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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'll tell you why I think the Pacers might have
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a bit more edge in this game coming up on Sunday.
We'll get to that coming up atter five thirty. But
in the meantime, a lot of really good interactions here
on the text line. We appreciate you guys rolling with
us here on a Friday. I hope you guys are
getting ready for a very fun weekend. I know Shelby's
getting ready to go see the weekend specifically.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I know what thet me. Oh my god, I cannot wait.
I like I I like concerts, don't get me wrong,
but it's very rare when I actually go to go
see an artist that like, I really want to go see.
Except for Kay Cuddy my freshman year in college. Great
greatest concert ever?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
But this is the best concert ever been too? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
By far Dave, what's your best? What's the best concert ever?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Been?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
To?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Edit? I saw the Gap banded James.
Speaker 5 (00:46):
I saw the Gap band and gosh who was in
front of the Gap band in the round in Cleveland?
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Our first concert was Mary J. Black what Ames? No
I got?
Speaker 5 (01:03):
I got forced to go because my mom gave a
boy your cat, mister Jingles no.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
So I just remember it was because Summerfest. If you
guys don't know anything about Summerfest in Milwaukee, it's a
bunch of free stages and then it's a couple of
paid stages. You have to you just have to pay
to get into the festival. And so Mary J. Blige
is at a free stage. So the whole thing is
you got to get there early to save your seats
and you got to sit there. Well, my mom had
us get there like five hours early.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Way, it was the most. That's the only thing I
remember was how miserable.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Like even international flights are like three.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
No, no, because that's like from back from Italy to
Chicago was ten.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
You know, I'm saying you have to get there three
hours early, Jesus five hours early.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
No, because I'm telling you Mary jj mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
You know I'm a fan. Yeah, he doesn't know.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
I honestly, I kind of felt that after I said,
you listen, I love you as much as let me
take that the right way, don't you know what do
I don't Would I not know about Mary J. Bliche,
I would just I would just say he didn't know,
and I'd leave it at that. Yeah, is this Is
this a white thing?
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Is that what I'm trying. I'm trying to ParvE a
way for you to get out of this. I just
said he didn't know. I don't know. It's okay. And
if we were playing cards, I said, deal them. They
were over here.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
They weren't listening to maj they weren't listen to Mary
New Mexico.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
We were not listening to Mary Jane. That's fair. That
is that is absolutely fair. But I've been I've been
in Coloradson's ninety eight, so it's not like a anyways fair.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
I don't know. I'll say it's fine. I can live
with that.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
My my favorite concert, because I know you were asking, uh,
the Horde Festival, Dave Matthews, Blues Traveler, Rusted Roots, and
Lenny Kravitz.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
That actually sounds like a phenomenal concert.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Thirty five bucks. Those are the days that right.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Now that you would not even have an opportunity to
even listen from outside the stadium for thirty five.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Bucks right now, Wow, one of the best tickets I've
ever even Actually the Stones.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Where was this in Albuquerque? This was yeah that I
was eighteen. I think it's a nice Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
There's that's thirty five bucks for all those legends. Yeah,
that's that's wild. But now that's the five hundred dollars ticket.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I know.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
It was amazing, Yeah, it was. It was really really cool.
I want to ask you. We were talking a little
bit about Nick Bido yesterday and somebody had tweeted this
at me, and I hadn't thought about it in terms
of George Payton's history of trading edge rushers, and because
they were saying, well, hey, if Nick Benito they can't
come to a contract extension, he might be gone by
the trade deadline. Because George Peyton has traded Bradley Chubb,
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Baron Browning, Randy Gregory, and Von Miller all the trade deadline,
so he is out of history.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Now.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
I they're different, Yeah, rising you know what I mean.
Chubb was coming off serious knee injury, and there was
question two two serious knee injuries, and I think there
was question whether or not he was going to be
able to kind of work his way back. Von I
think it plateaued and I mean could still play, but
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you just knew that they weren't going to give him
that kind of money.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
They wanted to send, you know, he wanted to go
to a Super Bowl contender, you know.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Randy Gregory, and trade unto the forty nine ers. I mean, he,
you know, wasn't very productive.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Like I get the the you know, the comparison, but
it's not even close to the same type of situation.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Nick.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Benito is you know, an all pro like and hopefully
for years to come, you know, and Chubb. I always
say Chubb was coming off those injuries and so that
was really the main like push for him for for
them trading them and.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
Were trying to get draft choices too. Remember that, I
mean the Broncos.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
So I would I.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
Would say this about Benito. I think the Broncos eventually
we'll get that deal done. I'm not sure they feel
a real sense of urgency now. I mean players, we all,
we all want to get ours like yesterday, and I
get that from Benito's standpoint, although he really hadn't said
anything publicly.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
So but.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Now as we kind of forecast this thing as George
starts dealing with Benito's agent, and I think this this
would be conjecture on my part. If you start talking
about numbers and their numbers are like what I'll call
you back and you move a little bit and their
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numbers are still what you you. I think the Broncos
would come to a position at and I don't think
this is going to happen, but I think if it did,
I think any team and the Broncos would be right
in there too, that would come to a position say hey, listen,
he's not and this is what it's going to cost.
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So are we good paying this? Because if we're not,
we need to move him now and get something in
return for him.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
So That's where I'm going with this.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Is is because again, Bradley Chubb was in a contract
year right, he was doing a contract. They decided we
need the draft picks. He's not part of what we're
going to be doing going forward. We're just gonna move
him and get a first round which was great. They
use that to bring in Sean Payton as part of
the trade. Made a lot of sense. Von Miller, You're
absolutely right. Gave him a chance to win a championship
with the Rams. YEP, made a lot of sense there, Gregory,
you want to you got to just move him out.
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That was whatever you get for him. And then with
Baron Browning last year to Arizona, I think was also
kind of like, hey, we have.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
A we have a plethora the room.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
The room was crowded, Yes, it was crowded, and you
were trying to find snaps for everybody, and we had
some guys that are performing. It feels like it would
have to be that scenario, and I don't want to
go doomsday. It would have to be the we're so
far apart that we don't see us closing the gap
by the time this thing comes to free agency. And
now we have, as we're painting a picture, Dondra Tillman,
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who had five sacks last year, playing really well. We
have Keate Robinson who we drafted on Day three this year.
He's playing pretty well, and we already gave Jonathan Cooper
a contract extension, and you sort of start the wheels
turning on what is that room going to look like?
