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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Dave my friend, good to see you. How are you good?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
See you? Rhyme? How's your weekend?
Speaker 1 (00:17):
I was pretty good. We you know, celebrate your life
fourth barbecuing. It's always an important thing to do. And
we got a kitten, so that was it nice?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Right, Yeah, it was one of those things that kind
of came together a little fast. You know, I'm more
of a methodical kind of person when it comes.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
To bigger decisions.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I'm sure that you're surprised to hear that, but you know,
once the wife and the kids they got excited about
a kit.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
And we, uh, yeah, we just went and got it.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
So sometimes you gotta do it. You're not, are you
a cat guy?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
You know? I I was a dog first of my
entire life until the last couple of years when i've
I've we're now more a little bit more cat people.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
But I love both.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
I do.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
We just haven't. We don't have a dog currently, does
mean we'll get one someday. But dog people, I think
dog dog people.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Can be cat people too.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
But if you're a dog person normally you love dogs,
you you can like cats.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
At least that would be my experience.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yeah, and honestly for most of my life, not that
anyways necessarily caring about this, but most of my life
I would say that I didn't understand cats.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I really wasn't. I didn't understand well.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Not really, and even to this day, with now three cats,
for crying out loud, I wouldn't say that I actually
understand them at all. But when they choose you, like
when they come and snuggle up and lay on you.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
There's something really cool to do.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Cats.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yeah, yeah, because dog dogs.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Are pretty predictable generally speaking. Yeah, they wag the tail.
The're pretty excited to see it. Yeah, and that's great.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
You would say like cats are more if we were
doing quake cats to a human, cats would be more like,
I don't know, females, and dogs would be males.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I refer like teenagers, like because I want to extende,
it would be teenage. Yeah, I catch are like teenagers.
You know when they're like teenagers. There are moments and
again I have two teenagers, you of course have a Yeah,
there's like those moments when they go, you know, I
love you dad, or they just say something nice so
they go out of their way to do something nice.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
We call that heartwarming moments. Right.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Cats are kind of like that, like and you have
to just sort of trust that it's going to happen
again sometimes.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Yeah, you don't know why that's the female analogy. I mean,
I mean that's not even in a disparaging way. I
just think it's accurate.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I just want to stay out of hot water for
you do like ten minutes of the show. Yeah, that's
all I'm am aiming for right now. I feel like
if I say teenagers, you know, there'll be some eye
rolls in the car they're driving around. But say female,
oh boy, that's a problem my entire timeline, and I
hear you it would be pleasant.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Anyways, how was your weekend?
Speaker 1 (02:50):
My friend?
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Good? Yeah? No?
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Fourth fourth is you know, always fun you get family
and he remember it a good time?
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Do I remember the fourth?
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Well?
Speaker 1 (03:02):
I just it's funny because we've had these conversations where
like we'll leave the show, and'll be like, what did
you talk about?
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Like I don't remember.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Oh no, listen, that's totally different, like family and holidays
and all that. I certainly remember doing this show. Maybe
not so much. Okay, yeah, Like as soon as the
show is over, within I don't know, ninety seconds, it's
a complete clean slate for me. That's the only way
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you can do talk radio for any length of time.
And if you stew or try to figure out like
what did that mean? Like back in the day we
took callers, what did that caller mean when he said
that you drive? I mean, you're one of those guys
that drives yourself crazy. You grow beerd do you live
in the attic? Do you eat apple sauce all the time?
And it's just not a good thing. I do love
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it apple sauce. I like apple sauce too, but not
the beer in the attic?
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Right, I think I stew on those things a little longer.
But once again, this is.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
What I've done this longer than you.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
This is what we call sage advice about being a
talk show host.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
If you the longer you do it.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
I mean, honestly, not not that we can't be passionate
and one hundred percent reel on topics from time to time.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
But there is a.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
There is an element of entertainment that I think almost
encourages you at times to say things where when you
leave the show, you're like, I didn't really even mean that,
I don't even believe that, and yet that's what I said, right, so.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Like stickybacks and oh well yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Never said I didn't believe in that.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
So anyways, Yeah, so listen, I understand that is good
sage advice. Certainly, I will try to interprise that as
we continue to go. All right, we were actually quite
a bit to get to over the next hour and
a half. The Yonis Valan Shooters saga over the weekend.
I'm not sure you saw the latest updates on it.
So he's staying with the Nuggets, Well that's what they want.
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I don't know if he's staying with the Nuggets. Do
you think he's staying with the Nuggets? Oh? Yeah, do
you think after everything that we learned over the weekend?
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Yes, Okay, I would say the probability is that Jonas
Valentunis Jonas Valentnis will play in Denver this fall.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Okay, And that's in part because a he's under contract
is a significant portion, this big portion of this, and
be the Nuggets already told him, no, we intend for
you to play for us.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
That's right, Okay, I mean this, I mean he signed
the contract, the contract is valid, and this, I mean
this is a this.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Is a big deal for the Nuggets.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
It's not like that, this is sort of a fringe
player that you know, might have a hard time making
the final roster, a veteran who they they gave a
two way contract to. We're hoping, you know, at age
thirty nine, he's going to be able to give us
a few minutes. It's not like that at all. This
is the best backup post player the Nuggets have had
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in a long time. This guy is legitimate, a legitimate force,
legitimate player inside, and I mean he's perfect with respect
to Jokic getting some much needed rest during the regular season.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
So yeah, I think the Nuggets and.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
I applaud the fact that they are fully intending on
doing whatever they.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Have to do to, you know, have him honor this contract.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
You like the precedent it sets of a player that
openly tells you he does not want to be here,
that you say.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Tough, yeah, and I would.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
I would add I would add a word in your vernacular.
I would use tough as an ADDI and then I
would describe poop, but started with s. Sure, that's what
i'd say, like, you know what, tough.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Tough.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
My mother used to say, tough toenails.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
That was her Okay, yeah, all right, tough toenails. No, man,
I mean you signed the deal.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Well, he signed the deal to be somewhere else. He
got traded. He didn't sign the deal with the Nuggets.
He got traded to the Nuggets. Well, no, he he
signed his contract.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
I signed the contract, which is valid with the Nuggets.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
It's valid because he was traded to the Nuggets, but.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Which is valid with the Nuggets.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Listen, I we don't need to get a semantics.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
I agree with you. I agree with you. I just
wonder aloud about that portion of it. First of all,
did the Kings know before they did this trade that
I don't know?
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, we don't know that. I don't know the Nuggs know.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
I mean it would make it would make you sort
of think so because when when we found out that
Dario Sarch was traded straight up for Jonis Valancunis. We're like,
that's the steal, steal the right, How does that happen
to your Nuggets?
