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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wednesday, everybody dig logan right, Edward Shelby hairs back in
studio with us.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
What's up shell Man?
Speaker 3 (00:06):
Not much, just you know, hanging around watching the softball.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
This Yes, you got a little glow to you. What's
going on?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Yeah? You know, my oldest daughter is doing no hitter today.
It's a sparkler. If anyone knows what the sparkler is,
it's a it's a huge softball tournament and in Colorado
that you have a lot of other teams from other
states that come out. And so even though she she
had a couple of walks, but that's what her no
hitter is, no hits baby, So you know we're proud
of that one.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Okay, heng on a second here, because it's certainly the.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Compliment up front. That's great.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
But I hope you and again, professional athlete, maybe it's
a little bit different. You're not gonna be like, hey,
great job baby, Listen, a couple walks today, four walks today, specifically,
and not your best work.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I love his strikeouts though, damn yeah, I love his
strikeouts and four walks A no hitter, no.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Hitter today, Yes she did, but you're not gonna give
her a hard time with the walks right.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
After after we talk about, you know, after we talk about,
you know, how good of a game she did, and
she's gonna be like, you know, we always go through
like you know, what did you do well? What do
you feel like you need to work on? And I
noticed she's going to say she needs to work on
the throwing throwing strikes. But like, that's the thing, you though,
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it's it's a great it's a great thing. And yeah,
I am hard on on my kids athletically, but she,
you know, she'll get her. She got she's getting shout
out right.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Now, Okay, that's right. What's up, Dave? How are you hey?
Fellas that's a that's a big deal. Yeah, four walks, four.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Walks, But no, at the end of the day, it's
for me when it comes to softball, when it comes
to pitching, and even baseball and pitching, it's how you
respond after the walk, you know what I mean? That
that's that's the that's the key, because you're out there
by yourself and you got to get back to your
mechanics and you got to figure out what went wrong
in that that and you've got to fix it on
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the fly. And so that shows you know the maturity
of an athlete.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Absolutely, Dave, my friend is good to see you. I
was a son is ninety degrees out.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Yeah, today was Today was a tester for our bunch.
Lots of lots of water breaks and but you know what,
you got to find ways. I mean that this is
for for any I mean any high school coach. You
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guys have to find ways to embrace the process and
to deal with it and because it's going to help
them put them in the best position when the fall
rolls around. If it were easy, then you wouldn't do
anything until school started. You'd be sitting by a pool
right now and watching some sixteen year old sophomore that
you had science class with jump off the high boarded
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what was her name?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Again?
Speaker 4 (02:58):
So I've got a lot of inspect for guys to
come out and want to work the way these guys work,
because it is I mean, it is.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Work, no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
We had a conversation right before you came in about
athletes that film themselves in the off season their workouts.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
And Russell Wilson, Well, I'm not calling out anybody by name.
I just said Russell did that. I didn't do that. Yeah,
I mean he's not the only one to do it.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
It's definitely a growing trend. It's a growing trend where
I haven't seen your workout video. Where is your video?
It's crazy how I'm slimming down and I haven't posted
a workout video yet.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
What is going on with the world? Well, how do
we know that you're working out if you don't want
a video? And that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
And what's the craziest part about it is and I've
heard this before, and it's the dumbest thing I've heard
that one of the dumbest things I've heard. Some of
these teams actually don't believe you're working out unless you
post it. I swear to you, Like some of these
teams in the NFL do not believe you're working out
unless you post. Unless you post it. Wow, And it's
some of the it's the crazy the thing in the
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world to be because it's like, well, when did really
posting workouts become a mandatory thing that we have to
because I don't. I've never been a guy that wants
to work out with a camera or anything like that
because I'm grinding. I could care less about the camera.
I'm just trying to get the work done so I
can go on the rest of my day. But you know,
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it's this new era now where everyone feels like they
have to post everything on social media. I'm big on
keeping myself at least some privacy. I'm not even talking
about the work, but I'm like some type of privacy
in my life. I don't want to post everything on
social media. I don't have to tell everyone where I
work out.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
I like talk show host. There's a different generation of
talk show host. I mean some like to post like
every single thing they do, and there's others that maybe
don't do that.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Are you trying to point out anything specific here?
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Not. Since I've known you, I stopped posting pictures of
my food.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
I think that's something important. Wow, I wouldn't know that.
It's first the first that's crazy. I wouldn't know that.
But I will check your timeline as soon as we
get out of the segment. Absolutely, would you have been
and I or anything?
Speaker 1 (05:14):
I know that is, would you have filmed yourself working
out in the off season if that was a thing
back in the.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Like, hell to the no, No, I know.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
It doesn't make What does that prove me working on
in silence and me working on in front of the camera.
I'm I guess I'll get the same thing done, but
it just does nothing for me.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
And my workouts honestly were a lot of basketball, I
believe it, or not quite a bit of long distance running,
which I'm not sure any NFL wide receivers or long
distance runners in the off season now, because I mean
things things have changed and their workout routines different and
it's a lot better in terms of how they get
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how they get themselves ready for camp.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
But no, no, on the text line, I'm a cyclist
and record all my rides on Strava.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
If it wasn't record on Strava, it didn't happen. Mike
from Iowa. So Mike, let us just jump in here.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
What I'm asking, honestly for a friend, what's the purpose
of recording every one of your workouts? I mean you
go back and and critique, critique to work out. I'm
dead serious, like literally not at all. It's really it's
the consensus about it is. It's really just about showing
social media cyclist, look.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
He's ready.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
So you're you're not going out there and saying wow,
you know, I gotta work with my technique or anything.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
This is more of like, hey, I'm back in the lab.
This is the grind.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Oh I'm not gonna lie you listening. You say I'm
back in the lab.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Who do you think of come back season?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Oh no, it's like Dex was upber.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
I just say these are the popular, you know, buzzwords
when it comes to.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Back in the Lab, and I'm just like, gosh, you know,
I instantly just swipe over those.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
I'm like, I don't care.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
I wanted to ask that if your if your players
do that, if they if they like send out social
media clips to themselves are working out so that you
know they were.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
With the Dave Logan, head coach to Terry Creek High School.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
The kids are working out. Listen, I'm going to end
all this nonsense right now. If they do, I wouldn't
know because purposely I stay for the most part off
social media. Now here's what I will If one of
them posts something that they shouldn't be posting. Best believe
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I'm going to get that. I'm gonna have there. There
will be somebody or somebody's that send me the screenshot
that and say hey, this came from number, what number, well,
then number whatever number is fixing to get a text.
You know, I media, that's just but that's just growing
up and trying to teach them right from wrong. And
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what I do tell them is is this a you guys,
you be careful and mindful of your social media because
you would be surprised how many.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
College coaches.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
I mean, we had seventy five college different colleges come
through this spring, and I bet I had thirty specific
conversations with a college coach about social media, about we
check every single thing that's very important a prospect has posted.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I said, how far do you go back? And I
was told forever.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
So word of the wise for parents, I mean doesn't
have to be football parents could be volleyball parents, could
be softball payers and whatever. Just make sure your sons
and daughters and coaches too. Make sure your athletes know
what I mean. What you post on social media is
there for anybody to see, and they are looking for
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things that maybe they don't like.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
And you know what a lot of people don't get
those is because when you meet a person, you know
in person, when you meet somebody in person, you can
put on this facade of who you really are. But
the idea is that you know, you're posting what you
want to online. This is who you really are online.
Even if it's you know, you can claim it's a joke.
You can claim it's you know, I wasn't really being serious.
