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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Dave Logan, Ryan Edward Shelby Harris back from Italy Mandatory
Mini campus ce or what's up man.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Man, Happy to be back with my guys.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Man, Yeah, we appreciate you, man, I appreciate you, you know,
schlepping your way down here to the studio, you know,
all around the world, Italy.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Cleveland International shew, I guess that's about it.
Speaker 4 (00:18):
International Shell, you know, all over Italy. For my daughter's
senior trip, we went over there and.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
It was cool.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
It was a really cool trip, just a real you know,
family trip. It was it was great. And then have
to go to Cleveland. You know that was why you
look at me when you say that, because you're.
Speaker 5 (00:34):
The only one in the room that knows how Cleveland Hey,
I love I love the fans. Yeah, but the weather,
my goodness, man.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
The fans are great, like Cleveland has, you know, some
of the best fans, because you have to be well,
how crappy the team has been over the last you know,
thirty years, Like you know, you have to you have
to be a real fan to still be a Cleveland
Browns fan. So the fans are great, it's just you
know Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Well, and sometimes you get on the highway and you
drive one hundred and one miles per hour.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
I mean, those things are gonna happen out there.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
One thing I will say about Cleveland is they had
extremely low speed limits every everywhere because you have to
The facility is on the west side. So that's country.
That's more suburban country area that.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
A country that is like high way what you talking about.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
Over by Olmsted Township?
Speaker 6 (01:22):
For like the facilities in Borea country, I.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Said, over by the facility. If you go a little
bit west of the west of the facility, you know,
it's a little country.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
If you go a little bit west of Denver, there's mountains, mountains.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
I live.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I live.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
I would say twelve minutes west of the facility. My
speed limit on my way to work is twenty five
miles an hour the whole way. No nothing high or
nothing less.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
You're ten and two twenty five the whole way.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
I'm more like just two. Honestly, I'd say, like seven
o'clock seven, Where do you live?
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Home? Township? How did how did you get out there?
You know it's called being married? Is that what it is?
Speaker 4 (02:09):
And your wife goes and starts looking at all his
houses it's really like a real like cookie cutter, yeah
type neighborhood like this, all the houses look, you know,
damn near you live in the burbs. One hundred percent
of question.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yeah, Well we're scary to be here with you. The
Rockies today, Dave, they didn't get to five. That's four
last night, No, that's four, but did not get to
five day gets the extra innings.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I was thinking about this earlier today. I want to
raise my expectations of the Rockies. I'm nervous about doing
something like that, but I'd like to raise my expectations, Dave.
When can I raise expectations about what the Rockies can
be this year?
Speaker 6 (02:46):
Well, since you you ended that question with two words
this year, what I was going to say is I
get really excited in spring training every single year. So
I think you can raise your expectations next March.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Next March, so I mean this year, whatever happens, it
happened to me.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
The rest of this.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
Year is Hey, let's let's see can they develop some
of these young guys. Do any of the young guys
take off and kind of give Rockies fans of which
we are hope for next year. But I don't have
any I don't have any expectations like, hey, this team
is going to battle their way back and you know
(03:29):
by the time this season's over, they're going to be
close close to five hundred.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I don't have that that of expectations.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Maybe what would your expectation?
Speaker 1 (03:41):
I want them to not be first of all, and
these are just in no particular order. I want them
to not be the worst team in baseball history.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
That is a that is a suck, that's an apetation.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
What else do you have?
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I'd like I'd like to see hints of promise from
multiple players that are going to be here.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Next year that we can all agree with that.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
What are good some of the bullpen guys.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Rights had so far? I mean pretty good year?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Yeah, look good?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
What else? What else?
Speaker 3 (04:16):
I'd like to see them close the season strong?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I meant, what does that mean? What does that mean you?
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Maybe you have a winning September.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
And the september they got they got you.
Speaker 6 (04:28):
Let's just say, let's say a winning september they got
you to fifty two wins? Would would tell you? I mean,
you'd be encouraged by that? Being question?
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Dathy Duck backflips throughout the studio. Come on, yes, come on, man.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
The only team they're going to cut they have a
chance of catching. I guess it's the White White Sox.
The White Sox. But then you can't even you know.
I love the optimism with the Rockies from but like
from the people around from the last couple of games.
But if you beat the Nationals and the Braves, who
are also under five hundred, but you did finish the
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series against the Giants, I can give you that.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Hey, listen, I'm not a Rockies hater.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
I want the Rockies to do good, but I'm not
gonna get caught up in like being excited. If they
have a winning September and it gives them to fifty
one wins, it's like, good God, Thankfully the season's over.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Can we focus on next season and what are y'all going.
Speaker 6 (05:23):
To do to make sure that this type thing doesn't
happen again?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
That would be where I'm at.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Well, I think the consensus amongst fans are, well, have
they done anything recently in the last couple of years
to elevate themselves, So what's going to change them? Just
because they're the worst team in baseball? They've been teetering
around the worst team in baseball the last couple of years.
So what changes the ownership's decision to finally invest in
the team from a roster standpoint.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Well, they do, I mean they do advice.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
You didn't even believe that with your chest when you
said that.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
But well, I mean because you're like, you're twenty first
and spending something like that.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I mean, they do invest.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
But the understanding has to be that this is a
draft and develop right, I mean, and maybe you can
make some trades, who knows. But for the most part,
you are a draft and developed kind of team. You
have to be, and if you're gonna have any kind
of success, it's gonna be from a lot of your
homegrown talent that includes pitching and maybe their fourth overall
pick coming up in the draft.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Well, I hate I know you guys always say this
whenever I come here, but always somehow, you know, move
it back to Milwaukee, don't. But if you the Rockies,
like you said, are kind of trying to do what
the Brewers do, you know what I mean? And the
Brewers have you know, they have a paid guy as
like you have Chris Bryant. We have Christian Yelich, you
know what I mean. And then you have a lot
of young talents. You're not fair, but you two former MVPs,
(06:42):
I know, but two former MVPs.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Those two in this play one day.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
That's right, What is actually still hitting home runs this moment?
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yeah, one today?
Speaker 4 (06:51):
No, but I think that you know, it's just it's
the same kind of they both do the same thing.
Whereas in like you, you you try to draft very
well and you try to have the young guys really
carry a lot of the load. And sometimes it works
or sometimes it doesn't, Like we say here, but it's
a tough situation. When you're a bottom half spending team
(07:16):
in MLB, you have to make you have to draft
very well, and you have to have to really when
you do pay somebody, you have to work.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
All right, let me ask you, Dave, what would give
you optimism?
Speaker 1 (07:27):
What would be something that you would be excited about
when you get to the end of the season, other
than the mercilessly it's mercifully it's over.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
What would be something that you're.
Speaker 6 (07:38):
The only thing that would give me any optimism whatsoever?
Is the development of some of these young dudes you
mentioned Hunter Goodman mean there's some there's some young players
here that you would like to see sort of take
that next step, and that's it. I don't care if
(07:59):
they have a great September because it's still the body
of work over one hundred and sixty two game schedule.
So I mean, to me, this is major League Baseball, right,
I mean, you're gonna ge judged over one hundred and
sixty two, not what you do in September, not what
you do necessarily in April. My hope is that they
(08:21):
don't win to the extent that would give those who
make decisions down there a real false hope, like yeah,
but I mean sort of like you laid out, Yeah,
but gosh, you know, we were five hundred and August
and we were four games above five hundred in September.