Speaker 1 (08:07):
He took a player you had no interest in playing whatsoever,
you got them off your books, and you added a
player that you as absolutely need.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
So if I'm the Nuggets sort of behind the scenes,
I might, very quietly at least it would start quiet,
reach out to the Kings and say, hey, so you
tell me you didn't know anything about this, so I
want to make sure I'm want to make sure I'm
getting the story accurately poortrayed. No, I think rather than
worry about it's setting a precedent, I would worry on
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the other end of the spectrum that if we didn't
fight to make this happen, it sets a precedent for
players that, for whatever reason, get a contract in Europe
or other places and say, you know, I know I'm
under contract here, but I think I'd like to go
play in Botswana.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
By all accounts, it doesn't seem like a play for
more money like oftentimes like we saw with mild scared.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Over the deal, although there is more money involved over
a length of time.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
In this case, if he goes.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
To Greece, which is true, which is true.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
So it felt like when this first came out, that
was one of the first things I thought of.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
It was like, does he really want more money? Is
this is a play?
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Are the Nuggets getting played in this process understanding that
they may need him more than he needs them kind
of deal? But now reading it over the course of
the weekend and again the latest updates. We heard from
Sham's a couple of days ago, he said that the
Nuggets informed him that he was under contract and they
want him to play. This morning, there was a report
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saying that his agent, over this process, had notified the
Great Team that he wanted to leave the NBA, but
never his agent never reached out to the Nuggets to
let them know. So by that report, I believe the
Nuggets were blindsided by this, like they were not aware
when they made this deal. And maybe that's why the
Kings were, Hey, yeah, take Yota's Valanciunas whatever, man, you know,
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we'll take Darthus Startz the expiring contract and we'll move
that off the books and we'll save ourselves some money.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
So it's fascinating to watch. I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
I think that they ultimately lean on that because the
Nuggets really do need this guy. But you got a
couple of new gms, and by name because they're not
really by GM general manager, it's a triumvirant or whatever.
But that group making this decision, I'm just fascinated to
see how they ultimately come to the conclusions that they do,
because you don't know, they've never been in this situation.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
May very few teams have.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
And so to find yourself here, we're a player at
thirty three years old, is saying, you know.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
I've done what I wanted to do in the NBA.
I've been a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
I want to go live in Europe. My family's over
in Europe. I want to be over there. And then
what do you say to that, like the families not
in Greece, Non Greece, in Lithuania.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
So you know, to me, I think the rest of
the NBA, you mentioned that this is this is a
new front office than it is. The owner is not new,
I would guess. I would speculate that the rest of
the NBA owners are quietly talking to the Nuggets and
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saying and encouraging them, Listen, you gotta hold tide in
this thing.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
You can't. You know, you can't be the good guy
here and say.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Well, we understand you want to go home, so let's
see what we can do to make that happen.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
No, no, no, that's not I mean, he's under contract.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
That's why I think it is all but assured he
will play here, at least for this season.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
The text line here five six sixteen zero says he
won't play hard and he'll be disgruntled.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
He didn't. I mean, I guess that could happen. I
guess that could happen, But he doesn't.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
He doesn't strike me as the kind of guy right
in terms of how he's played in the past.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
He's always been an effort guy.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
I think I would think even if he was not
completely happy with the outcome of the deal, he would
realize that his value as a player would only go
up if he plays through this and plays hard and
plays well.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
But I guess I guess that he could be right
to take.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Yeah, I mean that feels like an extreme example.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
I guess he could be a little cantankerous maybe in
the locker room, right, I mean early on, I mean,
and then you're making almost eleven million dollars and your
you have potential on this team to buy for a championship.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Now maybe that's not the most important thing at this
stage in your life.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
I mean, we won't know until we actually talk to
you on this, but you know, based on just the
read of the situation, it's like maybe he had come
to this conclusion before this trade even had like sort
of like, hey, you know what, I think I've reached
a point.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
This is just what i want to do. And because they.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Obviously the agent been communicating with Greece, because this happened
right like two days after the trade went down, we're like, oh, oh,
he thinks he's going to Greece.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
So then you sort of play that.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Out and say, Okay, well he visited Greece over the weekend,
like he was out there, and they.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
It's going to be in Denver tomorrow, right, probably, right,
I believe, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
I think that's right.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
So it's amazing how it's like, Okay, well, this is
what we want to do, and then the Nuggets say no,
and then it's like okay, I'll be I'll go, I'll
the way back to Denver. Yeah, and I'll play on
my contract because the team option. Now will getting the
nice thing to do regardless of whatever happens this season.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Hopefully he plays well and the Nuggets win a championship.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
But regardless of that is you do let him out
of the team option year if he still if he
still wants to go to Greece, and Greece will still
be there.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Theoretically, I think that's I think that's something the Nuggets
would be able to convey to him. Hey, listen, you know,
if you if you feel the same way at the
end of the season, after we've played really well and
competed for a championship, and.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
You've played really well, been a great, great.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Addition to the team in the locker room as a teammate,
and you have brought so much to the city of
Denver and to the Nuggets organization in general, that absolutely
we can sit down and talk about you going to
Greece at that point. I mean, that's pretty clear, isn't it.
What we expect from you in terms of behavior and
your production and how you go about your business this
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year at the Nuggets. So that's I think they will
get there. I think both sides will realize, you know,
the Nuggets are serious about this. I know the Nuggets
already realize that, but I think you'll play here and
I think you'll play well.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
So we'll give you guys updated on that throughout the
course of the week. Like you said, if he's going
to be here in Denver tomorrow, PROBA have some more
updates there.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
I want to go shout to Hunter Goodman at.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
All All Star right, Yeah, that is so far in
the first half two eighty one, sixteen homers, fifty Ribby's
and just having.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
An outstanding season.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I think it's tough because I was reading some articles
today and it seems to be of a split decision
about Hunter Goodman as an All Star, and some people
tie it back to the frustrations that every team has
to be represented. Was an All Star because again, the Rockies,
if you haven't looked at the scoreboard or I haven't
looked at the standings right now, they are twenty one
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and sixty nine. So I can see why a team
that is on a historical pace like the Rockies in
the wrong direction, there would be some baseball people out
there would be like, I don't know, man, do you
really have to have somebody represent every team?
Speaker 2 (15:38):
What a team might be the worst team in the
history of baseball.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
But on the other side of that, Hunter Goodman individually
is having an outstanding season.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
I do think both things can be true, don't you.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
So are you asking whether I think each team should
have a representative in the All Star Game?
Speaker 1 (15:57):
I'm asking you partly that, but partly about the grousing
that Hunter Goodman and the Rockies shouldn't have a representative.
I guess more than the browsing just the articles I
read today, they were they were listing the historical relevance
of why well, who.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
You know? I'm thinking you got will Will Smith right
to catch from the Dodgers Will Smith.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Is that okay? I didn't.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
I know I have to too.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Yeah he slapped me right in the face.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Yeah No, But who I mean Hunter Goodman?
