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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'll be Friday. Everybody welcome to it. They've logan Ryan
Edwards end. Of course he isn't drinking rich No, but
maybe I should get started Friday. Nice way to start
the show there, Grant. I'm glad you you went to
another thing other than the diaper. If I had to
wear the diaper, I was hoping you would maybe switch
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up a little bit.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
That's been playing the hits man, I mean, is your musician,
you get it, play the hits. You gotta play the
hits you gotta. You know, you show up to the
concert if you're.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Like, hey, here's all my deep cuts and your hit
is if I had If I had it, who knew
when I said that your entire career would still be
playing this two years later. I had to wear the diaper,
I would do it. Okay, shells, the mullets, and then uh,
you'd wear the diaper. Right. All of those you guys
play all on a regular basis. We want to keep
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you in the forefront of our listener's minds. Anything that's
positive that you're putting out all positive positive. They played
Tiger Piss for me, Oh they do? Oh yeah, get
off my lawns. The one for me. They thing, all right, well,
thank you for including me. It's appreciate it. The HiT's
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all right. I mean, if you showed up on the show,
we're throwing this out. If you shut up on the
show and we didn't play that, people would think that
you that's exactly right. Oh so this is a sign
of and what's the tiger piss things? Well? Quickly, yeah,
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I told the story of down in Port of Ireta.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
They're right close in the Paradise Village area. They have
like a small zoo and they had two big tigers
that people could walk by in their way little various stores.
And so we're walking by one day in the late lady, oh,
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an old lady is like up in the cage and
she's like trying to get the tiger's attention, and the
tiger's laying down like you know, just she's in the cage. No, no, no,
she's up at the cage, like up at the cage,
and it says clearly, do not touch the cage. You know.
It says that, all right, in both English and Spanish.
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And as she was too close to the cage, the
tiger from about me to you hit her with the
fire hose piss. Really yes, and they say and then
Al at the time said, what a smell like? I said,
it smelled like tiger pits, smelled like tiger piss. It
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would smell like which you know, nobody would really know
what that smells like. No, just have to have that
strong of stream. And all three of us know what
we're talking about. I have a tiger story. They don't
have any prostate problems them tigers. No, apparently not like
a fire hose. Oh, knock your cap off. Do you remember?
Because it was the talk of the building when we
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did it. We had a tiger and studio. This is
probably twenty years ago. It was the talk of the
building and Nita, rob and I knew about it. It
was it was a Siberian tiger. It was three years old.
A guy had it on a leash, and we all
completely trusted this guy. Like, this guy walks in with
a tiger on a leash, and we assumed this guy's
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got everything under contra I wouldn't do it right, right,
that's what you would do right. And we had the
tiger eat raw meat off of Boomzilla's back on the show.
Boomzilla was our stunt guy, and you wonder about the
Broncos really and you wonder, I mean, and looking back
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on it, it was the dumbest thing I've ever done.
Now there, I love you, But there have been some
other things you've done that are maybe a couple that
is right up there. And then they let the tiger.
I got up again the wall. The tiger got up,
put his paws on my back and his head right
next to my ear. What that feeling you get? It's
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a primal fear that you get when that happens. This
is all. And I are looking at you, like, what
is wrong with you? I would agree, I'm looking back
and I going, what the hell were you thinking? That
was dumb? And Lee Larson? You remember Lee? Of course
he hired me Lee Larson and Brian I don't think
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he worked here when Lee was here. Brian, I said, Ryan,
you said, Brian, Okay. Lee Larson had a meltdown because
we didn't clear it with him. Oh my god. But
you didn't clear you having a live tiger this newdea
with the market manager. But luckily we cleared it with
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the program director, so he didn't fire us. Joe Bebloqua,
you were making too much money for him to fire.
We were lovely. Yeah, yeah, we we had a little
bit of leverage back then. Lee didn't like you. Oh
I think they liked No, Lee liked Wax. I'm just
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saying I know he liked Wax. He yes he did. Yeah, yeah,
I didn't hear the why.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Just glad that you were around for us to play
the diaper cut now at this point, I mean that's
this year.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah. Really, I don't think there's any way to talk that.
A live tiger in studio. Well, we've got you wearing
the suit with the back of the back of suit.
We'll think of a couple. Yeah, that's gonna be interesting.
Why am I here again? No, we're exciting. What am
I doing here? Greg? What am I doing here? Grateful
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my good friend Dave Logan, that's what's happening here. You're
the dummy that brought the tiger in. That was years ago.
That had nothing to do with me. So crawl up
your back on your Oh my god, never forget. I
do lots of things. I would never do that. I
can't believe I did it. It was on TV though,
you know when there's a camera rollert We had a
TV show at the time too. When there's a camera
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roll it, you'll do things you normally wouldn't do. It
was for entertainment purpose. That's called porn. Don't try this
at home. Yea, yeah, right, that's that's what that's called.
It was the things that you normally wouldn't do. You
are And then the title is Eric is Hot Summer. Yeah,
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that's that's when you're describing. You need this energy drinked down.
I'm good. Let's go. Well, we are excited you were here.
We have a lot to get to. Before we get
to it, I want to do a shot out grant.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
He closed on his first house today.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Thank you guys. Nice going. Yeah, big adult move, adulting. Wow.
One of the biggest check marks you can possi is
you grew up all of a sudden. Does he look taller? Yeah,
there's something about you like a real man. You looked thinner.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
After signing are yeah, no doubt here. Yeah. Well congrats man,
that's awesome and thank you guys.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yeah, and don't worry that the signing your life way stuff.
You didn't really have to read.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
All of it. He's already done that.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yeah, you just signed a bunch of papers. And they
tell you it means one thing. It doesn't it really
does mean that thing. Don't be worried middle of the
night anyways.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
All right, So well that's fun. Today we got uh,
we got Rockies baseball coming up TODAYA.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Four thirty got the Cincinnati Reds last series before the
All Store breaks.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
So looks forward to stamp the Rockies can get back
on track. So maybe not, we'll see about that. Uh.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Today there was an extra pretty big story that does
have some Broncos ties sort of. Ryan Poles, the general
manager of the Chicago Bears, signed an extension two years
before his deal was up. Maybe wonder about George Peyton
because we are right about there, we're about a year
or so away from his contract being up. He signed
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a six year deal back in twenty twenty one, so
he's in the final year and a half of his deal.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
What would first.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Of all, should I get done now? Because Ryan Pull's
at two years left on his deal, so there's an argument.
I guess that you could just get it done. What
would the Pinners Walton Pinner family be looking for this
year in order to feel that they need to do
it after the season.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
What would they be looking for like, why why make
them think they need to do it after the season?
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, Like, why would we want to wait they are
if they are waiting, I think, I mean we've.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Talked a little bit about this. With respect to players contracts.
I think generally speaking, the NFL would want to wait
on most deals as long as they possibly can. I mean,
certainly for players that's the case. Maybe not coaches, and
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I'm not sure about front office types. I think that.
