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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back, Dave Logan, Ryan Edwards, Orlando Franklin and study
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I'll get some more reaction and thoughts in the first
two days of training camp, the acclimation period leading up
to tomorrow where the fans finally get a chance to
watch this team get ready for the twenty twenty five season. Today, Talanoa,
(00:22):
Hufanga and Quinn Miners spoke with the Met's some good
stuff from Talanoa.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
We'll get to that here in just a little bit.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
But I thought this stuff from Quinn Miners talking about
the offensive line shift in philosophy based in reaction to
last year how the running game went.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Here's what Quinn had to say about that.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
I would not necessarily say it's running back to Pennon.
I would say it's what our philosophy is in the
run game, and that.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Has changed a little bit.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
And so it's about all of us trusting that philosophy,
trusting those angles, and all of us working together.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Because the running back.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
And a line.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Both of those are only as good as each other.
And so through this camp, you know, we're going to
be working together to keep improving, get this run game going.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Okay, So what does that mean to you as a
resident offensive lineman? Here? What is changing the philosophy?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
And we're only as good as each other working together?
Speaker 5 (01:18):
It just sounds like more more of an identity. You
know last year which watching the Broncos, you saw a
little bit of everything, a little bit of power, a
little bit of a gap scheme with the double teams,
and hey, we're going to run your inside zone outside
zone kind of here in Quinn minus right here, it's
it's all zone. We're going back to that wide zone.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Is what that sounds like?
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Yeah, that's what it sounds like to Meay, it doesn't
sound like it's about, you know, kind of the six
hundred versus three hundred, and hey, we're going to get
our double teams and then we're going to jump off
to our linebackers.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
No, can we stay you know, in sync?
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Can I take that three technique and put them five
yards outside of the hash and and I don't necessarily
have to run him backwards, but I got to get
him moving laterally, and if I could do that now,
I'm going to allow my running backs to kind of
read it out one gap at a time and find that.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Crease and still run through that crease with power.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
And you know a lot of times last year, everybody
likes to talk about the running game and say, oh,
like Jabonte wasn't good enough, or that person wasn't good enough,
but everybody wasn't good enough when it it takes all
eleven guys to have a successful run game. So for me,
it's it's more that they're going to they know their
identity right here, right now, and now every single day,
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let's work towards perfecting that identity.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Do you like that fit for this team to go
a little more wide zone?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Do you think that that because it's I mean, certainly
versus power, it seems like a little bit of a
different mindset overall, But do you think that that's a
good fit for this team and including the running backs
that you just added.
Speaker 6 (02:47):
Honestly, I'll I'll answer after I after I see him
a little bit, sure, right, I mean, and I would
know much more so about this than I would, But
you know, the outside zone, if if if you've got
backs that have really good vision, and you can you
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can make a defense run and not have to continually
with double teams, dig them out of their trench and
move them.
Speaker 7 (03:23):
Not that outside zone.
Speaker 6 (03:24):
Is easy, because I think it's I think it's it's difficult, really,
but you do.
Speaker 7 (03:28):
I mean, it requires a defense at.
Speaker 6 (03:31):
The snap of the ball to displace where their run
fit is. In gap scheme football from a I think
from a defensive standpoint, they line up, you know, guard
blocks down. I'm saying, I mean, I know exactly where
that fit is. That that is like big boy like
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Tonkatoy football, the outside zone. If you've got backs that
have great vision, those defenders have to run and sometimes
not always, but sometimes they displace themselves just because they're
not you know, they're not disciplined enough, and it's hard
to know exactly. Okay, it's outside, don't where's my fit now?
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My fit is it might be four or five six
yards outside of where it was when the ball snapped, right,
So I like it, you know, I like the inside
and the outside zone stuff. But that's you know, that's
because I you know, with coach Shanahan and a lot
of guys in more familiar with that than I would
be with the gap scheme.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
I was never outside the zone guy. I've always played
gap scheme, and hey, power and grit your team, and
I'm going to take that three technique and put them
five yards backwards and jump off to the linebacker. I
think outside zone is one of the hardest things to
do from an offensive line standpoint. You got to be flexible,
You got to be able to kind of have real
like good hit mobility.
Speaker 7 (04:54):
Got to be athletic.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
I was. I was an athlete catching haymakers on Thursday night.
Were yeah, right, you were.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
But looking at the Broncos and looking at what they
tried to do last year, I saw a team that
struggled up front with it was almost like they were
doing too many things. And to Dave's point, when you
can run the outside zone very effectively, it puts a
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defense in conflict because so much of what a defense
does it's about the defensive line and the linebackers and
how do they fit off of each other. And now
when you have a three technique and you tell that
three technique that instead of firing off the field and
going straight, that you're going to have to run laterally
to your left five yards, four or five yards, and
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you're going to have to be in that gap.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
With power and not allow that offensive.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
Linemans just to jump off and go get that linebacker
that he outweighs by eighty pounds. It really puts you
in conflict. So I've even though, like for myself, I've
always loved the physicality of football because at some point,
you know, I put my pants on the same way
that you put your pants on. For my love for
the Broncos, I think that this is a scene Ryan
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put his pants on.
Speaker 6 (06:13):
It just jumps into them, right, I mean, seriously, is
remarkably athletic move.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Well, after my wife picks him out for me, well
there you go. You know, well she likes the skinny jeans.
She just says, I have nice legs.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
You got to show the caves for sure.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
I just, I mean, I just he did it one
time here, had an accident, came back, got back in
his pants, jumped both legs in.
Speaker 7 (06:38):
It's just, I mean, it as close to a tin
as I've seen.
Speaker 8 (06:41):
Man.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Good for you again, I I everybody has like the
old one leg at a time, but it's very old school.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
We can, we can, we can, we can evolve as
humans and as men to two legs at a time.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
You know what I like about it? He prefaced the
move by saying, watch this. I had no idea what
he was doing. It came in without his chants on,
but I mean it was it was well done, well done.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
It was awkward for me when you had HR on
speed dial.
Speaker 7 (07:12):
Yeah, and I was like, wow, we actually had an
HR department. I wouldn't even know where to call. I'd
really yeah, like.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
You like HR, Like this isn't the first time you
called HR on me.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
We may be the biggest media company in the world
without an HR department.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
I'm sure there's one.
