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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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the rabbit hole with him, he has not seen it,
but he has a lot of opinions on it, So
just throwing that out there again. Today Broncos had their
second day of training camp. But this is still sort
of the soft opening. It's an acclamation period, but we
did a little more. We got a couple of team
reps in there, a couple team drills in there. So
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yesterday was just the one. There's one group of seven's,
one group of team and then have special teams. Today
we got two periods if you will, of team out
there and I thought it was overall, you know, a
nice practice, another kind of warm up into what will
be for tomorrow. A couple of tape cakeboys I had
and I want to ask you about this Rolando because
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Bodex is getting the ball out really fast. I think
he's being very decisive.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
But it's in part because the defensive line is getting
a lot of push. Is that simply because the offensive
line doesn't have pads on yet?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Is that a fair assessment?
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Yeah, it could be. Well, it could be that.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
I mean, some some defensive linemen think that, oh man,
we got the spiders on, we want to go And
for me as offensive lineman, like if I'm going to
stop you at the line of scrimmage, that there's a
little bit of that hat that's involved. So I want
to take care of my guys. I'm not going to
put my face masks on that ac joint and have you,
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you know, regretting the what you did to me, or
you know, hurt our football team for the rest of
the season. Because you get one of those in July,
you know it's going to be bothering you for for
some months. So I could see guys saying, Okay, you
know what, let me try to play half the man
versus when we put those big boy pads on. Now,
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I'm going to play the whole entire defender and get
a little wider on my aiming point and now try
to square you up and stop you at the line
of scrimmag day.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Let me ask you, what was the I guess for
a wide receiver. Maybe the equivalent of like not trying
to make a dB look bad, or you're trying not
to because he's your guy, like like you're trying to
protect your teammate. I guess maybe if you're blocking, like
you're doing a blocking drills a wide receiver early in
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camp or whatever, you're probably not going to try to
put that guy into the ground.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Maybe that would be the equivalent.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
No, but wide receiver play much different than sure O
line D line play. I mean, wide receiver, you're just
trying to cover him up, right stock blocking cover him up,
and yeah you're not. I mean you're not trying to
drive him in the ground, and you don't want him
try to drive you in the ground either, as long
as I mean the coach, I think in a coaches
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want to see on tape, they want to see effort,
even in practice like this, and they want to see
you know exactly who you're supposed to block, right. But
it's it's totally different from a receiver standpoint. When you're
stock blocking or pushing and cracking or what had now
in nine on seven, when you get as oh described appropriately,
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the big boy pads on and you have to, you know,
go dig out of safety, that's a little different. That
becomes that becomes a little more competitive because he's gonna,
you know, he's he's got a run fit. He knows
as he's coming down for the run fit. He knows
coming from the outside is a wide receiver, and his
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job is to dislodge that safety from the run fit.
The safety's job is to hit that wide receiver in
the face to the point that he does not want
to come back in there.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Don't come in here anymore, you.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
Knowmates, Yeah, man, And nine on seven is you're not
trying to hurt anybody, but you you gotta, you gotta,
you gotta go play. So they're they've been pretty and
a couple of times, you know, once they get into
the third and fourth day and everybody gets tired and lathered,
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you get tired of it. I mean, the safety, you
get tired of the wide receiver coming down and trying
to dislodge him, and the wide receiver is going to
get tired of what he thinks is an unusual reaction
to my entry into your space. So they get pissed
and they grab each other's face mask, and then there's
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some pushing and shoving, and you know, cooler has prevailed you.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Usually it starts with the trenches.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
I mean, I'm not saying it doesn't happen with the
receivers and the dvs, but the trenches.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
You guys are so sensitive. You guys are so sensitive
out there.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
There are how many fights I've been in because of
a wide receiver or a running back. The majority of
my fights have happened because of a wide receiver running back,
and very few have happened because of a offensive lineman.
Or I was just the one pissed off.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Okay, well that's not my recollection. But again, you played
the game, so I'll give you that one. I do
find the point that you guys are making those is
an interesting one about because you have us media whatever's
out there saying, boy, the defensive line is dominating this
offensive line.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I mean, holy cow, they're making them look bad.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
And the players, like the ex players, will all say
chill media people, because they don't have pads on the
offensive line can't really do what they're supposed to do.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
I mean, we've taught, we've heard in the past.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Hey, it's really tough to judge the running game running
back specifically.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
It's maybe tough to judge safety play.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
To a certain extent, but I think we really got
to include offensive line play on what we can judge
from them without pads on too.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Yeah, no doubt. I mean, I'm not putting my shoulder
and there. I don't care who else me.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
If we only have spiders on, I have to have
shoulder pads on in order to really hit a block.
And I'm not going to accelerate through the block either,
And tell shoulder pads are on, I'm said, hut, I'm
fitting up everything, like literally, just here we go kind
of brother in law in it, and then we put
our shoulder pads on, and then I'm trying to run
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through your face.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Do you get well, you just had a curiosity before
we move on.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Do you get mad at say, an edge rusher trying
to show or a d line whatever trying to show
you up, or trying to hell.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Yes, let me answer, let.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
Me answer for him, No answer for Oh yeah, to
Mitch Unright, one of my favorite dudes, love Mitch.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
I used to come and try to have a conversation
with Mix on Monday. Man, Mitch, you know, just playing
sixty five plays, you know, t bow area era, body's hurting.
I'm telling you from now on Monday, come Wednesday, I'm
going to be hurting. I need you to take a
little off the gats. Yeah, oh I got you, I
got you. I got you. On Monday first playing nine
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on seven side.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
Fl I'm looking at them like, really, really, dude, we
just had this conversation days ago.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
So you know, it kind of depends with the guys.
Some guys you know that that's just how they're hardwired.
But if you asked me to take a little bit off,
because you know, in training camp we have those days
and sometimes your body's that's really beat up. I expect
to be able to ask you to take a little
bit off and you to respect that as well. But
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if you're just gonna go out there and be a
you know what about it, Yeah, I'm pissed off and
probably gonna have a couple of words for you off
off after we get off the field as well.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I love it. I love it again.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Then you get a chance on the pads do come
on to do your thing, and we'll see this what happens.
But I do like the decisiveness of coming back to
the original plat. I do like the decisiveness of Bonix.
I think sometimes, especially last year around this time, some
of the stuff we saw on in the off season
last year, he's scrambling around, he's looking, he's maybe taking
what would appear to be a sack in training camp.
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Of course you don't hit the quarterbacks. But I'm not
seeing that, Dave. I'm seeing the ball come out fast.
