07-25-25 KOA Sports Hour 1

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
A foreign abbreviated version of our shows. The Rockies are
playing the Orioles in Baltimore tonight. Our covers go so
four thirty. Their cover starts then and goes into the evening.
Hopefully the Rockies can keep the momentum going. Although we'll
be with Sam's Ryan McMahon as he was traded today,
we'll get into that here in a little bit. We'll
get into some observations from day one, day three, whatever

(00:20):
you want to call it, of Bronco's training camp. We
were out there today all sorts of fantastic social media
covers that you can check out on demand anytime at
KWA Colorado. My friend Dave Logan in studio wasn't.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
To see Ryan.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
How are you too?

Speaker 2 (00:33):
You do that as well?

Speaker 1 (00:34):
A long sleeve? I guess you've been doing long sleeve
pretty consistently on these hot days.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
We finished our work this uh, this morning with the scrimmage.
That's tadbit, tad bit warm.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
Just a bit, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
That's a good thing about showers.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
That is a great thing about showers.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah, so I didn't obviously make it make it out
to whatever they call this. The acclamation is done in
the training camp has officially started. I'm going to be
out there on Monday. But what'd you.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Say, No, it's good in Monday. By the way, Pad's
Day was. We found today the first day of PADS,
so that's going to be a great day to attend
for fans as well as the media. They're going to
be out there. No, today it was a good day.
Today was a very good day. It certainly was a
different vibe than usual. I mean, we used to having
the fans on the berm right, several thousand fans. This

(01:24):
was limited to eight hundred in sort of some bleachers
on the south end of the complex, but they were
into it. It felt more like training camp. In the
last two days, the acclamation period, that felt more like
an OTA practice, like it was just always good to
be out there. Guys are running around in shorts. But
for the most part, today felt a lot more like

(01:45):
a training camp practice. And you know what, I think
the cool thing about today for me was really both
sides of the ball had their wins. You know, it
wasn't one of those like as you can recall many
training camp practice where we come we're like, oh man,
defense looks really really good. The offense is a ways

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to go that wasn't.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Today, That's actually been uttered way too many times in
the last ten.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Years, exactly exactly. So I try to go in with
a relatively blank slate when it comes to that kind
of thing. You certainly have expectations of what the offense
is going to look like with bon Nix and certain
receivers and those kinds of things, but you just want
to say, Okay, I just want to see what it's
supposed to look like, what they think is supposed to

(02:31):
look like. And honestly, it was good. It was good.
I thought there was some some standouts. Boy Troy Franklin
on a day for Troy Franklin, which is, Hey, we've
been talking about him all off season. Yeah, wouldn't it
be great if he took a step forward?

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah? What do he do?

Speaker 1 (02:45):
Well? He caught a seventy five yard touchdown the biggest
play so far we've had and if you include the
last two days of training campus, the biggest play so far,
and it was actually from Jared Stidham. He beat Demarrow
Mathis and Devon Key down the left sideline going to
go and he's just wait right by him.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yeah. Well, I think, and we've talked about this too,
I think the emergence of Marvin Mims in the second
half of the season, and I think Troy Franklin in
his rookie season got off to a little bit of
a slow start, but he had some moments down the
stretch where he showed enough that I mean, just going

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back and watching it on tape, he's he's got a
little something. And in a league that it has a
whole bunch of fast guys, he's he's one of them,
and he has an extra gear to him. So I
am really stoked about seeing the progress that a guy
like Franklin has made because if you get Franklin and

(03:46):
Memes very much comfortable, uh and in this offense, it
just I think it's going to make it a lot
easier for the underneath, the intermediate route runner, the whatever
possession receivers. I used to hate that term because I
think I was one of them, and it just to
me it's signified like, oh, the guys that don't have

(04:08):
the great speed. H So, I mean, you know, probably true,
but you know, if the guys that can take the
top off the defense really come into their own this year,
then I just think it's going to make a lot
of other guys really comfortable in what they do.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
Completely agree. And that's the thing is, there's not there's
a ton of those guys. Really, you said it, Marvin Mims,
Troy Franklin, there's some other guys that are sort of
a little bit deeper on the depth chart, but you
were talking about the top six guys. They're the only
two speedsters, you know, and I understand what you're saying.
I remember Tim Patrick a few years ago when Vic
Fangio kind of made some kind of reference about him
being with great hands but not not great speed or yeah, yeah, yeah,