(08:42):
That to me is a losing mentality, and you can't
afford to have that if you're again Dick Montford, I
mean the guy Dick Montford, the guy that ultimately has
to make these decisions, and Bill Schmidtz to a lesser degree.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
So I didn't realize that you were in the camp
thinking that all the losing is going to mean something there.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
I don't realize losing.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
Should should be. I mean, I think you ought to
wallow in it. I think it ought to. It ought
to invade every pore of your body, and it ought
to do that like twenty four hours a day.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
And you're not You shouldn't. Humans.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
We all are prone to try to find something good
in just a bucket of dodo.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
But I would.
Speaker 6 (09:33):
Encourage and challenge Dick Monford not to do that to
the extent that you actually talk yourself into thinking, huh, well,
I know it was a horrible start, but there were
reasons and it was a pretty good ending, so.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
We're good. I just think that's that's that. It's not
going to cut it that.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
I just want to see the Rockies young guys like
you guys have been saying though, when you have a
team that's in the bottom of the standings, it's all
about senior young guys go out there and get better.
The issue is Tovar's hurt hasn't played. He's a young
guy that they are. You know, they paid him. He's
a guy that they depend on, and I.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
Think I think when he when he's healthy, he's he's
a really good young player.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
I first noticed him, and you know, you want to
hate this, but when I went to go watch the
Brewers versus the Rockies and he was killing the Brewers
and I was like, oh, who is this kid?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
He's a stud?
Speaker 4 (10:30):
And then he did it again the next night and
then he's he's just a he's a hell of a player.
You want to see Goodman really started like, you know,
just keep strong and keep going. But you got to
see Britain Doyle really step it up and start doing something.
He's hitting under the Mendoza line and it's just not
it's not viable for you know, the Rockies for him
to really be doing that bad because he's a guy
(10:50):
who before the season they were like, oh, are they
going to extend him or not?
Speaker 6 (10:54):
Well, he's an excellent defensive player, but he's a guy
that you know, we've seen him get hot from time
to time. But that's always been the question. I mean,
is he's a guy that is going to be a
gold glove outfielder. Is he a guy that is going
to be good enough at the plate that he can
be your guy in the outfield over you know, a
full season.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Oh no, no, no, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
And you're right, he's not. He's not had a great season.
He's been hurt as well, but that's not an excuse.
He's out there playing now and he could be better.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
He could better. There's a lot of guys that could
be better.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
There's a reason why the record is what it is
right now in seventeen wins.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
I mean, and you're gonna hate this, Dave so.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Well, then don't say they let me just keep it five.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Six zero coms, Okay, what is it?
Speaker 3 (11:40):
I have been enjoying the battle from this team. I I.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
And again it's a it's a oral victory conversation. I
know you absolutely hate that stuff. There there there you you.
Speaker 6 (11:51):
I would have bought in when you started and said,
I haven't been enjoying the battle from this team like period.
I have said, you know what, I agree with that,
but when you then lump it into moral victories, I
am out one thousand percent in professional sports.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
I'm out, like out fair.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Yeah that I should have stopped. Period.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
I've enjoyed that. Feel good. I'm looking battling too.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
I mean, I I they have been battling, and I
like that. I like the competitive thing. But you know what,
you're not the old phrase. I remember hearing it my
rookie year in the league. Had never thought about this
until the head coach said it. Let me just get
this straight and make sure you guys understand you were
not paid to play.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
You are paid to win. I'm like, huh.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
This whole time I thought I thought, I mean, I
thought I was just paid to play. But that's not
the case. And that's not the case with the Rockies either.
They're paid to win.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Well, you know, historically, you know, over bad teams, over
any sport, when you're this bad, a majority of the
team is out there next year. So when you're this bad,
these guys that we keep talking about, the core young guys,
they gotta go and and really cement themselves for next year.
Otherwise it's not a good look to be the DFAED
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from the Rockies like that. That's not a good look
around the league because obviously, you know, the Rockies are
the worst team in the league, So to get dfa'd
from the Rockies is not a good a good look.
So everybody on this roster has need to be on
high alert and play with some energy because the mob
career could be riding on this. I remember when in Denver,
all in the years, I always here when we were bad.
(13:33):
The whole thought about oh, like, oh, you guys want
to tanker on and that's I'm like, yo, it's people's
jobs on the line here, Like if you know, if
you don't fix it, you're gonna be considered part of
the problem. And so they're going to bring other people
in to take your job. And so the Britton Doyle's
although you gotta step it up, or there might be
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talks of, well, you might need to get another guy.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
You say that about tanking, because I I bristle in
any sport. Really, I know that there's some sports we've
talked about where you can as a general manager is
an organization, you can make some decisions. You can tell
the coach, hey, listen, you're gonna be fine, but we
need to maybe not play some of our best players.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Those kinds of things.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
I don't think we heard about the situation of Miami,
for example, when Steven Ross was trying to who is
that uh from Flora and Florian Flora is was.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Was going to pay him money to tank? If you will.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
As an addendum to that comment, it'll surprised you as
we sit here today, strike you how quickly that story dispared.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Yeah, oh, any time it's an owner or the integrity
of the league, that's not a player problem that they
can't play at the player and be like, hey, this
is you, like you need to fix this. But like, well,
just like how fast did the Robbitt crafting die?
Speaker 2 (14:56):
You know what i mean?
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Like we talked about it for a couple of weeks
and then never heard of it again. Now everyone's just
sitting there smiling with him like nothing happened. But then
every time ray Rice's name is thrown around, it's still
that same that same president. I'm just talking about the
media is coverage surrounding it, and now that ray Rice
(15:19):
is not at all like that's I'm not Rocky.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Craft didn't allegedly knock out his messuits, but.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
He didn't allegedly do anything. He did go and well no,
but I'm saying and that's what I'm just saying. I'm
just saying more about the idea. Well, really, the only
reason that ray Rice thing even blew up like this
is because the video came out because the NFL, if
we remember, the NFL went light on him, and then
that video came out and they tried to reverse course
and suspend him more so, let's not have like the
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NFL is all high nighty and it's either. So the
issue is though, you know, whenever it's a coach, whenever
it's an owner, those things kind of get swept under
the rug.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
But if it's a player, you're going to.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
Be on the front you know, on the front screen,
You're gonna be on TV all day and it's gonna
be blasting about what you just did.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I never really did hear.
Speaker 6 (16:05):
Honestly, if if anybody came to a conclusion about the
Stephen Ross, the allegations that Stephen Ross said to his
head coach or encouraged him to lose games down the stretch, well, you.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Know, publicly he came out and was like, oh, I'm
you know, never never was sad and anything like that.
But privately, probably a couple of NBA's were signed.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Well, the same thing with the emails, remember John Gruden emails.