I'm seeing him know exactly where everybody's supposed to be.
It's going quick, it's going fast, Sean Payton. So far,
we've only been two days into this thing. He's not
stopping practice and calling the offense back because he doesn't
like the way they're approaching things. It just seems smooth.
It just seems like a smooth operation. And that part's exciting.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
I will say that. I mean, I think bo is
going to be much more comfortable. Why wouldn't he. It's
the second year of the offense. He knows everybody, and
everybody knows and he knows he's the starting quarterback. I mean,
this time last year there, although maybe the coaching staff
had it in the back of their mind, but there
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were supposed to be a quarterback battle, not this year.
So yeah, I just wouldn't read may me personally, I
will not come on the show like having watched training camp,
even even as they get into some of the preseason games.
Three preseason games, you can you can draw a few
conclusions from limited, limited things in those preseason games, but
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just in practice, I think it's now if somebody on
a like a fifty to fifty ball jumps over the
top somebody and takes the ball off, Okay, I can
judge that that that's pretty spectacular, right, But in terms
of like, you know, a on a given series, like
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they didn't get in out of the huddle, or the
defense re established the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Or I don't know.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
I mean, I'm just not gonna I'm not gonna do that,
but I'm I'm excited about it and the anxious to
see how they do.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Yeah, And I think also when you look at this
as really about don't judge a guy off one day,
what does he come back and do the next day,
Because that's a big part of training camp as well.
You know, the fact that a guy will go out
there and ball out and have a great day or
have a great couple of plays in the course of
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a practice. You know, you know, the competitive juices and
in those individuals out there, especially on a football team. Right,
every single one of those guys were alpha's at some
point of their career, whether you know they were the
biggest voice in the locker room and little league or
high school or college, like, they all were alphas. So
you want to see the response, like what does the
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guy do the next day when you had a bad
practice and a guy just absolutely dogged you out. You know,
that's when you really could tell a lot about an
individual and really about this football team as far as
what we're going to see in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
A couple other things today Corland Sutton participated in team drills.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Didn't do that the first day, and oh boy, Dave.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Around town people are like, here you go, He's he's
not exactly holding in because he did an individual but
he's he's holding out of team drills.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
And of course the very next day that all changes, and.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
I again, it's it's it's an ebb and flow kind
of thing with trying to get men. Even Sean Payton
in today yesterday say there's gonna be some days the
guys are gonna just sit out and are not gonna practice.
Mike and Glinchy didn't practice today, at least for the
media portion of practice. So he could have been out
there earlier. We don't really know. But when we got
out there, he was gone. It was Polchowski filling in
there at right tackle. I guess for Sean, who laid
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the groundwork. Basically, don't ask me every day why a
guy is or isn't out here. We'll let you know
kind of deal, and then that's how you managed. We
talked about injuries earlier. I guess that's how you manage that.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
What was the media portion?
Speaker 2 (11:45):
The media portion?
Speaker 3 (11:47):
This is what what did you guys see?
Speaker 2 (11:49):
So they I'm not trying.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
To try try to sound too entitled here, okay, but
they say ten o'clock. We don't get in there till
after ten thirty, so we're staying. There's there's two zones.
We stand in one zone outside the gate, and then
we get in and we got to stand it. I
don't see, there's no way to tell you what happened.
Without sounding like an entitled media members.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
They don't want to.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Sound like that. But at the same time, we got
these two like loading zone areas.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
So we're on a drivetime show with Dave Logan. You're
a little entitled.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
It's okay outside the gate till about ten twenty, even
though it said ten. Then you move inside the gate
up against the wall so we can't see it, so
they can't see us, We can't see them. That's very intentional.
And then after ten thirty sometime, and then we wander
in there and then we get to watch stretch and
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we have the temporary Now I don't know for training camp,
it might be a little bit different.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
That there are things Sean doesn't want us to see.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
Okay, repractice, So there's absolutely no no use in bitching
about it or what have you. It's it just is.
It just is what it is. I just what, well,
what Ryan.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
You said ten o'clock and then it's ten thirty five.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
I don't know, they'ren would you still be able to
get yes?
Speaker 3 (13:27):
So they're not.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
You got to understand, you, guys, you got to understand something.
First of all, they're not on your time, absolute schedule.
It's not Ryan Edwards time schedule.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
So you got to you.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Gotta roll roll with it and just accept that it's
going to be that way, and it's it's that way now,
and it's going to be that way throughout the season,
and it's going to be that way until Sean Payton
is no longer the head coach of the Broncos.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Comma depends on who, you know.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
Eventually, Sean, if he coaches ten years whatever, decides to
go play golf and do whatever he does, somebody else
is going to coach the team and then we'll you know,
what might be the same, might be worse, might be better,
all fair points.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
I said, there's just no way to say what because
you asked me what the media portion was, There's no
way to say it without telling that side and also
sounding like an entitled medium. But you're right, you're right,
absolutely right, And snacks there's not which is another thing.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Noo, I'm just kidding, I'm not. Even The PR staff
is wonderful. They are really wonderful.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
They do the best they can communicate everything and we
just do what we gotta do, and and that that
you're right is not going to change anytime soon. But
my point of it is is I heard that Mike mclinch,
you went in as we were showing up, So I
don't know what. That's why I say the media portion
of it because my understandings he was out there before that.
But I don't know what if this was a managed
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thing and Sean didn't talk today, so we don't really know.
But it's just sort of I guess part of the
d Now we're just gonna expect there's gonna be guys
that show up and aren't going practice will be out there.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
So that's kind of deal. A couple other things.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Drew Sanders, you know what, I still don't know what
he's going to be for this team, Dave like and
you saw it last year when when he comes on
a blitz, when they when when VJ sends him downhill.
He is an unbelievable athlete. He is ridiculous when it
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comes to that his side to side stuff. I mean,
he's got the athleticism for it, but it I don't
know what his fit is.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
Here you go again, Here you go again. Now you're
judging Drew Sanders side to side stuff. What in the
actual hell are you talking about? Period?
Speaker 1 (15:47):
I just don't know, if he's a good inside like that,
you're still stood in the hot sun.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
That's all we got in these Yeah, I mean, listen,
I think he's.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
He is.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
I will say this in in defense of your point.
He's Paul to play inside linebacker doesn't mean he doesn't
mean he can't. I'm just saying the prototypical linebacker. You know,
when I think of inside linebackers, I don't think of
a guy that size. To me, size wise, he looks
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like he looks like he'd be an outside edge guy.
But as you said, he's got he's got unreal athletic ability.