Speaker 6 (07:27):
Oh well, you know we could find if we could
push the envelope and find out, we'll find out.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Yeah, we got another hour and forty five minutes.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Here.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Here's one more from Quinn Miners talking about this. I thought,
because he was asked the question if the new running backs,
how much that influences what they do on the offensive liners.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
We said, it's more about our philosophy and angles that
we're trying to create. Obviously, each back has their own
you know, individuality and personality to themselves. But right now,
what we're trying to develop in our offense.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Is is a.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Very specific and detailed run game, and that is about
all of us being on the same track and the
same page, getting to the same landmark. It's that way
we can all find success and we're all getting to
the right places at the right time.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
So he said landmark right there. Now, I saw you
smile because.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
That's yeah, Because I mean, like when you are a
double team gap team, like, hey, we're gonna take these guys,
We're going to get them, We're going to get them
moving backwards.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
It's understood that it's.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Like, hey, I'm going to take half of this guy,
you'll take the other half, and and let's kind of
grit our teave and grind him about of here.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
But when you go to that wide zone or that.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
Mid or even just some of your inside zone stuff,
that's where you got to be precise. You know, where
does my hat go, where does my front side hand go,
where does my backside hand, and a lot of these things.
By you taking the right aiming point and going on
the right landmark and you're on that right track, the
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defensive lineman runs itself completely out of the playing It
really saves your body So even though I've always been
a power guy, and I really wish that at some
point I ended up in a zone scheme because I
could see how it really helps a football team run
the football and really how you could almost even save
your body for offensive Lindman, because the hits are not
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as big as they used to be.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Hanging out.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
You know, there's three guys hanging out in studio, don't
know what's going on.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
The more appropriate, inappropriate things are the stuff that been
Albright shows up in right, I mean, you know, short
shorts again.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Just I don't know, man, dress like an adult, That's
all I gotta say. You know it bins off today.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
You don't like the sleeves, sleeves, suns out, guns out.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
He just.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
He's forty five, Like, what do we do it here?
Speaker 4 (09:51):
You want a little bit more flannel in his closet?
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Well, I just say there's a respectful way to go
about things in flannel is a good look for that,
good look for respectful.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, wow, I know it doesn't look like fifty five. Really, No,
I'm kidding.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
I thought he looked a lot younger than that.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Well night, I'm sure he appreciates that. Wherever you're sitting
right now. Yeah, that's interesting. It's the mangy looking beard,
that's that's the thing that really throws it off. We're
just with the running backs so so far in two
days in it's JK, it's r J, it's Jaliel and
then Odric and then you got Bade and Blake Watson.
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So I honestly, and we'll see how this thing sort
of shakes out. Of course, Sean Payton hates it when
we start counting, told us don't count.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
But my goodness, it does look like that's probably gonna
be the order of things.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
It's gonna be the JK and r J show, and
I imagine we'll see some Jalil McLoughlin. And if those
guys stay healthy going into the season, that is your
running back group.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
You want to push back on that, Oh, I'm not.
Speaker 6 (10:55):
I'm not gonna I'm not going to entertain this conversation
because I'm not going to get the guy.
Speaker 7 (11:00):
From Sean when he says, somebody.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
Tells him, you know Ryan and Dave and Oh we're
talking about they have the running back room figured out. Yeah, no,
I think that's I think you're probably right. JK, R J.
Harvey Jaliel. I think, yes, yes, I'm not sure what
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he will be, but that's for them to figure out.
I've always thought Blake Watson was a skilled athlete, especially
in the passing game, and so he can run it,
but he's really good as a receiver. So I don't
know and estimate estimate brings you know, something in power
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and size and strength. But I do think I do
think he's got to have, you know, a good camp.
I mean, I think he's got to. There were timeslast
year that I thought he'd hit for a rookie that
I thought he really looked good, and I think he's
got to build on that.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
Yeah, looking at their their roster, you know when you
look at JK. Dobbins and RJ other guys have just
got here a couple of months ago. So you even
though it's a little surprising to me kind of that
you open up training camp and those are that's your
one two, I understand it, you know, getting those guys
the reps and getting them in the system and letting
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them hear it over and over and over again. But
also the opportunity to work with that first team offensive
line because it's so drastically different when you go with
that one unit versus the two unit and training camp
like offensive line wise. Sure, so really getting those guys
a custom where you got a guy like Jeli mcgoffin, Well,
you're going into year three of Sean Payton's offense, right,
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Audrick estimate. I think that he's got to have a
great camp, like Dave said as well, and he's really
got to be banging on special teams coach saying, hey,
you know, can I get on punt? Can I can
I get on apart return? How do I get on kickoff?
Kickoff return? He's got to be really willing to play
those as well and try to emerge as one of
the big four ones it's all said and done. But
he's also already been here, so he's got OTA, he's
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got you know, year two of OTA's he's got a
full training camp in Sean Payton's system. So you know,
really seeing JK and RJ, you know, those guys getting
majority of the reps. I think it's the right way
to kind of get those guys adjusted in this system.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, it's an interesting point you bring up, because there
isn't really an incumbent.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
If you will, it probably would be Jalil.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
If Javonte was still here, that would be the quote
unquote incumbent. But yeah, Jeli will be the closest to that.
But this is clearly an indication as Sean has told
us at multiple points, including at the combine, that he
didn't think they were good at the running back room.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
They knew they were.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Going to add to it.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
They said they were going to add to it in
the draft. They additude and free agency as well. So
it isn't too much of a surprise to your point.
But then that's also much of an indication of we
need these guys getting the reps with the first team,
kind of going along with what Quinn Minor said there
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Congratulations to Nathaniel Hackett who was picked up by the
Packers today and uh, do you know what his role
is going to be.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
If you did you see what his role is on
the Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 6 (14:33):
I didn't see what it was named. I saw that
he was signed signed a deal.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yep, he's an analyst role for the defense.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Somebody's got to win this game.
Speaker 7 (14:44):
Thank you, coach.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
And of course the jokes that immediately flew out after
that is, well, it's a good role for Hackett. Is
there might not be a better coach who knows how
to stop an offense man.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
You sort of feel for him a little bit on that,
you know what.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
I'd say that that move is.
Speaker 7 (15:06):
I would say that he left.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
Uh in good graces and is probably well thought of
in the building. And that's the position they had opened.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
That's where I'm at.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
I mean, people helping out people and hey, you know,
we don't have nothing on offense.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
For you, but we'll get you back in the door
for sure. And obviously, you know.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
When you look at Nathaniel Hackett, if you take away
the last couple of years, like people were randing and
raping about him in that Packers organization, and that was
before the whole Aaron Rodgers and the Broncos might get
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
He still was doing an okay job.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
It's just he got mixed with the wrong quarterback man
and just how it all kind of unraveled. But this
on defense, I just think it's how do you get
back in the building, yep? And when you get back
in the building, how does your team win games? And
then when your team's winning games, it's, oh, yeah, you
know what Nathaniels available? You know, another team picks him
up to do something on offense at some point.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
I don't want to sound mean, so I'm going to
try to couch this in the most positive way I
possibly can. But it isn't this sort of indicative of
some of the issues that the NFL has with the
gold Boys club and being able to like Nathaniel Hackett
over the last three years has done nothing but be
part of failing football. And yet he's still going to work.