(04:49):
all right, thanks.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
I guess yeah, guys, I mean, listen, football speed is
different than than forty speed, and it's there are very
few guys that can line up in the NFL today,
Tyreek Hill. I mean, they're probably five of them and
they can say, listen, I'm running I'm running a nine round,

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I'm running a go route and still be successful. So
how you how you get your release? You know, how
you attack the leverage point of the defensive back understanding
where is his help? Is he playing inside shade right,
which means you know, maybe he's playing maybe that's zero. Look,

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maybe there's no help over the top at all. Is
he playing outside shade? Then that would tell a wide
receiver maybe that it's it's one free and he's trying
to make sure he stays to your outside because he's
got help inside. But they're you know, there's a handful
of guys that can say I'm going deep and you
can't do anything about it. Everybody else it's the technique,

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and they have the requisite speed to play in the league,
of course, they just don't have the track speed that like,
you can't really do anything about. That's why guys like
Tim Patrick and your partner probably have bristled over the
years about you know, being called a possession receiver.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
You know, but it's you know, yes, it's probably underrated
though when you think about keeping an offense on schedule. Yes, right,
so you.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Got to you gotta have you got to have those guys. Yes,
you gotta have the guys. That unthird and eight window
is really really small. Oh fits it in? There's contact,
I mean maybe it's big contact. And you go down
in a pile and you wait to see yep, somebody

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holds the ball up and that's first down. You got
to have those guys. You got to have the speed guys,
you got to have the route runners. But but the
single most important thing again, all these all these receivers
have the requisite athletic ability and speed. Some have a
little more speed, some may be a little quicker into

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and out of the breaks. But the single most important,
I think quality for being a pro receiver is your
ability to catch the ball. And that's where guys like
Courtland Sutton, guys like Devon Vley, there have been guys
that have stayed in the league because they're dependable, they're accountable,

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and they will make a catch or to every single
game that sustains, as you said, a drive or a
big catch for a touchdown where it's like, man, oh man,
I'm not sure anybody else could have caught that one
long reach. Alright, alright, I get supple hand.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Maybe that's what said about Tim Patrick.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Actually was Vic. People think that was John Fascinda, but
that was actually Vic Fangio.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
Boy, that's correct. Yeah, you know usually just you know,
talking about making meatballs. Is that you Rick jealous?

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, that's right. Supple hands. You know who did have
supple hands today? Who would give the Supple Hands Award
to was Pat Bryant's. Uh because right, right, right, Pat Bryant,
I tell you why, man, There is something too. We
talked about Troy Franklin in the Speed Marvin Mimms look
good today too. But Pat Bryant does have a bit
of a knack for finding space. And that's another like

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aspect of the wide receiver position. We talk about it
like with guys like Tim Travis Kelcey rights a tight end.
He finds space. Like you, you think that you've got
the whatever zone or whatever you're you're playing there, you
think you've got him bracketed. He's just he's open. He's
always flipping open. And Pat Bryant today multiple times he
did have one kind of drop. It was a little

(08:45):
high whatever, but he just found he just found space.
And there was a beautiful moment because Alex Singleton came
on a blitz and Bonix had to roll out to
his right and you're almost thinking, like the plays about
dead because he he's about to hit the boundary, but
he's looking over the middle of the now. I will
say this is one of those plays where we say,
well it worked, so good job, Bo Nicks. You threw

(09:07):
across your body across the field, and you nailed Pat
Bryant in stride as he took it up field. It
was a beautiful play. But also if there's anybody sitting underneath,
that ball's picked and it's going back the other way.
So it's a great play because it worked and Pat
Bryant mirrored him, which I loved seeing. That was the
thing that was really impressed me the most about that

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moment is Pat Bryant just mirrored him the whole way
to give him an open look, and he even got
a little deep in his route to avoid the linebacker
that was underneath so that there was a more clear window.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yeah, I think at the end offl really at most
levels of football, you'll work in the scramble drill. Right,
it's quarterback will drop back in the pocket and then
he will take off from side to one side or
the other guys are running their routes, whatever the concept
was called. They're in the routes. They look back to
quarterbacks scrambling. Then everybody has a designed area to being

(10:01):
based on based on what the concept was. You'll have
somebody that's shorts, somebody intermediate, somebody will go deep somebody
be on the sideline, I mean normally speaking. So those
are things and again that that that is something that
I think this quarterback, he not only is above average,
he's one of the best in the NFL at throwing