And this, I mean, the answer might be as simple
as they're trying to find a way to get more
speed on the field, and he can run. And so
now all of a sudden, you you just you start
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bouncing guys around and say, huh, okay, he's pretty good
at that, not so good at that, pretty good at that.
And then you almost I'm not saying you create a position,
but you come up with you come up with some
some looks and some when he's in the game, and
all of a sudden, he becomes a productive player, even
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if he's not a guy that's going to play every
single snap and maybe and maybe he will, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
So the question I have on that, I think you
put that eloquently is perfect. What is that role for
a guy that has some trouble reading a defense and
covering effectively, sometimes really good going downhill, but maybe not
as a great.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Edge, What is that role?
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Well, I think guys can improve in the league, even
when they're NFL players. And the book on Drew Sanders
may be as you said, but to me, when you
have an athlete of his caliber, he's you've got a
coaching and he's got to get better. That's those things
that he needs to improve on, right. I think too often,
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and I'm not speaking on the Broncos coaches here, but
in the NFL, too often coaches will see something they
don't like about a particular player, and unless that player
is a high draft choice of one, two or three,
which Sanders is, but they tend to sort of not
try to coach some of the things he does wrong
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out of him. They just want to replace him from
time to time. And again not for the for the
high draft choices, because then there's there's an investment by
the team, and then you know, you're going to get
coached a little bit differently.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Now. If any of those coaches out there were.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
Listening to this, they'd say, le's bs, I coached the
seventh thro und draft choice exactly the same way.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
As I do the first run draft choice.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
And I would say, maybe so an individual, and maybe
you're just demanding, maybe more so on the seventh round
draft choice. But in terms of how long is the
leash and how how hard are we willing to work
with this guy and invest in him? And if he
can't do that, you know, there's two or three things
he can do, but I want to make sure he
gets better at that.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
What he can't do. The first, second or.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
Third round guy is going to get more attention to
that than the seventh rounder, because seventh rounder, if he
displays a couple of things that he really can't do,
all of a sudden, I think, as a former player,
the coaches start thinking, well, that's the reason he was
a seventh round draft choice, that he's not going to
be able not going to be able to do some
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of the things we want him to do.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
I think when you look at Drew Sanders right now,
like he's ideal and like he's You're like an exact
prototype of what you want in your dime situations where
you could say, hey, you know what, this is a
guy that has a large wingspan, larger wingspan linebacker position,
being in ay six'. Five you, know we love him coming.
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Downhill not necessarily the greatest person to go cover one on,
one but when you're in, dime you have sixty b's out,
there so you already have that skill set. Covered and
now you know you could use him to either a
come downhill and try to eat up a body of
an offensive lineman or be dropping. Coverage and, hey now
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use that, large large wingspan to kind of deter a
quarterback from trying to throw the ball in the middle
of the.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Field but how many snaps per game does that position?
Play that's your third and.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Forever but that's why you look at just The National
Football league and the constantly trying to get. Better, RIGHT
i mean it's up TO vj and his coaching staff
now to, say you know, what we understand some of your,
limitations but how do we pick some things and we
get those things? Better? Right this guy's twenty three years,
old so there's still a lot of football. Ahead but
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can you find a way to help him? DEVELOP i
see that he's definitely very willing and capable with his.
Body but you, know for, ME i think, that you,
Know i'm not really worried about him more in the.
Passing i'm worried about him more in the running. Game
and how do you get underneath some of these offensive
linemen that you have to get under when you're giving
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up one hundred pounds to. Them, so you, KNOW i
think that right, now the playbook and the snaps are,
small but it's up To Drew sanders and the coaching
staff to continue to develop. Him where now that role
becomes bigger and bigger as the year.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
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Speaker 2 (21:21):
Line so he has some breaking news here in THE.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Nfl Holy Cow Christian wilkins getting released by The raiders moments.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Ago now he.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Signed he's one year into a one hundred and ten
million dollar contract that had almost sixty million, guarantee only
play like five games last, year and they're voiding the
remaining thirty five point two million in guaranteed. Money he's
expected to file a grievance with THE, nflpa.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
You're gonna The raiders are avoiding hear that.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Out they're trying to void thirty five million dollars of
money owed.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
To Christian will based on what because if.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
We played five games and he's got a foot, Injury
so is the foot injury from last. Year, yes it's
still lingering from last.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
Season SO i don't know that that that'll be whatever
whatever the contract says right in terms of them, voiding.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
You know when when it almost sounds.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Like when you void a contract that the player did
something that brought that. On but if it's an, injury
that's going to be real. Simple it'll be whatever the
language that they agreed upon in the. Contract if you
have an injury and you can't you can't come back
the next, year here's what we owe you in the next,
year and then we can avoid the remaining year stuff
stuff like.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
That that's that's pretty.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
Common if he's, healthy he's he's a really good.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Player, yeah no.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
DOUBT i mean just kind of hearing this right, now
And i'm sure that we're going to continue to hear
more as this, Develops but for, me it would be
like something happened From OTAs to now like what was
talked about behind closed doors leading to the end Of OTA's, like,
hey here's the plan for the next six or seven,
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weeks kind of leading into training. Camp and Did christian
like follow through with that, plan because if you, didn't
if you tell them, like, Hey i'm gonna be around,
them be here doing my, rehab and then all of a,
sudden you, know for the next seven, weeks you're you're,
like see it lay, There i'm nowhere to be, found
and you come back like the team's gonna be pissed.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Off, well bring that point to the service.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Here Ian rapport just said that they had an ongoing
dispute over his foot and whether or not he should have.
Surgery the team wanted him to have, surgery he, declined
and then they just released.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Him, yeah so that's kind of to that.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Point they're, saying, hey you need. Surgery he's, like, NO i.