Never really heard more on that. That kind of got
what we.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Were in court.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
So John Gruden has been in court against the NFL
and rats for.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
A long time, but that stuff has not come out,
not at all. So anyways, except for the stuff that
obviously made him look poor. He actually tweeted out a
video today because CSU sent a bunch of swag, which
was kind of cool. Actually, you know what, John Gruden
for all the other stuff I acted. I liked him
as a broadcaster. I liked him on Monday Night Football
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a lot. I liked his quarterback camps.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
And then big lipped Michelin, Big Michelin, tired lips.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
That's what he said about Boris Smith.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Yeah, that wasn't great.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
That was great. The dude, okay, not at all. Absolutely
should have gotten blasted. He lose lost his job as
a result of it. He's not back in the league.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
Welcome to our June Kenth broadcast. Mean, holy, I didn't
realize that was said. No, back to your original point,
I've I've enjoyed Gruden. I thought he was good in
TV and his quarterback series that he was doing.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
What do you do that for ESPN? The quarterback camps
or whatever?
Speaker 6 (17:44):
The Yeah, that was I mean, he was good at
He's a natural at that well.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Because he's entertaining and he actually he knows what he's
talking about and so you can't but he's very good
at portraying that on TV also, and so it's really
hard to communicate the other people that you like, your
knowledge for them to understand. And that's what John Gruden
was very good at. And that's really why you know,
it's crazy, isn't that crazy? Though? He was a great
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TV guy And yeah, I tell your name kind of
get into the you know, the loop of oh, maybe
he should be our head coach?
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Well, I mean you want it's a championship with Tampa
Bay too. Well, Doe's team we agree on that that
was Tony Dungeons team if he got traded there. It's
not like I mean, you know it was. I don't
even know what to say. We are off roll here
on a juneteenth edition of the program. As they've played,
we got all sorts of fun stuff to get to.
We'll get into game six some thoughts. It looks like
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Tyre's Halliburton is gonna play the night. We'll talk about
that coming up here in just a little bit. I
have a poll question up that you can check out
at our average Radio. Which of these Broncos is the
most to prove this upcoming season between Ufanga, Benito, be
Moss and Shelby's favorite bon Nicks. We'll get into that
conversation coming up in just a little bit, and appreciate
your roll this here, okay.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Away, what's their record now?
Speaker 6 (19:03):
Fifty Oh golly, you know, I look at it, seventeen
and fifty eight, seventeen and fifty eight.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
I look at it. You know what they've won for
the last five.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
I've looked at it as five of their last eight.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
I have like four of their last five. I'm winning
right now. To me, the Rockies are winning at an
eighty percent clip. What's five of eight this week? If
you just look at a little more than sixty sixty
a little extra?
Speaker 3 (19:31):
I mean, what a week they've had so far? They
actually here we go, Okay, we go.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
I want to hear and oranges for everybody.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
You want to frame this slices.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Listen, fellas, you know, starting on Sunday, if we go
all the way, they have a chance to not only
win the week, but maybe even dominate this week.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
You have Di'm back coming to town. They're kind of
a mixed bag here. The betterrow to lose today.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
That's all right, Billy.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
Listen, the last time you struck out, you know what
you did, even fall down?
Speaker 2 (20:01):
It's okay, you're getting better.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
I can't even push back about it.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
No, it's funny because like yesterday I had to take
my daughter to the track yesterday, and you mean you
got there to take your daughter to track and and
and he just sat there and cooking. Yes, I felt
bad for her about you know, she's you know, the
whole practice, she's doing everything she tells them to. Was
that at the end, they're playing Sharks and Meadows and
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I look and she's over here playing with flowers. And
so when I got home, she's she's like that is
we in the car? Say, daw do good enough to
get a toy? I said, are you serious?
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Just like that serious? Like did you not?
Speaker 5 (20:46):
I had to yell like like Evelyn get up, like
literally while they're playing this game.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
I had to yell Evely get up, like okay.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
But my whole thing is if you're going to do something,
you're gonna do it, and and we're gonna give all effort.
We're not going to sit there and just play around. No,
but the thing is in the whole yeah, dude, the
whole time though she was doing great the whole time.
Then I get to this game and she's like, if
I tell my wife that she's like, yes, she did
that on Monday too.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
I was like, why didn't you tell me this?
Speaker 3 (21:22):
You shouldn't have the compete.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yes, she does. She's actually very competitive.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
She's actually but like in like board games and stuff
like that, but like, yeah, she's actually very competitive. But
like that's the same thing. She's like, oh, well, I
deserve a twenty four this. I'm like, no, you don't,
not at all. I was like, you're lucky not in trouble.
If this happens again, I'm not gonna be happy with you.
And she's like, okay that, I'll make sure i'll do
it right next time.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
What if she was like a minnow and kept losing,
would you be like just as disappointed.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
No, as long as you're trying, it's all about the effort,
and it doesn't matter if you're good at it or
if you're bad at it. As long as you're trying.
Sent as a kid, that's all that matters. We can
work on that other stuff later, but you can't teach effort.
And so the biggest thing I'm just you know, run hard,
play hard.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
This is what I'm saying about the Rockies. See you,
we're on the same page.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
No, No, I'm talking to a six year old, not
a bunch of grown men getting paid millions of the
dollars to go play a sport.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
I just say, I just want to see effort. I
want to see fight, I want to see battling.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
So isn't that crazy I'm saying the same thing to
my six year old that you want us to say
to the Rockies. I just want to see effort. I
want to see fight. No, like Day said, we want
to see wins.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
I'm starting to think that you may be one of
the primary causes that field.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Day is the way it is now a field day.
Field day is trash.
Speaker 6 (22:42):
The fact that the fact that you just said what's
wrong with field day is exactly what's wrong with field day.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
Not competitive, well, it's just like hanging out now everybody
gets a ribbon.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Competitive is a sliding scale. You really shouldn't just are
not the same for every single person.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
You just want to see for every single because not
every person is built the same. You know, some people
are more aspects.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
I mean, they can't compete.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
They can't compete and they can try and and I think.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
We have everybody ribbons.
Speaker 6 (23:13):
Hang on, here's your wife, Colin.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
To let me know.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Last day, me just simply saying what's wrong with field Day?
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Yeah, he's gone. All right, Well that's fair, that's fair.
I did want to It's funny you mentioned board games.
I do want to get into Adrian Peterson and getting
in a fight on poker, But I want to wait
till Dave comes back for that game six tonight.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Tyres Haliburton is scheduled to play.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
But should he It just depends are you going to
play like how you did last game? It's pretty miserable
because last game barely you can move around, you know,
you definitely couldn't drive to the hoop, so you really
were just out there. And so it's a matter of
are you actually going to positively affect the team or
are you going to this, you know, just be out there.
(24:02):
And I think that's the determination. And I don't think
he's just going to go out there if he feels
like he's just going to hurt the team. But they
need him, they need him bad.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
But then he's gonnay like he did last time. No, no,
because he's a liability.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
No, but they need they need their other players to
step up a lot more too, though, you know, I've
noticed one thing about it though, is it's two players.
Have you know, really struggled every Okay, see me, every
Indiana loss. Nate Smith and Nim Hard have struggled every loss,
(24:36):
but every win though they're incredible.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
They're incredible is probably the most consistent guy.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
I think McConnell's in that conversation too, But yeah, you're
right the wins, those guys look unstoppable, Like, oh my gosh.
Every team needs Natesmith and them Hard. They need those
kinds of guys. But you're right, when they're off, it's bad.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Yeah, But I just think about all the this whole
all the series coming up. I mean that they've played
them hard and they have been guys who have really
gotten them. You're really through, uh through these series the
way that they've they've been, and so it's tough when
now you really need.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Them and they haven't shown up. It's just as wild.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
You've been hot all playoffs, then the NBA Finals come
around and then you get cold.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
So is that nerves? Is that just you know, not
rising to the moment or is that just basketball?