Especially if we can't get there with Nick. That's what
I'm talking.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
The difference is most of those other teams weren't competing
for like for playoffs. You know, they weren't coming off
the season before where they had just made the playoffs
and now they're trying to build on that. You know,
all you know with Chubb. It was a you know,
team was struggling, you know, with a lot of those guys.
When Vonn got traded, the team was struggling. And that's
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the difference and Randy. You know, obviously, Randy, they just
wanted to give reps to the younger player. But I
think you're in a different time right now with the
Broncos because their idea. You know, they have a window
right here. You know, you don't have to pay your quarterback,
and that's really when you start paying everybody else. You
don't have to pay your quarterback. So I don't think
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you give up on Benito, even if you know you
have franchise tags. Granted every player hates them, but you
do have franchise tags. I don't think. I don't think
they get rid of them.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I don't think that's even an option because they're trying
to compete, and so it's not necessarily the time to
see if the younger guys can if they have it
or not, you know what I mean, I get it.
You know, Tilman had five sacks on a limited basis,
on an limited role. But if you let's say you
get ten wins again, eleven wins and eleven wins go
to the playoffs, you're gonna need Nick Medino and that,
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and that's really you know the gist of it. You're
going to need him down to stretch when these games
really matter.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
He's got this one plus one right. No, this is
this last year, so you would have to franchise him. Yes,
And so the theory that you're talking about that you
see online is that the Broncos, if they can't make
a deal, would move him like in October of this
coming fall.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Correct. I would be very surprised. Now, I do think this.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
I think teams continue their evaluation, and I think you
have different levels of love when it comes to your players.
And you know what, I think they look at him
as a really good young player. Do they look at
him as one of the five to seven elite edge
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pass rushers in the game. The honest answer to that
is I'm not sure. I don't know. I think they
think he's a really good young player who made a
whole buttler to plays last year. Do they look at
him as a top seven edge pass thrusher and we
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got to figure out how to keep that guy because
he is a game wreckord?
Speaker 3 (10:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
And if that is the case, because he's going to
want to be paid like a top five.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Maybe now maybe maybe.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
I mean, you know, ideally we all want to be
paid like top five something. But I'm just saying I
don't think Nick Benito seems like a really smart young
guy to me, doesn't doesn't seem completely unreasonable. So if
I mean, throw a number out, if the Broncos made
an offer for Benito and it's a you know, twenty
five million, So if they come up with a three
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year and he's young, so you've come up with a
three year deal, the average of that twenty five million,
so you got seven Let's say you got a seventy
four million dollar deal and forty seven million over three
years will be guaranteed.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Good. Is that a good deal from your standpoint? Benito?
Probably not. I think that's a good deal. Forty seven
million guaranteed over three years.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
I think you'd have to up the guarantees if you
want to. You know, if you're going to do a
deal like that, a three year like seventy four, I
would have to say about fifty five fifty five guarantee.
Fifty eight around here would have to be guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Okay, because right right now, Montez sweat Rashan Garrier at
twenty four and twenty four and a half. TJ Wat's
twenty eight and he wants a new deal. But it's TJ.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Watt. Brian Burns.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
He recently got his deal done at twenty eight. Josh Heinzell.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Let me just stop right there.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
Do we think that Nick Benito's is good as players
Brian Burns, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
I think he plays to run better, and so in
that aspect, obviously we know what Brian Burns can do
pass rush wise, but I do like the way Menito
plays the run.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
They gave up two.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
Number ones for Brian Burns, so I continue just to
throw stuff against the wall. So if somebody called in
October and the Broncos at that point are in five
and said we're gonna give you two number ones for Benito.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
It's done. You love done trading you trade him. Yeah, yeah,
you're moving them. That's one in a day. Two would
be probably enough.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Of that place. That's that's just tough because then you're
rebuilding at the end again.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Are you are?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
You've been bringing in guys every single year, yeah, for
this reason.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
But you can't assume that they're going to step up
and have an impact that a Nick Benito. That is true,
and that's what I feel like is missing. And like
in all of this, it's the impact that Nick Benito
brings to this game. I can tell you firsthand what
he did to us in Cleveland, like when we played here,
Like I can tell you first.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Ran into the north end zone with the ball.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Exactly and he was ahead of a bunch of pressures,
you know what I mean like that, And that's what
I'm saying, Like he does, he upped his game to
a play.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
Would you say, would anybody here say, I'm asking not
to lead the witness that Nick Benito is a top
seven edge player in this league right now.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
I would say this. I would say to say, well, if.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
The answer to that hypothetical question is yes, then I
think you have to pay.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
I don't think I think you have to pay.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Don't if you don't up your top four money. So
we can say top seven it say top seven would
be out twenty five million.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
But that's not how the that's just not how it works.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
But if he wants top three, a top four money,
Montes sat well, I was starting around the twenty five million,
so we go up. Okay, so Josh heinz Allen with
Jacksonville's got twenty eight two, Joey bost is at thirty four,
so then we have a pretty big jump. Max Crosby's
at thirty five to five, Daniel Hunter's at thirty five
to six, and of course miles of forty.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
So there's the difference.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
I think a guy like Max Crosby, that level of
edge pass rusher is a is a game wrecker.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Guy.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
So Benito probably comes in on the next level. So
you're saying the next level is twenty five.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Million, eight, So it dropped from thirty four to twenty
eight from Nick Bosa to Josh Heinzewer.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Can you know he can't control the fact that other
players are getting paid, but if you know any no
one can control that. But the market is what the
market is. You can't like, you can't sit here and
be like, oh, I don't want to pay him twenty nine.
But if that's what the market is, that's what he's
gonna get. And I think that's where we have to realize.
Like I granted it would be great to say you
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want to get him at twenty five, but more realistically,
it's gonna be a twenty nine thirty, you know, Like
that's just the realistic number because that's for sure what
he would get in free agency.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
So I'm saying for sure.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Like because it's going to be a bidding war, it's
going to be multiple teams that want them, and it's
gonna start at twenty seven and it's gonna get up
to thirty maybe thirty one. Like that's what's going to
be all a contract if he goes to free agency.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
And so it's a matter of that's why.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
If you've come to that conclusion, then you have to
trade him.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Yeah, but you can't. You can't allow that.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
The Broncos would not allow him to get to free
agency if they don't sign him. If they try all
year long, can't get a deal, then the worst thing
they'll they'll franchise him, but they will not let him
walk away for nothing.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
I don't even think that's a good idea of franchise.
