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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You gentlemen doing on this fine Friday. So Phil's what's
going on.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I'm hanging out, just excited and happy. Did the weekend
is here and I could hide it out.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Man.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
We've got some hot days where it's just like, man,
I really want to go outside right now? Or should
I just sit on the couch. So it's been an
interesting week for me.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I plan on doing nothing all weekend. See if it's
all that I hope.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
It can be. Yeah, I mean, aren't those just the
best weekends?
Speaker 4 (00:27):
You know?
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Oh? Nothing? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
I think I think our producer back there, Grant Smith,
is gonna be doing the same thing. That's what he
was telling me before the show. A little bit of
stuff to get into here. We'll get into it to
here to a second, as well as your chance to
win some Metallica tickets here in just a little bit.
I know our former colleague Jeff Johnson was out at
the brown Castle earlier this week and literally sat next
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to James Headfield out there at the THINGK So that was, well, yeah,
it's gonna be an experience for him anyway, some Metallica tickets,
your chance to windows be coming up here in just
a little while you gotta Metallica day.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
I was never I mean I like some Metallica, but
even back when Metallica was Metallica, I was never like
a huge Metallica guy.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Were you really?
Speaker 3 (01:13):
That's that's not really my thing. I mean, I don't
mind it. If it comes on, I'll listen to it. Yeah,
I'm not a I'm not a you know, a big fan. Yeah,
big fan, like a lot of the people. Oh here's
their leading fan. He's got VIP no.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Better, no better, nothing wrong shade for that felt I
just missed that one completely. But I will tell you
this as an offensive lineman, you better get used to
listening to all different types of genres of music. That's
when you're in that locker room in college and in
the NFL. Yeah, you know, the older guys they got
you know, position group absolutely without a doubt, kind of
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feels like it like as far as like the first
three predominantly white. But you know, for you go look
at any other group, right, yeah, I feel like you
go to one team maybe linebacker.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Right like that the O.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
This team will have like a predominantly white line reckerrewer,
this team will have a predominantly African American right where
I feel like with offensive lines.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
So had you ever were you?
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Did you ever listen to country you before you got
into the offensive line business?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Oh no, no, but I've been used to see what
I used to look like that I've been in an
offensive line business for years.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Like I mean, growing up in Toronto, did you ever
listen to Country Western?
Speaker 1 (02:38):
No? Not in Toronto.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
When I got down to Florida for my junior and
senior year of high school, and certainly when I got
to Miami University of Miami. But yes, absolutely, I mean
little Tim McGraw.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Brooks call them bat and Rue George.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
It's I always felt like that was the most diverse room.
Oh I'll tell you what, man, those of us with
the complexion of an iPhone flashlight are making a comeback
in the cornerback market thanks to Cooper and uh and Riley.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
That's true. Don't call it.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Speaking of the Rockies talking a little bit about it yesterday.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Obviously Walker momfort being ahead of the keys to the organization.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Uh what did you think about that? Though? Man?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
When I look at the Rockies organization, I'm just like, what,
I will welcome any type of change, anything, that could
shake this thing up, whether you know, you bring in
a new coach, you bring in new players, you spend
more money than your you type typically do. I just
want to see something that gets me excited, and with
that news coming out this week, it got me a
little excited.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Jack Corgan certainly sounded hopeful.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
We had a chance to talk to him yesterday, Dave.
I after sitting on.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
It for a day, is there any more more hope
for you with the Walker? Momfort move or you still
just in that wait and see mode?
Speaker 1 (03:59):
I mean, I don't know. I mean you know Walker.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
I mean Jack talked about Walker starting many years ago,
and it has sort of worked his way up. And I
think that's good because they they've gone about it the
right way. Most people probably don't know that, and so
when they see the headlines yesterday, the Walker Montford has
been promoted to to basically the guy within the organization
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in terms of making the call, I think most people
that haven't followed closely enough are saying, oh, okay. I mean,
this is nepotism at its height. But I mean, to me,
you've got to give the guy a fair and square
chance to show what he can do.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
But does that happen when it's just so bad though,
like like with the Rockies, it's been so bad, so
just what happened? You still think that's the thought process
when it's so bad, like, oh, you know, we're just
going to hire a family memor.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Of course, we're just some pros for Dick or for who.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
No, just like for the fan base, like when a
team is.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
Well, no, I think the fan base would look at that,
as I said, and not realize that Walker actually has
had several jobs in the organization. I think the fan base,
my guess would be they would look that and say, okay, really,
so now you hire your son to run the organization.
That would be my guess. My point is, I think
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we as fans should I mean, the season is a
float in the Pacific, like one hundred miles out on
a little bitty raft. That's what the season is. So
I'm willing to say, okay, you know what, Walker, you're
now in charge. I want to see what you're going
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to do, what changes, if any, you're going to make,
and how this team in your vision, how this team
will look differently next year. Who's going to be the manager?
Is it going to be the interim, you got to
go outside the organization. You're got to bring somebody else in,
Ben as you've advocated for. If somebody come in that
will be more or less in charge of all baseball
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decisions and work under Walker Montford, is that move going
to happen? I don't think anybody really has an idea.
I know I don't in terms of what you know,
what he's thinking, what his short term, mid term, long
term vision will be. But I'm willing because the season
again is afloat so barely, so I'm willing to say, hey,
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let's see what you do.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Oh it's a floater. I mean, it's way out in
the Pacific.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
I mean, boy, I tell you, I look at some
of these some people and just their families and how
you know they're coming from money or just being born
and you know, kind of leading off third base right
For people to get mad at something like this, I'm like,
what would you expect? Because I promise you if I
had a rich daddy, whatever dad's business is, that's what
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Orlando's business was going to be.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
I would have been in there from a very.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Young age figguring out how to push papers and what
do I need to do to kind of take this
thing over and not trying to figure out how to
do it the hard way. But then you could also
look at some people that do it the hard way
and like, man, hat's off to you. Right when you
look at a guy like Arthur Smith.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
I went to.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
School with his younger brother, Kennon Smith at the University
of Miami. Well, the dad is Frederick Smith, the CEO
and founder of.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, So but I remember being at UMB I'm like, Cannon,
what are you doing out here?
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Like doing two a days and stuff like just you know.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Dad, let me take over the keys at some point
you running the offense for the Steelers instead of you know,
inheriting the FedEx Empire or whatever else.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
So yeah, but I mean.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
So you know, when you look at walker situation, what
what did you really think? Because that's always been my
thought process. And if you could get into an organization
and hold you know, care or have many different hats
on and learn different things and kind of build yourself
up at the time, It's not Walker's fault that he
was born a Monford. Again, I'm willing to step back
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and say, okay, listen, man can't get much worse.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Let's see what you got. Show me your ideas. How
are you going to put this thing together? How are we.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Gonna how are we going to dig out of a
Grand Canyon size hole and get this franchise back to
you know, to start with, just back to respectability. What's
the plan?