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Statistically, even if you didn't follow the Rockies, if you
just look to see, okay, let me let me check
the stats of all the All Star Game participants, his
stats would would merit.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
It really would.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
It strikes me a little bit like we get into
some Pro Bowl discussions right where a player on a
bad team let's just randomly say.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Like, I don't even think like Cleveland Browns. Shelby's not
the town here. But but I am okay they were.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Did you say Jacksonville Jackson I thought.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
So, my bad. All right, So Jacksonville Jaguars, they got it.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
They got a player not you know, nominated for for
the Pro Bowl, and they get into the Pro Bowl
right right, And you're saying, well, that's a really bad team,
like they're they're going nowhere by the beginning December, and
here's here's the guy going into the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
That doesn't make a lot of sense for some people.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
But then you say, well, individually, Brian Thomas Junior was unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
So you don't think you can have good players on
bad teams.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
I do.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
There was a literal articles today that even yesterday when
this came out, saying like this Hunter Goodman deserved to
be in over this other player, that that's a better player.
You didn't make it his own All Star and it's
like want so to make it as an All Star
doesn't make me say he's not a catcher.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
I know, I'm yeah right.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
I would say there's just a lack of content at
this time of year in terms of those who have
to write an article, those who have to do a
talk show. I mean, you know, we all look for
for content. I would be okay with dropping the notion,
dropping the idea that every team has to have a representative.
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I would submit that Hunter Goodman had the kind of
year that even if every team did not have to
have at least one, I think he just still made it.
I reject the idea that you can't be a good
player on a bad team, no matter what professional sport
you're in.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
So I don't know if.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
They'll ever get away, if Major League Baseball will ever
get away from having one on every team. I'm not
even sure how many years ago that takes us back
to when that first started.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
I personally like it, Honestly, I don't really have too
much an issue. I guess in general, I don't overthink,
over analyze, or over I don't know acknowledge All Star voting,
Pro Bowl vote. Like for me, it's just, hey, man,
you're honoring the players that play in the league, and
we can find other things to shout about. Yeah, that's
how I'm more interested. I mean, good for Hunter Goodman
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because he really has had a really good year. Obviously,
I mean Clayton Kershaw, this is the guy that just
recently struck out his three thousandth hitter.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
How about that?
Speaker 4 (19:13):
I'm not sure how many? How many times moving forward?
That's that's gonna happen. That's a bunch of strikeouts, a lot.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Of them against the Rockies. That's what I thought about
when I saw the three thousand, I was like, all those.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
He hit a perfect game against the Rockies, right, I
know he had some motional hitters. Yeah, I know he's
had a couple of no hitters against the Rockies, But
that was one of the first things I was like,
Oh boy, oh.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
I don't did he have a perfect game against the Rockies?
Hold on, I sure as hell hope not, because I
don't remember it. I don't remember it.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I'm gonna look that up because that I know he's
had no hitters. Uh, he's not pitched a perfect game.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
So I'm happy. Yeah, right this.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Time, Yeah, I'll find out. Yeah he had.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
He pitched a no hitter against the Rockies in twenty fourteen.
Twenty fourteen. Yeah, Oh, there's a throwing error. That's why
he did pitch a perfect game. That's why I remember well.
But the error was the only reason why it was
a domins. You know, witch hitter, except that one guy.
That one guy hit a line drive over the fence.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
What does the throw mirrors?
Speaker 4 (20:19):
That's not on playton Kershaw it is when it comes
to a perfect game, you can't have any airs, Young Ryan.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Fair enough, all right, we're off early here.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
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That makes your life a little easier. It certainly makes
my life easier. So another honor sort of handed out.
I don't do the NFL Top one hundred. What do
you think of that? I mean it's voted on by
the players, and they do all these interviews with players
and ask them about the different players. I think there's
a nice little hey man, we're propping up other players
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in the league.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
I think that's kind of cool stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
But Zach Allen came in at number ninety today or
over the weekend. Is there an argument that Zach Allen
is the second best player on defense behind Patcertan?
Speaker 4 (21:35):
What an interesting question that I've never given one minute
that's to think about prior to.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
You posing it the second best player in defense.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
That's my job.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
I think Zach Allen's a very good player. Thinking about
thinking about the other players right now.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Nick Benito probably has maybe a bit of an arguments.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
I think this, I think this defense has I mean
Sirtan is on a level by himself. I think now
two guys that haven't even played it down, if they're healthy,
have established in their prior place of employment that they
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are really good players. Right, So you've got I mean,
you got Drake Greenlaw inside. If Dre's healthy, he's a
hell of an inside linebacker. And telling yeah Hufunga again
if healthy is a real upgrade.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
I think it's safety. So I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
I think Zach would would be right, Zach would be
in the conversation. I think Sirtan again is on a
level by himself.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
I think Benito.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Allen, I think Greenlaw and Hufunga, if healthy, maybe a
little bit unfair because they haven't even played it down here,
but I think the expectations are high, significantly high for
both of those guys to be impact players.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
So yeah, I think you reason that out correctly. Even
when I was thinking about it for the show today,
I was like, I don't know, it feels like a
bit of a stretch to say it. But then I
started doing the same process you did, and I was like, well,
I guess I could maybe maybe make an argument for
Nick Benito, but it's really a one year kind of thing.
Zach Allen has had a couple of really nice years
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here for the Broncos, and you sort of think with
the continuity up on the defensive line, that's only going
to help him. But I also thought of the other
side of this is not only is he playing in
a contract year, there are Broncos fans out there that
are saying, hey, if fans Joseph ends up leaving after
this year, maybe you let Zach Allen go.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
With where's it going you mean to be a head coach?
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah, if he ends up.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Okay, again, the defense is as good as we all
kind of think they have a chance to be that
he's going to get him continue to get interviews, right.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
I think yes, And if the defense is that good,
then I think Vance would be a logical sort of
candidate the next cycle to be a head coach. That said,
I think if you're if let's say the defense is
a top five defense this year in the in the
categories that to me really matter, top five, then if
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Zach Allen at that point, let's say he doesn't get
an extension done, which I'd be a little bit surprised
if he doesn't. But if he doesn't, then if Zach
Allen becomes a free agent, let's say the Broncos, you know,
decide we're not gonna not gonna stand this guy's way.
I mean, I think in order, you've got to be
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a difference maker. If you're a top five defense and
you're regarded as a second best player on the field
on that unit, you have got to be a difference maker.
Now it's a little bit tougher for inside techs to
be difference makers, but Zach Allen from a number standpoint,
he was a difference maker last year, right, he was
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able to get numbers inside where it's a hell of
a lot harder theoretically in terms of sacks as opposed
to the guys that are on the edge, So hard
to quantify. But I mean, I think Zach Allen is
a really good football player that you would want to
stay here if you could keep him here.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
I think that's the case too.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
But I see where some people are coming from where
you sort of just let the season play out. I mean,
you hate to sort of let the market dictate your decisions, right,
typically speaking, you don't want to have to compete with
other teams for a player that you covet. So if
you've used Zach Allen as one of your top two,
top three, tough or whatever it is. But then if
you get all the way to free agency, like they
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did with DJ Jones, then you risk the fact that
he may not want cut some kind of deal with
you here, like a hometown discount. And especially is the
case that the say Vance Joseph Police John Franklin Myers
of course is also in this mix right, a little
bit older, but certainly very valuable to what you could do.