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the ball on the run. So if you're a receiver
and you want catches, you know you're going to have
to We used to call it present yourself. You got
to present yourself to the quarterback where he can see
the target. And as you described, Pat Bryant sort of mirroring,
mirroring him as he was on the move.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah, and like I said to and I don't know
if it was intentional or not, but you you said it.
There it seemed like scrambled drill, and it seemed like
he took himself just a little bit deeper so that
it was a bear window. It was a butcher or
winter where we're standing. It looked like you could drive
a car through that window. But it wasn't like that. Initially,
as bo was scrambling, it looked like the play was dead.
So that's why I give Pat Bryan some credit there

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because I didn't think there was much there until he
kind of positioned himself in a way and then he
found himself wide open in the middle of the field
for about a twelve or thirteen yard gain, when again
it seemed like a bit of his own look, he
just sort of sat down in the middle of an
inbreaking route rather than continuing on. He just sat right
in the middle of the field. Boenix found him right,
I mean, as if his eyesight couldn't go anywhere else.

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And Pat Bryant was wide open and then took it
up field for a few more yards, and so I
give him credit as a rookie, I give him credit.
It's just that's important to this offense. Andvn Ingram had
a really nice play today as well, kind of another
inbreaking route that took up field for another twenty plus yards.
So over all the receivers, I mean, what a banner
day the defense. He got to give some love to

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the defense. LaBelle Bailey got an interception off tip drill.
It was Lucas Kroll. It was probably gonna have yours
tonight about number fifty six, because not only did the
tip draill happen where Lavell Bailey came down with the interception,
Lucas Kroll had a surefire catch a few plays later

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and Lavell Bailey came by and Swath swanted it rite
out of his hands. So give Lavelle listen, we talk
about all the inside linebackers. Lavell Bailey made a lot
of plays last year during training camp in preseason as well,
so making his presence notice of good thing.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
So we've had a couple of emailers here from the
seven one nine four seven, Oh, I'd killed have supple
hands man from the nine five, two, three nine three.
Dave still owns a shuttle run record at Evertt Junior
High School. I'm not sure I do, but I think
I did at one point. But here's the most important text.
Seven one nine three to three O'Ryan, did you get snacks?

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And did it start on time? Nice? Yeah? I deserve that,
Yes you do, Yes you do?

Speaker 1 (12:50):
Yeah, everything started perfect one fine, fine, on time and
no no snacks. But I brought my own, so I
wasn't I see what she did.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
So nothing for you to drive about today?

Speaker 1 (12:59):
Nothing nice?

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Yeah? Nice.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
I told my wife about that last night. I was like,
I feel so bad because it's not it's not at
all who I am, and that's not what I want
to represent to sound like I'm whining, but too late.
It was too late.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
That's all right. We listen. We all have whining moments.
I'm sure those in the Marine Corps from time to
time before they took the hill and just briefly, I
mean probably to themselves, said why do we have to
do that? And then you know what the Marines did.
They get their ass up and they take that hill.

(13:34):
That's right, that's right.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
To be a marine, Ryan, be a marine. Absolutely. One
more here, I want to give some love to que Robinson. Paths,
not on pads, not on tough to tell.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
About past rushers without paths, it is, and.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
I want to acknowledge that because you and I we
we did our little precursor to training camp and we
said there will be a lot of things said after
ever practice because we have to. We have to talk
about it. If you want to tune in to hear
what we have to see. Like ke Robinson, man, I am.
I am such a fan of what he does. He
just has, he just has. He's already got a series
of moves. He did the spin move today. It was

(14:08):
just silly, but he just pressure after pressure. Now he's
only going against second third team, so he hasn't you know,
elevated to I'm going against top and against.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
So to be to be completely honest about it, and
not not to throw any shade at any of those guys,
because every single guy that gets invited to camp is
a good player, right, but he's going against guys that
more than likely will not be in the league fair
and I totally. I mean, Hugh Robinson lined up against you,

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He's going to be very difficult for you to block,
I think, and you're not going to be in the
league either at.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Six foot five, two hundred and sixty. When if he
just stands and I'm looking up at him and I'm like, wow, no.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
But it's good. It's good here that that a young guy,
rookie draft choice is looking good.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
But it's part of the conversation, I think, and in
the Pazic come on Monday and we'll have preseason to
be able to really judge all these things. But it's
part of the conversation where just like the question we
got a moment ago asking about Sudden's extension, we talk
about Nick Benito's extensions. Younger players playing in this way
and how does that impact the Broncos, especially the front
office view of guys that are due extensions, Cortland, Sudden,