Speaker 3 (08:26):
And I mean it literally cannot get worse? Well, I
mean not much worse.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Right, I mean there again, you know, I know they
they don't like to hear it, but they're on a
they're on a path right now that would ensure, unless
they play better baseball and have a have a better
winning percentage, that they're going to set the all time
record for most losses in modern baseball history.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
So you know what, it just is what it is
all for that. By the way, it's like the I'm
one of those like, if you're going to be bad,
be the worst.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
No, not the worst in history, I mean be the
worst to get that first overall. But like if you're
looking at other sports, right, yeah, if you're bad in football,
I want you to have the number one overall pick
because that equals a lot of different things.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
But the worst in history, that's just leaves the bad.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Like, for instance, remember when the Broncos played Miami a
couple of years ago and McDaniel.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Called off the dogs, and I'm like.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Just break the record, man, Like, at this point, it's
it's sole thing for you to lay up and not
break it, you know.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I mean I think that you get afraid though in
football because I've.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Been remember when Greg Giano was the coach.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
For Tampa Bay, and I mean at the end of the games,
guys are diving at people's kneecaps and.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Trying to take people out.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
You're just ready to fight in situations like that, right,
So you know you.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
Don't want guy understood guys like that. Yeah, I did
to dive in it like that kind of thing. I
just when they were when the Miami was running it up.
I just got to the point where but just just
keep just keep going. At this point, you're you know,
you're not what I'm.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Saying, like they retaliation, Like, yeah, the retaliation aspect of it, right, Do.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
You know how how that game happened? Do you know why?
Speaker 1 (10:06):
You do know why? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Yes, can we talk about that out of the air now.
I'm gonna see if you're wise the same as mine.
So yeah, I'm gonna do with wives and girlfriends is
a story to do with why? Yes, right, well he
comparted to the story.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Yeah, then maybe maybe maybe we'll keep it. Okay, can
we talk about that? I know, yeah right, just said yeah,
Well they Rocky is not the only people making a change.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Former Denver Nugget Messiah Jerry stepping down in Toronto. The
guy who uh brought them their only championship is is
out there in the with the Toronto Raptors. Of course,
he's won uh Executive the Year with the Nuggets in
twenty thirteen, only non American ever to win that.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
By the way, what do we think about that?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I think it it's good for him at the end
of the day, because when he got to Toronto it
was decent and it was it got even better right
with the Kawhi trade. Hats off to him for being
in the room when that tough decision was made and
sending Damar DeRozan to San Antonio and saying, hey, Khi,
we'll take you. And Kawhi was one year rental, so
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you know, there would have been so much more success
had Kawhi stayed. But then when he doesn't stay, then
you get a what rid of Kyle Lowry then see
comes out and all these great players are just out
of there at that point. So I think that this
was something that he might even be kind of excited
about going and seeing a different team in testing his.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Sluck somewhere else, I would just say he will not
be able to work long.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yeah, is there any you know, bringing back to Denver
kind of thing you guys eat? Anybody any interest in that?
Or I don't think that's realistic, But would you have
interest in that?
Speaker 4 (11:47):
I mean I always like MESSI I thought he was
a smart Again, I don't know him from the inner
workings of the organization where you really find out about
a guy and his work ethic and how he thinks
and what he likes to do, what he doesn't like
to do. I don't know all of those things. But
I always liked him. I thought I thought he had
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a good presence. I thought he was a sound basketball mind.
Now maybe there's some people that work over there that
are like Dave, you don't know, and that could be
possibly true. But I think he's a sharp, intelligent guy
that understands the game, and I think.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
He's good with people.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
So whether it's back in Denver, as you said, probably not,
but I don't think he'll be out of work too long.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
I'll tell you this as well.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
You know, at the end of the day, he has
a massive impact, whether you look at it as a
positive thing or a negative thing for the NBA, because
when he got there, yeah, guys would get hurt and
there was rest days. But that year when the Raptors
won the championship, why was going one night off the
next night, going one night off the next night. Played
almost like half of the season that year, a little
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bit over half. So you know, when you look at
something like that and you tend to see it still
in the NBA right now, and you know, it pisses
me off. But so that's why it might be a
negative thing for certain people, but also might be a
positive thing.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
And he brought that.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
He's also been very instrumental in bringing basketball to Africa,
you know, which is something that's it's kind of an
emerging market for the.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
NBA that they've been looking at.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Obviously the block countries and that stuff's been pretty well developed.
But bringing basketball to Africa, which which he has done.
You guys, remember was it twenty nineteen, I think when
they clinched over Golden State and he had that incident
with the police officer.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
They didn't recognize him coming on the court.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
Yeah, vaguely try to keep him off the guy.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
I just that just popped into my mind.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
I'd forgotten about that, but yeah, I remember they got
the altercation with the police.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Officer after they won the champions They won the championship,
he's got to get on the court to celebrate with
his guys.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Who are you stop? Yeah, there was.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I mean, you got the they I can't fault that
off because there's so many people trying to get on that.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
People off the court, right.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Yeah, so I think they've wrapped all their claims against
each other. But I was, I just they're curious as
to where he would go next, Like what would be
the next stop for him? You know, as far as
you've already won executive the year, you've won an NBA championship,
what's your what is your next goal in line?
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Are you looking to build something from scratch? Like what
do you I think a bigger question.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
I was thinking maybe he might go to the Knicks,
but Rose is still there. I just wonder who's who's
going to be the coach.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Yeah, they've they've whiffed on a lot, and I gave
you a name.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
I know, I gave you a name off the air.
I'll go ahead and give it to you on the air.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
I would not be surprised if with what they've whiffed
on they wind up with John Calipari potentially being the
next head coach of the New York Knicks. That he
goes back with Rose and Worldwide West, you know, way
way back. They all three go way way back, and
the fact that even though Calipari wasn't very successful as
an NBA head coach, they go way way back, and
you're at the point where you're you know, you're sort
of scraping the bottom of the barrel after firing a
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very successful coach to I don't know, do what.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
I would say.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Hardcore Knicks fans, and there are plenty of them in
New York would look at that and say, we fired
Tom Thibodeau, who got us to the Eastern Conference finals
right for the first time in twenty like five years,
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and you're bringing in John Calipari, who has been I mean,
I think he's been a good college coach, but I
think he would have as many detractors as people who
would say positive things about him in terms of I
think Kentucky fans would say, you know, he underachieved. Was
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there had great talent, had one and done guys. And
I mean, you know, I don't know that any single
team or any program during the course of Calipari's tenure
could say there were more first round picks that went
through the door. And I'm trying to remember did he
win Did he win a championship at Kentucky?