You could play this thing out and you could let
the season go and then get to the end of
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it and say, all right, when we got to the
end of the thing, who do we think is the
most important player up front? We already pay DJ Jones.
That's done. We could continue to bring back Malcolm Roach
on one year contract.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Pay DJ Jones a lot less money than they will
have to pay Zach Allen.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Very true, very very true.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
NFL teams generally speaking, want to wait until the last
sort of moment before they commit tens of millions of
dollars to a player or the player it's so obvious
and the player is such a difference maker that they
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want to do it early in the process in hopes
of getting some sort of discount because the player's young,
and you give them money, you guarantee money and his
whatever year, and he's probably gonna if he stays healthy,
he's going to get to another contract, So you might
be able to get a deal done there. So that thinking,
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you know, that that thinking might put the Broncos in
the camp of wanting to let things play out right,
to see how this season goes.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Yeah, because if they decide, for argument's sake, since we're
in the part of the season. Right before training camp starts,
anything can happen. Let's just say Nick Benito's the guy
to prioritize. They just say, you know what, this guy's
the youngest ending player that we drafted, we've developed, he's
a rising star. We're going to get that contract done.
If they do that, it feels to me that you're
going to let some of those other ones go a
little bit. Maybe you get into December and maybe you
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just said that they get there.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
They can't do all of them on the same time frame.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Exactly, so then you're waiting for something. Right at that point,
you're gonna you're gonna wait on somebody.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Well, mate, again, maybe they're trying to get teams also,
I think have discussions within the organization. And we used
to call it as players, we used to call it
irreplaceable talent. So most of the talent in the NFL,
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this comes from a former NFL player, is deemed replaceable.
You might not want to and players don't like hearing that.
And there are some guys that are in the irreplaceable category.
Most guys, you know, if you had to, I could
find another one of them, and it might look like him,
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and it might be and we might be able to
get him for less money. That's how I think. I
believe that's how NFL franchises think. Because there's a budget,
there's a finite number of dollars that you can spend.
How do you allocate all of that money? So irreplaceable guys,
you've got to try to get them locked up and
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quickly replaceable guy. There's probably another category a really good,
hard to replace right, But the majority of the league, unfortunately,
I think, is viewed by their their the teams as
bleat bean replaceable. So is Zach Allen. I think Zach
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Allen would be in the he's a he's a really
hard guy to replace. He would not be in the irreplaceable.
Benito might be a little higher than Zach Allen because
he's an edge rusher and he's younger, so you know,
all those things factor in. But but one thing that
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we can come to the conclusion of NFL teams don't
like to spend money unless.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
They absolutely have to complete.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
At least.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
I had a friend of mine that saw the stones.
Were they here? No?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Yeah, the last year they did the state and the
power field.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
I saw him one time in a power field, but
it wasn't last year that said.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
I mean, like, Mick Jagger's got to be.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
What eighty oh here he was like, dude, this guy
is bouncing all over the long eighty one.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Just so you know, I was kidding.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
More power to him, But no, I was never a huge,
huge Stones fan.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
I saw him one time as well. And this was
an Albuquerque when I was in high school.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Sola right there you go, twenty five years ago.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Yeah, exactly, So thank you. That was very kind of
you would years. Yeah, this is it sounded initially like
maybe it's longer.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
You had to make it sound worse, you know, high
school for you was a quarter century ago.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Oh my god, you don't want to get into my
high school days.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
But I saw him high school.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
It was It was quite literally the loudest concert I've
ever been to. It was an outdoor concert and my
ears were rying for about a week because I didn't
think that, you know, in high school, I don't think
at the time bring ear protection or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
We're there. And and also, by the way.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
It's not ear protection you needed, right.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
There's other there's other things as yeah, sure, sure, but
it was U all right. Hey, by the way, three three,
three oh four.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Are you guys worried about Courtland Sutton getting traded this year?
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Good question, right? Worried?
Speaker 2 (31:30):
I don't know is this something to worry about. It
feels to me that you what would you.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
Put the percentage on that Courtland Sudden so I wouldn't
be worried. But if you said it was this to
this percent having to total one hundred.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
I feel me myself. I feel seventy percent.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
He's here, like I think, I think the lean, the
strong lean is he is going to be here.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
They'll figure something out.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
I don't know if they're going to give him everything
he wants, but my belief is that are going to
talk the misselves into keeping him this year.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
That's my feel right as of July seventh.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
What about you, I think I've come around.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
I think my answer to that question, A part of
it would be based on how camp goes for everybody
in that room, for Courtland.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
For Devon, Pat Bryan's, Pat.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
Mar Mims, right at Troy Franklin. I think I think
there will. I think that room will have much focus
on it.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
So kind of like what you saw with Tim Patrick
last year, where after the end of camp you were like,
you know what now.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Of course they brought in Josh Reynolds as well.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Yeah, And I also think.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
I would lean the way you're leaning in terms of
Courtland being here. Now, if a team loses a starting
receiver and they are desperate, do they call the Broncos
and make them an offer that the Broncos just feel like, hey,
we have to do this. I think that's possible. But
(33:16):
I would lean towards Courtland being here this year. And
I've again, I've come around because I think there were times,
yes in the off season.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Where I'm like, man, I don't know. I you know,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
And I understand why you'd say I don't know, because
based on what we are hearing as far as what
he wants and what we think the team we don't know.
But what we think the team is looking for just
seems so far apart. Like just and we've had been
in here in studio when he's saying, hey, he's looking
twenty five million plus because he thinks he's in the
ballpark of T Higgins and he looks at his numbers,
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and he looks at Higgins numbers and says, why am
I making less than this guy?
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Yeah, you have.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
I think you have to as a receiver.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
I mean, you have to have complete confidence in your bill,
and you have to have an agent that understands the marketplace.
And why wouldn't Courtland and his agent look at the
dl T Higgins gut and say, okay, well we've got
to be close to that. But you know, again, the
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league has changed in so many different ways over the
years from a long time ago when I played, But
one of the things that has not changed is whose
opinion matters most. And a player, I mean, you have
to have confidence in your own ability that hey, I'm
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worth this, here's what I bring to the table, I'm
good in the locker room, whatever. But whose opinion matters
most in contract details is management and coaching staff.
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Dave my friend, good to see you. How are you good?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
See you? Rhyme? How's your weekend?