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And I'm not saying he can't work and he shouldn't work.
He's got a family and all those kinds of things.
But he can stay around in the NFL, not just
this year, but even beyond, Like we're goet and maybe
he gets a chance to redeem himself.
Speaker 7 (16:50):
Who knows.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
But he didn't have to go to college.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
He didn't have to go coach in high school, or
he got to stay in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
He's in the NF. He's coaching in the NFL. He's
getting an NFL paycheck.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Why would you do that after three straight years of
abject failure at what he does.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
No guaranteed contracts for players, but head coaches sure as
well get it. So if you don't want to go
to college, you don't have to go to college. You
don't have to go anywhere if you don't want to
go anywhere. And that's what's a little bit unfair about
the contracts that happened in the National Football League. But
so many times you see guys that you think they
know what they're doing coaching was, but they don't, and
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they don't know how to get you to do what
they want you to do. They don't know how to
break your game down and say, okay, you know what,
I have a drill for that, or hey, let's watch
film on this. It's us, hey do this, and I
need you to do this so I can keep my job.
But if you don't break it down to a player,
you're not going to be able to develop that guy.
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When you become a head coach. The best head coaches
hire guys that are going to fight for their jobs
and keep them as a head coach.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Is that you harsh for me to say, Dave.
Speaker 7 (18:03):
No, I think.
Speaker 6 (18:06):
I think coaches in the NFL, coaches that get hired
it's a comfort level.
Speaker 7 (18:15):
That the head coach or the GM.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
Or the owner I think in some cases has with
that particular candidate, whether it's in an interview or whether
it's past experiences. In this case, Hackett was in green
Bay for quite some time, and again my guess is
that you know, the organization liked him and thought he
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was a good coach, and they probably look at the
Denver thing and say, well, that was that thing was
set up for failure right from the jump, and they
probably don't blame him for that, right, So WHOA Well,
I mean, I would say green Bay. Probably green Bay's
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not hiring him as a head coach.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Yeah, I would say, But when he was there before, Yeah, right,
So I.
Speaker 6 (19:07):
Would say the Packers look at that, and I would
say they probably Hackett fans in the league probably do
not place all the blame of what happened with his
short tenure as a head coach in Denver All on
Nate Hackett.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
I mean, I guess, I guess that's part of the
show game that you play in.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
This is well, it happens all the time. Yeah, And
so that's what.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
I'm saying, Like, it's not even specific him. We've just
seen so many examples of that where coaches stick around
in the league.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Now, Hey, you know.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Pat Shermer, for example, It's a guy that was in
the league for a long time. Now he's the OC
up there in Colorado, sort of reinventing himself a little
bit by by doing that and get taking that job.
And I'm sure he'd like to get back into the
NFL at some point and maybe have an opportunity.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
I just feel like when I saw that headline.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Today, I just I thought, you know, it's not like
I'm wishing Ill Will on Nathaniel Hackett. I think that'd
be the wrong mentality about it, because it's gone and
gone and we're into a much better era now of
Broncos football. But at the same time, I also feel
for the people that feel to say the NFL doesn't
do enough to advance other candidates, They don't do enough
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to get fresh voices, so fresh ideas to the forefront
keep hiring the same people that are doing the same
bad coaching.
Speaker 6 (20:23):
But in this case, he's not going to be coaching.
In this case, hiring him is about somebody that you're
comfortable with and you trust and you know is going
to be a grinder and do exactly what he's told
to do. So listen, I understand your point too. I mean,
I think that the league. The league is about whether
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it's a head coach or assistant coaches, it's who they
are comfortable with in an interview or I've worked with
this guy for three years before. He's a good dude,
shows up early, stays late, you know, he's got good
work ethic. It's it's a comfort level that the decision
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maker has with one of those candidates.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Yeah, and a lot of times too, it's this head
coach has you know, the same his agent represents a
couple other guys as well. So you'll have some of
these coaches agents pushing them along saying, hey, I know
this guy. You know he is ready, he is this
great guy. He could he's going to grind for you
or whatever the case may be. And these head coaches
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are taking that, you know, taking their agent's word for it.
But if you're not in it every single day and
you not seeing these guys or the guys that they
have developed, it's going to be tough sledded. So you know,
this type of job that Nathaniel Hacketts get in, it's
not the everyday coaching aspect. It's it's not trying to
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get a guy to do you know this and progress
and you know, how do you develop this person? And
it's using his eyes and doing kind of what Dave said,
doing exactly what he's supposed to do. But there's obviously
a level of trust with those defensive court coaches now
and what Nathaniel Hackett's going to the information that he's
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going to be relaying to them.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Yeah, that's fair, that's fair.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Like I said, I don't want to sound too harsh
because he's got a family, he's got to work.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
This is what he's done his entire life. His father
obviously did it as well.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
I mean, he's fine financially, he's been a head coach
in this league recently.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
True, and you said it guaranteed money. He's still getting
paid most year.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
How many years of maybe he just now is not
getting paid by the Broncos.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
I think this would be this is going in a
year three for Sean Payton. Oh then yeah, he's so
he's still gonna not check this year.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
This is what I mean for real. Anyways, it is
what it is. I don't want to harp on it.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Congratulations to the Taniel Hackett, but you're also part of
the problem. The other thing that I wanted to get
to here was the news we got this morning about
Justin Fields out in New York, And boy, Dave, I
know I tend to have this let's place these players
in bubble wrap mentality, like do we really need this
guy working hard or how much do you have to
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work in training camp at practices to get ready for
the season.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Well, Justin Fields had his footstepped on.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
We'll found out out for the fact, the first report
was he's being carted off the field, and that has
got to be one of the top maybe one, if
not top two things you never want to hear about
your quarterback for any NFL team if you're a fan, Right, Like,
my quarterback just got carted off the field for crying
out loud on July twenty fourth, but apparently dislocated toe
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on his right foot and he is day today. But
my goodness, man, what a scary moment there for the
just maybe this Jetter's snake bit.
Speaker 7 (23:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
I was watching Get Up actually when the news broke,
and Mike Greenberg, who was the host of that show
on ESPN, who was a devout, lifelong Jets fan, I
thought was going to have some sort of convulsion. I
mean it was I thought it was an honest reaction.