Speaker 1 (15:56):
I can't remember? Yeah, did he win one? Yeah, I
know he won one. Was that at Kentucky or was
that at hang Out? I had to go back and look.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Yeah, So I mean with John wall right that they yeah,
might have be be Kansas. I can't I think so. Yeah,
I mean obviously he lost that.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
He lost that Memphis one against Kansas because they couldn't
shoot free House out of.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Stretch, right they had that game won. Yeah, So I
don't know. I'm not sure that. I'm I don't know
that that would be a positive to a lot of
Knicks fans, to tell you the truth.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Yeah, he won one at Kentucky twenty twelve, six final fours.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
So he's I mean, you're in the final four six
times and you win it once.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I don't know. Yeah, two of which are vacated now,
but you know, you know how that goes. But yeah,
and I'm sure they wouldn't be inspired by that.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
But you're starting to the Knicks plan to get rid
of Thibodeaux, which at this point seems so conceived, as
they have not even been able to bring guys into
interviews that they want to want to take a look at.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Whoever the next head coach is for the next that
fan base is going to throw up a little bit
in their mouth. Yeah, I mean at this point, just
because you see how the dominoes are falling, and you know,
I don't know how you move on from a coach
that has had some has had plenty of success, gets
there kind of really puts that team together and teaches
them a thing or two.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
I heard Mark Jackson, for what it is right now,
might very well be in the mix.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
I wouldn't be surprised. I mean at this you know,
that'd be a decent name.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
I think Mark Jackson would be a choice that that
would resonate more with Knicks fans than John Calipari.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Oh absolutely, I absolutely do.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
I just think that the relationship that Leon Rose and
world Wide West have like that. That was their guy
back when they were agents and he was you know,
and they were funneling guys to him like that. You know,
that might be one of those things where he does
them a solid like, hey, you know you okay, I'll
be the interim guy till you find somebody else since
your you know, your plant sort of fell apart here.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
I don't know. The grass isn't always greener, though. That's
one of those things where, you know, I look at this,
it goes back to.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Here locally when the Nuggets fired or Carl and went
with uh was it Brian Shaw they had out here
by Scott whatever whoever it was, it was, it was Shaw,
Brian Shaw, Yeah, and he very clearly was not up
to the task of you know, that kind of thing.
The grass isn't always greener sometimes that guy that's getting
you there something you know, you have to be sure
before you.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Make that pull that plug. At what point do you know.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Like at what point None of us are general managers,
but what point do you know, Like I got to
pull the plug here, I got to make a move
like the Nuggets did with you know, with Michael Malone.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
I think the Thibodeau move was made uh after you know,
player interviews, exit interviews after the season, right. I don't
think anybody in the right mind could be disenchanted with
the job in terms of where they finished given that roster. Now,
Thibodeau is a guy that rides his starters. He's always
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been that way. He's not a guy that plays the
bench a lot. And I think when management talked to
the players, I think players squawked about it, and I
would get us. Maybe Jalen Brunson squawked about it.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Father is on that coaching staff.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Others father Rick Brunson is what was one of Thibodeau's assistants.
So I think they probably reacted to players saying, hey man,
this is not working, and so you react to that,
but you react to that in a way. This whole
thing tells me that they really weren't going to make
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that move until they talked to two or three key
players that they put a lot of stock in. May
have got the same answer then said Okay, we're making
a move, and they make a move without a clear
cut idea in terms of what are we doing if
we make this move.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
And that's the problem because at the end of the day,
that basketball team already has an identity, and whoever you
bring in, who's to say they're not going to try
to change that identity. A great coach is a person
that understands each and every individual, what do they do best,
and now, how do I put those guys in the
best position to succeed. Time and time again, coaches come
in and they try to say, man, I got this
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young innovative mine, or I've got this philosophy and we're
gonna be able to implement this, and it crashes and
burns to the ground.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
And we've certainly seen that across the plethora of sports
you know before, with all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Oh we come back, we get it. A couple of
other things.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
The NHL Draft starts tonight, but the Avs, much like
the Nuggets, have no picks. Also, I guess some metallic
tickets to give away to the ground can't wait sports.
The drafts lately have been a bust for Denver fans.
The Nuggets, of course, didn't have any draft picks in
the In the NBA draft, ACKs the Aaron Gordon trade,
which I think worked out well for the Nuggets, but
still in the NHL Draft, which starts tonight, the Avs
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have no picks. Why do we think the NFL draft
is so much more entertaining than the other leagues.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Bigger fan bases. I'd say, do you know what, the
NBA's got a big fan base, but just like.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
College, right when you get you know, some of these
people have been following these kids from they left high
school and then the college stage becomes so big, and
then you got to be in college for multiple years.
Some of these kids are getting drafted to night in
NHL drafts. First time you ever heard their names coming
from Sweden, coming from all over like just Europe, all Canada,
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all can't pronounce half their names, whatever the case may be.
But I think just around the NFL, like the hype
gets built up year after year for some of these kids,
and these fan bases are just right or died.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
We Conversely, you got guys playing aau ball, I mean
guys coming up playing basketball a long times, not like
they don't have dedicated fan base people.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Yeah, I think this, I think goes absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
One.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Football is the most popular sport in this country by
leaps and bounds.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
I saw and I've told the story before.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
In the air, I saw an interesting stat This was
years ago. It was like eighty seven percent of all
males over the age of twenty one have played at
least a year of organized football, which means there's a
lot of.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Fans that.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
I mean, there are fans that absolutely understand the game,
know the game, but there's a lot of fans that
follow the game, even casual fans that have played and
and think they know a lot about football. It's a
much bigger base of fans to draw from. College football
is a huge, huge entity. And you know, you could say,
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well so is college basketball. Yeah, when they get to
the when they get to March Madness, yes, but college
basketball up until March Madness is more.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Of a niche follow.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Like if you go to Ames, Iowa on a weekend
in January or February or March, or Lawrence, Kansas or
man At in Kansas or still or still Water, Oklahoma,
I mean, you're going to get seventeen thousand people that
are out of their minds watching what happens to their
loved home team. But that doesn't necessarily translate into a
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very broad spectrum of fans where college football does, and
so obviously does the NFL.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
It start of fact, what year would you think that
football passed baseball in terms of popularity here in the US,
Because I was surprised when I found this out.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
I went back and researched this.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
With the gallop poles and all that kind of stuff,
I would have guessed like the you know, the early nineties,
but ninety four.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Oh no, but actually it's much much much earlier, much
earlier than that.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Yeah, I would I would say it would be I mean,
I grew up a huge baseball fan as well as
football fan. I mean baseball, you know, in the mid
I would say baseball was America's past time. Even I'd
say mid sixties, that's when it sort of started to change.
That'd be my guest. That's what started changing.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
In effect, the wires crossed in nineteen seventy two, where
more respondence to the gallop pole said that football was
more popular and baseball never came back.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
They did have a surge in the mid nineties that
they got up there.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
In part of that I think was the home run
stuff and all that kind of stuff, and then they
fell back off. Baseball is the third most popular sport
in America Right now, the NBA passed I'm really in
ninety eight, but for good. In two thousand and one,
the NBA passed. Major League Baseball is the second most
popular sport, but it comes nowhere close to even at
the height of the NBA, where it was it was
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garnering sixteen seventeen percent, where football routinely gets forty to
fifty percent of respondents as the most most popular sport.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
And I think a lot of that has to do
at pace. I mean, you know, just the pace of
baseball continuing to be slow, and they've done some things
over the last couple of years. But you know, you
look at the game of football back in the day
where when Dave played, you know, left tackles were in
the right handed stance, and you know, a couple.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Of years forward.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
You want to miss my one, Wow, catching strays out
of here. It just gets more interesting, right, And like
the power and the strength, and like the just the
physicality and in the plays, right, I mean, the playbook
gets so much more bigger in the trick plays. I
think that has to do with it as well. But yeah,
I mean you look at the roster size, like an
(25:23):
NBA roster, Well, if you take a football roster and
the practice squad, it's three times the size. You look
at the NHL roster, it's the same exact thing. And
then training camp you have like eighty guys in training camp.
