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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Broncos made a little news today hired Daniel Russelovski as
their new chief Technology Officer.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
He was previously the.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
VP of Technology for the NBA's Golden State Warriors.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
So I wonder what that means, if anything does what
does that change, I guess for the Broncos.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
Are are they going into workboard virtual of Well, I
mean we've seen the walk throughs, like we've seen the
Patriots do that before.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Obviously the Washington's doing that now.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Jay Daniels was a instrumental in bringing that German VR
company over.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
To over to Washington.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
The official press release he Al says he would be
responsible for overseeing old technology, services and systems for the
Broncos facility and empower field at Mile High and will
oversee strategy, operations and innovation, which to me says technological integration,
bringing in stuff like that VR, bringing in tech technological
things to streamline things.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
I mean, they already have VR, right, I mean, so
I don't know about what I mean, who knows what
else could be?
Speaker 4 (00:56):
You know what I see when he says he's you know,
head of the power and all that, I see things
of you know, new stadium.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
No.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Well, yeah, but then also just integrating some new new
things for games, for fans to be interactive with, things
that kind of keep the normal fan engaged during a game.
Maybe they're playing a game on their phones, you know,
technology wise on halftime that keeps people in their seats
for the halftime game. Little little stuff like that where
(01:26):
it kind of brings more engagement to the game.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I believe that could be possible.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
And he developed the Warriors team app they're prior to
going for the Warriors. He was the guy who developed
imog like he was the guy invented really yeah, he
invented it. So I mean, this is an interesting way
he invented imoji. It's a it's an app. I have
to take me way too long to explain it, but
I am O I M O j j I. If
you if you would have looked that.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Up there you go.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
No, it should be interesting. I just wonder obviously the
thought behind, you know, what we're thinking and everything is
like what can he bring extra to the Broncos that
they necessarily haven't had before? And I think I'm very
interested interested to see how what he does.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
But what I would say, and I don't have any idea,
but I do not think Greg and Carry make a
move like this unless they've got a clear cut vision
on what they think this guy is going to bring.
I don't know what that is, but I don't think
they don't strike me as the kind of people that
make a hire like this and say, you know, let's
(02:27):
just let's see how this works out for the first
eighteen months or so and reconvene.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
No, I think you're right.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I think there's definitely some sort of digital strategy that
they have in terms of whether that's improving the fan
experience move experience for both you know, and I want
to get into that. Actually that's where I was headed
with it.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
But it makes sense though, you know, you bring a
guy like that in because you're obviously about to build
a new stadium, so who else to talk to about
what type of technology, but then also things to integrate
into the stadium other than a guy who really hated
with the Warriors and they are.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
In discussions to buy the Burnham stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Now, looking at the plot that there are discussions for
has not quite big enough for a new stadium in
parking lots so that they have to acquire more land.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
It looks like to me, but it does look like
that is that is moving the stadium? Is that a
big deal?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Like, I don't care where the stadium is. Do you
guys care where the stadium is located?
Speaker 2 (03:19):
No?
Speaker 3 (03:21):
No, I mean I think it's going to be I've
never thought even when some of the prospective sites were
speculated on, right, there's one in Highland's Ranch, there was
one up by Vandamir, there's one out by the airport.
None of those sites made sense to me, nor did
(03:43):
I give give any credence.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
To the idea, Like, I mean, is this could this
be possible that?
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I would have been very, very surprised if it was
any of the sites that had been mentioned.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
The airport one was the one I was kind of
like eyeball and has made sense relatively speaking. Is cheaper land.
You can develop a whole thing around it. You know,
we all know how conky and real estate and well
that's how they.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
All kind of are now, Like the Browns are doing
the same thing right now. They're just the Browns are
in the middle of moving their stadium. And because it's
probably one of the worst place stadiums in the NFL,
because it's beautiful, it's right next to where are.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
They moving it to the right next to the It's
going to be right next the park.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
So that's the thing though, is the Brown Stadium it
needs to move because logistically it's awful to get into,
awful to get out of. And I'm talking about as
a player two hours after the game. It's still hard
to get out of that type of stadium because there's
one way in, there's one way out because you're backed
up to the lake right and so I can understand
movements likely, you know, when you move a stadium about that,
(04:44):
but it should be interesting. I thought the airport would
have been a great place for the Broncos stadium. It's
a lot of like there's a lot of land, a
lot of trans for development. There's a lot of new
houses going up there. So it's it's it's a you know,
a nicer area at this time. But I feel like
any place you decide to, you know, invest in your team,
anybody should.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Be happy with it.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Just because the owners are choosing to invest in his
team and to make it a better experience for the
players and for the fans.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I think everybody's excited means they'll stay in Denver, which
I never thought leaving Denver was for a possibility, although
some hot take radio artists were floating the idea that
once Walmart Bottom, you know, what's the Boulton Pedrogroup bottom,
that they would they would move them somewhere else, And
I mean that never made any sense to me. But
I don't I've never cared about the stadium location. But
I will tell you, when I pose the question on
social media, I get a ton of people that definitely
(05:32):
care where the stadium is. Yeah, Like they're very opinionated
about that, and that's say something I understand, But then
I've only lived in Denver since twenty twelve. I mean,
is there is there a sentimental connection to that particular
plot of land.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
So they're very opinionated in terms of wanting it to
be like almost where they.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Went it downtown, never won it downtown.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
That that would be my sense in terms of uh,
I mean, I can't speak for all Broncos fans, but
I mean I think there's a significant percentage of Broncos fans,
maybe long long term Broncos fans, they want to see
that franchise and the new stadium remain the in a
centrally located place, which means close to where it.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Is right now. So I mean we'll see.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I mean you said they've they've started in terms of
sort of looking into the real estate there and so
forth and so on, they've been they've been pretty good.
They've been really good at keeping things under wraps, except
for those things that they want out there to discuss.
So I don't know that we're going to get a
(06:40):
lot of more information, although I was told not by
somebody in the organization that he thought there could be
an announcement coming as soon as August, a confirmation like
here's what we're going to do, sort of announcement.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
We'll see.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Well, we've seen, we've seen teams knocked their stadium down
and play elsewhere. I was in the league when the
Minnesota Vikings were building their stadium and we were playing
at TCF University of Minnesota Stadium. So for the fans
that you know, talk about, oh, we don't want to
move to the stadium, well, that would mean like a three
(07:20):
year process, three four five year process of playing at
either CU Boulder or playing at CSU for for those
five years. And I don't think really anybody on the
Broncos wants to do that because that's money out of
their pocket.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah, I mean, that's what I was The next part
I was getting at is what is your interim option
if you're doing something like that, And I mean I
don't even know. Yeah, CU Boulders probably what is that?
The second is that the second largest stadium in the state.
