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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Right now, we're gonna head out to the KWA Commas
Spirit Health Highline and bring on our NFL network insider
Ian Rappaport powered by Chevron.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Ian. Good afternoon, sir. How are you what's going on?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Guys?
Speaker 4 (00:18):
How are you hey? Ian?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Good to have you on.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Last time we talked just leaving the Raiders. Actually at
the timing is perfect.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Wow, So you know what, I'll I'll change courses here.
What did you see today covering the Raiders?
Speaker 4 (00:32):
You know, I think it's going to be a little
bit better here. And to me, I think we've always
sort of known slash thought that te Carroll was just
the right answers here culture wise, and I you know,
I still really believe that. But I think the main
thing is they finally have a team that leached it
on the level playing field with a lot of the
other teams talent wise, like Tino Smith, you know, is
(00:55):
a legitimate starting quarterback in the NFL. I think Ashon
Jens is a religion starting running back. I think Bron
Bowers is one of the best tight ends in the NFL,
like they got pieces. I think enough to finally, for
the first time in a while at least have a shot,
which is you know, I think for the Raiders it's
a new and good thing.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
I and Benjamin all right here, how you doing, buddy,
Travis Hunter?
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Right? How about me coming to Denver?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I hell, to me, I was sick. I was out,
sadout sick for like a week and a half. Man,
I'm sorry, I didn't know you were coming in.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
If i'd known, i'd I would absolutely and we could
have got dinner while I coughed all over everything.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Travis Hunter, listen to the listen.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Is the starting wide receiver for the Jags a backup corner?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Do you think that holds? Or do you think he.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
Winds up uh, maybe shifting more to corner as this
goes along? Or is this gonna be one of those
things where they're just gonna keep throwing stuff on his
plate and see what shakes out.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
No, I think that holds. I think that holds. And
you know, I've spent some time in Jacksonville during training camping.
You know to me that that was really the plan,
which was to make him a full time wide receiver
and then a matchup corner. So like let's say, you know,
maybe comes in plays in the red zone, or like
(02:10):
they got a receiver he can match up against. Maybe
he covers that guy that week, like sort of the
ultimate chess piece, which you know, I think first year
is a great place to be. Now, like, you know,
is he a better corner, is he a better receiver?
I'm not sure the answer to that. I talked to
a lot of gms about it. Of of course, the
last couple of weeks there's been different views based on
(02:31):
who you ask. Like I was in Cleveland the other
day and they think for sure he's a better receiver.
Other teams think he's a better corner. Jackson obviously starting
with receiver, so you know, there's not a lot of precedent. Honestly,
there's not a lot of players like this in NFL history,
So I'm really curious to see how it goes well.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Ian, as you mentioned, there you were out here, I
said hi to you. Of course Ben opted not to,
but I wasn't there.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
I was sixth Sorry, Yeah, I didn't say hello because
Been asked.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Me not to.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
God, I just this Fromtwork's comes.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
From that was. That was a great moment, I have
to say it was what was the remind me what
the argument was over that.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I took whether the Broncos were going to take Matt
Golden or not?
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Oh yeah, that's right now. They did try to trade up,
it was not for gold What did you know? I
think they didn't have a chance. It wasn't Golden gomb
by the time they no, No, that's right.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
What did you learn while you were out here in Denver?
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Tell you? The most interesting I learned was that they
are here for the expectations. Like you never quite can
tell what a team is going to feel like when
like the nation falls in love with them. And like
I said a while talking to Sean Payton, not only
does he think the team is good, he was more
than happy to be like, this is what we expect
and like, you know, I don't know what the right
(03:56):
way is to treat a team to like, you know,
seeing it both ways, right, We've seen embrace the expectations,
pretend they don't exist, like whatever it is, they're embracing them,
and they are here for them, and they think they
are good. And I kind of think they're good too,
you know, And like I think the other thing is
the view of bone Nicks as a sort of like
(04:17):
low ceiling starter, which is what I thought coming out,
is not right. And I don't know how we all
got there as like an industrial draft complex, but we did,
and I think that is not right. And so he's
going to be really good. He is with the right coach,
but I think he'd be really good anyway. And this
is a pretty good team.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Last couple here for you, Ian Rapper, were our NFL
Network insider enjoining us here.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I got to ask you about Michael Parsons.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Man, this is uh, this thing is is kind of
taking the turn of course with the terr McLaurin stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I think we had a chance to ask you about that.
But MICHAEH. Parsons, where are we at in your opinion?
Where's this thing headed?