So there's just so many people following these guys. And
I think that also kind of like I'm a Bronco
fan for life, and I never grew up watching the Broncos.
(25:44):
When I got drafted here, I didn't even know what
that area code was, the three zero three until John said, hey,
it's John Elway.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
On the line, and now I'm a lifer.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
So I think there's that like just massive pull that
the NFL has as well.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
You know, for me, I would have said something to
the of the violence of the sport maybe even though
that's waned over the years, helping out with that.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
But then MMA and boxing are one percent.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
I mean, boxing has falling below one percent in terms
of the amount of people that didn't want to watch that.
It's it's football, you know, way up here, and you
combine everything else.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
It doesn't even nip the heels.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
So that's how popular, that's how big a monster football
is here in the United states.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
I think I'm a in boxing though. It's because of
the time in between the match, right. You could be
a fan of a certain person they'll fight and then
all of a sudden next month later another yeah, six
eight months right or with that NFL you know you
missed it in an offseason, but once you get it,
it's every week.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
I mean boxing in its heyday, and I have always
been a huge aficionado of boxing, but in its heyday,
I think what what drew maybe casual fans to the
sport was that the heavyweight division had guys that.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
You you wanted to see fight.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Yeah right now, I think they they what first started
her boxing, they watered it down with too many different
belts and nobody could figure out, like, wait, is it
the w BC or is it the w B A
I b oh the I. I mean it's like who
who's who's fighting who? I think also, you mentioned m
(27:25):
M A. I think I think that sport has an
appeal to younger people. Uh and and I enjoy it.
I mean, I've got to tell you, I enjoy it now.
I still will watch like a really good boxing match
just for the skill of the fighters.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
But as as O said, it's way too infrequently.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
And I mean, and the heavyweight division is what that
that sort of brings everybody together in the world of boxing.
When's the last great heavyweight fight? I mean, I mean,
even if you went back to when Klitchko fought right,
I mean, we just haven't seen these compelling big men
(28:07):
that like, man, I want to see these two dudes
get in the ring because there's gonna be some haymakers.
We haven't had that recently. I'll say this too.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Personalities, Yeah, right, I think with boxing back in the day,
when you look at that have you weight, like, there
were so many different unique personalities. Sometimes now in today's
like Emma, I feel almost feel like it's watered down.
I almost feel like it's kind of being it feels
fake like boxing and some of the personalities feel like
that's really not who you are. We're back in the day.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
You're looking at Mike Tyson, You're like, I mean, also
back in the day the lightweight division. I mean you
talk about Chugar, Ray Leonard and Tommy Hearns and Wilfred
Wilfredo Benitez. At one point you were talking about Marvin
Hagler middleweight. I mean, there were some world class fighters.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
But you couldn't even get Pacio and Mayweather to fight
until Pachio's expiration dated already.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
I mean, the last time we had great heavyweights was
that that late eighties to mid nineties. I think run
when you had.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Tyson and holy Field and Rick Bow and you know,
and guys like that.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
But it's sort of fast. It was just fascin me
to watch He's number. Just how much of a monster
football is.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Baseball is closer to soccer in terms of US popularity
than it is to being twenty five percent of what
football is.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Yeah, as Oh said, I think for especially for kids,
the game is regarded as being too slow and uneventful.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
You have to have grown up in a certain era
to have a full appreciation of baseball as a sport,
which I did. But for for a lot of kids
growing up today, it's they don't feel baseball.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
It feels like my generation is probably the last one
that really appreciated, you know, baseball, because it's just you know,
you have the strikes.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
And the scandals after that, all that kind of stuff.
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Dylan Brooks, by the way, who just got traded, has
found the restraining or against his ex, and in that
restraining I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
I don't know why this is funny to me.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Brooks has said in the restraining order that his ex
she has threatened to cut off his fingers and that's
the reason he's filed for the resturning order. You don't
know why it's funny to you.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
I don't know. I'm gonna tell you.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Yeah, tell me, because just who Dylan Brooks has been
in the NBA. Everybody there's everybody has a little bit
of like, now really.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Like that guy, absolutely this. I just think he's a
fake tough guy.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
I'm with you on that. Just like, have you seen
the quotes on this or whatever. No.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
So, she's the mother of two of his children. They
met at a Las Vegas night club back in the day,
and it's, uh, this is this is a quote.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
I'll h a b E.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
She meant to say, have but h a b someone
cut each of your effing little fingers off, one by
one so you can never play basketball capital l O
L dot dot not. And actually, now I understand why
people are racist.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
This is a text message she said, though, Wow, wow, boy,
that is funny.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
I'm glad you I'm glad you said capital.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
L O L Yeah, caps lo ol mam.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Yeah, do your homework, fellows.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Sentence that have been uttered, Do your homework, your homework.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Another message apparently said to his mother, I'll send someone
after your mom and called his mom the B word.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Oh boy. That was the mother of two of his kids. Yeah,
so it's not even like you, like you still some
form of communication. How old are those little kids?
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Right?
Speaker 1 (31:44):
I mean?
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Oh man, I yeah, this is just I mean, wow,
like reading reading some of this stuff or whatever, and like, look,
to be fair, I saw the pictures, Dylan.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
I get it. Bro Oh yeah I saw a picture too.
I get it, you know.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
But also, but I guess not every single time. But
in situations like that, do you not have to know
going into this like.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Is a viral thing.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
The guy's got the not crazy matrix or whatever, he's.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Like, you never crossed this line.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
I mean you have to know you're jumping into the
crazy pool, or at least there's a possibility.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Yeah, it makes no sense. I mean that's why I
say do your.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Homework, because I mean maybe I just grow up around
too much like turmoil and saw a lot of craziness
where there was arguments in all these different things, whether
it's a friends relationship or family members relationships. But for me,
I was always like, Okay, that's what I don't want,
So how do I make sure that I don't get that?
Speaker 1 (32:48):
I made sure I did my homework.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Point of clarity here, Actually she is the mother of
one of his children and found out about the second
one on the way.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Which I believe precipitated this. Hm oh wait.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
Wait she found out about it second one on the way,
that that she's not caring is not okay, okay, Maury
Povich would say, you are not the mother. Okay, Well,
you know, anyway, I've seen people go crazy for much less.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Uh huh right, Yes, I mean in.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
That situation, when did you just want to kind of
get away from him? If he cheated on you, now
he's had he's having a child on the side, wouldn't
you just.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Kind of be happy?
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Like okay, like yeah, no, fingers off, you would want
to cut his I yes, I want to get away
to get away purpose though, like as your mother, wouldn't
you want the child support and all that kind of stuff?
Speaker 1 (33:36):
And now you try to take away you.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Can't be doing car wheels. That's all as her in
that situation. Maybe she really loves the guy. Maybe I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
I know you want to cut his fingers off, you
want to call his mom these type of names.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
I mean, does anything say real love to you more
so than cutting your face?
