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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What do you get in your mouth?
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Finished up last, but I have a clipbar. I did
not time that minted out the grant. Grant gave me
the one minute warning and I did not time that out.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Then they're done that several several times ones, five, six, six,
nine zeros. The text line is like, swallow that. Uh, guys,
Texas State head of the.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
PAC twelve latest to uh latest to be added to that?
Speaker 1 (00:24):
What was nearly nascent conference?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I guess obviously Colorado State joining the PAC twelve can
Zagga will joined as a non football member.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
UH.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Texas State, but a program kind of on the rise
there in the sun Belts under GJ.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Kenney. I don't know if we're viewing the PAC twelve.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
As a P five conference anymore, but certainly it carries
the weight of that name. It's it's sort of interesting
with all the realignment everything is going on, do conferences
even matter anymore in college football?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
I don't think it matters for not because of all
of that. I think it doesn't really matter because at
the end of the day, a lot of these kids
are all one year mercenaries. For me, I look at
all college football, it's like, Okay, you can start off
in the PAC twelve, end up in the ACC, finish
off at the SEC. Because these kids are going to
try to level up every single year if they have
an opportunity to.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yeah, I would say that it does still matter, but
it matters less unless you are in the SEC or
the Big Ten. Okay, I mean I could, I could
get with that. I think the ACC is a notch below. Yeah,
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three conference so close the Big twelve, I mean, and
in the PAC twelve. I mean Texas State. I'm familiar
with them, uh, just coaching high school football. They've done
a really good job at kind of building that program up.
But I mean, realistically, how excited do you think the
PAC twelve. I mean, if I'm Texas State, I'm going
(01:58):
to be real excited, Yeah, real excited. But I don't
know is the PAC twelve going to be really excited
about adding Texas State? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I mean, obviously they in order to uh issue the invite,
they have to have some some level of excitement, and
I believe that gives them a footprint down there in Texas,
which for media and you know, deals and whatever else.
That's certainly something that you would think would be would
be a positive, but they're not exactly a world beater
conference right now with all the I mean, here's.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
A good question. You have three college football fans in
this room. Name name the PAC twelve current teams. I
can name the current seven plus Texas State. Well, first
of all, are there only seven? Well, so Texas State will.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Vote and they're going to vote on Monday, and that
would be eighth team. Yes, Magazine, there as a non.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Football I told you that. Yes, Washington State, Yes, Boise, Yes,
Boise PAC twelve, San Diego State, Yes, that's five issue
at six six, so we're missing one.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Texas State would be one. Well, gazag is non foot basketball. No,
and no it's not Wyoming is Utah State?
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Mmm? So Wyoming is still in the Mountain West.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yes, Miaoming is still in the Mountain West. Utah State
is the other one. And then obviously, uh, Texas State
will be the eighth football member. Kazaga is a member
of the PAC twelve but not a non football participant.
So yeah, those are those are the and it doesn't
have quite the cachet that the old PAC twelve.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
There's schools, schools. I think there's a step above the
Mountain West and what it was. So the Mountain West
currently would be Wyoming, air Force, air Force and then
you know San Jose State.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Back up right, yeah, air Force, Wyoming, San Jose State.
Who else is in the Mountain westy are they still
in the Mountain West or they're in No? By using
the big twelve, aren't they? I'm not one hundred on that.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Grants like Acrack Research staff is looking at up is
there's so many shuffling around here.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
You go, You've got three guys that actually follow fairly
closely college football and we can't we I mean, this
would have three years ago, this would never have happened.
We could name every school UNLV. Isn't there in the
Mountain West?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
That's air Force, wo Wyoming, San Jose State, Mexico, Nevada, Hawaii.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
By using six twelve, is Idaho in the Mountain West?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
I thought Idaho dropped to deep f CS. Mm, yeah,
they dropped out, Like I said, Paul Patrado was coaching there.
They dropped back to the they dropped back to the
f CS. Crazy so yeah, but anyway, but they realize it,
like is it going forward? And my thought process here
is filtered to the lens of how do we determine
national champion? Are we going to have to have ni
(05:09):
L like salary cap tears for the for the turtlet
you know, like for a for a championship tournament. Are
we gonna have to have like your floor salary cap
is this and and so you get to go to
the you know, the main is that how we determine
this going forward?
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Because it feels like.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Whatever governing wherever governing institution hands the n cua A
hands the reins off to when they eventually.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
You know, think about this. You have the SEC and
the Big ten. Yeah, so who would have.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
I don't like the fact that you don't keep on
mentioned in the ACC.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
So yeah, the SEC, the Big ten in the a
c C. Who would have the ability to say a
fellows listen in in in fairness, we're going to have
to institute an ni L cap on every one of
our member teams in our Who does that? Well, That's
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what I'm getting.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
There's got to be some governing body when the n
c double A eventually crumbles, got it all right?
Speaker 1 (06:06):
All right? All right? We got Bill Belichick's girlfriend, Jordan
Jordan Hudson.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Maybe I mean people are going to listen to Bill.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Maybe that's I.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Mean, because there's the halfs and the have nots, and
and if we look at the teams that are in
the tournament as it is, it's the teams.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
That are spending like there, it's the money, That's what
I mean. So so I think it's.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Going to be able to cap it well, but I
don't think it's a top cap. I think it's a floor.
I think you put a floor. And if you're not
spending this much.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
You're not conversation, same question, who can do that?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Whomever the governing body ultimately becomes when the ncub A
crumbles under its own weight at this point.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Yeah, but so let's just let's just say Mountain West teams.
So let's say let's say let's take Air Force out
because they're a service academy. Right, Let's let's take San
Jose State and Nevada. Okay, some governing body is going
to contact the president and athletic director at each of
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those two universities and say, hey, here's we've come up
with this plan, and here's the floor on what you
have to spend. Otherwise, what and what and I mean,
what is what stops the university from sand Really, I
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mean so no, because nobody is in charge. Who's in charge? Now?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
That that's the quietness, that's where I'm leading. At the
end of the day. The NCAA is an incredibly ineffective institution.
Uh anymore. I mean it's it's the wild West out
there for atil.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
But I think that you could get I think you
could get coaches on board with that. When you look
at like the Big ten, to ACC and the SEC,
I think those coaches would all be for like a
flora if hey, if you're not spending this type of money.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Happened, what happens to you leave the conference? No?
Speaker 3 (08:06):
No, the college football playoffs, Like, it doesn't matter what
your season was, right, it doesn't matter what what it
was or how that you know you could have a
feat a season. I can't see you're not there.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I can't see any university going for that. I mean
what like between those three big conferences. No, the president
of the AD pushback and say, wait a minute, we
didn't spend that last year and we made it. Well.
I obviously it'd be wrinkles to work out.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
But like the schools that would be the havenots are
still gonna be the have notts anyway, nobody's gonna let
Central Florida. Remember undefeated Central Florida didn't you know, didn't
get their chance even though they did everything they could.
And that was before we had the you know, the
the curtain list, that was the money, that was the.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
TV money thing more than anything else, right.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
But you know, I mean that to me, that's a
team that earned it as much as anyone has ever
earned it. I mean, you can only play who's put
in front of you. If they were easy to go undefeated,
some more more teams that do it none you.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Could end up in a Florida State type of situation
where you are such a great team and Jordan Travis
yep gets hurt and you get embarrassed, right, I mean
you look like a completely different team.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Blues to Georgia y Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
There's all kinds of stuff to this, And I understand
we got to hit a traffic break here a second.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
But there's all kind of stuff this.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
I want to carry this conversation though, because what is
the future of these events?