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Well? I think a lot of people, especially with the Cowboys,
are kind of like like, oh, well, you know, it's
just a trade requests part of it. Like I don't know, man,
I don't know. I would when Mark, when Micah speaks,
I take it very seriously, so we'll see which direction
it goes. But I do not shrug it off. I
don't laugh at it like it's feel in some sort
(05:15):
of way, and until unless the team decides to get
a deal done. You know, I would say this is
kind of where it's going to be even you know,
like what do you do a deal? Now? If the
Cowboys presented him with I don't know, I don't know,
he is not very happy, and I would say, I
(05:35):
get it. You know, it's like they tried to kind
of tried to pull one over on him with the
negotiations without his Asian Like, these kinds of things can
really weigh on a player and hit them pretty hard,
and that seems to be where we are with Micah.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Hey Ian, I want to follow up and ask you
to sort of get it. You covered the league a
long time and I have two but you would know
better than I. In terms of Jerry Jones, just watching
this whole thing unfold, I have no idea really what
they hope to accomplish. The numbers are out there. Other
(06:08):
guys that are in his categories so to speak, have signed,
so you know pretty much what the numbers are. If
you had the hazard a guess what are the Cowboys
hoping to accomplish? As we sit here today with the
Micah Parsons situation.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Well, I would say a couple of things. One, I
think the Cowboys were frustrated. Jerry Jones specifically was frustrated
because they thought they were negotiating a deal with Mike
and then they left and was like, call my agent.
And I think Michael was frustrated because he thought they
were just having a conversation and the Cowboys really hold on,
this is a negotiation and they were not at all
(06:49):
on the same page on that, and so that can
that can make it a challenge to kind of pull
everyone back in. So I think that's one thing. The
other thing is, yes, the numbers may be out there,
like he's going to be the highest baided non quarterback
in the NFL when he gets a deal. We all
know that. Okay, So the Cowboys have traditionally wanted to
do longer term deals, right, They very famously did a
(07:10):
like eight year deal for or whatever it was, Tyron Smith.
Deal with Tyren Smith, they have done six year deals.
David Mulligant of the agent for Michael Parsons much prefers
shorter deals. So that's a huge difference. That's like when
is the player free agent? When does he get to
cash in again, Like that's real money at stakes, So
like it's not just the numbers, it's also like who's
(07:33):
going to give on what the term of the contract
ends up being.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
So at the end of the day, like what is
the resolution here?
Speaker 5 (07:39):
Because I mean, I think we all know Parsons on
a bash of love for dan Quinn, but I highly
doubt Jerry's trading him in division, you know, and Jones
has a history of caving last minute and then over pay.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Don't highly doubt it does not happen.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
But I mean, like at the end of the day,
I mean, Jerry does have a history of caving last
minute and then overpaying, is it. I mean that feels
like the odds on betting favorite for.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
This for the resolution here.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Yeah, But that that sort of also takes Micah saying yes,
I want to be here, and I don't know that
he's there right now. Now. We've seen at various times
negotiations get testy and emotional and then you agree to
a deal and it's like all right, all right, get
in here and you sort of like figure it out.
You know, I don't know that we'll get there, and
(08:26):
I'm I'm really curious to see if they will. It's
not in a good place now obviously, is more money
gonna make it feel better? Like? Depends how favorable. But
I don't know that. I don't know if Michael would
agree with a deal now, I really don't. So let's
let's sort of wait and see. But where it goes
is the Cowboys trying to get it done and Mike
(08:47):
to actually accept it, you know, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Ian.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Always appreciate it, man. We'll check in with you.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Next week, Okay, look forward to it. Take care guys.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Thank you. Ian Rappaport
Right now, we're gonna head out to the KWA Commas
Spirit Health Highline and bring on our NFL network insider
Ian Rappaport powered by Chevron.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Chevron the human Energy Company.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Committed to our local communities and safely delivering affordable, reliable,
ever cleaner energy.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Ian. Good afternoon, sir. How are you what's going on?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Guys?
Speaker 4 (00:18):
How are you hey? Ian?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Good to have you on.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Last time we talked just leaving the Raiders. Actually at
the timing is perfect.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Wow, So you know what, I'll I'll change courses here.
What did you see today covering the Raiders?
Speaker 4 (00:32):
You know, I think it's going to be a little
bit better here. And to me, I think we've always
sort of known slash thought that te Carroll was just
the right answers here culture wise, and I you know,
I still really believe that. But I think the main
thing is they finally have a team that leached it
on the level playing field with a lot of the
other teams talent wise, like Tino Smith, you know, is
(00:55):
a legitimate starting quarterback in the NFL. I think Ashon
Jens is a religion starting running back. I think Bron
Bowers is one of the best tight ends in the NFL,
like they got pieces. I think enough to finally, for
the first time in a while at least have a shot,
which is you know, I think for the Raiders it's
a new and good thing.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
I and Benjamin all right here, how you doing, buddy,
Travis Hunter?
