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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Just out at four o'clock. Welcome back. Look at Dave
Temper dropping some dynamite and the fish tag. He's like, oh,
well you, uh, let Ben Olbrien introduce the project Ben.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
That's Ben's thing. Yeah, Ben, Ben would be much better
at that than me.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
No.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Well, well, I'm not going to say anything bad about Ben,
but you would be fantastic.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Now I did you.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I did introduce Tower of Power, Tower of Power rick
Lewis project, I mean a little bigger similar to me,
a little bit bigger. Now you you have an open
invitation to come up on stage.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I just want to.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I want to play the cow bell yea and the
air drums. Open invitation, Dave, any gig we do? I
would love that. Get up there. It's like I'm handing
you the keys to the Ferrari we go. That's good,
that's really good.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Oh we got Rockies Baseball code. If you're at the
bottom of the hour, Happy Friday, everybody. Thanks for hanging
out with us. Dave Logan, Ryan Edwards, Rick Lewis. I
want to finished off a couple conversations we're having in
the first hour. You asked a question I wanted to
actually answer it. You said, why is Russell Wilson not
in Pittsburgh anymore? Like if he's if he's so good,
why is he why is he not there? And I
think some of the textures have sort of alluded to it.
We may have sort of danced around it. I think
(01:14):
in the end, Russell Wilson is about as close to
a fit kind of quarterback as we have in the
NFL right now, Like there are.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Some guys that think you could plug in what you
mean that's so, I'll explain.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
So there's some guys that you plug in and could
be good anywhere, But I don't think Russell Wilson is
one of those guys. I think Russell Wilson quite literally
needs to have a system designed around him.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Well, so what is that? So in your mind, what
does that like? What does that look like? You say,
he's got to have something designed around him? And I
do think there are certain quarterbacks that could play anywhere,
But what is the perfect system now look like for
Russ Well?
Speaker 1 (01:50):
And so that's that's an interesting question because I think
a lot of it has to do with sort of
accenting or accentuating his improvisational ability.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Right there are a lot, a lot more.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
The NFL today is kind of about being able to diagnose.
You talked about accuracy and being specifically hyper accurate in
the important moments and including over the middle of the field,
which sometimes he neglected. But I'd say, right now, I mean,
you're thinking about a guy that that is going to
take some sacks. He is going to run around in
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the backfield, and he's going to be looking for guys
to run around deep down the field.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
And so what your system look like?
Speaker 4 (02:26):
You have to have an.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Offensive coordinator that believes in that, that believes that that's
that's the way to win football.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Stop and think what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
What does your I'm asking you if I think you're
accurate in terms of how you described what Russell does best,
how do you how would you what's the system look like?
You're the offensive coordinator, Ryan Edwards? Okay, what what are
you teaching in camp? What's that system look like for
(02:55):
a guy who does the things that you just described.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Well, certainly some of Russell Wilson's best work is outside
the numbers. So I first of all, I'm everything I'm
going to do is I'm going to be setting up
I mean you have to have a good run game too,
and all those things. But I'm saying as far as
what Russell Wilson does is he is elite when he's
targeting outside the numbers. So I would I would build
an offense in part where I know, I'm I hate
(03:18):
to ignore the middle of the field, but I also
know kind of what he's done over the course of
his career, So I'm starting there.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
How would you.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Build the offense based on his improvisational skills.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
That's a really good question.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
You know what, because there's no answer. That's the tricky part.
There's no I mean, yeah, there's no answer to that
right aout. I think he's I think he's still got
really good deep ball skill. I think he can throw
the deep ball. The issue is, I think with he
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he's not really comfortable in the pocket and he if
you go back and look at his work in Seattle,
when he had things rolling, he killed people. When he
could extend plays and as you said, receivers running open,
he just made so many, so many big plays. Yes,
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he did have a great running game, and yes he
also had a great defense and really good wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Yeah, but he made a butt load of plays. It's
just in the NFL, it is it's.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Hard to teach that kind of offense on a consistent basis.
So the great ones are going to improvise, and but
also they're going to know when they have to stand
in and just make standard every every sort of game
decisions that keep drives alive. And I know there was
(04:54):
a disconnect in terms of when Russell was here and
that kind of thing. I think there where there were
coaches that felt like, I mean, we got stuff right
here in front of us, and we're not either certain
where the ball goes or the ball goes to the
right spot, and that I think can be really frustrating,
(05:17):
especially for a guy like Sean Payton, who I think
is easily frustrated when he has a veteran quarterback that
just for whatever reason just doesn't get it as quickly
as he thinks that quarterback should get it. And David,
I think you can argue that since Russ left Seattle,
he hasn't had the same caliber of weapons around him.
