06-19-25 KOA Sports Hour 2 with Shelby Harris

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Speaking of games, Dave, I didn't want to ask you
about the Adrian Peterson boxing match he got in over
a poker game. Did you see any of that video today?

Speaker 2 (00:08):
What I did not? Okay then, uh sweating a bit,
so I didn't bring me up to speed.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Well so, and apparently, according to to a p he
said it was with somebody that's a brother a friend.
He got in a fist fight. TMZ put out this
video earlier today. I can show you here in a
second that he basically they they were playing poker at all.
I'll find it really quick here. So they were playing
poker and all of a sudden it just kind of

(00:37):
broke out into a too a fist fight. No, I know,
I know, I'm trying to play it here. But of
course we got ads and you know everybody's going to
make money.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yeah wow, yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Amazing ads.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Right, Just reality show Unhinged has.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Nothing to do with me, by the.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Real quick.

Speaker 4 (01:01):
Have you guys been hearing about this Love Island stuff? Yes, nude,
So everyone keeps talking to me about it. I'm like,
this is the oh wow, the video Just no, everyone
keeps talking about it. I feel like I'm the only
one that doesn't watch Love Island and now here we go,
okay with it?

Speaker 1 (01:16):
So here all of a sudden poker game. That's that's
AP right there. Dudes trying to stand in between him.
He still looks yoked by the way.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
He Well, it's only been like two years since you
played Boom Boom.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
As we're all watching the video.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Wow, he fights just like how he did in the
boxing match.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Here we go, here we go right there, some white
dude you over right hand?

Speaker 3 (01:39):
Oh oh, and.

Speaker 4 (01:41):
Did you ever see that boxing match between AP and
was it Frank Gore?

Speaker 3 (01:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yeah, it looks exactly the same. Yeah, it looks exactly.
The difference is the guy he's fighting is not Frank Gore.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Not Frank Gore. So anyways, so he says that is
more or less just hey, what's a brother? And this
is the thing that happens. Sometimes you get you get
hit it. I was curious if you've ever been and
I don't know, in a fight game or otherwise been
in I mean, has there ever been a situation in
your life that you wanted to get in a fist
fight over a game like anything like that? Like I

(02:12):
almost got in a fist fight in a poker game,
which is what I thought of it.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, yeah, over a poker game.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yeah, because though the rules are pretty nah. See, this
guy ran something out on me and I got pretty
heated about it. That was a little bit more of
a hot head in my twenties. I'm glad you didn't
and yeah, and he was gonna he would have bought
the floor with me, even even though I I've told
you I have a black belt and all those things.
But but this this guy was big and I started
laying into him about what a cheap bleep he was

(02:40):
for running out, had no business whatsoever being in the hand.
He's like, you know, you want to step outside. We can,
we can hitle this right now.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
And so so that's what makes me mad.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
If someone has no business playing, yeah is there money?

Speaker 2 (02:53):
And he invites you to step outside, and you said
you declined.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
I had my listen. I declined because it was a
it was a friendly game. It was at my buddy's
house and he was his friend that he invited, and
I I didn't want to and and I wasn't really
gonna do that. I think I was I was talking more.
I was kind of I had a couple of drinks.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
I was talking.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
I was talking more than I probably I should have.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
You know, I look at it as the same thing
as like the blackjack conversation. You know, you can't play
with everybody, you know, like you said, if some people,
you know, some people were say in the hand and
they're not supposed to be there, and then you see
them went over it. But all right, this isn't the
game for me, you know, just like the blackjack and
someone's not playing the right way, just get up and
and dip off and look all right like that, you know,
this is like inside, But like I'm not fighting you

(03:38):
over that unless I find out you're cheating, because his thing,
you only gamble with what you're what you can lose.
And and I'm like, if you won firing squere, you
got it.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
How it should be up. But I'm not sure that's
the thing.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
No, it's not, though, because people definitely a gambling with
their mortgage and rent money out there.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
But I don't think I've ever got in a fistfight
over like any kind of game. Yeah anything, yeah, yeah,
I pick up basketball. I was down, it was down
a red shield.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
And you did you get into a fight or did
you like it got close.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Well, listen, I I this is this is a long
time ago. And do you know what red shield is? No,
I didn't. I would My my comeback for that is
I didn't think you did, but I would take you there.

