06-26-25 KOA Sports Hour 1 with Benjamin Allbright

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's bitchmit all right. Dave Logan here with you.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Rockies losen to the Dodgers three to one. Chance talk
Jack Corgan here a little bit about that. So of
the moves the Rockies have made today. Andrew Chavelli with
the lost one and three on the season. Clayton Kershaw
with the win. Four and oh six innings, pitch, two hits,
one run, one earned for Kershaw. Gobber started for the Rockies,
played pretty well five innings, allowed four hits, one run,

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one earned, walk into strikeout on the Rockies side of
the hitting.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Their run came on a home run from Brenton Doyle.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Dodgers, of course, got a home run out of Showhai
o'tani as well. Rockies swept by the Dodgers on the road,
with a quick road trip to the Brewers next Rockies.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
I don't know, man, We're at eighteen wins at this point.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
That fifty mark is starting to look like it might
be a little bit of a struggle.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
And doing good.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Ben, Yeah, that's that ticket on that fifty wins. I
might be tearing that one. Hey, we've talked about this before.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
The season has been so bad, and I wondered, oh,
I don't know two three weeks ago whether or not
this could be possible. And I had a friend of
mine that stopped to get something to drink before I
came in non alcoholic, by the way, and happened to
run into him at the coffee shop, and he knew
the Rocks were behind at that point three to one,

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and he said, man, it's kind of exciting because the
game's close.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
I mean, this is a baseball I mean, this is
a baseball guy.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
Yeah, it's like, hey, three to one, still competitive, still
in the game. And when you have to start to
a season that is this bad, then I don't know
if you call it a moral victory, you call it gosh.
At least they're playing close baseball, But it almost seems
like today's game at three to one was a step

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up two at times how they've played in the first
couple of months.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
I mean, there is something too. At least we're competitive,
I guess.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
I guess there's not in Major League Baseball, though, right
or not? In professional sports, I don't know what I mean,
do you look at it that way?

Speaker 1 (02:15):
I don't. I losso last I hate I hate, I
hate to lose. I hate to lose. It anything.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
I hate to lose it the red light, like, okay,
I hate to lose. And I am so competitive. I'm
not fun to play games with because I'm like, you know, Monopoly, like,
I'm competitive.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
I just I hate to lose it anything.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
And so anytime, you know, at this point with the Rockies,
my victory is And I talked with us about with
Rick Lewis about this who you guys had and yesterday
it was a great show, by the way, thanks. I
talked with him about it on his morning show, I
think last week or whatever. I'm like, yeah, and the
only joy I'm getting out of this is betting against
the Rockies, so that one way or another, I'm getting

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a victory, either they win or I'm winning money.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
You know, That's that's a pretty good way to sort
of sort of cover your first right, either way you
win the money or they get a win.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yeah, And I mean it's to me, it's it's tough
to derive anything. Because when the Astros were dumping games,
when they cleared house, they sent letters out to the
season ticket holders.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
They were dumping game.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
They knew they were bringing guys up from the farm system.
They were going to be young and reboot the whole thing.
They had a plan to it, and they announced it
to the fans and all this kind of stuff. If
the Rockies are doing that, the plan doesn't seem very evident.
The minor league system doesn't look as right with talent
as Houston did, and they certainly haven't indicated that to
the fans or the ticket holders.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
I mean, I don't get You're right. I don't get
a sense that's what they're doing. And I think if they,
if they were doing that, they probably should have said
something a lot earlier. They're playing young guys, they've had
they've had injuries in the starting rotation, and again it's
been the same sort of song and dance honestly over

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the years. I mean, the rotation, if it could stay healthy.
There have been years where the top four guys look like,
you know what, pretty good, pretty good staff, but the
depth has rarely been there. And in baseball, especially throwing
the ball, you're going to have injuries to crop up.

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And the Rockies the last this year and certainly last year,
have had a number of injuries to their starting rotations.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
So I mean it's frustrating. There's no doubt about that.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
I think it's going to be interesting to follow the
rest of the season and see exactly what Dick Montford
has in mind at the end of the year.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
While he tipped his hand on one part of that,
he did promoted his oldest son mid one of the
worst starts in baseball history.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Rockies are on pace to win thirty seven games this year.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Walker Momfort, though named executive VP of the Rockies and
will immediately begin leading the team alongside outgoing president and
COO Ray Fiesel, who's stepping down at the end of
this year after thirty seasons in their front office.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Team announced that put that out today.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Walker, who's thirty eight, had been the team's VP of
Corporate Partnership since twenty fifteen and will officially resume assume
his responsibility in January. Do we put anything into this maneuver?