DON'T i don't think. So and then they, said, okay
well then we're going to release you and we're gonna
avoid your. Guarantees that feels like such a leap and
thirty five million IS i, mean you have surgery.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Any day of the.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
Week you can dislocate my toe, yeah if you're gonna
get thirty five million in guarantees and like that doesn't
avoid the.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Contract that's just such a season for.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
Thirty, MILLION i might let you dislocate a. Couple oh,
absolutely you.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Know WHAT i, mean, right and your a couple of
fingers on.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
You gets some toes.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Toes you do wonder though it part of it because
Because Christian, wilkins who play with The dolphins the yearly
prior to, that the good defensive, tackle, right he's very.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Good he was one of the elite defensive.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Tackles you do wonder a little bit about his relationship
with the organization because he was actually signed by the previous.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Regime, right this is this is not A Pete carroll.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Player this was the previous, group, Right and and so
many times we see this like, hey you, know a
new new regime comes in and they, say you, know,
hey this is what we think of, you this is
what we think you should be doing for, us and he's,
Like i'm not a part of that wasn't my.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Deal i'm. Not i'm.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
YEAH i THINK i think it's rare if a new,
coach even a guy Like Pete carroll would come in
and get rid of a really, good productive. Player so
my guess Is Pete, Carroll John spytech have probably concluded
(25:30):
THAT a he's he's not going to be the guy
he once. Was B maybe he. Hasn't maybe they don't
feel like he's totally bought in to the new system
and they don't want him, to you, know infect some
of the younger. Players that stuff happens a, lot so,
(25:51):
THAT i, mean that would BE i think this thing
is probably As orlando, said there's probably a couple things
that have happened that has made the Current raider hierarchy
step back and, say we can't keep this.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Dude there's one.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Thing if you're a cancer to a locker, room it
doesn't matter how good of a football player you, are
if that ownership and upper management think that you're not
good for the younger guys or just other guys that
you know might be trying to figure out where they
fit in in this. League and you, Know Beat carroll
first year coaching out, there you're trying to create an.
(26:30):
Identity you're really trying, to you, know get everybody to buy.
In they make those decisions and they, say, hey we
got to run in the other. Direction it doesn't really
matter how great of a player you. Are but you
never really hear this from. Players you always hear like players, saying,
hey they don't want me to get the, surgery AND
(26:52):
i want to get the surgery BECAUSE i don't feel.
Right so you know from a. Player, now on the
opposite side of, this a organization wants, to you, know
give me a surgery.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
THAT i don't want AND i Think i'm.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
Good you know that he's going to have something to
say when he walks in that locker room as, well
and the coaches are not in that locker, room so
it becomes a very tricky situation for a first year
head coach in a new organization Like Pete.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Carrolls and once again he didn't bring him.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
IN i, mean the organization's on the hook for, it
and obviously they're gonna try to get out the. Guarantees
there's an interesting video circulating now Showing Christian wilkins dancing
in the locker, room dancing at the locker room of the.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Facility, SO i don't, know this is a weird.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
One we might get more information, tomorrow but this was
put out on his social media a little while. Back
it's just him him kind of grooving in the, facility
so Raise. Dan well that's better than. MINE i, mean
he's got a little more. RHYTHM i come, on listening
to what music they're dancing. Too but he looks like
he's having a good, Time so maybe that's why he
(27:58):
doesn't want the.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Surgery he's like looking dance.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Moves, WELL i mean Shot a has this looks a
little more like he's pumping fists and, YEAH i don't
know if that's Shot a.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Music he's not moving slow.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Enough, yeah that's more of a groove. Thing that's, more you,
know like smooth operated.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
A little bit too, fast just a little, bit just
a little. Bit all, right we'll come. BACK i want
TO i do want to ask you about The rockies because, they're,
uh they're on a little bit of a. Role we'll
get to. That we'll get some final plats here about day.
Two we'll get you ready for day three Of broncos training.
Camp Nick, ferguson come out of here at the top
(28:39):
of the. Hour Broncos Country. Tonight we'll take you into the.
Evening we're gonna be picking a W nba game for
our show me The, money you, know and this two.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Days it's kind of a rough. Voice here we go.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Again well we We you allowed us to catch up
with you because we're all we're all three and three.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
Now, WELL i really praying for your downfall in his office. Day,
yeah no doubt about.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
That them and.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
Others i've been pretty good in W. NBA i THINK
I i Think i'm five and. One you are five and.
One six opportunities to bet five. WINNERS i was in
the major. Leagues you couldn't pay me. Enough pretty, strong
pretty strong.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Performance, well we're gonna have These Seattle storm versus The
Chicago Sky, oh.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Right in my.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
Wheelhouse that's, right you know those rosters back of his
half damn straight very.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Quickly because we talked about a little bit. Yesterday maybe
tomorrow we can get into it as some. More but The,
rockies my, goodness back to back series.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Five and five in the last ten just have.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
To say and see you AND.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
I we've been driving this bus the whole time about
wanting to believe in The.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
Rocks they are, not which is good news for. Us
they're not going to break the all time record of,
futility which is forty one wins forty.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
One they need, sixteen sixteen, more, oh twenty? Six right?
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Now why DO i think they have?
Speaker 5 (30:04):
More IF i counted a couple of those wins, TWICE.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
I mean you might, have But i'm looking at the
official number here record twenty six and seventy.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Six, oh it's like a cup.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
Punch we're sitting here feeling good about. Them it's, like,
oh the little.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Things, yeah they just won for their last six and
they're seventy. Six, YEAH i mean they are playing, better.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
They are playing.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Better, yeah they shut out The.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Cardinals first shoutouts is twenty twenty two at.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Home it's like two hundred and some odd. Games, yes,
okay well the little things let's.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Go so let's.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Go that's. Right they got The.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Orioles the series starting, Tomorrow I'm i'm out sixteen or
they go sixteen and forty.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Four they go sixteen to forty four the rest of.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
It they have sixty, left, yep and they got to win.
Sixteen damn they can do.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
That that's What i'm.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Saying in, fact Now i'm starting to THINK i shouldn't
have torn Up, Mike and not THAT i really, did
but WHAT i bet the over for the. SEASON i
thought they were fifty three fifty. SIX i think it
was like fifty seven at the. Time but you ain't
Getting they ain't getting fifty.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Seven.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Yea they need thirty more, wins.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Sixty.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Like so they played five, hundred five, hundred, Yeah, Dave,
yeah well by the by the, math well.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
They're going to blow past, that no problem if they
continue on this.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
Pace so you're, picking you're picking, Them you're picking them
to win how many.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
GAMES i just at this, POINT i don't want to be.
GREEDY i just just get past forty, Two, Okay SO
I am not going to be greedy and try to
win money. HERE i am going just to, say don't
be the worst team.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Ever i'm with.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
You oh is that?
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Fair?
Speaker 4 (31:53):
YEAH i mean, HERE i Know i've been on part
of some bad, organizations and that's all when you know it's,
bad it's just, like, hey we just can't be that.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Bad just don't be the.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
Worst don't be the worst. Ever so there's the little.