(04:41):
So anyway, there was this big, like big yoked up dude,
and I mean fallon and like it was hurting. So
and I bet there are people listening to the show
that actually witnessed this. I said, you know what, you
found me that way again, I'm gonna punch in the face.

(05:02):
So here comes the next hard foul and I take
the ball, take the ball and I slam it down
to the court and I said, you and me outside, Well,
so walk out the door. As I'm walking at the door,
I'm thinking, man, this is a big So he didn't

(05:23):
come out, which is honestly probably good news for me.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
But that was the last.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
You know, I don't think I've ever fought over a
card game or you know, anything like that, golf game,
nothing like that.

Speaker 4 (05:36):
The cards is you know, you win or you lose,
like I said before, unless you cheat. That's the only
time I really will have a problem with it, because
I've seen somebody try to cheat a card game in college.
And so that's the only time that you're ever hearing
me complain about losing or anything like that, is if
it wasn't fair. But the only other time I woulday
it would be a pickup basketball game in college. You know, obviously,

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you know you have the wreck. Guys know you're you know,
you're an athlete, and so they want to get really competitive.
And that's why always like caution even any type of athlete,
pro athletes, college athletes of playing at Rex and stuff
like that, because guys want to compare themselves to you.
They want to see if they're, oh, this is a
D one football player. Let me see if I'm as
good as he is, or athletic as he is. Oh

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he's a he's a D two basketball player. Let me
try to go as I'll go go. Let him to
measure myself. And then that's how you get hurt. And
so then you know a guy, the guy I went
up for a dunk or whatever, and he almost undercut me,
and I said, you try that again.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
It's me and you. That's it. It's me and you. Wow.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
Do most do they do? People back off on something
because you're you guys are professional athletes like I imagine, No, no,
they don't. So they go up to that level with you.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
Well, people will because they have nothing to lose. Especially
don't let them know you're a professional athlete.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
They're going to Well, most most guys know if you're
playing basketball in the offseason, you're getting a good run,
pickup game or whatever. I mean, most guys know. I mean,
if Shelby goes out and plays basketball, they're gonna know
its Shelby Harris. Now he'd be a little bit different
because you look at him and say, I don't think so,

(07:19):
But I think for other guys it'd be like, yeah,
I might, I might want to try you on, yeah,
just to see how that is.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
And that's what you see it a lot.

Speaker 4 (07:29):
You see it a lot, and not just in sports situations,
just out and about really, you know, guys will try
to try athletes and like try to fight them or
talk trash to them, and it's just like, yo, like
the biggest way I look at it is nothing like
I have them so much to lose, I'm just want
to walk away. But these guys, they have nothing to lose,

(07:49):
and so their idea is more like if I can
get you to swing on me. If I can get
you to do anything, I can sue you for one
hundred thousand dollars plus. It's all about money, now, like
you know what, I like, That's that's.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
All it's about.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
It's all about ideo.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
Yeah, and they have a friend video on in the
corner and then and they show you slapping the slapping
the crap out.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
Of somebody, which you really just slap them.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
I made that decision in college and like did not
swing on people. I'm too strong. I was too strong,
and so yeah, I got a slap fight, a slap fight,
and and honestly, like you should be embarrassed if you
lost it a slap but like this back into college days, of.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Course you were going to be a slap fight with
the guy that you were playing basketball with.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
Though that would have been that would have been something
serious though.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
No, and that's probably before her cell phone cameras, right,
Oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (08:41):
That was about to say we were riding like covered
wagons to go play basketball.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
That you got to stay at home.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
There were things done, Honestly, there were things done in
college that had there been cell phones. I mean, I
consider myself and and a lot of my team up
there at the University of Colorado. Consider ourselves lucky that
when we had sort of our youthful indiscretions, there weren't