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I mean, he it was all he could do. And
then he'd played played it off, I thought in kind
of a funny way. But initially he was crest falling
because he said, I think they're going to be pretty
good this year. Now, of course, then the idea that
you might be losing your starting quarterback this early in
training camp, but yeah, you got to I meant, you've
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got to get them ready to take some snaps and
so there there.
Speaker 7 (24:41):
It's a risk inherent game, and.
Speaker 6 (24:44):
There's no way to alleviate all the risk, no matter
you know how hard coaches and training staffs and what
should we do and let's not do this anymore. You
do a lot of that, but it's just the game
of football.
Speaker 5 (24:59):
Nothing about the game of a ball is where you
just played two hand touch. I mean all the people
that sit here and talk about, hey, you know, what
are we doing here? You're getting these guys ready to
play a long, grueling season and a sport that has
one hundred percent injury.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Yeah, like you're going into games like what Justin feels got.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
I would pray for one of those, like show up
a trading camera, like, hopefully I dislocated toe this year.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Hopefully, you know, I'd.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
Take a broken finger, maybe some bruised ribs, like.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
The worst things that could happen to. Yeah, That's what
I'm hoping for, right, So you know.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
And I was here with the Broncos, and we did
it a certain way with the Broncos, and we grind it.
In my whole off season, I kind of hey, this month,
I'm going to do this, and next month, I'm going
to level up and this and that. And I left
the Broncos and went to the Chargers and my agent said, hey,
don't work out like I don't want you to go
as hard. If you're going to work out, just just
lift some weights in the weight room, but don't cut
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it loose like you're gonna have to take a physical
when you get to whatever team you signed with. And
I took my agent's advice Ryan, and my agent was
Drew Rosenhower, and at any given time he had one hundred
and sixty players in the National Football League during my
time and after taking his advice and not really getting
ready for the season, no season, I missed.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Eight games that year.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
Wow, Like there's something to be said about like callouson
these guys and really kind of saying, hey, you know what,
like here's the block. We're going to lay that block
today and then the next day we're going to lay
another and the next day. Like you cannot sit there
and look at a sport that's so violent, so physical
and say we're not going to.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Do any of that and we're just going to cut
it loose on game day. No.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
And by the way, it's good to hear that that
wasn't the NFLPA president giving you that advice, because that
could have been, you know, collusion.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
But I think that that's fascinating.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
We've talked about it quite a bit over the last
few weeks as we're getting ready for training camp, about
the amount of work. And I remember asking you last week,
I think it was Dave about Nathaniel Hackett's training camp
which was criticized. Right even though there are other teams
around the league, the rams come to mind. I think
the forty nine ers are one of these teams. They
come to mind where they they don't push the guy
as hard as they possibly get. Some of them don't
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even play their starters in preseason at all anymore, Like
they just completely shut that out. So finding that balance,
for me, and especially with what we know about strength
and conditioning now, I find extremely fascinating because it seems
like every single team thinks they have it figured out.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Some teams really do.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Succeed despite the fact that you think that there has
to be a way to do this, like there has
to be a way to callous a player to get
him ready.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Every team has a different opinion it.
Speaker 7 (27:27):
Yeah, the only way to do that is to play
a little.
Speaker 6 (27:32):
I thought the mistake that he made in training camp
was that to me, he sort of came in with
a lot of bells and whistles in cool ways for
players to learn and the film with you know, movie clips,
and a lot of coaches are doing that now. But
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that and that's fine, But that training camp and practice
during the year has to look like an NFL training
camp and practice during the year, and it didn't.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
And players they may say, well.
Speaker 6 (28:13):
You know, we're gonna get it, We're gonna get ready
and all that. Players, if they're not football is the
kind of game that you have to get. I think
players have to get their minds right, and coaches at
the NFL level have to help them get their minds right.
It's not something you're going to put yourself through. It's
like saying you're going to work out all off season
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by yourself, and you think you're going to come into
camp you know, ready, ready to go, you're not. Because
that staff, medical staff, training staff, coaching staff, they're going
to require things from you that you just would not
put yourself through if you didn't have to. And I thought,
I thought Nate Hackett it was a little bit too
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much of the bougie sort of like young look at
you know, hip coach man. You got to you've got
to earn the respect of the players and show hey, fellas, if.
Speaker 7 (29:11):
We do these things, this is how we win.
Speaker 6 (29:16):
And if we win, everybody is going to make more money.
And he just I thought he I thought he did
not do a good job.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
Of that, missed the opportunities to really get after these
guys but also help them with their mindset of being
in that uncomfortable place and not wanting to go. Like,
you know, I think John Fox was a heck of
a player's coach, But a lot of that was because
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I knew what to expect with him every single day.
If we were on a five gay women's street, we
were still going to show up on money. We weren't
going to get no victory mondays like, so he was
going to be the same way every single day. And
and I just look at the game of football. That's
from a coaching standpoint, you have to take your opportunities
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to really allow your guys to grow and develop. And
that's when that happens a lot when they're in a
very uncomfortable position.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
So let me ask you guys last thing on this.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
So for the lesson, is there a lesson for what
happened with justin feels like is there anything to take
away from that? Like, for you're a Jets fan, I
mean you're thankful it's not more serious.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
No, I don't think so either. No, I just I
feel like it's just I have not.
Speaker 7 (30:34):
It's not a pleasant experience.
Speaker 8 (30:37):
It's it's like they'll they'll have to be careful with
him in terms of how long this thing takes because
oh gosh, did they say which toe?
Speaker 1 (30:51):
They just said this location on his right foot. I
saw somewhere that it's not his big toe.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
I've done three on my right foot now, I've had
them too, But.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
I don't know if that that was confirmed or anything.
That's just all that they're saying is that the X
rays were negative for fractures.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Gone, it's gonna get that steel plate, as is your
insul underneath your insul now inger then.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
What you were if you try to come back to absolutely,
if I try to come back too soon and they
all they all try to come back before they're ready,
that's just that's how the game's played. But yeah, then
you get the you get the plate under your foot,
and then that at times, and I've seen this happen
with one player, one teammate of mine. It uh, your
gate is different because of the steel plate, and you're
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more susceptible to other sort of injuries.
Speaker 7 (31:39):
He had an unbelievably.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
Bad hamstring pull after he came back from the dislocated toe.