Speaker 3 (05:11):
I mean, I've known Greg a long time friend of mine,
played a few years in the NFL, and and I think,
I mean, Greg has brought him some stability, He's brought
him some awareness in terms of the business side of it.
So I don't know exactly what Walker dick Son, what

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exactly his his duties will encompass. So and I read
the same press release that you are reading from, and
I think it doesn't really address that. Not not that
I guess it doesn't have to, but I think I
think people would like to know, Hey, you know what
exactly with this title, what exactly what departments is the over?

Speaker 1 (05:57):
What? How do you how do you what do you.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
Expect from him moving forward in this particular position.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yeah, if he's Will joined the Rockies in ninety five
as the VP of sales and marketing, and you know,
worked his way up from there. Walker began at an
entry level position. He was on the grounds crew, game
day promotions, ticketing, you know, all that kind of stuff
he started.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
You know he's doing. He's worked a everything business to
his credit.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
But yeah, there's nothing, there's nothing delineating what this does
or what this changes other than moving someone who's been
a pillar of the Rockies for thirty years out and
replacing him with the owner's son, which immediately the fan base,
at least on Twitter, was jumping to the nepotism label
for that maneuver. I don't know how this affects the baseball.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
Yeah, I think I mean, listen, Rockies fans are I think,
I think it would be safe to say at an
all time high in terms of their frustration level. They're
still showing up, still averaging whatever it is, twenty twenty
seven game, something like that, but the frustration level I

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think isn't an all time high, and understandably so.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
So to me, Dick and he didn't care, you.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
Know what I say about this, But to me, he'd
be better holding a press conference and talking about this
season and then illuminating the fans in terms of here's
the plan of what we're going to do. The fact
that he hasn't he really hasn't made himself available. I

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mean we usually sit down and talk with him before
every home opener, and I think we've talked with the
Rockies owner every single home opener except this year. The
Rockies declined to make Dick available. So for whatever reason,

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but that's not a good look to me. And I
think you as the owner of the team, and I
like Dick, and I've gotten to know Dick fairly well
over the years, but he'd be better served coming out
and addressing this god awful season and giving the fans
an idea like, hey, what what do you have in mind?

Speaker 1 (08:14):
Here's what I have in mind as owner of the Rockies.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
Right, We're gonna go out, We're gonna We're not going
to go out and look for new people. I'm going
to promote my son to I mean, but here, I
mean give give fans from you, the owner of the team,
a blueprint as much as you can talk about how
this season has affected you, because I can't imagine Dick

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is in the greatest of moods with how his team
is played. Talk about that because they're then they're able
to sort of you're able to personalize that. But instead
he's he's really gone dark. And I just think I
think the frustrational level of the fans will continue to
grow based on how this team continues to lose.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
I tend to okay, well, a good chance to talk
with Jack Corgan about that. Bring on the Voice of
the Colorado Rockies, Jack Corgan. Jack Dave was very astutely
pointing out that I think that the fan base is
in an all time high in terms of their frustration
with this team. Rockies get swept by the Dodgers here
at home. There is some news today as Walker Montfort
is going to be promoted to take over Feesle's role.

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But is that a needle mover at all? And what
does that signal for the Rockies going forward?

Speaker 4 (09:28):
Well, I will tell you from within the organization, it's
very positive news. I think Walker Montfort's intelligence is leadership qualities,
the fact that everybody knows him in the organization and

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that he carries himself as the leader of a team,
not the owner's son. As most of the fans are
going to squawk and say it's all part of the nepotism,
it's it's a very good first step. There are a
lot of things that have to be done, but I

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like what he has talked about already, what I've talked
about with him privately. I mean we knew at some
point as the organization and that's you know, that's today
was the first step towards that happening.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
Hey, Jack, let me ask you with with Greg deciding
that he would depart after I think it's like thirty
years did our thirty seasons? Did that did that move
now surprise you? And if it did not surprise you.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
Why.