(09:12):
cell phones. I mean, that's you know, that's true. But nowadays.
I mean back in the day, if if you got
into a little disagreement or whatever and it had to
be handled, it was handled, and then that was that.
Now you can't, you know, you try to, you try
to teach young dudes like, hey, listen, man, you got

(09:32):
to walk away. You got to learn to walk away
from stuff. Because people have guns. They have you you don't.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
You just can't do what we used to do. You
can't do that today and be safe. You got to
assume everybody has a gun. That's right.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
And that's why I tell walk I tell Kabai, I
tell my oldest I tell you know, teammates. I was like,
anytime you get into any altercation is walk away. You
have to assume everybody has a gun.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Bill Marnwell wrote an article today. He said that Marvin
Mims is the best gadget player in the NFL, which
is interesting because I would have said Deebo Samuel until recently.
But he said that that's sort of a superpower of
his and that his numbers sort of support that conversation.
We've had. We've had discussions saying Marvin Mims maybe developed

(10:18):
into more of a you know, not only just a
deep threat, but a true wide receiver. But maybe the
argument should be, if that is his superpower and that
is what he's good at, maybe the Broncos should consider
keeping him there.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
I think it's okay.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
I think it's okay to have a guy that you
go out of your way to try to find ways
to get the ball to. And a lot of times
it's a punt returner or I guess a few times
kickoff returner.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
But I mean last year and we talked about this.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
I thought the Broncos coaching staff did a nice job
about midway through the season of saying, hey, wait a minute, how.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
Do we get this guy the ball?

Speaker 2 (10:58):
And once you did on some jet sweeps on quick screens,
then all of a sudden, you know, like the Cincinnati game,
you get him on that deep over, you know, sixty
yard play, and I think Memes has that kind of ability.
But I do think it'll be interesting to see if
you can also develop him into kind of a complete receiver.

(11:23):
Can he run some digs? Can he run? Can he
be a guy that is just you don't know where
he's gonna get it, but you know he's going to
get it. And if you have that, and then I
think you've taken a positive step in the passing game.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
Yeah gotcha. Guy isn't a bad thing. But the thing
about Marvin Mims that I feel like the national media
isn't paying attention to is that in order for Denver
to be successful, they're going to need him to take
a step in the receiving game. You know, not just
the gadgets, not just jet sweeps and you know, trick plays.
You're going to need him to be able to get
some first downs for you, not just be a deep target.

(11:59):
You're gonna need him, like Dave said, a more complete receiver.
And I think he will take that. I think he
will definitely take that step and that. But I do
believe once you do take that step is more of
like a reliable receiver. Some of the gadgets kind of
toned down a little bit and they kind of go
to another person who isn't seeing the field as much

(12:20):
as they could be seeing it. So I think Martin
Nims will will We'll end up figuring out on the
receiving end and still be a great, you know, returner,
and you know, still get the All Pro returner. But
I just think that for him and for Denver to
really be as successful as possible, he has to become
not a gadget guy, not just a gadget guy. He
has to become their number two receiver. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
I think that's fair. He did show some promise last year,
specifically against the Browns.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Takes a shotgun, snap, drops three yards into the end zone,
loads it up deep, all down middle Phillies.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
Got men's are ms.

Speaker 5 (12:52):
Is gone forty thirty twenty fifteen to ten high steppings
into the south Sea zone. Touchdown, Denver ninety three yards.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
Perfect strike.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Bone knicks to Marvin Mims.

Speaker 4 (13:10):
So obviously you didn't hear a word I said, because
I said he needs to get some first downs. Hey,
you just instantly go to to the ninety or touchdown.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
I guess your team's what's just fun?

Speaker 4 (13:21):
You know?