Speaker 1 (33:52):
When you put a ring on, you put the ring
on the finger.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
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You gentlemen doing on this fine Friday. So Phil's what's
going on.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I'm hanging out, just excited and happy. Did the weekend
is here and I could hide it out.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Man.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
We've got some hot days where it's just like, man,
I really want to go outside right now? Or should
I just sit on the couch. So it's been an
interesting week for me.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I plan on doing nothing all weekend. See if it's
all that I hope.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
It can be. Yeah, I mean, aren't those just the
best weekends?
Speaker 4 (00:27):
You know?
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Oh? Nothing? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
I think I think our producer back there, Grant Smith,
is gonna be doing the same thing. That's what he
was telling me before the show. A little bit of
stuff to get into here. We'll get into it to
here to a second, as well as your chance to
win some Metallica tickets here in just a little bit.
I know our former colleague Jeff Johnson was out at
the brown Castle earlier this week and literally sat next
(00:50):
to James Headfield out there at the THINGK So that was, well, yeah,
it's gonna be an experience for him anyway, some Metallica tickets,
your chance to windows be coming up here in just
a little while you gotta Metallica day.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
I was never I mean I like some Metallica, but
even back when Metallica was Metallica, I was never like
a huge Metallica guy.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Were you really?
Speaker 3 (01:13):
That's that's not really my thing. I mean, I don't
mind it. If it comes on, I'll listen to it. Yeah,
I'm not a I'm not a you know, a big fan. Yeah,
big fan, like a lot of the people. Oh here's
their leading fan. He's got VIP no.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Better, no better, nothing wrong shade for that felt I
just missed that one completely. But I will tell you
this as an offensive lineman, you better get used to
listening to all different types of genres of music. That's
when you're in that locker room in college and in
the NFL. Yeah, you know, the older guys they got
you know, position group absolutely without a doubt, kind of
(01:50):
feels like it like as far as like the first
three predominantly white. But you know, for you go look
at any other group, right, yeah, I feel like you
go to one team maybe linebacker.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Right like that the O.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
This team will have like a predominantly white line reckerrewer,
this team will have a predominantly African American right where
I feel like with offensive lines.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
So had you ever were you?
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Did you ever listen to country you before you got
into the offensive line business?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Oh no, no, but I've been used to see what
I used to look like that I've been in an
offensive line business for years.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Like I mean, growing up in Toronto, did you ever
listen to Country Western?
Speaker 1 (02:38):
No? Not in Toronto.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
When I got down to Florida for my junior and
senior year of high school, and certainly when I got
to Miami University of Miami. But yes, absolutely, I mean
little Tim McGraw.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Brooks call them bat and Rue George.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
It's I always felt like that was the most diverse room.
Oh I'll tell you what, man, those of us with
the complexion of an iPhone flashlight are making a comeback
in the cornerback market thanks to Cooper and uh and Riley.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
That's true. Don't call it.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Speaking of the Rockies talking a little bit about it yesterday.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Obviously Walker momfort being ahead of the keys to the organization.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Uh what did you think about that? Though? Man?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
When I look at the Rockies organization, I'm just like, what,
I will welcome any type of change, anything, that could
shake this thing up, whether you know, you bring in
a new coach, you bring in new players, you spend
more money than your you type typically do. I just
want to see something that gets me excited, and with
that news coming out this week, it got me a
little excited.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Jack Corgan certainly sounded hopeful.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
We had a chance to talk to him yesterday, Dave.
I after sitting on.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
It for a day, is there any more more hope
for you with the Walker? Momfort move or you still
just in that wait and see mode?
Speaker 1 (03:59):
I mean, I don't know. I mean you know Walker.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
I mean Jack talked about Walker starting many years ago,
and it has sort of worked his way up. And I
think that's good because they they've gone about it the
right way. Most people probably don't know that, and so
when they see the headlines yesterday, the Walker Montford has
been promoted to to basically the guy within the organization
(04:28):
in terms of making the call, I think most people
that haven't followed closely enough are saying, oh, okay. I mean,
this is nepotism at its height. But I mean, to me,
you've got to give the guy a fair and square
chance to show what he can do.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
But does that happen when it's just so bad though,
like like with the Rockies, it's been so bad, so
just what happened? You still think that's the thought process
when it's so bad, like, oh, you know, we're just
going to hire a family memor.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Of course, we're just some pros for Dick or for who.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
No, just like for the fan base, like when a
team is.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
Well, no, I think the fan base would look at that,
as I said, and not realize that Walker actually has
had several jobs in the organization. I think the fan base,
my guess would be they would look that and say, okay, really,
so now you hire your son to run the organization.
That would be my guess. My point is, I think
(05:26):
we as fans should I mean, the season is a
float in the Pacific, like one hundred miles out on
a little bitty raft. That's what the season is. So
I'm willing to say, okay, you know what, Walker, you're
now in charge. I want to see what you're going
(05:47):
to do, what changes, if any, you're going to make,
and how this team in your vision, how this team
will look differently next year. Who's going to be the manager?
Is it going to be the interim, you got to
go outside the organization. You're got to bring somebody else in,
Ben as you've advocated for. If somebody come in that
will be more or less in charge of all baseball
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decisions and work under Walker Montford, is that move going
to happen? I don't think anybody really has an idea.
I know I don't in terms of what you know,
what he's thinking, what his short term, mid term, long
term vision will be. But I'm willing because the season
again is afloat so barely, so I'm willing to say, hey,
(06:29):
let's see what you do.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Oh it's a floater. I mean, it's way out in
the Pacific.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
I mean, boy, I tell you, I look at some
of these some people and just their families and how
you know they're coming from money or just being born
and you know, kind of leading off third base right
For people to get mad at something like this, I'm like,
what would you expect? Because I promise you if I
had a rich daddy, whatever dad's business is, that's what
(06:58):
Orlando's business was going to be.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
I would have been in there from a very.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Young age figguring out how to push papers and what
do I need to do to kind of take this
thing over and not trying to figure out how to
do it the hard way. But then you could also
look at some people that do it the hard way
and like, man, hat's off to you. Right when you
look at a guy like Arthur Smith.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
I went to.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
School with his younger brother, Kennon Smith at the University
of Miami. Well, the dad is Frederick Smith, the CEO
and founder of.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, So but I remember being at UMB I'm like, Cannon,
what are you doing out here?
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Like doing two a days and stuff like just you know.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Dad, let me take over the keys at some point
you running the offense for the Steelers instead of you know,
inheriting the FedEx Empire or whatever else.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
So yeah, but I mean.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
So you know, when you look at walker situation, what
what did you really think? Because that's always been my
thought process. And if you could get into an organization
and hold you know, care or have many different hats
on and learn different things and kind of build yourself
up at the time, It's not Walker's fault that he
was born a Monford. Again, I'm willing to step back
(08:04):
and say, okay, listen, man can't get much worse.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Let's see what you got. Show me your ideas. How
are you going to put this thing together? How are we.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Gonna how are we going to dig out of a
Grand Canyon size hole and get this franchise back to
you know, to start with, just back to respectability. What's
the plan?