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But that's how these recruiters are going to get an
idea of who you really are. That's true because that
they only have limited amount of time with you in person,
so they all they can do is look on your
social media and see if you are a fit from
what you post, because that's a majority of what they're
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going to find out about you.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
It was online this text here on the ka Comma
Spirit Health text line five six six nine zero.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
My camera role consists of all the best poutine I
have had in my life? Is that right?
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Apparently it's special. I mean you even said you you
finally found it on one menu?
Speaker 2 (10:16):
What's that poutine? Remember you said?
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Yeah, yeah, sorry, yeah, I found that found it on
the menu on Sunday. That's right, Yeah, right, I sure did,
Sure it did. And I had friends that used to
they used to have pictures of all the poutine they
had in their life.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Really yeah, I mean polaroids. But still they have like
a scrapbook or something, well sort of yeah, kind of
a wall. Oh my gosh, nobody out there that way.
You just kidding.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
I just never I just never heard the word poutin
poutine before, and I certainly have never pop at it.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
I'm actually supposed to maybe go to Canada next next weekend.
Really yeah, because now they have a softball tournament. So
they have this softball tournament here this week, and then
next week they have a softball tournament in Canada. Obviously
I have to stay here during the week to train,
so then I might go on like Thursday night, try
to fly up there and just do it like that.
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But I should be in Canada next week.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Hopefully your daughter can cut down on the walks.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Yeah, man, Like, what's wrong with her? I hope everyone
knows that was a joke, that was right. I was
still very happy.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Man, I listen, I'll be honest.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Before we came on the he was like, for what
is going.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
On with her? I have to make sure I threw
the eleven strikeouts in there.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
I know, I know, I know. Well.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Anyways, a lot of fun today. We're gonna get to
a really good conversations, good Texico. By the way, Mike
from Iowa says, it records the biometrics on how I
did on my ride, how much power, average heart rate,
high heart rates, how many calories burned.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
It's a tool. Okay, all right, that makes sense first
then yeah, yeah, very cool.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
So I was thinking about this early todays there's listening
to Brian Windhorst talk about the Nuggets and what they've
done here in the off season. And boy, I tell you,
the national coverage is fascinating because here locally, we're pretty
excited about what the Nuggets have done so far, right,
but Brian windhors is out there talking about how the
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Nuggets might have screwed this thing up.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
You know why.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
You know why because Kronky opened that with opened that door,
because you open that door mentioning last week, literally mentioning
the idea of Joker leaving. Now ever since then, every
day I've seen the media saying something about Joker leaving.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
And this is another example of like, wow, that twenty
thirty two pick that that's gonna hang your joker. It's
really good stuff here.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
But the reason, and this is polarizing, is that a
lot of people think that that this is not going
to really help them. When I say people I'm talking
about like rival executives. So like they say, it's if
you want to ever have a dream of prying Nikola
Jokic out of Denver, you've got to be happy that
they use their prime last you know, big trade chip,
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which Bontemp's reference to the two thousand and thirty two
pick in in a money in a money pump move.
Like I had somebody say to me, if you're if
you're the Lakers, you'd love seeing that because that means
that you're not helping Yokich with like a bona fide star.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Okay, once ago, I'm jumping in here, and I like
Brian Winhurst. I think he's a guy. I mean, I
think he does a good job. He's he's not given
to hyperbole. You got to be stuck on stupid?
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Well are you? I mean, seriously you want you?
Speaker 4 (13:53):
I mean, I'm not saying he didn't get a text
from you know, a front office type per in the
league that may have said that, but that's that's leading
him to say exactly what he did. How old will
Nikola Jokic be in twenty thirty two? A Lakers thirty
seven years old, and you mean to tell me because
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they used that draft choice. They gave that up at
age thirty seven. Now, he Jokic that's eight years from now.
Would say, huh, this must mean that they're not trying
to win right now, So damn it, I want to
think about leaving and go. Even you guys in the
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media on ESPN can't possibly believe that that, literally is.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
One of the top ten dumbest.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
Takes I've heard in the last I don't know year,
literally from a guy who I really enjoy and I
think he's really a smart guy.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
What the actual hell? Yeah, and you work with me?
Good lord? No, it just doesn't make any sense. But
I I kind of old what I what.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
I kind of believed what he was trying to say,
but he kind of misspoke a little bit, was that
that was their last trade bit that they had in
order to gain another Superstar if they wanted to trade
for another Superstars, because that was because you know, every year,
you know you can Superstar? Are you getting for the
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thirty thirty two? That's what they're trying to claim. But
it's the dumbest thing, you know, It's stupid it's just
it's it's another way, just like because you know they're
gonna be They've been talking about Gianni's all off season
now since you know, Cocky said that. Now they can
switch and talk about somebody else. Now it's just a
dozen way to play the what if game. Oh well, you.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Know I would roll my eyes if I were on
the set with Brian Windhurst, Like, bro, really, seriously, do
you want me to jump in and save you from
complete lately taking so much water on that you sink?
Or do you want me just to lay out and
you battle and try to move.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Your hands if that's as you can, and stay afloat
until you don't think that.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
That's just an incredibly dumb take.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
It's almost as bad as the Steven A. Smith calling
Anison underachiever if he doesn't do anything else in his
career but that.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
But see, that take is just to have what we're
doing right now, just say Steve and A. I can't believe.
I don't even I'm not even sure he actually believes that.
Brian Winhorst is the guy that says stuff because he
believes it to be true.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Yeah, it doesn't make any sense at all. It doesn't
make any sense at all. But once again, I don't
blame them for even going through these scenarios anymore. We
open that can of worms and so are you going
to get that every day into the season. Now they're
gonna be like, oh, does Nicola Oakus want to leave Denver?
That's that's what his story is. The first front draft
choice was in twenty seven.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Okay, I still don't necessarily think it would affect Nicola,
But then I would say, Okay.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
I could. I could see that.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
I could see them connecting the dots, even though I
think that still would be a reach from my perspective,
but I could see it. We're talking about a first
round pick that literally is eight NBA seasons away. Now,
don't get you're gonna be thirty seven years. I hope
he's still playing. What if you had If you had
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one thousand dollars of your hard earned money and you
get to place it on red or black? Red is
Nikola Okicic's still playing in the NBA at thirty seven?
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Black is He's riding.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Little bitty ass horses in Serbia and enjoying his life.
Which one would you bet?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Ryan? I'd probably have better luck betting on the horses
he's riding.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
I hope I'm wrong. I would bet on the little
Bitts horses as well. Yeah, not a thirty seven, I
mean yeah, because.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Lebron James is the anomaly.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Like it's some similar conversation we have with like Aaron
Rodgers and Tom Brady playing into their forties.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
That's that's anomaly like that, that's not typical. And NICOLEA.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Jokic, by all accounts, and again it's not he's going
to talk about it openly right now, is not trying
to pattern his career after Lebron James, And hey, I
want to play into my forties.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Play kids can play. He plays like three years from now.
I hope he that's the goal.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Because when you've accomplished everything in your career that you
possibly could, you know, multiple MVP NBA championship. Once you
do that and you know you have a family, you
know you're happy outside of basketball, and you.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Get a hundred million dollars in the bank, there's nothing.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
There's nothing that's going to keep him keep playing over
and over again because eventually you keep asking how much
money is enough?