Things you gotta find find ways to go to work
each and every.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
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the rabbit hole with him, he has not seen it,
but he has a lot of opinions on it, So
just throwing that out there again. Today Broncos had their
second day of training camp. But this is still sort
of the soft opening. It's an acclamation period, but we
did a little more. We got a couple of team
reps in there, a couple team drills in there. So
(00:44):
yesterday was just the one. There's one group of seven's,
one group of team and then have special teams. Today
we got two periods if you will, of team out
there and I thought it was overall, you know, a
nice practice, another kind of warm up into what will
be for tomorrow. A couple of tape cakeboys I had
and I want to ask you about this Rolando because
(01:05):
Bodex is getting the ball out really fast. I think
he's being very decisive.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
But it's in part because the defensive line is getting
a lot of push. Is that simply because the offensive
line doesn't have pads on yet?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Is that a fair assessment?
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Yeah, it could be. Well, it could be that.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
I mean, some some defensive linemen think that, oh man,
we got the spiders on, we want to go And
for me as offensive lineman, like if I'm going to
stop you at the line of scrimmage, that there's a
little bit of that hat that's involved. So I want
to take care of my guys. I'm not going to
put my face masks on that ac joint and have you,
(01:47):
you know, regretting the what you did to me, or
you know, hurt our football team for the rest of
the season. Because you get one of those in July,
you know it's going to be bothering you for for
some months. So I could see guys saying, Okay, you
know what, let me try to play half the man
versus when we put those big boy pads on. Now,
(02:07):
I'm going to play the whole entire defender and get
a little wider on my aiming point and now try
to square you up and stop you at the line
of scrimmag day.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Let me ask you, what was the I guess for
a wide receiver. Maybe the equivalent of like not trying
to make a dB look bad, or you're trying not
to because he's your guy, like like you're trying to
protect your teammate. I guess maybe if you're blocking, like
you're doing a blocking drills a wide receiver early in
(02:35):
camp or whatever, you're probably not going to try to
put that guy into the ground.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Maybe that would be the equivalent.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
No, but wide receiver play much different than sure O
line D line play. I mean, wide receiver, you're just
trying to cover him up, right stock blocking cover him up,
and yeah you're not. I mean you're not trying to
drive him in the ground, and you don't want him
try to drive you in the ground either, as long
as I mean the coach, I think in a coaches
(03:00):
want to see on tape, they want to see effort,
even in practice like this, and they want to see
you know exactly who you're supposed to block, right. But
it's it's totally different from a receiver standpoint. When you're
stock blocking or pushing and cracking or what had now
in nine on seven, when you get as oh described appropriately,
(03:24):
the big boy pads on and you have to, you know,
go dig out of safety, that's a little different. That
becomes that becomes a little more competitive because he's gonna,
you know, he's he's got a run fit. He knows
as he's coming down for the run fit. He knows
coming from the outside is a wide receiver, and his
(03:47):
job is to dislodge that safety from the run fit.
The safety's job is to hit that wide receiver in
the face to the point that he does not want
to come back in there.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Don't come in here anymore, you.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
Knowmates, Yeah, man, And nine on seven is you're not
trying to hurt anybody, but you you gotta, you gotta,
you gotta go play. So they're they've been pretty and
a couple of times, you know, once they get into
the third and fourth day and everybody gets tired and lathered,
(04:24):
you get tired of it. I mean, the safety, you
get tired of the wide receiver coming down and trying
to dislodge him, and the wide receiver is going to
get tired of what he thinks is an unusual reaction
to my entry into your space. So they get pissed
and they grab each other's face mask, and then there's
(04:45):
some pushing and shoving, and you know, cooler has prevailed you.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Usually it starts with the trenches.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
I mean, I'm not saying it doesn't happen with the
receivers and the dvs, but the trenches.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
You guys are so sensitive. You guys are so sensitive
out there.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
There are how many fights I've been in because of
a wide receiver or a running back. The majority of
my fights have happened because of a wide receiver running back,
and very few have happened because of a offensive lineman.
Or I was just the one pissed off.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Okay, well that's not my recollection. But again, you played
the game, so I'll give you that one. I do
find the point that you guys are making those is
an interesting one about because you have us media whatever's
out there saying, boy, the defensive line is dominating this
offensive line.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I mean, holy cow, they're making them look bad.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
And the players, like the ex players, will all say
chill media people, because they don't have pads on the
offensive line can't really do what they're supposed to do.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
I mean, we've taught, we've heard in the past.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Hey, it's really tough to judge the running game running
back specifically.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
It's maybe tough to judge safety play.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
To a certain extent, but I think we really got
to include offensive line play on what we can judge
from them without pads on too.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Yeah, no doubt. I mean, I'm not putting my shoulder
and there. I don't care who else me.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
If we only have spiders on, I have to have
shoulder pads on in order to really hit a block.
And I'm not going to accelerate through the block either,
And tell shoulder pads are on, I'm said, hut, I'm
fitting up everything, like literally, just here we go kind
of brother in law in it, and then we put
our shoulder pads on, and then I'm trying to run
(06:21):
through your face.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Do you get well, you just had a curiosity before
we move on.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Do you get mad at say, an edge rusher trying
to show or a d line whatever trying to show
you up, or trying to hell.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Yes, let me answer, let.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
Me answer for him, No answer for Oh yeah, to
Mitch Unright, one of my favorite dudes, love Mitch.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
I used to come and try to have a conversation
with Mix on Monday. Man, Mitch, you know, just playing
sixty five plays, you know, t bow area era, body's hurting.
I'm telling you from now on Monday, come Wednesday, I'm
going to be hurting. I need you to take a
little off the gats. Yeah, oh I got you, I
got you. I got you. On Monday first playing nine
(07:08):
on seven side.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
Fl I'm looking at them like, really, really, dude, we
just had this conversation days ago.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
So you know, it kind of depends with the guys.
Some guys you know that that's just how they're hardwired.
But if you asked me to take a little bit off,
because you know, in training camp we have those days
and sometimes your body's that's really beat up. I expect
to be able to ask you to take a little
bit off and you to respect that as well. But
(07:38):
if you're just gonna go out there and be a
you know what about it, Yeah, I'm pissed off and
probably gonna have a couple of words for you off
off after we get off the field as well.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I love it. I love it again.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Then you get a chance on the pads do come
on to do your thing, and we'll see this what happens.
But I do like the decisiveness of coming back to
the original plat. I do like the decisiveness of Bonix.
I think sometimes, especially last year around this time, some
of the stuff we saw on in the off season
last year, he's scrambling around, he's looking, he's maybe taking
what would appear to be a sack in training camp.
(08:11):
Of course you don't hit the quarterbacks. But I'm not
seeing that, Dave. I'm seeing the ball come out fast.
I'm seeing him know exactly where everybody's supposed to be.