Speaker 3 (08:26):
And I mean it literally cannot get worse? Well, I
mean not much worse.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Right, I mean there again, you know, I know they
they don't like to hear it, but they're on a
they're on a path right now that would ensure, unless
they play better baseball and have a have a better
winning percentage, that they're going to set the all time
record for most losses in modern baseball history.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
So you know what, it just is what it is
all for that. By the way, it's like the I'm
one of those like, if you're going to be bad,
be the worst.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
No, not the worst in history, I mean be the
worst to get that first overall. But like if you're
looking at other sports, right, yeah, if you're bad in football,
I want you to have the number one overall pick
because that equals a lot of different things.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
But the worst in history, that's just leaves the bad.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Like, for instance, remember when the Broncos played Miami a
couple of years ago and McDaniel.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Called off the dogs, and I'm like.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Just break the record, man, Like, at this point, it's
it's sole thing for you to lay up and not
break it, you know.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I mean I think that you get afraid though in
football because I've.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Been remember when Greg Giano was the coach.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
For Tampa Bay, and I mean at the end of the games,
guys are diving at people's kneecaps and.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Trying to take people out.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
You're just ready to fight in situations like that, right,
So you know you.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
Don't want guy understood guys like that. Yeah, I did
to dive in it like that kind of thing. I
just when they were when the Miami was running it up.
I just got to the point where but just just
keep just keep going. At this point, you're you know,
you're not what I'm.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Saying, like they retaliation, Like, yeah, the retaliation aspect of it, right, Do.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
You know how how that game happened? Do you know why?
Speaker 1 (10:06):
You do know why? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Yes, can we talk about that out of the air now.
I'm gonna see if you're wise the same as mine.
So yeah, I'm gonna do with wives and girlfriends is
a story to do with why? Yes, right, well he
comparted to the story.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Yeah, then maybe maybe maybe we'll keep it. Okay, can
we talk about that? I know, yeah right, just said yeah,
Well they Rocky is not the only people making a change.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Former Denver Nugget Messiah Jerry stepping down in Toronto. The
guy who uh brought them their only championship is is
out there in the with the Toronto Raptors. Of course,
he's won uh Executive the Year with the Nuggets in
twenty thirteen, only non American ever to win that.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
By the way, what do we think about that?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I think it it's good for him at the end
of the day, because when he got to Toronto it
was decent and it was it got even better right
with the Kawhi trade. Hats off to him for being
in the room when that tough decision was made and
sending Damar DeRozan to San Antonio and saying, hey, Khi,
we'll take you. And Kawhi was one year rental, so
(11:16):
you know, there would have been so much more success
had Kawhi stayed. But then when he doesn't stay, then
you get a what rid of Kyle Lowry then see
comes out and all these great players are just out
of there at that point. So I think that this
was something that he might even be kind of excited
about going and seeing a different team in testing his.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Sluck somewhere else, I would just say he will not
be able to work long.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yeah, is there any you know, bringing back to Denver
kind of thing you guys eat? Anybody any interest in that?
Or I don't think that's realistic, But would you have
interest in that?
Speaker 4 (11:47):
I mean I always like MESSI I thought he was
a smart Again, I don't know him from the inner
workings of the organization where you really find out about
a guy and his work ethic and how he thinks
and what he likes to do, what he doesn't like
to do. I don't know all of those things. But
I always liked him. I thought I thought he had
(12:08):
a good presence. I thought he was a sound basketball mind.
Now maybe there's some people that work over there that
are like Dave, you don't know, and that could be
possibly true. But I think he's a sharp, intelligent guy
that understands the game, and I think.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
He's good with people.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
So whether it's back in Denver, as you said, probably not,
but I don't think he'll be out of work too long.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
I'll tell you this as well.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
You know, at the end of the day, he has
a massive impact, whether you look at it as a
positive thing or a negative thing for the NBA, because
when he got there, yeah, guys would get hurt and
there was rest days. But that year when the Raptors
won the championship, why was going one night off the
next night, going one night off the next night. Played
almost like half of the season that year, a little
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bit over half. So you know, when you look at
something like that and you tend to see it still
in the NBA right now, and you know, it pisses
me off. But so that's why it might be a
negative thing for certain people, but also might be a
positive thing.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
And he brought that.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
He's also been very instrumental in bringing basketball to Africa,
you know, which is something that's it's kind of an
emerging market for the.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
NBA that they've been looking at.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Obviously the block countries and that stuff's been pretty well developed.
But bringing basketball to Africa, which which he has done.
You guys, remember was it twenty nineteen, I think when
they clinched over Golden State and he had that incident
with the police officer.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
They didn't recognize him coming on the court.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
Yeah, vaguely try to keep him off the guy.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
I just that just popped into my mind.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
I'd forgotten about that, but yeah, I remember they got
the altercation with the police.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Officer after they won the champions They won the championship,
he's got to get on the court to celebrate with
his guys.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Who are you stop? Yeah, there was.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I mean, you got the they I can't fault that
off because there's so many people trying to get on that.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
People off the court, right.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Yeah, so I think they've wrapped all their claims against
each other. But I was, I just they're curious as
to where he would go next, Like what would be
the next stop for him? You know, as far as
you've already won executive the year, you've won an NBA championship,
what's your what is your next goal in line?
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Are you looking to build something from scratch? Like what
do you I think a bigger question.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
I was thinking maybe he might go to the Knicks,
but Rose is still there. I just wonder who's who's
going to be the coach.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Yeah, they've they've whiffed on a lot, and I gave
you a name.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
I know, I gave you a name off the air.
I'll go ahead and give it to you on the air.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
I would not be surprised if with what they've whiffed
on they wind up with John Calipari potentially being the
next head coach of the New York Knicks. That he
goes back with Rose and Worldwide West, you know, way
way back. They all three go way way back, and
the fact that even though Calipari wasn't very successful as
an NBA head coach, they go way way back, and
you're at the point where you're you know, you're sort
of scraping the bottom of the barrel after firing a
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very successful coach to I don't know, do what.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
I would say.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Hardcore Knicks fans, and there are plenty of them in
New York would look at that and say, we fired
Tom Thibodeau, who got us to the Eastern Conference finals
right for the first time in twenty like five years,
(15:15):
and you're bringing in John Calipari, who has been I mean,
I think he's been a good college coach, but I
think he would have as many detractors as people who
would say positive things about him in terms of I
think Kentucky fans would say, you know, he underachieved. Was
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there had great talent, had one and done guys. And
I mean, you know, I don't know that any single
team or any program during the course of Calipari's tenure
could say there were more first round picks that went
through the door. And I'm trying to remember did he
win Did he win a championship at Kentucky?