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Nick Benito, et cetera. That's what I think it is.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
Probably it's just like, and we talked about this yesterday.
I think, I mean, you want guys like you Robinson,
you want your second tier guys, rookies, young guys. You
want them to develop a It helps in the depth
of the team, right because you're you know, unfortunately, this
is a game. And we've talked about this with every

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one of the co hosts that we've had over the
last I don't know, five six years. It seems like
there are injuries in football. You're going to have injuries,
so you have to develop some depth. I'm a little
full of pisson vinegar right listen, I'm ready. I'm getting
ready for camp. I mean, I'm I'm excited about the

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start a football. You have to develop your roster for
depth for sure. And then and this is this is
the tricky part, I think from an organization standpoint, the
the how quickly some of those young guys develop and
you know how they look in practice. And it's one

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thing to be a solid backup edge pass rusher, but
it's another thing to sort of be like a Shack Barrett,
where Shaq Barrett was a solid backup edge pass rusher,
but he had a little bit extra that coaches started
to say, Okay, wait a minute, wait a minute, we

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got to find ways to get this guy on the
field right. And so the emergence of young, by NFL standards,
not highly paid backup players at times can impact of
franchise's willingness to step out on one of those starters

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and say, yep, we're ready to commit you know, one
hundred million dollars over four years and or thereabouts. Right
then they say, well, you still got a year left
on your Deal's let's wait. Now. The risk of that
is what does the locker room think of that guy?

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And then if that guy has a huge year this year,
then you're going to pay through the nose next year.
Otherwise you're gonna have franchise and then you get into
all that stuff. So it's it's a bit of a
cat and mouse game really with NFL franchises and star
players at key positions.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
I think it's perfectly said a cat and mouse game
because there's a number I think every front office probably
has in their mind before negotiation negotiations even start now,
I mean they start at the low end, but they're
willing to work to the number that's in there absolutely right.
So you say, well, for Courtland Sutton, we have a number.
Maybe maybe they aren't willing to go up to twenty five,

(18:12):
and maybe they're like thinking in the twenty, like between
twenty and twenty five.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Again with him, though, I think it's I think it's
a number of years. That's that's the critical component. From
both the Broncos standpoint and from Courtland's standpoint. I think
they could probably get really close in the number, but
I'm not sure right now they could get really close

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on how many years are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (18:38):
And that's where you could kind of play with it
a little bit, right, So if you say it's three years,
but it's really two or like one one, and then
you have an option here in the second year, there's ways,
as you know, to manipulate that conversation to make him
feel good, you feel good, there's some protection there. But
you're right, maybe it's more of the years than the money,
specifically with him, Nick Benito, it's a guaranteed money, that's

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that's for sure. It's always the guaranteed money. But that's
that's the point here. So it's like, Okay, we have
a number in mind, and then the player comes to
them and says, well, I have a number nine too,
and it's Miles Garrett. That's my number. And you're like, okay,
forty million. Well hmm, maybe we need to take a
break here for a minute and come back to the
table in a little while. And then you get into camp,

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and to your point about the cat and mouse of
this thing, the player, well, he's going out there, looks
pretty good. You might have a you know, decent preseason.
Whatever he ends up doing. Maybe at the start of
the season, looks good. You haven't gotten a deal done.
But in the meantime, the front off is watching these
other young players and they're saying, boy, you know, if
we just hang in there for a little bit longer,
maybe he's going to feel the pressure of that. And

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or we get to the trade deadline and then you
really start to think about what your room looks like.
And now it wasn't the same kind of deal as
Josh Renold's last year, but there's some parallel at least,
and I guess maybe more Bradley Chubb would be appropriate
in this conversation. But Josh Rentles last year represented a
guy even though he was hurt. Well, we like what
our young guys are doing, our cost effective contracts are doing,

