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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Dock.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Welcome back, Dave Logan, Ryan Edwards.
Speaker 1 (00:01):
We're walking up to four to thirty when we have
things off to the Rockies Radio Network, Jack Corrigan, Jerry
Schimmelder on the road in Baltimore, the Rockies and the
Orioles Sands, Ryan McMahon who got trade to the Yankees today.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Still more deals could be happening.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Were less than a week away from the trade deadline
in Major League Baseball, but at least right now, that
was the big news today for the Rockies training right sorry,
third baseman Ryan McMahon getting a couple of pitchers, of
right hander and a left hander in the process.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
So we know if the Yankees are taking his entire contract,
you know.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I saw that text. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
I didn't see either.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yeah, the article I read because he's got two years
left on his deal. The article I was reading, the
rite up about it didn't say anything about how much
anybody was taking of that deal. So that may be
something that they will talk about a little bit on
the pregame. But I know that he does have two
years left on his contract, two more seasons thirty two
(00:57):
million and twelve million the rest of this season, so
there's two more seasons on top of the rest of
this twelve million this season, so we'll see.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
We'll see that ends up.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Looking like we've been reacting to the first day of
training camp, at least the firt day of Bronco's training
camp with the fans in attendance today with some fun
chirping back and forth. I love this answer from Jonathan
Cooper on the chirping, which is much louder on the
defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
By by the way, Yeah, I mean that stuff is, uh,
you got to have competitive competitiveness and just you know,
friendly banner is going back to each other. You got
to make each other better. You know, it's all in
love because there are teammates or brothers. It's just to
make each other better, you know. And I don't want
to say I'm the leader of it. I mean, you know,
Roach is pretty up there with me, so you know,
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but it's all about making the team better and forming
that bond and forming that connection between each other.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, Malcolm Roach is absolutely leading the charge.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
And by the way, we just got a word from
our our guy Jesse Thomas that it was that the
Yankees are taking the full contract so ask to that
texture that thankies are taking all of Ryan McMahon's contract.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Thank you, JT appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
So yeah, Malcolm roach I thought it was funny today
Sean Payton said that you'll oftentimes hear him before he's coming,
Malcolm roach Man. He's leading the charge. Jonathan Cooper leading
the charge. Historically over the last several years, the defense
has been very loud. That that's not really a surprise
to anybody, but it's when does the offense sort of
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fight back. And I have a feeling that they're starting
to fill a little bit of swagger themselves. And they
certainly had their successes today as we talked about at
the open of the show, but here was Evan Ingram
talking about how he and he's part of it, leading
the chirp back from the offensive side of things in
the past.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
Come on, is gonna be It's gonna even go up
a little bit. I just think that's a I think
that's just a mark of a really competitive team. You
want guys I want to win every rep, and you
want guys I want to play confident, And I think
that's gonna just push us to practice harder and make
each other better and truly iron sharpens iron, so.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Well, he said, right there, I think is a very
important point we pointed out at the very being of
the show.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
The pads coming on.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Sometimes we'll say would favor maybe the defense because you
get to hit a little bit more. But on the
same token, I imagine the offensive line is very excited
about the pads coming on, with the defensive line and
the edge rushers seemingly getting a lot of love and
a lot of pressure on their quarterback over and over
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and over again. So that felt like a kind of
a quiet like, Okay, yeah, it's all good. Pads are
going to come on and we'll sort of see where
the chirping is here. And I love that mindset from
the offense.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Yeah, I think normally speaking in NFL camps, the defense
is just going to talk more than the offense. Defense
going to talk more smack. They're going to talk before plays,
they sometimes talk during plays, and they'll talk after plays
when they have a good play. So not that the
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offensive guys normally you know, not that they won't respond,
but defensive guys are the ones that are. I mean,
defensive guys really bring the energy to the practice. Sure,
and at times you need those defensive guys to get
sort of under the skin of the offensive guys to
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kind of get them going a little bit. But I'm
fine with that. I think, you know, Jonathan Cooper was right,
it heightens the competitive thing. You know, you want to
make sure it stays within you know, boundaries, so to speak.