I mean, I would take George Payton every single day
of the year over Ryan Poles me too. No, No,
I mean, no shade, not trying to be disrespectful to Ryan.
I mean I know George better haven't followed as closely
what the Bears have done. I think George has done
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a really nice job. And I think George, I mean
it was it's a little bit like he was almost
standing two feet from the ledge a year plus ago.
Maybe let's see, yeah, close to two years ago. I
think most people in town felt like after the Russell
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Wilson deal and after Sean Payton became the head coach,
I think most people thought, what's going to happen to
George Peyton? And I think if you had taken a
poll at that point, a lot of Broncos fans would
have said he's probably going to get shown the door.
I know this about him well, first of all, and
I'm biased because I like the guy. I think he's
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a grinder. I think he's got really good judgment and
a sense of what a guy on tape, what he
looks like. I think he analyzes tape and he can
see what talent looks like. And I think he's done
a good job sort of figuring out what exactly Sean
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Payton is like and what he's looking for, what does
he want from a GM, and how can I coexist
and help this guy, which in turn will help the
franchise win games. So I would be a proponent of
George sticking around and getting an extension. I don't, honestly,
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I don't have the answer in terms of when I
think that might happen. I haven't had any indication from
anybody that that is not going to happen or that
is imminent in the works.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Like I respect why, I guess in the Bears' minds,
a GM who is fifteen and thirty six, three and
fourteen seven and ten, five and twelve, the last three years.
I guess I respect that they want to tie it
to Ben Johnson, their new head coach, like in their mind, like, hey,
we're we're going down this path.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Maybe that is what we're waiting on here.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Maybe the Broncos ownership would like to see another season
of Sewan and George together. You win some games, you
see bo Nicks take a step forward, maybe you've won
a playoff game, and then you tie both of those
contracts together going forward.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
There might be something going on there, But.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Again, you don't you don't want to get in a
lame duck situation because then I think not only for George,
but his entire staff is kind of impacted by that.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah. I don't know what type of urgency there is
for executives at the top of the NFL food chain,
But like Dave, I really like George Payton. Most people
thought that the Russell Wilson deal, not just bringing Russell over,
but the deal they gave him, would be a fatal mistake.
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Pretty much everybody assumed that. And it seems as if
Sean and George like each other and work really well together.
And I think that's a big factor. And when you
look at if you take the Russell Wilson deal out
of it, which is pretty hard to do. That's the
big elephant in the room. George Peyton's done a heck
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of a job. I guess you probably also take Nathaniel
Hackett out of it too. Nobody's got to win this
game or it is, thank you, coach. Yeah, So that
hiring obviously one of the worst in franchise history and
maybe in NFL history when you go back and look
at it. But they thought Aaron Rodgers was coming. That's
why they hired Nathaniel Hackett. Believe it. And you're right,
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You're absolutely right about that. And I want to continue
on that.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Somebody recently did the worst head coaching hires of all
time and that did not make.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
The number one. What was the worst? You want to
take a guess on the relatively reason the number one
worst higher of all time time in the NFL. Okay,
this is the top ten.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yes, no, top twenty five is what they did. But
this is this was in the last five years. I
would say top twenty five worse. And I haven't prepared
for this at all. I would say, you've.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Got to You've got to. Bobby Petrina would be in
the top twenty five number two, Okay, I would say
Lou Holtz is in the top twenty five.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Lou Holtz is probably in the top Oh it was
just this and just this in the twenty twenties, okay,
in the twenty twenties or two thousands, my apologizes, Oh,
in the twousands, so he wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Be in that one. Buy Josh McDaniels.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Josh McDaniels number four, okay, so in Nathaniel Hocketts number five,
so number one?
Speaker 1 (13:53):
How about less Deckel, So that'd be in the two
thousands or was he? Did he hit pecos here for that? Yeah?
That was before that had one year he went three
and thirteen. When you when you get it, you'll Stephen
Wilkes that's on here, Mudan, Yeah that was a one
and done. Yep, Steve Wilkes is on here. I don't
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know where though, maybe you're not on here. I thought,
what's the number one Urban Meyer? H Yeah, that's you
know what, that's hard to argue against. I told you,
what did you say it? You're like, oh, yeah, all
the other stuff, not just the football but the side circus. Yeah, okay,
that makes sense and Nathaniel Hackett was five.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Was five, Josh Managels was four, Cam Cameron with the
Dolphins one in fifteen Bobby Petrino was three and ten
there with the Falcons, he was number two. Jim tom
Sula was six San Francisco, Marty Morning Wig Detroit, Yeah,
Art Shell, it was horrible Raiders, Matt Patricia, Rob Baronelli.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Rod Marinelli, Yeah, De Troit team. Yeah, you got three
three lives coaches here in the top ten. There you go, Rick,
believe me, I remember well that in sixteen year it
got to the point where I was hoping they would
lose out. I was hoping they would go winless because
they needed something dramatic to happen to change the direction
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of that franchise. And they climbed their bank way back
into a good position now. But Matt Millan two was
a disaster. Yeah, well that was GM gum. I know
as a GM. He was a disaster and they just
kept if they gave him a new contract. So you
wondered had two contracts there? You did? You did? It
was terrible. See you wondered why we hid in here?
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We had to talk lions, Lions, Okay, I'm wearing my
Detroit today too.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Interestingly enough, back to George here for a second, though,
it's it's it's such an under the radar topic, right
we were talking so much about Bonnicks, about Sean, about
what the defense, like you're talking about the headlines of
the Broncos right now, those are all there. George has
been under the radar really since all of the Russell
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Wilson stuff, like like he was a would you say
Dave daily topic for most sports talk radio here in Denver,
George Peyton around the Russell Wilson, Nathaniel Hackett stuff, and
then the subsequent six months or so after that of
wondering when he's going to be out of here, and
now we're about a year into this, it's like, huh,
we don't really talk about George very much.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Well, I mean, I think in fairness, I mean, you
look at his drafts. They've they've been pretty good missing
and in some cases they've been better than pretty good.
So I think as a evaluator of talent, I think
George is George is one of the best best round
and he's the I would guess he's pretty easy to
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work with. So the fact that Sean has been able
to find a way to work with George is It's
not surprising, but I think that was the key, more
so than George finding a way to work with Sean.
I didn't really think that was going to be an issue.
I wondered frankly about Sean, you know, looking to George
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and maybe thinking I'm going to bring I want to
bring one of my own guys in. And George is
very likable, and I think that may have been a factor.
If all that happened with Russell Wilson and Nathaniel Hackett
and George Peyton was a really hard guy to work
with and crabby and nasty to the media, I think
there's probably a decent chance they would have moved on.