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and we just want to give them more reps. Anyways,
we think we're a playoff team with them, which is
only going to help them into the future and help
our roster kind of stay within range of what we
wanted to look like.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah, I think I think the the Josh Rentals thing
was more about although what you said I do agree with,
but I think more importantly to the Broncos at that
point was he couldn't stay healthy or or he didn't
stay healthy and then he had a little uh misstep.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
That's that's good.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
Yeah, I'm sure that's what Josh would call it, a
little misstep with Sasha. So there you go.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
I mean, these things happened, they do, I mean they
I mean you probably it's legal. It's it's completely legal legal.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
It wasn't like he was engaged in illegal activity.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
But anyway, but anyways, right, we're off rolling here on Friday,
excited to be here with you. Five six six I
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have any questions about training camp, We're more than happy
to help you out with that. We'll tell you what
we saw with some of the other players. Also, we
will get to Ryan McMahon being traded by the Rockies.
That's all coming up next training camp today. Interview already

(21:22):
live at Kwaclarado dot com or on the podcast page.
Very quickly. I asked him about last season and what
stood out to him, and here's what he said.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
It was a blessing, you know, being with the guys
and helping this program kind of turn around and make
it to the playoffs. So obviously we wanted a better result,
but I feel like it's the right step.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
We can moving forward and we plan a build on initiations.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
What does that look like for you? What does it
look like for the offense to build on that?

Speaker 3 (21:46):
Just making sure we're being consistent, doing of the little
things right, making sure we're taking care of our jobs
and not worrying about somebody else's job, and just playing
as a team. And at the end of the day,
you know, we're just going to take it day by day,
week by week to make sure we will put the
right in front of the other.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
Yeah, it wasn't gonna give me a lot there. But
you tried to catch him. I did, you tried to?
You get you got a little devil in you? You
tried to You tried to trick him. What does that
look like for you guys?

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah? Well, but I could you expound on that a
little bit, but not really.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
Not really, No, I pretty much told you everything.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
They don't like you guys, just saying, well, what do
you mean?

Speaker 1 (22:21):
You people?

Speaker 2 (22:22):
You guys, I'm separating myself from the from the pack
on that one.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
Well, from from one Supple Hand Possession receiver to another.
Maybe he would you? Okay, now I got you that.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Okay, and you I started.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
To think, you know what, follow me for just a
second on this. Yeah, I'm sorry to think we can
have a Supple Hands Award winner of the week. You know,
we could say, hey, the Supple Hands Award goes.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
We just need to find a sponsor. You know how
this place works. We have to find and let me
you know what at the top they are. I'll run
right over just out here and I'll talk to all
the salespeople currently their cubicles. Oh where are they all?

Speaker 1 (23:10):
They're thinking about Supple Hands?

Speaker 2 (23:11):
That what it is.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yeah, well no, I think I think the game. What
would be a good sponsor that catch? That catch the game?
Supple hands brought to you by Jurgen's lotion. I wouldn't
know anything about that, would you know? I get married?

Speaker 1 (23:30):
Merely speculative. I'm just saying, like, you got moisturized, moisturized.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Yeah, great, just got married too.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
You got a moisturizer hands, That's all I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
Yeah, not a big moisturizer guy. No, I should be.
I have my hands are all cracked. And yeah, we'll
think about that. Though.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
We wish supple hands. Supple hands, they're like a glove.
I don't know, I'll think about it. We'll talk to them.
But I think a supple hands of the game.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Yeah, yeah, something like that.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
It'd be like fun who makes the.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
You know those old like the proctologist gloves? Who makes those?
I'm working with you guys that have probably never been Yeah.
The snap, and that's to let you know like it's
fixing to be on. Yeah it's right, oh lord.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
And then we lay the supple hands.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Yeah we're not.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yeah, that's when you're praying for supple hands.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Yes, yes, yes, time for the finger like you gotta
drop for everything. I guess all right, So.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yeah, Devon Vley was great. You know, eat a couple
of catches today. I think it's an underrated wide receiver room.
And I actually asked Avon about that, about the if
they're they're being overlooked as a group right now, but
he wouldn't give me that either. I really tried. I
mean I was like a Veloci raptor. I was testing
all the perimeters of this thing. I was like, God,
do you guys think you're underrated or overrated? And you say,
we don't care about what people are saying. We just

(24:54):
do our thing.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Okay. That that is so Sean payton Ness, you know
what I mean. That's a perfect response to you trying
to trap Devon Vley not once but twice.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
As I was listening back to it to pull that
that cut. That was the exact thought that popped in
my heads, Like Sean would be very proud of this interview.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yeah, he outfoxed the fox. That's it.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
Did not give me anything this question. Are there any
under the radar guys that have stood out so far?
You know one guy speaking of wide receivers that had
a tremendous day. Was Jerrywan Newton, five eleven wide receiver
out of Toledo. He he had a brilliant, brilliant contested
catch along the right sideline. Try to remember off the