Speaker 1 (09:20):
What is the future Like, is the NCAA, the n
i T and all that kind of stuff going to
be segregated by salary caps. Once we find an institution
for this weird.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Talk about the nil before we before it break there,
and there's got to be some sort of change to
the structure of how they do things, because you're right,
the players are it is a mercenary environment, and these
one year deals encourage that. They encourage you to drop
off the team that you're on and rebid your services
to the next which I'm not complaining about guys secure
in the bag, But at the same time, there's there's
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just no way to be able to handle all this
stuff as it goes. Is this process the best way
to be doing things.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
I don't know. We have text from the nine to
seven oh that says so in your scenario, Alabama buys
their way into the playoffs every year even if they
lose four games to Pack twelve or wine.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
But if you don't have a if you're not spending
a certain amount of money, and you're one of these
smaller tier schools, if you go undefeated, you're a smaller
tear school, you're probably gonna most likely get like embarrassed
out there when you go against one of these SEC
or Pac ten or Big ten or s or ACC schools.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yeah, I think they should scrap the conferences all together
and go with regional affiliation. And then you know, if
you're in the Southwest or you know whatever, that helps
cut down on expenses for schools because you're not traveling
as far. And then from there you turn around, you
put a salary cap floor into you know, this is
region Tier A, this is the salary cap floor, and
this is what you've got to be to be in there.
And if you're in the A, you're invited to the
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big tournament and you're not, you're invited like the n
I t You know.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
So how many how many teams would be actually in
Tier A, Well, you'd.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Have to figure that out. Like that's one of those
things where you know, you set the floor. You set
the floor for each sport or whatever it is. If
you're gonna spend if you're gonna be get zag, obviously
you're gonna spend more in basketball, probably not in football
since you're not a football.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
So if you think back and they've expanded it this year,
but if if you think back to last year, aside
from the fact that they want to they now want
to change some of the some of the first round
home teams, right and like Boise got to buy and
then got directly in and the and played who Penn State. Yep.
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So if you're not careful, though, you're gonna you're gonna
completely eliminate the opportunity for that one team in that
one special year that they put together. Now, could they
do it, you know and play in the SEC in
a regular basis, No, But that one year they put together,
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you're gonna eliminate that possibility really of them ever ever
getting a chance to go to the College Football Playoffs.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
But I think when you look at teams, like you
look at a Boise team, that's a team that historically,
like I remember since like Ryan Clady was there right
back in like the mid two thousands when they beat
Oklahoma right and like, they have been a team that, yeah,
they might have never had everything ready to go each
and every year, but they are actively.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Trying to compete.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
I agree some of these schools they're just hanging out
like like, hey, we're going to go We're going to
go do something else. I think bottom line for me
Fellas what's happening right now, it is going to be
a train wreck. It's going to end up being a disaster.
These kids are saying how I mean how so because
these kids are saying, hey, I'm going to the highest
bidder no matter what.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
You're already eliminating those magical seasons because everybody's going to the.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
High better well, and to me, those are two different.
I completely agree with that.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
No, but also, like you look at like bowl games
and stuff, these kids don't care about bowl games, right,
Like I remember, like that mattered to me game playing
against Notre Dame. My head coach had got fired, but
I got to play for my offensive line coach because
he became the interim head coach. And this is where
it becomes a train wreck for me, because what happens
when the NFL goes to eighteen games? What are the
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veterans going to vote on? They're going to want less
time in those facilities. It's not thinking about the rookies
and the younger kids that need to get developing stuff
like that.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
So now it's almost like.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
If you are not NFL already coming out of college,
you're never going to have that opportunity in an NFL.
So guys like Chris Harris Junior, where do you find
that from a Shaq Barrett? Where do you find those
magical stories and those magical careers from when you're doing
the way that we're doing it right now.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
So that's for me, that's why it has to change.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
The Other part of this is like, because it's year
over year and rebib, you get situations where, if you
do have any sort of magic to it, the key
or the impetus, the player who's keying that in college football.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Is going somewhere is going to one of the haves
the next season. Yeah, I don't disagree with that. I
think they may. We were talking about the nil and
the contracts the players are going to be required to
sign with their universities. I mean they may have them
where it's going to be more than more than two
more than a year. You got to sign a two
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year deal, so I know, or maybe you got to
sign a three year deal. Now, the risk of that
is some players will not want to do that, and
maybe you don't get them where you normally would get
them in a smaller school. But even a two year deal, right,
that would stop the I'm here one year, I'm here,
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the next year, I'm over here. The third year. Uh,
And it's all money driven and I don't see any
way right now that anybody has the ability to sort
of get a hold of this thing and say, okay,
wait a minute, we're going to change this and this
and tweak that, and by doing those things, we're going
to stop some of this player migration.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
It also benefit the player because with these one year
deals right now, a lot of these kids they don't
know if they want to go into portal. But it's
the you know what you do money, it's the it's
the pastor, it's the it's the mom's friend, it's it's
the high school coach, or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Where we've heard this and if you.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Jump into portal like this team's willing to give you
this and I'm going to jump into portal and there
is no offer, so, you know, allow them to really
focus in on their sports as well when you go
to multi year deals instead of the one year deal
that we're seeing right now.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I just think the height of ridiculousness was this past season.
I was looking at a player who was getting ready
to transfer yet again. He was announcing his transfer I believe,
from usc UH and in his photo announcing that he
was no, he's moving from Penn State. So he was
he had a picture of himself at Georgia transferring from
Penn State to USC and I'm like, what do we
what are.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
We even doing here? You know this is this is
ridiculous to me.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
I just can't think that the model with one year
deals is sustainable going for I agree, So I agree, Kay,
sports will be.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
I could I can picture you karaoke that I could
see that.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
That's one of my that Miley Cyrus call call him
good Lord us.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
A party in the USA. I need video of that. Somewhere.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
There's video of myself and Ryan Harris doing a wagon
wheel at a celebrity of a charity event that Kathy
Lee had us come out to.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Okay, so somewhere there's video of that. I can find
that out there. Yeah, there's worst video be out there.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
So karaoke is one of the best bath time I joy.
It just doesn't matter. You go up there, you make
a fool out of yourself and everybody's laughing, everybody's having
a great time.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Yeah you have to go to karaoke song me.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Yeah, I didn't here it would it would it would
be something out of the R and B genre.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
I would not be worth a darn in the country field.
Although I will say this, like one of one of
the times we went with a group of people to
Vegas and they had they had tickets to George Straight
and honestly fellas I'm thinking, what the hell am I
going to do at George Straight concert? But it was
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nice enough, the group got great seats. I went absolutely outstanding.
Then the next time at Tahoe saw like Old Dominion, Okay,
love made Old Dominion. Absolutely can get with them too,
So you know what, you got to be open minded.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Well, I enjoy going to country shows less for the
music and more for the scene. Ring dude, you know,
but I still I've enjoyed myself so R and B
on the karaoke stuff too, which you know, for the
crowd that I'm usually singing to, they're like, oh, you know,
like it's it's a It's one of those kind of moments.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
So and that's why I do what I do as well.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Imagine that six seven pound African American yeah Brooks Brooks, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Yeah, we got the boots and stuff like that, but
not not the hat. Never been really big on the hats.
But or even just like I hopped out the plane
at L A X, my God.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
There we go. I knew not.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
It's the funniest thing too, because like you with the
Miley Cyrus and then Fergus all the about the Taylor Swift,
I'm like, that's.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Your karaoke song.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Like Taylor Swift got huge Shania Twain and Taylor Swift fan.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
I like Shania Twain. Yeah, Like, I just don't know.