Speaker 2 (18:56):
See, I like Lebron.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Jokic, he he doesn't have to have his name mentioned
every day on ESPN or in the national media or
even local media.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
He doesn't have to have it.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
I think the guy is completely comfortable in his own skin,
and he knows exactly what he's going to do. And
when he has accomplished enough and his family starts to
grow whatever, you know, I fear he's going to opt
out much sooner than later. I hope, I hope he plays,
you know, until he's completely done playing.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
But but I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Lebron James has been a headline over over the last
twenty three twenty three years, almost twenty four years. Yep,
He's been the number one talked about sportsperson pretty much
over the last twenty one years, twenty twenty one plus years.
So that's that's why I believe, No, we have this
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such Lebron addiction on on on TV because frankly, they
ran out of stuff to talk about den be honest,
because Lebron was the headline before there really was this
whole idea of twenty four hour sports. Before it was
always like we got to break the news at any time.
And so that's why I feel like we have to
find something to talk about Lebron. Well, now Lebron's you know, supposedly,
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I supposed it might be his last year or two.
So now they don't know what they don't be a paniciting,
they don't know who else are going to pivot to
and talk to.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Now we're making fun of the whole Lebron coverage.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
But for a second, Brian did say something very interesting
about Lebron today. He did because it actually goes along
with something we were talking about as we were walking
out last night, about how he's never played in an
expiring contract, and so Brian did say it was a
guy that's covered Lebron. I mean, part of the reason
why he's in the media is because of his coverage.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Right, pretty much only.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
I was trying to be nice, But we don't have
to be honest.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
He did say.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
And maybe we could get to a little bit later
on because certainly on the heels of us ripping them
from Lebron coverage, I don't want to do it say
something interesting, how he said, Initially, I disregarded any idea
that Lebron James would force his way out or want
to be traded or they would trade him. He's like
but the fact is you do have to acknowledge he
is playing on an expiring contract for the first time ever,
and the way the Lakers are talking about it is
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they're not interested in approaching him about any kind of extension,
he says, So you have to kind of keep that
in mind. So he's like, I'm not opening the door.
He's like, but I'm unlocking it. Is what Brian said.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
In terms of unlocking it for Lebron not being in
LA this season. Correct, Yeah, on that, I think it's possible, right,
I mean, I think the Lakers look at their roster
and say, I mean, if he stays, okay, we know
exactly what we have to pay, but we've got Luka Doncitz.
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We've got to make sure he comes to camp ready
to go, and we have to build for the future
around him, not around Lebron.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
And that'll be different.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
I mean, that will be the first time ever in
Lebron's career that you could say that about a team
that he's on. There the main focus is going to
be in Luca, It's not going to be in Lebron.
So maybe Lebron, you know, maybe he does get his
way out. It's tough to even think about that now.
But it's just it's an idea that's becoming more and more,
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you know, true, It could happen.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Maybe he goes plays tied in for the Browns.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
And tied in for the Browns. He might he might
even be out there with the Spurs. You know, I've
been seeing all these different type of the Spurs.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Going to give up to get him.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Jesus Christ and Sun. Is he a Spur? He's He's
He's all of us.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
We're off and rolling here on a Wednesday. What's fun today?
We have a bunch of Broncos NFL topics to get too.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
We'll get to. You're Hallam's fan, right, Shelby. Oh yeah good.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
I just want to make sure we see eye to
eye on some things. You know, some music stuff we're
not going to agree on. But holloos is amazing. Oh
yeah in your mind, no clue, Wait, you have no clue.
Holland Oas is no Oh.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
God, that's why we listen to. Yeah, they're awesome.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yeah, hallo Oas is an all timer. Dave da will
understand when he comes back here. We're getting a report
here from Chris Haynes that DeAndre Ayton might be signing
with the Lakers. So that's kind of another big name
that's coming off the board again for the Nuggets. We'll
come back to the Nuggets here in a little bit.
The Nuggets, they're in good shape. They may make another
couple moves here and there, but it's not like they
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were ever interested in DeAndre Ayton. But it looks like
he might be going to the Los Angeles Lakers, so
that maybe that's there to convince Lebron James to stick around.
I don't know to know, but yeah, we're getting it
from multiple reports now that Deandrayton is signing with the
Lakers thirty four million next year.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Wow, wait, you're thirty four I did There's no.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Way that's what Shams is just reporting. One season, he
said three. He says between Portland and LA eight and
eight and will earn thirty four million next season. So
I guess he's so he's yeah, yeah, they bought him
out in Portland and so I guess he's yeah, he's
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gonna play with the rest of that contract.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
But unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
So a couple of things again five six six nine
zeros or Kaway Commispert Health text line if you want
to interact with the show. I wanted to follow up
on on top of what we did yesterday when we
were talking about are we entering maybe a bit of
an era where the play caller or the designer of
plays is maybe a little bit more valuable than the quarterback.
You guys both still leaned on the quarterback as being
the most valuable.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
I think I think there's some.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Situations where I would I would argue, of course, is
me argue might desire probably, But I did decide to
run a whole question about it because it just I
thought it'd be fun. And uh and Sean Payton is
because I said Sean Payton versus Bonix?
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Did he weigh in? He did not. It would have
been fun if he did.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Yeah, sixty percent say Sean Payton is more responsible for
the offense's success than Bonix.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
So those are brand new Broncos fans obviously just this year.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
They have no idea what they're watching.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
They just hey, just Shanon Wegen has plenty of room
just hop on and enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
But I wanted to give a shout out to our guy,
Zack Seekers.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Because he brought up a really good point that I
hadn't considered.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
He said, for him, Sean Payton represents the floor of
the offense and Bonix is more of the ceiling. And
he said, and I think you can apply that to
our conversation in general. You could talk about the designer,
the play caller is a little bit of of the
baseline of how good you should be, and a really
good quarterback can sort of take that over the top.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
What do you think about that?
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Yeah, as far as much as I can understand the premise,
I would say I agree. Again, I mean, I think
you have to have both. But I mean, if you
if you're four to pick one, then my question would be,
how did people compare how did people like the Broncos
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offense of not last season, but the season.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Before Russell Wilson and Sean Payton Russell.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Wilson's last year with the Broncos, which was Sean Payton's
first year. It was Sean Payton. How did you, I mean,
how would you compare as an offense what you saw
from Russell Wilson as opposed to as an offense what
you saw from bow Knicks because the play caller, designer
was the same guy.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Well put it like this and start of reply, this
is the same principle here. The floor of the offense
definitely was higher than it was when the thing Nathaniel
Hackett correct. Like, we could say whatever you think about
Russell Wilson in his performance, the floor immediately raised when
you added Sean.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I agree, But where Russell is.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
At in his career and maybe just the fit in general,
you could only go so far. I think that's why
Sean wanted to move in it for different direction of quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
Well, you just made my argument in terms of if
you forced to pick one of the two between the
play caller slash designer and the franchise quarterback, I'm taking
the quarterback first. Not that the other guy is not important,
but I think you can't even with the smartest guy
in the world, you have to have that guy under
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the center to make the smartest guy in the world
offense work.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Well, we've seen it multiple times before where a great
quarterback makes the career of an offensive coordinator very sure. Well,
you know one guy you could always look at. You know,
obviously a lot of these those ss necessarily don't call plays.
Because you look at Daniel Hackett when he was here
with Anne Rodgers, you look at Shane Waldron and Seattle
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and then going to then going to Chicago and struggling,
you know, and then you look at a guy like
Matt Naggie going from the Chiefs to Chicago and then
struggling there too. But the one thing they had were
guys that made all the dysfunction and all that stuff work.