The stadium is nice, but.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Yeah, clear enough fullsome seats, I want to say, right
at fifty Yeah, and I think canvas on the CSU
campus maybe a little under fifty. So neither one would
be ideal in terms of how many fans the Broncos
usually get at a home game.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Which is roughly seventy seventy to seventy two thousand.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
So damn Dave, you really are on point. CSU may
folsome holds fighty.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Three, right, I don't know what the new CSU stadium
holds exactly.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Seating capacity has a seating pass of thirty six thousand,
five hundred, but can hold forty one thousand. Okay, well
I do that's not even Broncos fans of what you
get sixty to seventy.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
You get seventy to seventy two thousand.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Now, so you're going to be the California Athletics.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Yeah, it's but I mean, you know, people will do
what they will do to avoid traffic. Let's check in
on that traffic the day will Brian, you guys see
this NFL's Whole Century list or whatever best fifty three
man roster.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
I don't know if you guys, says ESPN put it
out anounced the quarter century team.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Four former Broncos made the list, Peyton Manning, DeMarcus Ware,
Champ Bailey and Brian Dawkins along but no Von Miller
with coach Weed Phillips.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
That was my What was the ends? I have to
go back and look here real quick. I think it
was like j J. Watts.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
It was JJ Watt, It was Miles Garrett. Yeah, off
the top of my head where.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Allen, Jared Allen, Miles Garrett, and Julius Peppers were the ends.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Okay, I'm not I I was gonna say something, but
Julius Peppers was that guy like he I remember him
from when I was a kid watching and I just
remember being like, yo, like this dude is probably one
of the most talented athletically freakish players I've ever seen
in my life. Yeah, like it was it was, and
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then to think about it, remember after Chicago he signed
to Green Bay and so he was in Green Bay
for a couple of years. I'm just like, dude, he
is six seven, two eighty, moving like he's two twenty.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
You saw him played basketball in North Carolina. I mean,
for a guy that size to play both sports, and
he was. I mean, he wasn't maybe a great player
in college, but he he scored. I mean, he played
a lot. He wasn't somebody that came off the bench
and played four or five minutes.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
He was a running back in high school, by the way,
had not played when he first started.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
He was a running back. I didn't know that. Thirty
five hundred.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Rushing yards and forty six touchdowns, he was a running back.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
I imagine high school guys. You look over there and say, wait,
how do you how do we tackle him? You see
that guy coming off the back bummed a court. I'm
looking at this team and I don't like it.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Yeah, it seems like you're you're intentionally trying to force
current players into it. It reached justin Jefferson shouldn't be
in there. Their practice squad is Brown Johnson Antonio Brown,
like no.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Is one of the top two receivers, two or three
receivers in the game today, But he's not played long
enough to be on the you know, the court.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
What are we talking about?
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Yeah, I didn't know who you push it off here
to in order to get him on that. I mean,
they had some great names on there. Obviously you had
Megatron and Randy Moss one and two, that's obvious, and
Marvin Harrison t Owens.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
On there before. I'm putting justin Jeffers.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
They only have Von mentioned, they have Watt over and listen.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
No, you're not putting did you say you're you're putting
Oo Sinko on before Jefferson.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
No, of course for the whole career, though, you have
think like has seven thousand yards and he's already.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
On how many yards? Cheek? I thought? I thought Yad
was a really good, really good receiver. But is he is?
Speaker 3 (11:33):
He like an all century receiver? How many Jefferson? He
would be twelve thousand yards?
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Of his career he had.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Eleven thousand and fifty nine yards, sixty seven touchdowns. Okay, okay,
you know better. Well, even a really good player, he
was a hell of a player. But looking at look
him to the d NS. I just don't understand how
von Miller isn't even they're saying t J. Watt, Michael
Strahan for practice Squad, Michael STrenD. I know it makes sense,
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you know what I mean, but t J. Watt, Like, granted,
I love the way TJ plays, and of once again
I think it's uh, they're trying to force Yeah, you're
trying to force recent players into this when these other
players careers, their whole careers were in the were within
the span, and their stats blow these guys out of
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the water.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
It doesn't make sense. Looked like the biggest snow to
make it, the Broncos that.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Made this Super Bowl MVP. You know, I get it.
It's because he didn't get the dp O Y and
I feel like that's really the main reason, because you
didn't get the DPOY and then all these other guys
other than Julius Pepper's, you know, have some type of
you know, the substance to them. But I'm just like, dude,
von Miller, and you're talking about quarter century von Miller,
(12:48):
that von Miller from those bright Broncos runs unstoppable, unstoppable.
There's no there's no way that you can sit there and.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Be like, I was glad the champ Bailey made it.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Yeah, and that was you know, Wade Phillips is that
on the coaching staff.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
I thought that was pretty cool. He was the coordinator, right. Yeah,
as a DC, I totally get it.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
But yeah, I don't understand having with all due respect
to your current team, and I didn' understand have a
Miles Garrett over Von Miller.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
You know, I was.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Actually going to say that just because if you look
at it right now, because it's a DPO. Lie though
Bob has one hundred and twenty nine and a half sacks,
what's Garrett got on?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (13:23):
You know, once again, no, this is recency biased, like
like like you said then, because other than that, there's
I don't see anyone that really so you play, you play,
You can't take anyone else to play with both those guys.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
What are two or three similarities to Miles Garrett and
Von Miller? And what are maybe a couple of things
that a football fan would not know that you're like
in this regard, these two dudes are totally different.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Well, and the way they are the exact same and
is what every great addresser has a great get off
with twitch, great get off. They're both literally right when
the ball snaps, they're off off the ball. Now, other
than that, they are completely different, because you got to
think Miles is sixty four stronger than seventy. Vonn was
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six one six two two fifty. So their games. But
like the thing is, though, Miles used to speed just
as much as Von did.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
So what things are they most dissimilar in?
Speaker 4 (14:26):
I would say this the way that they go about
pass rushing because Von loved to do his spin inside.
Von loved running games. Miles is more of a one
on one. I'm just going to beat you off.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
The ball to say, for people that don't know running games,
running games with the guy lined up inside of him.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Yes, running, He's like, that's how you That's how Derek
Wolf made his name in Denver was running games for.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Von, and Von had so much bend though. Man, that
guy feed under a table.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Man. But I'm telling you, I've seen Miles do some
freaky stuff and I'm just sitting there like, wow, nobody
that big should be able to do what he's doing.
But the one thing though about Miles though, that I
just I can't understand. It's just how and it's just
like levon No. But it was just so natural. Yeah,
like that's natural ability that you're seeing out of Myles
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Garrett's and that's the cool part about it. But man,
Von just was just a craftsman. He knew exactly what
he needed to do, what spot he needed to hit,
how many steps he needs to do to get you turned,
and then he hit that spin off of it and
it was this game over. But I played with both
of them and they just all they're just to completely
(15:40):
different players.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Well what would he get exactly? We gotta do, we
gotta hit a break. We'll get back after this.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
I'm not like this after concerts. Usually after a concert like, Okay,
that was cool. I have been playing the set list
ever since the concert, Like I'm just like yo, Like,
it's just when you see someone that can sing and
give a show like that.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
It was just how many people sold backed, Yeah, it
looked packed. I've seen seen some video and photo it
looked packed, sold out.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
It was it was such a it was a it's
such a great concert. I'm actually I'm really happy I
got to go and that he was playing, you know,
all the way from XO to you know, all the
new stuff, you know what I mean. So it was
it was for everybody because it was, no, what's crazy?
I saw it a girl, this girl behind me, she
could have been more than like fifteen. And then there
was a guy in front of me. He could have
been like forty something. I'm like this old right now? No, yeah, dude,
(16:28):
I was like, dude, it's crazy to reach that these
artists had from you know, the age range that like,
you know, you can impact somebody's life and just from
you know, singing. It's actually it was a really cool observation.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I had saw.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
I wonder, I'm trying to think now that you mentioned that, like,
if there's any other artist out there the spans that bigger,
you know, that bigger thing.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
I would have thought the weekend honestly, because when we
started talking about this for the show, I said, how
old is he now?