Speaker 4 (10:56):
No, it didn't surprise me. I think for a couple
of reasons. I think that there would you know, as
as best I can tell about things without being in
on private conversations and all of that. I think as
this retooling, rebuilding, reconstructing, all those re words you want

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to use was taking place, it makes sense to have
a younger leader at the helm and I make, you know,
doing it in transition this year I think makes a
lot of sense. But I'm not totally surprised that happened.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Talking with Jack Corgan, Voice of the Rockies in moving
Walker up and maybe this, uh, this brings fresh ideas.
Maybe it does bring a younger perspective, you know, in
those terms.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
As we look at this.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Thing, I see a lot of the fans that say that,
you know, requesting for the mom for to sell. And
I don't think that's the thing that's that's going to happen.
But I think that there are two divergent paths here
to sort of look at this thing.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Because Dick Momfort has crafted a very fun fan experience.
There is evidence by the turnout.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
We got twenty six thousand people still showing up the games, right,
so it's still it's a.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
Fun fan experience.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
So from that ownership perspective, I think they're doing a
good job. The problem here it appears, is the product
on the field, the baseball on the field. What's to
stop this team from going out and signing somebody like
a Hedecki Kurayama, who is a legend in Japanese baseball,
to come out here and.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
Just overhaul the baseball top to bottom? Is it?

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Is it the internal attitude? Is it no interest in
something like that? What would keep this franchise from just
harshly pivoting from what they've done that has led to
a season like this.

Speaker 4 (12:44):
Well, first of all, I don't know that you can
harshly go top to bottom doing a change. I think
there will be significant changes. I liked what monfre Is
that wants or Montfort talked about today when he said,
we need to look at what Milwaukee's doing, what Arizona's doing,

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what Cleveland's doing. Teams in similar circumstances in terms of
media revenue, because that is the money driver in baseball.
But those franchises, those markets are in similar circumstances as

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the Rockies, and they've done a better job in terms
of drafting and developing talent, making asute trades, and the
Rockies have to see what they're not doing in their
setup that the other teams are and how do they
get there? And I think that's refreshing to hear from

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Walker and to be honest, guys, to bring somebody else
in from someplace else, it still has to be Dick
signing off on it. And I'm not saying that father
and son are always on the same page about things,

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but I would think Walker, as he develops in this job,
is going to be able to push more at his
father to make changes that maybe an outsider who needs
to be concerned about staying in his job might not make.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
We're talking to Jack Corgan's voice of the Rockies. He
and Jerry shim will call each and every Rockies game
right here on KOA. My final question, and I've been
thinking about this obviously a lot this season because it's
been it's just been that kind of season I know
in football in the NFL, when you know a team

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goes through maybe a two or three or four or
five game losing streak, I mean, it can be that
locker room can be pretty tense, and it can be
a difficult place to come to work every day because
you are grinding so hard and the coaches are just

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trying to find a way to win. So I've never
I've played baseball, but never obviously played Major League baseball. Jack,
You've been around the game forever, calling games in Cleveland
and here in Colorado. What's your sense on how these players,
given what they're going through this year in terms of
wins and losses, how they're dealing with this from a

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psychological standpoint. How do they make this work other than
the fact that they are paid to do so?

Speaker 4 (15:54):
Great question, Dave, and I've been around, you know, between
my time in Cleveland and some of the years here
in Colorado with teams that you know, had loss after
loss and some really tough stretches. I give Bud Black
of the start, and especially since Warren Schafer has taken over,

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the attitude in that clubhouse is much better than people realize.
I mean, they're positive about who they are and what
they can be. It's not showing up yet on the field,
and that's probably still going to take more time. I
think we will continue to see this roster being adjusted

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as the year goes along and certainly going into next season.
But I think the attitude, the energy level in the
clubhouse and among the coaching staff is a lot better
than people think it would be based on what's happening
with the year I loved. Hunter Goodman said to me

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the other day, and Benjamin, I heard you, you know,
which everybody does, which is fine. You know, the Rockies
are on a pace for thirty six wins, the worst
record in baseball history. And Hunter Goodman says, how do
you know that that we're going to play exactly the
same the rest of the years we've played so far,
because we're already playing better than we were in May,

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and what's to say we can't keep improving on that.
Not that they're going to go to the playoffs, but
that's kind of the attitude from the people who are
going to be around for what they hope is the
transformation the Goodman's and the Tovars and you know those players.

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So I think it's pretty pretty good in the clubhouse,
you know, with eighteen wins through half the season.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Well, let's hope they turn it around up there in Milwaukee.
Look forward to listening to you and Jerry on the
call up there on that quick row trip.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
And we appreciate your time as always.