Speaker 1 (25:25):
But you know what, it's interesting you bring that up
because we've been having this discussion over the last couple
of weeks about maybe the new paradigm of the NBA
right because of the new CBA, because you're seeing two
really deep teams, teams built on depth, not star power,
not having a big three out there, They're built on depth.
But this is what's gonna happen in moments like this,
when you need a closer, you need somebody. And now
(25:46):
Haliburton has been that guy. He has been that guy
throughout the playoffs. He has been sensational in closing games.
But you need that, You need maybe a couple of guys.
And this is where I guess the side that would
argue we still need star power in in the finals,
we still need star power in the playoffs is because
you need guys like Steph Curry, like Lebron at times,
like Jannis, guys that are willing to close that are
(26:09):
good to do that, because when you don't have that
and you're playing just off depth, well, this is what
it's gonna look like.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
You're gonna have some guys, are gonna have.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Some off nights, and it's like, well, we hope that
the cumulative effect of our depth is going to save us.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
But if you have three, maybe four guys that are
having off nights, then you have no chance.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Well, one question I would have would be, would Steph
Curry be Steph Curry about those championships?
Speaker 2 (26:32):
You know, I mean it may be closer. You have
to start somewhere.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Yeah, And I know they keep talking about lack of
star power for the NBA Finals, But you have to
start somewhere. Is this the transition for Halid Burden and
Siam gonna become stars in this league? Like once you
start winning and you have to be put on nationally
televised games, that's when that star power comes. But Indiana
hasn't been in that position before.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
You know, that's an interesting point. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
I thought before Yannis in the Milwaukee Bucks and we've
referenced them a lot their star power with Giannis already,
same thing with Nikola Yokic before they won their championship.
Nikola Yokich had already won an MVP. Star power was
already established there. But it's an interesting point you bring
up because you get thrust into the spotlight and Tyrese
Haliburton has had so many star power kind of moments.
(27:19):
I don't buy into the he's not a superstar or
a star player in the leagus. I do think he is,
and I think he's been that. It's just the fact is,
maybe he isn't on the same level as some of
those guys, because those guys have done it, and they've
done it on teams that have consistently not only been there,
but they know how to close. He's had some closed moments,
but honestly, if he hadn't had, those Pacers might have
been done series ago, several series ago. I mean, they're
(27:43):
they're a good team, but they have clearly overachieved to
their position.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Now.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Oklahoma City, on the other hand, they're where they're supposed
to be. You win sixty eight games in the regular
season in a very difficult conference, you should be in
the finals, and they're about to win this thing tonight.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
I think, well, it's just the issue I always have
with a team like the Pacers, and and and not
even just the Pacers, just with this conversation about Halliburton.
Halliburton has been well, just because I've seen what he's
done to the Bucks and over and over in the playoffs.
He's been that guy. He's always he's never been afraid
to take that shot. But he's had an awful final series,
(28:22):
like you can it can be they can both be equally,
you know. True, he's had an awful final series, and
you know, lou Dort has done a great job on
him and Halliburton did he have one game over twenty
but then he had that that shot in game one.
But other than that, though, Halliburton has kind of been erased,
you know what I mean, You're not seeing the same
(28:43):
playmaking that you have from him, so, you know, in
order for you know, and this is the thing in
order for used to take that next step, though, he
has to be able to consistently do it in the
biggest games, not just and I get it, Hey, closing
out games is a is a huge deal because really
the determination if you win or lose. But we need
(29:03):
to see more of that from the tip, not not
just at the end. It needs to be from the tip.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Get that, Dave.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
How's my wife? Yeah, she's good, Okay, she's good.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
She's in.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
She's in a good place. She's listening to the show.
She's enjoying the show very much. Okay, except for what
I said about field Day. She didn't say that, but
she did seem a little irritated with the conversation. Yeah,
I respect that, you know what. The line yeah agrees
with you guys. I'm well, of course they do. Yeah,
you health mostly healthy americans listening to the show.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Does Ryan have a mad card that someone could take
away from him?
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Ran?
Speaker 1 (29:43):
So everyone gets in the school, play band orchestra, all
get the same grade math.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
We're not even talking about that. We're talking about field,
but we can.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Include different topics.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
The one about you know what? What the what about
what about are some of the most you know what
we gotta get traffic. Good listen.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Ryan does not know how to play blackjack, and he
thinks there's nothing wrong in his field day.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
We thank listeners who have consistently been with us for
a while because they're blackjacks. That was like two days ago,
you got to play black blackjack player, Yes, okay, here
you go.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
In fact, more people have agreed with my blackjack takes
than his saying you know.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
The first thing pops into my mind is like, get
the hell out of here with that. So here's here's
what you get. I'm dealing to you. You get an
ACE six.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
Well, okay, the dealer me, I have a six showing
I'm doubling down.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
Oh oh, another guy, somebody else in the studio that
actually knows you got one.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
You got one.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
Like if you have a bus card up there, and
you have an ace and and you're not hitting like
an eighteen nineteen, I'm I'm doubling down, Thank you, nev seventeen.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
I'm taking a chance.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
I'm doubling down.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Please from on, just talk to Shelby about Jack.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Jack.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
I gamble like I love going to casino. I love
getting like, come on, and if I saw somebody screw
the table over yep by like taking three, I'll be like,
I'll screw you. I'm the type to get up and
leave if somebody's not playing the right way, like all right,
like I was, get.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
Up and oh you have to use you're gonna you're
screwed the whole table.
Speaker 6 (31:24):
That's why you see Ryan all the time playing by himself,
because everybody has already done, gut up and left.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Wait till everybody leaves around. But no, I argued for
and we can we just forever on this because you
and I litigated this already. I argued that you're taking
away a possible tenor face card that the dealer would
bust then you're a seventeen. They have to hit, the
dealer has to hit.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Yeah, but also in that same aspect, you won't lose
the only time you don't want to take a hit
is if it's going to bust you out.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
And I'm attle true.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
But if you're talking about a six or something like that,
like a bus part up there, if you have a
soft seven. If you have a soft seven, seven or seventeen,
I'm hit. I'm doubling down the time. You're gonna stay.
Speaker 6 (32:12):
Like if you have an ACE, if you had an
ACE nine against like a six, I mean you're gonna
stick probably say.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I would now seven or seventeen. I'm doubling down every time.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Okay, well there you go.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Problem call her text one hundred gambler.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
If you got one, congratulations, I got more than one.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
If you read the text line.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
The text line doesnike me anyways, that's that's what do
you mean?
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Text line?
Speaker 5 (32:39):
Just like our lifeline look like a simple that's an
easy one, though, Ryan.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
That almost show me right there, almost he said that
almost out of love. Perfect example, almost like.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
You know you gotta get that one, guys, like for
real though, it's like come on like that's gambling, like
one on one to give you one. But if you
ask a dealer, because I always say if you don't know,
ask a dealer. If you, as a dealer, dealer say
I'll a double down there, that's exactly they would definitely
tell you I would double down and double.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
That the top text. Just to give you an example.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Ryan also asked Dave, Daddy, did I do it good
enough to get a toy, almost explaining
Dave Logan, Ryan Edward Shelby Harris back from Italy Mandatory
Mini campus ce or what's up man.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Man, Happy to be back with my guys.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Man, Yeah, we appreciate you, man, I appreciate you, you know,
schlepping your way down here to the studio, you know,
all around the world, Italy.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Cleveland International shew, I guess that's about it.