I think you get the deal done. You get the
deal done because you have no I'm just saying they
would franchise him before they let him walk away from
because you have four years left of a cheaper bow knicks.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Well, if really three years.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
With with a not really three years with a fifth
year option, you get two two years with okay, two
years with a fifth year option.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
No, you have two years because you usually if it's
your guy, you pay him after three.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, but I don't see I'm not gonna lie to you.
If they're in a position to compete like that, I
don't see it happening because they're going to have to
pay all these other people in order to play.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
You don't make the quarterback ways.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
I've seen Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Oh boy, that's an unexamed Yeah, Joe, even Joe Burrow
handles you know.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Well, no, but they only player in Bengals, his Bengals,
you know. But that's the thing that's like some you know,
you might have to depending on how It's all dependent
on how you're competing at that point.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
By the way, I'm having this conversation, I was asking
you guys about this sort of regardless of how he plays.
In fact, to Day's point, if you're negotiating with him
and he's racking up the sacks, hey, listen, that's good
news for the Broncos because they're they're playing he's playing
well and the team is probably winning. But on the
other side of that thing is that that only drives
up his price, and it also drives up his trade value.
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So I think that there's a win in all of
us for everybody. You want to keep him. I'm not
even saying like I want to trade him. I'm saying
that the broncos of history of doing these kinds of things.
And there's a scenario where Dave just painted it. You
get to October and it's like, a y, we're just
not close.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Well, I just I'm a big believer of when you
have a good player, keep them, because who knows if
that draft pick is going to be what you think
is going to be.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
Who knows.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
There could be a draft light this year where people
were like, there's no bona fide first rounders other than
like the first five, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
So when you have a bar like that, always.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Say keep them because they're one in a million. And
you see so often how often people swing and miss
on draft picks, and so it's no guarantee you you know,
you get two picks for them, it's no guarantee you
get any star Blacks. Look at look at the Raiders
with the clone mach trade. Are any of those players
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on the team anymore?
Speaker 1 (17:41):
That's the Raiders. Hey, no offense know that you have
a lot of love for the Raiders, but.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
I'm just saying in general, that's it could happen to anybody.
Scouting is not one hundred percent sure thing. So when
you have a good player, you keep them.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
Winston takes a snap, protection is good with a three
man rush, who throws the ball?
Speaker 4 (17:59):
Satercept in intercept the thirty five, It's gonna be a house.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Call down the sideline thirty twenty five twenty fifteen.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Ten five touchdown.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
That is Nick Panito seventy one yards as Nick Panito
with an interception return for a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
That was just that was such a wacky game. It
was a really fun game to play and like.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
A game to call too. Yeah, like the whole game.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
You're like, all right, they could go either way, you
know what I mean, it's just trading blows. And then
the way it ended, it was just like I knowing
better than this, Like I'm just praying for the Lord
to deliver me from pick sixes.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Who's that that? He said it with a straight face too.
Herian dead. That's serious. That's Janus. I'll tell my dog.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
I'll tell you he was being completely serious. But you
know I love it. I love a quarterback. Hey, anything
anything to not throw pick sixes anymore.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
That was a good, good job there with Mary J.
Bliche there Grant on a Friday, very good. So I
do want to ask you guys really quick as we
were gonna we were talking about the NBA Finals in
Game seven coming up on Sunday, I do think as
neither team have played in a Game seven before, guy,
give a little bit of edge to the Pacers here
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not only the momentum of this thing, but their head
coach has actually one of finals with Mavericks.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Here's a good question for you.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
If Indiana wins on Sunday night, Rick Carlisle will have
won his second NBA championship with two different teams. How
many coaches NBA head coaches have won multiple championships with
different organizations?
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Larry Phil Jackson, Phil Jackson is one. I don't think
Larry Brown Brown on the Detroit what's his name with
Miami not.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
I think pat Riley did with one with Miami and
obviously one in Los Angeles.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
That's a good that's a good question.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
I don't think there's any There may be one other coach,
but it's old school.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
I know it's never happened in the NFL that a
coach is one with multiple teams.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
I think the guy that used to coach here in Denver,
I think Alex Hannam may may have happen. Alex Alex
Hannam won one in.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
With Philadelphia and the St. Louis Hawks. Okay, so three.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
So Rick Carlisle, who I think has absolutely won the
coaching matchup in this series. If I'm Mark Dagnall, I'm thinking,
damn man, I got to figure. I mean he I
got to pick up my stuff and get us ready
for Sunday. But yeah, he would be on the fourth
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NBA coach ever to win multiple championships with different organizations.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Now that's historic.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
I mean, do you agree that that he's I mean,
we're talking about the matchups for what Game seven is,
and I again I still lean the Thunder. But he
will get these guys ready.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
He he knows what this way.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
Wait a minute, a minute ago, you just you said
how Indiana has the edge, and now a minute later
you say, I still lean the Thunder, So what the
hell lean is it?
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Lean?
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Is it a very slight a very slight head nod
this way?
Speaker 1 (21:37):
This is why you call me the teeter totter man man. No, listen,
I say, from an X factor standpoint, the coaching matchups
has very much tilted.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
And patis agree with that. But you talent answered the question.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
The talent factor with the on the court factor for
the Thunder.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
I agree with that too. You still haven't answered the
question which team? Which? Which team? I mean.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
The same way we were outside talking earlier, and I
could have sworn he said that the Pacers were going
to be the team, because he.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Probably did he then he came then I came in here.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
It's like the Thunder going to win, Like, oh gosh,
I know right, No, But I'll tell you this. Rick
Carlisle has put on a coaching clinic really his playoffs
because his team and everyone else his eyes every matchup,
this team has been overmatched and all he's done is
going out there and I'll coach every coaching I think also,
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he might not like this. I think Rick Carla is
the oldest coach to get his team into an NBA finals.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
He likes Rick's sixteen six. Yarry, No, I don't think Larry.
How old was Larry when he got well, no, in
Detroit it was in the early odds.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
So Larry Brown is now eighty.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Like five and four, so he was sixty four?
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Wow, Okay, I saw the staff flash across the screen earlier.
Today he's the older he would be the oldest coach.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Well yeah, but a guy who you know, had to
kind of like reinvent himself after he left Dallas, and
you know it kind of wrote nobody really kind of
took them series, taking this Indiana job, and look how
quickly he's turned around the Pacers.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
See.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Well, I don't know if you guys agree with this.