Speaker 2 (13:21):
You know the funny thing about that play, this is
a true story when when Bowl let that pass go,
he was in the end zone when that ball came
out of his hands, and I'm calling the play. I
distinctly remember saying to myself, that's gonna get picked. When
the ball came out of bow Nicks's hands, I said,

(13:47):
uh oh, and then.

Speaker 6 (13:50):
Ninety three yards later I call it a touchdown. So
it was it was crazy. Yeah, just I'm luck in NFL,
you know what I mean. Sometimes players don't make plays
and sometimes they do and that's a part of that's
part of the league.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
On that one, you're absolutely right. I mean, what you
gotta get a rookie quarterback making that throw, and that's
one of the things that I think really gives Broncos
fans hope with respect to Knicks and his uh improvement
as his career goes on. He is not afraid to

(14:24):
see it and let it rip.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
The pole. Question to put out this morning, which of
the Broncos has the most to prove this upcoming season?
Teleno Hufanga, Nick Bonito, Riley Moss or Bone Nicks Ryan's
huge pole? Thank you for It's terrible, So I'd be curious,
I definitely. I don't really want to get your thoughts
both of you on who would be on that be
that for you? But first, what do you think the

(14:49):
results are so far? With seven hundred votes.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Well, what's the question who has the most to approve?

Speaker 1 (14:54):
He has the most to prove this upcoming seaon it's
a Hufannga, Nicks, Moss and Needle.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
Well, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (15:02):
That doesn't mean I guess this is weird because he
I would think the polls should be who has the
most approved from the Broncos that was here of the
year before could be. But so you have a deal,
so you have a lot. If it's known, you have
a lot to prove.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah, listen, I understand. And he's the last He's the
last place on this pole. So I mean there's an
understanding that I don't. I think people look at this
and see the other players on here and have a
heavier lean whufog is more about the injury history.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
Long there than if were talking about injury history. Can
only get four because he just got hurt again, So
that would be a thought, But mine would be abject estimate. Okay,
all right, because because I say this, because this you.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
Had a multiple choice, I.

Speaker 4 (15:50):
Said, I'm choosing my own, just because he's a guy
who I really actually believe could have a decent curre
in the league. But with the way he's going, he
could be out the league in a couple of years,
you know. And that's the scary the line you told
as a running back, it's either you're like a guy,
a guy or the guy, and a guy ends up

(16:12):
at home with other guys.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
I with those four Moss, Benito, Nicks, and Hufhonga is
Moss Benito Knicks.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
I would say the guy of those four that has
the most to prove.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Would be Moss.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
Probably he's winning the pole right now out of those four.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Although I'll tell you this, I'm in the I really
think that that kid can play camp. And I know
there's some Broncos fans that whatever, don't don't agree, and
that's fine. I think he is. I think he is
really talented, he's got really good feet, he's long. One

(17:02):
of his issues is he plays the opposite of Pats
or Tan, so he gets a lot of every Sunday,
and he also gets judged in in a similar way.
And there are very few, if any corners right now
that if you said, hey, compare Pats or Tan to

(17:23):
and then just fill in the blank, whomever you put
in that blank is going to fall short of the comparison.
But Moss is. I think Moss will have a very
very good season.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
I really do.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
I appreciate you actually contributing to the polar I'll contribute to.

Speaker 4 (17:41):
The pole round because since I'm getting on this crap,
and I guess I would have to agree and say
Rodney Moss just because the first, you know, they went
and drafted a corner first round, and so in your
eyes you have to think you're getting relegated to nickelback
and it only goes down from there if you don't
get your if you don't get it together. So it's

(18:01):
at first they drafted somebody ahead, like drafted somebody to
take your spot, because you know, like Dave said, though
you're right your opposite of patser Tan. So what you're
going to get is a bunch of targets because nobody's
really gonna try to It's just like the read This
Island days when nobody was trying to target him. So
the other corner is getting attacked like crazy. But then

(18:21):
all right, so you already got drafted, our first round
pick drafted over you. But then noun so you can
relegated to nickel because obviously they thought that a rookie
coming out was a better outside corner or a betched
better corner.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
I don't. I don't necessarily think I thought changed. I changed.