Speaker 4 (00:18):
International Shell, you know, all over Italy. For my daughter's
senior trip, we went over there and.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
It was cool.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
It was a really cool trip, just a real you know,
family trip. It was it was great. And then have
to go to Cleveland. You know that was why you
look at me when you say that, because you're.
Speaker 5 (00:34):
The only one in the room that knows how Cleveland Hey,
I love I love the fans. Yeah, but the weather,
my goodness, man.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
The fans are great, like Cleveland has, you know, some
of the best fans, because you have to be well,
how crappy the team has been over the last you know,
thirty years, Like you know, you have to you have
to be a real fan to still be a Cleveland
Browns fan. So the fans are great, it's just you
know Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Well, and sometimes you get on the highway and you
drive one hundred and one miles per hour.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
I mean, those things are gonna happen out there.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
One thing I will say about Cleveland is they had
extremely low speed limits every everywhere because you have to
The facility is on the west side. So that's country.
That's more suburban country area that.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
A country that is like high way what you talking about.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
Over by Olmsted Township?
Speaker 6 (01:22):
For like the facilities in Borea country, I.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Said, over by the facility. If you go a little
bit west of the west of the facility, you know,
it's a little country.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
If you go a little bit west of Denver, there's mountains, mountains.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
I live.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I live.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
I would say twelve minutes west of the facility. My
speed limit on my way to work is twenty five
miles an hour the whole way. No nothing high or
nothing less.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
You're ten and two twenty five the whole way.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
I'm more like just two. Honestly, I'd say, like seven
o'clock seven, Where do you live?
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Home? Township? How did how did you get out there?
You know it's called being married? Is that what it is?
Speaker 4 (02:09):
And your wife goes and starts looking at all his
houses it's really like a real like cookie cutter, yeah
type neighborhood like this, all the houses look, you know,
damn near you live in the burbs. One hundred percent
of question.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yeah, Well we're scary to be here with you. The
Rockies today, Dave, they didn't get to five. That's four
last night, No, that's four, but did not get to
five day gets the extra innings.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I was thinking about this earlier today. I want to
raise my expectations of the Rockies. I'm nervous about doing
something like that, but I'd like to raise my expectations, Dave.
When can I raise expectations about what the Rockies can
be this year?
Speaker 6 (02:46):
Well, since you you ended that question with two words
this year, what I was going to say is I
get really excited in spring training every single year. So
I think you can raise your expectations next March.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Next March, so I mean this year, whatever happens, it
happened to me.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
The rest of this.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
Year is Hey, let's let's see can they develop some
of these young guys. Do any of the young guys
take off and kind of give Rockies fans of which
we are hope for next year. But I don't have
any I don't have any expectations like, hey, this team
is going to battle their way back and you know
(03:29):
by the time this season's over, they're going to be
close close to five hundred.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I don't have that that of expectations.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Maybe what would your expectation?
Speaker 1 (03:41):
I want them to not be first of all, and
these are just in no particular order. I want them
to not be the worst team in baseball history.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
That is a that is a suck, that's an apetation.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
What else do you have?
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I'd like I'd like to see hints of promise from
multiple players that are going to be here.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Next year that we can all agree with that.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
What are good some of the bullpen guys.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Rights had so far? I mean pretty good year?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Yeah, look good?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
What else? What else?
Speaker 3 (04:16):
I'd like to see them close the season strong?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I meant, what does that mean? What does that mean you?
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Maybe you have a winning September.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
And the september they got they got you.
Speaker 6 (04:28):
Let's just say, let's say a winning september they got
you to fifty two wins? Would would tell you? I mean,
you'd be encouraged by that? Being question?
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Dathy Duck backflips throughout the studio. Come on, yes, come on, man.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
The only team they're going to cut they have a
chance of catching. I guess it's the White White Sox.
The White Sox. But then you can't even you know.
I love the optimism with the Rockies from but like
from the people around from the last couple of games.
But if you beat the Nationals and the Braves, who
are also under five hundred, but you did finish the
(05:04):
series against the Giants, I can give you that.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Hey, listen, I'm not a Rockies hater.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
I want the Rockies to do good, but I'm not
gonna get caught up in like being excited. If they
have a winning September and it gives them to fifty
one wins, it's like, good God, Thankfully the season's over.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Can we focus on next season and what are y'all going.
Speaker 6 (05:23):
To do to make sure that this type thing doesn't
happen again?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
That would be where I'm at.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Well, I think the consensus amongst fans are, well, have
they done anything recently in the last couple of years
to elevate themselves, So what's going to change them? Just
because they're the worst team in baseball? They've been teetering
around the worst team in baseball the last couple of years.
So what changes the ownership's decision to finally invest in
the team from a roster standpoint.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Well, they do, I mean they do advice.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
You didn't even believe that with your chest when you
said that.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
But well, I mean because you're like, you're twenty first
and spending something like that.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I mean, they do invest.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
But the understanding has to be that this is a
draft and develop right, I mean, and maybe you can
make some trades, who knows. But for the most part,
you are a draft and developed kind of team. You
have to be, and if you're gonna have any kind
of success, it's gonna be from a lot of your
homegrown talent that includes pitching and maybe their fourth overall
pick coming up in the draft.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Well, I hate I know you guys always say this
whenever I come here, but always somehow, you know, move
it back to Milwaukee, don't. But if you the Rockies,
like you said, are kind of trying to do what
the Brewers do, you know what I mean? And the
Brewers have you know, they have a paid guy as
like you have Chris Bryant. We have Christian Yelich, you
know what I mean. And then you have a lot
of young talents. You're not fair, but you two former MVPs,
(06:42):
I know, but two former MVPs.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Those two in this play one day.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
That's right, What is actually still hitting home runs this moment?
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yeah, one today?
Speaker 4 (06:51):
No, but I think that you know, it's just it's
the same kind of they both do the same thing.
Whereas in like you, you you try to draft very
well and you try to have the young guys really
carry a lot of the load. And sometimes it works
or sometimes it doesn't, Like we say here, but it's
a tough situation. When you're a bottom half spending team
(07:16):
in MLB, you have to make you have to draft
very well, and you have to have to really when
you do pay somebody, you have to work.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
All right, let me ask you, Dave, what would give
you optimism?
Speaker 1 (07:27):
What would be something that you would be excited about
when you get to the end of the season, other
than the mercilessly it's mercifully it's over.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
What would be something that you're.
Speaker 6 (07:38):
The only thing that would give me any optimism whatsoever?
Is the development of some of these young dudes you
mentioned Hunter Goodman mean there's some there's some young players
here that you would like to see sort of take
that next step, and that's it. I don't care if
(07:59):
they have a great September because it's still the body
of work over one hundred and sixty two game schedule.
So I mean, to me, this is major League Baseball, right,
I mean, you're gonna ge judged over one hundred and
sixty two, not what you do in September, not what
you do necessarily in April. My hope is that they
(08:21):
don't win to the extent that would give those who
make decisions down there a real false hope, like yeah,
but I mean sort of like you laid out, Yeah,
but gosh, you know, we were five hundred and August
and we were four games above five hundred in September.