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Here's the deal anybody. I think anybody that had the
opportunity to trade for anybody that needed a quarterback felt
like they were headed in the right direction. That's the
one position that we're not good enough and now all
of a sudden, Russell Wilson becomes available. It's it's hindsight
in its absolute worst behavior to say, well, I wouldn't
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I wouldn't obadye that deal for Russell will Yes, you
would have now it's fair to say did he have
to Did he have to then go ahead and renegotiate
the deal? Okay, you if Russell Wilson would have been
anywhere close to what he was in Seattle, then the
new deal probably, even though it was for a buttload
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of money, probably would have made fiscal and financial sense.
It just he just wasn't the same guy. Yeah, everybody,
all of us were excited when they brought russ I was.
I was too, the whole city was. That's the most
excitement for this football team to start a season since
they won the Super Bowl. And it was the the
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extension they gave him that had people right away going, wait, wait,
he's got two years left on the dealer. Why don't
we wait and see how this works out. That was
the mistake. That was the big mistake. And it's tough
to know what was I mean, we don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
We wouldn't know if that was an understanding because he
had a no train clause. So maybe part of waiving
the no trade clause was I'm going to get a
new contract from you guys. Because we found out after
the fact from it was a few weeks ago when
that when the details came out about the sort of
the was the litigation or whatever, the collusion, thank you
grant the collusion that he was pushing He and his
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agent were pushing for a completely fully guaranteed contract. Right,
he won three hundred and fifty million fully guaranteed, so
that had to be in the works. And imagine his
process of the trade. And so you don't bring him
here and your first introduction to him is yeah, you know, actually,
let's just see.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
How these two years a go. Like that probably isn't
gonna go. So well, that's a valid point, I think. Plus,
here's the deal. If he has a year like you hoped,
like you expected, like he even though even though the
last year in Seattle might have been a little bit down,
but if he has the kind of year that he
showed consistently in Seattle, then the price of poker just
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went up. Then what he was asking for, what you
could assigned him for in terms of the extension, that
price went up. So every one of those contracts is
a gamble of some sort. You know, what's really amazing
is how quick they've moved on from that and turn
this whole thing around, even eating all that Russell Wilson money.
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And you got to give a lot of credit to
George Peyton and Sean Payton for how they did that.
It was a quick turnaround. They eat like fifty three
million in year one and made the playoffs. There were
people that said there were people that said you should
just find a way to work with Russell. I remember
those people who who would possibly say something like that.
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I don't know is that that was the talk. I
don't even know who he's referencing here. I do there's
a lot of things that are said a lot of
the time.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Kimily, you're throwing out for under the bus after all
time Friday, we got Rick Lewis's shooty over right back, okayaway.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
And I'll use the word friggin idea of what you
were thinking about. You know, you do a lot of
things for ratings and including risking your life. Apparently that
was two thousand and one with the date on that video.
And what I showed these guys was the tiger getting
on my back. And when they pulled them off my back,
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I looked down at my arm because all the hair
had stood up on my entire body. It's a primal
feeling of you're going to get killed. And then the
noise that tiger was making at the same time, kind
of kind of a growling purr, and you couldn't look
it in the eye, he said, don't look at tiger
in the eye.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I gotta imagine. And again, something I'll never experience in
my entire life. Normal, Dave, Normal, I would say ninety
nine point nine percent of our audience. But I gotta imagine.
There are moments when you think, you know, that could
be pretty tough, like I'm not. Some people out there
are not afraid of really anything. We all should be,
but some people aren't. But when you're confronted with an
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animal like that, that is that I imagine the weight,
even just the weight of the tiger on you. You're just
like I am. I am a small rag doll that
this tiger could pick up and throw across the room
and really not break us.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Wet. Yeah, there was probably six people in the room,
and as we were talking off the air, that tiger
could have killed every one of us if it wanted to.
And it was on a leash, Like, what's the leash
gonna do? Really, this is a questions you're supposed to
ask before ahead by the way he had like a gun.
Maybe the guy was carrying a gun or a tranquilizing
dart he could get before that though. Yeah, I don't know. Yes,
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he would have killed somebody. Yeah, that's god, Rick, that
is the dumbest thing I've ever done on the radio.
Probably dumbest thing I've ever done life. Looking back at it,
that video just gave me the chills. It's like there's
a Simpsons meme out there. It's like, no, it's the
dumbest thing you've done so far. Well that's not the case,
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that's right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Well, hope we'll hopefully you've learned some lesson. I want
to finish over our conversation here about George Payton. There's
one more thing that I think that kind of goes
to the point or the conversation about why he should
be extended and aside from our personal feelings when you
brought up about his drafting, it's it's not only the
players were good players, it's that Sean has liked them too. Right,
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You're getting extensions on these players, on players that were
drafted before Sean got here. That's I mean, for me,
just one more indication kind of where that relationship as
you extended now Pastor Tanay defensive player of the year,
best cornerback in the league. That's that's an easy one.
Quinn miners. It's a really good player. Seawn didn't necessarily
have to love him when he first moves he got here,
he brought into offensive lineman.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Would great established who else was involved in making the
point about the Russell Wilson deal? Okay, I can't remember,
and Sean Payton should have to work with Russell Wilson
and they've got so much dead cap stuff. Now this
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makes zero sense. I can't remember. Ryan, just think about
that and let me know. So I would say this
with respect to George Peyton. Of course you do, George Peyton.
I remember there were people that were like out of
their minds upset that at nine they took Pat Surtan
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and not Justin Fields. People are still my comment, Oh,
who possibly could be upset based on what we've seen
that the Broncos took Pat Surtan who was the defensive
player of the year and didn't take Justin Fields. It's
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a mutual friend. Seriously, still still upset about him. Doesn't
really know much about football. Is in radios. I know,
I know what you're talking about too, and I love him,
but you know what, you know, I'm right this case.
And I said at the time, Hey, you know, I
think they liked Justin Fields. I don't think they loved him.
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Do you take a quarterback at nine if you don't
love him. No, they had a chance to trade for him.
They had a chance to trade for him when Chicago
let him go, could have him for basically nothing. And
the way it played out, of course with PS two
Defensive Player of the Year, I mean, obviously he made
the right choice there. And I'm not anti Justin Fields.
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I do think his skill set is still worthy of
somebody working with him. I still think he has a
chance to develop into a solid NFL quarterback. I really do.
And I'm looking forward to seeing what he does this
year with the Jets. Man, I think that's like the
Steelers in Week one. I know, Man, isn't that great?
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That'll be really interesting. That's going to be really interesting.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
My rebuttal quickly because it feels like you need you
need this because as soon as this as off.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Air, we're saw responsible for what comes out of our
pie hole. And I'm I'm fired with that. Listen, all right,
I mean I don't need anything equivocate. I didn't say it.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
I may find qualifiers, yep, but the fact is I
will ride on both counts, absolutely own the things that
come out of my piehole.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
You're sort of forced to here, But go ahead, I said.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
After your one, because see that's the thing you're missing here.
You're you're making this sound like I said this on
day one of Sean Payne. I said this after year one. Absolutely,
you're right when we saw improvement from Russ right, not
nearly what we saw from Bone next, but at the time,
this is before they draft the bonus.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
That's right. I just want to acknowledge when you're right.