But yeah, I think it's I think it's good. And
I think every good team has a highly spirited sort
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of competitive edge to them that you absolutely have to
cultivate and where it starts as in training camp.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Just have noticed of the last several years for the offense,
it's like we waited for those moments when they'd feel
confident enough to do it.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
It's like you can't really chirp back at the defense.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
And I think you're right the historically, the defense is
the one that tends to be the louder group.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
They tend to bring a lot of that energy.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
You know.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
The interception today from Lavelle Bailey, oh my gosh, I
mean just erupted from the entire defense as they chased
him down into the end zone after he yeah, I
mean pick six. It just it was an interception whatever,
but they chased him down afterwards, and you almost never
see that, even on the long touchdown that wins it
to Troy Franklin. Today, the offense got really apt about it,
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but it wasn't nearly what the defense was. Yeah, but
I want to see, and I continue over the last
several years, I want to see the offense have that
spirit or match it to some level because it can't
be so one sided.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
You know, you can't.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
You can't build a team, especially one that's going to
be competitive, where the swagger is really on one side of.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
The ball and not the other.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
No, well, I may look at that a little bit differently.
I think. I mean, you you want a competitive swagger,
certainly on the offensive side, but your defense is the
is sort of the trend setter. Your defense is the
tempo setter. Your defense. You know, you've got more guys
on defense that have swagger because they're the ones that
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get to hit things, everything that moves, and the offensive
guys are the ones you know, getting hit, catching the ball,
getting hit. Now, the offensive guys will will talk a
little bit like today on a on a touchdown, you'll
have if a running back makes a great move scores,
they're going to let the defense know about a little bit,
but the defense, you know, even if they if the
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offense picks up three or four yards, if it's a
big hit, that defense is the one that is really
establishing the level of excitement. So I think, I think
good teams and I think the Broncos are going to
be one of those. I think they already are. Uh,
normally speaking, you want that defense to be a bunch
of dogs and really set the tempo for the entire team.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
This is an interesting answer from Evan Ingram as about
the Broncos culture. Now, I think it needs to be
said that when you're on a new team, Dave, you
can probably speak to this this is the best it's
ever been. Right, If Evan Ingram would say on the Chargers, oh,
this is the best culture I've ever been in. If
he was on the Steelers, boy, hey, Mike Tomlin, what
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they've got going on here is unmatched. I did think
it was interesting though in this answer he did take
a small little dig at Jacksonville and that you don't
hear very often. So that's why I pulled it, because
I thought it was a little more interesting that he
not only was pointing out the good things about the
Denver Broncos. But he was also pointing out something that
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he didn't like about Jacksonville.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
And I think there's something to learn about that.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
You know, that's probably my favorite thing about being a
Bronco right now on just the way that this team
the next the way they push each other, the way
they challenge each other, the way that we've bonded, just
the standard that we have for ourselves, the just the
camaraderie we have, the lash that we have, Like it's
it's an incredible locker room, a lot of great leaders,
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you know. I tell people all my family, like it's
it's hard to be the first one in the building.
Used to you know, I'm used to being the first
one in Jacksonville was always.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
The first one.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
That was really easy, and here it's kind of tough
with a lot of a lot of guys you know,
doing it doing it at the highest level.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
It's just a contagious.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
Environment and that we all want to get better and
we all have high standards that we all want to
chew together.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
So it's easy to beet the first person in the
building at Jacksonville.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Yeah, that that that is a culture thing, and I
mean that's you want if Sean Payton and the staff,
you want Evan Ingram, who's been in the league for
a while to notice a difference what he gets here.
He notices the difference in terms of how everybody approaches
their job when they get here. That's that's a big,
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big thing. So if I'm trying to think did Evan
Ingram play for was it Doug Peterson who would have
been the head coach? That's a little surprising to me
because Doug Peterson, he also was the head coach of
the Eagles, is a guy that I mean, he's been
for the most part, is successful NFL head coach. So
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it just goes. It just goes to show you that
I think you know when you think back to Sean Payton,
and I will never forget sitting talking to Greg Pinner.
And I'm sure he said this publicly as well, but
I was having a private conversation and he made the
comment that and I'm paraphrasing here, but he made the
comment that we hired Sean to come in and change
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the culture of our organization. I mean, that's a big
big thing when you empower, in this case, a veteran
coach and say listen, there are things we have to
change here. I think Sean was already sort of that
mindset anyway, but it just emboldens him to walk in
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the building and say we're going to do things differently.
One of his maybe the initial press conference when he
was asked about at that point the Broncos quarterback Russell
Wilson Havingy's quarterback coach Jake Heaps in the building. Now.
