a good move for the owner and not to
come on the flagship station for an interview. I stand
by that you have a lot. I have no power,
I know, just that zero power. But I you know,
I think if you look at what Dick has done
in the past since he's become the the I don't know,
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primary owner or whatever, what she said is exactly right.
I remember asking him a couple of years ago in
a season on the home opener about looking outside the organization,
and he indicated really that they had and that they
had interviewed outside.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
The organization with respect.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
To a GM, and the folks that they had interviewed
simply did not have any different ideas than ones that
they had already.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Had themselves, which that did you know that?
Speaker 4 (04:55):
The second we used to do a long long time
ago that said things that make you go hmm, and
that was one of them. I was like, really, but
so no, it has not been his style. I'm not
I'm not sure it'll be his style this time either.
But uh, you know the way in my little pea brain,
the Rockies are on a heater. They're on a one
game heater.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
That's right, and so we go for two in a
row tonight.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
You can chase the ale underback, that's right coming off.
I l yeah, he's available tonight. He's gonna be your
starting pitcher. And you're going up against Sandy Alcantara, who
has got like an eight plus.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
E r A.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
So ay man, I'm yeah, eight four seven. I'm I'm bullish,
I'm bullsh to. They're on a heater.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
They have not won too in a row all season.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Right, No, they have not. They have I'm just telling yeah,
is that.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Is that our show me the money question?
Speaker 3 (05:45):
I believe it is. I believe yep.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Then I do not intend to talk too much about
it because that information is worth a lot.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
But but but this is the thing and last thing
before we get to that portion. It's just that knowing
who they are and who they've been at least, I
just can't openly root for the demise of this thing
in a way that somehow it's going to pay off,
because then I think for those people that are openly
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saying like no, no, if they become the worst baseball team,
you know they will say the modern era. Last year,
forty one wins was the Chicago White Sox. So obviously
they have some ground to make up if they're going
to avoid that.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
But if if that's what you're rooting.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
For, and then your hope is somehow that that's going
to lead to a sale of the team or lead
to sweeping changes, I think you're fooling yourself, I think,
more than anything. And it also depends on and I
was talking with a couple of the Broncos beat last night.
When it's that passer tans event, it also depends on
how they finished the season too, because if they all
of a sudden win, I don't know a handful of
games there in September as they're closed it out of
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the season a three.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
Game winning streak.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Okay, I just want to make sure that I understood
completely what your thought.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yeah, if they sweep their last series. I don't even
know if they sweep their last series. I can see
Dick Martfort saying, you know what, we're on the swing.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Well, they're one game away in this particular series, from
this three game series. It is, yeah, one game away,
one went away, either tonight or tomorrow from winning their
first series, uh and breaking a streak of twenty three
consecutive series losses, which I'm not even sure where that
ranks him in baseball history, but that's it's it's got
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to be up there.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
It's got to be up there.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
No, So listen, hopefully they can, you feel like an idiot,
build on what they did last night, and win a game.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I remember when Dick Montfort said that to you, by
the way, when he was like, oh.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Yeah, we actually did talk to people. He didn't like
their answers.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Yeah, so I said, he said their answers, He said,
they had they gave us nothing that we hadn't already
thought of.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
That's another word.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
They didn't come to the table with any new fresh
ideas that we were like, oh, you know, we hadn't
thought about that, So therefore let's consider that. Guy and
I don't know who that guy was. He didn't get into,
you know, the two people that he had interviewed. But
here are we sitting Ryan.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
On a heater on a heater, one in a row,
one foot front of the other.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
Nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
When this series sweeped this series and.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
That what happened, you know what you have to You
have to win one in order to win two in
a row.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Thank you, Yes, one hundred percent. So I did mention
Tom Tibodau. I do want to talk for a moment
about that. The Knicks today in a bit of a stunner.