Speaker 1 (15:56):
I can't remember? Yeah, did he win one? Yeah, I
know he won one. Was that at Kentucky or was
that at hang Out? I had to go back and look.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Yeah, So I mean with John wall right that they yeah,
might have be be Kansas. I can't I think so. Yeah,
I mean obviously he lost that.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
He lost that Memphis one against Kansas because they couldn't
shoot free House out of.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Stretch, right they had that game won. Yeah, So I
don't know. I'm not sure that. I'm I don't know
that that would be a positive to a lot of
Knicks fans, to tell you the truth.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Yeah, he won one at Kentucky twenty twelve, six final fours.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
So he's I mean, you're in the final four six
times and you win it once.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I don't know. Yeah, two of which are vacated now,
but you know, you know how that goes. But yeah,
and I'm sure they wouldn't be inspired by that.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
But you're starting to the Knicks plan to get rid
of Thibodeaux, which at this point seems so conceived, as
they have not even been able to bring guys into
interviews that they want to want to take a look at.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Whoever the next head coach is for the next that
fan base is going to throw up a little bit
in their mouth. Yeah, I mean at this point, just
because you see how the dominoes are falling, and you know,
I don't know how you move on from a coach
that has had some has had plenty of success, gets
there kind of really puts that team together and teaches
them a thing or two.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
I heard Mark Jackson, for what it is right now,
might very well be in the mix.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
I wouldn't be surprised. I mean at this you know,
that'd be a decent name.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
I think Mark Jackson would be a choice that that
would resonate more with Knicks fans than John Calipari.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Oh absolutely, I absolutely do.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
I just think that the relationship that Leon Rose and
world Wide West have like that. That was their guy
back when they were agents and he was you know,
and they were funneling guys to him like that. You know,
that might be one of those things where he does
them a solid like, hey, you know you okay, I'll
be the interim guy till you find somebody else since
your you know, your plant sort of fell apart here.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
I don't know. The grass isn't always greener, though. That's
one of those things where, you know, I look at this,
it goes back to.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Here locally when the Nuggets fired or Carl and went
with uh was it Brian Shaw they had out here
by Scott whatever whoever it was, it was, it was Shaw,
Brian Shaw, Yeah, and he very clearly was not up
to the task of you know, that kind of thing.
The grass isn't always greener sometimes that guy that's getting
you there something you know, you have to be sure
before you.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Make that pull that plug. At what point do you know.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Like at what point None of us are general managers,
but what point do you know, Like I got to
pull the plug here, I got to make a move
like the Nuggets did with you know, with Michael Malone.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
I think the Thibodeau move was made uh after you know,
player interviews, exit interviews after the season, right. I don't
think anybody in the right mind could be disenchanted with
the job in terms of where they finished given that roster. Now,
Thibodeau is a guy that rides his starters. He's always
(18:49):
been that way. He's not a guy that plays the
bench a lot. And I think when management talked to
the players, I think players squawked about it, and I
would get us. Maybe Jalen Brunson squawked about it.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Father is on that coaching staff.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Others father Rick Brunson is what was one of Thibodeau's assistants.
So I think they probably reacted to players saying, hey man,
this is not working, and so you react to that,
but you react to that in a way. This whole
thing tells me that they really weren't going to make
(19:27):
that move until they talked to two or three key
players that they put a lot of stock in. May
have got the same answer then said Okay, we're making
a move, and they make a move without a clear
cut idea in terms of what are we doing if
we make this move.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
And that's the problem because at the end of the day,
that basketball team already has an identity, and whoever you
bring in, who's to say they're not going to try
to change that identity. A great coach is a person
that understands each and every individual, what do they do best,
and now, how do I put those guys in the
best position to succeed. Time and time again, coaches come
in and they try to say, man, I got this
(20:06):
young innovative mine, or I've got this philosophy and we're
gonna be able to implement this, and it crashes and
burns to the ground.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
And we've certainly seen that across the plethora of sports
you know before, with all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Oh we come back, we get it. A couple of
other things.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
The NHL Draft starts tonight, but the Avs, much like
the Nuggets, have no picks. Also, I guess some metallic
tickets to give away to the ground can't wait sports.
The drafts lately have been a bust for Denver fans.
The Nuggets, of course, didn't have any draft picks in
the In the NBA draft, ACKs the Aaron Gordon trade,
which I think worked out well for the Nuggets, but
still in the NHL Draft, which starts tonight, the Avs
(20:41):
have no picks. Why do we think the NFL draft
is so much more entertaining than the other leagues.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Bigger fan bases. I'd say, do you know what, the
NBA's got a big fan base, but just like.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
College, right when you get you know, some of these
people have been following these kids from they left high
school and then the college stage becomes so big, and
then you got to be in college for multiple years.
Some of these kids are getting drafted to night in
NHL drafts. First time you ever heard their names coming
from Sweden, coming from all over like just Europe, all Canada,
(21:17):
all can't pronounce half their names, whatever the case may be.
But I think just around the NFL, like the hype
gets built up year after year for some of these kids,
and these fan bases are just right or died.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
We Conversely, you got guys playing aau ball, I mean
guys coming up playing basketball a long times, not like
they don't have dedicated fan base people.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Yeah, I think this, I think goes absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
One.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Football is the most popular sport in this country by
leaps and bounds.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
I saw and I've told the story before.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
In the air, I saw an interesting stat This was
years ago. It was like eighty seven percent of all
males over the age of twenty one have played at
least a year of organized football, which means there's a
lot of.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Fans that.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
I mean, there are fans that absolutely understand the game,
know the game, but there's a lot of fans that
follow the game, even casual fans that have played and
and think they know a lot about football. It's a
much bigger base of fans to draw from. College football
is a huge, huge entity. And you know, you could say,
(22:41):
well so is college basketball. Yeah, when they get to
the when they get to March Madness, yes, but college
basketball up until March Madness is more.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Of a niche follow.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Like if you go to Ames, Iowa on a weekend
in January or February or March, or Lawrence, Kansas or
man At in Kansas or still or still Water, Oklahoma,
I mean, you're going to get seventeen thousand people that
are out of their minds watching what happens to their
loved home team. But that doesn't necessarily translate into a
(23:15):
very broad spectrum of fans where college football does, and
so obviously does the NFL.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
It start of fact, what year would you think that
football passed baseball in terms of popularity here in the US,
Because I was surprised when I found this out.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
I went back and researched this.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
With the gallop poles and all that kind of stuff,
I would have guessed like the you know, the early nineties,
but ninety four.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Oh no, but actually it's much much much earlier, much
earlier than that.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Yeah, I would I would say it would be I mean,
I grew up a huge baseball fan as well as
football fan. I mean baseball, you know, in the mid
I would say baseball was America's past time. Even I'd
say mid sixties, that's when it sort of started to change.
That'd be my guest. That's what started changing.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
In effect, the wires crossed in nineteen seventy two, where
more respondence to the gallop pole said that football was
more popular and baseball never came back.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
They did have a surge in the mid nineties that
they got up there.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
In part of that I think was the home run
stuff and all that kind of stuff, and then they
fell back off. Baseball is the third most popular sport
in America Right now, the NBA passed I'm really in
ninety eight, but for good. In two thousand and one,
the NBA passed. Major League Baseball is the second most
popular sport, but it comes nowhere close to even at
the height of the NBA, where it was it was
(24:31):
garnering sixteen seventeen percent, where football routinely gets forty to
fifty percent of respondents as the most most popular sport.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
And I think a lot of that has to do
at pace. I mean, you know, just the pace of
baseball continuing to be slow, and they've done some things
over the last couple of years. But you know, you
look at the game of football back in the day
where when Dave played, you know, left tackles were in
the right handed stance, and you know, a couple.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Of years forward.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
You want to miss my one, Wow, catching strays out
of here. It just gets more interesting, right, And like
the power and the strength, and like the just the
physicality and in the plays, right, I mean, the playbook
gets so much more bigger in the trick plays. I
think that has to do with it as well. But yeah,
I mean you look at the roster size, like an
(25:23):
NBA roster, Well, if you take a football roster and
the practice squad, it's three times the size. You look
at the NHL roster, it's the same exact thing. And
then training camp you have like eighty guys in training camp.