He tried to play it off initially, and again I'm paraphrasing,
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but I was there and heard his comment. He said,
I don't and he kind of dismissed it. I don't
know anything about that, but we're not doing that. Well,
you did know a lot about that, and he was
just very clear, we're not doing that. Whether you know,
whether it's good back. I like Jake. Jake's going to
be He's a great coach at the legend, going to
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do a great job. But Sean had been handed the
keys by Greg Pinner and Carrie Walton Pinter and said,
we want to change everything about what we do and
you've seen the results.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
There's a process to it, right to building that culture.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
And I think sometimes with those things, there are small
things to look at, like being first in the building,
those kinds of deals, you know, the work ethic and
all those kinds.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
But in the end, I think you sort of just
feel it, right, would you agree with that?
Speaker 1 (11:14):
I mean, I've never been inside of a locker room
like that or be inside the building. We're talking about
the difference between winning culture and losing culture. It all
feels like it walks along a razor's edge. And because
everybody's a paid athlete, everybody's a paid coach, so you
kind of have to strip that out of it.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
What is the difference? You know?
Speaker 1 (11:35):
And it sounds like to Evan Ingram, that's one piece
of it is, Hey, I can't be the first in
the building because there's already several guys here. But in
Jacksonville's very easy. But I imagine there are other examples of
what a winning culture, what that looks like, versus where
he played with the Giants for like five years and
he knows what a losing culture looks like too.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yeah, you can, I mean, you can get stuck in
a rut where I'm not saying you're going through the motion. Well,
you just show up to work, you do what you
gotta do. You watch the tape, your practice, you shower,
you go home, and you don't have you don't have
that winning mindset because you're not winning. And I think,
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you know, I think what Evan Ingram is at least
I'm guessing what he's talking about here is it just
feels different, right. I mean the places he's been haven't won.
In this place, even though you know it was only
last year, they still won. And I mean it is
locked up, it is buttoned up, it is professional. I mean,
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the standards have been set and you are accountable as
a player. And honestly, deep deep down, that's what players want,
even guys making millions and millions of dollars, they want
to be structured. They want discipline because that's helping them win.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
One hundred percent one more sound by. This is actually
from Jonathan Cooper. Uh was the last question he was
asked and just sort of like, hey, how how can
this defense improve upon last year?
Speaker 2 (13:10):
And this was fun.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
I was just saying, be even more dominant. I don't
see no reason for us to not to be the
most dominant you in the league. There's nothing hold this back,
there's nothing stopping us. So just even you know, taking
up another level I don't think any of us have
reached our potential, and we're just going to keep working
until you know we are the best, the best in
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the league obviously, I.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Mean be more dominant.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I don't know, it feels because it feels like what
I did with dvon Vailey when I said, well, what
does that mean to you?
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Like?
Speaker 2 (13:40):
What is what is going to the next level mean
to you?
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Like?
Speaker 1 (13:43):
How does the offense go to the next level? So,
in your opinion, Dave, what is dominant? What does be
more dominant mean to a defensive player or to a
defensive unit.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
I think I think it would be really hard to
quantify right what he's talking about. I think you know
you want to be you want to be better in
all the important categories that that a defense. When you
look at the metrics of a good defense, the important categories.
Have you have you held up against the run? Are
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you in the top third of the league in the
red zone? Are you in the top ten in terms
of points allowed per game? And you control the game
even in a game that is filled with throwing the football,
you control the game by controlling the running game of
the opponent. So what's the average average rush per carry
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against our defense, and you know, you look at the
Buffalo game, and that was a game that I think
I know for sure in talking to a couple of
people that were very much involved, the Broncos felt like
they got bullied against the Bills. So if that's the
last sort of thing you remember from last year, the
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thirty was at thirty one to seven, and they really
had a hard time stopping the run, and the Bills
went a lot of twelve and thirteen personnel, two and
three tight ends, and they just didn't feel like they
held up physically. So that's going to be part of
how they've prepared this entire off season, both well physically
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how hard you work in the weight room, and also
schematically in terms of, you know, here's how we're going
to get lined up this year.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
I do think for the point of the nebulous dominant
portion of it, I do think that the offense being better,
which I do expect the bron office to be better,
will only help the defense achieve whatever level of dominance
they're looking to do. I mean, your number one sacks
last year, will you be number one sacks again? I
don't know, but you could be top five. I think
that's a good conversation to have. You could be top
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three in turnovers, we takeaways. We said that the other day,
what would you rather be number one in? I think
they can be in that category. But again, you need
the offense to do their part to give you leads
so that you can force opposing teams that do things
outside of their comfort zone. And I think that's gonna
be go a long way into getting the defense where
they want to go.
Dock.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Welcome back, Dave Logan, Ryan Edwards.