Speaker 2 (16:52):
And I would have thought he was like in his
mid forties. He's like mid thirty too.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
I would have I would have thought that too all
the time.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
That's the thing when you when you come out and
you're twenty and twenty one, right and you have this stretch,
people were.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Like wow, like it seems like you've just been here forever.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
And he hasn't had like a flop yet, like an
album that, you know, because I got a little worried
about that when he started getting the acting and like,
all right now the music is going to fall off here. No,
it's the music. The acting wasn't that good, but the music,
because the.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Music will the music will always be good. But it's
just something that that's definitely a concert I'll never forget.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Early on they were comparing him to trying to make
it out like this generation's Michael, you know kind of thing,
and he.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Kind of he's got a little bit of the he's
got the performative he's thought they were. They were saying
Bruno Mars for this.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
He's also got that comparison a little bit, although he
you know.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
It's just because they kind of look like brun O
Mars and Michael Jackson. No and the Weekend Oh yay wow,
Oh no, I.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Need to get my cheaters clean man. Maybe a little
Michael little very true.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Finally six year old sex. You guys listen to sports,
but always showy Harris. Theyve Logan christ Smith back there
producing as well. I had a couple of texts coming
in from the three or three day. Do you recall
what Chad Johnson did the Champ on a Monday night
in Cincinnati in two thousand and four. I don't remember
a single money I listened.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
You know what I remember most about that trip was that?
Was that the.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
I think that was the game the Bengals got away
from the Broncos like in a big, big way.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Well, what was the look to see?
Speaker 3 (18:26):
I have to look if it was that game, I
can tell you what I remember most, and no, I
don't remember.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
I don't remember Champ getting torched.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Maybe it's convenient that I don't remember that, not to
say that he never got beat.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
But there was one game that that a back for the.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Bengals rushed for two hundred and seventy eight yards against
the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Was that Corey Dillon? I think was that the same game?
Speaker 1 (18:51):
This game was not that? This game, it was Rudy
Johnson that went for a buck twenty.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Rudy Johnson was kind of a second tier running back.
I mean, good play for sure. What did what did
Ocho Sinko do?
Speaker 1 (19:03):
You're trying to pull that Chad Johnson head seven targets
for a buck forty nine and a touchdown fifty which
came on one.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Okay, I mean that's that's I mean that's a good game.
That is a good game.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
I'm not saying Chad Chad Johnson couldn't play. I'm just saying,
when when you just off the top of my head,
when you say, hey, you're gonna go with the quarter
century all time NFL team the last twenty five years
back to two thousand, he would not be one of
the first two or three receivers that would pop into
my mind.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Well you're ready, Moss Calvin Johnson, Yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
I would take andre jo stats might not be what
everybody else is. You got to take into effect who
was throwing him the ball. And I think that right
there will put Andre Johnson above a.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Couple people that job online one.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Trust me, I was with my job, my rookie year,
and now name.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
That I would probably put. Try to sneak on that
list that I think I get the most pushback from.
But I think would surprise you be Derek Mason. Derek
would not.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Get a lot of love for the Belichick would not
have Derek Mason on that list.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Have you have you seen the video.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Or he's he always Belichick and the Patriots are beating
the breaks.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
It was at the Ravens at that point.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Right, But every corner I ever talked to who played
to that, every corner I talked to, was like, man,
Derek Mason was like one of the toughest covers, Like
Loki was like the toughest cover in that area.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
I would that's news to me. I wouldn't have said
that either.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
And okay, just going back to this bottom of the thing,
because it really bothered me during the break, so I
wouldn't just start doing some stats. Before he got hurt,
there was nobody like him. Yeah, before he got hurt.
And it was crazy because I was there and I
literally like I did somebody kick me? And then his
old ankle thing happened? Right, No, that was the day
(20:52):
that was like, literally there was a Friday practice and
before week one. That was a Friday practice before week one.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Yeah, and oh you know what, wait a minute, didn't
he tear his He tore his acl He.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Did the thing about the ankle.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
It was like a ligament that flipped and it wasn't
And it's I think it only has happened to a
tennis player in pro sports that's how rare his injury was.
And but before that, there was nobody messing with Von Miller.
And I'll tell you that.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah, the the ACL the right K and he was
twenty thirteen. Was that the game in Houston. I have
to go back and look.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
I just remember the year now, twenty twenty he had
the perennial tendon and the elbow continusion.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
That was a preseason I have torn that Tenton.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
I mean not that long ago, probably seven eight years
ago playing basketball, which why now I don't Yeah, it's it's.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
They said it's such a rare injury for like pro
athletes that not many people have had it. But man,
other than that one year when he tore his A
c insides the All Pro one or All Pro two,
and he has a couple of second place dp A
lines and his Pro Bowls every season, and he was
a beast. It's nobody messing with that. Nobody messing with
(22:11):
that bomb. He was a beast.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
I mean yeah, And it was one of those things
when he came out came out of A and M and.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
I saw him play quite a bit in college. But
when he came out of A and M. I was like,
you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
He might he might be a little, a little light
in the backstick because he was played like a forty
three end basically back there in college. He might be
a light, you know, for for what it is that
he does. I don't know if this is gonna. I
was so wrong on.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
That rookie year.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Came out with twenty nine QB, just eleven and a
half sex, then comes back the next year was eighteen
and a half sex. Mag I'm and I'm just saying that.
Obviously he's my former teammate. But the things I saw
him do, and I don't think anybody it.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Makes you wonder why he would not be in the list.
The Monday night game and it was a game in Cincinnati,
I don't think it was that game. There was another
game that the Bengals really put it on the Broncos.
So you had there, you have a clock when the
game ends, you know, I've got a certain amount of
time to do the postgame show. At that point, we
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were going down and getting interviews to the locker room,
and then when you lock out, you know you've got
twenty you got twenty two minutes from the time you
lock out to get from the booth, get all the
equipment out of the booth, and get down to the bus.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Right. So it was me and the Wizard Kenny Daanen,
who has since retired. We lock out.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
It's a Monday night game, so it's about one o'clock
in the morning, Cincinnati time. We go down, have to
carry the equipment down the stairs, out into the stadium
and across the field. We make it. I'm looking okay,
seventeen minutes, We're fine. We walk through the corridors of
underneath the stadium in one of the security guards. I said, hey,
point me to the Broncos bus. He goes, Broncos bus.
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They left. I said, no, they couldn't have left. And
look at my clock because we've got five minutes so
they got to be. He goes, no, they're they're down there,
and they listen, we walked down here. Where are the buses? No,
they're they're gone. By that time, my cell phone rings.
It's Roach, Alan, Roach who did sidelines at that point,
and he goes by. Now I know you're pissed. I said, dude,
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did you guy? And I'll clean it up? I said,
did you fellas leave me, he said, Dave. We did
everything we could. We told them you're not here. I
said are, I said are you? And then I had
a creator I said, I used adjectives in a very
creative sort of way.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
I said are you? Are you fellas actually on.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
The highway and worse stand yes, I'm like, so I've
talked to it police.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I said, where can we get a cab?
Speaker 3 (24:53):
We got to get to the airport, which was in Kentucky,
I believe, And they said they know cabs coming down here.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
It's one o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
So we're walking outside the stadium pulling the equipment. There's
a police officer in a car with this window rolled
down about an inch. So I said, hey, sir, is
there any we need to find a cab? So he
gets out of the car, his the driver and the pastor.
Both police officers say who you guys? We need to
see some ID. So I'm like, come on, so pull
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the id, give him the ID, get the flash light out.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
He goes.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
I said, we're I said, I'm the play buff voice
of the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
He's an engineer.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
We've got to get to the airport so we don't
miss that flight. He goes Dave Logan, David Logan. He said,
there was a Dave Logan that was a wide Now
we're in Cincinnati. This is a true story. He said,
there's there was a Dave Logan that they play wide
receiver for the Browns. At that point, I've got about
three seconds because they hate Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
I'm thinking, do I say that was me? Or do
I say, like, no, it's not me. I said that's me.
He goes, that's you. I said that's no. He says.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
So he was so cool about this. He goes, we
we talked for like thirty seconds. He goes, man, get in.