Speaker 1 (00:17):
I was pretty good. We you know, celebrate your life
fourth barbecuing. It's always an important thing to do. And
we got a kitten, so that was it nice?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Right, Yeah, it was one of those things that kind
of came together a little fast. You know, I'm more
of a methodical kind of person when it comes.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
To bigger decisions.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I'm sure that you're surprised to hear that, but you know,
once the wife and the kids they got excited about
a kit.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
And we, uh, yeah, we just went and got it.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
So sometimes you gotta do it. You're not, are you
a cat guy?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
You know? I I was a dog first of my
entire life until the last couple of years when i've
I've we're now more a little bit more cat people.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
But I love both.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
I do.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
We just haven't. We don't have a dog currently, does
mean we'll get one someday. But dog people, I think
dog dog people.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Can be cat people too.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
But if you're a dog person normally you love dogs,
you you can like cats.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
At least that would be my experience.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yeah, and honestly for most of my life, not that
anyways necessarily caring about this, but most of my life
I would say that I didn't understand cats.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I really wasn't. I didn't understand well.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Not really, and even to this day, with now three cats,
for crying out loud, I wouldn't say that I actually
understand them at all. But when they choose you, like
when they come and snuggle up and lay on you.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
There's something really cool to do.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Cats.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yeah, yeah, because dog dogs.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Are pretty predictable generally speaking. Yeah, they wag the tail.
The're pretty excited to see it. Yeah, and that's great.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
You would say like cats are more if we were
doing quake cats to a human, cats would be more like,
I don't know, females, and dogs would be males.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I refer like teenagers, like because I want to extende,
it would be teenage. Yeah, I catch are like teenagers.
You know when they're like teenagers. There are moments and
again I have two teenagers, you of course have a Yeah,
there's like those moments when they go, you know, I
love you dad, or they just say something nice so
they go out of their way to do something nice.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
We call that heartwarming moments. Right.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Cats are kind of like that, like and you have
to just sort of trust that it's going to happen
again sometimes.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Yeah, you don't know why that's the female analogy. I mean,
I mean that's not even in a disparaging way. I
just think it's accurate.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I just want to stay out of hot water for
you do like ten minutes of the show. Yeah, that's
all I'm am aiming for right now. I feel like
if I say teenagers, you know, there'll be some eye
rolls in the car they're driving around. But say female,
oh boy, that's a problem my entire timeline, and I
hear you it would be pleasant.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Anyways, how was your weekend?
Speaker 1 (02:50):
My friend?
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Good? Yeah? No?
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Fourth fourth is you know, always fun you get family
and he remember it a good time?
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Do I remember the fourth?
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Well?
Speaker 1 (03:02):
I just it's funny because we've had these conversations where
like we'll leave the show, and'll be like, what did
you talk about?
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Like I don't remember.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Oh no, listen, that's totally different, like family and holidays
and all that. I certainly remember doing this show. Maybe
not so much. Okay, yeah, Like as soon as the
show is over, within I don't know, ninety seconds, it's
a complete clean slate for me. That's the only way
(03:29):
you can do talk radio for any length of time.
And if you stew or try to figure out like
what did that mean? Like back in the day we
took callers, what did that caller mean when he said
that you drive? I mean, you're one of those guys
that drives yourself crazy. You grow beerd do you live
in the attic? Do you eat apple sauce all the time?
And it's just not a good thing. I do love
(03:50):
it apple sauce. I like apple sauce too, but not
the beer in the attic?
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Right, I think I stew on those things a little longer.
But once again, this is.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
What I've done this longer than you.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
This is what we call sage advice about being a
talk show host.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
If you the longer you do it.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
I mean, honestly, not not that we can't be passionate
and one hundred percent reel on topics from time to time.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
But there is a.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
There is an element of entertainment that I think almost
encourages you at times to say things where when you
leave the show, you're like, I didn't really even mean that,
I don't even believe that, and yet that's what I said, right, so.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Like stickybacks and oh well yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Never said I didn't believe in that.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
So anyways, Yeah, so listen, I understand that is good
sage advice. Certainly, I will try to interprise that as
we continue to go. All right, we were actually quite
a bit to get to over the next hour and
a half. The Yonis Valan Shooters saga over the weekend.
I'm not sure you saw the latest updates on it.
So he's staying with the Nuggets, Well that's what they want.
(05:08):
I don't know if he's staying with the Nuggets. Do
you think he's staying with the Nuggets? Oh? Yeah, do
you think after everything that we learned over the weekend?
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Yes, Okay, I would say the probability is that Jonas
Valentunis Jonas Valentnis will play in Denver this fall.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Okay, And that's in part because a he's under contract
is a significant portion, this big portion of this, and
be the Nuggets already told him, no, we intend for
you to play for us.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
That's right, Okay, I mean this, I mean he signed
the contract, the contract is valid, and this, I mean
this is a this.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Is a big deal for the Nuggets.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
It's not like that, this is sort of a fringe
player that you know, might have a hard time making
the final roster, a veteran who they they gave a
two way contract to. We're hoping, you know, at age
thirty nine, he's going to be able to give us
a few minutes. It's not like that at all. This
is the best backup post player the Nuggets have had
(06:13):
in a long time. This guy is legitimate, a legitimate force,
legitimate player inside, and I mean he's perfect with respect
to Jokic getting some much needed rest during the regular season.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
So yeah, I think the Nuggets and.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
I applaud the fact that they are fully intending on
doing whatever they.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Have to do to, you know, have him honor this contract.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
You like the precedent it sets of a player that
openly tells you he does not want to be here,
that you say.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Tough, yeah, and I would.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
I would add I would add a word in your vernacular.
I would use tough as an ADDI and then I
would describe poop, but started with s. Sure, that's what
i'd say, like, you know what, tough.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Tough.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
My mother used to say, tough toenails.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
That was her Okay, yeah, all right, tough toenails. No, man,
I mean you signed the deal.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Well, he signed the deal to be somewhere else. He
got traded. He didn't sign the deal with the Nuggets.
He got traded to the Nuggets. Well, no, he he
signed his contract.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
I signed the contract, which is valid with the Nuggets.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
It's valid because he was traded to the Nuggets, but.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Which is valid with the Nuggets.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Listen, I we don't need to get a semantics.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
I agree with you. I agree with you. I just
wonder aloud about that portion of it. First of all,
did the Kings know before they did this trade that
I don't know?
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, we don't know that. I don't know the Nuggs know.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
I mean it would make it would make you sort
of think so because when when we found out that
Dario Sarch was traded straight up for Jonis Valancunis. We're like,
that's the steal, steal the right, How does that happen
to your Nuggets?