It's going quick, it's going fast, Sean Payton. So far,
we've only been two days into this thing. He's not
stopping practice and calling the offense back because he doesn't
like the way they're approaching things. It just seems smooth.
It just seems like a smooth operation. And that part's exciting.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
I will say that. I mean, I think bo is
going to be much more comfortable. Why wouldn't he. It's
the second year of the offense. He knows everybody, and
everybody knows and he knows he's the starting quarterback. I mean,
this time last year there, although maybe the coaching staff
had it in the back of their mind, but there
(08:55):
were supposed to be a quarterback battle, not this year.
So yeah, I just wouldn't read may me personally, I
will not come on the show like having watched training camp,
even even as they get into some of the preseason games.
Three preseason games, you can you can draw a few
conclusions from limited, limited things in those preseason games, but
(09:19):
just in practice, I think it's now if somebody on
a like a fifty to fifty ball jumps over the
top somebody and takes the ball off, Okay, I can
judge that that that's pretty spectacular, right, But in terms
of like, you know, a on a given series, like
(09:41):
they didn't get in out of the huddle, or the
defense re established the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Or I don't know.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
I mean, I'm just not gonna I'm not gonna do that,
but I'm I'm excited about it and the anxious to
see how they do.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Yeah, And I think also when you look at this
as really about don't judge a guy off one day,
what does he come back and do the next day,
Because that's a big part of training camp as well.
You know, the fact that a guy will go out
there and ball out and have a great day or
have a great couple of plays in the course of
(10:17):
a practice. You know, you know, the competitive juices and
in those individuals out there, especially on a football team. Right,
every single one of those guys were alpha's at some
point of their career, whether you know they were the
biggest voice in the locker room and little league or
high school or college, like, they all were alphas. So
you want to see the response, like what does the
(10:39):
guy do the next day when you had a bad
practice and a guy just absolutely dogged you out. You know,
that's when you really could tell a lot about an
individual and really about this football team as far as
what we're going to see in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
A couple other things today Corland Sutton participated in team drills.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Didn't do that the first day, and oh boy, Dave.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Around town people are like, here you go, He's he's
not exactly holding in because he did an individual but
he's he's holding out of team drills.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
And of course the very next day that all changes, and.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
I again, it's it's it's an ebb and flow kind
of thing with trying to get men. Even Sean Payton
in today yesterday say there's gonna be some days the
guys are gonna just sit out and are not gonna practice.
Mike and Glinchy didn't practice today, at least for the
media portion of practice. So he could have been out
there earlier. We don't really know. But when we got
out there, he was gone. It was Polchowski filling in
there at right tackle. I guess for Sean, who laid
(11:33):
the groundwork. Basically, don't ask me every day why a
guy is or isn't out here. We'll let you know
kind of deal, and then that's how you managed. We
talked about injuries earlier. I guess that's how you manage that.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
What was the media portion?
Speaker 2 (11:45):
The media portion?
Speaker 3 (11:47):
This is what what did you guys see?
Speaker 2 (11:49):
So they I'm not trying.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
To try try to sound too entitled here, okay, but
they say ten o'clock. We don't get in there till
after ten thirty, so we're staying. There's there's two zones.
We stand in one zone outside the gate, and then
we get in and we got to stand it. I
don't see, there's no way to tell you what happened.
Without sounding like an entitled media members.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
They don't want to.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Sound like that. But at the same time, we got
these two like loading zone areas.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
So we're on a drivetime show with Dave Logan. You're
a little entitled.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
It's okay outside the gate till about ten twenty, even
though it said ten. Then you move inside the gate
up against the wall so we can't see it, so
they can't see us, We can't see them. That's very intentional.
And then after ten thirty sometime, and then we wander
in there and then we get to watch stretch and
(12:45):
we have the temporary Now I don't know for training camp,
it might be a little bit different.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
That there are things Sean doesn't want us to see.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
Okay, repractice, So there's absolutely no no use in bitching
about it or what have you. It's it just is.
It just is what it is. I just what, well,
what Ryan.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
You said ten o'clock and then it's ten thirty five.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
I don't know, they'ren would you still be able to
get yes?
Speaker 3 (13:27):
So they're not.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
You got to understand, you, guys, you got to understand something.
First of all, they're not on your time, absolute schedule.
It's not Ryan Edwards time schedule.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
So you got to you.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Gotta roll roll with it and just accept that it's
going to be that way, and it's it's that way now,
and it's going to be that way throughout the season,
and it's going to be that way until Sean Payton
is no longer the head coach of the Broncos.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Comma depends on who, you know.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
Eventually, Sean, if he coaches ten years whatever, decides to
go play golf and do whatever he does, somebody else
is going to coach the team and then we'll you know,
what might be the same, might be worse, might be better,
all fair points.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
I said, there's just no way to say what because
you asked me what the media portion was, There's no
way to say it without telling that side and also
sounding like an entitled medium. But you're right, you're right,
absolutely right, And snacks there's not which is another thing.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Noo, I'm just kidding, I'm not. Even The PR staff
is wonderful. They are really wonderful.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
They do the best they can communicate everything and we
just do what we gotta do, and and that that
you're right is not going to change anytime soon. But
my point of it is is I heard that Mike mclinch,
you went in as we were showing up, So I
don't know what. That's why I say the media portion
of it because my understandings he was out there before that.
But I don't know what if this was a managed
(14:54):
thing and Sean didn't talk today, so we don't really know.
But it's just sort of I guess part of the
d Now we're just gonna expect there's gonna be guys
that show up and aren't going practice will be out there.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
So that's kind of deal. A couple other things.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Drew Sanders, you know what, I still don't know what
he's going to be for this team, Dave like and
you saw it last year when when he comes on
a blitz, when they when when VJ sends him downhill.
He is an unbelievable athlete. He is ridiculous when it
(15:27):
comes to that his side to side stuff. I mean,
he's got the athleticism for it, but it I don't
know what his fit is.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
Here you go again, Here you go again. Now you're
judging Drew Sanders side to side stuff. What in the
actual hell are you talking about? Period?
Speaker 1 (15:47):
I just don't know, if he's a good inside like that,
you're still stood in the hot sun.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
That's all we got in these Yeah, I mean, listen,
I think he's.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
He is.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
I will say this in in defense of your point.
He's Paul to play inside linebacker doesn't mean he doesn't
mean he can't. I'm just saying the prototypical linebacker. You know,
when I think of inside linebackers, I don't think of
a guy that size. To me, size wise, he looks
(16:24):
like he looks like he'd be an outside edge guy.