I'm on your side. Oh, go ahead, I believe that.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
So right right after the season, I said, listen, year
two of Sean Payton with Russell Wilson should be better.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Yep. Doesn't guarantee anything, but it should be better. Now.
Of course, the fracture relationship didn't like the idea. You
pooh poohed the idea of them getting rid of Russell
Wilson and the contract and the contract. Yes, and you
said in this case, and others said, that's where the
owner should come in and say, you know what, you're
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going to work with him this year and we're going
to win games.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
I think some owners might have. I'm glad that great
Pinner and the Walton Pinner group did not do that.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
I'm glad. I mean, we're seeing to take you even
though you advocated for that to happen.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah, because I have more information now, I could say
at the time that I felt justified in that case.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
That's called hindsight. Being twenty twenty, you get the benefit
of hindsight putting in on No, no, no, I said
it before I said what did I say? I said,
this head coach is not going to work work with
this quarterback ever, and no matter what happens, that's where
we are. Let's go to the judge.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Here.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Do you see where I was. I'm I'm referencing here
Rick Lewis Seigerman. That's good. That's a nickname. Actually I
could live with that. I I remember the discussion. I
probably had that with you guys at that time as well,
and there was an argument to be made. I think that, uh,
(28:28):
you're paying this guy all this money he vastly approved
with Sean Payton, why not see what happens one more year.
I think you could make that argument, and we probably
did at the time, but I am certain Sean Payton
had no intention of ever doing that, and and Dave
(28:49):
would say the same thing. So what's amazing is it
it worked out so well? You think so you think
you can make the argument even even in hindsight that
had Sean Payton been worse. Two have kept Russell Wilson
that the Broncos last year, no matter what they do
with bon Knicks, Let's say they draft him and just
don't blame Russell Wilson. Last year, the Broncos would have
(29:12):
made the playoffs. In hindsight, I would say probably not.
But nobody in hindsight, you couldn't make the argument to
do something. No, I'm talking before we knew what bone
Nicks did. This is before last season. Uh, and nobody
would have predicted bone Nicks would have the year that
he had as a rookie quarterback. But it all worked
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out so well for them. The guy that drafted the
guy that drafted him, he knew, he knew more than everybody.
And would they have made the playoffs with Russ? You know,
they just didn't work well. Together. There's some things that
Russ did well at times, but him and Sean Payton man,
they were they were not a good couple as as
(29:54):
a head coach and quarterback. I think that was a
big issue. The relationships. Chemistry. Yeah, the relationships what it is.
But and we'll never know.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Russell Wilson threw for andy two yards sixteen passing touchdowns,
five interceptions. He also one hundred and fifty five rushing
yards and two touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
I mean, eleven games. It's not Russ was great to me.
I got nothing against Russell. But if Russell was that,
why is he not still in Pittsburgh? They desperately need
a quarterback. They just signed a guy who's sixty five
years old. I mean, great question. Why is Russell in
New York? And and frankly, I'm just telling you, I
(30:36):
think the rookie may wind up starting early early this fall.
Russ has one more Super Bowl ring and two more
Super Bowl appearances than Dave. That is true. We've seen
what he can do with the coach that uses his skills.
Here's the thing. I want to make it very very clear.
(30:57):
I like Russ. I think his skills have diminished. I
was I mean, I've always been a Russell Wilson fan,
and I you know what, he was great to me.
I have no beef with Russ at all. But let's
let's keep it one hundred.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
How did he do it?
Speaker 1 (31:17):
I mean, how did he do in Pittsburgh. You've got
a Hall of Fame coach there if you don't like
the one you have here in Denver, who also, by
the way, will be in the Hall of Fame. I
would think so if Russ is what you say he is,
which I think he was several years ago in Seattle, well,
then the Giants are in a pretty good spot because
(31:40):
he'll start and he'll play well. I mean, I don't
think the Giants would be great, but he'll play well
and start. We just have a difference of opinion in
terms of kind of where things are for him right now,
not back in his heyday in Seattle. Oh, he's a
great player there. He was on track to be a
Hall of Famer. I'm wondering how much these last couple
(32:03):
of years have tarnished that legacy. Is he still a
Hall of Fame court That's an interesting question. I think
he probably gets him he could based on what he
didn't if you go look at his numbers, I mean
he's got in terms of touchdowns interceptions, in terms of yardage,
he's got Hall of Fame numbers. He's been a I
(32:26):
bet he's I haven't looked at his stats lately. I
bet he's more than three to one touchdowns to interceptions.
He is three point fifty to one eleven. Yep, Okay,
so more than three to one, three fifty to one eleven.
That's not even including his rushing touchdown. What I would
like to see him do is have a Russell like
year with the Giants. Again, I don't think the Giants
(32:50):
is going to be very good, but he can have
a Russell like year and get back on sort of
a track that people say, Okay, I remember that dude,
how great he was? Yeah, And like you, I like
Russell Wilson. I think I think he's a likable guy.
Some people don't like the entourage and all the social
(33:12):
media stuff that he puts out there, but I think
he's genuine. I think this is authentically who he is,
and I think he's a good dude, and so I'm
pulling for him. I was pulling for him here with
the Denver Broncos, and I think David is right. If
he can have a Russell year this year, he probably
I'm guessing he gets into the Hall of Fame. I
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don't know about first ballot, but he's going to be
a Hall of Fame quarterback. Oh big Blue, you know,
pick Blue. Let's right, Steel Steelers nations, Weld, Broncos country.
Let's Rod Ronco's country. Let's Rye. By the way, texture
that was not me played all those.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
You know the texture very quickly like you're making an argument, Dave,
or your point is anything to do with jealousy or
and that's just nonsense. This is utter nonsense. I'll tell
you what I was rooting against Russell Wilson last year.
I was actively and I'll on it, I was actively
rooting against him, not as a man, as a player,
(34:13):
because he played for the Steelers, was in the AFC,
which would ostensibly possibly keep the Broncos out of the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
So I was rooting against him. I could see maybe
letting go of some of that because now he's in
the NFC with the Giants. I could let go of
some of that.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
My argument at the time was the Broncos are still
paying part of this contract.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
We're still impacted.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
This team is still impacted by his contract, in him
not living up to his end of the bargain with
the Denver Broncos. So I felt justified by it last year.
I'm probably still a little bit there, but I can
let go of some of it. Now that we've seen
Bonix be what he is and Russell's playing in the NFC, Well,
we'll come back.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
We can finish this conversation on the other side.