Speaker 1 (00:01):
We're walking up to four to thirty when we have
things off to the Rockies Radio Network, Jack Corrigan, Jerry
Schimmelder on the road in Baltimore, the Rockies and the
Orioles Sands, Ryan McMahon who got trade to the Yankees today.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Still more deals could be happening.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Were less than a week away from the trade deadline
in Major League Baseball, but at least right now, that
was the big news today for the Rockies training right sorry,
third baseman Ryan McMahon getting a couple of pitchers, of
right hander and a left hander in the process.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
So we know if the Yankees are taking his entire contract,
you know.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I saw that text. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
I didn't see either.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yeah, the article I read because he's got two years
left on his deal. The article I was reading, the
rite up about it didn't say anything about how much
anybody was taking of that deal. So that may be
something that they will talk about a little bit on
the pregame. But I know that he does have two
years left on his contract, two more seasons thirty two
(00:57):
million and twelve million the rest of this season, so
there's two more seasons on top of the rest of
this twelve million this season, so we'll see.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
We'll see that ends up.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Looking like we've been reacting to the first day of
training camp, at least the firt day of Bronco's training
camp with the fans in attendance today with some fun
chirping back and forth. I love this answer from Jonathan
Cooper on the chirping, which is much louder on the
defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
By by the way, Yeah, I mean that stuff is, uh,
you got to have competitive competitiveness and just you know,
friendly banner is going back to each other. You got
to make each other better. You know, it's all in
love because there are teammates or brothers. It's just to
make each other better, you know. And I don't want
to say I'm the leader of it. I mean, you know,
Roach is pretty up there with me, so you know,
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but it's all about making the team better and forming
that bond and forming that connection between each other.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, Malcolm Roach is absolutely leading the charge.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
And by the way, we just got a word from
our our guy Jesse Thomas that it was that the
Yankees are taking the full contract so ask to that
texture that thankies are taking all of Ryan McMahon's contract.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Thank you, JT appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
So yeah, Malcolm roach I thought it was funny today
Sean Payton said that you'll oftentimes hear him before he's coming,
Malcolm roach Man. He's leading the charge. Jonathan Cooper leading
the charge. Historically over the last several years, the defense
has been very loud. That that's not really a surprise
to anybody, but it's when does the offense sort of
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fight back. And I have a feeling that they're starting
to fill a little bit of swagger themselves. And they
certainly had their successes today as we talked about at
the open of the show, but here was Evan Ingram
talking about how he and he's part of it, leading
the chirp back from the offensive side of things in
the past.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
Come on, is gonna be It's gonna even go up
a little bit. I just think that's a I think
that's just a mark of a really competitive team. You
want guys I want to win every rep, and you
want guys I want to play confident, And I think
that's gonna just push us to practice harder and make
each other better and truly iron sharpens iron, so.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Well, he said, right there, I think is a very
important point we pointed out at the very being of
the show.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
The pads coming on.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Sometimes we'll say would favor maybe the defense because you
get to hit a little bit more. But on the
same token, I imagine the offensive line is very excited
about the pads coming on, with the defensive line and
the edge rushers seemingly getting a lot of love and
a lot of pressure on their quarterback over and over
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and over again. So that felt like a kind of
a quiet like, Okay, yeah, it's all good. Pads are
going to come on and we'll sort of see where
the chirping is here. And I love that mindset from
the offense.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Yeah, I think normally speaking in NFL camps, the defense
is just going to talk more than the offense. Defense
going to talk more smack. They're going to talk before plays,
they sometimes talk during plays, and they'll talk after plays
when they have a good play. So not that the
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offensive guys normally you know, not that they won't respond,
but defensive guys are the ones that are. I mean,
defensive guys really bring the energy to the practice. Sure,
and at times you need those defensive guys to get
sort of under the skin of the offensive guys to
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kind of get them going a little bit. But I'm
fine with that. I think, you know, Jonathan Cooper was right,
it heightens the competitive thing. You know, you want to
make sure it stays within you know, boundaries, so to speak.