I would argue that Mark Deagnall has cost Oklahoma City
a couple of games in this postseason run.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Well, yeah, we saw the game against Denver when they
were fouling to early. Yes, and then even I look
at it, not even making adjustments has costing your team games.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
And well, since we're he's sort of second guessing Mark
Deagnel here, and he changed his lineup before Game one.
You had the best team, the best record.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Uh, You've you've.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
Basically dominated the NBA in the way that we haven't
seen in many, many years. And before Game one of
the finals, you change your starting lineup and you basically,
I mean, I'm sure you didn't try to, but by
doing that, you take you take your bigs out, and
you you you play small ball with a team that
wants to and loves to and is really good at
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playing small ball. So yeah, I mean, he's gotta I
still think Oak City will win Sunday, but you man,
I don't. I don't feel nearly as confident, not at all, like, not.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
At all, just the way that a one small a
couple of small tweaks and in again, his game plan
completely threw okay, see off. It's tough to ride with
a team game seven after they just got their ass
a game six. But I've been, you know, I'm I'm
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rooting for the Pacers. I have been. I'm rooting for
the underdog. And and honestly, after all the prep that
was talked about this series and and people saying that
was gonna be boring, who cares?
Speaker 3 (25:00):
This has been one hell of the series. It really has.
I mean last night was it.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Well, there's only been two games that really have been
kind of laughers last night's game, and there was a
game two right, Oklahoma City.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Just throttled the Pacers.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
But every other game has had just brilliant moments. But
that the reason I wanted to talk about the coaching
is at somebody's killing me on the text line saying like, hey,
you're the best tap dancer of all the time. I'm
telling you, I'm picking the Thunder to win this game.
But I'll say it like this. I have more faith,
I guess is the way I should have started this.
I have more faith that Rick Carlisle is going to
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do the right things on Sunday nights. They're Mark Dagnell.
I have more faith that Rick Carlisle will have his
guys ready, and Mark Dagnel will probably second guess and
do too many cute things to put himself in a
position and maybe even screw up his team.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
And I think I always feel like with a young
team like that, you need an older veteran coach to
kind of even out the youth. But you know, Mark
Dagnoll has done a hell of a job, done a
great a great job with this team. But in these finals,
this game, this game seven, you know, the last game
to win it all. You know, you have to give
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the edge to Carl out because of who he is
and he's been there before, no matter. And this is
the best part about it. Game seven, winner, take all.
Throw all the regular season records out. None of it matters, good,
none of it matters. It's one game to win it all,
and I do. I can't wait. You Dog and Shelby,
you know, in one year and right out the other.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Just throw all the record books out. I just it's
one of my favorite cliches. We just say that nice
tat dancer. It's good. That's good.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
I did very consistent about the Thunder all season.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
But for the reason, you guys keep forgetting that I've
been very consistent about the Thunder all season long words now, well,
the Thunder and the Timberwolves have been your teams.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
I will give you that tip. Timber Wolves.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
I just I was afraid of them because of the
matchup with the Nuggets.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
They're not like my team.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
I know, I'm gonna how much didn't like their matchup,
but the Nuggets, I said, scary NBA.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
That's c A r T. You were scared.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Su Merwin Day was mewing at you earlier that.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Was why was that Dave? That was the sound effect?
That's not me?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Okay, great as quick on those buttons back there. That's amazing.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
It's a pro baby. I love your feet, Ryan.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
I wish I had this kind of dexterity and nobility
to you know how much skills.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
This actually takes. So, I know we talked trash while tap.
This is so hard to do. We don't talk trash
about I'm not talking about us. I'm talking about in
general joke like, oh, tap dance.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Trick like trash talk and Jesse is about tap dance.
What part have you been to? Well, I know this
is what you were doing at the club that could.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Be don't try, don't even try. Don't even try.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
So I guess just for a moment because we talked about.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
It in the first segment.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Jaylen Williams going from forty points to minus forty in
the plus minus has got to be one of the
most startling things that I could have seen last night.
I gotta imagine he's going to bounce back, Shay obviously
a huge opportunity to bounce back.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
You know. The one thing that I.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Have to give the pacers credit for, and I'll say
that I was wrong on this yesterday, that that Tyrese
Haliburton that he wasn't maybe he wasn't everything he could be,
but he had some timely shots.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
He didn't look I didn't see any indication that there
was anything wrong. I mean, good for him, Yeah, sure
with his calf what he said, calf strain, like even
first degree calf's train. I'm thinking, oh man, that's gonna
be hard for him. Anybody's ever had that you you
can't run, And he was.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
He was out there like doing his things. So I
guess good on him.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
So who's the guy for you, Shelby, Who's who's the
guy that maybe that that's gonna surprise us a little
bit or that you you think can kind of tip
this thing one way or the other nice, you.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Know, because it's just it seems like whenever a big
play it needs to be made, it's as a Hallerburdon
or nim Hart like well I'm talking about but a
bit like a big play down to a big three
that needs to be had. Last night, that was that
was nasty. I was washing on my phone while I
was watering.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
My grass, the the no look past from Alburton and.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Oh it was that was that was nice. That definitely
put the little stamp on on that game. But if
nim Hard can just hit those big shots, and you know,
and I always say this too, he's valuable for this
Pacers team. When everything kind of breaks down, there's five
seconds left from the on the shot clock, he starts
dribbling a little bit and he does a little step
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back and it's been.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
He shot at last game.
Speaker 5 (30:02):
Another game is where it's like, dude, you got to
shoot that take that shot, right?
Speaker 1 (30:07):
So how about you dave anybody that you think could
swing this thing.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Maybe outside for Indiana.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Yeah, well, either for Indiana or if you want to go.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
I think this again, I think I've picked okayse I'm
going to stay with him. I don't have supreme confidence
in them, but I think at home this game will
come down to I think you'll get Sga at his best.
I think Jayalen Williams will be at his best. This
game will come down to guys like Caruso and Dort
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hitting wide open shots. If they hit them, the Thunder
gonna win it. And if they don't, then Indiana is
gonna have a chance to win this game.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Great job, Grant we got Rockets baseball coming up, next,
the long ball next couple of days. He's going to
be a lot to form Peter probably
I'll tell you why I think the Pacers might have
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a bit more edge in this game coming up on Sunday.