Speaker 4 (18:01):
Jack, not a problem guys anytime.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Thanks Jack, Absolutely take care of Jack Corgan voice of
the Rockies.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
We got to hit a break. We come back.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
You made draft started last night. Get'll chess talk about that.
Listen to k Wait Sports Jack Off Air to grad
after the call there talked about the you know, did
Josh Kronkey moving up with the Kronkey organization? Maybe fresh
Blood could do that. I would suggest that that's probably
wishful thinking on my part, but I'm willing to give
it a shot.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
Well, we really don't have many choices. I would say,
I think Josh, and I've said this before, I think
Josh Cronkey understands basketball. He played basketball, was a good
player later at a high level, played University of Missouri,
been around a lot of basketball, and I think I
think that gives him an edge a little bit in

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terms of comparing his ownership group to other owners around
the NBA. That said, I think it's easier to get
things turned around to the NBA because you can hit
on one guy. I mean, the Nuggets hit on Nikola
Jokic in the second round and it dramatically changed the fortunes.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
Of this franchise, right.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
I mean they they asked one years before Joki was drafted,
but once it became apparent to everybody.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
And then they decided to make to make the trade. Uh,
and you had Jokich as you're starting center. Well, then
everything kind of kind of fell into place. So I
think it's easier to change really the direction of an
NBA team, much more so than what's going on with
the Major League Baseball team.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
I mean in baseball, I mean, you got to wait
for guys to get there to the majors. You know,
how many of those guys are instant draft to the
you know, straight to the pros kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
I mean, the Bryce Harper's of this world are not schemes.
You've got a few, but they're few and far between
in the reality.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
And even in one player in baseball is not changing
the fortune as much as one player in basketball definitively, can.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
You know, change your immediate future? I guess yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
I mean, and I would challenge the Rockies to go back.
I mean with Walker Montford, go back and decide, really,
who who you want to be? I mean, what, you know,
what's what's the culture here with this organization? What kind
of baseball team do you want? I mean, they've gone
from when you think back to the Blake Street Bombers.

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They've gone from you know, that sort of addition of
the Rockies, which said, hey, whatever, you may put ten
up on us, but we're probably going to put twelve
up on you.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
And it was exciting.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
Now I think people that are longtime baseball fans started
to get a little bit frustrated with it and wanted
more conventional baseball.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
And so then the human or.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
And and they thought they went from you know, scored
a lot of runs to to not but but they
did so trying to accentuate homegrown pitchers and there were
ways really that you could have added to your offense,
even stealing bases, right, they didn't feel the team they

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fielded a team that was supposedly good on defense and
had a really good starting rotation. But when they did that,
then their ability to score suffered, and especially when they
left coursefield the one on the road. So decide who,
I mean, decide who you are, and try to build
with those ideas in mind in terms of the people

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that you acquire.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
And I think that's I think that is the point.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
You need to find what your identity is going to
be and then coach that the talent coming up to
and acquire the talent coming up to fit that identity.
I know, I keep mentioning in Hideki Kiriyama, and that's
probably a far fetched thought. I don't think, you know,
they'd necessarily do that. But he is one of the
most innovative guys in baseball. He's one of the best
managers in Japanese baseball history, and he kind of goes
against the orthodoxy on some of these things, playing small

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ball at times, you know, with defensive shifts and how
he does things, and I I feel like that having
somebody with that sort of knowledge in the organization, just
bring him as a consultant to get, you know, to
restructure this thing top to bottom, and you can you
can start to take advantage of the fact that we
can find different ways to beat people because we can't
compete with the Dodger's dollar for dollar.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
Well, I agree, I mean, I you know, it's maybe
you know, that's an easy I agree.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
I think it's going to be fascinating the remaining portion
of this this regular season to see what Walker Montford
comes up with and and and how he conveys some
of those ideas.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
I'm assuming he will.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
He did today, but moving forward, what what they're looking for?

Speaker 1 (22:41):
I mean, you still thinking about this. Who's going to
be the skipper next year? Yeah? You go stay with Schaeffer.
I mean, what what what are you going to do?