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The two years in Denver, the one year in Pittsburgh.
Go back and look at the wide receiver group that
he had, the running back, the running game that he
had there, combined with the badass defense.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
He hasn't had that kind of team around that. That's
a pretty good point. I mean it's tough to well,
you don't have Marshawn Lynch. I mean, that's that's what
it is. And then you're talking about DK Metcalf and
Tyler Lockett's. You're right that that was probably the best
options he had over his course of his career and
he got here to Denver and yeah, you have Courtland's son,
you have Tim Patrick. Actually Tim got hurt, so Gody
(06:13):
what what who was he throwing it to? I'm trying
to remember. But point of it is, yeah, yeah, it's
just for me. It's it's just sort of about a
commitment to a design that you as a coordinator have
to believe in and and.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
How do you design improvisation?
Speaker 4 (06:32):
You can't, That's that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
But but this is the thing Pete Carroll and the.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Blittany of ocs that they did bring through there.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
They found a way to make it work because they
had a great defense that had a great run game,
and then a commitment as an organization to play certain
type of football and then they basically I think they
insulated him in a lot of ways.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah, I listen, playing certain type of football was what
drove the wedge in between Russell Wilson and Pete Carroll. Now,
to both of their credits, they've put it behind him
and publicly.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
They've made up.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
But one of the biggest reasons the Seahawks were willing
to get rid of Russell Wilson, we're willing to move
on is because Pete Carroll wants a much more controlled,
run dominant offense and Russell wanted. I mean, that's where
the phrase let Russ cook came from Russell. As a
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lot of quarterbacks, Russell wanted to throw it everywhere. Pete
didn't think they could be successful if you threw it
too much. I mean, the improvisation of Russell Wilson was magnificent,
but you cannot build an offense and have a guy try.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
To do that more time.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
I mean, as many times I think as Russell has
attempted to do it, you just can't do it in
the NFL. The lack of weapons the last three seasons
combined with a diminishing skill set for us getting older,
and he tried too hard. He tried to do everything,
tried to play hero ball and he just he's past
his prime.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
So then it comes to the question and we'll move
off to this second.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
I know some people like, are you still talk about
Russell Wilson but with the Giants you've got We talked
about Lane Duck.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Oh, don't forget Jerry Judy. We just had a texter.
He threw to Jerry j.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
He did throw a JJ yeah yeah, Jerry Judy.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Not not Pro Bowl receiver, not Pro Bowl receiver, Jerry Judy,
but Jerry Judy. Yeah. So you you put him with
the Giants, and you got Brian Dabole, You've got you've
got that coaching staff. Who what did they They added
James Winston and Jackson dart YEP. I'm inclined to agree
(08:48):
with you about the Jackson dart point, because if you're
Brian Dabole and you want to somehow keep this job,
showing problems with the rookie makes the most sense.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Here's why. Here's why.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
I think the absolute guy that gives them the best
chance to win is going to play quarterback. And I
don't think Brian Daball cares whether it's Jamis Winston or
Russell Wilson or Jackson Dart because what.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
You said is true.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
If they don't win this year, he's going to be
out of work and the GM is going to be
out of work. And so they don't care if it's
a guy that is driving uber right now, that just
shows up a camp and they've seen him throw it
and all of a sudden, I mean, they do not
care who plays. So you're going to get the guy
that they believe gives them the best chance. Now you
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fast forward to Brian Daball's career. Brian da Ball has
been a guy I think much like Pete Carroll, a
little more creative on offense, but he's a control He's.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
The guy that wants that court.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Brian da Ball will be more like Sean Payton in
terms of how he views the quarterback position and the
control of the offense than what Russell experienced in Pittsburgh
with Arthur Smith as a coordinator and Mike Tomlin as
the head coach. So will Rust be better than Daniel
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Jones there with that group?