Speaker 1 (08:07):
He took a player you had no interest in playing whatsoever,
you got them off your books, and you added a
player that you as absolutely need.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
So if I'm the Nuggets sort of behind the scenes,
I might, very quietly at least it would start quiet,
reach out to the Kings and say, hey, so you
tell me you didn't know anything about this, so I
want to make sure I'm want to make sure I'm
getting the story accurately poortrayed. No, I think rather than
worry about it's setting a precedent, I would worry on
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the other end of the spectrum that if we didn't
fight to make this happen, it sets a precedent for
players that, for whatever reason, get a contract in Europe
or other places and say, you know, I know I'm
under contract here, but I think I'd like to go
play in Botswana.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
By all accounts, it doesn't seem like a play for
more money like oftentimes like we saw with mild scared.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Over the deal, although there is more money involved over
a length of time.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
In this case, if he goes.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
To Greece, which is true, which is true.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
So it felt like when this first came out, that
was one of the first things I thought of.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
It was like, does he really want more money? Is
this is a play?
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Are the Nuggets getting played in this process understanding that
they may need him more than he needs them kind
of deal? But now reading it over the course of
the weekend and again the latest updates. We heard from
Sham's a couple of days ago, he said that the
Nuggets informed him that he was under contract and they
want him to play. This morning, there was a report
(09:42):
saying that his agent, over this process, had notified the
Great Team that he wanted to leave the NBA, but
never his agent never reached out to the Nuggets to
let them know. So by that report, I believe the
Nuggets were blindsided by this, like they were not aware
when they made this deal. And maybe that's why the
Kings were, Hey, yeah, take Yota's Valanciunas whatever, man, you know,
(10:04):
we'll take Darthus Startz the expiring contract and we'll move
that off the books and we'll save ourselves some money.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
So it's fascinating to watch. I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
I think that they ultimately lean on that because the
Nuggets really do need this guy. But you got a
couple of new gms, and by name because they're not
really by GM general manager, it's a triumvirant or whatever.
But that group making this decision, I'm just fascinated to
see how they ultimately come to the conclusions that they do,
because you don't know, they've never been in this situation.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
May very few teams have.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
And so to find yourself here, we're a player at
thirty three years old, is saying, you know.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
I've done what I wanted to do in the NBA.
I've been a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
I want to go live in Europe. My family's over
in Europe. I want to be over there. And then
what do you say to that, like the families not
in Greece, Non Greece, in Lithuania.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
So you know, to me, I think the rest of
the NBA, you mentioned that this is this is a
new front office than it is. The owner is not new,
I would guess. I would speculate that the rest of
the NBA owners are quietly talking to the Nuggets and
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saying and encouraging them, Listen, you gotta hold tide in
this thing.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
You can't. You know, you can't be the good guy
here and say.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Well, we understand you want to go home, so let's
see what we can do to make that happen.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
No, no, no, that's not I mean, he's under contract.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
That's why I think it is all but assured he
will play here, at least for this season.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
The text line here five six sixteen zero says he
won't play hard and he'll be disgruntled.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
He didn't. I mean, I guess that could happen. I
guess that could happen, But he doesn't.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
He doesn't strike me as the kind of guy right
in terms of how he's played in the past.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
He's always been an effort guy.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
I think I would think even if he was not
completely happy with the outcome of the deal, he would
realize that his value as a player would only go
up if he plays through this and plays hard and
plays well.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
But I guess I guess that he could be right
to take.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Yeah, I mean that feels like an extreme example.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
I guess he could be a little cantankerous maybe in
the locker room, right, I mean early on, I mean,
and then you're making almost eleven million dollars and your
you have potential on this team to buy for a championship.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Now maybe that's not the most important thing at this
stage in your life.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
I mean, we won't know until we actually talk to
you on this, but you know, based on just the
read of the situation, it's like maybe he had come
to this conclusion before this trade even had like sort
of like, hey, you know what, I think I've reached
a point.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
This is just what i want to do. And because they.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Obviously the agent been communicating with Greece, because this happened
right like two days after the trade went down, we're like, oh, oh,
he thinks he's going to Greece.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
So then you sort of play that.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Out and say, Okay, well he visited Greece over the weekend,
like he was out there, and they.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
It's going to be in Denver tomorrow, right, probably, right,
I believe, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
I think that's right.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
So it's amazing how it's like, Okay, well, this is
what we want to do, and then the Nuggets say no,
and then it's like okay, I'll be I'll go, I'll
the way back to Denver. Yeah, and I'll play on
my contract because the team option. Now will getting the
nice thing to do regardless of whatever happens this season.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Hopefully he plays well and the Nuggets win a championship.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
But regardless of that is you do let him out
of the team option year if he still if he
still wants to go to Greece, and Greece will still
be there.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Theoretically, I think that's I think that's something the Nuggets
would be able to convey to him. Hey, listen, you know,
if you if you feel the same way at the
end of the season, after we've played really well and
competed for a championship, and.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
You've played really well, been a great, great.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Addition to the team in the locker room as a teammate,
and you have brought so much to the city of
Denver and to the Nuggets organization in general, that absolutely
we can sit down and talk about you going to
Greece at that point. I mean, that's pretty clear, isn't it.
What we expect from you in terms of behavior and
your production and how you go about your business this
(14:30):
year at the Nuggets. So that's I think they will
get there. I think both sides will realize, you know,
the Nuggets are serious about this. I know the Nuggets
already realize that, but I think you'll play here and
I think you'll play well.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
So we'll give you guys updated on that throughout the
course of the week. Like you said, if he's going
to be here in Denver tomorrow, PROBA have some more
updates there.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
I want to go shout to Hunter Goodman at.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
All All Star right, Yeah, that is so far in
the first half two eighty one, sixteen homers, fifty Ribby's
and just having.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
An outstanding season.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I think it's tough because I was reading some articles
today and it seems to be of a split decision
about Hunter Goodman as an All Star, and some people
tie it back to the frustrations that every team has
to be represented. Was an All Star because again, the Rockies,
if you haven't looked at the scoreboard or I haven't
looked at the standings right now, they are twenty one
(15:23):
and sixty nine. So I can see why a team
that is on a historical pace like the Rockies in
the wrong direction, there would be some baseball people out
there would be like, I don't know, man, do you
really have to have somebody represent every team?
Speaker 2 (15:38):
What a team might be the worst team in the
history of baseball.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
But on the other side of that, Hunter Goodman individually
is having an outstanding season.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
I do think both things can be true, don't you.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
So are you asking whether I think each team should
have a representative in the All Star Game?
Speaker 1 (15:57):
I'm asking you partly that, but partly about the grousing
that Hunter Goodman and the Rockies shouldn't have a representative.
I guess more than the browsing just the articles I
read today, they were they were listing the historical relevance
of why well, who.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
You know? I'm thinking you got will Will Smith right
to catch from the Dodgers Will Smith.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Is that okay? I didn't.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
I know I have to too.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Yeah he slapped me right in the face.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Yeah No, But who I mean Hunter Goodman?