Speaker 4 (18:36):
I changed, but I didn't say I changed it from
outside corner to better corner, because obviously he was the
best one available in their eyes.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
They didn't think he was.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
Going to be there.

Speaker 4 (18:44):
But the issue with Riley Moss, though, is you know
he did. He had he had some ups last year,
but then he also he struggled. And so if you
have another and we already know about this, if you
have another year like that, you're going to get replaced
to get and out of that list you just gave me.
That's one of the only guys that will get replaced

(19:05):
if he has a down year would be Riley Moss
because everybody else is on a deal and paid, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
So well, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (19:13):
So if he messed, if he doesn't go through and
come through with the way he's supposed to and actually
play goodball, there's going to be a new corner that's
gonna be the nickel or the outside corner next year.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
See, I think Moss will remain outside. I think he
entertain will play outside. I think Baron will play the
Nickels some there'll be some snaps the Baron is outside,
depending on whatever personnel group they're in, whatever package they're in.
And I think Baron sort of fell into the Broncos laps.

(19:42):
I mean I think they had their board, they stuck
to their board, and then when they came to their pick,
they're like, this is the best player, like and this
is the best player by far. We didn't think he'd
be here. We're taking him. So in this league, with
how the game is set up up, when you face
Patrick Mahomes twice a year, and you get Joe Burrow

(20:04):
coming up this year and other great quarterbacks, you can't
have enough really good corners. And there was this significant
I mean you have Certan and then he had Moss,
and then under that you've got I mean you you
wanted to play in some young dudes. Last year Chris
Abrams Drain played and who knows, I mean he would

(20:28):
I would think he would be more challenged with the
pick of Baron than a guy like Rich Moss.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
Quick questioning nothing to do with defense, but offensive wise,
I've built the whole ANFC West, who has the best
receiving Corps because actually, if you really look at it,
it's no one that's blowing anyone out of the water
with the receiving corp right now in the AFC West.
And honestly, I lowki almost make an argument it could

(20:57):
be the Broncos with the best receiving core in the
AFC West.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
You're talking about wide receivers or just received. So with Kansas,
if Kansas City gets.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
Rice back healthy and you have Xavier Worthy injury though
no he.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Did, I mean I don't even know his status. I'm
not sure if he's expected.

Speaker 4 (21:16):
I mean, he's going to be back for training. He's
going to be back for training.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
They'll be They'll be a lot better with him, a lot.
I mean, they will be improved from where they were
last year. But I'm I'm with you. I I think
that you look at the Chargers. I mean, one of
the first things Jim Harbad did when he came in
he got you, got rid of Mike Williams and Allen.

Speaker 7 (21:42):
Right, so you have I'm palm uh Trey Palmer, Josh Palmer. No,
he's that's right. So who are the Chargers?

Speaker 1 (21:54):
N Well, they took the kid from Georgia yet McConkie.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
Who's real Quin Johnson, who's the kid from TCU.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
They brought back Mike Williams.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
Oh, they brought back Mike Williams. Yep, I didn't see that.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
I didn't see that either, yeap. So, but that's not
I mean, really, if I'm justin Herbert, it's kind of
an interesting marriage.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
I mean, I like Jim Harbaugh. We want to get
to the playoffs. He's changed the culture. He's not going
to be a guy that wants to throw it all
that much.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
No, in the design of it, right, I mean, you
invested your very first pick as the head coach, you
invested in an offensive line. Your first round pick this
year was running back. You're you're clearly telling everybody this
is what we want to be able to do. It
makes sense based on his background. I say this about
the pole question, and the only reason I would maybe
make the argument for bon Nix is because and he's
got a longer leash than I think Riley Moss. So,

(22:47):
to point to your point both of you, Riley Moss
has the much shorter leash. If he's struggling, the Broncos
have options. They don't really have options. If bon Nicks
is struggling out there. But the thing about it is
there are a lot of people out there that are
waiting to pounce on boon Knicks is not going to
be a premier quarterback, right He's not going to be
a top ten guy. He's not going to be a

(23:08):
franchise guy. And I'm not even talking about some of
the studings that you said after the Browns game. I'm saying,
in general, the consensus out there is, well, Bonnicks had
a very high floor coming into the league, and Sean
Payton has done a lot to continue to develop him
and make him good. Who's consensus the national narrow on
Bonix is still not certain on him?