So yeah, that's it's that's not a good thing.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
No, not at all.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
All right, come up here at the top of the hour,
we'll get into some of the observations from today's training camp.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Practice again. Tomorrow opens up for the fans.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
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I'll get some more reaction and thoughts in the first
two days of training camp, the acclimation period leading up
to tomorrow where the fans finally get a chance to
watch this team get ready for the twenty twenty five season. Today, Talanoa,
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Hufanga and Quinn Miners spoke with the Met's some good
stuff from Talanoa.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
We'll get to that here in just a little bit.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
But I thought this stuff from Quinn Miners talking about
the offensive line shift in philosophy based in reaction to
last year how the running game went.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Here's what Quinn had to say about that.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
I would not necessarily say it's running back to Pennon.
I would say it's what our philosophy is in the
run game, and that.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Has changed a little bit.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
And so it's about all of us trusting that philosophy,
trusting those angles, and all of us working together.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Because the running back.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
And a line.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Both of those are only as good as each other.
And so through this camp, you know, we're going to
be working together to keep improving, get this run game going.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Okay, So what does that mean to you as a
resident offensive lineman? Here? What is changing the philosophy?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
And we're only as good as each other working together?
Speaker 5 (01:18):
It just sounds like more more of an identity. You
know last year which watching the Broncos, you saw a
little bit of everything, a little bit of power, a
little bit of a gap scheme with the double teams,
and hey, we're going to run your inside zone outside
zone kind of here in Quinn minus right here, it's
it's all zone. We're going back to that wide zone.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Is what that sounds like?
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Yeah, that's what it sounds like to Meay, it doesn't
sound like it's about, you know, kind of the six
hundred versus three hundred, and hey, we're going to get
our double teams and then we're going to jump off
to our linebackers.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
No, can we stay you know, in sync?
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Can I take that three technique and put them five
yards outside of the hash and and I don't necessarily
have to run him backwards, but I got to get
him moving laterally, and if I could do that now,
I'm going to allow my running backs to kind of
read it out one gap at a time and find that.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Crease and still run through that crease with power.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
And you know a lot of times last year, everybody
likes to talk about the running game and say, oh,
like Jabonte wasn't good enough, or that person wasn't good enough,
but everybody wasn't good enough when it it takes all
eleven guys to have a successful run game. So for me,
it's it's more that they're going to they know their
identity right here, right now, and now every single day,
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let's work towards perfecting that identity.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Do you like that fit for this team to go
a little more wide zone?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Do you think that that because it's I mean, certainly
versus power, it seems like a little bit of a
different mindset overall, But do you think that that's a
good fit for this team and including the running backs
that you just added.
Speaker 6 (02:47):
Honestly, I'll I'll answer after I after I see him
a little bit, sure, right, I mean, and I would
know much more so about this than I would, But
you know, the outside zone, if if if you've got
backs that have really good vision, and you can you
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can make a defense run and not have to continually
with double teams, dig them out of their trench and
move them.
Speaker 7 (03:23):
Not that outside zone.
Speaker 6 (03:24):
Is easy, because I think it's I think it's it's difficult, really,
but you do.
Speaker 7 (03:28):
I mean, it requires a defense at.
Speaker 6 (03:31):
The snap of the ball to displace where their run
fit is. In gap scheme football from a I think
from a defensive standpoint, they line up, you know, guard
blocks down. I'm saying, I mean, I know exactly where
that fit is. That that is like big boy like
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Tonkatoy football, the outside zone. If you've got backs that
have great vision, those defenders have to run and sometimes
not always, but sometimes they displace themselves just because they're
not you know, they're not disciplined enough, and it's hard
to know exactly. Okay, it's outside, don't where's my fit now?
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My fit is it might be four or five six
yards outside of where it was when the ball snapped, right,
So I like it, you know, I like the inside
and the outside zone stuff. But that's you know, that's
because I you know, with coach Shanahan and a lot
of guys in more familiar with that than I would
be with the gap scheme.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
I was never outside the zone guy. I've always played
gap scheme, and hey, power and grit your team, and
I'm going to take that three technique and put them
five yards backwards and jump off to the linebacker. I
think outside zone is one of the hardest things to
do from an offensive line standpoint. You got to be flexible,
You got to be able to kind of have real
like good hit mobility.
Speaker 7 (04:54):
Got to be athletic.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
I was. I was an athlete catching haymakers on Thursday night.
Were yeah, right, you were.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
But looking at the Broncos and looking at what they
tried to do last year, I saw a team that
struggled up front with it was almost like they were
doing too many things. And to Dave's point, when you
can run the outside zone very effectively, it puts a
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defense in conflict because so much of what a defense
does it's about the defensive line and the linebackers and
how do they fit off of each other. And now
when you have a three technique and you tell that
three technique that instead of firing off the field and
going straight, that you're going to have to run laterally
to your left five yards, four or five yards, and
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you're going to have to be in that gap.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
With power and not allow that offensive.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
Linemans just to jump off and go get that linebacker
that he outweighs by eighty pounds. It really puts you
in conflict. So I've even though, like for myself, I've
always loved the physicality of football because at some point,
you know, I put my pants on the same way
that you put your pants on. For my love for
the Broncos, I think that this is a scene Ryan
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put his pants on.
Speaker 6 (06:13):
It just jumps into them, right, I mean, seriously, is
remarkably athletic move.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Well, after my wife picks him out for me, well
there you go. You know, well she likes the skinny jeans.
She just says, I have nice legs.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
You got to show the caves for sure.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
I just, I mean, I just he did it one
time here, had an accident, came back, got back in
his pants, jumped both legs in.
Speaker 7 (06:38):
It's just, I mean, it as close to a tin
as I've seen.
Speaker 8 (06:41):
Man.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Good for you again, I I everybody has like the
old one leg at a time, but it's very old school.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
We can, we can, we can, we can evolve as
humans and as men to two legs at a time.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
You know what I like about it? He prefaced the
move by saying, watch this. I had no idea what
he was doing. It came in without his chants on,
but I mean it was it was well done, well done.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
It was awkward for me when you had HR on
speed dial.
Speaker 7 (07:12):
Yeah, and I was like, wow, we actually had an
HR department. I wouldn't even know where to call. I'd
really yeah, like.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
You like HR, Like this isn't the first time you
called HR on me.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
We may be the biggest media company in the world
without an HR department.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
I'm sure there's one.