I mean, I I just don't know enough of Taylor
Swift's music to like her or not like her. I don't.
I don't dislike her because she's with Travis Kelcey and all.
I mean, there's some hate on her just from that. Yeah. Well,
speaking of what, she hopped on stage in Nashville at.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
The tight End University doing the collge you see that,
doing the impromptu concert and Travis Kelsey's tight End University thing. Yeah,
she got on stage and like did a little impromptu
concert thing, and people are, you know, wondering if that's
becoming more an event they're.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Still finally giving back to the game of football.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Well, because when that situation first started, we were like
the third game after that was like a public thing.
It was out here in Denver, and there was this
whole big to do about whether or.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Not she was gonna come out here, remember that.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
And they had to put special If we're going to
put special security in, woud up not coming. But it
was the first game she had missed since that became public.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
And but it was a thing like they were like.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah, we're gonna have to block off this area and
you're not gonna be allowed to do you know, all
this kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
You have the kidney like.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Wow, get in the sprint event, pull up underneath the
stadium and no more added security needed.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
You have your own security. Well they I mean there's
not a ton of security. When you go to the suites,
there's not a ton of security.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I mean you get the people there at the you know,
checking your your pads, you get beyond that rope, there's
like there's not much there.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Yeah, But I mean if she would put a ad
on and walk towards she was.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Still everybody would know she is. But I think that
that's what it is.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
If you have the entourage around, you have a lot
of people are like who's that, who's that, and then
they're like, oh, that's teller.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yeah. But if you if she honestly, if she went
to a game without any entourage. I mean she she
would have a hard time. I mean there'd be countless
people would want pictures and autographs. I mean, she'd be swore.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
She couldn't sit in a stamps so she could not
sit in the stand. She'd have to get a sweep.
But even then there would still be you know, there
would still be a swarm of people at the entrance
is trying to get a photo or an autograph or
whatever else.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
You'd be one of them. Me, I'm not an autograph person.
You're a Taylor Swift guy.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
She could be a Benjamin all Bright girl she wanted
to be. Yeah, I'm just saying, you know, Travis Kelcey short, yeah,
short hand buck fifty ye.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
We all got twenty minutes, guys. So I'm not sure
of all the efficiencies. I haven't compared to Travis Kelcey.
But yeah, these things have turned into a vents.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Von Miller's not signed by anybody, but they're doing the
sack deals, the Sack camp or whatever, and.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Travis Kelcey's tight End Universe.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
These are becoming media events now and Von kind of
kicked off the trend with the with the Sack camp.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Yeah, I remember when he was talking about it, and
I thought it was going to be one of the
coolest things in the world, because you know, he had
already had a previous relationship with DeMarcus Ware and now
you have Elvis Doomerville that's already here. And you know,
Vaughn had the year that he had already in the
National Football League, our rookie year in twenty eleven. And
now you can see that thing evolved. But wasn't the
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How long has the man in passing Academy been around?
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Oh, that's been around a minute.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Yeah, that was started when I think Peyton was in
his first or second second year.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Eli, I was still in college when the thing got started.
I'm not so sure. I see, I thought maybe Peyton
was still at Tennessee. It might have been.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
He was still at Tennessee. Yeah, Peyton was two years
left at Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
That's right, guy. I knew Eli was not in the
league when the thing got started. Yeah. But you know
what the cool thing about it is, though, really, and
I don't know when it became this way, but I
like it. It used to be in the era of
social media, there are a lot more people that are
able to communicate with people that normally, you know, before
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social media and what have you, you just didn't get
a chance to do it. But there in the offseason,
back in the day, like in the NFL, you weren't
sharing secrets with anybody. You weren't going to camp learning.
I mean, you weren't working with this guy who played
for the Steelers. It's like no, And now you've got
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guys that are willing to say, hey man, here's the
way I do two or three things. Let's work on
these things over the next two or three days and
let me see if I can help you get better.
I like that about our game.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
And it makes the game just evolved, and I promise
you have that doesn't start happening. The Broncos don't win
Super Bowl fifty because one of the key components that
a lot of people don't ever talk about is what
we all know the player that the mark is where
was We know what he brought to a football field
from just your visual cues of it, but what he
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brought to the Broncos as an organization, it was now
we battled each other every single day, and if we
lost a battle and we gave a key or a tip,
he would talk about it, and I say that I
remember it like it was yesterday. We break the huddle,
I jog up to the line and we're running power
and I'm at left guard and dware is at the
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end of the line of Scrimtiny's standing up and he's
looking and he's like, hey, y'all, oh's light. He's pulling.
He's pulling, y'all. Hey, Todd Davis, he's coming for you
to the backside linebacker. And I'm just trying to keep
a straight face. But I am defeated in that moment
because I am pulling and I pulled around the corner
and Todd's able to blow it up. And I went
right to Dwaar and I said, how did you know?
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And he told me, And then our whole team starts
doing that now and talking to each other when we
were given like certain keys as far as what we
were doing, and it really made us dial in now
and we gave no tells moving forward.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Now.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
See.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
I think that's great from that perspective, the intra team
dynamic as far as that goes. But then you talk
about like for instance, Vaughan's you know, sack camp or whatever,
and you're.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Given tips to Max Crosby. But everybody can't do what
von Miller does though. That's why.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
I mean, nobody's will run under a table at full speed,
you know, and had the bend that Vod has.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
But what I'm saying is you're tipping off guys. You're
tipping off guys around the league.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Corp gonna take that back to their offensive and defensive
coordinators and say, this is what this guy does.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
These are the things that he's doing. Like things like
that have I agree with you, but things like that
have been going on like in the NBA forever, right,
I mean with with camps in the off season and
guys who wanted to go out and work with Michael
and work with Kobe, and I just think it's it's great.
And as Oe said, you know, Von can teach a
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young pass rusher two or three things, maybe a couple
of things that could really really help him, but that
guy still has to go out and perform them. Right.
It's it's it's him refining, like little things like what
Orlando said about DeMarcus Ware being able to look down
the line of scrimmage, maybe look at the hand that
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those got down the ground.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
You said it was my back foot whenever I was
pulled in my back left foot, instead of being it straight,
it would like just bend a little bit out.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
More little things like that, right. But yeah, and Ben's
right too, because that he's working with the teammate, trying
to help the team get better. So I understand I
understand sort of the logic from some people that would say, well,
why would Vaughn why would we want him to help
Max Crosby or some of or you know, some of
the great pass rushers. I think it's just a way
to continue to help grow our game, right, to help
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some of these young dudes, because sooner or later Bond's
not going to be playing anymore. And then Max Crosby
maybe he picked up a couple of things from Vond
and maybe he can help Nick, Benito and you. That's
just how you grow the game.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
I remember Dave Magazine was like, look at Clady, look
a look at look at Clayton.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
I want you to do it like this. I was like,
I've never looked like that and my life, I look
like I'm gonna blow a hamstring out. Clay was pretty So,
I mean, you could.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Teach a person anything, right, I mean, but for them
to be able to implement its.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Yeah, if I could go to the camp, Von could
show me what he does. Not in a billion years
am I ever going to replicate any of it.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
But like my I yes, I'm just wired different because
I'm like I'm wired like and let's take football out
of it.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Let's talk broadcasting for a second.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
I oh, my, help some young buck if he's you know,
he's coming up and wants to learn how to do
something whatever and that kind of stuff. But I'm also
not going to teach him all my secret because I
don't want to take my job.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Well, like what I mean seriously, what like what secret
would you be hesitant to tell a young guy?