I think for a lot of people mentioned the first
time twenty five years per Shan Sharania, that the Knicks
made it to the Eastern Conference finals. They've made the
playoffs four in the last five years, and they fifty
plus win seasons consecutively for the first time since the
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nineteen nineties.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Yeah, I was stunned by this move.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Now, you talk yourself into a lot of things, and
we've been saying for a while the NBA has gotten
kind of weird with their head coaches, especially championship coaches
or coaches have had success. But for whatever reason, man,
this is just the new norm. I guess yes, it's
it's it's silly. It's to me, it's a bad look
for the Knicks. And I mean I have to do
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is go back and research. Really Tom Thibodeau, and and
and every coach has his own faults. You know, Thibodeau
has taken a lot of grief over most of his
career for not really playing a lot of the bench,
not developing maybe some of the players that don't find
themselves in the rotation. He played five and six guys
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most of the year this year. Sound familiar anybody out there,
if you're if you're an NBA fan, But what he's
never been criticized for. I've never heard anybody that actually
knows basketball that doesn't come away and say that guy,
that guy can coach basketball. He knows basketball, He lives it,
it matters to him, he works at it. So, I mean,
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first time since two thousand and the Knicks have found
themselves in the Eastern Conference Finals.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
I mean, what are we doing? To me?
Speaker 4 (10:06):
It just shows either one or two things. Either either
there's a real disconnect between the Knicks front office and reality.
Because if they look at that Knicks, that current team
and say I mean, there's there's two ways to look
at it, right. I mean, this was the year because
it was Indiana, they'd already beaten Boston, So I think
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I think their front office more than likely looked at
this and said, hey, this this is our opportunity. We
got a chance to go to the finals right here
with this team because we're and we've already beaten Boston
and they also beat an up and coming Detroit team.
But either they looked at this and said, you know,
missed opportunity, or they are delusional they look at this
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team and say this team underachieved, which I would say,
maybe missed opportunity, but certainly not underachieved.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
Right.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
So, I mean, who's going to be the next coach
to the next isn't Michael Malone?
Speaker 3 (11:06):
A lot of people are speculating.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
I mean, to me, Michael Malone is very similar to
Tom Thibodeau, not quite quite as grumpy. Doesn't look like
he'd bit into a sour orange like all the time.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
But well towards heil end it felt like he got
a little.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
But he didn't have that perpetual look of agony on
his face.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Pinched face or whatever. Yeah, it was just Tibbs was.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
It was always like you had wrenched your low back
the previous day and you were just standing there with
that look on your face like that dude is in pain.
That's good, he's I wish we could see it like that,
he's in pain.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
So now I just thought, I thought, smiling guy, I
swear he's actually in a good mood.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
They're winning.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
I thought, not a good move by the Knicks.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
No, it didn't feel like that.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
But we got on the list Championship coaches, Coaches of
the Year. They're all off their teams like you get
one maybe two years post championship or success, and teams
are moving on. I mean that the new trend, and
we talked about this in respect to the Nuggets promoting
David Albumen, and the new trend is to promote one
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of your young, up and coming coaches because they're paying
him thirty million. You realize that he signed an extension
last year. Yeah, last year, three year contract extension through
twenty twenty seven, twenty eight. The reportedly guaranteed him thirty
million dollars and they're just like, yeah, we'd rather pay
you that money to not to coach our team.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Wow. I don't get it.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
I don't get it pretty wild and maybe maybe the
other thing I had two scenarios won the knickt front
office delusional and thought this was their chance too. Maybe
there's a disconnect of some sort with Tom Thibodeau and
either Jalen Brunson, I guess, or Kat. If there was
a disconnect with then I would think if you're a
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sound reasoning, if you're the front office, you're going to say,
you know, find a way to.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
Get over it or deal with it.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
If there's a disconnect with Brunson, and I don't know
that there is, but if there's a disconnect with him,
maybe maybe then you have just that factors into it.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
No big way.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
It's a player driven league. The NBA is a player
driven league.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
So yeah, if if your star player says I can't
be on the same page with this guy, then yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
It's one of the reasons why.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
We wondered when Michael Malone was fired if Nikola Yokic
had a bit of a hand in it. Now you
said you didn't believe, so I thought maybe there was
a little more there.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
The organization, of course, was going to protect him either way.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
But I believe that he was informed that that's what
they were doing. Yeah, I don't believe they went to
him and said, hey, what do you think we're thinking
about doing this? But if you don't, you know, you
don't like the idea, we don't really have.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
To do it.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Let me ask you this, if if Nikola Jokic would
have fought back in that moment, like let's let's just
play that out, maybe you're probably're probably right. They went
to him, said the decision has been made, We're going
to do this thing, and NICOLEA. Jokic says, absolutely not.