We'll get to that coming up atter five thirty. But
in the meantime, a lot of really good interactions here
on the text line. We appreciate you guys rolling with
us here on a Friday. I hope you guys are
getting ready for a very fun weekend. I know Shelby's
getting ready to go see the weekend specifically.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I know what thet me. Oh my god, I cannot wait.
I like I I like concerts, don't get me wrong,
but it's very rare when I actually go to go
see an artist that like, I really want to go see.
Except for Kay Cuddy my freshman year in college. Great
greatest concert ever?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
But this is the best concert ever been too? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
By far Dave, what's your best? What's the best concert ever?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Been?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
To?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Edit? I saw the Gap banded James.
Speaker 5 (00:46):
I saw the Gap band and gosh who was in
front of the Gap band in the round in Cleveland?
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Our first concert was Mary J. Black what Ames? No
I got?
Speaker 5 (01:03):
I got forced to go because my mom gave a
boy your cat, mister Jingles no.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
So I just remember it was because Summerfest. If you
guys don't know anything about Summerfest in Milwaukee, it's a
bunch of free stages and then it's a couple of
paid stages. You have to you just have to pay
to get into the festival. And so Mary J. Blige
is at a free stage. So the whole thing is
you got to get there early to save your seats
and you got to sit there. Well, my mom had
us get there like five hours early.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Way, it was the most. That's the only thing I
remember was how miserable.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Like even international flights are like three.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
No, no, because that's like from back from Italy to
Chicago was ten.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
You know, I'm saying you have to get there three
hours early, Jesus five hours early.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
No, because I'm telling you Mary jj mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
You know I'm a fan. Yeah, he doesn't know.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
I honestly, I kind of felt that after I said,
you listen, I love you as much as let me
take that the right way, don't you know what do
I don't Would I not know about Mary J. Bliche,
I would just I would just say he didn't know,
and I'd leave it at that. Yeah, is this Is
this a white thing?
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Is that what I'm trying. I'm trying to ParvE a
way for you to get out of this. I just
said he didn't know. I don't know. It's okay. And
if we were playing cards, I said, deal them. They
were over here.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
They weren't listening to maj they weren't listen to Mary
New Mexico.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
We were not listening to Mary Jane. That's fair. That
is that is absolutely fair. But I've been I've been
in Coloradson's ninety eight, so it's not like a anyways fair.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
I don't know. I'll say it's fine. I can live
with that.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
My my favorite concert, because I know you were asking, uh,
the Horde Festival, Dave Matthews, Blues Traveler, Rusted Roots, and
Lenny Kravitz.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
That actually sounds like a phenomenal concert.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Thirty five bucks. Those are the days that right.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Now that you would not even have an opportunity to
even listen from outside the stadium for thirty five.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Bucks right now, Wow, one of the best tickets I've
ever even Actually the Stones.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Where was this in Albuquerque? This was yeah that I
was eighteen. I think it's a nice Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
There's that's thirty five bucks for all those legends. Yeah,
that's that's wild. But now that's the five hundred dollars ticket.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I know.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
It was amazing, Yeah, it was. It was really really cool.
I want to ask you. We were talking a little
bit about Nick Bido yesterday and somebody had tweeted this
at me, and I hadn't thought about it in terms
of George Payton's history of trading edge rushers, and because
they were saying, well, hey, if Nick Benito they can't
come to a contract extension, he might be gone by
the trade deadline. Because George Peyton has traded Bradley Chubb,
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Baron Browning, Randy Gregory, and Von Miller all the trade deadline,
so he is out of history.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Now.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
I they're different, Yeah, rising you know what I mean.
Chubb was coming off serious knee injury, and there was
question two two serious knee injuries, and I think there
was question whether or not he was going to be
able to kind of work his way back. Von I
think it plateaued and I mean could still play, but
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you just knew that they weren't going to give him
that kind of money.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
They wanted to send, you know, he wanted to go
to a Super Bowl contender, you know.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Randy Gregory, and trade unto the forty nine ers. I mean, he,
you know, wasn't very productive.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Like I get the the you know, the comparison, but
it's not even close to the same type of situation.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Nick.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Benito is you know, an all pro like and hopefully
for years to come, you know, and Chubb. I always
say Chubb was coming off those injuries and so that
was really the main like push for him for for
them trading them and.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
Were trying to get draft choices too. Remember that, I
mean the Broncos.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
So I would I.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
Would say this about Benito. I think the Broncos eventually
we'll get that deal done. I'm not sure they feel
a real sense of urgency now. I mean players, we all,
we all want to get ours like yesterday, and I
get that from Benito's standpoint, although he really hadn't said
anything publicly.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
So but.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Now as we kind of forecast this thing as George
starts dealing with Benito's agent, and I think this this
would be conjecture on my part. If you start talking
about numbers and their numbers are like what I'll call
you back and you move a little bit and their
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numbers are still what you you. I think the Broncos
would come to a position at and I don't think
this is going to happen, but I think if it did,
I think any team and the Broncos would be right
in there too, that would come to a position say hey, listen,
he's not and this is what it's going to cost.
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So are we good paying this? Because if we're not,
we need to move him now and get something in
return for him.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
So That's where I'm going with this.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Is is because again, Bradley Chubb was in a contract
year right, he was doing a contract. They decided we
need the draft picks. He's not part of what we're
going to be doing going forward. We're just gonna move
him and get a first round which was great. They
use that to bring in Sean Payton as part of
the trade. Made a lot of sense. Von Miller, You're
absolutely right. Gave him a chance to win a championship
with the Rams. YEP, made a lot of sense there, Gregory,
you want to you got to just move him out.
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That was whatever you get for him. And then with
Baron Browning last year to Arizona, I think was also
kind of like, hey, we have.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
A we have a plethora the room.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
The room was crowded, Yes, it was crowded, and you
were trying to find snaps for everybody, and we had
some guys that are performing. It feels like it would
have to be that scenario, and I don't want to
go doomsday. It would have to be the we're so
far apart that we don't see us closing the gap
by the time this thing comes to free agency. And
now we have, as we're painting a picture, Dondra Tillman,
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who had five sacks last year, playing really well. We
have Keate Robinson who we drafted on Day three this year.
He's playing pretty well, and we already gave Jonathan Cooper
a contract extension, and you sort of start the wheels
turning on what is that room going to look like?