Speaker 3 (23:28):
Well, I haven't seen any of that. I'll say I haven't,
But also.

Speaker 4 (23:33):
I guess in that same instance, I haven't seen anything
really talking about him like Hoyle.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
I see.

Speaker 4 (23:38):
I'm just saying how CD Stroud was hyped up after
his rookie year.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
But we talked about you had the who had the
poll Pro Football Focus? The ranked team is the twelfth
best quarterback coming in?

Speaker 1 (23:49):
Was that pro?

Speaker 2 (23:50):
I mean, I just number one. I don't believe there's
a consensus out there that bo Nicks is not the
guy or still has everything to prove like he did
when he came out of Oregon. I mean, anybody that
understands football to watch that kid the first year that
would say, yeah, but I don't know, I think he's

(24:11):
going to be, you know, not very good.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
I just don't understand. To me, you've you've.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Got a predisposition just not to like the guy.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
Now that is exactly right, because there's another one where
it's a site that he's continued to sort of look
for all the reasons why not to give him any love,
and they ranked him nineteenth.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
He sure as him?

Speaker 4 (24:28):
Or is it they don't like Sean Payton because that's
also you know, you always hear randomly that like you know,
he might rub some people the wrong way with his
you know, if his attitude, but you know, there's nothing
and boldness is played that should show that he's the
nineteenth best quarterback in the league. Like you know what,
I mean, he's way better than that.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
I would ask, like, what's not to like about him?
I mean, honestly, it means off or on the field.

Speaker 4 (24:53):
I always said this though, like like I said before,
when Ryan just tried to throw shade again, the last
Like what I said is that his decision making wasn't
the best of our game because it wasn't the best, Yeah,
but he got better throughout the year, and and that's
something that is going to come with reps though. So
it's I think he's going to take you know this,

(25:13):
It's going to be two things, because people always talk
about the software slump because you see what CJ. Stroud
had and you know, and people are so concerned about
that second year. But I think it's more. I think
the Broncos are doing, you know, Bothnicks doing a solid
by both Knicks by investing in their run game, you
know what I mean, like trying to find a legitimate
and signing the JK. Dobbins and and really trying to

(25:36):
you know, set up the team so it's more run
than it was last year because they weren't getting much
efficiency out of it, and both Knicks still had the
season he had, So imagine if they can actually get
some run out of the running backs and and and
actually get a ground game going, Botknicks will have even
a better season because then.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
It's not all on him.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
I would say this, I think you were a right
Shelby in terms of when the Bronco was played the Browns,
he made some he made some throws where you're like, wow,
and I haven't seen that since maybe week one. But
if you go look at his numbers for the year, right,
I mean, thirty seven hundred yards, twenty nine touchdowns, twelve picks,

(26:21):
completion rate of sixty six. How many in the first
four weeks. We had four in the first two games, That's.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
What I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (26:28):
So how many like so think about his because he
didn't throw a touchdown pass until week three? Week three,
he threw more than four interceptions in those three weeks.
So his stats, even when he finally got on tracker,
even better than what they actually really are. You know
what I mean, Like, if you take out that first
couple of weeks of you know, just all welcome you
said that the.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
First two weeks he had twenty nine touchdown passes and
eight picks.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
That's the hell of a season.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
And that's and that's why it says, you know, you're
just looking for a reason to People are just looking
for a reason, not the hype of the Broncos.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
This is the reason why something to prove for Bonix
is because there are people out there again, does tho
those Peel's voices may not necessarily matter, But if he
does take any sort of slide or whatever version of that,
that looks like there will be people out there sort
of waiting to pounce.