So we're in the canine unit right the screen.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
So unfortunately it was no dog.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Me and Kitty in the backseat, like looking through the cage.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
This dude puts the lights.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
On top and he turns around through the cage and says,
this never happened. He said, okay, here we take off,
and brother, when I tell you we are flying on
the highway, we pull up onto the tarmac just as
they're loading up the final stuff with the equipment, and
we make the flight. And I sent those two officers
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gift certificates to have dinner at in Cincinnati as soon
as I got back to Denver. Mate, that's the only
time I got left.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
In thirty five years.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
That's cool, man, that's a lifetime.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Dog be here.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
Please, don't I thought Cleveland was bad, but Jesus Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Oh my oh, at one o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
But I mean, and the good thing that you got recognized,
at least that helps you out left and I get recognized.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
That the best thing in Cincinnati is a motel six
and so.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Right now is from Cincinnati. By the way, that's a
skyline ChIL over there. Oh my god. That's why it's
so small, because it happens, well, it's close enough. It's
the same basically the same thing. But I did live
there for a while. Bengels fan, I was always talking
about his love for the Bengals.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
No he's not Joe Burr Mayby. Oh my god, that's
get the pipe up roaches. Think, I see how you are, right.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Man, it's right. Oh, that's a great story though.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
I mean, that's I wonder you know, in the in
the history of that and the all time you know,
get left behind, that's got to be up there.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Well, most people just have to catch a fly. That's
the only time for me. I mean, I was thinking
I got to get back, you know, the high school.
We got practice the next day. It's like, I can't
get stranded here in Cincinnati one o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
How would that work with the international game in your
high school?
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Scho So the Broncos will So we'll fly to Philadelphia.
I'm assuming I'll fly with the team, do the game.
The team will fly from Philadelphia to London. I'll fly
from Philadelphia back to Denver, get here practice with the
high school team. We Fortunately I got I got a
bit of a break because we.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Play Thursday night. Oh cure. So I've already.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Bought a ticket, NonStop ticket Denver to London Friday, leave
like five. There's two nonstops today, firsts at five thirty
in the afternoon. So I'll leave Friday five thirty in
the afternoon. I land in London like whatever, Saturday afternoon
at three.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Perfect.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Last I was to say, last time you got out there.
Last time.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
By the grace of the good Lord I had. I
had friends who were nice enough to put me on.
They were going to London on their own plane, and I.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Got to ride with them. We left it.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
But but the game, the high school game was Friday night.
They waited. We left at three o'clock in the morning
Friday or Saturday morning, flew to Bangor, Maine, refueled, got
back in, flew to London, landed at like ten o'clock
Saturday night, you know, went to the hotel, went to bed,
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got up, called the game, and then came back with
the team.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
So I need some more friends like that style.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Just in case, Jack and Mary, thank you very much.
And to make things worse, we lost the game on Friday,
So I want to really talk to nobody.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
The whole place in the back of the plane.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
By myself, didn't sleep a lick, just that I cannot
believe we lost that game.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Was I don't remember? Yeah, does he know I don't
remember all of them?
Speaker 4 (30:09):
That's nothing that he's going to freaking out?
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Like the competitive because you were competitive people, you know,
and so like that's what it was.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Say do you do you love the winner? You hate
to loose? Man? I hate I hate to lose. I
remember every loss. I remember every lost.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
And in Black Jazz, the wins you couldn't.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
You know. I And with my career in the league,
I guess I could remember all the wins because because
it hasn't been very many of them.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Well, hey man, you've been in the league.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Oh no, and I would say last year I've been
to I've been in like twelve years. I've been in
the playoffs twice. Other than that, I don't think I
had a season where I won over five games. I've
one brocol year. I think one year we won seven
with VIC nine were like seventy nine. Other than that,
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I'm talking about three four that my career started losing
like ten to twelve straight. No, we lost ten straight. Yeah,
and then we want the Chiefs on Thursday night in
the rain game. That was my first NFL win was
ten weeks into the year. Actually eleven weeks we were
zer and ten.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
What was your first wing, Sell, I guess it would
had been Seattle.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
Yeah, that's the craziest part about it. I get trade
the Seattle and just to be honest, I'm thinking we
I'm like looking, I'm like we can look like we
had the worst roster in the league. There were a
lot of people like that, Like, geez, it was a
surprising year. No, very surprising, because I've said I didn't
know anything about the guys in Seattle. I didn't know
anything about I've never seen most of them play. I
was not excited. I'm my dog like I just got traded.
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We just flipped. They're about to go win. I'm about
to go right back in the same position we just
were in. Oh man, I remember. I remember like literally
talking to my Wife's like, dude, like, why does the
league hate me so much? Like what did I do
to do? If you call your wife dude, she'll hate
you too. No, dude, all the time, I'm like, dude,
like and sometimes I'm throwing a bro in there.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Come on, bro right, I know. So now my four
year old be like, what's up?
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Bro?
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Oh no, that was because that was an interesting thing.
We're talking about Kevin Durankett and traded. How did you
feel like when you first got that call, Like, how
did it? How does it affect the guy when you then?
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I think I told you the story happened. I you
know where I was.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
I was in the Bronco facility. I just got done
working out. I was with Big Televin again like Sosa,
and you know, we literally eat like you with like
eating lunch, you know, just chilling and then pops up
on the screen. Russell Wilson getting traded to the Broncos
when I say, I got up into the victory lap
around the facility and I'm like, oh, hell yeah, we
got a QB.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
I looked down on my phone and I got George
Peyton called me, you know, like in this league, you know,
you know what the gams calling you like, and something
that just happened. I'm turning to Sosa to being like,
there's no fn am. I think I'm in this trade
because I'm if. I called my wife because we you know,
we got married almost ten years ago, but we didn't
have our wedding until the year of the trade. And
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she's literally getting a dress fitting, her final dress fitting.
I said, so, like, I know you're busy, but.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Try to be called. I'm trying to be the call.
I'm like, yo, like.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
We just got traded. And she's like, you know, I'll
play around a lot. And she said what you mean?
She said, shut that up. There's no like she said,
you know, I'm over here doing this. Why would you
do that right now? I'm like, dude, like I'm not joking,
and she's like, yo, Like they had to like try
to like She's like, I'm over here crying. She's ryder
because I cried. I cried like a baby. I wasn't
because my family's here, you know what I mean. Like
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we had a good like we had a real good
thing here. Just it was home. And so then I
go up to this go see George Payton after, you know,
he's like, hey, are you around. I'm gonna talk to
you know, hey, if you're here, I heard you're in
the building, come up and talk to me. All right, George.
So I go up there and talk to me. It's like,
you know, you know, didn't want to do this, but
the deal doesn't get done if you're not in it.
And I'm like, all right, well, you know I did
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the oblatory like thank you for everything, thank you forgetting
my shot. Because the Broncos, that's why it's such a
connection to Denver. They're the ones who really gave me
my first shot in the league for my alb. Came
here as a fourth year player on a futures deal,
you know, fighting for a spot my first year. I
don't make the team. If Jared Creek, Billy Win, Derek
wolf All don't go down with injuries during camp, Zach
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Kirk gets hurt by the game, and so then I
go and I had and I have three sacks against
Green Bay. Yeah, and then here I am you know
what I mean.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
So you've been here with six five years at that.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
Point, I was that was my fifth year here, and
I was like, all right, six years, Like damn. I
kind of cemented no, And then you know, the league
has a way of when you get too comfortable, of
ruffling the feathers and kind of throwing you out there.