But as you said, he's got he's got unreal athletic ability.
And this, I mean, the answer might be as simple
as they're trying to find a way to get more
speed on the field, and he can run. And so
now all of a sudden, you you just you start
(16:45):
bouncing guys around and say, huh, okay, he's pretty good
at that, not so good at that, pretty good at that.
And then you almost I'm not saying you create a position,
but you come up with you come up with some
some looks and some when he's in the game, and
all of a sudden, he becomes a productive player, even
(17:06):
if he's not a guy that's going to play every
single snap and maybe and maybe he will, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
So the question I have on that, I think you
put that eloquently is perfect. What is that role for
a guy that has some trouble reading a defense and
covering effectively, sometimes really good going downhill, but maybe not
as a great.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Edge, What is that role?
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Well, I think guys can improve in the league, even
when they're NFL players. And the book on Drew Sanders
may be as you said, but to me, when you
have an athlete of his caliber, he's you've got a
coaching and he's got to get better. That's those things
that he needs to improve on, right. I think too often,
(17:52):
and I'm not speaking on the Broncos coaches here, but
in the NFL, too often coaches will see something they
don't like about a particular player, and unless that player
is a high draft choice of one, two or three,
which Sanders is, but they tend to sort of not
try to coach some of the things he does wrong
(18:15):
out of him. They just want to replace him from
time to time. And again not for the for the
high draft choices, because then there's there's an investment by
the team, and then you know, you're going to get
coached a little bit differently.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Now. If any of those coaches out there were.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
Listening to this, they'd say, le's bs, I coached the
seventh thro und draft choice exactly the same way.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
As I do the first run draft choice.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
And I would say, maybe so an individual, and maybe
you're just demanding, maybe more so on the seventh round
draft choice. But in terms of how long is the
leash and how how hard are we willing to work
with this guy and invest in him? And if he
can't do that, you know, there's two or three things
he can do, but I want to make sure he
gets better at that.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
What he can't do. The first, second or.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
Third round guy is going to get more attention to
that than the seventh rounder, because seventh rounder, if he
displays a couple of things that he really can't do,
all of a sudden, I think, as a former player,
the coaches start thinking, well, that's the reason he was
a seventh round draft choice, that he's not going to
be able not going to be able to do some
(19:23):
of the things we want him to do.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
I think when you look at Drew Sanders right now,
like he's ideal and like he's You're like an exact
prototype of what you want in your dime situations where
you could say, hey, you know what, this is a
guy that has a large wingspan, larger wingspan linebacker position,
being in ay six'. Five you, know we love him coming.
(19:45):
Downhill not necessarily the greatest person to go cover one on,
one but when you're in, dime you have sixty b's out,
there so you already have that skill set. Covered and
now you know you could use him to either a
come downhill and try to eat up a body of
an offensive lineman or be dropping. Coverage and, hey now
(20:07):
use that, large large wingspan to kind of deter a
quarterback from trying to throw the ball in the middle
of the.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Field but how many snaps per game does that position?
Play that's your third and.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Forever but that's why you look at just The National
Football league and the constantly trying to get. Better, RIGHT
i mean it's up TO vj and his coaching staff
now to, say you know, what we understand some of your,
limitations but how do we pick some things and we
get those things? Better? Right this guy's twenty three years,
old so there's still a lot of football. Ahead but
(20:38):
can you find a way to help him? DEVELOP i
see that he's definitely very willing and capable with his.
Body but you, know for, ME i think, that you,
Know i'm not really worried about him more in the.
Passing i'm worried about him more in the running. Game
and how do you get underneath some of these offensive
linemen that you have to get under when you're giving
(21:00):
up one hundred pounds to. Them, so you, KNOW i
think that right, now the playbook and the snaps are,
small but it's up To Drew sanders and the coaching
staff to continue to develop. Him where now that role
becomes bigger and bigger as the year.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Progresses all, right five six six niney zeros Our ka
compas Pariodhal tech.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Line so he has some breaking news here in THE.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Nfl Holy Cow Christian wilkins getting released by The raiders moments.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Ago now he.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Signed he's one year into a one hundred and ten
million dollar contract that had almost sixty million, guarantee only
play like five games last, year and they're voiding the
remaining thirty five point two million in guaranteed. Money he's
expected to file a grievance with THE, nflpa.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
You're gonna The raiders are avoiding hear that.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Out they're trying to void thirty five million dollars of
money owed.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
To Christian will based on what because if.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
We played five games and he's got a foot, Injury
so is the foot injury from last. Year, yes it's
still lingering from last.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
Season SO i don't know that that that'll be whatever
whatever the contract says right in terms of them, voiding.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
You know when when it almost sounds.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Like when you void a contract that the player did
something that brought that. On but if it's an, injury
that's going to be real. Simple it'll be whatever the
language that they agreed upon in the. Contract if you
have an injury and you can't you can't come back
the next, year here's what we owe you in the next,
year and then we can avoid the remaining year stuff
stuff like.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
That that's that's pretty.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
Common if he's, healthy he's he's a really good.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Player, yeah no.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
DOUBT i mean just kind of hearing this right, now
And i'm sure that we're going to continue to hear
more as this, Develops but for, me it would be
like something happened From OTAs to now like what was
talked about behind closed doors leading to the end Of OTA's, like,
hey here's the plan for the next six or seven,
(23:12):
weeks kind of leading into training. Camp and Did christian
like follow through with that, plan because if you, didn't
if you tell them, like, Hey i'm gonna be around,
them be here doing my, rehab and then all of a,
sudden you, know for the next seven, weeks you're you're,
like see it lay, There i'm nowhere to be, found
and you come back like the team's gonna be pissed.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Off, well bring that point to the service.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Here Ian rapport just said that they had an ongoing
dispute over his foot and whether or not he should have.
Surgery the team wanted him to have, surgery he, declined
and then they just released.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Him, yeah so that's kind of to that.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Point they're, saying, hey you need. Surgery he's, like, NO i.