Speaker 2 (22:49):
I think that depends on how much improve we talked about.
Jack talked about improvement. I think how much improvement would
would sort of play into that. We do know the
other like the Rockies love to continue to keep and
promote within in the Rockies culture.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
We'll see another league that.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
Was trying to improve its fortunes last night, the NBA Draft, which,
by the way, they're turning this into like a two
day thing. If you're seeing this, the NBA is trying
to do two days the NBA Draft. They try to
make it like the NFL, and I'm like, I don't
think you have enough interest in this like the NFL
does with their draft to make it a two day event.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
Listen, I love the NBA, follow the NBA, love the Nuggets.
Grew up as an NBA guy, I enjoy that brand
of basketball. That said, I didn't watch the draft last night.
I mean Cooper Flag and a handful of other players
I could have named before last night, but the majority
of guys that were picked in the first round, never

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mind tonight's second round I'm not familiar with.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
And that's sort of the thing I mean, as we
look at this, like you have to have an identifiable
brand to be able to put on that kind of
product where the draft is an event like the NFL does.
Like you got those guys in college football. Everybody knows
who those guys. Everybody knows in the top hundred picks
in college football? Are these guys are four or forign
basketball players? And nobody's watching the euro League. You know,
you got guys out of out of Israeli basketball, you

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get uh, you know, you got guys out of the
out of the French leagues. They gets they nobody watched,
out of the Arabia. Yeah, you got guys that nobody's watched.
And it's it's difficult to see. There were a couple
of things last night that kind of jumped out at me.
I mean, obviously, I think everybody knew who the won
two picks were gonna be. But then it started getting
a little eyebrow raising after that, as uh, you know,
Bailey didn't go thirty, wound up going fifth to the
Jazz did not look exactly an.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
Amber did not exactly look at an Amber.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
To be headed to Utah, of all places. The Pelicans
job moved up and draft Derrek Queen. That was I
think a surprise to a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
He was projected. Go later. You had Phoenix double it up.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
They traded for Mark Williams and then they go out
get the center from Duke. Uh, they're doubling up on
making sure they've got the.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
Duke at the one, two, four. Three players in the
top ten. Yeah, they have four in the top ten.
I think they had four in the first round. Maybe
I have to go back and look in the top ten. Sure, yeah,
in the top four.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
And so I mean, you know, what's the academy that
flag went to. That's not really a high school that
they right now. It's Monta Mona, monta Verde, whatever it was.
They played basketball. They had four of their guys drafted. Yeah,
so it's you know, it's fascinating from that perspective. The
Miami Heat got Kasparis Jackie. However you pronounced his last

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name the Kaspar's kid from where did potball?

Speaker 1 (25:26):
I'm blanking anyway, he's he's uh, he's.

Speaker 5 (25:28):
Uh it Illinois yes, yeah, yeah, I think it was Illinois.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
He's a pretty good player, but he dropped all the
way to twenty. A lot of people expected him to
go much much higher. Portland comes out and gets Yang Hanson. Uh,
nobody had him going in.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
The first round, even mister Henson and Uh.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
Then you had CSU player going to the first round
of the OKC Thunder.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
Yeah last night that a lot of people thought was
the second rounder.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
So there was a there was a couple of things
I think that were that were interesting about that flag.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Where do you think they're going to play him?

Speaker 2 (25:59):
Because I think he's probably a three to start in
the NBA. You put Davis another big man out there.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
Yeah, I think he is.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
I mean, I think he's got a chance to be
just an unbelievable player in the league.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
He's he's right.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
At six nine ish. He's got a good handle, he's
he's got ability to shoot the ball from the perimeter,
good hops, I mean, really on a basketball.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
And this kid's young. I think he's eighteen, yeah, nineteen,
but yeah, he's he is really young.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
So I would be he's one of those guys when
he comes out, you know, when a guy like that
comes out after a year. You say, a lot of
those kids, even in the first round. I mean, they're
they're gonna have to have something to break right for
him in order for them to have great NBA careers. Right,
it's a little bit like the NFL in terms of

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how they how they draft quarterbacks in the first round.
But Cooper Lag I think is going to be an
All star quickly in the NBA. And if he stays healthy,
he's gonna be a guy that'll play ten twelve plus
years and just I think be a great great player.
I mean Dallas, if they get Kyrie back completely healthy,