So once again, it kind of brings the argument back
to like, you can have the greatest scheme in the world,
but if you don't have that guy, because that guy
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can make a great scheme better and it can make
a bad scheme look good.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
But like your coach comes to Fanski one Coach of
the Year because he coached five different quarterbacks and you
guys made the postseason that year like that right now.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Defense was ranked number one him.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
So I'm just I get it though, like obviously, but
you know, defense also wins championships. Do not forget about
the big dogs, you.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
He's the coach of the whole team here, Shelby, but
he is, you know, offensive coach. But the thing is,
and I think why this is fascinating, because Sean Payton
raised the floor of the whole team, but especially the offense.
They were an eight win team coming off of a
five win season with Daniel Hackett. But we knew when
they acquired Sean Payton that that you immediately the team
was going to be desperately bad. Like you know, you
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may they had a losing season. I mean, that's that's
what it was. But you knew that the floor was
immediately raised of the offense of the entire team because
you had that guy. So I guess that's why I
keep coming back to it and saying that I think
we are starting to tip the scale a bit more
towards the play caller and designer because you immediately say, hey,
we're an eight to ten win team with that guy. Well,
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and then if you and you can plug in a corner,
you can plug into Sam Donald for a year. If
you have that guy, if you have Kevin O'Connell, give
me Sam Donald, I'm good with it.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
I don't care give me the pastor or not. I'm good.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
We can win games with that guy. But if I
don't have Kevin O'Connell, we're losing.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
If you have a young guy, a young quarterback, I
guess you could make that argument just as he's learning
his ways. But once you get to that veteran type quarterback,
it's it's a quarterback, it's Mahomes, even though I honestly uniform.
Then that will help the argument though, because when Patrick
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hu dissipated his kneecap against us here in Denver, and
was that nineteen yep, yep, twenty nineteen, what was it?
I think Matt Moore came and killed us. More came
in like literally, I remember Mahomes is out. I remember
I turned the detail. I was like, man, this is
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our chance to go. Then Matt Moore went through like
for like two fifty, like two or three other touchdowns,
and and that's when Andy Reid steps up. It has
to actually do his thing. But when you have a
guy like Mahomes who really doesn't play on script that
much anyway, that's him.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Okay, So thank you for making my point.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
But also don't forget though, Matt Moore did have Tyreek
Hill and if you remember, it was a player where
tyreerk Kill was running the drag across the field, caught
it and then turned up it went like sixty you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
So that also matters.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
So it's not just coaching, but we've seen before where
Tom Brady and everyone is clear that they give Tom
Brady a lot of the credit for what happened in
New England. Tom Brady made something out of nothing, and
they never had really a real number one receiver, and
when they did, they had Randy Moss.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
So you're saying, just so I understand, the play caller
and play designer is more important than the actual quarterback.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
I think we're starting to tip the scale. Yet, no,
we we ain't doing nothing.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
I say what you mean we say? I think we
as in the league. As I'm saying, what do.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
You mean the league?
Speaker 4 (31:34):
The league is starting to buy that nonsense, starting to
Who in.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
The league believes that I'm saying that you.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
Just said, we the league are starting to.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Play Who in the league believes that?
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Yeah, I need to know this. I like to know too,
because that's why I don't think that's why you uh,
you know, I'm going the number one overall picks wouldn't
be quarterbacks all the time if you just had the
perfect to Brady.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
When Tom Brady went to Tampa, they won Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yeah they did, didn't they?
Speaker 4 (32:07):
And and Bruce arians is regarded as the rightfully so
I mean, he wants to throw it down field a
lot and get his quarterback kid, but he's also regarded
as a top notch offensive guy, quarterback, whisper whatever. How
many did he win before Tom Brady got there?
Speaker 1 (32:22):
They were a five hundred team with Jameis Winston throwing
over thirty interceptions.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Then how did that work?
Speaker 4 (32:29):
How would you how would you come to reason your
line of thinking in that scenario.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
I'm saying, if I'm starting a team and I can
have Sean McVay, Kyle Shanahan, Kevin O'Connell, or Patrick Mahomes
or I think I want the designer, I want the guys.
So let me get this straight.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
You would not take Josh Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, or
Patrick Mahomes. If you had the choice of three of those,
you would take either Sean McVay or or one of
those guys.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
I think it.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Well, there's the reason that Sean McVeigh went all in
on getting Matthews.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Staff Lord, because God almighty, they got a Super Bowl
with Jared Golf.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
No, and what you keep forgetting they got a super
Bowl because of Todd Gurley and that defense. The whole,
the whole offense has been built off.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Of I'm not sure how much I can.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
I can literally built for this running the ball outside
and play action and play action. But if they did
not have that run game, good lay. They didn't in
the super Bowl anymore.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
I'll say.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
It's a generational thing, you know. With you, I'm not
sure what the hell it is.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Although, yeah, a feeling family member.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
That texted end if the quarterback is unable to effectively
operate the offense see Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
What difference does a play color make that actually is
in green? With us? I think you do?
Speaker 4 (34:00):
You honestly think that text is in agreement with you.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
I read it aditially now that you that you said something, Yeah,
flannel is.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
Button too tight? Breathe, breathe, damn breathe.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Well, listen, I I won't believer. I just thought about
it a little bit more, ran that poll, and.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
I was right. So then I you weren't right. You
see forty, your dave, I mean the numbers are the numbers?
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Okay, well, okay, let's let's do a poll with athletes
and coaches and.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Anybody who knows anything about football. I think that would
be a requirement.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
That's the we.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
The we is the people that actually played the game.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
That actually, no, you don't have to have played it.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
You just have to have a general understanding like about
about the game. I mean, just I'm kidding you here.
I do think it's an interesting discussion, and I do
think you need both. And I think like a great
quarterback cannot realize his greatness if he doesn't have the
guy designing the plays and calling them fully understand what
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that quarterback skill set is.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Also then going off what he says, my idea behind
it is this, like, you know, if you have a
quarterback and he's an established quarterback and you know he's good,
and he can't run your offense, well, well then that's
on you to change your offense to fit your quarterback.
Because isn't that what a play caller does. It's tailored
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the offense to the players that he actually has, you
know what I mean. So that's why you know, you
can have this whole play caller like beseet and what
you want to call. But the idea is you have
to make your plays based off of who you have
on your team.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Let me ask you guys a quick question, and again,
I don't want to beat this to death. Just what's
more of a scarce commodity?
Speaker 1 (35:55):
The elite quarterbacks, elite play callers, elite quarter lead quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
By far, you wouldn't be trading your future to go
get one. Yeah, there's there's fewer.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
I think there's fewer elite I mean how much, just
off the top of your head, right before we go
to news, how many elite quarterbacks, even the great players?
How many elite quarterbacks in the NFL currently?
Speaker 1 (36:17):
I'd say you probably get to seven eighths, Like, I know,
I don't think that's generous.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
You probably being generous. So how many?
Speaker 4 (36:27):
I mean, would you say there be less or more
elite play callers?
Speaker 2 (36:32):
It's a good point, there's probably more.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
There's probably more play callers there because we could probably
get to tenor or.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
Terror if if Andy Reid decided to move to wherever.
Do you think that whomever became the play caller with
the Chiefs as long as fifteen stays healthy, I think
that play caller is going.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
To be pretty good because I know, I'll tell you
you got a Mahomes, got Borrow, you got Lamar Jackson,
Josh Allen, everybody else there. Now, I think that's pretty
much it, and then after that everyone's trying to ascend
to that level.
Wednesday, everybody dig logan right, Edward Shelby hairs back in
studio with us.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
What's up shell Man?