Especially if we can't get there with Nick. That's what
I'm talking.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
The difference is most of those other teams weren't competing
for like for playoffs. You know, they weren't coming off
the season before where they had just made the playoffs
and now they're trying to build on that. You know,
all you know with Chubb. It was a you know,
team was struggling, you know, with a lot of those guys.
When Vonn got traded, the team was struggling. And that's
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the difference and Randy. You know, obviously, Randy, they just
wanted to give reps to the younger player. But I
think you're in a different time right now with the
Broncos because their idea. You know, they have a window
right here. You know, you don't have to pay your quarterback,
and that's really when you start paying everybody else. You
don't have to pay your quarterback. So I don't think
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you give up on Benito, even if you know you
have franchise tags. Granted every player hates them, but you
do have franchise tags. I don't think. I don't think
they get rid of them.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I don't think that's even an option because they're trying
to compete, and so it's not necessarily the time to
see if the younger guys can if they have it
or not, you know what I mean, I get it.
You know, Tilman had five sacks on a limited basis,
on an limited role. But if you let's say you
get ten wins again, eleven wins and eleven wins go
to the playoffs, you're gonna need Nick Medino and that,
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and that's really you know the gist of it. You're
going to need him down to stretch when these games
really matter.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
He's got this one plus one right. No, this is
this last year, so you would have to franchise him. Yes,
And so the theory that you're talking about that you
see online is that the Broncos, if they can't make
a deal, would move him like in October of this
coming fall.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Correct. I would be very surprised. Now, I do think this.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
I think teams continue their evaluation, and I think you
have different levels of love when it comes to your players.
And you know what, I think they look at him
as a really good young player. Do they look at
him as one of the five to seven elite edge
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pass rushers in the game. The honest answer to that
is I'm not sure. I don't know. I think they
think he's a really good young player who made a
whole buttler to plays last year. Do they look at
him as a top seven edge pass thrusher and we
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got to figure out how to keep that guy because
he is a game wreckord?
Speaker 3 (10:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
And if that is the case, because he's going to
want to be paid like a top five.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Maybe now maybe maybe.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
I mean, you know, ideally we all want to be
paid like top five something. But I'm just saying I
don't think Nick Benito seems like a really smart young
guy to me, doesn't doesn't seem completely unreasonable. So if
I mean, throw a number out, if the Broncos made
an offer for Benito and it's a you know, twenty
five million, So if they come up with a three
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year and he's young, so you've come up with a
three year deal, the average of that twenty five million,
so you got seven Let's say you got a seventy
four million dollar deal and forty seven million over three
years will be guaranteed.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Good. Is that a good deal from your standpoint? Benito?
Probably not. I think that's a good deal. Forty seven
million guaranteed over three years.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
I think you'd have to up the guarantees if you
want to. You know, if you're going to do a
deal like that, a three year like seventy four, I
would have to say about fifty five fifty five guarantee.
Fifty eight around here would have to be guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Okay, because right right now, Montez sweat Rashan Garrier at
twenty four and twenty four and a half. TJ Wat's
twenty eight and he wants a new deal. But it's TJ.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Watt. Brian Burns.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
He recently got his deal done at twenty eight. Josh Heinzell.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Let me just stop right there.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
Do we think that Nick Benito's is good as players
Brian Burns, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
I think he plays to run better, and so in
that aspect, obviously we know what Brian Burns can do
pass rush wise, but I do like the way Menito
plays the run.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
They gave up two.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
Number ones for Brian Burns, so I continue just to
throw stuff against the wall. So if somebody called in
October and the Broncos at that point are in five
and said we're gonna give you two number ones for Benito.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
It's done. You love done trading you trade him. Yeah, yeah,
you're moving them. That's one in a day. Two would
be probably enough.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Of that place. That's that's just tough because then you're
rebuilding at the end again.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Are you are?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
You've been bringing in guys every single year, yeah, for
this reason.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
But you can't assume that they're going to step up
and have an impact that a Nick Benito. That is true,
and that's what I feel like is missing. And like
in all of this, it's the impact that Nick Benito
brings to this game. I can tell you firsthand what
he did to us in Cleveland, like when we played here,
Like I can tell you first.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Ran into the north end zone with the ball.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Exactly and he was ahead of a bunch of pressures,
you know what I mean like that, And that's what
I'm saying, Like he does, he upped his game to
a play.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
Would you say, would anybody here say, I'm asking not
to lead the witness that Nick Benito is a top
seven edge player in this league right now.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
I would say this. I would say to say, well, if.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
The answer to that hypothetical question is yes, then I
think you have to pay.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
I don't think I think you have to pay.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Don't if you don't up your top four money. So
we can say top seven it say top seven would
be out twenty five million.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
But that's not how the that's just not how it works.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
But if he wants top three, a top four money,
Montes sat well, I was starting around the twenty five million,
so we go up. Okay, so Josh heinz Allen with
Jacksonville's got twenty eight two, Joey bost is at thirty four,
so then we have a pretty big jump. Max Crosby's
at thirty five to five, Daniel Hunter's at thirty five
to six, and of course miles of forty.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
So there's the difference.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
I think a guy like Max Crosby, that level of
edge pass rusher is a is a game wrecker.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Guy.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
So Benito probably comes in on the next level. So
you're saying the next level is twenty five.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Million, eight, So it dropped from thirty four to twenty
eight from Nick Bosa to Josh Heinzewer.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Can you know he can't control the fact that other
players are getting paid, but if you know any no
one can control that. But the market is what the
market is. You can't like, you can't sit here and
be like, oh, I don't want to pay him twenty nine.
But if that's what the market is, that's what he's
gonna get. And I think that's where we have to realize.
Like I granted it would be great to say you
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want to get him at twenty five, but more realistically,
it's gonna be a twenty nine thirty, you know, Like
that's just the realistic number because that's for sure what
he would get in free agency.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
So I'm saying for sure.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Like because it's going to be a bidding war, it's
going to be multiple teams that want them, and it's
gonna start at twenty seven and it's gonna get up
to thirty maybe thirty one. Like that's what's going to
be all a contract if he goes to free agency.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
And so it's a matter of that's why.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
If you've come to that conclusion, then you have to
trade him.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Yeah, but you can't. You can't allow that.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
The Broncos would not allow him to get to free
agency if they don't sign him. If they try all
year long, can't get a deal, then the worst thing
they'll they'll franchise him, but they will not let him
walk away for nothing.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
I don't even think that's a good idea of franchise.