I'll be Friday. Everybody welcome to it. They've logan Ryan
Edwards end. Of course he isn't drinking rich No, but
maybe I should get started Friday. Nice way to start
the show there, Grant. I'm glad you you went to
another thing other than the diaper. If I had to
wear the diaper, I was hoping you would maybe switch
(00:21):
up a little bit.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
That's been playing the hits man, I mean, is your musician,
you get it, play the hits. You gotta play the
hits you gotta. You know, you show up to the
concert if you're.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Like, hey, here's all my deep cuts and your hit
is if I had If I had it, who knew
when I said that your entire career would still be
playing this two years later. I had to wear the diaper,
I would do it. Okay, shells, the mullets, and then uh,
you'd wear the diaper. Right. All of those you guys
play all on a regular basis. We want to keep
(00:51):
you in the forefront of our listener's minds. Anything that's
positive that you're putting out all positive positive. They played
Tiger Piss for me, Oh they do? Oh yeah, get
off my lawns. The one for me. They thing, all right, well,
thank you for including me. It's appreciate it. The HiT's
(01:12):
all right. I mean, if you showed up on the show,
we're throwing this out. If you shut up on the
show and we didn't play that, people would think that
you that's exactly right. Oh so this is a sign
of and what's the tiger piss things? Well? Quickly, yeah,
(01:32):
I told the story of down in Port of Ireta.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
They're right close in the Paradise Village area. They have
like a small zoo and they had two big tigers
that people could walk by in their way little various stores.
And so we're walking by one day in the late lady, oh,
(01:59):
an old lady is like up in the cage and
she's like trying to get the tiger's attention, and the
tiger's laying down like you know, just she's in the cage. No, no, no,
she's up at the cage, like up at the cage,
and it says clearly, do not touch the cage. You know.
It says that, all right, in both English and Spanish.
(02:22):
And as she was too close to the cage, the
tiger from about me to you hit her with the
fire hose piss. Really yes, and they say and then
Al at the time said, what a smell like? I said,
it smelled like tiger pits, smelled like tiger piss. It
(02:44):
would smell like which you know, nobody would really know
what that smells like. No, just have to have that
strong of stream. And all three of us know what
we're talking about. I have a tiger story. They don't
have any prostate problems them tigers. No, apparently not like
a fire hose. Oh, knock your cap off. Do you remember?
Because it was the talk of the building when we
(03:05):
did it. We had a tiger and studio. This is
probably twenty years ago. It was the talk of the
building and Nita, rob and I knew about it. It
was it was a Siberian tiger. It was three years old.
A guy had it on a leash, and we all
completely trusted this guy. Like, this guy walks in with
a tiger on a leash, and we assumed this guy's
(03:26):
got everything under contra I wouldn't do it right, right,
that's what you would do right. And we had the
tiger eat raw meat off of Boomzilla's back on the show.
Boomzilla was our stunt guy, and you wonder about the
Broncos really and you wonder, I mean, and looking back
(03:47):
on it, it was the dumbest thing I've ever done.
Now there, I love you, But there have been some
other things you've done that are maybe a couple that
is right up there. And then they let the tiger.
I got up again the wall. The tiger got up,
put his paws on my back and his head right
next to my ear. What that feeling you get? It's
(04:10):
a primal fear that you get when that happens. This
is all. And I are looking at you, like, what
is wrong with you? I would agree, I'm looking back
and I going, what the hell were you thinking? That
was dumb? And Lee Larson? You remember Lee? Of course
he hired me Lee Larson and Brian I don't think
(04:31):
he worked here when Lee was here. Brian, I said, Ryan,
you said, Brian, Okay. Lee Larson had a meltdown because
we didn't clear it with him. Oh my god. But
you didn't clear you having a live tiger this newdea
with the market manager. But luckily we cleared it with
(04:51):
the program director, so he didn't fire us. Joe Bebloqua,
you were making too much money for him to fire.
We were lovely. Yeah, yeah, we we had a little
bit of leverage back then. Lee didn't like you. Oh
I think they liked No, Lee liked Wax. I'm just
(05:12):
saying I know he liked Wax. He yes he did. Yeah, yeah,
I didn't hear the why.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Just glad that you were around for us to play
the diaper cut now at this point, I mean that's
this year.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah. Really, I don't think there's any way to talk that.
A live tiger in studio. Well, we've got you wearing
the suit with the back of the back of suit.
We'll think of a couple. Yeah, that's gonna be interesting.
Why am I here again? No, we're exciting. What am
I doing here? Greg? What am I doing here? Grateful
(05:49):
my good friend Dave Logan, that's what's happening here. You're
the dummy that brought the tiger in. That was years ago.
That had nothing to do with me. So crawl up
your back on your Oh my god, never forget. I
do lots of things. I would never do that. I
can't believe I did it. It was on TV though,
you know when there's a camera rollert We had a
TV show at the time too. When there's a camera
(06:11):
roll it, you'll do things you normally wouldn't do. It
was for entertainment purpose. That's called porn. Don't try this
at home. Yea, yeah, right, that's that's what that's called.
It was the things that you normally wouldn't do. You
are And then the title is Eric is Hot Summer. Yeah,
(06:35):
that's that's when you're describing. You need this energy drinked down.
I'm good. Let's go. Well, we are excited you were here.
We have a lot to get to. Before we get
to it, I want to do a shot out grant.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
He closed on his first house today.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Thank you guys. Nice going. Yeah, big adult move, adulting. Wow.
One of the biggest check marks you can possi is
you grew up all of a sudden. Does he look taller? Yeah,
there's something about you like a real man. You looked thinner.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
After signing are yeah, no doubt here. Yeah. Well congrats man,
that's awesome and thank you guys.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yeah, and don't worry that the signing your life way stuff.
You didn't really have to read.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
All of it. He's already done that.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yeah, you just signed a bunch of papers. And they
tell you it means one thing. It doesn't it really
does mean that thing. Don't be worried middle of the
night anyways.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
All right, So well that's fun. Today we got uh,
we got Rockies baseball coming up TODAYA.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Four thirty got the Cincinnati Reds last series before the
All Store breaks.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
So looks forward to stamp the Rockies can get back
on track. So maybe not, we'll see about that. Uh.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Today there was an extra pretty big story that does
have some Broncos ties sort of. Ryan Poles, the general
manager of the Chicago Bears, signed an extension two years
before his deal was up. Maybe wonder about George Peyton
because we are right about there, we're about a year
or so away from his contract being up. He signed
(08:08):
a six year deal back in twenty twenty one, so
he's in the final year and a half of his deal.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
What would first.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Of all, should I get done now? Because Ryan Pull's
at two years left on his deal, so there's an argument.
I guess that you could just get it done. What
would the Pinners Walton Pinner family be looking for this
year in order to feel that they need to do
it after the season.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
What would they be looking for like, why why make
them think they need to do it after the season?
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, Like, why would we want to wait they are
if they are waiting, I think, I mean we've.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Talked a little bit about this. With respect to players contracts.
I think generally speaking, the NFL would want to wait
on most deals as long as they possibly can. I mean,
certainly for players that's the case. Maybe not coaches, and
(09:06):
I'm not sure about front office types. I think that.