DON'T i don't think. So and then they, said, okay
well then we're going to release you and we're gonna
avoid your. Guarantees that feels like such a leap and
thirty five million IS i, mean you have surgery.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Any day of the.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
Week you can dislocate my toe, yeah if you're gonna
get thirty five million in guarantees and like that doesn't
avoid the.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Contract that's just such a season for.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
Thirty, MILLION i might let you dislocate a. Couple oh,
absolutely you.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Know WHAT i, mean, right and your a couple of
fingers on.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
You gets some toes.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Toes you do wonder though it part of it because
Because Christian, wilkins who play with The dolphins the yearly
prior to, that the good defensive, tackle, right he's very.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Good he was one of the elite defensive.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Tackles you do wonder a little bit about his relationship
with the organization because he was actually signed by the previous.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Regime, right this is this is not A Pete carroll.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Player this was the previous, group, Right and and so
many times we see this like, hey you, know a
new new regime comes in and they, say you, know,
hey this is what we think of, you this is
what we think you should be doing for, us and he's,
Like i'm not a part of that wasn't my.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Deal i'm. Not i'm.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
YEAH i THINK i think it's rare if a new,
coach even a guy Like Pete carroll would come in
and get rid of a really, good productive. Player so
my guess Is Pete, Carroll John spytech have probably concluded
(25:30):
THAT a he's he's not going to be the guy
he once. Was B maybe he. Hasn't maybe they don't
feel like he's totally bought in to the new system
and they don't want him, to you, know infect some
of the younger. Players that stuff happens a, lot so,
(25:51):
THAT i, mean that would BE i think this thing
is probably As orlando, said there's probably a couple things
that have happened that has made the Current raider hierarchy
step back and, say we can't keep this.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Dude there's one.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Thing if you're a cancer to a locker, room it
doesn't matter how good of a football player you, are
if that ownership and upper management think that you're not
good for the younger guys or just other guys that
you know might be trying to figure out where they
fit in in this. League and you, Know Beat carroll
first year coaching out, there you're trying to create an.
(26:30):
Identity you're really trying, to you, know get everybody to buy.
In they make those decisions and they, say, hey we
got to run in the other. Direction it doesn't really
matter how great of a player you. Are but you
never really hear this from. Players you always hear like players, saying,
hey they don't want me to get the, surgery AND
(26:52):
i want to get the surgery BECAUSE i don't feel.
Right so you know from a. Player, now on the
opposite side of, this a organization wants, to you, know
give me a surgery.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
THAT i don't want AND i Think i'm.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
Good you know that he's going to have something to
say when he walks in that locker room as, well
and the coaches are not in that locker, room so
it becomes a very tricky situation for a first year
head coach in a new organization Like Pete.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Carrolls and once again he didn't bring him.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
IN i, mean the organization's on the hook for, it
and obviously they're gonna try to get out the. Guarantees
there's an interesting video circulating now Showing Christian wilkins dancing
in the locker, room dancing at the locker room of the.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Facility, SO i don't, know this is a weird.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
One we might get more information, tomorrow but this was
put out on his social media a little while. Back
it's just him him kind of grooving in the, facility
so Raise. Dan well that's better than. MINE i, mean
he's got a little more. RHYTHM i come, on listening
to what music they're dancing. Too but he looks like
he's having a good, Time so maybe that's why he
(27:58):
doesn't want the.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Surgery he's like looking dance.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Moves, WELL i mean Shot a has this looks a
little more like he's pumping fists and, YEAH i don't
know if that's Shot a.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Music he's not moving slow.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Enough, yeah that's more of a groove. Thing that's, more you,
know like smooth operated.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
A little bit too, fast just a little, bit just
a little. Bit all, right we'll come. BACK i want
TO i do want to ask you about The rockies because, they're,
uh they're on a little bit of a. Role we'll
get to. That we'll get some final plats here about day.
Two we'll get you ready for day three Of broncos training.
Camp Nick, ferguson come out of here at the top
(28:39):
of the. Hour Broncos Country. Tonight we'll take you into the.
Evening we're gonna be picking a W nba game for
our show me The, money you, know and this two.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Days it's kind of a rough. Voice here we go.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Again well we We you allowed us to catch up
with you because we're all we're all three and three.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
Now, WELL i really praying for your downfall in his office. Day,
yeah no doubt about.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
That them and.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
Others i've been pretty good in W. NBA i THINK
I i Think i'm five and. One you are five and.
One six opportunities to bet five. WINNERS i was in
the major. Leagues you couldn't pay me. Enough pretty, strong
pretty strong.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Performance, well we're gonna have These Seattle storm versus The
Chicago Sky, oh.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Right in my.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
Wheelhouse that's, right you know those rosters back of his
half damn straight very.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Quickly because we talked about a little bit. Yesterday maybe
tomorrow we can get into it as some. More but The,
rockies my, goodness back to back series.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Five and five in the last ten just have.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
To say and see you AND.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
I we've been driving this bus the whole time about
wanting to believe in The.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
Rocks they are, not which is good news for. Us
they're not going to break the all time record of,
futility which is forty one wins forty.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
One they need, sixteen sixteen, more, oh twenty? Six right?
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Now why DO i think they have?
Speaker 5 (30:04):
More IF i counted a couple of those wins, TWICE.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
I mean you might, have But i'm looking at the
official number here record twenty six and seventy.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Six, oh it's like a cup.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
Punch we're sitting here feeling good about. Them it's, like,
oh the little.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Things, yeah they just won for their last six and
they're seventy. Six, YEAH i mean they are playing, better.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
They are playing.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Better, yeah they shut out The.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Cardinals first shoutouts is twenty twenty two at.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Home it's like two hundred and some odd. Games, yes,
okay well the little things let's.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Go so let's.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Go that's. Right they got The.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Orioles the series starting, Tomorrow I'm i'm out sixteen or
they go sixteen and forty.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Four they go sixteen to forty four the rest of.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
It they have sixty, left, yep and they got to win.
Sixteen damn they can do.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
That that's What i'm.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Saying in, fact Now i'm starting to THINK i shouldn't
have torn Up, Mike and not THAT i really, did
but WHAT i bet the over for the. SEASON i
thought they were fifty three fifty. SIX i think it
was like fifty seven at the. Time but you ain't
Getting they ain't getting fifty.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Seven.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Yea they need thirty more, wins.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Sixty.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Like so they played five, hundred five, hundred, Yeah, Dave,
yeah well by the by the, math well.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
They're going to blow past, that no problem if they
continue on this.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
Pace so you're, picking you're picking, Them you're picking them
to win how many.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
GAMES i just at this, POINT i don't want to be.
GREEDY i just just get past forty, Two, Okay SO
I am not going to be greedy and try to
win money. HERE i am going just to, say don't
be the worst team.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Ever i'm with.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
You oh is that?
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Fair?
Speaker 4 (31:53):
YEAH i mean, HERE i Know i've been on part
of some bad, organizations and that's all when you know it's,
bad it's just, like, hey we just can't be that.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Bad just don't be the.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
Worst don't be the worst. Ever so there's the little.
Things you gotta find find ways to go to work
each and every.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
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