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I mean, I honestly don't know.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
I don't know either.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
I don't know which Daniel Jones I mean Daniel Jones
the year they went to the playoffs, and beat the
Vikings in Minnesota decent, And then and then Daniel Jones
looked like he couldn't play, and all of a sudden,
everybody thinks Daniel Jones is going to be a starting
quarterback with the Colts.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
So I don't know. Here's the deal.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
I hope Russ does well in New York and plays
and has a good year or two years, or however
many years he plays, because you want to end a
career like his on a high note. You don't want
to end it with what happened here in Denver and
then the Pittsburgh thing. I mean, you want to end
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it like playing some really good football. So that's what
people remember most.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
I feel like the Daniel Jones talk is a lot
more about Anthony Richardson than it is about Daniel Jones.
Like anybody saying Daniel Jones is gonna win that job
is more of a voted no confidence in Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
That's my take.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah, yeah, you could be right.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I feel like, to answer my own question, I feel
like Russ will have a slightly better year.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Than Daniel Jones did. Will that be enough? Probably not?
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Probably not, probably not.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
And again I agree with you if you if you
want to get back on track to your original point
about being a Hall of Famer, of being on the
track for that's he's got to finish out his career
an upward swing.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Just finished the Quarterback Show, David, Did.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
You watch the last episode yet?
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I don't think I did. Are there six or seven?
Then I'm gonna say no, Okay, you know, because there
I'm to the one where they had not yet made
the playoffs. Okay, is seven into the playoffs with Detroit?
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Seven's into the playoffs? Yeah, they play the playoff.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Game against Washington, Washington, And you also get to see
the Bengals verse the Broncos.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
I haven't seen that yet.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Okay, that's the last one. Yep, that's the last one.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
And then you get to watch Joe Burrow watching the Broncos.
She'll lack the Chiefs. He's sitting at home media sandwich.
It just be like, well, it's so great because, like you.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
First, because had the Chiefs beaten the Broncos, of course
they didn't play any of their guys, but had they
won that game, the Bengals were going.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
To be in the playoffs. We're in.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
So He's sitting there in a sandwich and there's that
first Marvin Mims touchdown. He's like, that's tough to way
to gab when you don't have any of your starters.
It like it was just like yeah, yeah, that's it,
and I mean it was so so great. But I
thought about Kirk Cousins there and sort of the trajectory
he was. I don't know if he's ever was he
has he ever been on a Hall of Fame trajectory?
(12:44):
Is he more of just hauled good, like good regular
season quarterback.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
I've never looked at his body of work from a
statistical standpoint in terms of number of touchdowns and exceptions.
I don't think think of him as a Hall of
Fame quarterback. I think of him as a really good
quarterback for a long time in this league. I don't
know how many how many tds and interceptions in his career? Yeah,
(13:11):
how many yards is he thrown for? Because I mean
still it gets down.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
To really sure a lot.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
I would think if he would have been a guy
that won a Super Bowl along the way with the
numbers he has right now, he would certainly be considered.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Got about forty three thousand passing yards, two hundred and
eighty eight passing touchdowns, one hundred and twenty six interceptions.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Okay, so he's he's not excuse me, not quite three
to one. Yep, TD's interceptions and forty three thousand and.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
I think he's only got I know, he's got one
playoff win. He might have two, So he hasn't really
had a lot of Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Know I would. I would think he'd be in the
Hall of really Good Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
I think that's probably right. Yeah, he's a really good player.
It was kind of a look, you know, you know
how it's going to end right.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
For all of these situations, but you sort of felt
for him a little bit. Mean, it is the NFL,
it is what it is, right, But they beat the
Raiders like great.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
I were talking about this.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
I couldn't remember when he got benched for Michael Pennix junior,
but they beat the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
After the bron It was in the Broncos game.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
No, no, well, no, well, he got based in the
Broncos game.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
But like he played the next week. I think it
was against the Vikings or something like that.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
No, he played, he played against Tampa and lost. Oh no,
he played against Tennessee and lost. I think that was
the game they should not have lost.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
So they lost against the Chargers seventeen thirteen and had
four interceptions that game, and then Minnesota okay, and then
then they played the Raiders.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
They won that one fifteen to nine.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
But he only threw one touchdown one interception in that
game in one hundred.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
And twelve passes.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
And that was his last start.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
YEP, December sixteenth, and then they went to Michael Pennick Junior.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
I would say that somebody, based on an injury, I
would say that k Cousins would be a guy that
somebody that it was off to a good start and
their starter goes down and you have a chance to
get Kirk Cousins for maybe, you know, not much. Somebody
will take a shot, and you could easily argue that
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last year he was still not well. Yeah, coming off
that injury, you might see a better version of him
this year
Just out at four o'clock. Welcome back. Look at Dave
Temper dropping some dynamite and the fish tag. He's like, oh,
well you, uh, let Ben Olbrien introduce the project Ben.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
That's Ben's thing. Yeah, Ben, Ben would be much better
at that than me.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
No.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Well, well, I'm not going to say anything bad about Ben,
but you would be fantastic.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Now I did you.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I did introduce Tower of Power, Tower of Power rick
Lewis project, I mean a little bigger similar to me,
a little bit bigger. Now you you have an open
invitation to come up on stage.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I just want to.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I want to play the cow bell yea and the
air drums. Open invitation, Dave, any gig we do? I
would love that. Get up there. It's like I'm handing
you the keys to the Ferrari we go. That's good,
that's really good.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Oh we got Rockies Baseball code. If you're at the
bottom of the hour, Happy Friday, everybody. Thanks for hanging
out with us. Dave Logan, Ryan Edwards, Rick Lewis. I
want to finished off a couple conversations we're having in
the first hour. You asked a question I wanted to
actually answer it. You said, why is Russell Wilson not
in Pittsburgh anymore? Like if he's if he's so good,
why is he why is he not there? And I
think some of the textures have sort of alluded to it.