So then you know it worked out. Yeah, it really
worked out. But then you know that that right there
will always be a moment where you know, I haven't
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the emotions felt never I'll never probably feel again.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
We will get into a little bit more of that
or maybe something else. Maybe it's a little more exciting
when we come back after the breaking
Broncos made a little news today hired Daniel Russelovski as
their new chief Technology Officer.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
He was previously the.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
VP of Technology for the NBA's Golden State Warriors.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
So I wonder what that means, if anything does what
does that change, I guess for the Broncos.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
Are are they going into workboard virtual of Well, I
mean we've seen the walk throughs, like we've seen the
Patriots do that before.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Obviously the Washington's doing that now.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Jay Daniels was a instrumental in bringing that German VR
company over.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
To over to Washington.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
The official press release he Al says he would be
responsible for overseeing old technology, services and systems for the
Broncos facility and empower field at Mile High and will
oversee strategy, operations and innovation, which to me says technological integration,
bringing in stuff like that VR, bringing in tech technological
things to streamline things.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
I mean, they already have VR, right, I mean, so
I don't know about what I mean, who knows what
else could be?
Speaker 4 (00:56):
You know what I see when he says he's you know,
head of the power and all that, I see things
of you know, new stadium.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
No.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Well, yeah, but then also just integrating some new new
things for games, for fans to be interactive with, things
that kind of keep the normal fan engaged during a game.
Maybe they're playing a game on their phones, you know,
technology wise on halftime that keeps people in their seats
for the halftime game. Little little stuff like that where
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it kind of brings more engagement to the game.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I believe that could be possible.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
And he developed the Warriors team app they're prior to
going for the Warriors. He was the guy who developed
imog like he was the guy invented really yeah, he
invented it. So I mean, this is an interesting way
he invented imoji. It's a it's an app. I have
to take me way too long to explain it, but
I am O I M O j j I. If
you if you would have looked that.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Up there you go.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
No, it should be interesting. I just wonder obviously the
thought behind, you know, what we're thinking and everything is
like what can he bring extra to the Broncos that
they necessarily haven't had before? And I think I'm very
interested interested to see how what he does.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
But what I would say, and I don't have any idea,
but I do not think Greg and Carry make a
move like this unless they've got a clear cut vision
on what they think this guy is going to bring.
I don't know what that is, but I don't think
they don't strike me as the kind of people that
make a hire like this and say, you know, let's
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just let's see how this works out for the first
eighteen months or so and reconvene.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
No, I think you're right.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I think there's definitely some sort of digital strategy that
they have in terms of whether that's improving the fan
experience move experience for both you know, and I want
to get into that. Actually that's where I was headed
with it.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
But it makes sense though, you know, you bring a
guy like that in because you're obviously about to build
a new stadium, so who else to talk to about
what type of technology, but then also things to integrate
into the stadium other than a guy who really hated
with the Warriors and they are.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
In discussions to buy the Burnham stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Now, looking at the plot that there are discussions for
has not quite big enough for a new stadium in
parking lots so that they have to acquire more land.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
It looks like to me, but it does look like
that is that is moving the stadium? Is that a
big deal?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Like, I don't care where the stadium is. Do you
guys care where the stadium is located?
Speaker 2 (03:19):
No?
Speaker 3 (03:21):
No, I mean I think it's going to be I've
never thought even when some of the prospective sites were
speculated on, right, there's one in Highland's Ranch, there was
one up by Vandamir, there's one out by the airport.
None of those sites made sense to me, nor did
(03:43):
I give give any credence.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
To the idea, Like, I mean, is this could this
be possible that?
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I would have been very, very surprised if it was
any of the sites that had been mentioned.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
The airport one was the one I was kind of
like eyeball and has made sense relatively speaking. Is cheaper land.
You can develop a whole thing around it. You know,
we all know how conky and real estate and well
that's how they.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
All kind of are now, Like the Browns are doing
the same thing right now. They're just the Browns are
in the middle of moving their stadium. And because it's
probably one of the worst place stadiums in the NFL,
because it's beautiful, it's right next to where are.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
They moving it to the right next to the It's
going to be right next the park.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
So that's the thing though, is the Brown Stadium it
needs to move because logistically it's awful to get into,
awful to get out of. And I'm talking about as
a player two hours after the game. It's still hard
to get out of that type of stadium because there's
one way in, there's one way out because you're backed
up to the lake right and so I can understand
movements likely, you know, when you move a stadium about that,
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but it should be interesting. I thought the airport would
have been a great place for the Broncos stadium. It's
a lot of like there's a lot of land, a
lot of trans for development. There's a lot of new
houses going up there. So it's it's it's a you know,
a nicer area at this time. But I feel like
any place you decide to, you know, invest in your team,
anybody should.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Be happy with it.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Just because the owners are choosing to invest in his
team and to make it a better experience for the
players and for the fans.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I think everybody's excited means they'll stay in Denver, which
I never thought leaving Denver was for a possibility, although
some hot take radio artists were floating the idea that
once Walmart Bottom, you know, what's the Boulton Pedrogroup bottom,
that they would they would move them somewhere else, And
I mean that never made any sense to me. But
I don't I've never cared about the stadium location. But
I will tell you, when I pose the question on
social media, I get a ton of people that definitely
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care where the stadium is. Yeah, Like they're very opinionated
about that, and that's say something I understand, But then
I've only lived in Denver since twenty twelve. I mean,
is there is there a sentimental connection to that particular
plot of land.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
So they're very opinionated in terms of wanting it to
be like almost where they.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Went it downtown, never won it downtown.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
That that would be my sense in terms of uh,
I mean, I can't speak for all Broncos fans, but
I mean I think there's a significant percentage of Broncos fans,
maybe long long term Broncos fans, they want to see
that franchise and the new stadium remain the in a
centrally located place, which means close to where it.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Is right now. So I mean we'll see.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I mean you said they've they've started in terms of
sort of looking into the real estate there and so
forth and so on, they've been they've been pretty good.
They've been really good at keeping things under wraps, except
for those things that they want out there to discuss.
So I don't know that we're going to get a
(06:40):
lot of more information, although I was told not by
somebody in the organization that he thought there could be
an announcement coming as soon as August, a confirmation like
here's what we're going to do, sort of announcement.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
We'll see.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Well, we've seen, we've seen teams knocked their stadium down
and play elsewhere. I was in the league when the
Minnesota Vikings were building their stadium and we were playing
at TCF University of Minnesota Stadium. So for the fans
that you know, talk about, oh, we don't want to
move to the stadium, well, that would mean like a three
(07:20):
year process, three four five year process of playing at
either CU Boulder or playing at CSU for for those
five years. And I don't think really anybody on the
Broncos wants to do that because that's money out of
their pocket.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah, I mean, that's what I was The next part
I was getting at is what is your interim option
if you're doing something like that, And I mean I
don't even know. Yeah, CU Boulders probably what is that?
The second is that the second largest stadium in the state.