Speaker 3 (00:06):
Not much, just you know, hanging around watching the softball.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
This Yes, you got a little glow to you. What's
going on?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Yeah? You know, my oldest daughter is doing no hitter today.
It's a sparkler. If anyone knows what the sparkler is,
it's a it's a huge softball tournament and in Colorado
that you have a lot of other teams from other
states that come out. And so even though she she
had a couple of walks, but that's what her no
hitter is, no hits baby, So you know we're proud
of that one.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Okay, heng on a second here, because it's certainly the.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Compliment up front. That's great.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
But I hope you and again, professional athlete, maybe it's
a little bit different. You're not gonna be like, hey,
great job baby, Listen, a couple walks today, four walks today, specifically,
and not your best work.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I love his strikeouts though, damn yeah, I love his
strikeouts and four walks A no hitter, no.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Hitter today, Yes she did, but you're not gonna give
her a hard time with the walks right.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
After after we talk about, you know, after we talk about,
you know, how good of a game she did, and
she's gonna be like, you know, we always go through
like you know, what did you do well? What do
you feel like you need to work on? And I
noticed she's going to say she needs to work on
the throwing throwing strikes. But like, that's the thing, you though,
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it's it's a great it's a great thing. And yeah,
I am hard on on my kids athletically, but she,
you know, she'll get her. She got she's getting shout
out right.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Now, Okay, that's right. What's up, Dave? How are you hey?
Fellas that's a that's a big deal. Yeah, four walks, four.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Walks, But no, at the end of the day, it's
for me when it comes to softball, when it comes
to pitching, and even baseball and pitching, it's how you
respond after the walk, you know what I mean? That
that's that's the that's the key, because you're out there
by yourself and you got to get back to your
mechanics and you got to figure out what went wrong
in that that and you've got to fix it on
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the fly. And so that shows you know the maturity
of an athlete.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Absolutely, Dave, my friend is good to see you. I
was a son is ninety degrees out.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Yeah, today was Today was a tester for our bunch.
Lots of lots of water breaks and but you know what,
you got to find ways. I mean that this is
for for any I mean any high school coach. You
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guys have to find ways to embrace the process and
to deal with it and because it's going to help
them put them in the best position when the fall
rolls around. If it were easy, then you wouldn't do
anything until school started. You'd be sitting by a pool
right now and watching some sixteen year old sophomore that
you had science class with jump off the high boarded
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what was her name?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Again?
Speaker 4 (02:58):
So I've got a lot of inspect for guys to
come out and want to work the way these guys work,
because it is I mean, it is.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Work, no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
We had a conversation right before you came in about
athletes that film themselves in the off season their workouts.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
And Russell Wilson, Well, I'm not calling out anybody by name.
I just said Russell did that. I didn't do that. Yeah,
I mean he's not the only one to do it.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
It's definitely a growing trend. It's a growing trend where
I haven't seen your workout video. Where is your video?
It's crazy how I'm slimming down and I haven't posted
a workout video yet.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
What is going on with the world? Well, how do
we know that you're working out if you don't want
a video? And that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
And what's the craziest part about it is and I've
heard this before, and it's the dumbest thing I've heard
that one of the dumbest things I've heard. Some of
these teams actually don't believe you're working out unless you
post it. I swear to you, Like some of these
teams in the NFL do not believe you're working out
unless you post. Unless you post it. Wow, And it's
some of the it's the crazy the thing in the
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world to be because it's like, well, when did really
posting workouts become a mandatory thing that we have to
because I don't. I've never been a guy that wants
to work out with a camera or anything like that
because I'm grinding. I could care less about the camera.
I'm just trying to get the work done so I
can go on the rest of my day. But you know,
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it's this new era now where everyone feels like they
have to post everything on social media. I'm big on
keeping myself at least some privacy. I'm not even talking
about the work, but I'm like some type of privacy
in my life. I don't want to post everything on
social media. I don't have to tell everyone where I
work out.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
I like talk show host. There's a different generation of
talk show host. I mean some like to post like
every single thing they do, and there's others that maybe
don't do that.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Are you trying to point out anything specific here?
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Not. Since I've known you, I stopped posting pictures of
my food.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
I think that's something important. Wow, I wouldn't know that.
It's first the first that's crazy. I wouldn't know that.
But I will check your timeline as soon as we
get out of the segment. Absolutely, would you have been
and I or anything?
Speaker 1 (05:14):
I know that is, would you have filmed yourself working
out in the off season if that was a thing
back in the.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Like, hell to the no, No, I know.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
It doesn't make What does that prove me working on
in silence and me working on in front of the camera.
I'm I guess I'll get the same thing done, but
it just does nothing for me.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
And my workouts honestly were a lot of basketball, I
believe it, or not quite a bit of long distance running,
which I'm not sure any NFL wide receivers or long
distance runners in the off season now, because I mean
things things have changed and their workout routines different and
it's a lot better in terms of how they get
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how they get themselves ready for camp.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
But no, no, on the text line, I'm a cyclist
and record all my rides on Strava.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
If it wasn't record on Strava, it didn't happen. Mike
from Iowa. So Mike, let us just jump in here.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
What I'm asking, honestly for a friend, what's the purpose
of recording every one of your workouts? I mean you
go back and and critique, critique to work out. I'm
dead serious, like literally not at all. It's really it's
the consensus about it is. It's really just about showing
social media cyclist, look.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
He's ready.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
So you're you're not going out there and saying wow,
you know, I gotta work with my technique or anything.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
This is more of like, hey, I'm back in the lab.
This is the grind.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Oh I'm not gonna lie you listening. You say I'm
back in the lab.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Who do you think of come back season?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Oh no, it's like Dex was upber.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
I just say these are the popular, you know, buzzwords
when it comes to.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Back in the Lab, and I'm just like, gosh, you know,
I instantly just swipe over those.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
I'm like, I don't care.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
I wanted to ask that if your if your players
do that, if they if they like send out social
media clips to themselves are working out so that you
know they were.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
With the Dave Logan, head coach to Terry Creek High School.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
The kids are working out. Listen, I'm going to end
all this nonsense right now. If they do, I wouldn't
know because purposely I stay for the most part off
social media. Now here's what I will If one of
them posts something that they shouldn't be posting. Best believe
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I'm going to get that. I'm gonna have there. There
will be somebody or somebody's that send me the screenshot
that and say hey, this came from number, what number, well,
then number whatever number is fixing to get a text.
You know, I media, that's just but that's just growing
up and trying to teach them right from wrong. And
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what I do tell them is is this a you guys,
you be careful and mindful of your social media because
you would be surprised how many.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
College coaches.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
I mean, we had seventy five college different colleges come
through this spring, and I bet I had thirty specific
conversations with a college coach about social media, about we
check every single thing that's very important a prospect has posted.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I said, how far do you go back? And I
was told forever.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
So word of the wise for parents, I mean doesn't
have to be football parents could be volleyball parents, could
be softball payers and whatever. Just make sure your sons
and daughters and coaches too. Make sure your athletes know
what I mean. What you post on social media is
there for anybody to see, and they are looking for
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things that maybe they don't like.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
And you know what a lot of people don't get
those is because when you meet a person, you know
in person, when you meet somebody in person, you can
put on this facade of who you really are. But
the idea is that you know, you're posting what you
want to online. This is who you really are online.
Even if it's you know, you can claim it's a joke.
You can claim it's you know, I wasn't really being serious.