We may have sort of danced around it. I think
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in the end, Russell Wilson is about as close to
a fit kind of quarterback as we have in the
NFL right now, Like there are.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Some guys that think you could plug in what you
mean that's so, I'll explain.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
So there's some guys that you plug in and could
be good anywhere, But I don't think Russell Wilson is
one of those guys. I think Russell Wilson quite literally
needs to have a system designed around him.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Well, so what is that? So in your mind, what
does that like? What does that look like? You say,
he's got to have something designed around him? And I
do think there are certain quarterbacks that could play anywhere,
But what is the perfect system now look like for
Russ Well?
Speaker 1 (01:50):
And so that's that's an interesting question because I think
a lot of it has to do with sort of
accenting or accentuating his improvisational ability.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Right there are a lot, a lot more.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
The NFL today is kind of about being able to diagnose.
You talked about accuracy and being specifically hyper accurate in
the important moments and including over the middle of the field,
which sometimes he neglected. But I'd say, right now, I mean,
you're thinking about a guy that that is going to
take some sacks. He is going to run around in
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the backfield, and he's going to be looking for guys
to run around deep down the field.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
And so what your system look like?
Speaker 4 (02:26):
You have to have an.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Offensive coordinator that believes in that, that believes that that's
that's the way to win football.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Stop and think what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
What does your I'm asking you if I think you're
accurate in terms of how you described what Russell does best,
how do you how would you what's the system look like?
You're the offensive coordinator, Ryan Edwards? Okay, what what are
you teaching in camp? What's that system look like for
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a guy who does the things that you just described.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Well, certainly some of Russell Wilson's best work is outside
the numbers. So I first of all, I'm everything I'm
going to do is I'm going to be setting up
I mean you have to have a good run game too,
and all those things. But I'm saying as far as
what Russell Wilson does is he is elite when he's
targeting outside the numbers. So I would I would build
an offense in part where I know, I'm I hate
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to ignore the middle of the field, but I also
know kind of what he's done over the course of
his career, So I'm starting there.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
How would you.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Build the offense based on his improvisational skills.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
That's a really good question.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
You know what, because there's no answer. That's the tricky part.
There's no I mean, yeah, there's no answer to that
right aout. I think he's I think he's still got
really good deep ball skill. I think he can throw
the deep ball. The issue is, I think with he
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he's not really comfortable in the pocket and he if
you go back and look at his work in Seattle,
when he had things rolling, he killed people. When he
could extend plays and as you said, receivers running open,
he just made so many, so many big plays. Yes,
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he did have a great running game, and yes he
also had a great defense and really good wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Yeah, but he made a butt load of plays. It's
just in the NFL, it is it's.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Hard to teach that kind of offense on a consistent basis.
So the great ones are going to improvise, and but
also they're going to know when they have to stand
in and just make standard every every sort of game
decisions that keep drives alive. And I know there was
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a disconnect in terms of when Russell was here and
that kind of thing. I think there where there were
coaches that felt like, I mean, we got stuff right
here in front of us, and we're not either certain
where the ball goes or the ball goes to the
right spot, and that I think can be really frustrating,
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especially for a guy like Sean Payton, who I think
is easily frustrated when he has a veteran quarterback that
just for whatever reason just doesn't get it as quickly
as he thinks that quarterback should get it. And David,
I think you can argue that since Russ left Seattle,
he hasn't had the same caliber of weapons around him.