The stadium is nice, but.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Yeah, clear enough fullsome seats, I want to say, right
at fifty Yeah, and I think canvas on the CSU
campus maybe a little under fifty. So neither one would
be ideal in terms of how many fans the Broncos
usually get at a home game.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Which is roughly seventy seventy to seventy two thousand.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
So damn Dave, you really are on point. CSU may
folsome holds fighty.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Three, right, I don't know what the new CSU stadium
holds exactly.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Seating capacity has a seating pass of thirty six thousand,
five hundred, but can hold forty one thousand. Okay, well
I do that's not even Broncos fans of what you
get sixty to seventy.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
You get seventy to seventy two thousand.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Now, so you're going to be the California Athletics.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Yeah, it's but I mean, you know, people will do
what they will do to avoid traffic. Let's check in
on that traffic the day will Brian, you guys see
this NFL's Whole Century list or whatever best fifty three
man roster.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
I don't know if you guys, says ESPN put it
out anounced the quarter century team.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Four former Broncos made the list, Peyton Manning, DeMarcus Ware,
Champ Bailey and Brian Dawkins along but no Von Miller
with coach Weed Phillips.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
That was my What was the ends? I have to
go back and look here real quick. I think it
was like j J. Watts.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
It was JJ Watt, It was Miles Garrett. Yeah, off
the top of my head where.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Allen, Jared Allen, Miles Garrett, and Julius Peppers were the ends.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Okay, I'm not I I was gonna say something, but
Julius Peppers was that guy like he I remember him
from when I was a kid watching and I just
remember being like, yo, like this dude is probably one
of the most talented athletically freakish players I've ever seen
in my life. Yeah, like it was it was, and
(09:37):
then to think about it, remember after Chicago he signed
to Green Bay and so he was in Green Bay
for a couple of years. I'm just like, dude, he
is six seven, two eighty, moving like he's two twenty.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
You saw him played basketball in North Carolina. I mean,
for a guy that size to play both sports, and
he was. I mean, he wasn't maybe a great player
in college, but he he scored. I mean, he played
a lot. He wasn't somebody that came off the bench
and played four or five minutes.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
He was a running back in high school, by the way,
had not played when he first started.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
He was a running back. I didn't know that. Thirty
five hundred.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Rushing yards and forty six touchdowns, he was a running back.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
I imagine high school guys. You look over there and say, wait,
how do you how do we tackle him? You see
that guy coming off the back bummed a court. I'm
looking at this team and I don't like it.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Yeah, it seems like you're you're intentionally trying to force
current players into it. It reached justin Jefferson shouldn't be
in there. Their practice squad is Brown Johnson Antonio Brown,
like no.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Is one of the top two receivers, two or three
receivers in the game today, But he's not played long
enough to be on the you know, the court.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
What are we talking about?
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Yeah, I didn't know who you push it off here
to in order to get him on that. I mean,
they had some great names on there. Obviously you had
Megatron and Randy Moss one and two, that's obvious, and
Marvin Harrison t Owens.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
On there before. I'm putting justin Jeffers.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
They only have Von mentioned, they have Watt over and listen.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
No, you're not putting did you say you're you're putting
Oo Sinko on before Jefferson.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
No, of course for the whole career, though, you have
think like has seven thousand yards and he's already.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
On how many yards? Cheek? I thought? I thought Yad
was a really good, really good receiver. But is he is?
Speaker 3 (11:33):
He like an all century receiver? How many Jefferson? He
would be twelve thousand yards?
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Of his career he had.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Eleven thousand and fifty nine yards, sixty seven touchdowns. Okay, okay,
you know better. Well, even a really good player, he
was a hell of a player. But looking at look
him to the d NS. I just don't understand how
von Miller isn't even they're saying t J. Watt, Michael
Strahan for practice Squad, Michael STrenD. I know it makes sense,
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you know what I mean, but t J. Watt, Like, granted,
I love the way TJ plays, and of once again
I think it's uh, they're trying to force Yeah, you're
trying to force recent players into this when these other
players careers, their whole careers were in the were within
the span, and their stats blow these guys out of
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the water.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
It doesn't make sense. Looked like the biggest snow to
make it, the Broncos that.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Made this Super Bowl MVP. You know, I get it.
It's because he didn't get the dp O Y and
I feel like that's really the main reason, because you
didn't get the DPOY and then all these other guys
other than Julius Pepper's, you know, have some type of
you know, the substance to them. But I'm just like, dude,
von Miller, and you're talking about quarter century von Miller,
(12:48):
that von Miller from those bright Broncos runs unstoppable, unstoppable.
There's no there's no way that you can sit there and.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Be like, I was glad the champ Bailey made it.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Yeah, and that was you know, Wade Phillips is that
on the coaching staff.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
I thought that was pretty cool. He was the coordinator, right. Yeah,
as a DC, I totally get it.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
But yeah, I don't understand having with all due respect
to your current team, and I didn' understand have a
Miles Garrett over Von Miller.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
You know, I was.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Actually going to say that just because if you look
at it right now, because it's a DPO. Lie though
Bob has one hundred and twenty nine and a half sacks,
what's Garrett got on?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (13:23):
You know, once again, no, this is recency biased, like
like like you said then, because other than that, there's
I don't see anyone that really so you play, you play,
You can't take anyone else to play with both those guys.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
What are two or three similarities to Miles Garrett and
Von Miller? And what are maybe a couple of things
that a football fan would not know that you're like
in this regard, these two dudes are totally different.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Well, and the way they are the exact same and
is what every great addresser has a great get off
with twitch, great get off. They're both literally right when
the ball snaps, they're off off the ball. Now, other
than that, they are completely different, because you got to
think Miles is sixty four stronger than seventy. Vonn was
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six one six two two fifty. So their games. But
like the thing is, though, Miles used to speed just
as much as Von did.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
So what things are they most dissimilar in?
Speaker 4 (14:26):
I would say this the way that they go about
pass rushing because Von loved to do his spin inside.
Von loved running games. Miles is more of a one
on one. I'm just going to beat you off.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
The ball to say, for people that don't know running games,
running games with the guy lined up inside of him.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Yes, running, He's like, that's how you That's how Derek
Wolf made his name in Denver was running games for.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Von, and Von had so much bend though. Man, that
guy feed under a table.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Man. But I'm telling you, I've seen Miles do some
freaky stuff and I'm just sitting there like, wow, nobody
that big should be able to do what he's doing.
But the one thing though about Miles though, that I
just I can't understand. It's just how and it's just
like levon No. But it was just so natural. Yeah,
like that's natural ability that you're seeing out of Myles
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Garrett's and that's the cool part about it. But man,
Von just was just a craftsman. He knew exactly what
he needed to do, what spot he needed to hit,
how many steps he needs to do to get you turned,
and then he hit that spin off of it and
it was this game over. But I played with both
of them and they just all they're just to completely
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different players.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Well what would he get exactly? We gotta do, we
gotta hit a break. We'll get back after this.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
I'm not like this after concerts. Usually after a concert like, Okay,
that was cool. I have been playing the set list
ever since the concert, Like I'm just like yo, Like,
it's just when you see someone that can sing and
give a show like that.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
It was just how many people sold backed, Yeah, it
looked packed. I've seen seen some video and photo it
looked packed, sold out.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
It was it was such a it was a it's
such a great concert. I'm actually I'm really happy I
got to go and that he was playing, you know,
all the way from XO to you know, all the
new stuff, you know what I mean. So it was
it was for everybody because it was, no, what's crazy?
I saw it a girl, this girl behind me, she
could have been more than like fifteen. And then there
was a guy in front of me. He could have
been like forty something. I'm like this old right now? No, yeah, dude,
(16:28):
I was like, dude, it's crazy to reach that these
artists had from you know, the age range that like,
you know, you can impact somebody's life and just from
you know, singing. It's actually it was a really cool observation.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I had saw.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
I wonder, I'm trying to think now that you mentioned that, like,
if there's any other artist out there the spans that bigger,
you know, that bigger thing.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
I would have thought the weekend honestly, because when we
started talking about this for the show, I said, how
old is he now?