Speaker 6 (07:27):
Oh well, you know we could find if we could
push the envelope and find out, we'll find out.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Yeah, we got another hour and forty five minutes.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Here.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Here's one more from Quinn Miners talking about this. I thought,
because he was asked the question if the new running backs,
how much that influences what they do on the offensive liners.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
We said, it's more about our philosophy and angles that
we're trying to create. Obviously, each back has their own
you know, individuality and personality to themselves. But right now,
what we're trying to develop in our offense.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Is is a.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Very specific and detailed run game, and that is about
all of us being on the same track and the
same page, getting to the same landmark. It's that way
we can all find success and we're all getting to
the right places at the right time.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
So he said landmark right there. Now, I saw you
smile because.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
That's yeah, Because I mean, like when you are a
double team gap team, like, hey, we're gonna take these guys,
We're going to get them, We're going to get them
moving backwards.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
It's understood that it's.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Like, hey, I'm going to take half of this guy,
you'll take the other half, and and let's kind of
grit our teave and grind him about of here.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
But when you go to that wide zone or that.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
Mid or even just some of your inside zone stuff,
that's where you got to be precise. You know, where
does my hat go, where does my front side hand go,
where does my backside hand, and a lot of these things.
By you taking the right aiming point and going on
the right landmark and you're on that right track, the
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defensive lineman runs itself completely out of the playing It
really saves your body So even though I've always been
a power guy, and I really wish that at some
point I ended up in a zone scheme because I
could see how it really helps a football team run
the football and really how you could almost even save
your body for offensive Lindman, because the hits are not
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as big as they used to be.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Hanging out.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
You know, there's three guys hanging out in studio, don't
know what's going on.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
The more appropriate, inappropriate things are the stuff that been
Albright shows up in right, I mean, you know, short
shorts again.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Just I don't know, man, dress like an adult, That's
all I gotta say. You know it bins off today.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
You don't like the sleeves, sleeves, suns out, guns out.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
He just.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
He's forty five, Like, what do we do it here?
Speaker 4 (09:51):
You want a little bit more flannel in his closet?
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Well, I just say there's a respectful way to go
about things in flannel is a good look for that,
good look for respectful.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, wow, I know it doesn't look like fifty five. Really, No,
I'm kidding.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
I thought he looked a lot younger than that.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Well night, I'm sure he appreciates that. Wherever you're sitting
right now. Yeah, that's interesting. It's the mangy looking beard,
that's that's the thing that really throws it off. We're
just with the running backs so so far in two
days in it's JK, it's r J, it's Jaliel and
then Odric and then you got Bade and Blake Watson.
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So I honestly, and we'll see how this thing sort
of shakes out. Of course, Sean Payton hates it when
we start counting, told us don't count.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
But my goodness, it does look like that's probably gonna
be the order of things.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
It's gonna be the JK and r J show, and
I imagine we'll see some Jalil McLoughlin. And if those
guys stay healthy going into the season, that is your
running back group.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
You want to push back on that, Oh, I'm not.
Speaker 6 (10:55):
I'm not gonna I'm not going to entertain this conversation
because I'm not going to get the guy.
Speaker 7 (11:00):
From Sean when he says, somebody.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
Tells him, you know Ryan and Dave and Oh we're
talking about they have the running back room figured out. Yeah, no,
I think that's I think you're probably right. JK, R J.
Harvey Jaliel. I think, yes, yes, I'm not sure what
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he will be, but that's for them to figure out.
I've always thought Blake Watson was a skilled athlete, especially
in the passing game, and so he can run it,
but he's really good as a receiver. So I don't
know and estimate estimate brings you know, something in power
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and size and strength. But I do think I do
think he's got to have, you know, a good camp.
I mean, I think he's got to. There were timeslast
year that I thought he'd hit for a rookie that
I thought he really looked good, and I think he's
got to build on that.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
Yeah, looking at their their roster, you know when you
look at JK. Dobbins and RJ other guys have just
got here a couple of months ago. So you even
though it's a little surprising to me kind of that
you open up training camp and those are that's your
one two, I understand it, you know, getting those guys
the reps and getting them in the system and letting
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them hear it over and over and over again. But
also the opportunity to work with that first team offensive
line because it's so drastically different when you go with
that one unit versus the two unit and training camp
like offensive line wise. Sure, so really getting those guys
a custom where you got a guy like Jeli mcgoffin, Well,
you're going into year three of Sean Payton's offense, right,
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Audrick estimate. I think that he's got to have a
great camp, like Dave said as well, and he's really
got to be banging on special teams coach saying, hey,
you know, can I get on punt? Can I can
I get on apart return? How do I get on kickoff?
Kickoff return? He's got to be really willing to play
those as well and try to emerge as one of
the big four ones it's all said and done. But
he's also already been here, so he's got OTA, he's
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got you know, year two of OTA's he's got a
full training camp in Sean Payton's system. So you know,
really seeing JK and RJ, you know, those guys getting
majority of the reps. I think it's the right way
to kind of get those guys adjusted in this system.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, it's an interesting point you bring up, because there
isn't really an incumbent.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
If you will, it probably would be Jalil.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
If Javonte was still here, that would be the quote
unquote incumbent. But yeah, Jeli will be the closest to that.
But this is clearly an indication as Sean has told
us at multiple points, including at the combine, that he
didn't think they were good at the running back room.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
They knew they were.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Going to add to it.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
They said they were going to add to it in
the draft. They additude and free agency as well. So
it isn't too much of a surprise to your point.
But then that's also much of an indication of we
need these guys getting the reps with the first team,
kind of going along with what Quinn Minor said there
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Congratulations to Nathaniel Hackett who was picked up by the
Packers today and uh, do you know what his role
is going to be.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
If you did you see what his role is on
the Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 6 (14:33):
I didn't see what it was named. I saw that
he was signed signed a deal.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yep, he's an analyst role for the defense.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Somebody's got to win this game.
Speaker 7 (14:44):
Thank you, coach.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
And of course the jokes that immediately flew out after
that is, well, it's a good role for Hackett. Is
there might not be a better coach who knows how
to stop an offense man.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
You sort of feel for him a little bit on that,
you know what.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
I'd say that that move is.
Speaker 7 (15:06):
I would say that he left.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
Uh in good graces and is probably well thought of
in the building. And that's the position they had opened.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
That's where I'm at.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
I mean, people helping out people and hey, you know,
we don't have nothing on offense.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
For you, but we'll get you back in the door
for sure. And obviously, you know.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
When you look at Nathaniel Hackett, if you take away
the last couple of years, like people were randing and
raping about him in that Packers organization, and that was
before the whole Aaron Rodgers and the Broncos might get
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
He still was doing an okay job.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
It's just he got mixed with the wrong quarterback man
and just how it all kind of unraveled. But this
on defense, I just think it's how do you get
back in the building, yep? And when you get back
in the building, how does your team win games? And
then when your team's winning games, it's, oh, yeah, you
know what Nathaniels available? You know, another team picks him
up to do something on offense at some point.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
I don't want to sound mean, so I'm going to
try to couch this in the most positive way I
possibly can. But it isn't this sort of indicative of
some of the issues that the NFL has with the
gold Boys club and being able to like Nathaniel Hackett
over the last three years has done nothing but be
part of failing football. And yet he's still going to work.