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Uh, let's just say, okay, I'll pick something randoms like
social media. Right, I have the largest social media following
in Denver sports by far.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
It's right.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
I'm not gonna tell people how I did that. I'm
not gonna tell I'm not gonna go out there and
tell people how I did that.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
No, I get that. I mean, I can understand your
point on that, but it's a little bit different in
terms of a media person really growing his social or
her social media numbers as opposed to one of the
elite pass rushers. You know what I mean, there's a
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lot of people that would want and I think, listen,
even if you did, they still have to be able
to be in the right place the right time. They
have to have a certain amount of talent. They got
to have an ability to communicate. They you know, there's
a lot of things they would have to do in
order to take your job.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
But if I'm an attendee at one of these camps,
let's say I'm Max Crosby for a minute, von Miller's
doing this and he's still with the Broncus, he's doing
this stuff. You know what I'm doing is I'm running
back to Pete Carroll. Hey, here's how von Miller does
all his stuff. Now, can we work up something to
you know, here's his tells, here's his tips.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
But here's the thing though, it's not giving you tails
or tips.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
And Vond's already one of those outphas.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
He's already awarred that he right, So Pete Carroll should
be saying, Okay, how do we get too on this guy?
Every single time? Are we chipping with the tight end?
Are we're coming out of the backfield? Are we slid
into protection to him, right. So some of it is
just not being an idiot when you're a coach, right,
understanding what a guy is and what a guy's not.
And here's what I sit there and tell him whatever
you want.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Here's what I would think about football if you had
if you had Sean mcvay's play called Charts, and you
were playing the rams and they left it somewhere, and
you had it the night before the game. Now there
are others that would disagree with my point, but I
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would say the benefit of you actually having that sheet
and being able to look at the sheet would be
minimal because number one, you might know some of the terminology.
Maybe it's similar to what you run, right, you might
know that, hey, on third down and medium, these are
the seven plays that he's gonna call right on third
down and eight plus, here's what he likes on on
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red zone, here's the here's the four runs and four passes.
You you would have all that, but you wouldn't know
when that was going to be called. And the game
is too fast and sidelined. And so back to your
point about von Miller with Max Crosby, going back to
Pete Carroll saying, here's what he likes. That would be good,
and maybe Pete Carroll would make his offensive line coach
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aware of that and the tackles and we play him
here's what he's gonna do. But when you get into
that type speed and action, all that goes out the window.
I mean, it's still execution. I agree with your point.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
I'm just playing the devil's advocate a little bit here,
because you know, the game of football is a margins
game in a lot of ways, and every little edge
I would have been out there videotape and practices if
it wasn't value to get what the No.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Now that's a little bit different because you you have
an idea about the first falgy first fifteen. We're going
to try to run this slant. I want you to
jump this thing on place right. Okay, that's a bad analogy,
but I'm saying, like, you still don't know when it's coming, right,
not knowing what it's coming.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
But if I do know that this is a tendency here,
then I've already got some play.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
I've already got my my defense.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Okay, we're gon we're gonna go, uh you know, tweet
Matt underwrog when all this stuff, so were ready.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
But you know you knew that before you had his
place sheet.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Now, fair, I guess you know what I mean. Okay, Fair,
I guess I just I don't know. I'm one of
those people that's like, I'm such a like a teammate
that like I don't want like, I know, I get
that I.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Would tend to sort of lean that way too, and
be like, hey, we're we're not We're trying to help
ourselves and we're trying to kill everybody else. Yes, I
tell you, I tell you this really quick.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Okay, when I got brought into the Chargers, I walked
in and handed PAGs you know, Pats real Yeah, I
handed Pag my place.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
I handed all the cold words and everything. Yeah. Yeah,
you know what happened that year.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Uh that's seventeen three Broncos December sixth, fifteen.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
So, I mean I don't think that that stuff is
great and all, but I also think it's a bad thing.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Football.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
A lot of it's about reacting to what's presented, right,
and when you have some of these dominant players, coaches
know that in order to win this football game, I
can't allow this person to wreck the game. So you're
paying so much attention to that person. Now Boond's getting
sacks and things like that still, but that's just sure
off of want to athletic ability. I'm just better than
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the guys that you're putting on me.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Absolutely, especially the Jimmies and Joe's. You know when we
go we go back and talk about that. Absolutely, and
I'm wholeheartedly with you, guys.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
I guess just psychologically, I just I don't know. I'm
wired different, and so when I look at them, I'm.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Like, I think you. I think more people than not
would think just like you on this, and I would
lean towards how you you think as well. I'm just
saying I don't think it's a huge advantage if you
find the play chart the night before, right, like.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
The the Broncos did with the Carolina Panthers in the
preseason a few years ago.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
It was when Shanahan is still coaching. Trying to remember, Yeah,
I feel like vaguely remember the left something right rent
it up in the preseats. I don't hope of them
the idea.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
I think the statute of limitation of that has expired
since Mike's start coaching.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah, one of the text lines says, it does say something.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
About Vaughn and Peyton Manning who had the least to
gain by doing this, and that I whole hardly agree.
It does say something about their their desire to enhance
football culture as you were, you were putting out to
grow the game. Those kinds of they said something because
they Don'ty're not going to gain a lot from this,
And I think.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
That's one hundred percent what it is, especially when you
look at like Peyton with the Passing Academy and talking
to like some of these young guys that are in college. Yeah,
they are some of the top guys, but we see
it every single year. You could be, you know, at
the top of mounta Rushmore coming out of college and
still fizzle out, especially at the quarterback position. So I
think it's all about, you know, how do I put
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my stamp on this game? How do I make this
game better for years to come?
Speaker 2 (33:02):
I tend to agree with that, and that is that
is a good point, somebody says Dave Off the current subject.
Do you remember Anthony Butts he played the ninety Super
Bowl lost to the Niners.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
I don't remember that, but Anthony Butts the ninety Super
Bowl loss.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
To the Niners that he played for the Broncos, and
the ninety Super Bowls the Niners.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
The Broncos didn't play the Niners in ninety. They played
them well, I guess it was January of ninety, but
it was. It was the nine season. That was the
that was the last season before I started broadcasting Broncos games.
I remember the name Anthony Butts.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
I'd named vaguely familiar, like I think I remember having
like a Tony Butts card football card back in the day,
but I like, I can't place it.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
I was three, so I'm a medium older.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
So well, apparently he now owns Big Butts Barbecue.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
There you go? Is that is that den establishment?
Speaker 2 (33:55):
I don't know if it's in Denver, but NFL now
where Bronco traditionally the barbecue.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
I'm trying to I'm trying to remember what what what
are you name? It sounds like a yeah, I'm being
told that no, this is not a local establishment. So
what did he play? Ben? I don't I was looking
up the barbecue. I thought he was food. He was
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looks like a defensive lineman. Yeah, so I vaguely remember
the name. I don't. Yeah, I said, I don't remember
the I remember the player.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
He's six three two seventy nine, So okay, that'll uh
that's what that is.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Several text in here.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Oh my god, almost ran off the road listening to this,
referring to Orlando singing hee haw I love it.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Uh you guys trying to get me shot? That was great.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Oh, trying to memorize an eminem rap myself and then
several uh, several people commenting on Old Dominion. Dave came
to Fiddlers Green this past weekend and holy crapt the
women were awesome.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Ah, so this person's into it. Okay, alright, watching discovered
them a couple of years ago. You do like them? Okay?
I think of one of their songs on my my
jogging playlist. We gotta break? Can't we sports be back
after this
What do you get in your mouth?