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Statistically, even if you didn't follow the Rockies, if you
just look to see, okay, let me let me check
the stats of all the All Star Game participants, his
stats would would merit.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
It really would.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
It strikes me a little bit like we get into
some Pro Bowl discussions right where a player on a
bad team let's just randomly say.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Like, I don't even think like Cleveland Browns. Shelby's not
the town here. But but I am okay they were.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Did you say Jacksonville Jackson I thought.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
So, my bad. All right, So Jacksonville Jaguars, they got it.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
They got a player not you know, nominated for for
the Pro Bowl, and they get into the Pro Bowl
right right, And you're saying, well, that's a really bad team,
like they're they're going nowhere by the beginning December, and
here's here's the guy going into the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
That doesn't make a lot of sense for some people.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
But then you say, well, individually, Brian Thomas Junior was unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
So you don't think you can have good players on
bad teams.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
I do.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
There was a literal articles today that even yesterday when
this came out, saying like this Hunter Goodman deserved to
be in over this other player, that that's a better player.
You didn't make it his own All Star and it's
like want so to make it as an All Star
doesn't make me say he's not a catcher.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
I know, I'm yeah right.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
I would say there's just a lack of content at
this time of year in terms of those who have
to write an article, those who have to do a
talk show. I mean, you know, we all look for
for content. I would be okay with dropping the notion,
dropping the idea that every team has to have a representative.
(18:09):
I would submit that Hunter Goodman had the kind of
year that even if every team did not have to
have at least one, I think he just still made it.
I reject the idea that you can't be a good
player on a bad team, no matter what professional sport
you're in.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
So I don't know if.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
They'll ever get away, if Major League Baseball will ever
get away from having one on every team. I'm not
even sure how many years ago that takes us back
to when that first started.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
I personally like it, Honestly, I don't really have too
much an issue. I guess in general, I don't overthink,
over analyze, or over I don't know acknowledge All Star voting,
Pro Bowl vote. Like for me, it's just, hey, man,
you're honoring the players that play in the league, and
we can find other things to shout about. Yeah, that's
how I'm more interested. I mean, good for Hunter Goodman
(19:03):
because he really has had a really good year. Obviously,
I mean Clayton Kershaw, this is the guy that just
recently struck out his three thousandth hitter.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
How about that?
Speaker 4 (19:13):
I'm not sure how many? How many times moving forward?
That's that's gonna happen. That's a bunch of strikeouts, a lot.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Of them against the Rockies. That's what I thought about
when I saw the three thousand, I was like, all those.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
He hit a perfect game against the Rockies, right, I
know he had some motional hitters. Yeah, I know he's
had a couple of no hitters against the Rockies, But
that was one of the first things I was like,
Oh boy, oh.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
I don't did he have a perfect game against the Rockies?
Hold on, I sure as hell hope not, because I
don't remember it. I don't remember it.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I'm gonna look that up because that I know he's
had no hitters. Uh, he's not pitched a perfect game.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
So I'm happy. Yeah, right this.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Time, Yeah, I'll find out. Yeah he had.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
He pitched a no hitter against the Rockies in twenty fourteen.
Twenty fourteen. Yeah, Oh, there's a throwing error. That's why
he did pitch a perfect game. That's why I remember well.
But the error was the only reason why it was
a domins. You know, witch hitter, except that one guy.
That one guy hit a line drive over the fence.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
What does the throw mirrors?
Speaker 4 (20:19):
That's not on playton Kershaw it is when it comes
to a perfect game, you can't have any airs, Young Ryan.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Fair enough, all right, we're off early here.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
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Speaker 2 (20:54):
Like you have in your car.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
You can set Kowa Ki sports as presets, so please do.
That makes your life a little easier. It certainly makes
my life easier. So another honor sort of handed out.
I don't do the NFL Top one hundred. What do
you think of that? I mean it's voted on by
the players, and they do all these interviews with players
and ask them about the different players. I think there's
a nice little hey man, we're propping up other players
(21:17):
in the league.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
I think that's kind of cool stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
But Zach Allen came in at number ninety today or
over the weekend. Is there an argument that Zach Allen
is the second best player on defense behind Patcertan?
Speaker 4 (21:35):
What an interesting question that I've never given one minute
that's to think about prior to.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
You posing it the second best player in defense.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
That's my job.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
I think Zach Allen's a very good player. Thinking about
thinking about the other players right now.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Nick Benito probably has maybe a bit of an arguments.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
I think this, I think this defense has I mean
Sirtan is on a level by himself. I think now
two guys that haven't even played it down, if they're healthy,
have established in their prior place of employment that they
(22:21):
are really good players. Right, So you've got I mean,
you got Drake Greenlaw inside. If Dre's healthy, he's a
hell of an inside linebacker. And telling yeah Hufunga again
if healthy is a real upgrade.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
I think it's safety. So I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
I think Zach would would be right, Zach would be
in the conversation. I think Sirtan again is on a
level by himself.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
I think Benito.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Allen, I think Greenlaw and Hufunga, if healthy, maybe a
little bit unfair because they haven't even played it down here,
but I think the expectations are high, significantly high for
both of those guys to be impact players.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
So yeah, I think you reason that out correctly. Even
when I was thinking about it for the show today,
I was like, I don't know, it feels like a
bit of a stretch to say it. But then I
started doing the same process you did, and I was like, well,
I guess I could maybe maybe make an argument for
Nick Benito, but it's really a one year kind of thing.
Zach Allen has had a couple of really nice years
(23:28):
here for the Broncos, and you sort of think with
the continuity up on the defensive line, that's only going
to help him. But I also thought of the other
side of this is not only is he playing in
a contract year, there are Broncos fans out there that
are saying, hey, if fans Joseph ends up leaving after
this year, maybe you let Zach Allen go.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
With where's it going you mean to be a head coach?
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah, if he ends up.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Okay, again, the defense is as good as we all
kind of think they have a chance to be that
he's going to get him continue to get interviews, right.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
I think yes, And if the defense is that good,
then I think Vance would be a logical sort of
candidate the next cycle to be a head coach. That said,
I think if you're if let's say the defense is
a top five defense this year in the in the
categories that to me really matter, top five, then if
(24:24):
Zach Allen at that point, let's say he doesn't get
an extension done, which I'd be a little bit surprised
if he doesn't. But if he doesn't, then if Zach
Allen becomes a free agent, let's say the Broncos, you know,
decide we're not gonna not gonna stand this guy's way.
I mean, I think in order, you've got to be
(24:44):
a difference maker. If you're a top five defense and
you're regarded as a second best player on the field
on that unit, you have got to be a difference maker.