But yeah, I think it's I think it's good. And
I think every good team has a highly spirited sort
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of competitive edge to them that you absolutely have to
cultivate and where it starts as in training camp.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Just have noticed of the last several years for the offense,
it's like we waited for those moments when they'd feel
confident enough to do it.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
It's like you can't really chirp back at the defense.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
And I think you're right the historically, the defense is
the one that tends to be the louder group.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
They tend to bring a lot of that energy.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
You know.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
The interception today from Lavelle Bailey, oh my gosh, I
mean just erupted from the entire defense as they chased
him down into the end zone after he yeah, I
mean pick six. It just it was an interception whatever,
but they chased him down afterwards, and you almost never
see that, even on the long touchdown that wins it
to Troy Franklin. Today, the offense got really apt about it,
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but it wasn't nearly what the defense was. Yeah, but
I want to see, and I continue over the last
several years, I want to see the offense have that
spirit or match it to some level because it can't
be so one sided.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
You know, you can't.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
You can't build a team, especially one that's going to
be competitive, where the swagger is really on one side of.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
The ball and not the other.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
No, well, I may look at that a little bit differently.
I think. I mean, you you want a competitive swagger,
certainly on the offensive side, but your defense is the
is sort of the trend setter. Your defense is the
tempo setter. Your defense. You know, you've got more guys
on defense that have swagger because they're the ones that
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get to hit things, everything that moves, and the offensive
guys are the ones you know, getting hit, catching the ball,
getting hit. Now, the offensive guys will will talk a
little bit like today on a on a touchdown, you'll
have if a running back makes a great move scores,
they're going to let the defense know about a little bit,
but the defense, you know, even if they if the
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offense picks up three or four yards, if it's a
big hit, that defense is the one that is really
establishing the level of excitement. So I think, I think
good teams and I think the Broncos are going to
be one of those. I think they already are. Uh,
normally speaking, you want that defense to be a bunch
of dogs and really set the tempo for the entire team.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
This is an interesting answer from Evan Ingram as about
the Broncos culture. Now, I think it needs to be
said that when you're on a new team, Dave, you
can probably speak to this this is the best it's
ever been. Right, If Evan Ingram would say on the Chargers, oh,
this is the best culture I've ever been in. If
he was on the Steelers, boy, hey, Mike Tomlin, what
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they've got going on here is unmatched. I did think
it was interesting though in this answer he did take
a small little dig at Jacksonville and that you don't
hear very often. So that's why I pulled it, because
I thought it was a little more interesting that he
not only was pointing out the good things about the
Denver Broncos. But he was also pointing out something that
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he didn't like about Jacksonville.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
And I think there's something to learn about that.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
You know, that's probably my favorite thing about being a
Bronco right now on just the way that this team
the next the way they push each other, the way
they challenge each other, the way that we've bonded, just
the standard that we have for ourselves, the just the
camaraderie we have, the lash that we have, Like it's
it's an incredible locker room, a lot of great leaders,
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you know. I tell people all my family, like it's
it's hard to be the first one in the building.
Used to you know, I'm used to being the first
one in Jacksonville was always.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
The first one.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
That was really easy, and here it's kind of tough
with a lot of a lot of guys you know,
doing it doing it at the highest level.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
It's just a contagious.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
Environment and that we all want to get better and
we all have high standards that we all want to
chew together.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
So it's easy to beet the first person in the
building at Jacksonville.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Yeah, that that that is a culture thing, and I
mean that's you want if Sean Payton and the staff,
you want Evan Ingram, who's been in the league for
a while to notice a difference what he gets here.
He notices the difference in terms of how everybody approaches
their job when they get here. That's that's a big,
(08:56):
big thing. So if I'm trying to think did Evan
Ingram play for was it Doug Peterson who would have
been the head coach? That's a little surprising to me
because Doug Peterson, he also was the head coach of
the Eagles, is a guy that I mean, he's been
for the most part, is successful NFL head coach. So
(09:19):
it just goes. It just goes to show you that
I think you know when you think back to Sean Payton,
and I will never forget sitting talking to Greg Pinner.
And I'm sure he said this publicly as well, but
I was having a private conversation and he made the
comment that and I'm paraphrasing here, but he made the
comment that we hired Sean to come in and change
(09:42):
the culture of our organization. I mean, that's a big
big thing when you empower, in this case, a veteran
coach and say listen, there are things we have to
change here. I think Sean was already sort of that
mindset anyway, but it just emboldens him to walk in
(10:02):
the building and say we're going to do things differently.
One of his maybe the initial press conference when he
was asked about at that point the Broncos quarterback Russell
Wilson Havingy's quarterback coach Jake Heaps in the building. Now.