(27:17):
I think Dallas is going to be a problem for
a lot of teams in the West.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
Adding flagged like his strength is the fact that he
makes everybody better passing on top Like he can hit
the shots, but he's passing, it's like.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
Everybody better on top of it. You know. It was
a surefire six eight one.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
And he turns nineteenth on the December twenty first I'd
looked that up, so yeah, he's still eighteen years old.
My goodness, my guidance Castle tell me about to you know, stretch,
what's that stretch thing that you've seen that they get
the surgery now where they can stretch your bones out
make it taller.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
No, yeah, I get some surgery where some guy guys
I saw that was on Braveheart.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Yeah, they got some surgery out there. This guy did
this leg leg thing. Think so he could be like
four inches taller or whatever. Well, they go in to
break your bone, break your balls and do like a
graft thing to make you taller or whatever.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Take this the right way. You're not thinking about that,
are you.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
I mean, look, I'm twenty years ago. If this had
been available, Well, you're not old. I'm forty four years old.
Forty five is you're up to old? I mean how
long you're hoping to stay? I mean not like you're
you're eighty five. No, but I'm just well if I
make it that long, I uh for me. No, But
I mean there was a time because my dad was

(28:26):
six three, my brother's six two like that everybody.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
But okay, I'm on five feet and that's what happened.
I got I split. The difference was begging me to
ask what happened? I mean, I thought, my mom's five feet.
Are you the are you the shortest one of the family? U? No,
My youngest brother, Joel, is about it, but it is
shorter than me.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
But other than that, yeah, I was they were expecting
me to hit six two sixty three, you know that
kind of thing, and then.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
I hit five.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Maybe you're a late bloomer. Yeah, I'm real, extremely late bloomer.
Almost a senior citizen at this point.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
Yeah. No, but I mean twenty years ago or twenty
five years ago. Yeah, I was a kid in high school.
I'm sitting there, five to ten. No what, I'm not
getting the offers because five to ten, Like.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
But listen, five ten in high school. I'll bet that
is let me see, I bet that's an average height.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
But right, I mean it wasn't bad. Yeah, five ten,
but I knew there was nothing.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
I mean, given my height weight, I knew there was
nothing after high school for me. I mean it was
just you know, I mean I yeah, well belt, but
I mean, you know, there was nothing after that at
that point.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
So I was like, yeah, I might have considered. You know,
the whole.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Reason they started me early was because they were like, hey,
he's gonna hit six to two, and you know we'll
start you know, so here you sit, uh huh, and
here I am dark with a microphone in front of me.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
Some of the things that came out over the day.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
The NHL the players union had discussion about going to
an eighty four game season in hockey. Are we in
favor of expanding? I mean, obviously football's expanded to seventeen,
and we know they're headed eighteen, so they want to
add two games. They want to add two games, go
from eighty two to eighty four.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
First of all, what other than revenue? What, what's what's
the draw there?

Speaker 2 (29:54):
I mean, all of a sudden, maybe you get records broken,
just like you know, by the artificial inflation of games,
you give me next records for I can't.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
Imagine the players would be in favor of that, would they?
You know, hockey players seem much more amenable to almost
anything other than or rather than NFL inmation league baseball players.
But what I mean, it doesn't make I saw that
and then I thought that can't be right. Eighty four

(30:21):
Maybe it's ninety four, but that add two games? What
do we well? It evens out the scheduling.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
So with the league with thirty two teams each division,
you're playing each division opponent four times three against the
other division and two against those in the other conference.
It sort of evens out the math in terms of
the scheduling, like how we have the seventeen game season now,
and you're kind of like, all right, who gets the
bonus home game and who doesn't, and which will they'll
use to force the eighteenth game at some point.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
That's really what it is.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
I mean, at the end of the day, it evens
out the scheduling and you get a little bit more
revenue for the ownership.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
Okay, again, two games to me, not a hilt to
die on.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Meanwhile, you've got Adam Silver in the NBA who are
looking into all these injuries that have accrued and talking
about shortening the NBA regular season.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
Yeah, I mean we've got Is it not curious to
you when you go back and look at some of
the old school stuff and if you're an NBA fan
of any any sort of vintage and I was thinking
about this today, I just don't remember hearing about so

(31:25):
many Achilles tears in NBA basketball. I mean over the years,
back when you know, Bird and Magic were playing, even
even you know I was a fan before those two
guys got in the league. I just don't remember and
a lot of guys were wearing low top tennis shoes
and there was no such thing as load management. So

(31:46):
my question would be, what exactly is going on here?
Why are we seeing I mean, guys are trying to
fight through calf injuries and you do have I mean,
you've got You've got to be careful obviously when you
do that, because you are much more likely to damage
your Achilles tendon when you're when you're dealing with the

(32:07):
CAF injury, you tend to run a little bit different,
You put different pressure on the ankle. You I mean,
you've got to obviously be very careful. I just don't
remember that many achilles injuries in the NBA, and we've
seen a bunch of them the last couple of.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Years, well just specifically this year. Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
The Orthopedic what is it, the Oarthpaic Journal of Medicine
has chronicled this, that has data back to nineteen ninety.
From nineteen ninety to twenty twenty three, the NBA average
of achilles tendon tears players per season was one point
three six.