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The two years in Denver, the one year in Pittsburgh.
Go back and look at the wide receiver group that
he had, the running back, the running game that he
had there, combined with the badass defense.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
He hasn't had that kind of team around that. That's
a pretty good point. I mean it's tough to well,
you don't have Marshawn Lynch. I mean, that's that's what
it is. And then you're talking about DK Metcalf and
Tyler Lockett's. You're right that that was probably the best
options he had over his course of his career and
he got here to Denver and yeah, you have Courtland's son,
you have Tim Patrick. Actually Tim got hurt, so Gody
(06:13):
what what who was he throwing it to? I'm trying
to remember. But point of it is, yeah, yeah, it's
just for me. It's it's just sort of about a
commitment to a design that you as a coordinator have
to believe in and and.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
How do you design improvisation?
Speaker 4 (06:32):
You can't, That's that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
But but this is the thing Pete Carroll and the.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Blittany of ocs that they did bring through there.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
They found a way to make it work because they
had a great defense that had a great run game,
and then a commitment as an organization to play certain
type of football and then they basically I think they
insulated him in a lot of ways.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah, I listen, playing certain type of football was what
drove the wedge in between Russell Wilson and Pete Carroll. Now,
to both of their credits, they've put it behind him
and publicly.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
They've made up.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
But one of the biggest reasons the Seahawks were willing
to get rid of Russell Wilson, we're willing to move
on is because Pete Carroll wants a much more controlled,
run dominant offense and Russell wanted. I mean, that's where
the phrase let Russ cook came from Russell. As a
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lot of quarterbacks, Russell wanted to throw it everywhere. Pete
didn't think they could be successful if you threw it
too much. I mean, the improvisation of Russell Wilson was magnificent,
but you cannot build an offense and have a guy try.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
To do that more time.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
I mean, as many times I think as Russell has
attempted to do it, you just can't do it in
the NFL. The lack of weapons the last three seasons
combined with a diminishing skill set for us getting older,
and he tried too hard. He tried to do everything,
tried to play hero ball and he just he's past
his prime.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
So then it comes to the question and we'll move
off to this second.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
I know some people like, are you still talk about
Russell Wilson but with the Giants you've got We talked
about Lane Duck.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Oh, don't forget Jerry Judy. We just had a texter.
He threw to Jerry j.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
He did throw a JJ yeah yeah, Jerry Judy.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Not not Pro Bowl receiver, not Pro Bowl receiver, Jerry Judy,
but Jerry Judy. Yeah. So you you put him with
the Giants, and you got Brian Dabole, You've got you've
got that coaching staff. Who what did they They added
James Winston and Jackson dart YEP. I'm inclined to agree
(08:48):
with you about the Jackson dart point, because if you're
Brian Dabole and you want to somehow keep this job,
showing problems with the rookie makes the most sense.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Here's why. Here's why.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
I think the absolute guy that gives them the best
chance to win is going to play quarterback. And I
don't think Brian Daball cares whether it's Jamis Winston or
Russell Wilson or Jackson Dart because what.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
You said is true.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
If they don't win this year, he's going to be
out of work and the GM is going to be
out of work. And so they don't care if it's
a guy that is driving uber right now, that just
shows up a camp and they've seen him throw it
and all of a sudden, I mean, they do not
care who plays. So you're going to get the guy
that they believe gives them the best chance. Now you
(09:32):
fast forward to Brian Daball's career. Brian da Ball has
been a guy I think much like Pete Carroll, a
little more creative on offense, but he's a control He's.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
The guy that wants that court.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Brian da Ball will be more like Sean Payton in
terms of how he views the quarterback position and the
control of the offense than what Russell experienced in Pittsburgh
with Arthur Smith as a coordinator and Mike Tomlin as
the head coach. So will Rust be better than Daniel
(10:07):
Jones there with that group?