(16:38):
And I'm not saying he can't work and he shouldn't work.
He's got a family and all those kinds of things.
But he can stay around in the NFL, not just
this year, but even beyond, Like we're goet and maybe
he gets a chance to redeem himself.
Speaker 7 (16:50):
Who knows.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
But he didn't have to go to college.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
He didn't have to go coach in high school, or
he got to stay in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
He's in the NF. He's coaching in the NFL. He's
getting an NFL paycheck.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Why would you do that after three straight years of
abject failure at what he does.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
No guaranteed contracts for players, but head coaches sure as
well get it. So if you don't want to go
to college, you don't have to go to college. You
don't have to go anywhere if you don't want to
go anywhere. And that's what's a little bit unfair about
the contracts that happened in the National Football League. But
so many times you see guys that you think they
know what they're doing coaching was, but they don't, and
(17:30):
they don't know how to get you to do what
they want you to do. They don't know how to
break your game down and say, okay, you know what,
I have a drill for that, or hey, let's watch
film on this. It's us, hey do this, and I
need you to do this so I can keep my job.
But if you don't break it down to a player,
you're not going to be able to develop that guy.
(17:51):
When you become a head coach. The best head coaches
hire guys that are going to fight for their jobs
and keep them as a head coach.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Is that you harsh for me to say, Dave.
Speaker 7 (18:03):
No, I think.
Speaker 6 (18:06):
I think coaches in the NFL, coaches that get hired
it's a comfort level.
Speaker 7 (18:15):
That the head coach or the GM.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
Or the owner I think in some cases has with
that particular candidate, whether it's in an interview or whether
it's past experiences. In this case, Hackett was in green
Bay for quite some time, and again my guess is
that you know, the organization liked him and thought he
(18:40):
was a good coach, and they probably look at the
Denver thing and say, well, that was that thing was
set up for failure right from the jump, and they
probably don't blame him for that, right, So WHOA Well,
I mean, I would say green Bay. Probably green Bay's
(19:02):
not hiring him as a head coach.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Yeah, I would say, But when he was there before, Yeah, right,
So I.
Speaker 6 (19:07):
Would say the Packers look at that, and I would
say they probably Hackett fans in the league probably do
not place all the blame of what happened with his
short tenure as a head coach in Denver All on
Nate Hackett.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
I mean, I guess, I guess that's part of the
show game that you play in.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
This is well, it happens all the time. Yeah, And
so that's what.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
I'm saying, Like, it's not even specific him. We've just
seen so many examples of that where coaches stick around
in the league.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Now, Hey, you know.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Pat Shermer, for example, It's a guy that was in
the league for a long time. Now he's the OC
up there in Colorado, sort of reinventing himself a little
bit by by doing that and get taking that job.
And I'm sure he'd like to get back into the
NFL at some point and maybe have an opportunity.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
I just feel like when I saw that headline.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Today, I just I thought, you know, it's not like
I'm wishing Ill Will on Nathaniel Hackett. I think that'd
be the wrong mentality about it, because it's gone and
gone and we're into a much better era now of
Broncos football. But at the same time, I also feel
for the people that feel to say the NFL doesn't
do enough to advance other candidates, They don't do enough
(20:16):
to get fresh voices, so fresh ideas to the forefront
keep hiring the same people that are doing the same
bad coaching.
Speaker 6 (20:23):
But in this case, he's not going to be coaching.
In this case, hiring him is about somebody that you're
comfortable with and you trust and you know is going
to be a grinder and do exactly what he's told
to do. So listen, I understand your point too. I mean,
I think that the league. The league is about whether
(20:47):
it's a head coach or assistant coaches, it's who they
are comfortable with in an interview or I've worked with
this guy for three years before. He's a good dude,
shows up early, stays late, you know, he's got good
work ethic. It's it's a comfort level that the decision
(21:09):
maker has with one of those candidates.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Yeah, and a lot of times too, it's this head
coach has you know, the same his agent represents a
couple other guys as well. So you'll have some of
these coaches agents pushing them along saying, hey, I know
this guy. You know he is ready, he is this
great guy. He could he's going to grind for you
or whatever the case may be. And these head coaches
(21:34):
are taking that, you know, taking their agent's word for it.
But if you're not in it every single day and
you not seeing these guys or the guys that they
have developed, it's going to be tough sledded. So you know,
this type of job that Nathaniel Hacketts get in, it's
not the everyday coaching aspect. It's it's not trying to
(21:54):
get a guy to do you know this and progress
and you know, how do you develop this person? And
it's using his eyes and doing kind of what Dave said,
doing exactly what he's supposed to do. But there's obviously
a level of trust with those defensive court coaches now
and what Nathaniel Hackett's going to the information that he's
(22:15):
going to be relaying to them.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Yeah, that's fair, that's fair.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Like I said, I don't want to sound too harsh
because he's got a family, he's got to work.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
This is what he's done his entire life. His father
obviously did it as well.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
I mean, he's fine financially, he's been a head coach
in this league recently.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
True, and you said it guaranteed money. He's still getting
paid most year.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
How many years of maybe he just now is not
getting paid by the Broncos.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
I think this would be this is going in a
year three for Sean Payton. Oh then yeah, he's so
he's still gonna not check this year.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
This is what I mean for real. Anyways, it is
what it is. I don't want to harp on it.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Congratulations to the Taniel Hackett, but you're also part of
the problem. The other thing that I wanted to get
to here was the news we got this morning about
Justin Fields out in New York, And boy, Dave, I
know I tend to have this let's place these players
in bubble wrap mentality, like do we really need this
guy working hard or how much do you have to
(23:14):
work in training camp at practices to get ready for
the season.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Well, Justin Fields had his footstepped on.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
We'll found out out for the fact, the first report
was he's being carted off the field, and that has
got to be one of the top maybe one, if
not top two things you never want to hear about
your quarterback for any NFL team if you're a fan, Right, Like,
my quarterback just got carted off the field for crying
out loud on July twenty fourth, but apparently dislocated toe
(23:45):
on his right foot and he is day today. But
my goodness, man, what a scary moment there for the
just maybe this Jetter's snake bit.
Speaker 7 (23:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
I was watching Get Up actually when the news broke,
and Mike Greenberg, who was the host of that show
on ESPN, who was a devout, lifelong Jets fan, I
thought was going to have some sort of convulsion. I
mean it was I thought it was an honest reaction.