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Finished up last, but I have a clipbar. I did
not time that minted out the grant. Grant gave me
the one minute warning and I did not time that out.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Then they're done that several several times ones, five, six, six,
nine zeros. The text line is like, swallow that. Uh, guys,
Texas State head of the.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
PAC twelve latest to uh latest to be added to that?
Speaker 1 (00:24):
What was nearly nascent conference?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I guess obviously Colorado State joining the PAC twelve can
Zagga will joined as a non football member.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
UH.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Texas State, but a program kind of on the rise
there in the sun Belts under GJ.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Kenney. I don't know if we're viewing the PAC twelve.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
As a P five conference anymore, but certainly it carries
the weight of that name. It's it's sort of interesting
with all the realignment everything is going on, do conferences
even matter anymore in college football?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
I don't think it matters for not because of all
of that. I think it doesn't really matter because at
the end of the day, a lot of these kids
are all one year mercenaries. For me, I look at
all college football, it's like, Okay, you can start off
in the PAC twelve, end up in the ACC, finish
off at the SEC. Because these kids are going to
try to level up every single year if they have
an opportunity to.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yeah, I would say that it does still matter, but
it matters less unless you are in the SEC or
the Big Ten. Okay, I mean I could, I could
get with that. I think the ACC is a notch below. Yeah,
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three conference so close the Big twelve, I mean, and
in the PAC twelve. I mean Texas State. I'm familiar
with them, uh, just coaching high school football. They've done
a really good job at kind of building that program up.
But I mean, realistically, how excited do you think the
PAC twelve. I mean, if I'm Texas State, I'm going
(01:58):
to be real excited, Yeah, real excited. But I don't
know is the PAC twelve going to be really excited
about adding Texas State? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I mean, obviously they in order to uh issue the invite,
they have to have some some level of excitement, and
I believe that gives them a footprint down there in Texas,
which for media and you know, deals and whatever else.
That's certainly something that you would think would be would
be a positive, but they're not exactly a world beater
conference right now with all the I mean, here's.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
A good question. You have three college football fans in
this room. Name name the PAC twelve current teams. I
can name the current seven plus Texas State. Well, first
of all, are there only seven? Well, so Texas State will.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Vote and they're going to vote on Monday, and that
would be eighth team. Yes, Magazine, there as a non.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Football I told you that. Yes, Washington State, Yes, Boise, Yes,
Boise PAC twelve, San Diego State, Yes, that's five issue
at six six, so we're missing one.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Texas State would be one. Well, gazag is non foot basketball. No,
and no it's not Wyoming is Utah State?
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Mmm? So Wyoming is still in the Mountain West.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yes, Miaoming is still in the Mountain West. Utah State
is the other one. And then obviously, uh, Texas State
will be the eighth football member. Kazaga is a member
of the PAC twelve but not a non football participant.
So yeah, those are those are the and it doesn't
have quite the cachet that the old PAC twelve.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
There's schools, schools. I think there's a step above the
Mountain West and what it was. So the Mountain West
currently would be Wyoming, air Force, air Force and then
you know San Jose State.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Back up right, yeah, air Force, Wyoming, San Jose State.
Who else is in the Mountain westy are they still
in the Mountain West or they're in No? By using
the big twelve, aren't they? I'm not one hundred on that.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Grants like Acrack Research staff is looking at up is
there's so many shuffling around here.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
You go, You've got three guys that actually follow fairly
closely college football and we can't we I mean, this
would have three years ago, this would never have happened.
We could name every school UNLV. Isn't there in the
Mountain West?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
That's air Force, wo Wyoming, San Jose State, Mexico, Nevada, Hawaii.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
By using six twelve, is Idaho in the Mountain West?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
I thought Idaho dropped to deep f CS. Mm, yeah,
they dropped out, Like I said, Paul Patrado was coaching there.
They dropped back to the they dropped back to the
f CS. Crazy so yeah, but anyway, but they realize it,
like is it going forward? And my thought process here
is filtered to the lens of how do we determine
national champion? Are we going to have to have ni
(05:09):
L like salary cap tears for the for the turtlet
you know, like for a for a championship tournament. Are
we gonna have to have like your floor salary cap
is this and and so you get to go to
the you know, the main is that how we determine
this going forward?
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Because it feels like.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Whatever governing wherever governing institution hands the n cua A
hands the reins off to when they eventually.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
You know, think about this. You have the SEC and
the Big ten. Yeah, so who would have.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
I don't like the fact that you don't keep on
mentioned in the ACC.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
So yeah, the SEC, the Big ten in the a
c C. Who would have the ability to say a
fellows listen in in in fairness, we're going to have
to institute an ni L cap on every one of
our member teams in our Who does that? Well, That's
(06:02):
what I'm getting.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
There's got to be some governing body when the n
c double A eventually crumbles, got it all right?
Speaker 1 (06:06):
All right? All right? We got Bill Belichick's girlfriend, Jordan
Jordan Hudson.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Maybe I mean people are going to listen to Bill.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Maybe that's I.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Mean, because there's the halfs and the have nots, and
and if we look at the teams that are in
the tournament as it is, it's the teams.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
That are spending like there, it's the money, That's what
I mean. So so I think it's.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Going to be able to cap it well, but I
don't think it's a top cap. I think it's a floor.
I think you put a floor. And if you're not
spending this much.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
You're not conversation, same question, who can do that?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Whomever the governing body ultimately becomes when the ncub A
crumbles under its own weight at this point.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Yeah, but so let's just let's just say Mountain West teams.
So let's say let's say let's take Air Force out
because they're a service academy. Right, Let's let's take San
Jose State and Nevada. Okay, some governing body is going
to contact the president and athletic director at each of
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those two universities and say, hey, here's we've come up
with this plan, and here's the floor on what you
have to spend. Otherwise, what and what and I mean,
what is what stops the university from sand Really, I
(07:33):
mean so no, because nobody is in charge. Who's in charge? Now?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
That that's the quietness, that's where I'm leading. At the
end of the day. The NCAA is an incredibly ineffective institution.
Uh anymore. I mean it's it's the wild West out
there for atil.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
But I think that you could get I think you
could get coaches on board with that. When you look
at like the Big ten, to ACC and the SEC,
I think those coaches would all be for like a
flora if hey, if you're not spending this type of money.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Happened, what happens to you leave the conference? No?
Speaker 3 (08:06):
No, the college football playoffs, Like, it doesn't matter what
your season was, right, it doesn't matter what what it
was or how that you know you could have a
feat a season. I can't see you're not there.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I can't see any university going for that. I mean
what like between those three big conferences. No, the president
of the AD pushback and say, wait a minute, we
didn't spend that last year and we made it. Well.
I obviously it'd be wrinkles to work out.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
But like the schools that would be the havenots are
still gonna be the have notts anyway, nobody's gonna let
Central Florida. Remember undefeated Central Florida didn't you know, didn't
get their chance even though they did everything they could.
And that was before we had the you know, the
the curtain list, that was the money, that was the.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
TV money thing more than anything else, right.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
But you know, I mean that to me, that's a
team that earned it as much as anyone has ever
earned it. I mean, you can only play who's put
in front of you. If they were easy to go undefeated,
some more more teams that do it none you.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Could end up in a Florida State type of situation
where you are such a great team and Jordan Travis
yep gets hurt and you get embarrassed, right, I mean
you look like a completely different team.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Blues to Georgia y Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
There's all kinds of stuff to this, And I understand
we got to hit a traffic break here a second.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
But there's all kind of stuff this.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
I want to carry this conversation though, because what is
the future of these events?