You're you're not firing him or else you can start
considering moving me on as well, because I want out
(14:19):
as well.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
What do they do then?
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Hmmmm, Well, I think I think you probably have to
reconsider firing Michael Malone, Right, I think it has right,
But I think I think it's in the way that
it's presented.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
If it's presented in a way that.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Jokic really is is more or less the deciding vote,
and you know, you put him in it in a
really difficult position, and that might be one that propels
Jokic either way, to think about doing something else. As
(15:00):
soon as this contract is up. So I think it
was presented to him in a way that took all
the pressure off him. Listen, I'm just giving you a
heads up. We're going to make a move on both
the GM and the head coach. It's going to be
announced tomorrow morning. I mean that's me factually stating something
to you. I'm giving you a courtesy call to let
(15:21):
you know. Now, if you're Josh Kronki, you're also smart
enough to say, as you just mentioned, if the scenario
exists where he goes, well, oh no, no, no, no, no, wait,
I want to.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Talk about this.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
If there's big, big pushback, well then Kronky is smart
enough to say, Okay, let's sit down and talk about it.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
And so maybe that was part of the early reference
there to NICOLEA Jokicic, right, rather than letting him know
what the rest of the team yes, hey day.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Before Yeah, I don't think it was the day before,
but I do think it was before.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
So you give him that, not that you're going into
it the mindset of like, okay, if Nicola Jokic fights
back here. But I do wonder for Michael Malone and
we I think we speculated this a little bit after
he made his kind of digs Before the Oklahoma City
Thunder game. We talked about how maybe he thinks about
it as Nicola could have fought for me and didn't.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Could.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
I think that's plausible, right, And I think I would.
I mean, a reasonable person would say, yeah, yeah, I
could see where Malone might feel that way.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
I just don't think.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
I don't think that's the way it was presented to Jokic,
that's all.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Yeah, And you know what the finality of it, if
you're the Nuggets, you kind of just you were moving
the new direction.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
You're certainly excited about where you're going.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
But yeah, at the moment, I did wonder there for
Nicola Jokic what kind of role he could have potentially played.
We're gonna be in Rockport joining us here in about
ten minutes befoward to getting his thoughts. So this has
been a fascinating thing to watch. Last year, at this
exact time, Pro Football Focus, a lot of other websites
had the Broncos as the worst roster in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
You remember that, I do, Yeah, dead.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
Last you know what, I thought they were thirty first
out of thirty two.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Well maybe it a come out, but for PFF specifically,
they had them thirty two. All right, they were dead last.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Do you know where they are now for PFF as
far as the roster rankings, Uh, it's not last, I'll.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
Give you that. Yeah, I'm gonna say.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Sixteen, ninth, ninth, ninth, ninth best roster, fifth best in
the AFC.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
So this plays into my point. But I'm gonna, I'm gonna,
I'm gonna, as they say, lure you in. So what
exactly does that tell you? If Pro Football Focus ranked
the Broncos roster before the start of.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Last year, so there's largely returning by the way thirty seconds.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Yeah, yeah, and that just you know, as an aside,
there's not a lot of changes.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
What does that tell you that they're ranked ninth this year?
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Well, first of all, the PFF has no idea what
they're doing. That's I didn't say that.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
But you're much more you're much more of a loyal reader.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I do.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
I do tend to, although you know what, just very
quick side note, they had up until today JFM as
a New York Jets on multiple articles. They even put
out a screenshot today.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
They deleted it since because everybody killed him for it.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Of the best interior defensive line tandems at Quinn Williams
the JFM.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Oh my goodness, that's.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Where you as an intern, you probably don't get hired
on a regular basis.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
They said their interior defensive line rankings last week and
they still had them.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
As a Jets, that's bad as a Jets. It's been
a year.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
So what does it tell you other than that.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
It tells me that me, it tells me that they
underestimated the ability for these players to ascend to starting caliber,
to the levels. I mean, you take a look at
Nick Benito. It's just the defensive line for example. You know,
Zach Allen had a tremendous year. Nick Benito obviously had
a breakout, John Cooper had. I mean they had miss Formberg.
(19:03):
You're missing the key, Okay, reason I'm just saying that.