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top of my head. Who had to fight a dB. Oh,
it was good Rich, the guy that got out of
the UFL Mario Goodrich. He had to sort of hand
fight him as good coverage by good Rich, but Newton
just battled for the ball and ended up coming down
on the side line. It was one of the best
catches of the game or of the practice. So he
would be in that conversation. I don't know. Again, Like

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I said, love L Bailey at the interception today, which
was nice, But I don't know if he's so much
under the radar. But yeah, that would be a couple
of guys that a lot of texts coming in about
supple hands. Okay, thank you guys, five six six nine zero.
I wanted to ask you about Ryan McMahon before we
get too far into this thing. He got traded today
for a couple of pitchers of lefty and a ariety.
I was doing a little bit of research on the

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guys that were traded for so Josh Gross and Griffin
Herring were the two arms, both developmental for an article
I was reading a little earlier. There's still a little
ways away, but I think for the Rockies at this point,
developmental arms is just really all you wanted to get
out of the steal well and probably.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
All you could get. I mean Ryan, I think Ryan
would have brought more last year, and we speculated because
I mean he was an All Star. Yes, Rocky's lost
one hundred games last year as well, so in one
hundred the year before, and there'll be one hundred plus
this year. So I mean, to me, you had to
do it. I have no idea. I'm not familiar with

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either arm, but you had to do it and roll
the dice and try to try to restock, you know,
your farm system, and try to get as many I mean,
obviously here in Denver you want as many arms and
I would say power arms as you possibly can get.
You can't have enough power arms. So I'm a little surprised,

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but pleasantly so that they that they made the deal.
And he does provide He's not hitting for average at all,
but he does provide a little power from the third
base side.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
And he's a good defensive player. I mean, that's that's
certainly what he brings. This was the write up to
the Athletic Disc as the prize was heiring a twenty
two year old sixth round pick at a Louisiana State
University in twenty twenty four. He touches the mid nineties
with his fastball, has an impressive sweeper, and put op
stellar numbers in the low miners. He went four and
one with one two one ERA and eight starts at

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Low A Tampa, before going three and two with a
two six two ERA in eight starts at High A.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
All right, so good. You've got two developmental yep power arms.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
That's it. And then Gross also twenty two is an
eleventh round pick from twenty twenty three, says the Yankees
liked him enough as a starter to keep him as
part of their impressive stock of rotation arms at High A.
And he had a four and eight record with a
four to seven six ERA in sixteen games. So that's
the guy that maybe is a little bit more developmental.
But it sounds like there's an opinion that at least

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Herring might be up a little bit sooner. And then
for the Rockies, once again. I mean you're just thinking
it's about volume now right, I mean, you just got
you gotta have a stockpile of arms, because we've seen
it is just so tough they go, I'll turn and
burn these guys. It's so tough to kind of keep
a consistent base of arms for the Rockies, especially pitching
a course.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
And it's and we've talked about this as well, with
with the altitude. You know, breaking balls are not going
and everybody knows this by now, so you're going to
have a harder time if you're a breaking ball pitcher.
But the power pitchers, the ball slices through pretty nicely,
so you can't have enough guys that. I mean, it's

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amazing to me now as you watch a Major League
Baseball game and whether it's the Rockies, are you know,
a game on ESPN or whatever, of how many guys
on a staff are throwing the ball ninety five, ninety six,
ninety seven miles an hour. I mean power pitchers. I mean,
the number of power pitchers to me at least, has

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seemingly increased exponentially over the last handful plus years.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
It's staggering. But also i'd say, you know, kind of
in line with the conversation we've had about really other
leagues is everybody seems to be bigger, faster, than stronger
than they used to be. And I don't I mean,
maybe this is just part of that common sept in
radio that's not for us. We're just looking for supple. Yeah,
this white supple hands man. You felt it today again,

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summer heat. The crowd was there, yeah, the the players,
everybody's watching who's going to be out there first warming up?
It was an offensive line. Actually, tell you what. Evan
Ingram was out there really early. Give him his little credit.
But you're giving him credit for being out early. Well,
I'm trying to understand your logic. It's like the Caden
Davis Award, right, remember Caden Davis. Yes for every years.