Speaker 1 (09:20):
What is the future Like, is the NCAA, the n
i T and all that kind of stuff going to
be segregated by salary caps. Once we find an institution
for this weird.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Talk about the nil before we before it break there,
and there's got to be some sort of change to
the structure of how they do things, because you're right,
the players are it is a mercenary environment, and these
one year deals encourage that. They encourage you to drop
off the team that you're on and rebid your services
to the next which I'm not complaining about guys secure
in the bag, But at the same time, there's there's
(09:49):
just no way to be able to handle all this
stuff as it goes. Is this process the best way
to be doing things.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
I don't know. We have text from the nine to
seven oh that says so in your scenario, Alabama buys
their way into the playoffs every year even if they
lose four games to Pack twelve or wine.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
But if you don't have a if you're not spending
a certain amount of money, and you're one of these
smaller tier schools, if you go undefeated, you're a smaller
tear school, you're probably gonna most likely get like embarrassed
out there when you go against one of these SEC
or Pac ten or Big ten or s or ACC schools.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yeah, I think they should scrap the conferences all together
and go with regional affiliation. And then you know, if
you're in the Southwest or you know whatever, that helps
cut down on expenses for schools because you're not traveling
as far. And then from there you turn around, you
put a salary cap floor into you know, this is
region Tier A, this is the salary cap floor, and
this is what you've got to be to be in there.
And if you're in the A, you're invited to the
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big tournament and you're not, you're invited like the n
I t You know.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
So how many how many teams would be actually in
Tier A, Well, you'd.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Have to figure that out. Like that's one of those
things where you know, you set the floor. You set
the floor for each sport or whatever it is. If
you're gonna spend if you're gonna be get zag, obviously
you're gonna spend more in basketball, probably not in football
since you're not a football.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
So if you think back and they've expanded it this year,
but if if you think back to last year, aside
from the fact that they want to they now want
to change some of the some of the first round
home teams, right and like Boise got to buy and
then got directly in and the and played who Penn State. Yep.
(11:36):
So if you're not careful, though, you're gonna you're gonna
completely eliminate the opportunity for that one team in that
one special year that they put together. Now, could they
do it, you know and play in the SEC in
a regular basis, No, But that one year they put together,
(11:58):
you're gonna eliminate that possibility really of them ever ever
getting a chance to go to the College Football Playoffs.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
But I think when you look at teams, like you
look at a Boise team, that's a team that historically,
like I remember since like Ryan Clady was there right
back in like the mid two thousands when they beat
Oklahoma right and like, they have been a team that, yeah,
they might have never had everything ready to go each
and every year, but they are actively.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Trying to compete.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
I agree some of these schools they're just hanging out
like like, hey, we're going to go We're going to
go do something else. I think bottom line for me
Fellas what's happening right now, it is going to be
a train wreck. It's going to end up being a disaster.
These kids are saying how I mean how so because
these kids are saying, hey, I'm going to the highest
bidder no matter what.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
You're already eliminating those magical seasons because everybody's going to the.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
High better well, and to me, those are two different.
I completely agree with that.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
No, but also, like you look at like bowl games
and stuff, these kids don't care about bowl games, right,
Like I remember, like that mattered to me game playing
against Notre Dame. My head coach had got fired, but
I got to play for my offensive line coach because
he became the interim head coach. And this is where
it becomes a train wreck for me, because what happens
when the NFL goes to eighteen games? What are the
(13:14):
veterans going to vote on? They're going to want less
time in those facilities. It's not thinking about the rookies
and the younger kids that need to get developing stuff
like that.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
So now it's almost like.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
If you are not NFL already coming out of college,
you're never going to have that opportunity in an NFL.
So guys like Chris Harris Junior, where do you find
that from a Shaq Barrett? Where do you find those
magical stories and those magical careers from when you're doing
the way that we're doing it right now.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
So that's for me, that's why it has to change.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
The Other part of this is like, because it's year
over year and rebib, you get situations where, if you
do have any sort of magic to it, the key
or the impetus, the player who's keying that in college football.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Is going somewhere is going to one of the haves
the next season. Yeah, I don't disagree with that. I
think they may. We were talking about the nil and
the contracts the players are going to be required to
sign with their universities. I mean they may have them
where it's going to be more than more than two
more than a year. You got to sign a two
(14:16):
year deal, so I know, or maybe you got to
sign a three year deal. Now, the risk of that
is some players will not want to do that, and
maybe you don't get them where you normally would get
them in a smaller school. But even a two year deal, right,
that would stop the I'm here one year, I'm here,
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the next year, I'm over here. The third year. Uh,
And it's all money driven and I don't see any
way right now that anybody has the ability to sort
of get a hold of this thing and say, okay,
wait a minute, we're going to change this and this
and tweak that, and by doing those things, we're going
to stop some of this player migration.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
It also benefit the player because with these one year
deals right now, a lot of these kids they don't
know if they want to go into portal. But it's
the you know what you do money, it's the it's
the pastor, it's the it's the mom's friend, it's it's
the high school coach, or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Where we've heard this and if you.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Jump into portal like this team's willing to give you
this and I'm going to jump into portal and there
is no offer, so, you know, allow them to really
focus in on their sports as well when you go
to multi year deals instead of the one year deal
that we're seeing right now.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I just think the height of ridiculousness was this past season.
I was looking at a player who was getting ready
to transfer yet again. He was announcing his transfer I believe,
from usc UH and in his photo announcing that he
was no, he's moving from Penn State. So he was
he had a picture of himself at Georgia transferring from
Penn State to USC and I'm like, what do we
what are.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
We even doing here? You know this is this is
ridiculous to me.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
I just can't think that the model with one year
deals is sustainable going for I agree, So I agree, Kay,
sports will be.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
I could I can picture you karaoke that I could
see that.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
That's one of my that Miley Cyrus call call him
good Lord us.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
A party in the USA. I need video of that. Somewhere.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
There's video of myself and Ryan Harris doing a wagon
wheel at a celebrity of a charity event that Kathy
Lee had us come out to.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Okay, so somewhere there's video of that. I can find
that out there. Yeah, there's worst video be out there.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
So karaoke is one of the best bath time I joy.
It just doesn't matter. You go up there, you make
a fool out of yourself and everybody's laughing, everybody's having
a great time.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Yeah you have to go to karaoke song me.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Yeah, I didn't here it would it would it would
be something out of the R and B genre.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
I would not be worth a darn in the country field.
Although I will say this, like one of one of
the times we went with a group of people to
Vegas and they had they had tickets to George Straight
and honestly fellas I'm thinking, what the hell am I
going to do at George Straight concert? But it was
(17:08):
nice enough, the group got great seats. I went absolutely outstanding.
Then the next time at Tahoe saw like Old Dominion, Okay,
love made Old Dominion. Absolutely can get with them too,
So you know what, you got to be open minded.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Well, I enjoy going to country shows less for the
music and more for the scene. Ring dude, you know,
but I still I've enjoyed myself so R and B
on the karaoke stuff too, which you know, for the
crowd that I'm usually singing to, they're like, oh, you know,
like it's it's a It's one of those kind of moments.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
So and that's why I do what I do as well.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Imagine that six seven pound African American yeah Brooks Brooks, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Yeah, we got the boots and stuff like that, but
not not the hat. Never been really big on the hats.
But or even just like I hopped out the plane
at L A X, my God.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
There we go. I knew not.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
It's the funniest thing too, because like you with the
Miley Cyrus and then Fergus all the about the Taylor Swift,
I'm like, that's.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Your karaoke song.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Like Taylor Swift got huge Shania Twain and Taylor Swift fan.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
I like Shania Twain. Yeah, Like, I just don't know.
I mean, I I just don't know enough of Taylor
Swift's music to like her or not like her. I don't.