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I mean, I honestly don't know.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
I don't know either.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
I don't know which Daniel Jones I mean Daniel Jones
the year they went to the playoffs, and beat the
Vikings in Minnesota decent, And then and then Daniel Jones
looked like he couldn't play, and all of a sudden,
everybody thinks Daniel Jones is going to be a starting
quarterback with the Colts.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
So I don't know. Here's the deal.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
I hope Russ does well in New York and plays
and has a good year or two years, or however
many years he plays, because you want to end a
career like his on a high note. You don't want
to end it with what happened here in Denver and
then the Pittsburgh thing. I mean, you want to end
(10:52):
it like playing some really good football. So that's what
people remember most.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
I feel like the Daniel Jones talk is a lot
more about Anthony Richardson than it is about Daniel Jones.
Like anybody saying Daniel Jones is gonna win that job
is more of a voted no confidence in Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
That's my take.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah, yeah, you could be right.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I feel like, to answer my own question, I feel
like Russ will have a slightly better year.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Than Daniel Jones did. Will that be enough? Probably not?
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Probably not, probably not.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
And again I agree with you if you if you
want to get back on track to your original point
about being a Hall of Famer, of being on the
track for that's he's got to finish out his career
an upward swing.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Just finished the Quarterback Show, David, Did.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
You watch the last episode yet?
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I don't think I did. Are there six or seven?
Then I'm gonna say no, Okay, you know, because there
I'm to the one where they had not yet made
the playoffs. Okay, is seven into the playoffs with Detroit?
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Seven's into the playoffs? Yeah, they play the playoff.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Game against Washington, Washington, And you also get to see
the Bengals verse the Broncos.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
I haven't seen that yet.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Okay, that's the last one. Yep, that's the last one.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
And then you get to watch Joe Burrow watching the Broncos.
She'll lack the Chiefs. He's sitting at home media sandwich.
It just be like, well, it's so great because, like you.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
First, because had the Chiefs beaten the Broncos, of course
they didn't play any of their guys, but had they
won that game, the Bengals were going.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
To be in the playoffs. We're in.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
So He's sitting there in a sandwich and there's that
first Marvin Mims touchdown. He's like, that's tough to way
to gab when you don't have any of your starters.
It like it was just like yeah, yeah, that's it,
and I mean it was so so great. But I
thought about Kirk Cousins there and sort of the trajectory
he was. I don't know if he's ever was he
has he ever been on a Hall of Fame trajectory?
(12:44):
Is he more of just hauled good, like good regular
season quarterback.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
I've never looked at his body of work from a
statistical standpoint in terms of number of touchdowns and exceptions.
I don't think think of him as a Hall of
Fame quarterback. I think of him as a really good
quarterback for a long time in this league. I don't
know how many how many tds and interceptions in his career? Yeah,
(13:11):
how many yards is he thrown for? Because I mean
still it gets down.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
To really sure a lot.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
I would think if he would have been a guy
that won a Super Bowl along the way with the
numbers he has right now, he would certainly be considered.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Got about forty three thousand passing yards, two hundred and
eighty eight passing touchdowns, one hundred and twenty six interceptions.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Okay, so he's he's not excuse me, not quite three
to one. Yep, TD's interceptions and forty three thousand and.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
I think he's only got I know, he's got one
playoff win. He might have two, So he hasn't really
had a lot of Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Know I would. I would think he'd be in the
Hall of really Good Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
I think that's probably right. Yeah, he's a really good player.
It was kind of a look, you know, you know
how it's going to end right.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
For all of these situations, but you sort of felt
for him a little bit. Mean, it is the NFL,
it is what it is, right, But they beat the
Raiders like great.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
I were talking about this.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
I couldn't remember when he got benched for Michael Pennix junior,
but they beat the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
After the bron It was in the Broncos game.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
No, no, well, no, well, he got based in the
Broncos game.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
But like he played the next week. I think it
was against the Vikings or something like that.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
No, he played, he played against Tampa and lost. Oh no,
he played against Tennessee and lost. I think that was
the game they should not have lost.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
So they lost against the Chargers seventeen thirteen and had
four interceptions that game, and then Minnesota okay, and then
then they played the Raiders.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
They won that one fifteen to nine.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
But he only threw one touchdown one interception in that
game in one hundred.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
And twelve passes.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
And that was his last start.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
YEP, December sixteenth, and then they went to Michael Pennick Junior.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
I would say that somebody, based on an injury, I
would say that k Cousins would be a guy that
somebody that it was off to a good start and
their starter goes down and you have a chance to
get Kirk Cousins for maybe, you know, not much. Somebody
will take a shot, and you could easily argue that
(15:17):
last year he was still not well. Yeah, coming off
that injury, you might see a better version of him
this year
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