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It was just like, you know, Hard Charger, he's out there, yes,
or Brown reference there.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yes, very very nicely done.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
And so you just okay, this it doesn't matter, not really,
but you just sort of make a mental note of it.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
I think we media members and when we get out
there sometimes sometimes you just have to sort of create
your own little games in your mind. I get it,
I've done it. Listen, you know you bet it's you
betting on everything. Who's going to come out the door
next right, who's going to jump in line first? What
will the first pass go to? I'll give you three

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on one odds, A chingram. I mean, you know it's
it's like a bunch of sick degenerates and I'm one
of them, you know, so I get I get it.
I really do.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Give you yourself entertained. Yeah, it wort anything. Actually some
historically some of the conversations we'll talk about stuff have
in the field, but we'll talk about like baseball, we'll
talk about yeah, just all sorts of other you know,
movies we've seen. Yeah, you're watching practice, you're making notes, yep, Yeah,
it's part of it.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
I'm there for it.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
Today. Today we'll get into some more of this. In
the back and forth. There was some fun chirping happening
between both sides. I thought this was really funny from
Sean Payton because he was asked about Troy Franklin and
he depending on his mood, he will give one of
a couple of different answers. If he's filling in an
effusive mood where he wants to like gush on a guy,

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he will gush on a guy. Remember last year with
bo Nicks, like any time chance, he had a chance,
so gush on bo Nicks. He would go above and
beyond with any every answer. So asked about Troy Franklin
today one of the early questions because Troy had a
really nice day. And here's what Sean said.

Speaker 4 (32:12):
We just started. We just started. So but I think
do I think he do? I think he has a
chance to. I felt like we began to see that
towards the latter part of the last season. So I'm
looking forward to seeing him. He's had had a real
good offseason. That's just a little early to headline Troy
Franklin's making steps up. Yeah, we had a good day.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
I was just as a matter of fact, he's not wrong.
I understand like you don't want to make something more
than it is. But I think that we're just rooting
for him. And we opened the show talking about it, right,
there's a there's a rooting interest because if he can
become what I mean, we thought he could go as
early as the first round, maybe second round, Ron goes

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in a beating of the fourth round, and if he
can sort of take that his game to another level.
It sort of changes a little bit of the dynamics
of what we think about the receiver room. I'm already
excited about it, but his speed and his dynamic and
what he showed at Oregon, it would be amazing to
see him get on the same page as Bow and
that thing sort of go to another level. But I
can't blame Sean for not wanting to on what is

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considered day one, to go on a rants about how
great Troy Franklin is.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
Yeah, I think I think Sean told the truth in
terms of we started to see him sort of take
some steps later in the season. I mean, he was
Troy Franklin did not get off to a good start
last year in the regular season. But I thought, again,
going back, and it's hard calling the game to actually

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determine that, you got to go back and look at it.
But I saw some things from him that, you know,
as a former receiver, I'm like, okay, okay, that's that's
pretty good. That's pretty good. He's got he's got a
little something to his game. Now you just have to Now.
My interpretation of what Sean was saying was like, yep,

(34:07):
you know what the seventy five yard play. That was good.
We already know he can run, and so I want
to see him be consistent, consistent in knowing exactly what
he's doing when he breaks the huddle, Consistent in terms
of when he gets to the line of scrimmage, identifying the coverage,
knowing if there's any sort of side adjustment or out

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adjustment based on the coverage. After the snap he knows
what it is. And then consistent in terms of catching
the ball when there's people, when there's people around him. So,
you know, I think again, I'm with you on that.
I think Franklin, if he turns out to be a
guy that's going to be a big deal for this
Bronco offense.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
I think you said that perfectly because there's so much
more about his game that continues to be refined and
that needs to be refined. So the speed, the straight
line speed, oh, he showed his plenty of that life
last year. We saw his free line speed. It was
what he did after right, it was it was the
inconsistent hands.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
I just remember being one practice last year, and I
you know, I think it's hard to draw any significant
conclusions based on a catcher or a sack or a
bad throw or whatever. Now, if it's a pattern, then
I think you can draw conclusions. But there were three
or four consecutive plays. This was not in team, This

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was an individual drills quarterback and receiver where Troy Franklin
got half of his ass bit off like back to
back to back to back. And it just struck me like, Okay,
I mean, there's intent when that happens. And it was

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the same coach. When that happens, that's I think a
reflection on what the staff has talked about and where
they think this young guy is. And it was pretty
obvious that they wanted to send a message to him
that hey, right now, that's not good enough. That ain't

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going to cut it. And so that struck me just
in terms of how they handled him at that time