Speaker 6 (27:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (27:15):
But the issue, and this is when I see when
I hear something to prove it means either you doing
it this year or you're gonna be gone. Bonus won't
be gone.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
I don't understand why people would be waiting to pounce
because he is Again, my question's not the like about
him like off the field. I'm a Baker Mayfield fan,
but Baker Mayfield has sort of had the personality at
times that he'd rub people the wrong way because he

(27:48):
was in your face. He was cocky, he was arrogant,
He had total confidence in his game. He'd say whatever,
Oh Nicks is not like that. Now he may he
still may be really confident, But in terms of his
presentation what he says, he's not said anything that I
can think of that would have people waiting to like

(28:10):
jump on him and say, see, I told you so,
who are those people?

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Well? A lot of it stems from to the point
you guys made about preconceived ideas of what he is,
and well, I meanway, I don't want to go. There's
a multitude websites that I'm sort of resourcing here.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
You must get off those.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
You must get off My life would extend almost immediately.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
You must refrain from those.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
But I think that there's this perception that Sean Payton,
through smoke and mirrors, was able to make Bonix maybe
look better than he actually is. And those people out
there are are again they don't matter what it is respect.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
To Isn't that his coach's job, though, I mean really
good coaches, aren't they to make you look better than
you are at times?

Speaker 1 (28:54):
It is? But the investment in this this direction, like
we're we're heading down the track in the Bonicks era
right right, And the only thing that would derail it
is if he is not everything that he was last
year and can't build on that. Okay, Like so, if
he can't do those kinds of things, then the entire
trajectory of what we're believing the Broncos can be chips.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Let me ask you this, because I don't go to
the websites you go to, Well, there's that one, So
what what what is the general, what is the general
consensus on those websites about Justin Herbert.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Most of the people of them, they absolutely love Justin.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Because he's got a big arm. He's six', five he's two,
forty he can, run he looks the. Part he's got
a shotgun of an. Arm he hasn't won a playoff
game in his. Career, NOW i would submit with people
on those websites that if we get into the fifth

(29:55):
season For bonnicks and he hasn't won a playoff, game
then all those people would be, saying, oh Bo nixy
hadn't won a playoff. Game BUT i don't hear anybody, say,
Well Justin herbert hadn't won a playoff.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
Game but also off of what you're saying too about
what if his second, year you, know he has a
down year and everyone starts writing off The. Broncos nobody's
riding off The TEXANS mc child like completely through literally
through seven more, picks three less, touchdowns and four hundred
less yards lower completion. Percentage and it actually went from

(30:29):
one hundred rating to a eighty seven. Rating but like
no one's, saying, hey give up one of The.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
Texans you know WHAT i?

Speaker 4 (30:35):
Mean no one's saying The texans aren't going.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
To be good this.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Year but it's not An Apples staples, conversation even though
both both playing. Quarterback it's about the division they play,
in THE Afc west versus THE Afc, south and THE
Afc south is still expected to be a down year
for that.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
Group it might be a down year for THE Afc
west except.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
For, please.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
Except for The.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
Broncos And i'm The chargers and The Charger iron The.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
Charger it might be a downing for The chiefs this.
YEAR i believe The.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
Chiefs it's still double did you? Wins we'll see you
want to you want to put stay with your, chest
put something out, there what.

Speaker 6 (31:13):
You want to?

Speaker 3 (31:13):
Do, BABY i told you, That i'll be on the,
tables the.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
TABLES i told You ryan's got a six and got
six showing what you.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
Want to want to do. Something i'm, here double, yeah double.
Down but you don't think The raiders With Pete carroll
gonna be?

Speaker 4 (31:35):
Better that they have an awful, roster but like they
have a bunch of holes in their.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
Rochet And.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
I'll tell you, THIS i, BELIEVE i truly actually. Believe
here we go that if any year for The broncos
to win the. Division this is the year good enough