I don't dislike her because she's with Travis Kelcey and all.
I mean, there's some hate on her just from that. Yeah. Well,
speaking of what, she hopped on stage in Nashville at.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
The tight End University doing the collge you see that,
doing the impromptu concert and Travis Kelsey's tight End University thing. Yeah,
she got on stage and like did a little impromptu
concert thing, and people are, you know, wondering if that's
becoming more an event they're.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Still finally giving back to the game of football.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Well, because when that situation first started, we were like
the third game after that was like a public thing.
It was out here in Denver, and there was this
whole big to do about whether or.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Not she was gonna come out here, remember that.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
And they had to put special If we're going to
put special security in, woud up not coming. But it
was the first game she had missed since that became public.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
And but it was a thing like they were like.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah, we're gonna have to block off this area and
you're not gonna be allowed to do you know, all
this kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
You have the kidney like.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Wow, get in the sprint event, pull up underneath the
stadium and no more added security needed.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
You have your own security. Well they I mean there's
not a ton of security. When you go to the suites,
there's not a ton of security.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I mean you get the people there at the you know,
checking your your pads, you get beyond that rope, there's
like there's not much there.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Yeah, But I mean if she would put a ad
on and walk towards she was.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Still everybody would know she is. But I think that
that's what it is.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
If you have the entourage around, you have a lot
of people are like who's that, who's that, and then
they're like, oh, that's teller.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yeah. But if you if she honestly, if she went
to a game without any entourage. I mean she she
would have a hard time. I mean there'd be countless
people would want pictures and autographs. I mean, she'd be swore.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
She couldn't sit in a stamps so she could not
sit in the stand. She'd have to get a sweep.
But even then there would still be you know, there
would still be a swarm of people at the entrance
is trying to get a photo or an autograph or
whatever else.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
You'd be one of them. Me, I'm not an autograph person.
You're a Taylor Swift guy.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
She could be a Benjamin all Bright girl she wanted
to be. Yeah, I'm just saying, you know, Travis Kelcey short, yeah,
short hand buck fifty ye.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
We all got twenty minutes, guys. So I'm not sure
of all the efficiencies. I haven't compared to Travis Kelcey.
But yeah, these things have turned into a vents.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Von Miller's not signed by anybody, but they're doing the
sack deals, the Sack camp or whatever, and.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Travis Kelcey's tight End Universe.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
These are becoming media events now and Von kind of
kicked off the trend with the with the Sack camp.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Yeah, I remember when he was talking about it, and
I thought it was going to be one of the
coolest things in the world, because you know, he had
already had a previous relationship with DeMarcus Ware and now
you have Elvis Doomerville that's already here. And you know,
Vaughn had the year that he had already in the
National Football League, our rookie year in twenty eleven. And
now you can see that thing evolved. But wasn't the
(21:26):
How long has the man in passing Academy been around?
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Oh, that's been around a minute.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Yeah, that was started when I think Peyton was in
his first or second second year.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Eli, I was still in college when the thing got started.
I'm not so sure. I see, I thought maybe Peyton
was still at Tennessee. It might have been.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
He was still at Tennessee. Yeah, Peyton was two years
left at Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
That's right, guy. I knew Eli was not in the
league when the thing got started. Yeah. But you know
what the cool thing about it is, though, really, and
I don't know when it became this way, but I
like it. It used to be in the era of
social media, there are a lot more people that are
able to communicate with people that normally, you know, before
(22:15):
social media and what have you, you just didn't get
a chance to do it. But there in the offseason,
back in the day, like in the NFL, you weren't
sharing secrets with anybody. You weren't going to camp learning.
I mean, you weren't working with this guy who played
for the Steelers. It's like no, And now you've got
(22:37):
guys that are willing to say, hey man, here's the
way I do two or three things. Let's work on
these things over the next two or three days and
let me see if I can help you get better.
I like that about our game.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
And it makes the game just evolved, and I promise
you have that doesn't start happening. The Broncos don't win
Super Bowl fifty because one of the key components that
a lot of people don't ever talk about is what
we all know the player that the mark is where
was We know what he brought to a football field
from just your visual cues of it, but what he
(23:12):
brought to the Broncos as an organization, it was now
we battled each other every single day, and if we
lost a battle and we gave a key or a tip,
he would talk about it, and I say that I
remember it like it was yesterday. We break the huddle,
I jog up to the line and we're running power
and I'm at left guard and dware is at the
(23:33):
end of the line of Scrimtiny's standing up and he's
looking and he's like, hey, y'all, oh's light. He's pulling.
He's pulling, y'all. Hey, Todd Davis, he's coming for you
to the backside linebacker. And I'm just trying to keep
a straight face. But I am defeated in that moment
because I am pulling and I pulled around the corner
and Todd's able to blow it up. And I went
right to Dwaar and I said, how did you know?
(23:57):
And he told me, And then our whole team starts
doing that now and talking to each other when we
were given like certain keys as far as what we
were doing, and it really made us dial in now
and we gave no tells moving forward.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Now.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
See.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
I think that's great from that perspective, the intra team
dynamic as far as that goes. But then you talk
about like for instance, Vaughan's you know, sack camp or whatever,
and you're.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Given tips to Max Crosby. But everybody can't do what
von Miller does though. That's why.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
I mean, nobody's will run under a table at full speed,
you know, and had the bend that Vod has.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
But what I'm saying is you're tipping off guys. You're
tipping off guys around the league.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Corp gonna take that back to their offensive and defensive
coordinators and say, this is what this guy does.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
These are the things that he's doing. Like things like
that have I agree with you, but things like that
have been going on like in the NBA forever, right,
I mean with with camps in the off season and
guys who wanted to go out and work with Michael
and work with Kobe, and I just think it's it's great.
And as Oe said, you know, Von can teach a
(24:52):
young pass rusher two or three things, maybe a couple
of things that could really really help him, but that
guy still has to go out and perform them. Right.
It's it's it's him refining, like little things like what
Orlando said about DeMarcus Ware being able to look down
the line of scrimmage, maybe look at the hand that
(25:13):
those got down the ground.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
You said it was my back foot whenever I was
pulled in my back left foot, instead of being it straight,
it would like just bend a little bit out.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
More little things like that, right. But yeah, and Ben's
right too, because that he's working with the teammate, trying
to help the team get better. So I understand I
understand sort of the logic from some people that would say, well,
why would Vaughn why would we want him to help
Max Crosby or some of or you know, some of
the great pass rushers. I think it's just a way
to continue to help grow our game, right, to help
(25:46):
some of these young dudes, because sooner or later Bond's
not going to be playing anymore. And then Max Crosby
maybe he picked up a couple of things from Vond
and maybe he can help Nick, Benito and you. That's
just how you grow the game.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
I remember Dave Magazine was like, look at Clady, look
a look at look at Clayton.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
I want you to do it like this. I was like,
I've never looked like that and my life, I look
like I'm gonna blow a hamstring out. Clay was pretty So,
I mean, you could.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Teach a person anything, right, I mean, but for them
to be able to implement its.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Yeah, if I could go to the camp, Von could
show me what he does. Not in a billion years
am I ever going to replicate any of it.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
But like my I yes, I'm just wired different because
I'm like I'm wired like and let's take football out
of it.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Let's talk broadcasting for a second.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
I oh, my, help some young buck if he's you know,
he's coming up and wants to learn how to do
something whatever and that kind of stuff. But I'm also
not going to teach him all my secret because I
don't want to take my job.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Well, like what I mean seriously, what like what secret
would you be hesitant to tell a young guy?