So there's just so many people following these guys. And
I think that also kind of like I'm a Bronco
fan for life, and I never grew up watching the Broncos.
(25:44):
When I got drafted here, I didn't even know what
that area code was, the three zero three until John said, hey,
it's John Elway.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
On the line, and now I'm a lifer.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
So I think there's that like just massive pull that
the NFL has as well.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
You know, for me, I would have said something to
the of the violence of the sport maybe even though
that's waned over the years, helping out with that.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
But then MMA and boxing are one percent.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
I mean, boxing has falling below one percent in terms
of the amount of people that didn't want to watch that.
It's it's football, you know, way up here, and you
combine everything else.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
It doesn't even nip the heels.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
So that's how popular, that's how big a monster football
is here in the United states.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
I think I'm a in boxing though. It's because of
the time in between the match, right. You could be
a fan of a certain person they'll fight and then
all of a sudden next month later another yeah, six
eight months right or with that NFL you know you
missed it in an offseason, but once you get it,
it's every week.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
I mean boxing in its heyday, and I have always
been a huge aficionado of boxing, but in its heyday,
I think what what drew maybe casual fans to the
sport was that the heavyweight division had guys that.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
You you wanted to see fight.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Yeah right now, I think they they what first started
her boxing, they watered it down with too many different
belts and nobody could figure out, like, wait, is it
the w BC or is it the w B A
I b oh the I. I mean it's like who
who's who's fighting who? I think also, you mentioned m
(27:25):
M A. I think I think that sport has an
appeal to younger people. Uh and and I enjoy it.
I mean, I've got to tell you, I enjoy it now.
I still will watch like a really good boxing match
just for the skill of the fighters.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
But as as O said, it's way too infrequently.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
And I mean, and the heavyweight division is what that
that sort of brings everybody together in the world of boxing.
When's the last great heavyweight fight? I mean, I mean,
even if you went back to when Klitchko fought right,
I mean, we just haven't seen these compelling big men
(28:07):
that like, man, I want to see these two dudes
get in the ring because there's gonna be some haymakers.
We haven't had that recently. I'll say this too.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Personalities, Yeah, right, I think with boxing back in the day,
when you look at that have you weight, like, there
were so many different unique personalities. Sometimes now in today's
like Emma, I feel almost feel like it's watered down.
I almost feel like it's kind of being it feels
fake like boxing and some of the personalities feel like
that's really not who you are. We're back in the day.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
You're looking at Mike Tyson, You're like, I mean, also
back in the day the lightweight division. I mean you
talk about Chugar, Ray Leonard and Tommy Hearns and Wilfred
Wilfredo Benitez. At one point you were talking about Marvin
Hagler middleweight. I mean, there were some world class fighters.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
But you couldn't even get Pacio and Mayweather to fight
until Pachio's expiration dated already.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
I mean, the last time we had great heavyweights was
that that late eighties to mid nineties. I think run
when you had.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Tyson and holy Field and Rick Bow and you know,
and guys like that.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
But it's sort of fast. It was just fascin me
to watch He's number. Just how much of a monster
football is.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Baseball is closer to soccer in terms of US popularity
than it is to being twenty five percent of what
football is.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Yeah, as Oh said, I think for especially for kids,
the game is regarded as being too slow and uneventful.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
You have to have grown up in a certain era
to have a full appreciation of baseball as a sport,
which I did. But for for a lot of kids
growing up today, it's they don't feel baseball.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
It feels like my generation is probably the last one
that really appreciated, you know, baseball, because it's just you know,
you have the strikes.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
And the scandals after that, all that kind of stuff.
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Dylan Brooks, by the way, who just got traded, has
found the restraining or against his ex, and in that
restraining I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
I don't know why this is funny to me.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Brooks has said in the restraining order that his ex
she has threatened to cut off his fingers and that's
the reason he's filed for the resturning order. You don't
know why it's funny to you.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
I don't know. I'm gonna tell you.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Yeah, tell me, because just who Dylan Brooks has been
in the NBA. Everybody there's everybody has a little bit
of like, now really.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Like that guy, absolutely this. I just think he's a
fake tough guy.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
I'm with you on that. Just like, have you seen
the quotes on this or whatever. No.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
So, she's the mother of two of his children. They
met at a Las Vegas night club back in the day,
and it's, uh, this is this is a quote.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
I'll h a b E.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
She meant to say, have but h a b someone
cut each of your effing little fingers off, one by
one so you can never play basketball capital l O
L dot dot not. And actually, now I understand why
people are racist.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
This is a text message she said, though, Wow, wow, boy,
that is funny.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
I'm glad you I'm glad you said capital.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
L O L Yeah, caps lo ol mam.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Yeah, do your homework, fellows.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Sentence that have been uttered, Do your homework, your homework.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Another message apparently said to his mother, I'll send someone
after your mom and called his mom the B word.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Oh boy. That was the mother of two of his kids. Yeah,
so it's not even like you, like you still some
form of communication. How old are those little kids?
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Right?
Speaker 1 (31:44):
I mean?
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Oh man, I yeah, this is just I mean, wow,
like reading reading some of this stuff or whatever, and like, look,
to be fair, I saw the pictures, Dylan.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
I get it. Bro Oh yeah I saw a picture too.
I get it, you know.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
But also, but I guess not every single time. But
in situations like that, do you not have to know
going into this like.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Is a viral thing.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
The guy's got the not crazy matrix or whatever, he's.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Like, you never crossed this line.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
I mean you have to know you're jumping into the
crazy pool, or at least there's a possibility.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Yeah, it makes no sense. I mean that's why I
say do your.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Homework, because I mean maybe I just grow up around
too much like turmoil and saw a lot of craziness
where there was arguments in all these different things, whether
it's a friends relationship or family members relationships. But for me,
I was always like, Okay, that's what I don't want,
So how do I make sure that I don't get that?
Speaker 1 (32:48):
I made sure I did my homework.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Point of clarity here, Actually she is the mother of
one of his children and found out about the second
one on the way.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Which I believe precipitated this. Hm oh wait.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
Wait she found out about it second one on the way,
that that she's not caring is not okay, okay, Maury
Povich would say, you are not the mother. Okay, Well,
you know, anyway, I've seen people go crazy for much less.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Uh huh right, Yes, I mean in.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
That situation, when did you just want to kind of
get away from him? If he cheated on you, now
he's had he's having a child on the side, wouldn't
you just.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Kind of be happy?
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Like okay, like yeah, no, fingers off, you would want
to cut his I yes, I want to get away
to get away purpose though, like as your mother, wouldn't
you want the child support and all that kind of stuff?
Speaker 1 (33:36):
And now you try to take away you.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Can't be doing car wheels. That's all as her in
that situation. Maybe she really loves the guy. Maybe I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
I know you want to cut his fingers off, you
want to call his mom these type of names.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
I mean, does anything say real love to you more
so than cutting your face?
Speaker 1 (33:52):
When you put a ring on, you put the ring
on the finger.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
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