One of the first things that says to me is
they underestimated our roster. That's what that's the first thing
is they underestimate because there's not a lot of name talent,
and so that you go, who the heck are these
guys like like major league remember, you know, like, yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
I don't even know these guys. That guy's dead. They
want let's scratch him off.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
Yeah, so that's that's I think they underestimated.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
I think the key reason that you see, you've seen
that number jump up, although I'm surprised to jump to nine,
was that they completely underestimated Bonnicks.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
They they they did not buy the Boenis hype train
when he was drafted that Bonnicks will be that guy.
So therefore the Broncos don't have that guy. And so
really all this other stuff's not really gonna matter, which
is true in the NFL. If you don't have a
quarterback's pretty pretty hard to win. But then that guy
(20:00):
I emerged. Now, I do think the other ones, the
players you mentioned also play a factor in that, with
Zach Allen and Nick Benito, and I mean the offensive
line played played better.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
So yeah, ninth, huh okay.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
I mean, and again, I don't have much of an
argument against it. I think that there's a lot of optimism.
Not only did the and I think it was this
was a spow track that had this, but one of
those sites, eighty six percent of the roster's returning, and
then of course they've added with draft and free agency,
but eighty six of last year. Last year's roster is
(20:34):
returning number one in the NFL. So it's not like
significant changes have happened. We've overhauled this thing and all
of a sudden there's a bunch of name talent that
everybody can glob onto.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
In fact, the.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Thing that continues to be I guess a beacon for
a lot of these national sites is ah, they still
don't have a wide receiver too. Well, once again they
showed that last year is the same receiving cores right,
adding Pat Bryant. I mean, and I guess last year
maybe you loved your frails. But more than anything, they've
added to the room very minimally.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
And here are the art nights. It's kind of fascinating thing.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Yeah, I mean, it's uh, it's something definitely to talk about.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
For sure, for sure, especially on June third. I kept,
all right, well, let's have beside. We have Ian Rappaport
coming up next. Well his thoughts on that, all sorts
of things around the NFL get.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
To it next, mister big stuff, will we introduced the end?
I like that?
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Yeah, that's pretty strong there, walk up song.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
He is not even old enough to remember, mister big Stuff.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Do you and do you know mister big Stuff?
Speaker 6 (21:35):
Oh yeah, that's a classic, of course.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Oh man, yeah, that's awesome, that's right, absolutely, so he
good to have you on. We start with a little
bit of like sarcastic humor. So Stefan Diggs, how many
coaches can you think of, just off the top of
your head that if this presence situation played out for them,
(22:04):
that he would probably not be long for their respective organization.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
Well, I mean that's a problem though, because he's really
good and true, you know, I think was pretty good
for the Texans before his injury, should be really good
and really helpful. So it's the case you need him around, right,
So like whatever's going on, Look, you deal with things
(22:32):
from players all the time, right and of course you
guys know, the better the player, the more you can
deal with sure, right, Yeah, Like I don't know what
it is. I really don't. I might have been a joke.
I mean, in fact that that kind of video became
public makes me wonder like how serious, which is because
it was so ridiculous, like literally like literally ridiculous. Yeah,
(22:53):
but I don't know. We don't have enough information on
the Patriots to look it into it. The NFL has
not said they are looking into it. But he he's
someone you count on, He's someone you have paid, he's
someone you're going to continue to pay. So like generally,
these guys get a little more rope, and I would
expect that to be the case with the Patriots and
(23:13):
Stefan Das.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
How surprised were you yesterday of the Frank ragnow retirement
news and consider.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Oh, sorry, we got you, We got your gut.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
You guys got me.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Yeah, yeah, we got you at that.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
This is something that I think has been in you know, consideration,
thought process wise, something he's been weighing for probably a
couple probably a couple of weeks. I think, you know,
the Lions have known about it. They have kind of
been aware of maybe where he's leaning. And look, it's
a seven year career. He's been one of the best
in the NFL's position. He's been one of the hard
(23:55):
beats of that Lion's offensive lines. But he's been through
a lot. I mean, he really has. I mean, this
is the guy who has been injured a lot, has
played through a lot of injuries, has always been available,
has always been somebody you can count on. But that
comes at a cost, and you know, at a lines
drafted an interior offensive line and high this year sort
(24:16):
of you know, to me knowing that his days might
be numbered. So I would say it's a surprise, but
maybe not a shock.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
The story about Shudoor Sanders with with Dion with coach
Prime coming out now in an interview and talking about
the report, the anonymous report from all that, yeah, whether
one or multiple UH front office people and accusing Chaudeur
of wearing headphones into the meeting and all sorts of
(24:45):
things that you know, you just you don't want to
do if you're a player.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
Not even sure he did.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
But is there anything to be made of this from
the league standpoint?