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But that's how these recruiters are going to get an
idea of who you really are. That's true because that
they only have limited amount of time with you in person,
so they all they can do is look on your
social media and see if you are a fit from
what you post, because that's a majority of what they're
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going to find out about you.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
It was online this text here on the ka Comma
Spirit Health text line five six six nine zero.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
My camera role consists of all the best poutine I
have had in my life? Is that right?
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Apparently it's special. I mean you even said you you
finally found it on one menu?
Speaker 2 (10:16):
What's that poutine? Remember you said?
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Yeah, yeah, sorry, yeah, I found that found it on
the menu on Sunday. That's right, Yeah, right, I sure did,
Sure it did. And I had friends that used to
they used to have pictures of all the poutine they
had in their life.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Really yeah, I mean polaroids. But still they have like
a scrapbook or something, well sort of yeah, kind of
a wall. Oh my gosh, nobody out there that way.
You just kidding.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
I just never I just never heard the word poutin
poutine before, and I certainly have never pop at it.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
I'm actually supposed to maybe go to Canada next next weekend.
Really yeah, because now they have a softball tournament. So
they have this softball tournament here this week, and then
next week they have a softball tournament in Canada. Obviously
I have to stay here during the week to train,
so then I might go on like Thursday night, try
to fly up there and just do it like that.
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But I should be in Canada next week.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Hopefully your daughter can cut down on the walks.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Yeah, man, Like, what's wrong with her? I hope everyone
knows that was a joke, that was right. I was
still very happy.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Man, I listen, I'll be honest.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Before we came on the he was like, for what
is going.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
On with her? I have to make sure I threw
the eleven strikeouts in there.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
I know, I know, I know. Well.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Anyways, a lot of fun today. We're gonna get to
a really good conversations, good Texico. By the way, Mike
from Iowa says, it records the biometrics on how I
did on my ride, how much power, average heart rate,
high heart rates, how many calories burned.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
It's a tool. Okay, all right, that makes sense first
then yeah, yeah, very cool.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
So I was thinking about this early todays there's listening
to Brian Windhorst talk about the Nuggets and what they've
done here in the off season. And boy, I tell you,
the national coverage is fascinating because here locally, we're pretty
excited about what the Nuggets have done so far, right,
but Brian windhors is out there talking about how the
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Nuggets might have screwed this thing up.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
You know why.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
You know why because Kronky opened that with opened that door,
because you open that door mentioning last week, literally mentioning
the idea of Joker leaving. Now ever since then, every
day I've seen the media saying something about Joker leaving.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
And this is another example of like, wow, that twenty
thirty two pick that that's gonna hang your joker. It's
really good stuff here.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
But the reason, and this is polarizing, is that a
lot of people think that that this is not going
to really help them. When I say people I'm talking
about like rival executives. So like they say, it's if
you want to ever have a dream of prying Nikola
Jokic out of Denver, you've got to be happy that
they use their prime last you know, big trade chip,
(13:22):
which Bontemp's reference to the two thousand and thirty two
pick in in a money in a money pump move.
Like I had somebody say to me, if you're if
you're the Lakers, you'd love seeing that because that means
that you're not helping Yokich with like a bona fide star.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Okay, once ago, I'm jumping in here, and I like
Brian Winhurst. I think he's a guy. I mean, I
think he does a good job. He's he's not given
to hyperbole. You got to be stuck on stupid?
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Well are you? I mean, seriously you want you?
Speaker 4 (13:53):
I mean, I'm not saying he didn't get a text
from you know, a front office type per in the
league that may have said that, but that's that's leading
him to say exactly what he did. How old will
Nikola Jokic be in twenty thirty two? A Lakers thirty
seven years old, and you mean to tell me because
(14:16):
they used that draft choice. They gave that up at
age thirty seven. Now, he Jokic that's eight years from now.
Would say, huh, this must mean that they're not trying
to win right now, So damn it, I want to
think about leaving and go. Even you guys in the
(14:40):
media on ESPN can't possibly believe that that, literally is.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
One of the top ten dumbest.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
Takes I've heard in the last I don't know year,
literally from a guy who I really enjoy and I
think he's really a smart guy.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
What the actual hell? Yeah, and you work with me?
Good lord? No, it just doesn't make any sense. But
I I kind of old what I what.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
I kind of believed what he was trying to say,
but he kind of misspoke a little bit, was that
that was their last trade bit that they had in
order to gain another Superstar if they wanted to trade
for another Superstars, because that was because you know, every year,
you know you can Superstar? Are you getting for the
(15:30):
thirty thirty two? That's what they're trying to claim. But
it's the dumbest thing, you know, It's stupid it's just
it's it's another way, just like because you know they're
gonna be They've been talking about Gianni's all off season
now since you know, Cocky said that. Now they can
switch and talk about somebody else. Now it's just a
dozen way to play the what if game. Oh well, you.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Know I would roll my eyes if I were on
the set with Brian Windhurst, Like, bro, really, seriously, do
you want me to jump in and save you from
complete lately taking so much water on that you sink?
Or do you want me just to lay out and
you battle and try to move.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Your hands if that's as you can, and stay afloat
until you don't think that.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
That's just an incredibly dumb take.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
It's almost as bad as the Steven A. Smith calling
Anison underachiever if he doesn't do anything else in his
career but that.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
But see, that take is just to have what we're
doing right now, just say Steve and A. I can't believe.
I don't even I'm not even sure he actually believes that.
Brian Winhorst is the guy that says stuff because he
believes it to be true.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Yeah, it doesn't make any sense at all. It doesn't
make any sense at all. But once again, I don't
blame them for even going through these scenarios anymore. We
open that can of worms and so are you going
to get that every day into the season. Now they're
gonna be like, oh, does Nicola Oakus want to leave Denver?
That's that's what his story is. The first front draft
choice was in twenty seven.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Okay, I still don't necessarily think it would affect Nicola,
But then I would say, Okay.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
I could. I could see that.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
I could see them connecting the dots, even though I
think that still would be a reach from my perspective,
but I could see it. We're talking about a first
round pick that literally is eight NBA seasons away. Now,
don't get you're gonna be thirty seven years. I hope
he's still playing. What if you had If you had
(17:35):
one thousand dollars of your hard earned money and you
get to place it on red or black? Red is
Nikola Okicic's still playing in the NBA at thirty seven?
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Black is He's riding.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Little bitty ass horses in Serbia and enjoying his life.
Which one would you bet?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Ryan? I'd probably have better luck betting on the horses
he's riding.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
I hope I'm wrong. I would bet on the little
Bitts horses as well. Yeah, not a thirty seven, I
mean yeah, because.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Lebron James is the anomaly.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Like it's some similar conversation we have with like Aaron
Rodgers and Tom Brady playing into their forties.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
That's that's anomaly like that, that's not typical. And NICOLEA.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Jokic, by all accounts, and again it's not he's going
to talk about it openly right now, is not trying
to pattern his career after Lebron James, And hey, I
want to play into my forties.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Play kids can play. He plays like three years from now.
I hope he that's the goal.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Because when you've accomplished everything in your career that you
possibly could, you know, multiple MVP NBA championship. Once you
do that and you know you have a family, you
know you're happy outside of basketball, and you.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Get a hundred million dollars in the bank, there's nothing.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
There's nothing that's going to keep him keep playing over
and over again because eventually you keep asking how much
money is enough?