I think you get the deal done. You get the
deal done because you have no I'm just saying they
would franchise him before they let him walk away from
because you have four years left of a cheaper bow knicks.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Well, if really three years.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
With with a not really three years with a fifth
year option, you get two two years with okay, two
years with a fifth year option.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
No, you have two years because you usually if it's
your guy, you pay him after three.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, but I don't see I'm not gonna lie to you.
If they're in a position to compete like that, I
don't see it happening because they're going to have to
pay all these other people in order to play.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
You don't make the quarterback ways.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
I've seen Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Oh boy, that's an unexamed Yeah, Joe, even Joe Burrow
handles you know.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Well, no, but they only player in Bengals, his Bengals,
you know. But that's the thing that's like some you know,
you might have to depending on how It's all dependent
on how you're competing at that point.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
By the way, I'm having this conversation, I was asking
you guys about this sort of regardless of how he plays.
In fact, to Day's point, if you're negotiating with him
and he's racking up the sacks, hey, listen, that's good
news for the Broncos because they're they're playing he's playing
well and the team is probably winning. But on the
other side of that thing is that that only drives
up his price, and it also drives up his trade value.
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So I think that there's a win in all of
us for everybody. You want to keep him. I'm not
even saying like I want to trade him. I'm saying
that the broncos of history of doing these kinds of things.
And there's a scenario where Dave just painted it. You
get to October and it's like, a y, we're just
not close.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Well, I just I'm a big believer of when you
have a good player, keep them, because who knows if
that draft pick is going to be what you think
is going to be.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
Who knows.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
There could be a draft light this year where people
were like, there's no bona fide first rounders other than
like the first five, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
So when you have a bar like that, always.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Say keep them because they're one in a million. And
you see so often how often people swing and miss
on draft picks, and so it's no guarantee you you know,
you get two picks for them, it's no guarantee you
get any star Blacks. Look at look at the Raiders
with the clone mach trade. Are any of those players
(17:39):
on the team anymore?
Speaker 1 (17:41):
That's the Raiders. Hey, no offense know that you have
a lot of love for the Raiders, but.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
I'm just saying in general, that's it could happen to anybody.
Scouting is not one hundred percent sure thing. So when
you have a good player, you keep them.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
Winston takes a snap, protection is good with a three
man rush, who throws the ball?
Speaker 4 (17:59):
Satercept in intercept the thirty five, It's gonna be a house.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Call down the sideline thirty twenty five twenty fifteen.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Ten five touchdown.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
That is Nick Panito seventy one yards as Nick Panito
with an interception return for a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
That was just that was such a wacky game. It
was a really fun game to play and like.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
A game to call too. Yeah, like the whole game.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
You're like, all right, they could go either way, you
know what I mean, it's just trading blows. And then
the way it ended, it was just like I knowing
better than this, Like I'm just praying for the Lord
to deliver me from pick sixes.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Who's that that? He said it with a straight face too.
Herian dead. That's serious. That's Janus. I'll tell my dog.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
I'll tell you he was being completely serious. But you
know I love it. I love a quarterback. Hey, anything
anything to not throw pick sixes anymore.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
That was a good, good job there with Mary J.
Bliche there Grant on a Friday, very good. So I
do want to ask you guys really quick as we
were gonna we were talking about the NBA Finals in
Game seven coming up on Sunday, I do think as
neither team have played in a Game seven before, guy,
give a little bit of edge to the Pacers here
(19:17):
not only the momentum of this thing, but their head
coach has actually one of finals with Mavericks.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Here's a good question for you.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
If Indiana wins on Sunday night, Rick Carlisle will have
won his second NBA championship with two different teams. How
many coaches NBA head coaches have won multiple championships with
different organizations?
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Larry Phil Jackson, Phil Jackson is one. I don't think
Larry Brown Brown on the Detroit what's his name with
Miami not.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
I think pat Riley did with one with Miami and
obviously one in Los Angeles.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
That's a good that's a good question.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
I don't think there's any There may be one other coach,
but it's old school.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
I know it's never happened in the NFL that a
coach is one with multiple teams.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
I think the guy that used to coach here in Denver,
I think Alex Hannam may may have happen. Alex Alex
Hannam won one in.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
With Philadelphia and the St. Louis Hawks. Okay, so three.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
So Rick Carlisle, who I think has absolutely won the
coaching matchup in this series. If I'm Mark Dagnall, I'm thinking,
damn man, I got to figure. I mean he I
got to pick up my stuff and get us ready
for Sunday. But yeah, he would be on the fourth
(21:01):
NBA coach ever to win multiple championships with different organizations.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Now that's historic.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
I mean, do you agree that that he's I mean,
we're talking about the matchups for what Game seven is,
and I again I still lean the Thunder. But he
will get these guys ready.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
He he knows what this way.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
Wait a minute, a minute ago, you just you said
how Indiana has the edge, and now a minute later
you say, I still lean the Thunder, So what the
hell lean is it?
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Lean?
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Is it a very slight a very slight head nod
this way?
Speaker 1 (21:37):
This is why you call me the teeter totter man man. No, listen,
I say, from an X factor standpoint, the coaching matchups
has very much tilted.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
And patis agree with that. But you talent answered the question.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
The talent factor with the on the court factor for
the Thunder.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
I agree with that too. You still haven't answered the
question which team? Which? Which team? I mean.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
The same way we were outside talking earlier, and I
could have sworn he said that the Pacers were going
to be the team, because he.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Probably did he then he came then I came in here.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
It's like the Thunder going to win, Like, oh gosh,
I know right, No, But I'll tell you this. Rick
Carlisle has put on a coaching clinic really his playoffs
because his team and everyone else his eyes every matchup,
this team has been overmatched and all he's done is
going out there and I'll coach every coaching I think also,
(22:37):
he might not like this. I think Rick Carla is
the oldest coach to get his team into an NBA finals.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
He likes Rick's sixteen six. Yarry, No, I don't think Larry.
How old was Larry when he got well, no, in
Detroit it was in the early odds.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
So Larry Brown is now eighty.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Like five and four, so he was sixty four?
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Wow, Okay, I saw the staff flash across the screen earlier.
Today he's the older he would be the oldest coach.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Well yeah, but a guy who you know, had to
kind of like reinvent himself after he left Dallas, and
you know it kind of wrote nobody really kind of
took them series, taking this Indiana job, and look how
quickly he's turned around the Pacers.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
See.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Well, I don't know if you guys agree with this.