(08:42):
That to me is a losing mentality, and you can't
afford to have that if you're again Dick Montford, I
mean the guy Dick Montford, the guy that ultimately has
to make these decisions, and Bill Schmidtz to a lesser degree.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
So I didn't realize that you were in the camp
thinking that all the losing is going to mean something there.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
I don't realize losing.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
Should should be. I mean, I think you ought to
wallow in it. I think it ought to. It ought
to invade every pore of your body, and it ought
to do that like twenty four hours a day.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
And you're not You shouldn't. Humans.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
We all are prone to try to find something good
in just a bucket of dodo.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
But I would.
Speaker 6 (09:33):
Encourage and challenge Dick Monford not to do that to
the extent that you actually talk yourself into thinking, huh, well,
I know it was a horrible start, but there were
reasons and it was a pretty good ending, so.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
We're good. I just think that's that's that. It's not
going to cut it that.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
I just want to see the Rockies young guys like
you guys have been saying though, when you have a
team that's in the bottom of the standings, it's all
about senior young guys go out there and get better.
The issue is Tovar's hurt hasn't played. He's a young
guy that they are. You know, they paid him. He's
a guy that they depend on, and I.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
Think I think when he when he's healthy, he's he's
a really good young player.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
I first noticed him, and you know, you want to
hate this, but when I went to go watch the
Brewers versus the Rockies and he was killing the Brewers
and I was like, oh, who is this kid?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
He's a stud?
Speaker 4 (10:30):
And then he did it again the next night and
then he's he's just a he's a hell of a player.
You want to see Goodman really started like, you know,
just keep strong and keep going. But you got to
see Britain Doyle really step it up and start doing something.
He's hitting under the Mendoza line and it's just not
it's not viable for you know, the Rockies for him
to really be doing that bad because he's a guy
(10:50):
who before the season they were like, oh, are they
going to extend him or not?
Speaker 6 (10:54):
Well, he's an excellent defensive player, but he's a guy
that you know, we've seen him get hot from time
to time. But that's always been the question. I mean,
is he's a guy that is going to be a
gold glove outfielder. Is he a guy that is going
to be good enough at the plate that he can
be your guy in the outfield over you know, a
full season.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Oh no, no, no, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
And you're right, he's not. He's not had a great season.
He's been hurt as well, but that's not an excuse.
He's out there playing now and he could be better.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
He could better. There's a lot of guys that could
be better.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
There's a reason why the record is what it is
right now in seventeen wins.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
I mean, and you're gonna hate this, Dave so.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Well, then don't say they let me just keep it five.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Six zero coms, Okay, what is it?
Speaker 3 (11:40):
I have been enjoying the battle from this team. I I.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
And again it's a it's a oral victory conversation. I
know you absolutely hate that stuff. There there there you you.
Speaker 6 (11:51):
I would have bought in when you started and said,
I haven't been enjoying the battle from this team like period.
I have said, you know what, I agree with that,
but when you then lump it into moral victories, I
am out one thousand percent in professional sports.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
I'm out, like out fair.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Yeah that I should have stopped. Period.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
I've enjoyed that. Feel good. I'm looking battling too.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
I mean, I I they have been battling, and I
like that. I like the competitive thing. But you know what,
you're not the old phrase. I remember hearing it my
rookie year in the league. Had never thought about this
until the head coach said it. Let me just get
this straight and make sure you guys understand you were
not paid to play.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
You are paid to win. I'm like, huh.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
This whole time I thought I thought, I mean, I
thought I was just paid to play. But that's not
the case. And that's not the case with the Rockies either.
They're paid to win.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Well, you know, historically, you know, over bad teams, over
any sport, when you're this bad, a majority of the
team is out there next year. So when you're this bad,
these guys that we keep talking about, the core young guys,
they gotta go and and really cement themselves for next year.
Otherwise it's not a good look to be the DFAED
(13:12):
from the Rockies like that. That's not a good look
around the league because obviously, you know, the Rockies are
the worst team in the league, So to get dfa'd
from the Rockies is not a good a good look.
So everybody on this roster has need to be on
high alert and play with some energy because the mob
career could be riding on this. I remember when in Denver,
all in the years, I always here when we were bad.
(13:33):
The whole thought about oh, like, oh, you guys want
to tanker on and that's I'm like, yo, it's people's
jobs on the line here, Like if you know, if
you don't fix it, you're gonna be considered part of
the problem. And so they're going to bring other people
in to take your job. And so the Britton Doyle's
although you gotta step it up, or there might be
(13:55):
talks of, well, you might need to get another guy.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
You say that about tanking, because I I bristle in
any sport. Really, I know that there's some sports we've
talked about where you can as a general manager is
an organization, you can make some decisions. You can tell
the coach, hey, listen, you're gonna be fine, but we
need to maybe not play some of our best players.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Those kinds of things.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
I don't think we heard about the situation of Miami,
for example, when Steven Ross was trying to who is
that uh from Flora and Florian Flora is was.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Was going to pay him money to tank? If you will.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
As an addendum to that comment, it'll surprised you as
we sit here today, strike you how quickly that story dispared.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Yeah, oh, any time it's an owner or the integrity
of the league, that's not a player problem that they
can't play at the player and be like, hey, this
is you, like you need to fix this. But like, well,
just like how fast did the Robbitt crafting die?
Speaker 2 (14:56):
You know what i mean?
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Like we talked about it for a couple of weeks
and then never heard of it again. Now everyone's just
sitting there smiling with him like nothing happened. But then
every time ray Rice's name is thrown around, it's still
that same that same president. I'm just talking about the
media is coverage surrounding it, and now that ray Rice
(15:19):
is not at all like that's I'm not Rocky.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Craft didn't allegedly knock out his messuits, but.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
He didn't allegedly do anything. He did go and well no,
but I'm saying and that's what I'm just saying. I'm
just saying more about the idea. Well, really, the only
reason that ray Rice thing even blew up like this
is because the video came out because the NFL, if
we remember, the NFL went light on him, and then
that video came out and they tried to reverse course
and suspend him more so, let's not have like the
(15:46):
NFL is all high nighty and it's either. So the
issue is though, you know, whenever it's a coach, whenever
it's an owner, those things kind of get swept under
the rug.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
But if it's a player, you're going to.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
Be on the front you know, on the front screen,
You're gonna be on TV all day and it's gonna
be blasting about what you just did.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I never really did hear.
Speaker 6 (16:05):
Honestly, if if anybody came to a conclusion about the
Stephen Ross, the allegations that Stephen Ross said to his
head coach or encouraged him to lose games down the stretch, well, you.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Know, publicly he came out and was like, oh, I'm
you know, never never was sad and anything like that.
But privately, probably a couple of NBA's were signed.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Well, the same thing with the emails, remember John Gruden emails.