Now it's a little bit tougher for inside techs to
be difference makers, but Zach Allen from a number standpoint,
he was a difference maker last year, right, he was
(25:07):
able to get numbers inside where it's a hell of
a lot harder theoretically in terms of sacks as opposed
to the guys that are on the edge, So hard
to quantify. But I mean, I think Zach Allen is
a really good football player that you would want to
stay here if you could keep him here.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
I think that's the case too.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
But I see where some people are coming from where
you sort of just let the season play out. I mean,
you hate to sort of let the market dictate your decisions, right,
typically speaking, you don't want to have to compete with
other teams for a player that you covet. So if
you've used Zach Allen as one of your top two,
top three, tough or whatever it is. But then if
you get all the way to free agency, like they
(25:51):
did with DJ Jones, then you risk the fact that
he may not want cut some kind of deal with
you here, like a hometown discount. And especially is the
case that the say Vance Joseph Police John Franklin Myers
of course is also in this mix right, a little
bit older, but certainly very valuable to what you could do.
You could play this thing out and you could let
the season go and then get to the end of
(26:13):
it and say, all right, when we got to the
end of the thing, who do we think is the
most important player up front? We already pay DJ Jones.
That's done. We could continue to bring back Malcolm Roach
on one year contract.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Pay DJ Jones a lot less money than they will
have to pay Zach Allen.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Very true, very very true.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
NFL teams generally speaking, want to wait until the last
sort of moment before they commit tens of millions of
dollars to a player or the player it's so obvious
and the player is such a difference maker that they
(26:51):
want to do it early in the process in hopes
of getting some sort of discount because the player's young,
and you give them money, you guarantee money and his
whatever year, and he's probably gonna if he stays healthy,
he's going to get to another contract, So you might
be able to get a deal done there. So that thinking,
(27:12):
you know, that that thinking might put the Broncos in
the camp of wanting to let things play out right,
to see how this season goes.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Yeah, because if they decide, for argument's sake, since we're
in the part of the season. Right before training camp starts,
anything can happen. Let's just say Nick Benito's the guy
to prioritize. They just say, you know what, this guy's
the youngest ending player that we drafted, we've developed, he's
a rising star. We're going to get that contract done.
If they do that, it feels to me that you're
going to let some of those other ones go a
little bit. Maybe you get into December and maybe you
(27:40):
just said that they get there.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
They can't do all of them on the same time frame.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Exactly, so then you're waiting for something. Right at that point,
you're gonna you're gonna wait on somebody.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Well, mate, again, maybe they're trying to get teams also,
I think have discussions within the organization. And we used
to call it as players, we used to call it
irreplaceable talent. So most of the talent in the NFL,
(28:12):
this comes from a former NFL player, is deemed replaceable.
You might not want to and players don't like hearing that.
And there are some guys that are in the irreplaceable category.
Most guys, you know, if you had to, I could
find another one of them, and it might look like him,
(28:34):
and it might be and we might be able to
get him for less money. That's how I think. I
believe that's how NFL franchises think. Because there's a budget,
there's a finite number of dollars that you can spend.
How do you allocate all of that money? So irreplaceable guys,
you've got to try to get them locked up and
(28:55):
quickly replaceable guy. There's probably another category a really good,
hard to replace right, But the majority of the league, unfortunately,
I think, is viewed by their their the teams as
bleat bean replaceable. So is Zach Allen. I think Zach
(29:16):
Allen would be in the he's a he's a really
hard guy to replace. He would not be in the irreplaceable.
Benito might be a little higher than Zach Allen because
he's an edge rusher and he's younger, so you know,
all those things factor in. But but one thing that
(29:36):
we can come to the conclusion of NFL teams don't
like to spend money unless.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
They absolutely have to complete.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
At least.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
I had a friend of mine that saw the stones.
Were they here? No?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Yeah, the last year they did the state and the
power field.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
I saw him one time in a power field, but
it wasn't last year that said.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
I mean, like, Mick Jagger's got to be.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
What eighty oh here he was like, dude, this guy
is bouncing all over the long eighty one.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Just so you know, I was kidding.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
More power to him, But no, I was never a huge,
huge Stones fan.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
I saw him one time as well. And this was
an Albuquerque when I was in high school.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Sola right there you go, twenty five years ago.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Yeah, exactly, So thank you. That was very kind of
you would years. Yeah, this is it sounded initially like
maybe it's longer.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
You had to make it sound worse, you know, high
school for you was a quarter century ago.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Oh my god, you don't want to get into my
high school days.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
But I saw him high school.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
It was It was quite literally the loudest concert I've
ever been to. It was an outdoor concert and my
ears were rying for about a week because I didn't
think that, you know, in high school, I don't think
at the time bring ear protection or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
We're there. And and also, by the way.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
It's not ear protection you needed, right.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
There's other there's other things as yeah, sure, sure, but
it was U all right. Hey, by the way, three three,
three oh four.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Are you guys worried about Courtland Sutton getting traded this year?
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Good question, right? Worried?
Speaker 2 (31:30):
I don't know is this something to worry about. It
feels to me that you what would you.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
Put the percentage on that Courtland Sudden so I wouldn't
be worried. But if you said it was this to
this percent having to total one hundred.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
I feel me myself. I feel seventy percent.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
He's here, like I think, I think the lean, the
strong lean is he is going to be here.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
They'll figure something out.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
I don't know if they're going to give him everything
he wants, but my belief is that are going to
talk the misselves into keeping him this year.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
That's my feel right as of July seventh.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
What about you, I think I've come around.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
I think my answer to that question, A part of
it would be based on how camp goes for everybody
in that room, for Courtland.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
For Devon, Pat Bryan's, Pat.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
Mar Mims, right at Troy Franklin. I think I think
there will. I think that room will have much focus
on it.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
So kind of like what you saw with Tim Patrick
last year, where after the end of camp you were like,
you know what now.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Of course they brought in Josh Reynolds as well.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Yeah, And I also think.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
I would lean the way you're leaning in terms of
Courtland being here. Now, if a team loses a starting
receiver and they are desperate, do they call the Broncos
and make them an offer that the Broncos just feel like, hey,
we have to do this. I think that's possible. But
(33:16):
I would lean towards Courtland being here this year. And
I've again, I've come around because I think there were times,
yes in the off season.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Where I'm like, man, I don't know. I you know,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
And I understand why you'd say I don't know, because
based on what we are hearing as far as what
he wants and what we think the team we don't know.
But what we think the team is looking for just
seems so far apart. Like just and we've had been
in here in studio when he's saying, hey, he's looking
twenty five million plus because he thinks he's in the
ballpark of T Higgins and he looks at his numbers,
(33:50):
and he looks at Higgins numbers and says, why am
I making less than this guy?
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Yeah, you have.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
I think you have to as a receiver.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
I mean, you have to have complete confidence in your bill,
and you have to have an agent that understands the marketplace.
And why wouldn't Courtland and his agent look at the
dl T Higgins gut and say, okay, well we've got
to be close to that. But you know, again, the
(34:18):
league has changed in so many different ways over the
years from a long time ago when I played, But
one of the things that has not changed is whose
opinion matters most. And a player, I mean, you have
to have confidence in your own ability that hey, I'm
(34:38):
worth this, here's what I bring to the table, I'm
good in the locker room, whatever. But whose opinion matters
most in contract details is management and coaching staff.
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