Speaker 5 (32:37):
I was going to say three, so less than one
and a half basically two, yeah, less than two per
season from nineteen ninety to twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four,
twenty five season, we had eight players go down.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
So in the last two years prior to prior to.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Halliburton, eight players went down in this past season and playoffs.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
So nine yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
Yeah, So, I mean, the question obviously would be what
why are teams doing anything differently or players doing things differently?

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Is the foot where different? Again? You know, guys back
in the day used to wear low cut tennis shoes.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
Now everybody's you know, I mean, I'm assuming guys are
weren't high high tops, right, Oh.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Some of some of them have low to everybody's got
their own shoe deals, you know these days.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
One thing I did find out because I made some
calls on this to an orpheedic person.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
So I started getting way in the weeds on this
just because it it peaued my curiosity. The angle between
the tibia and the foot is smaller than forty eight degrees,
you have an extremely heightened risk of Achilles injury.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
I want to measure that.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
That's some of I'm like, how do you, I mean,
are you a strong association I'm reading the quote here
starring association with heightened risk of Achilles injury when the
angle between the tibia and the foot is smaller than
forty eight degrees.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
The tibia in the foot. Yeah, this, I mean this
is This was the direct quote given to me by aner.
So how do you measure that that? I don't know?
This is I've got text out on this. This is
all stuff I found out. What's how good is it doing?
I get that quote from an orthopedic guy. It's in
a rabbit hole. I'm trying to figure out.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
You know, this is one of those things I'm trying
to I'm sure he's doing orthopedic surgeon things and not
answering the you know, the weird doork in Denver that's
trying to find out what how you measure this angle?

Speaker 1 (34:14):
Again? And and the Achilles the quote there is.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
A anything that forces the ankle into rapid, deep dor suflection,
which is a word I totally knew before today. There
is a strong association with a heightened risk of Achilles
injury when the angle between the tibia and foot is
smaller than forty eight degrees.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
I've said, you're staring down at my tibia.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
Yeah, I'm saying I don't.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
Know, do I need what? Do I need a protractor
to like measure the angle? Measure? Right? I have?

Speaker 2 (34:45):
I have no idea how to figure that out. But
apparently that's like a thing, and so that may be
the thing. There may be like too much padding in
the back heel of the shoes.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Now that's pushing that angle to be smaller and putting
guys at higher risk.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
We just got a text three or three eight eight
three NBA players are wearing low top shoes, and when
they wear high top shoes, they aren't even tying them.
Somebody's shoes fall off every single game.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
Okay, yeah, that's uh.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
I mean I haven't seen people's shoes falling off every game,
but there are certainly quite a few low top shoes
out there in terms of in terms.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
Of that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
But this was something that was suggested to me that
maybe some of these shoes that we've got the padding
in and all this kind of stuff, now maybe there's
too much of that in there, and it's forcing an
angle with these people making these quick, sudden, you know, movements,
and it's forcing that angle too small and putting too
much stress.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
Well, I would hope the league would would spend some
money and time and effort and research in terms of
coming up with a plausible reason, because that would be something,
especially if it has anything to do with how a
particular shoe or particular shoes are are made and built,

(35:57):
they would want to address that pretty quickly.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Well, Adam Silver said today they're looking into that.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
They've got some AI program of studying biomechanics and doing
all kinds of stuff with that. But I just started
thinking about, like, what if you're the guy that has
the shoe deal that's messing everybody up, even if you're
the player, you're the player that's your shoe that's messing
everybody up.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
Wow, I haven't thought about that. Oh I dot do
you want? Are you're the company that makes that shoe?
You know?