Speaker 2 (16:52):
And I would have thought he was like in his
mid forties. He's like mid thirty too.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
I would have I would have thought that too all
the time.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
That's the thing when you when you come out and
you're twenty and twenty one, right and you have this stretch,
people were.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Like wow, like it seems like you've just been here forever.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
And he hasn't had like a flop yet, like an
album that, you know, because I got a little worried
about that when he started getting the acting and like,
all right now the music is going to fall off here. No,
it's the music. The acting wasn't that good, but the music,
because the.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Music will the music will always be good. But it's
just something that that's definitely a concert I'll never forget.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Early on they were comparing him to trying to make
it out like this generation's Michael, you know kind of thing,
and he.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Kind of he's got a little bit of the he's
got the performative he's thought they were. They were saying
Bruno Mars for this.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
He's also got that comparison a little bit, although he
you know.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
It's just because they kind of look like brun O
Mars and Michael Jackson. No and the Weekend Oh yay wow,
Oh no, I.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Need to get my cheaters clean man. Maybe a little
Michael little very true.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Finally six year old sex. You guys listen to sports,
but always showy Harris. Theyve Logan christ Smith back there
producing as well. I had a couple of texts coming
in from the three or three day. Do you recall
what Chad Johnson did the Champ on a Monday night
in Cincinnati in two thousand and four. I don't remember
a single money I listened.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
You know what I remember most about that trip was that?
Was that the.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
I think that was the game the Bengals got away
from the Broncos like in a big, big way.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Well, what was the look to see?
Speaker 3 (18:26):
I have to look if it was that game, I
can tell you what I remember most, and no, I
don't remember.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
I don't remember Champ getting torched.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Maybe it's convenient that I don't remember that, not to
say that he never got beat.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
But there was one game that that a back for the.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Bengals rushed for two hundred and seventy eight yards against
the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Was that Corey Dillon? I think was that the same game?
Speaker 1 (18:51):
This game was not that? This game, it was Rudy
Johnson that went for a buck twenty.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Rudy Johnson was kind of a second tier running back.
I mean, good play for sure. What did what did
Ocho Sinko do?
Speaker 1 (19:03):
You're trying to pull that Chad Johnson head seven targets
for a buck forty nine and a touchdown fifty which
came on one.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Okay, I mean that's that's I mean that's a good game.
That is a good game.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
I'm not saying Chad Chad Johnson couldn't play. I'm just saying,
when when you just off the top of my head,
when you say, hey, you're gonna go with the quarter
century all time NFL team the last twenty five years
back to two thousand, he would not be one of
the first two or three receivers that would pop into
my mind.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Well you're ready, Moss Calvin Johnson, Yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
I would take andre jo stats might not be what
everybody else is. You got to take into effect who
was throwing him the ball. And I think that right
there will put Andre Johnson above a.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Couple people that job online one.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Trust me, I was with my job, my rookie year,
and now name.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
That I would probably put. Try to sneak on that
list that I think I get the most pushback from.
But I think would surprise you be Derek Mason. Derek
would not.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Get a lot of love for the Belichick would not
have Derek Mason on that list.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Have you have you seen the video.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Or he's he always Belichick and the Patriots are beating
the breaks.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
It was at the Ravens at that point.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Right, But every corner I ever talked to who played
to that, every corner I talked to, was like, man,
Derek Mason was like one of the toughest covers, Like
Loki was like the toughest cover in that area.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
I would that's news to me. I wouldn't have said
that either.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
And okay, just going back to this bottom of the thing,
because it really bothered me during the break, so I
wouldn't just start doing some stats. Before he got hurt,
there was nobody like him. Yeah, before he got hurt.
And it was crazy because I was there and I
literally like I did somebody kick me? And then his
old ankle thing happened? Right, No, that was the day
(20:52):
that was like, literally there was a Friday practice and
before week one. That was a Friday practice before week one.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Yeah, and oh you know what, wait a minute, didn't
he tear his He tore his acl He.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Did the thing about the ankle.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
It was like a ligament that flipped and it wasn't
And it's I think it only has happened to a
tennis player in pro sports that's how rare his injury was.
And but before that, there was nobody messing with Von Miller.
And I'll tell you that.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah, the the ACL the right K and he was
twenty thirteen. Was that the game in Houston. I have
to go back and look.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
I just remember the year now, twenty twenty he had
the perennial tendon and the elbow continusion.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
That was a preseason I have torn that Tenton.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
I mean not that long ago, probably seven eight years
ago playing basketball, which why now I don't Yeah, it's it's.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
They said it's such a rare injury for like pro
athletes that not many people have had it. But man,
other than that one year when he tore his A
c insides the All Pro one or All Pro two,
and he has a couple of second place dp A
lines and his Pro Bowls every season, and he was
a beast. It's nobody messing with that. Nobody messing with
(22:11):
that bomb. He was a beast.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
I mean yeah, And it was one of those things
when he came out came out of A and M and.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
I saw him play quite a bit in college. But
when he came out of A and M. I was like,
you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
He might he might be a little, a little light
in the backstick because he was played like a forty
three end basically back there in college. He might be
a light, you know, for for what it is that
he does. I don't know if this is gonna. I
was so wrong on.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
That rookie year.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Came out with twenty nine QB, just eleven and a
half sex, then comes back the next year was eighteen
and a half sex. Mag I'm and I'm just saying that.
Obviously he's my former teammate. But the things I saw
him do, and I don't think anybody it.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Makes you wonder why he would not be in the list.
The Monday night game and it was a game in Cincinnati,
I don't think it was that game. There was another
game that the Bengals really put it on the Broncos.
So you had there, you have a clock when the
game ends, you know, I've got a certain amount of
time to do the postgame show. At that point, we
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were going down and getting interviews to the locker room,
and then when you lock out, you know you've got
twenty you got twenty two minutes from the time you
lock out to get from the booth, get all the
equipment out of the booth, and get down to the bus.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Right. So it was me and the Wizard Kenny Daanen,
who has since retired. We lock out.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
It's a Monday night game, so it's about one o'clock
in the morning, Cincinnati time. We go down, have to
carry the equipment down the stairs, out into the stadium
and across the field. We make it. I'm looking okay,
seventeen minutes, We're fine. We walk through the corridors of
underneath the stadium in one of the security guards. I said, hey,
point me to the Broncos bus. He goes, Broncos bus.
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They left. I said, no, they couldn't have left. And
look at my clock because we've got five minutes so
they got to be. He goes, no, they're they're down there,
and they listen, we walked down here. Where are the buses? No,
they're they're gone. By that time, my cell phone rings.
It's Roach, Alan, Roach who did sidelines at that point,
and he goes by. Now I know you're pissed. I said, dude,
(24:24):
did you guy? And I'll clean it up? I said,
did you fellas leave me, he said, Dave. We did
everything we could. We told them you're not here. I
said are, I said are you? And then I had
a creator I said, I used adjectives in a very
creative sort of way.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
I said are you? Are you fellas actually on.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
The highway and worse stand yes, I'm like, so I've
talked to it police.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I said, where can we get a cab?
Speaker 3 (24:53):
We got to get to the airport, which was in Kentucky,
I believe, And they said they know cabs coming down here.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
It's one o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
So we're walking outside the stadium pulling the equipment. There's
a police officer in a car with this window rolled
down about an inch. So I said, hey, sir, is
there any we need to find a cab? So he
gets out of the car, his the driver and the pastor.
Both police officers say who you guys? We need to
see some ID. So I'm like, come on, so pull
(25:23):
the id, give him the ID, get the flash light out.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
He goes.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
I said, we're I said, I'm the play buff voice
of the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
He's an engineer.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
We've got to get to the airport so we don't
miss that flight. He goes Dave Logan, David Logan. He said,
there was a Dave Logan that was a wide Now
we're in Cincinnati. This is a true story. He said,
there's there was a Dave Logan that they play wide
receiver for the Browns. At that point, I've got about
three seconds because they hate Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
I'm thinking, do I say that was me? Or do
I say, like, no, it's not me. I said that's me.
He goes, that's you. I said that's no. He says.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
So he was so cool about this. He goes, we
we talked for like thirty seconds. He goes, man, get in.