Never really heard more on that. That kind of got
what we.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Were in court.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
So John Gruden has been in court against the NFL
and rats for.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
A long time, but that stuff has not come out,
not at all. So anyways, except for the stuff that
obviously made him look poor. He actually tweeted out a
video today because CSU sent a bunch of swag, which
was kind of cool. Actually, you know what, John Gruden
for all the other stuff I acted. I liked him
as a broadcaster. I liked him on Monday Night Football
(16:58):
a lot. I liked his quarterback camps.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
And then big lipped Michelin, Big Michelin, tired lips.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
That's what he said about Boris Smith.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Yeah, that wasn't great.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
That was great. The dude, okay, not at all. Absolutely
should have gotten blasted. He lose lost his job as
a result of it. He's not back in the league.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
Welcome to our June Kenth broadcast. Mean, holy, I didn't
realize that was said. No, back to your original point,
I've I've enjoyed Gruden. I thought he was good in
TV and his quarterback series that he was doing.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
What do you do that for ESPN? The quarterback camps
or whatever?
Speaker 6 (17:44):
The Yeah, that was I mean, he was good at
He's a natural at that well.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Because he's entertaining and he actually he knows what he's
talking about and so you can't but he's very good
at portraying that on TV also, and so it's really
hard to communicate the other people that you like, your
knowledge for them to understand. And that's what John Gruden
was very good at. And that's really why you know,
it's crazy, isn't that crazy? Though? He was a great
(18:11):
TV guy And yeah, I tell your name kind of
get into the you know, the loop of oh, maybe
he should be our head coach?
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Well, I mean you want it's a championship with Tampa
Bay too. Well, Doe's team we agree on that that
was Tony Dungeons team if he got traded there. It's
not like I mean, you know it was. I don't
even know what to say. We are off roll here
on a juneteenth edition of the program. As they've played,
we got all sorts of fun stuff to get to.
We'll get into game six some thoughts. It looks like
(18:40):
Tyre's Halliburton is gonna play the night. We'll talk about
that coming up here in just a little bit. I
have a poll question up that you can check out
at our average Radio. Which of these Broncos is the
most to prove this upcoming season between Ufanga, Benito, be
Moss and Shelby's favorite bon Nicks. We'll get into that
conversation coming up in just a little bit, and appreciate
your roll this here, okay.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Away, what's their record now?
Speaker 6 (19:03):
Fifty Oh golly, you know, I look at it, seventeen
and fifty eight, seventeen and fifty eight.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
I look at it. You know what they've won for
the last five.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
I've looked at it as five of their last eight.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
I have like four of their last five. I'm winning
right now. To me, the Rockies are winning at an
eighty percent clip. What's five of eight this week? If
you just look at a little more than sixty sixty
a little extra?
Speaker 3 (19:31):
I mean, what a week they've had so far? They
actually here we go, Okay, we go.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
I want to hear and oranges for everybody.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
You want to frame this slices.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Listen, fellas, you know, starting on Sunday, if we go
all the way, they have a chance to not only
win the week, but maybe even dominate this week.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
You have Di'm back coming to town. They're kind of
a mixed bag here. The betterrow to lose today.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
That's all right, Billy.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
Listen, the last time you struck out, you know what
you did, even fall down?
Speaker 2 (20:01):
It's okay, you're getting better.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
I can't even push back about it.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
No, it's funny because like yesterday I had to take
my daughter to the track yesterday, and you mean you
got there to take your daughter to track and and
and he just sat there and cooking. Yes, I felt
bad for her about you know, she's you know, the
whole practice, she's doing everything she tells them to. Was
that at the end, they're playing Sharks and Meadows and
(20:30):
I look and she's over here playing with flowers. And
so when I got home, she's she's like that is
we in the car? Say, daw do good enough to
get a toy? I said, are you serious?
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Just like that serious? Like did you not?
Speaker 5 (20:46):
I had to yell like like Evelyn get up, like
literally while they're playing this game.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
I had to yell Evely get up, like okay.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
But my whole thing is if you're going to do something,
you're gonna do it, and and we're gonna give all effort.
We're not going to sit there and just play around. No,
but the thing is in the whole yeah, dude, the
whole time though she was doing great the whole time.
Then I get to this game and she's like, if
I tell my wife that she's like, yes, she did
that on Monday too.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
I was like, why didn't you tell me this?
Speaker 3 (21:22):
You shouldn't have the compete.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yes, she does. She's actually very competitive.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
She's actually but like in like board games and stuff
like that, but like, yeah, she's actually very competitive. But
like that's the same thing. She's like, oh, well, I
deserve a twenty four this. I'm like, no, you don't,
not at all. I was like, you're lucky not in trouble.
If this happens again, I'm not gonna be happy with you.
And she's like, okay that, I'll make sure i'll do
it right next time.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
What if she was like a minnow and kept losing,
would you be like just as disappointed.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
No, as long as you're trying, it's all about the effort,
and it doesn't matter if you're good at it or
if you're bad at it. As long as you're trying.
Sent as a kid, that's all that matters. We can
work on that other stuff later, but you can't teach effort.
And so the biggest thing I'm just you know, run hard,
play hard.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
This is what I'm saying about the Rockies. See you,
we're on the same page.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
No, No, I'm talking to a six year old, not
a bunch of grown men getting paid millions of the
dollars to go play a sport.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
I just say, I just want to see effort. I
want to see fight, I want to see battling.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
So isn't that crazy I'm saying the same thing to
my six year old that you want us to say
to the Rockies. I just want to see effort. I
want to see fight. No, like Day said, we want
to see wins.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
I'm starting to think that you may be one of
the primary causes that field.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Day is the way it is now a field day.
Field day is trash.
Speaker 6 (22:42):
The fact that the fact that you just said what's
wrong with field day is exactly what's wrong with field day.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
Not competitive, well, it's just like hanging out now everybody
gets a ribbon.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Competitive is a sliding scale. You really shouldn't just are
not the same for every single person.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
You just want to see for every single because not
every person is built the same. You know, some people
are more aspects.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
I mean, they can't compete.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
They can't compete and they can try and and I think.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
We have everybody ribbons.
Speaker 6 (23:13):
Hang on, here's your wife, Colin.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
To let me know.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Last day, me just simply saying what's wrong with field Day?
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Yeah, he's gone. All right, Well that's fair, that's fair.
I did want to It's funny you mentioned board games.
I do want to get into Adrian Peterson and getting
in a fight on poker, But I want to wait
till Dave comes back for that game six tonight.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Tyres Haliburton is scheduled to play.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
But should he It just depends are you going to
play like how you did last game? It's pretty miserable
because last game barely you can move around, you know,
you definitely couldn't drive to the hoop, so you really
were just out there. And so it's a matter of
are you actually going to positively affect the team or
are you going to this, you know, just be out there.
(24:02):
And I think that's the determination. And I don't think
he's just going to go out there if he feels
like he's just going to hurt the team. But they
need him, they need him bad.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
But then he's gonnay like he did last time. No, no,
because he's a liability.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
No, but they need they need their other players to
step up a lot more too, though, you know, I've
noticed one thing about it though, is it's two players.
Have you know, really struggled every Okay, see me, every
Indiana loss. Nate Smith and Nim Hard have struggled every loss,
(24:36):
but every win though they're incredible.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
They're incredible is probably the most consistent guy.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
I think McConnell's in that conversation too, But yeah, you're
right the wins, those guys look unstoppable, Like, oh my gosh.
Every team needs Natesmith and them Hard. They need those
kinds of guys. But you're right, when they're off, it's bad.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Yeah, But I just think about all the this whole
all the series coming up. I mean that they've played
them hard and they have been guys who have really
gotten them. You're really through, uh through these series the
way that they've they've been, and so it's tough when
now you really need.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Them and they haven't shown up. It's just as wild.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
You've been hot all playoffs, then the NBA Finals come
around and then you get cold.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
So is that nerves? Is that just you know, not
rising to the moment or is that just basketball?