I mean, I would take George Payton every single day
of the year over Ryan Poles me too. No, No,
I mean, no shade, not trying to be disrespectful to Ryan.
I mean I know George better haven't followed as closely
what the Bears have done. I think George has done
(09:26):
a really nice job. And I think George, I mean
it was it's a little bit like he was almost
standing two feet from the ledge a year plus ago.
Maybe let's see, yeah, close to two years ago. I
think most people in town felt like after the Russell
(09:49):
Wilson deal and after Sean Payton became the head coach,
I think most people thought, what's going to happen to
George Peyton? And I think if you had taken a
poll at that point, a lot of Broncos fans would
have said he's probably going to get shown the door.
I know this about him well, first of all, and
I'm biased because I like the guy. I think he's
(10:11):
a grinder. I think he's got really good judgment and
a sense of what a guy on tape, what he
looks like. I think he analyzes tape and he can
see what talent looks like. And I think he's done
a good job sort of figuring out what exactly Sean
(10:33):
Payton is like and what he's looking for, what does
he want from a GM, and how can I coexist
and help this guy, which in turn will help the
franchise win games. So I would be a proponent of
George sticking around and getting an extension. I don't, honestly,
(10:53):
I don't have the answer in terms of when I
think that might happen. I haven't had any indication from
anybody that that is not going to happen or that
is imminent in the works.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Like I respect why, I guess in the Bears' minds,
a GM who is fifteen and thirty six, three and
fourteen seven and ten, five and twelve, the last three years.
I guess I respect that they want to tie it
to Ben Johnson, their new head coach, like in their mind, like, hey,
we're we're going down this path.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Maybe that is what we're waiting on here.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Maybe the Broncos ownership would like to see another season
of Sewan and George together. You win some games, you
see bo Nicks take a step forward, maybe you've won
a playoff game, and then you tie both of those
contracts together going forward.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
There might be something going on there, But.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Again, you don't you don't want to get in a
lame duck situation because then I think not only for George,
but his entire staff is kind of impacted by that.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah. I don't know what type of urgency there is
for executives at the top of the NFL food chain,
But like Dave, I really like George Payton. Most people
thought that the Russell Wilson deal, not just bringing Russell over,
but the deal they gave him, would be a fatal mistake.
(12:09):
Pretty much everybody assumed that. And it seems as if
Sean and George like each other and work really well together.
And I think that's a big factor. And when you
look at if you take the Russell Wilson deal out
of it, which is pretty hard to do. That's the
big elephant in the room. George Peyton's done a heck
(12:29):
of a job. I guess you probably also take Nathaniel
Hackett out of it too. Nobody's got to win this
game or it is, thank you, coach. Yeah, So that
hiring obviously one of the worst in franchise history and
maybe in NFL history when you go back and look
at it. But they thought Aaron Rodgers was coming. That's
why they hired Nathaniel Hackett. Believe it. And you're right,
(12:50):
You're absolutely right about that. And I want to continue
on that.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Somebody recently did the worst head coaching hires of all
time and that did not make.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
The number one. What was the worst? You want to
take a guess on the relatively reason the number one
worst higher of all time time in the NFL. Okay,
this is the top ten.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yes, no, top twenty five is what they did. But
this is this was in the last five years. I
would say top twenty five worse. And I haven't prepared
for this at all. I would say, you've.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Got to You've got to. Bobby Petrina would be in
the top twenty five number two, Okay, I would say
Lou Holtz is in the top twenty five.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Lou Holtz is probably in the top Oh it was
just this and just this in the twenty twenties, okay,
in the twenty twenties or two thousands, my apologizes, Oh,
in the twousands, so he wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Be in that one. Buy Josh McDaniels.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Josh McDaniels number four, okay, so in Nathaniel Hocketts number five,
so number one?
Speaker 1 (13:53):
How about less Deckel, So that'd be in the two
thousands or was he? Did he hit pecos here for that? Yeah?
That was before that had one year he went three
and thirteen. When you when you get it, you'll Stephen
Wilkes that's on here, Mudan, Yeah that was a one
and done. Yep, Steve Wilkes is on here. I don't
(14:14):
know where though, maybe you're not on here. I thought,
what's the number one Urban Meyer? H Yeah, that's you
know what, that's hard to argue against. I told you,
what did you say it? You're like, oh, yeah, all
the other stuff, not just the football but the side circus. Yeah, okay,
that makes sense and Nathaniel Hackett was five.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Was five, Josh Managels was four, Cam Cameron with the
Dolphins one in fifteen Bobby Petrino was three and ten
there with the Falcons, he was number two. Jim tom
Sula was six San Francisco, Marty Morning Wig Detroit, Yeah,
Art Shell, it was horrible Raiders, Matt Patricia, Rob Baronelli.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Rod Marinelli, Yeah, De Troit team. Yeah, you got three
three lives coaches here in the top ten. There you go, Rick,
believe me, I remember well that in sixteen year it
got to the point where I was hoping they would
lose out. I was hoping they would go winless because
they needed something dramatic to happen to change the direction
(15:22):
of that franchise. And they climbed their bank way back
into a good position now. But Matt Millan two was
a disaster. Yeah, well that was GM gum. I know
as a GM. He was a disaster and they just
kept if they gave him a new contract. So you
wondered had two contracts there? You did? You did? It
was terrible. See you wondered why we hid in here?
(15:42):
We had to talk lions, Lions, Okay, I'm wearing my
Detroit today too.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Interestingly enough, back to George here for a second, though,
it's it's it's such an under the radar topic, right
we were talking so much about Bonnicks, about Sean, about
what the defense, like you're talking about the headlines of
the Broncos right now, those are all there. George has
been under the radar really since all of the Russell
(16:07):
Wilson stuff, like like he was a would you say
Dave daily topic for most sports talk radio here in Denver,
George Peyton around the Russell Wilson, Nathaniel Hackett stuff, and
then the subsequent six months or so after that of
wondering when he's going to be out of here, and
now we're about a year into this, it's like, huh,
we don't really talk about George very much.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Well, I mean, I think in fairness, I mean, you
look at his drafts. They've they've been pretty good missing
and in some cases they've been better than pretty good.
So I think as a evaluator of talent, I think
George is George is one of the best best round
and he's the I would guess he's pretty easy to
(16:48):
work with. So the fact that Sean has been able
to find a way to work with George is It's
not surprising, but I think that was the key, more
so than George finding a way to work with Sean.
I didn't really think that was going to be an issue.
I wondered frankly about Sean, you know, looking to George
(17:12):
and maybe thinking I'm going to bring I want to
bring one of my own guys in. And George is
very likable, and I think that may have been a factor.
If all that happened with Russell Wilson and Nathaniel Hackett
and George Peyton was a really hard guy to work
with and crabby and nasty to the media, I think
there's probably a decent chance they would have moved on.