Speaker 2 (18:56):
See, I like Lebron.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Jokic, he he doesn't have to have his name mentioned
every day on ESPN or in the national media or
even local media.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
He doesn't have to have it.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
I think the guy is completely comfortable in his own skin,
and he knows exactly what he's going to do. And
when he has accomplished enough and his family starts to
grow whatever, you know, I fear he's going to opt
out much sooner than later. I hope, I hope he plays,
you know, until he's completely done playing.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
But but I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Lebron James has been a headline over over the last
twenty three twenty three years, almost twenty four years. Yep,
He's been the number one talked about sportsperson pretty much
over the last twenty one years, twenty twenty one plus years.
So that's that's why I believe, No, we have this
(19:55):
such Lebron addiction on on on TV because frankly, they
ran out of stuff to talk about den be honest,
because Lebron was the headline before there really was this
whole idea of twenty four hour sports. Before it was
always like we got to break the news at any time.
And so that's why I feel like we have to
find something to talk about Lebron. Well, now Lebron's you know, supposedly,
(20:19):
I supposed it might be his last year or two.
So now they don't know what they don't be a paniciting,
they don't know who else are going to pivot to
and talk to.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Now we're making fun of the whole Lebron coverage.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
But for a second, Brian did say something very interesting
about Lebron today. He did because it actually goes along
with something we were talking about as we were walking
out last night, about how he's never played in an
expiring contract, and so Brian did say it was a
guy that's covered Lebron. I mean, part of the reason
why he's in the media is because of his coverage.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Right, pretty much only.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
I was trying to be nice, But we don't have
to be honest.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
He did say.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
And maybe we could get to a little bit later
on because certainly on the heels of us ripping them
from Lebron coverage, I don't want to do it say
something interesting, how he said, Initially, I disregarded any idea
that Lebron James would force his way out or want
to be traded or they would trade him. He's like
but the fact is you do have to acknowledge he
is playing on an expiring contract for the first time ever,
and the way the Lakers are talking about it is
(21:15):
they're not interested in approaching him about any kind of extension,
he says, So you have to kind of keep that
in mind. So he's like, I'm not opening the door.
He's like, but I'm unlocking it. Is what Brian said.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
In terms of unlocking it for Lebron not being in
LA this season. Correct, Yeah, on that, I think it's possible, right,
I mean, I think the Lakers look at their roster
and say, I mean, if he stays, okay, we know
exactly what we have to pay, but we've got Luka Doncitz.
(21:45):
We've got to make sure he comes to camp ready
to go, and we have to build for the future
around him, not around Lebron.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
And that'll be different.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
I mean, that will be the first time ever in
Lebron's career that you could say that about a team
that he's on. There the main focus is going to
be in Luca, It's not going to be in Lebron.
So maybe Lebron, you know, maybe he does get his
way out. It's tough to even think about that now.
But it's just it's an idea that's becoming more and more,
(22:15):
you know, true, It could happen.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Maybe he goes plays tied in for the Browns.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
And tied in for the Browns. He might he might
even be out there with the Spurs. You know, I've
been seeing all these different type of the Spurs.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Going to give up to get him.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Jesus Christ and Sun. Is he a Spur? He's He's
He's all of us.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
We're off and rolling here on a Wednesday. What's fun today?
We have a bunch of Broncos NFL topics to get too.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
We'll get to. You're Hallam's fan, right, Shelby. Oh yeah good.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
I just want to make sure we see eye to
eye on some things. You know, some music stuff we're
not going to agree on. But holloos is amazing. Oh
yeah in your mind, no clue, Wait, you have no clue.
Holland Oas is no Oh.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
God, that's why we listen to. Yeah, they're awesome.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yeah, hallo Oas is an all timer. Dave da will
understand when he comes back here. We're getting a report
here from Chris Haynes that DeAndre Ayton might be signing
with the Lakers. So that's kind of another big name
that's coming off the board again for the Nuggets. We'll
come back to the Nuggets here in a little bit.
The Nuggets, they're in good shape. They may make another
couple moves here and there, but it's not like they
(23:33):
were ever interested in DeAndre Ayton. But it looks like
he might be going to the Los Angeles Lakers, so
that maybe that's there to convince Lebron James to stick around.
I don't know to know, but yeah, we're getting it
from multiple reports now that Deandrayton is signing with the
Lakers thirty four million next year.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Wow, wait, you're thirty four I did There's no.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Way that's what Shams is just reporting. One season, he
said three. He says between Portland and LA eight and
eight and will earn thirty four million next season. So
I guess he's so he's yeah, yeah, they bought him
out in Portland and so I guess he's yeah, he's
(24:16):
gonna play with the rest of that contract.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
But unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
So a couple of things again five six six nine
zeros or Kaway Commispert Health text line if you want
to interact with the show. I wanted to follow up
on on top of what we did yesterday when we
were talking about are we entering maybe a bit of
an era where the play caller or the designer of
plays is maybe a little bit more valuable than the quarterback.
You guys both still leaned on the quarterback as being
the most valuable.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
I think I think there's some.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Situations where I would I would argue, of course, is
me argue might desire probably, But I did decide to
run a whole question about it because it just I
thought it'd be fun. And uh and Sean Payton is
because I said Sean Payton versus Bonix?
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Did he weigh in? He did not. It would have
been fun if he did.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Yeah, sixty percent say Sean Payton is more responsible for
the offense's success than Bonix.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
So those are brand new Broncos fans obviously just this year.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
They have no idea what they're watching.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
They just hey, just Shanon Wegen has plenty of room
just hop on and enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
But I wanted to give a shout out to our guy,
Zack Seekers.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Because he brought up a really good point that I
hadn't considered.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
He said, for him, Sean Payton represents the floor of
the offense and Bonix is more of the ceiling. And
he said, and I think you can apply that to
our conversation in general. You could talk about the designer,
the play caller is a little bit of of the
baseline of how good you should be, and a really
good quarterback can sort of take that over the top.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
What do you think about that?
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Yeah, as far as much as I can understand the premise,
I would say I agree. Again, I mean, I think
you have to have both. But I mean, if you
if you're four to pick one, then my question would be,
how did people compare how did people like the Broncos
(26:11):
offense of not last season, but the season.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Before Russell Wilson and Sean Payton Russell.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Wilson's last year with the Broncos, which was Sean Payton's
first year. It was Sean Payton. How did you, I mean,
how would you compare as an offense what you saw
from Russell Wilson as opposed to as an offense what
you saw from bow Knicks because the play caller, designer
was the same guy.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Well put it like this and start of reply, this
is the same principle here. The floor of the offense
definitely was higher than it was when the thing Nathaniel
Hackett correct. Like, we could say whatever you think about
Russell Wilson in his performance, the floor immediately raised when
you added Sean.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I agree, But where Russell is.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
At in his career and maybe just the fit in general,
you could only go so far. I think that's why
Sean wanted to move in it for different direction of quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
Well, you just made my argument in terms of if
you forced to pick one of the two between the
play caller slash designer and the franchise quarterback, I'm taking
the quarterback first. Not that the other guy is not important,
but I think you can't even with the smartest guy
in the world, you have to have that guy under
(27:26):
the center to make the smartest guy in the world
offense work.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Well, we've seen it multiple times before where a great
quarterback makes the career of an offensive coordinator very sure. Well,
you know one guy you could always look at. You know,
obviously a lot of these those ss necessarily don't call plays.
Because you look at Daniel Hackett when he was here
with Anne Rodgers, you look at Shane Waldron and Seattle
(27:51):
and then going to then going to Chicago and struggling,
you know, and then you look at a guy like
Matt Naggie going from the Chiefs to Chicago and then
struggling there too. But the one thing they had were
guys that made all the dysfunction and all that stuff work.