So we're in the canine unit right the screen.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
So unfortunately it was no dog.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Me and Kitty in the backseat, like looking through the cage.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
This dude puts the lights.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
On top and he turns around through the cage and says,
this never happened. He said, okay, here we take off,
and brother, when I tell you we are flying on
the highway, we pull up onto the tarmac just as
they're loading up the final stuff with the equipment, and
we make the flight. And I sent those two officers
(26:42):
gift certificates to have dinner at in Cincinnati as soon
as I got back to Denver. Mate, that's the only
time I got left.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
In thirty five years.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
That's cool, man, that's a lifetime.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Dog be here.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
Please, don't I thought Cleveland was bad, but Jesus Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Oh my oh, at one o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
But I mean, and the good thing that you got recognized,
at least that helps you out left and I get recognized.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
That the best thing in Cincinnati is a motel six
and so.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Right now is from Cincinnati. By the way, that's a
skyline ChIL over there. Oh my god. That's why it's
so small, because it happens, well, it's close enough. It's
the same basically the same thing. But I did live
there for a while. Bengels fan, I was always talking
about his love for the Bengals.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
No he's not Joe Burr Mayby. Oh my god, that's
get the pipe up roaches. Think, I see how you are, right.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Man, it's right. Oh, that's a great story though.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
I mean, that's I wonder you know, in the in
the history of that and the all time you know,
get left behind, that's got to be up there.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Well, most people just have to catch a fly. That's
the only time for me. I mean, I was thinking
I got to get back, you know, the high school.
We got practice the next day. It's like, I can't
get stranded here in Cincinnati one o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
How would that work with the international game in your
high school?
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Scho So the Broncos will So we'll fly to Philadelphia.
I'm assuming I'll fly with the team, do the game.
The team will fly from Philadelphia to London. I'll fly
from Philadelphia back to Denver, get here practice with the
high school team. We Fortunately I got I got a
bit of a break because we.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Play Thursday night. Oh cure. So I've already.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Bought a ticket, NonStop ticket Denver to London Friday, leave
like five. There's two nonstops today, firsts at five thirty
in the afternoon. So I'll leave Friday five thirty in
the afternoon. I land in London like whatever, Saturday afternoon
at three.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Perfect.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Last I was to say, last time you got out there.
Last time.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
By the grace of the good Lord I had. I
had friends who were nice enough to put me on.
They were going to London on their own plane, and I.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Got to ride with them. We left it.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
But but the game, the high school game was Friday night.
They waited. We left at three o'clock in the morning
Friday or Saturday morning, flew to Bangor, Maine, refueled, got
back in, flew to London, landed at like ten o'clock
Saturday night, you know, went to the hotel, went to bed,
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got up, called the game, and then came back with
the team.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
So I need some more friends like that style.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Just in case, Jack and Mary, thank you very much.
And to make things worse, we lost the game on Friday,
So I want to really talk to nobody.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
The whole place in the back of the plane.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
By myself, didn't sleep a lick, just that I cannot
believe we lost that game.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Was I don't remember? Yeah, does he know I don't
remember all of them?
Speaker 4 (30:09):
That's nothing that he's going to freaking out?
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Like the competitive because you were competitive people, you know,
and so like that's what it was.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Say do you do you love the winner? You hate
to loose? Man? I hate I hate to lose. I
remember every loss. I remember every lost.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
And in Black Jazz, the wins you couldn't.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
You know. I And with my career in the league,
I guess I could remember all the wins because because
it hasn't been very many of them.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Well, hey man, you've been in the league.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Oh no, and I would say last year I've been
to I've been in like twelve years. I've been in
the playoffs twice. Other than that, I don't think I
had a season where I won over five games. I've
one brocol year. I think one year we won seven
with VIC nine were like seventy nine. Other than that,
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I'm talking about three four that my career started losing
like ten to twelve straight. No, we lost ten straight. Yeah,
and then we want the Chiefs on Thursday night in
the rain game. That was my first NFL win was
ten weeks into the year. Actually eleven weeks we were
zer and ten.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
What was your first wing, Sell, I guess it would
had been Seattle.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
Yeah, that's the craziest part about it. I get trade
the Seattle and just to be honest, I'm thinking we
I'm like looking, I'm like we can look like we
had the worst roster in the league. There were a
lot of people like that, Like, geez, it was a
surprising year. No, very surprising, because I've said I didn't
know anything about the guys in Seattle. I didn't know
anything about I've never seen most of them play. I
was not excited. I'm my dog like I just got traded.
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We just flipped. They're about to go win. I'm about
to go right back in the same position we just
were in. Oh man, I remember. I remember like literally
talking to my Wife's like, dude, like, why does the
league hate me so much? Like what did I do
to do? If you call your wife dude, she'll hate
you too. No, dude, all the time, I'm like, dude,
like and sometimes I'm throwing a bro in there.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Come on, bro right, I know. So now my four
year old be like, what's up?
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Bro?
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Oh no, that was because that was an interesting thing.
We're talking about Kevin Durankett and traded. How did you
feel like when you first got that call, Like, how
did it? How does it affect the guy when you then?
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I think I told you the story happened. I you
know where I was.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
I was in the Bronco facility. I just got done
working out. I was with Big Televin again like Sosa,
and you know, we literally eat like you with like
eating lunch, you know, just chilling and then pops up
on the screen. Russell Wilson getting traded to the Broncos
when I say, I got up into the victory lap
around the facility and I'm like, oh, hell yeah, we
got a QB.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
I looked down on my phone and I got George
Peyton called me, you know, like in this league, you know,
you know what the gams calling you like, and something
that just happened. I'm turning to Sosa to being like,
there's no fn am. I think I'm in this trade
because I'm if. I called my wife because we you know,
we got married almost ten years ago, but we didn't
have our wedding until the year of the trade. And
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she's literally getting a dress fitting, her final dress fitting.
I said, so, like, I know you're busy, but.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Try to be called. I'm trying to be the call.
I'm like, yo, like.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
We just got traded. And she's like, you know, I'll
play around a lot. And she said what you mean?
She said, shut that up. There's no like she said,
you know, I'm over here doing this. Why would you
do that right now? I'm like, dude, like I'm not joking,
and she's like, yo, Like they had to like try
to like She's like, I'm over here crying. She's ryder
because I cried. I cried like a baby. I wasn't
because my family's here, you know what I mean. Like
(33:45):
we had a good like we had a real good
thing here. Just it was home. And so then I
go up to this go see George Payton after, you know,
he's like, hey, are you around. I'm gonna talk to
you know, hey, if you're here, I heard you're in
the building, come up and talk to me. All right, George.
So I go up there and talk to me. It's like,
you know, you know, didn't want to do this, but
the deal doesn't get done if you're not in it.
And I'm like, all right, well, you know I did
(34:07):
the oblatory like thank you for everything, thank you forgetting
my shot. Because the Broncos, that's why it's such a
connection to Denver. They're the ones who really gave me
my first shot in the league for my alb. Came
here as a fourth year player on a futures deal,
you know, fighting for a spot my first year. I
don't make the team. If Jared Creek, Billy Win, Derek
wolf All don't go down with injuries during camp, Zach
(34:29):
Kirk gets hurt by the game, and so then I
go and I had and I have three sacks against
Green Bay. Yeah, and then here I am you know
what I mean.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
So you've been here with six five years at that.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
Point, I was that was my fifth year here, and
I was like, all right, six years, Like damn. I
kind of cemented no, And then you know, the league
has a way of when you get too comfortable, of
ruffling the feathers and kind of throwing you out there.
So then you know it worked out. Yeah, it really
worked out. But then you know that that right there
will always be a moment where you know, I haven't
(35:02):
the emotions felt never I'll never probably feel again.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
We will get into a little bit more of that
or maybe something else. Maybe it's a little more exciting
when we come back after the breaking
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