Speaker 6 (24:58):
I think so, I really think so. It's that Shudor
Sanders did not have great guidance going into the draft process.
Memory he didn't hire an agent, and you know, you
can say what you want about agents. They've been there
before and part of the job is to make sure
players are ready, Okay, So I think it was clear
that Shagar was not ready for this process. You know,
(25:18):
he there were times when he looked at least just
looked to the naked eye as someone who was a
little stand office at the combine, didn't seem to be around,
his teammates, didn't seem to lead. Meetings weren't great, he
did have headphones. Like all those things happened, I think
to Dion's point, and so, first of all, if he
had an agent, if he had some guidance, I don't
(25:40):
think those would have been an issue. But to Dion's point,
like that has nothing to do with whether or not
he's going to be a good pro, right like he
has been through it. He has is someone who you know,
basically lived his life on camera thanks to Dion's reality shows,
is probably ready for his much smoke is anyone who's
(26:01):
come out in a very long time will probably handle
himself in the lights as well as anyone could possibly imagine.
But these are two separate things. So like I personally,
just my opinion thinks Shad Door Sanders will be a
good pro. But I also think that the pre draft
process certainly did not go as well as he had hoped.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Last couple of questions here for you. Ian always appreciate
the time.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
So we were talking right before you came on about
PFF last year ranked the Broncos as the worst roster
in the NFL thirty second this year they have him
as ninth.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Is that, in your.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Opinion, a reflection more so about bo Nicks and maybe
the optimism surrounding him, or was that maybe in a
bit of a mission that some of the players on
this roster who are not name players, maybe they underestimated him.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
A little bit.
Speaker 6 (26:47):
Yeah, probably the second And now I will say this
like a lot and we've talked of this, but a
lot of the optimism around the Broncos is surrounding bo
Nicks and Sean Payne together. Right. But it's a weird
thing that happens in the NFL. Right, it happens every year.
You get to February and March and players who are
big name players get cut and everybody loses their mind.
(27:07):
How in the world is the team going to compete
without X player? And then they put in some other
guy and you're like, wow, this is obviously a huge downgrade.
And then some other guy plays and you're like wow,
Like he's a you know, third year edge who has
a pick six in a big moment and has a
bunch of sacks, and maybe he's someone who is really good.
(27:30):
I mean, we can build around in the future, you
know what I mean. So I think that's just natural
where we don't know, you know, the players we haven't
heard of, we sort of tend to downgrade.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
But I think the.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
Broncos showed a lot last year. I think the really
really really well coached, which will help them take advantage
of their personnel. And you know, I think they're going
to be just as good as last year, or maybe better.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Always appreciate it. Ian, Thank you so much, man.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
Thanks guys, thinking all right, Thanks Ian, all right.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Ian Rappaport, who's powered by Chevron.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Chevron the human energy company, committed to our local communities
and safely delivering affordable, reliable, ever cleaner energy. I think
that he said there is it is multiple layers there,
but the fact that you hit on the quarterback, it's
going to make a lot of people better around you.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
Yeah, of course.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
And I do think what he said about Bonex and
Sean Payton. I think after seeing that combination together for
a year, it would be reasonable to think, like, Okay,
they're going to be a little bit better this year
because they're gonna they're going to know each other, They're
going to know what each the other guy likes and
what he's good at, and so I I just think
(28:38):
there are a lot of great things right on the
horizon for the Broncos.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
Did I read?
Speaker 4 (28:43):
I was thinking about this and then I said, I'm
not going to ask Ian that. Did I read that
ESPN is going to buy the NFIL network.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
I've heard that. Yeah, I've heard.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
I think I Mania grant. Have you seen let's seef
we can find that. I can't remember. I can't remember
where a red it was online somewhere, And I'm thinking, okay,
is this anymore? You can't tell if it's a real
story or not a real story. Right, you're reading something,
It's like, okay, is this legit? Is this really gonna happen?