(24:15):
I mean, he it was all he could do. And
then he'd played played it off, I thought in kind
of a funny way. But initially he was crest falling
because he said, I think they're going to be pretty
good this year. Now, of course, then the idea that
you might be losing your starting quarterback this early in
training camp, but yeah, you got to I meant, you've
(24:36):
got to get them ready to take some snaps and
so there there.
Speaker 7 (24:41):
It's a risk inherent game, and.
Speaker 6 (24:44):
There's no way to alleviate all the risk, no matter
you know how hard coaches and training staffs and what
should we do and let's not do this anymore. You
do a lot of that, but it's just the game
of football.
Speaker 5 (24:59):
Nothing about the game of a ball is where you
just played two hand touch. I mean all the people
that sit here and talk about, hey, you know, what
are we doing here? You're getting these guys ready to
play a long, grueling season and a sport that has
one hundred percent injury.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Yeah, like you're going into games like what Justin feels got.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
I would pray for one of those, like show up
a trading camera, like, hopefully I dislocated toe this year.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Hopefully, you know, I'd.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
Take a broken finger, maybe some bruised ribs, like.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
The worst things that could happen to. Yeah, That's what
I'm hoping for, right, So you know.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
And I was here with the Broncos, and we did
it a certain way with the Broncos, and we grind it.
In my whole off season, I kind of hey, this month,
I'm going to do this, and next month, I'm going
to level up and this and that. And I left
the Broncos and went to the Chargers and my agent said, hey,
don't work out like I don't want you to go
as hard. If you're going to work out, just just
lift some weights in the weight room, but don't cut
(25:50):
it loose like you're gonna have to take a physical
when you get to whatever team you signed with. And
I took my agent's advice Ryan, and my agent was
Drew Rosenhower, and at any given time he had one hundred
and sixty players in the National Football League during my
time and after taking his advice and not really getting
ready for the season, no season, I missed.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Eight games that year.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
Wow, Like there's something to be said about like callouson
these guys and really kind of saying, hey, you know what,
like here's the block. We're going to lay that block
today and then the next day we're going to lay
another and the next day. Like you cannot sit there
and look at a sport that's so violent, so physical
and say we're not going to.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Do any of that and we're just going to cut
it loose on game day. No.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
And by the way, it's good to hear that that
wasn't the NFLPA president giving you that advice, because that
could have been, you know, collusion.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
But I think that that's fascinating.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
We've talked about it quite a bit over the last
few weeks as we're getting ready for training camp, about
the amount of work. And I remember asking you last week,
I think it was Dave about Nathaniel Hackett's training camp
which was criticized. Right even though there are other teams
around the league, the rams come to mind. I think
the forty nine ers are one of these teams. They
come to mind where they they don't push the guy
as hard as they possibly get. Some of them don't
(27:01):
even play their starters in preseason at all anymore, Like
they just completely shut that out. So finding that balance,
for me, and especially with what we know about strength
and conditioning now, I find extremely fascinating because it seems
like every single team thinks they have it figured out.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Some teams really do.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Succeed despite the fact that you think that there has
to be a way to do this, like there has
to be a way to callous a player to get
him ready.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Every team has a different opinion it.
Speaker 7 (27:27):
Yeah, the only way to do that is to play
a little.
Speaker 6 (27:32):
I thought the mistake that he made in training camp
was that to me, he sort of came in with
a lot of bells and whistles in cool ways for
players to learn and the film with you know, movie clips,
and a lot of coaches are doing that now. But
(27:54):
that and that's fine, But that training camp and practice
during the year has to look like an NFL training
camp and practice during the year, and it didn't.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
And players they may say, well.
Speaker 6 (28:13):
You know, we're gonna get it, We're gonna get ready
and all that. Players, if they're not football is the
kind of game that you have to get. I think
players have to get their minds right, and coaches at
the NFL level have to help them get their minds right.
It's not something you're going to put yourself through. It's
like saying you're going to work out all off season
(28:36):
by yourself, and you think you're going to come into
camp you know, ready, ready to go, you're not. Because
that staff, medical staff, training staff, coaching staff, they're going
to require things from you that you just would not
put yourself through if you didn't have to. And I thought,
I thought Nate Hackett it was a little bit too
(28:59):
much of the bougie sort of like young look at
you know, hip coach man. You got to you've got
to earn the respect of the players and show hey, fellas, if.
Speaker 7 (29:11):
We do these things, this is how we win.
Speaker 6 (29:16):
And if we win, everybody is going to make more money.
And he just I thought he I thought he did
not do a good job.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
Of that, missed the opportunities to really get after these
guys but also help them with their mindset of being
in that uncomfortable place and not wanting to go. Like,
you know, I think John Fox was a heck of
a player's coach, But a lot of that was because
(29:46):
I knew what to expect with him every single day.
If we were on a five gay women's street, we
were still going to show up on money. We weren't
going to get no victory mondays like, so he was
going to be the same way every single day. And
and I just look at the game of football. That's
from a coaching standpoint, you have to take your opportunities
(30:06):
to really allow your guys to grow and develop. And
that's when that happens a lot when they're in a
very uncomfortable position.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
So let me ask you guys last thing on this.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
So for the lesson, is there a lesson for what
happened with justin feels like is there anything to take
away from that? Like, for you're a Jets fan, I
mean you're thankful it's not more serious.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
No, I don't think so either. No, I just I
feel like it's just I have not.
Speaker 7 (30:34):
It's not a pleasant experience.
Speaker 8 (30:37):
It's it's like they'll they'll have to be careful with
him in terms of how long this thing takes because
oh gosh, did they say which toe?
Speaker 1 (30:51):
They just said this location on his right foot. I
saw somewhere that it's not his big toe.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
I've done three on my right foot now, I've had
them too, But.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
I don't know if that that was confirmed or anything.
That's just all that they're saying is that the X
rays were negative for fractures.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Gone, it's gonna get that steel plate, as is your
insul underneath your insul now inger then.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
What you were if you try to come back to absolutely,
if I try to come back too soon and they
all they all try to come back before they're ready,
that's just that's how the game's played. But yeah, then
you get the you get the plate under your foot,
and then that at times, and I've seen this happen
with one player, one teammate of mine. It uh, your
gate is different because of the steel plate, and you're
(31:37):
more susceptible to other sort of injuries.
Speaker 7 (31:39):
He had an unbelievably.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
Bad hamstring pull after he came back from the dislocated toe.
So yeah, that's it's that's not a good thing.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
No, not at all.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
All right, come up here at the top of the hour,
we'll get into some of the observations from today's training camp.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Practice again. Tomorrow opens up for the fans.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
We'll have a broadcast, by the way, on Saturday from
nine to live from Bronco's training camp, so you want
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