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Uh, let's just say, okay, I'll pick something randoms like
social media. Right, I have the largest social media following
in Denver sports by far.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
It's right.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
I'm not gonna tell people how I did that. I'm
not gonna tell I'm not gonna go out there and
tell people how I did that.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
No, I get that. I mean, I can understand your
point on that, but it's a little bit different in
terms of a media person really growing his social or
her social media numbers as opposed to one of the
elite pass rushers. You know what I mean, there's a
(27:22):
lot of people that would want and I think, listen,
even if you did, they still have to be able
to be in the right place the right time. They
have to have a certain amount of talent. They got
to have an ability to communicate. They you know, there's
a lot of things they would have to do in
order to take your job.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
But if I'm an attendee at one of these camps,
let's say I'm Max Crosby for a minute, von Miller's
doing this and he's still with the Broncus, he's doing
this stuff. You know what I'm doing is I'm running
back to Pete Carroll. Hey, here's how von Miller does
all his stuff. Now, can we work up something to
you know, here's his tells, here's his tips.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
But here's the thing though, it's not giving you tails
or tips.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
And Vond's already one of those outphas.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
He's already awarred that he right, So Pete Carroll should
be saying, Okay, how do we get too on this guy?
Every single time? Are we chipping with the tight end?
Are we're coming out of the backfield? Are we slid
into protection to him, right. So some of it is
just not being an idiot when you're a coach, right,
understanding what a guy is and what a guy's not.
And here's what I sit there and tell him whatever
you want.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Here's what I would think about football if you had
if you had Sean mcvay's play called Charts, and you
were playing the rams and they left it somewhere, and
you had it the night before the game. Now there
are others that would disagree with my point, but I
(28:41):
would say the benefit of you actually having that sheet
and being able to look at the sheet would be
minimal because number one, you might know some of the terminology.
Maybe it's similar to what you run, right, you might
know that, hey, on third down and medium, these are
the seven plays that he's gonna call right on third
down and eight plus, here's what he likes on on
(29:03):
red zone, here's the here's the four runs and four passes.
You you would have all that, but you wouldn't know
when that was going to be called. And the game
is too fast and sidelined. And so back to your
point about von Miller with Max Crosby, going back to
Pete Carroll saying, here's what he likes. That would be good,
and maybe Pete Carroll would make his offensive line coach
(29:25):
aware of that and the tackles and we play him
here's what he's gonna do. But when you get into
that type speed and action, all that goes out the window.
I mean, it's still execution. I agree with your point.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
I'm just playing the devil's advocate a little bit here,
because you know, the game of football is a margins
game in a lot of ways, and every little edge
I would have been out there videotape and practices if
it wasn't value to get what the No.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Now that's a little bit different because you you have
an idea about the first falgy first fifteen. We're going
to try to run this slant. I want you to
jump this thing on place right. Okay, that's a bad analogy,
but I'm saying, like, you still don't know when it's coming, right,
not knowing what it's coming.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
But if I do know that this is a tendency here,
then I've already got some play.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
I've already got my my defense.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Okay, we're gon we're gonna go, uh you know, tweet
Matt underwrog when all this stuff, so were ready.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
But you know you knew that before you had his
place sheet.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Now, fair, I guess you know what I mean. Okay, Fair,
I guess I just I don't know. I'm one of
those people that's like, I'm such a like a teammate
that like I don't want like, I know, I get
that I.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Would tend to sort of lean that way too, and
be like, hey, we're we're not We're trying to help
ourselves and we're trying to kill everybody else. Yes, I
tell you, I tell you this really quick.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Okay, when I got brought into the Chargers, I walked
in and handed PAGs you know, Pats real Yeah, I
handed Pag my place.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
I handed all the cold words and everything. Yeah. Yeah,
you know what happened that year.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Uh that's seventeen three Broncos December sixth, fifteen.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
So, I mean I don't think that that stuff is
great and all, but I also think it's a bad thing.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Football.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
A lot of it's about reacting to what's presented, right,
and when you have some of these dominant players, coaches
know that in order to win this football game, I
can't allow this person to wreck the game. So you're
paying so much attention to that person. Now Boond's getting
sacks and things like that still, but that's just sure
off of want to athletic ability. I'm just better than
(31:26):
the guys that you're putting on me.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Absolutely, especially the Jimmies and Joe's. You know when we
go we go back and talk about that. Absolutely, and
I'm wholeheartedly with you, guys.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
I guess just psychologically, I just I don't know. I'm
wired different, and so when I look at them, I'm.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Like, I think you. I think more people than not
would think just like you on this, and I would
lean towards how you you think as well. I'm just
saying I don't think it's a huge advantage if you
find the play chart the night before, right, like.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
The the Broncos did with the Carolina Panthers in the
preseason a few years ago.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
It was when Shanahan is still coaching. Trying to remember, Yeah,
I feel like vaguely remember the left something right rent
it up in the preseats. I don't hope of them
the idea.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
I think the statute of limitation of that has expired
since Mike's start coaching.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah, one of the text lines says, it does say something.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
About Vaughn and Peyton Manning who had the least to
gain by doing this, and that I whole hardly agree.
It does say something about their their desire to enhance
football culture as you were, you were putting out to
grow the game. Those kinds of they said something because
they Don'ty're not going to gain a lot from this,
And I think.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
That's one hundred percent what it is, especially when you
look at like Peyton with the Passing Academy and talking
to like some of these young guys that are in college. Yeah,
they are some of the top guys, but we see
it every single year. You could be, you know, at
the top of mounta Rushmore coming out of college and
still fizzle out, especially at the quarterback position. So I
think it's all about, you know, how do I put
(32:58):
my stamp on this game? How do I make this
game better for years to come?
Speaker 2 (33:02):
I tend to agree with that, and that is that
is a good point, somebody says Dave Off the current subject.
Do you remember Anthony Butts he played the ninety Super
Bowl lost to the Niners.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
I don't remember that, but Anthony Butts the ninety Super
Bowl loss.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
To the Niners that he played for the Broncos, and
the ninety Super Bowls the Niners.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
The Broncos didn't play the Niners in ninety. They played
them well, I guess it was January of ninety, but
it was. It was the nine season. That was the
that was the last season before I started broadcasting Broncos games.
I remember the name Anthony Butts.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
I'd named vaguely familiar, like I think I remember having
like a Tony Butts card football card back in the day,
but I like, I can't place it.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
I was three, so I'm a medium older.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
So well, apparently he now owns Big Butts Barbecue.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
There you go? Is that is that den establishment?
Speaker 2 (33:55):
I don't know if it's in Denver, but NFL now
where Bronco traditionally the barbecue.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
I'm trying to I'm trying to remember what what what
are you name? It sounds like a yeah, I'm being
told that no, this is not a local establishment. So
what did he play? Ben? I don't I was looking
up the barbecue. I thought he was food. He was
(34:27):
looks like a defensive lineman. Yeah, so I vaguely remember
the name. I don't. Yeah, I said, I don't remember
the I remember the player.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
He's six three two seventy nine, So okay, that'll uh
that's what that is.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Several text in here.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Oh my god, almost ran off the road listening to this,
referring to Orlando singing hee haw I love it.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Uh you guys trying to get me shot? That was great.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Oh, trying to memorize an eminem rap myself and then
several uh, several people commenting on Old Dominion. Dave came
to Fiddlers Green this past weekend and holy crapt the
women were awesome.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Ah, so this person's into it. Okay, alright, watching discovered
them a couple of years ago. You do like them? Okay?
I think of one of their songs on my my
jogging playlist. We gotta break? Can't we sports be back
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