I would argue that Mark Deagnall has cost Oklahoma City
a couple of games in this postseason run.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Well, yeah, we saw the game against Denver when they
were fouling to early. Yes, and then even I look
at it, not even making adjustments has costing your team games.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
And well, since we're he's sort of second guessing Mark
Deagnel here, and he changed his lineup before Game one.
You had the best team, the best record.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Uh, You've you've.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
Basically dominated the NBA in the way that we haven't
seen in many, many years. And before Game one of
the finals, you change your starting lineup and you basically,
I mean, I'm sure you didn't try to, but by
doing that, you take you take your bigs out, and
you you you play small ball with a team that
wants to and loves to and is really good at
(24:14):
playing small ball. So yeah, I mean, he's gotta I
still think Oak City will win Sunday, but you man,
I don't. I don't feel nearly as confident, not at all, like, not.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
At all, just the way that a one small a
couple of small tweaks and in again, his game plan
completely threw okay, see off. It's tough to ride with
a team game seven after they just got their ass
a game six. But I've been, you know, I'm I'm
(24:48):
rooting for the Pacers. I have been. I'm rooting for
the underdog. And and honestly, after all the prep that
was talked about this series and and people saying that
was gonna be boring, who cares?
Speaker 3 (25:00):
This has been one hell of the series. It really has.
I mean last night was it.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Well, there's only been two games that really have been
kind of laughers last night's game, and there was a
game two right, Oklahoma City.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Just throttled the Pacers.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
But every other game has had just brilliant moments. But
that the reason I wanted to talk about the coaching
is at somebody's killing me on the text line saying like, hey,
you're the best tap dancer of all the time. I'm
telling you, I'm picking the Thunder to win this game.
But I'll say it like this. I have more faith,
I guess is the way I should have started this.
I have more faith that Rick Carlisle is going to
(25:32):
do the right things on Sunday nights. They're Mark Dagnell.
I have more faith that Rick Carlisle will have his
guys ready, and Mark Dagnel will probably second guess and
do too many cute things to put himself in a
position and maybe even screw up his team.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
And I think I always feel like with a young
team like that, you need an older veteran coach to
kind of even out the youth. But you know, Mark
Dagnoll has done a hell of a job, done a
great a great job with this team. But in these finals,
this game, this game seven, you know, the last game
to win it all. You know, you have to give
(26:10):
the edge to Carl out because of who he is
and he's been there before, no matter. And this is
the best part about it. Game seven, winner, take all.
Throw all the regular season records out. None of it matters, good,
none of it matters. It's one game to win it all,
and I do. I can't wait. You Dog and Shelby,
you know, in one year and right out the other.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Just throw all the record books out. I just it's
one of my favorite cliches. We just say that nice
tat dancer. It's good. That's good.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
I did very consistent about the Thunder all season.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
But for the reason, you guys keep forgetting that I've
been very consistent about the Thunder all season long words now, well,
the Thunder and the Timberwolves have been your teams.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
I will give you that tip. Timber Wolves.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
I just I was afraid of them because of the
matchup with the Nuggets.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
They're not like my team.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
I know, I'm gonna how much didn't like their matchup,
but the Nuggets, I said, scary NBA.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
That's c A r T. You were scared.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Su Merwin Day was mewing at you earlier that.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Was why was that Dave? That was the sound effect?
That's not me?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Okay, great as quick on those buttons back there. That's amazing.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
It's a pro baby. I love your feet, Ryan.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
I wish I had this kind of dexterity and nobility
to you know how much skills.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
This actually takes. So, I know we talked trash while tap.
This is so hard to do. We don't talk trash
about I'm not talking about us. I'm talking about in
general joke like, oh, tap dance.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Trick like trash talk and Jesse is about tap dance.
What part have you been to? Well, I know this
is what you were doing at the club that could.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Be don't try, don't even try. Don't even try.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
So I guess just for a moment because we talked about.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
It in the first segment.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Jaylen Williams going from forty points to minus forty in
the plus minus has got to be one of the
most startling things that I could have seen last night.
I gotta imagine he's going to bounce back, Shay obviously
a huge opportunity to bounce back.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
You know. The one thing that I.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Have to give the pacers credit for, and I'll say
that I was wrong on this yesterday, that that Tyrese
Haliburton that he wasn't maybe he wasn't everything he could be,
but he had some timely shots.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
He didn't look I didn't see any indication that there
was anything wrong. I mean, good for him, Yeah, sure
with his calf what he said, calf strain, like even
first degree calf's train. I'm thinking, oh man, that's gonna
be hard for him. Anybody's ever had that you you
can't run, And he was.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
He was out there like doing his things. So I
guess good on him.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
So who's the guy for you, Shelby, Who's who's the
guy that maybe that that's gonna surprise us a little
bit or that you you think can kind of tip
this thing one way or the other nice, you.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Know, because it's just it seems like whenever a big
play it needs to be made, it's as a Hallerburdon
or nim Hart like well I'm talking about but a
bit like a big play down to a big three
that needs to be had. Last night, that was that
was nasty. I was washing on my phone while I
was watering.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
My grass, the the no look past from Alburton and.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Oh it was that was that was nice. That definitely
put the little stamp on on that game. But if
nim Hard can just hit those big shots, and you know,
and I always say this too, he's valuable for this
Pacers team. When everything kind of breaks down, there's five
seconds left from the on the shot clock, he starts
dribbling a little bit and he does a little step
(29:58):
back and it's been.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
He shot at last game.
Speaker 5 (30:02):
Another game is where it's like, dude, you got to
shoot that take that shot, right?
Speaker 1 (30:07):
So how about you dave anybody that you think could
swing this thing.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Maybe outside for Indiana.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Yeah, well, either for Indiana or if you want to go.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
I think this again, I think I've picked okayse I'm
going to stay with him. I don't have supreme confidence
in them, but I think at home this game will
come down to I think you'll get Sga at his best.
I think Jayalen Williams will be at his best. This
game will come down to guys like Caruso and Dort
(30:40):
hitting wide open shots. If they hit them, the Thunder
gonna win it. And if they don't, then Indiana is
gonna have a chance to win this game.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Great job, Grant we got Rockets baseball coming up, next,
the long ball next couple of days. He's going to
be a lot to form Peter probably
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