I mean, the NFL network, most people know, is owned
by the NFL. It's owned by the thirty two NFL owners.
(29:18):
ESPN obviously is in the programming department.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
They're looking for programming.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
As as is every other outlet radio, TV network, what whatever.
But when I saw that, I'm like, hmm, how how
would that? How would that make sense? It would make
sense if if you made a buttload of money. Sure,
Other than that, from the NFL's standpoint, how would that
make sense.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
I doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I
don't know if Grant has found anything on there.
Speaker 7 (29:45):
Per Pro Football Talk, it says the NFL ESPN acquisition
of NFL Media is progressing and will happen one of
these days. A deal was close to being done last offseason.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
Wow, huh okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
By the way, I don't know if you saw I
love Charles Parkley his interview with Dan Patrick yesterday. He
was talking about the acquisition, ESPN's acquisition of Inside the NBA.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Yeah, and he was.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Dan's like trying to grill him for information, Well, okay,
what's going to look like?
Speaker 3 (30:13):
And he's like, I really don't know.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
He said that they taped like like a pilot or
some kind of thing the other day and they said
it was just absolute garbage, terrible.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
He said that they're actually.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Going to be sharing time on both T and T
and on ESPN, and he's like, on ESPN, we're actually
a third of their coverage, so we're not even going
to be the primary coverage.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
He's like, I have no idea what any of it's
going to look like.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
And it's just in the end, it's a bit of
a bummer because, as we've talked about multiple times, it's
one of the stronger shows out there.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
It's I think what makes the show that the characters
on the show and their ability to get into stuff
that the casual fan can can find amusing or can
it resonates. The content will resonate because it's not all
It's not all basketball now. I mean some of their
(31:06):
funniest stuff is has nothing to do with the NBA. Right,
But one of the biggest differences I think from the
TNT to the ESPN broadcast will be ESPN is pretty
regimented in terms of breaks, right T and T. I
mean they if they get rolling. We've seen segments of
(31:27):
that show go fourteen to fifteen minutes. I promise you
won't see any of the I don't. I can't promise you,
but I doubt very seriously, you're going to see a
fifteen minute segment on ESPN on the postgame show of
an NBA game.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
He said that for T and T, they're not going
to have the rights to air any of the clips
or anything. He's like, so it's just going to be
us talking, And he's like, it'll be during games. So
people will have to like ditch out and watching games
to watch us on TNT. He's like, I don't know
how they expect that's gonna happened. But he's like, they
don't own the rights. It's like almost like a Manning cast.
(32:04):
Kind of like a Manning cast, but he didn't want
to call it that, but he's like, it's kind of
like that where you just need to go watch watch
the game with them, but they can't actually wear highlights.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
It's going to be weird.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
We're talking right before we came on.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
We have Rockies Baseball coming here at the top of
the hour, that Jim Marshall passed away at the age
of eighty seven.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
I didn't realize he was eighty seven. Yeah, he was.
I mean I remember watching him as a kid.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
I also, I didn't realize till until we saw the story.
Played nineteen seasons at defensive end. That's remarkable. He started
every single game, two hundred and seventy games, never missed
one game his entire career. Not in the Hall of Fame,
which is oh, I didn't realize that either.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Not in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 6 (32:53):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Yeah, one hundred and what one hundred and twenty seven sacks.
Speaker 5 (32:58):
Yeah, it's too bad.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Yeah, I mean you're talking about you know, he's part
of the Ring of Honor there from Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
I mean you, I mean you look at the accolades.
I mean, my goodness, I mean.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Especially when you you the NFL champion, three time second
team All Pro, two time Pro bowler, one of the
fifty greatest Vikings of all time, as part of the
Purple People leaders. So I mean, certainly with all that
and then the fact that he was an iron man
like that as well, Yeah, that's a bit stunning, uh
there for that, but that's that's tough news there for
Jim Marshall. Certainly a how of the player a little
(33:28):
before my time, but none know the player for sure.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Great great job as always. Rockies baseball coming up next day.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
We'll see you tomorrow three, my friends. Looking forward to it.
Rockies versus Marlins. We'll be back to mar three on
k o A.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
The long Ball.
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