(17:33):
Here's the deal anybody. I think anybody that had the
opportunity to trade for anybody that needed a quarterback felt
like they were headed in the right direction. That's the
one position that we're not good enough and now all
of a sudden, Russell Wilson becomes available. It's it's hindsight
in its absolute worst behavior to say, well, I wouldn't
(17:58):
I wouldn't obadye that deal for Russell will Yes, you
would have now it's fair to say did he have
to Did he have to then go ahead and renegotiate
the deal? Okay, you if Russell Wilson would have been
anywhere close to what he was in Seattle, then the
new deal probably, even though it was for a buttload
(18:20):
of money, probably would have made fiscal and financial sense.
It just he just wasn't the same guy. Yeah, everybody,
all of us were excited when they brought russ I was.
I was too, the whole city was. That's the most
excitement for this football team to start a season since
they won the Super Bowl. And it was the the
(18:41):
extension they gave him that had people right away going, wait, wait,
he's got two years left on the dealer. Why don't
we wait and see how this works out. That was
the mistake. That was the big mistake. And it's tough
to know what was I mean, we don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
We wouldn't know if that was an understanding because he
had a no train clause. So maybe part of waiving
the no trade clause was I'm going to get a
new contract from you guys. Because we found out after
the fact from it was a few weeks ago when
that when the details came out about the sort of
the was the litigation or whatever, the collusion, thank you
grant the collusion that he was pushing He and his
(19:19):
agent were pushing for a completely fully guaranteed contract. Right,
he won three hundred and fifty million fully guaranteed, so
that had to be in the works. And imagine his
process of the trade. And so you don't bring him
here and your first introduction to him is yeah, you know, actually,
let's just see.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
How these two years a go. Like that probably isn't
gonna go. So well, that's a valid point, I think. Plus,
here's the deal. If he has a year like you hoped,
like you expected, like he even though even though the
last year in Seattle might have been a little bit down,
but if he has the kind of year that he
showed consistently in Seattle, then the price of poker just
(19:55):
went up. Then what he was asking for, what you
could assigned him for in terms of the extension, that
price went up. So every one of those contracts is
a gamble of some sort. You know, what's really amazing
is how quick they've moved on from that and turn
this whole thing around, even eating all that Russell Wilson money.
(20:19):
And you got to give a lot of credit to
George Peyton and Sean Payton for how they did that.
It was a quick turnaround. They eat like fifty three
million in year one and made the playoffs. There were
people that said there were people that said you should
just find a way to work with Russell. I remember
those people who who would possibly say something like that.
(20:44):
I don't know is that that was the talk. I
don't even know who he's referencing here. I do there's
a lot of things that are said a lot of
the time.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Kimily, you're throwing out for under the bus after all
time Friday, we got Rick Lewis's shooty over right back, okayaway.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
And I'll use the word friggin idea of what you
were thinking about. You know, you do a lot of
things for ratings and including risking your life. Apparently that
was two thousand and one with the date on that video.
And what I showed these guys was the tiger getting
on my back. And when they pulled them off my back,
(21:35):
I looked down at my arm because all the hair
had stood up on my entire body. It's a primal
feeling of you're going to get killed. And then the
noise that tiger was making at the same time, kind
of kind of a growling purr, and you couldn't look
it in the eye, he said, don't look at tiger
in the eye.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I gotta imagine. And again, something I'll never experience in
my entire life. Normal, Dave, Normal, I would say ninety
nine point nine percent of our audience. But I gotta imagine.
There are moments when you think, you know, that could
be pretty tough, like I'm not. Some people out there
are not afraid of really anything. We all should be,
but some people aren't. But when you're confronted with an
(22:18):
animal like that, that is that I imagine the weight,
even just the weight of the tiger on you. You're just
like I am. I am a small rag doll that
this tiger could pick up and throw across the room
and really not break us.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Wet. Yeah, there was probably six people in the room,
and as we were talking off the air, that tiger
could have killed every one of us if it wanted to.
And it was on a leash, Like, what's the leash
gonna do? Really, this is a questions you're supposed to
ask before ahead by the way he had like a gun.
Maybe the guy was carrying a gun or a tranquilizing
dart he could get before that though. Yeah, I don't know. Yes,
(22:52):
he would have killed somebody. Yeah, that's god, Rick, that
is the dumbest thing I've ever done on the radio.
Probably dumbest thing I've ever done life. Looking back at it,
that video just gave me the chills. It's like there's
a Simpsons meme out there. It's like, no, it's the
dumbest thing you've done so far. Well that's not the case,
(23:12):
that's right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Well, hope we'll hopefully you've learned some lesson. I want
to finish over our conversation here about George Payton. There's
one more thing that I think that kind of goes
to the point or the conversation about why he should
be extended and aside from our personal feelings when you
brought up about his drafting, it's it's not only the
players were good players, it's that Sean has liked them too. Right,
(23:37):
You're getting extensions on these players, on players that were
drafted before Sean got here. That's I mean, for me,
just one more indication kind of where that relationship as
you extended now Pastor Tanay defensive player of the year,
best cornerback in the league. That's that's an easy one.
Quinn miners. It's a really good player. Seawn didn't necessarily
have to love him when he first moves he got here,
he brought into offensive lineman.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Would great established who else was involved in making the
point about the Russell Wilson deal? Okay, I can't remember,
and Sean Payton should have to work with Russell Wilson
and they've got so much dead cap stuff. Now this
(24:19):
makes zero sense. I can't remember. Ryan, just think about
that and let me know. So I would say this
with respect to George Peyton. Of course you do, George Peyton.
I remember there were people that were like out of
their minds upset that at nine they took Pat Surtan
(24:41):
and not Justin Fields. People are still my comment, Oh,
who possibly could be upset based on what we've seen
that the Broncos took Pat Surtan who was the defensive
player of the year and didn't take Justin Fields. It's
(25:02):
a mutual friend. Seriously, still still upset about him. Doesn't
really know much about football. Is in radios. I know,
I know what you're talking about too, and I love him,
but you know what, you know, I'm right this case.
And I said at the time, Hey, you know, I
think they liked Justin Fields. I don't think they loved him.
(25:22):
Do you take a quarterback at nine if you don't
love him. No, they had a chance to trade for him.
They had a chance to trade for him when Chicago
let him go, could have him for basically nothing. And
the way it played out, of course with PS two
Defensive Player of the Year, I mean, obviously he made
the right choice there. And I'm not anti Justin Fields.
(25:43):
I do think his skill set is still worthy of
somebody working with him. I still think he has a
chance to develop into a solid NFL quarterback. I really do.
And I'm looking forward to seeing what he does this
year with the Jets. Man, I think that's like the
Steelers in Week one. I know, Man, isn't that great?
(26:06):
That'll be really interesting. That's going to be really interesting.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
My rebuttal quickly because it feels like you need you
need this because as soon as this as off.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Air, we're saw responsible for what comes out of our
pie hole. And I'm I'm fired with that. Listen, all right,
I mean I don't need anything equivocate. I didn't say it.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
I may find qualifiers, yep, but the fact is I
will ride on both counts, absolutely own the things that
come out of my piehole.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
You're sort of forced to here, But go ahead, I said.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
After your one, because see that's the thing you're missing here.