So once again, it kind of brings the argument back
to like, you can have the greatest scheme in the world,
but if you don't have that guy, because that guy
(28:14):
can make a great scheme better and it can make
a bad scheme look good.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
But like your coach comes to Fanski one Coach of
the Year because he coached five different quarterbacks and you
guys made the postseason that year like that right now.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Defense was ranked number one him.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
So I'm just I get it though, like obviously, but
you know, defense also wins championships. Do not forget about
the big dogs, you.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
He's the coach of the whole team here, Shelby, but
he is, you know, offensive coach. But the thing is,
and I think why this is fascinating, because Sean Payton
raised the floor of the whole team, but especially the offense.
They were an eight win team coming off of a
five win season with Daniel Hackett. But we knew when
they acquired Sean Payton that that you immediately the team
was going to be desperately bad. Like you know, you
(29:04):
may they had a losing season. I mean, that's that's
what it was. But you knew that the floor was
immediately raised of the offense of the entire team because
you had that guy. So I guess that's why I
keep coming back to it and saying that I think
we are starting to tip the scale a bit more
towards the play caller and designer because you immediately say, hey,
we're an eight to ten win team with that guy. Well,
(29:25):
and then if you and you can plug in a corner,
you can plug into Sam Donald for a year. If
you have that guy, if you have Kevin O'Connell, give
me Sam Donald, I'm good with it.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
I don't care give me the pastor or not. I'm good.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
We can win games with that guy. But if I
don't have Kevin O'Connell, we're losing.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
If you have a young guy, a young quarterback, I
guess you could make that argument just as he's learning
his ways. But once you get to that veteran type quarterback,
it's it's a quarterback, it's Mahomes, even though I honestly uniform.
Then that will help the argument though, because when Patrick
(29:59):
hu dissipated his kneecap against us here in Denver, and
was that nineteen yep, yep, twenty nineteen, what was it?
I think Matt Moore came and killed us. More came
in like literally, I remember Mahomes is out. I remember
I turned the detail. I was like, man, this is
(30:19):
our chance to go. Then Matt Moore went through like
for like two fifty, like two or three other touchdowns,
and and that's when Andy Reid steps up. It has
to actually do his thing. But when you have a
guy like Mahomes who really doesn't play on script that
much anyway, that's him.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Okay, So thank you for making my point.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
But also don't forget though, Matt Moore did have Tyreek
Hill and if you remember, it was a player where
tyreerk Kill was running the drag across the field, caught
it and then turned up it went like sixty you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
So that also matters.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
So it's not just coaching, but we've seen before where
Tom Brady and everyone is clear that they give Tom
Brady a lot of the credit for what happened in
New England. Tom Brady made something out of nothing, and
they never had really a real number one receiver, and
when they did, they had Randy Moss.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
So you're saying, just so I understand, the play caller
and play designer is more important than the actual quarterback.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
I think we're starting to tip the scale. Yet, no,
we we ain't doing nothing.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
I say what you mean we say? I think we
as in the league. As I'm saying, what do.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
You mean the league?
Speaker 4 (31:34):
The league is starting to buy that nonsense, starting to
Who in.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
The league believes that I'm saying that you.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
Just said, we the league are starting to.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Play Who in the league believes that?
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Yeah, I need to know this. I like to know too,
because that's why I don't think that's why you uh,
you know, I'm going the number one overall picks wouldn't
be quarterbacks all the time if you just had the
perfect to Brady.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
When Tom Brady went to Tampa, they won Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yeah they did, didn't they?
Speaker 4 (32:07):
And and Bruce arians is regarded as the rightfully so
I mean, he wants to throw it down field a
lot and get his quarterback kid, but he's also regarded
as a top notch offensive guy, quarterback, whisper whatever. How
many did he win before Tom Brady got there?
Speaker 1 (32:22):
They were a five hundred team with Jameis Winston throwing
over thirty interceptions.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Then how did that work?
Speaker 4 (32:29):
How would you how would you come to reason your
line of thinking in that scenario.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
I'm saying, if I'm starting a team and I can
have Sean McVay, Kyle Shanahan, Kevin O'Connell, or Patrick Mahomes
or I think I want the designer, I want the guys.
So let me get this straight.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
You would not take Josh Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, or
Patrick Mahomes. If you had the choice of three of those,
you would take either Sean McVay or or one of
those guys.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
I think it.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Well, there's the reason that Sean McVeigh went all in
on getting Matthews.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Staff Lord, because God almighty, they got a Super Bowl
with Jared Golf.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
No, and what you keep forgetting they got a super
Bowl because of Todd Gurley and that defense. The whole,
the whole offense has been built off.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Of I'm not sure how much I can.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
I can literally built for this running the ball outside
and play action and play action. But if they did
not have that run game, good lay. They didn't in
the super Bowl anymore.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
I'll say.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
It's a generational thing, you know. With you, I'm not
sure what the hell it is.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Although, yeah, a feeling family member.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
That texted end if the quarterback is unable to effectively
operate the offense see Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
What difference does a play color make that actually is
in green? With us? I think you do?
Speaker 4 (34:00):
You honestly think that text is in agreement with you.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
I read it aditially now that you that you said something, Yeah,
flannel is.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
Button too tight? Breathe, breathe, damn breathe.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Well, listen, I I won't believer. I just thought about
it a little bit more, ran that poll, and.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
I was right. So then I you weren't right. You
see forty, your dave, I mean the numbers are the numbers?
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Okay, well, okay, let's let's do a poll with athletes
and coaches and.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Anybody who knows anything about football. I think that would
be a requirement.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
That's the we.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
The we is the people that actually played the game.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
That actually, no, you don't have to have played it.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
You just have to have a general understanding like about
about the game. I mean, just I'm kidding you here.
I do think it's an interesting discussion, and I do
think you need both. And I think like a great
quarterback cannot realize his greatness if he doesn't have the
guy designing the plays and calling them fully understand what
(35:10):
that quarterback skill set is.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Also then going off what he says, my idea behind
it is this, like, you know, if you have a
quarterback and he's an established quarterback and you know he's good,
and he can't run your offense, well, well then that's
on you to change your offense to fit your quarterback.
Because isn't that what a play caller does. It's tailored
(35:33):
the offense to the players that he actually has, you
know what I mean. So that's why you know, you
can have this whole play caller like beseet and what
you want to call. But the idea is you have
to make your plays based off of who you have
on your team.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Let me ask you guys a quick question, and again,
I don't want to beat this to death. Just what's
more of a scarce commodity?
Speaker 1 (35:55):
The elite quarterbacks, elite play callers, elite quarter lead quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
By far, you wouldn't be trading your future to go
get one. Yeah, there's there's fewer.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
I think there's fewer elite I mean how much, just
off the top of your head, right before we go
to news, how many elite quarterbacks, even the great players?
How many elite quarterbacks in the NFL currently?
Speaker 1 (36:17):
I'd say you probably get to seven eighths, Like, I know,
I don't think that's generous.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
You probably being generous. So how many?
Speaker 4 (36:27):
I mean, would you say there be less or more
elite play callers?
Speaker 2 (36:32):
It's a good point, there's probably more.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
There's probably more play callers there because we could probably
get to tenor or.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
Terror if if Andy Reid decided to move to wherever.
Do you think that whomever became the play caller with
the Chiefs as long as fifteen stays healthy, I think
that play caller is going.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
To be pretty good because I know, I'll tell you
you got a Mahomes, got Borrow, you got Lamar Jackson,
Josh Allen, everybody else there. Now, I think that's pretty
much it, and then after that everyone's trying to ascend
to that level.
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