Speaker 3 (36:22):
And then so I don't know my brain if it
comes out that there's one particular brand that is that
has been deemed more likely that brand's gonna have to
spend a lot of money changing, uh, you know, the
make of a shoe otherwise.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
Stands the reason they're not gonna be wearing that shoe. Right,
get sued on the back end too, as far as
that kind of stuff goes. Five seven fives.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
So South Park had an episode about it, talking about
the leg lengthening thing. Apparently south Park spoof to because
I guess it was a news story kind of thing, right,
seven two ben hed waiter or not while you're not
playing professionally, Yeah, that's the joke.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
Oh wow, that's the joke. Wow. Right, talent is the.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Reason I'm not playing professionally. That was supposed to. Hopefully
that Joe Coo didn't go where he was said, I
want to get to the Justin's Tucker stuff here in
just a little bit. The the NFL has suspended and
we'll get to that ten games.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
So yeah, wait to that when we come back.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
The quarterback Netflix Quarterback coming out on July. Did you
watch the last one?

Speaker 1 (37:22):
I did? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (37:23):
I mean I am a football nerve, so when it
comes to stuff like that, I like it.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
I try to watch all of some of it, like
Hard Knocks has gotten too sanitized to a point where
I'm like, there's nothing. I'm not getting anything out of this,
even though I love the game, Like, I'm not getting
anything out of Hard Knocks anymore.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
The n season Hard KNOCKSA isn't as bad as the
other one.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
Another in season this year, I think, so I have
to double check on I would have thought after the
Giants got roasted for for their little thing, nobody would
want to do in season.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
But maybe maybe I'm wrong.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Lee can force you to do it and they get
the you know, the money they're making off it. I
don't think you know, Roger call and opening up revenue
streams for the NFL.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
I don't think he's turned it down free money. That's
just my opinion.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
The one UH this season will feature Joe Burrow, Jared Golf,
and Kirk Cousins again after he was on last season.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
There's a good question where will Kirk Cousins play football
this year?

Speaker 1 (38:17):
So that's right now, Atlanta. I don't think not play
football in Atlanta. Yeah, I don't. I don't know the answer.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
And he's always played in the exact same offense his
entire career. He's always played in the some Shanahan or
some Shanahan variant offense his entire career. And I'm just
looking around and I'm like, I don't know where you
land at this point. I mean, it would take an
injury to somebody, you know, like like if Tua were
to go down, does Miami try to bring him in.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
Well, this is this is a big year for Miami,
their jobs. Yeah, they've got to win.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
I just don't see.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
I mean, I'm not sure where he will where he
will go, but uh, I think it's highly unlike that
he plays the entire season in Atlanta.

Speaker 4 (39:02):
By the way Hard knocks, this year will feature the
Buffalo Bills in camp and the NFC East during the
end season, so we'll get some more.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
More giants.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
With Russ and elite neighbors. Okay, all right, I'm here
for that. That's uh. They were going back to the
Well for the end season.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
Yeah, that comes out on July eighth, so we'll get
a chance to watch that. Do you have a favorite
sports documentary documentary of all time?

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Documentary?

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Uh, I've enjoyed I think recently I've enjoyed the Celtics
Lakers documentary. Some really really good footage on that going
all the way back to when, you know, even before
Russell became a Celtic and back when Wilt was with
the Lakers, and then carrying it all the way up
through Burden Magic. I think that that's been well done.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
I haven't seen that way after watch that.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
I did watch the it was this showtime show on
Uh yeah, because buddy mine was.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
It was right now, that was too much. That was
like too much of a farce for me. I mean
it was obviously, but yeah, it was all they were
missing was Will Ferrell.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Well, you're right, but a buddy of mine was on
the writing crew for that, so you know, I was
watching it just to try to support it. No Facing
Nolan Man the Nolan Ryan documentary Old Ryan was my
favorite player coming out. Oh it's great, and it's just
it's I mean, it's nostalgic for me because it goes back,
and that was something that helped bridge me and my dad.
My dad was a big fan of Nolan back when
he first came in the league.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
You know the.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Yeah, seven seven no hitters, five thousand something strikeouts over
his career, uh and then watching him beat the crap
out of Robin Ventura as a forty something year old man.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
That's one of those where you get hit you're thinking
I probably should charge the mound.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Then you pause.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
And you say it's Nolan Ryan, and then you say,
I've got to go now because I'm gonna you know,
I'm gonna hear about it. Yeah, and go You go
kind of half ass to the mountain him out. You
realize what you what am I doing here? You're getting
your head pounded, That's what you're doing.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
Rober Vcturre is like a twenty one year old got
a forty five year old, no old Ryan, put him
in a headlock, beat the brakes off. Yeah, I was
all the time.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
Great, well, I don't know anyway, My dad and I
bonded over over that. We come back against the NFL stuff.
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