You're you're making this sound like I said this on
day one of Sean Payne. I said this after year one. Absolutely,
you're right when we saw improvement from Russ right, not
nearly what we saw from Bone next, but at the time,
this is before they draft the bonus.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
That's right. I just want to acknowledge when you're right.
I'm on your side. Oh, go ahead, I believe that.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
So right right after the season, I said, listen, year
two of Sean Payton with Russell Wilson should be better.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Yep. Doesn't guarantee anything, but it should be better. Now.
Of course, the fracture relationship didn't like the idea. You
pooh poohed the idea of them getting rid of Russell
Wilson and the contract and the contract. Yes, and you
said in this case, and others said, that's where the
owner should come in and say, you know what, you're
(27:27):
going to work with him this year and we're going
to win games.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
I think some owners might have. I'm glad that great
Pinner and the Walton Pinner group did not do that.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
I'm glad. I mean, we're seeing to take you even
though you advocated for that to happen.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah, because I have more information now, I could say
at the time that I felt justified in that case.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
That's called hindsight. Being twenty twenty, you get the benefit
of hindsight putting in on No, no, no, I said
it before I said what did I say? I said,
this head coach is not going to work work with
this quarterback ever, and no matter what happens, that's where
we are. Let's go to the judge.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Here.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Do you see where I was. I'm I'm referencing here
Rick Lewis Seigerman. That's good. That's a nickname. Actually I
could live with that. I I remember the discussion. I
probably had that with you guys at that time as well,
and there was an argument to be made. I think that, uh,
(28:28):
you're paying this guy all this money he vastly approved
with Sean Payton, why not see what happens one more year.
I think you could make that argument, and we probably
did at the time, but I am certain Sean Payton
had no intention of ever doing that, and and Dave
(28:49):
would say the same thing. So what's amazing is it
it worked out so well? You think so you think
you can make the argument even even in hindsight that
had Sean Payton been worse. Two have kept Russell Wilson
that the Broncos last year, no matter what they do
with bon Knicks, Let's say they draft him and just
don't blame Russell Wilson. Last year, the Broncos would have
(29:12):
made the playoffs. In hindsight, I would say probably not.
But nobody in hindsight, you couldn't make the argument to
do something. No, I'm talking before we knew what bone
Nicks did. This is before last season. Uh, and nobody
would have predicted bone Nicks would have the year that
he had as a rookie quarterback. But it all worked
(29:33):
out so well for them. The guy that drafted the
guy that drafted him, he knew, he knew more than everybody.
And would they have made the playoffs with Russ? You know,
they just didn't work well. Together. There's some things that
Russ did well at times, but him and Sean Payton man,
they were they were not a good couple as as
(29:54):
a head coach and quarterback. I think that was a
big issue. The relationships. Chemistry. Yeah, the relationships what it is.
But and we'll never know.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Russell Wilson threw for andy two yards sixteen passing touchdowns,
five interceptions. He also one hundred and fifty five rushing
yards and two touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
I mean, eleven games. It's not Russ was great to me.
I got nothing against Russell. But if Russell was that,
why is he not still in Pittsburgh? They desperately need
a quarterback. They just signed a guy who's sixty five
years old. I mean, great question. Why is Russell in
New York? And and frankly, I'm just telling you, I
(30:36):
think the rookie may wind up starting early early this fall.
Russ has one more Super Bowl ring and two more
Super Bowl appearances than Dave. That is true. We've seen
what he can do with the coach that uses his skills.
Here's the thing. I want to make it very very clear.
(30:57):
I like Russ. I think his skills have diminished. I
was I mean, I've always been a Russell Wilson fan,
and I you know what, he was great to me.
I have no beef with Russ at all. But let's
let's keep it one hundred.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
How did he do it?
Speaker 1 (31:17):
I mean, how did he do in Pittsburgh. You've got
a Hall of Fame coach there if you don't like
the one you have here in Denver, who also, by
the way, will be in the Hall of Fame. I
would think so if Russ is what you say he is,
which I think he was several years ago in Seattle, well,
then the Giants are in a pretty good spot because
(31:40):
he'll start and he'll play well. I mean, I don't
think the Giants would be great, but he'll play well
and start. We just have a difference of opinion in
terms of kind of where things are for him right now,
not back in his heyday in Seattle. Oh, he's a
great player there. He was on track to be a
Hall of Famer. I'm wondering how much these last couple
(32:03):
of years have tarnished that legacy. Is he still a
Hall of Fame court That's an interesting question. I think
he probably gets him he could based on what he
didn't if you go look at his numbers, I mean
he's got in terms of touchdowns interceptions, in terms of yardage,
he's got Hall of Fame numbers. He's been a I
(32:26):
bet he's I haven't looked at his stats lately. I
bet he's more than three to one touchdowns to interceptions.
He is three point fifty to one eleven. Yep, Okay,
so more than three to one, three fifty to one eleven.
That's not even including his rushing touchdown. What I would
like to see him do is have a Russell like
year with the Giants. Again, I don't think the Giants
(32:50):
is going to be very good, but he can have
a Russell like year and get back on sort of
a track that people say, Okay, I remember that dude,
how great he was? Yeah, And like you, I like
Russell Wilson. I think I think he's a likable guy.
Some people don't like the entourage and all the social
(33:12):
media stuff that he puts out there, but I think
he's genuine. I think this is authentically who he is,
and I think he's a good dude, and so I'm
pulling for him. I was pulling for him here with
the Denver Broncos, and I think David is right. If
he can have a Russell year this year, he probably
I'm guessing he gets into the Hall of Fame. I
(33:33):
don't know about first ballot, but he's going to be
a Hall of Fame quarterback. Oh big Blue, you know,
pick Blue. Let's right, Steel Steelers nations, Weld, Broncos country.
Let's Rod Ronco's country. Let's Rye. By the way, texture
that was not me played all those.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
You know the texture very quickly like you're making an argument, Dave,
or your point is anything to do with jealousy or
and that's just nonsense. This is utter nonsense. I'll tell
you what I was rooting against Russell Wilson last year.
I was actively and I'll on it, I was actively
rooting against him, not as a man, as a player,
(34:13):
because he played for the Steelers, was in the AFC,
which would ostensibly possibly keep the Broncos out of the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
So I was rooting against him. I could see maybe
letting go of some of that because now he's in
the NFC with the Giants. I could let go of
some of that.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
My argument at the time was the Broncos are still
paying part of this contract.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
We're still impacted.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
This team is still impacted by his contract, in him
not living up to his end of the bargain with
the Denver Broncos. So I felt justified by it last year.
I'm probably still a little bit there, but I can
let go of some of it. Now that we've seen
Bonix be what he is and Russell's playing in the NFC, Well,
we'll come back.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
We can finish this conversation on the other side.
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