He tried to play it off initially, and again I'm paraphrasing,
(10:22):
but I was there and heard his comment. He said,
I don't and he kind of dismissed it. I don't
know anything about that, but we're not doing that. Well,
you did know a lot about that, and he was
just very clear, we're not doing that. Whether you know,
whether it's good back. I like Jake. Jake's going to
be He's a great coach at the legend, going to
(10:43):
do a great job. But Sean had been handed the
keys by Greg Pinner and Carrie Walton Pinter and said,
we want to change everything about what we do and
you've seen the results.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
There's a process to it, right to building that culture.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
And I think sometimes with those things, there are small
things to look at, like being first in the building,
those kinds of deals, you know, the work ethic and
all those kinds.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
But in the end, I think you sort of just
feel it, right, would you agree with that?
Speaker 1 (11:14):
I mean, I've never been inside of a locker room
like that or be inside the building. We're talking about
the difference between winning culture and losing culture. It all
feels like it walks along a razor's edge. And because
everybody's a paid athlete, everybody's a paid coach, so you
kind of have to strip that out of it.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
What is the difference? You know?
Speaker 1 (11:35):
And it sounds like to Evan Ingram, that's one piece
of it is, Hey, I can't be the first in
the building because there's already several guys here. But in
Jacksonville's very easy. But I imagine there are other examples of
what a winning culture, what that looks like, versus where
he played with the Giants for like five years and
he knows what a losing culture looks like too.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yeah, you can, I mean, you can get stuck in
a rut where I'm not saying you're going through the motion. Well,
you just show up to work, you do what you
gotta do. You watch the tape, your practice, you shower,
you go home, and you don't have you don't have
that winning mindset because you're not winning. And I think,
(12:17):
you know, I think what Evan Ingram is at least
I'm guessing what he's talking about here is it just
feels different, right. I mean the places he's been haven't won.
In this place, even though you know it was only
last year, they still won. And I mean it is
locked up, it is buttoned up, it is professional. I mean,
(12:41):
the standards have been set and you are accountable as
a player. And honestly, deep deep down, that's what players want,
even guys making millions and millions of dollars, they want
to be structured. They want discipline because that's helping them win.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
One hundred percent one more sound by. This is actually
from Jonathan Cooper. Uh was the last question he was
asked and just sort of like, hey, how how can
this defense improve upon last year?
Speaker 2 (13:10):
And this was fun.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
I was just saying, be even more dominant. I don't
see no reason for us to not to be the
most dominant you in the league. There's nothing hold this back,
there's nothing stopping us. So just even you know, taking
up another level I don't think any of us have
reached our potential, and we're just going to keep working
until you know we are the best, the best in
(13:32):
the league obviously, I.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Mean be more dominant.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I don't know, it feels because it feels like what
I did with dvon Vailey when I said, well, what
does that mean to you?
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Like?
Speaker 2 (13:40):
What is what is going to the next level mean
to you?
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Like?
Speaker 1 (13:43):
How does the offense go to the next level? So,
in your opinion, Dave, what is dominant? What does be
more dominant mean to a defensive player or to a
defensive unit.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
I think I think it would be really hard to
quantify right what he's talking about. I think you know
you want to be you want to be better in
all the important categories that that a defense. When you
look at the metrics of a good defense, the important categories.
Have you have you held up against the run? Are
(14:17):
you in the top third of the league in the
red zone? Are you in the top ten in terms
of points allowed per game? And you control the game
even in a game that is filled with throwing the football,
you control the game by controlling the running game of
the opponent. So what's the average average rush per carry
(14:43):
against our defense, and you know, you look at the
Buffalo game, and that was a game that I think
I know for sure in talking to a couple of
people that were very much involved, the Broncos felt like
they got bullied against the Bills. So if that's the
last sort of thing you remember from last year, the
(15:05):
thirty was at thirty one to seven, and they really
had a hard time stopping the run, and the Bills
went a lot of twelve and thirteen personnel, two and
three tight ends, and they just didn't feel like they
held up physically. So that's going to be part of
how they've prepared this entire off season, both well physically
(15:27):
how hard you work in the weight room, and also
schematically in terms of, you know, here's how we're going
to get lined up this year.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
I do think for the point of the nebulous dominant
portion of it, I do think that the offense being better,
which I do expect the bron office to be better,
will only help the defense achieve whatever level of dominance
they're looking to do. I mean, your number one sacks
last year, will you be number one sacks again? I
don't know, but you could be top five. I think
that's a good conversation to have. You could be top
(15:54):
three in turnovers, we takeaways. We said that the other day,
what would you rather be number one in? I think
they can be in that category. But again, you need
the offense to do their part to give you leads
so that you can force opposing teams that do things
outside of their comfort zone. And I think that's gonna
be go a long way into getting the defense where
they want to go.
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