Speaker 1 (25:25):
But you know what, it's interesting you bring that up
because we've been having this discussion over the last couple
of weeks about maybe the new paradigm of the NBA
right because of the new CBA, because you're seeing two
really deep teams, teams built on depth, not star power,
not having a big three out there, They're built on depth.
But this is what's gonna happen in moments like this,
when you need a closer, you need somebody. And now
(25:46):
Haliburton has been that guy. He has been that guy
throughout the playoffs. He has been sensational in closing games.
But you need that, You need maybe a couple of guys.
And this is where I guess the side that would
argue we still need star power in in the finals,
we still need star power in the playoffs is because
you need guys like Steph Curry, like Lebron at times,
like Jannis, guys that are willing to close that are
(26:09):
good to do that, because when you don't have that
and you're playing just off depth, well, this is what
it's gonna look like.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
You're gonna have some guys, are gonna have.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Some off nights, and it's like, well, we hope that
the cumulative effect of our depth is going to save us.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
But if you have three, maybe four guys that are
having off nights, then you have no chance.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Well, one question I would have would be, would Steph
Curry be Steph Curry about those championships?
Speaker 2 (26:32):
You know, I mean it may be closer. You have
to start somewhere.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Yeah, And I know they keep talking about lack of
star power for the NBA Finals, But you have to
start somewhere. Is this the transition for Halid Burden and
Siam gonna become stars in this league? Like once you
start winning and you have to be put on nationally
televised games, that's when that star power comes. But Indiana
hasn't been in that position before.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
You know, that's an interesting point. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
I thought before Yannis in the Milwaukee Bucks and we've
referenced them a lot their star power with Giannis already,
same thing with Nikola Yokic before they won their championship.
Nikola Yokich had already won an MVP. Star power was
already established there. But it's an interesting point you bring
up because you get thrust into the spotlight and Tyrese
Haliburton has had so many star power kind of moments.
(27:19):
I don't buy into the he's not a superstar or
a star player in the leagus. I do think he is,
and I think he's been that. It's just the fact is,
maybe he isn't on the same level as some of
those guys, because those guys have done it, and they've
done it on teams that have consistently not only been there,
but they know how to close. He's had some closed moments,
but honestly, if he hadn't had, those Pacers might have
been done series ago, several series ago. I mean, they're
(27:43):
they're a good team, but they have clearly overachieved to
their position.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Now.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Oklahoma City, on the other hand, they're where they're supposed
to be. You win sixty eight games in the regular
season in a very difficult conference, you should be in
the finals, and they're about to win this thing tonight.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
I think, well, it's just the issue I always have
with a team like the Pacers, and and and not
even just the Pacers, just with this conversation about Halliburton.
Halliburton has been well, just because I've seen what he's
done to the Bucks and over and over in the playoffs.
He's been that guy. He's always he's never been afraid
to take that shot. But he's had an awful final series,
(28:22):
like you can it can be they can both be equally,
you know. True, he's had an awful final series, and
you know, lou Dort has done a great job on
him and Halliburton did he have one game over twenty
but then he had that that shot in game one.
But other than that, though, Halliburton has kind of been erased,
you know what I mean, You're not seeing the same
(28:43):
playmaking that you have from him, so, you know, in
order for you know, and this is the thing in
order for used to take that next step, though, he
has to be able to consistently do it in the
biggest games, not just and I get it, Hey, closing
out games is a is a huge deal because really
the determination if you win or lose. But we need
(29:03):
to see more of that from the tip, not not
just at the end. It needs to be from the tip.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Get that, Dave.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
How's my wife? Yeah, she's good, Okay, she's good.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
She's in.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
She's in a good place. She's listening to the show.
She's enjoying the show very much. Okay, except for what
I said about field Day. She didn't say that, but
she did seem a little irritated with the conversation. Yeah,
I respect that, you know what. The line yeah agrees
with you guys. I'm well, of course they do. Yeah,
you health mostly healthy americans listening to the show.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Does Ryan have a mad card that someone could take
away from him?
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Ran?
Speaker 1 (29:43):
So everyone gets in the school, play band orchestra, all
get the same grade math.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
We're not even talking about that. We're talking about field,
but we can.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Include different topics.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
The one about you know what? What the what about
what about are some of the most you know what
we gotta get traffic. Good listen.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Ryan does not know how to play blackjack, and he
thinks there's nothing wrong in his field day.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
We thank listeners who have consistently been with us for
a while because they're blackjacks. That was like two days ago,
you got to play black blackjack player, Yes, okay, here
you go.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
In fact, more people have agreed with my blackjack takes
than his saying you know.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
The first thing pops into my mind is like, get
the hell out of here with that. So here's here's
what you get. I'm dealing to you. You get an
ACE six.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
Well, okay, the dealer me, I have a six showing
I'm doubling down.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
Oh oh, another guy, somebody else in the studio that
actually knows you got one.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
You got one.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
Like if you have a bus card up there, and
you have an ace and and you're not hitting like
an eighteen nineteen, I'm I'm doubling down, Thank you, nev seventeen.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
I'm taking a chance.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
I'm doubling down.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Please from on, just talk to Shelby about Jack.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Jack.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
I gamble like I love going to casino. I love
getting like, come on, and if I saw somebody screw
the table over yep by like taking three, I'll be like,
I'll screw you. I'm the type to get up and
leave if somebody's not playing the right way, like all right,
like I was, get.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
Up and oh you have to use you're gonna you're
screwed the whole table.
Speaker 6 (31:24):
That's why you see Ryan all the time playing by himself,
because everybody has already done, gut up and left.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Wait till everybody leaves around. But no, I argued for
and we can we just forever on this because you
and I litigated this already. I argued that you're taking
away a possible tenor face card that the dealer would
bust then you're a seventeen. They have to hit, the
dealer has to hit.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Yeah, but also in that same aspect, you won't lose
the only time you don't want to take a hit
is if it's going to bust you out.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
And I'm attle true.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
But if you're talking about a six or something like that,
like a bus part up there, if you have a
soft seven. If you have a soft seven, seven or seventeen,
I'm hit. I'm doubling down the time. You're gonna stay.
Speaker 6 (32:12):
Like if you have an ACE, if you had an
ACE nine against like a six, I mean you're gonna
stick probably say.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I would now seven or seventeen. I'm doubling down every time.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Okay, well there you go.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Problem call her text one hundred gambler.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
If you got one, congratulations, I got more than one.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
If you read the text line.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
The text line doesnike me anyways, that's that's what do
you mean?
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Text line?
Speaker 5 (32:39):
Just like our lifeline look like a simple that's an
easy one, though, Ryan.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
That almost show me right there, almost he said that
almost out of love. Perfect example, almost like.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
You know you gotta get that one, guys, like for
real though, it's like come on like that's gambling, like
one on one to give you one. But if you
ask a dealer, because I always say if you don't know,
ask a dealer. If you, as a dealer, dealer say
I'll a double down there, that's exactly they would definitely
tell you I would double down and double.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
That the top text. Just to give you an example.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Ryan also asked Dave, Daddy, did I do it good
enough to get a toy, almost explaining
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