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Right? How about me coming to Denver?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I hell, to me, I was sick. I was out,
sadout sick for like a week and a half. Man,
I'm sorry, I didn't know you were coming in.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
If i'd known, i'd I would absolutely and we could
have got dinner while I coughed all over everything.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Travis Hunter, listen to the listen.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Is the starting wide receiver for the Jags a backup corner?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Do you think that holds? Or do you think he.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
Winds up uh, maybe shifting more to corner as this
goes along? Or is this gonna be one of those
things where they're just gonna keep throwing stuff on his
plate and see what shakes out.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
No, I think that holds. I think that holds. And
you know, I've spent some time in Jacksonville during training camping.
You know to me that that was really the plan,
which was to make him a full time wide receiver
and then a matchup corner. So like let's say, you know,
maybe comes in plays in the red zone, or like
(02:10):
they got a receiver he can match up against. Maybe
he covers that guy that week, like sort of the
ultimate chess piece, which you know, I think first year
is a great place to be. Now, like, you know,
is he a better corner, is he a better receiver?
I'm not sure the answer to that. I talked to
a lot of gms about it. Of of course, the
last couple of weeks there's been different views based on
(02:31):
who you ask. Like I was in Cleveland the other
day and they think for sure he's a better receiver.
Other teams think he's a better corner. Jackson obviously starting
with receiver, so you know, there's not a lot of precedent. Honestly,
there's not a lot of players like this in NFL history,
So I'm really curious to see how it goes well.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Ian, as you mentioned, there you were out here, I
said hi to you. Of course Ben opted not to,
but I wasn't there.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
I was sixth Sorry, Yeah, I didn't say hello because
Been asked.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Me not to.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
God, I just this Fromtwork's comes.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
From that was. That was a great moment, I have
to say it was what was the remind me what
the argument was over that.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I took whether the Broncos were going to take Matt
Golden or not?
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Oh yeah, that's right now. They did try to trade up,
it was not for gold What did you know? I
think they didn't have a chance. It wasn't Golden gomb
by the time they no, No, that's right.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
What did you learn while you were out here in Denver?
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Tell you? The most interesting I learned was that they
are here for the expectations. Like you never quite can
tell what a team is going to feel like when
like the nation falls in love with them. And like
I said a while talking to Sean Payton, not only
does he think the team is good, he was more
than happy to be like, this is what we expect
and like, you know, I don't know what the right
(03:56):
way is to treat a team to like, you know,
seeing it both ways, right, We've seen embrace the expectations,
pretend they don't exist, like whatever it is, they're embracing them,
and they are here for them, and they think they
are good. And I kind of think they're good too,
you know, And like I think the other thing is
the view of bone Nicks as a sort of like
(04:17):
low ceiling starter, which is what I thought coming out,
is not right. And I don't know how we all
got there as like an industrial draft complex, but we did,
and I think that is not right. And so he's
going to be really good. He is with the right coach,
but I think he'd be really good anyway. And this
is a pretty good team.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Last couple here for you, Ian Rapper, were our NFL
Network insider enjoining us here.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I got to ask you about Michael Parsons.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Man, this is uh, this thing is is kind of
taking the turn of course with the terr McLaurin stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I think we had a chance to ask you about that.
But MICHAEH. Parsons, where are we at in your opinion?
Where's this thing headed?
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Well? I think a lot of people, especially with the Cowboys,
are kind of like like, oh, well, you know, it's
just a trade requests part of it. Like I don't know, man,
I don't know. I would when Mark, when Micah speaks,
I take it very seriously, so we'll see which direction
it goes. But I do not shrug it off. I
don't laugh at it like it's feel in some sort
(05:15):
of way, and until unless the team decides to get
a deal done. You know, I would say this is
kind of where it's going to be even you know,
like what do you do a deal? Now? If the
Cowboys presented him with I don't know, I don't know,
he is not very happy, and I would say, I
(05:35):
get it. You know, it's like they tried to kind
of tried to pull one over on him with the
negotiations without his Asian Like, these kinds of things can
really weigh on a player and hit them pretty hard,
and that seems to be where we are with Micah.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Hey Ian, I want to follow up and ask you
to sort of get it. You covered the league a
long time and I have two but you would know
better than I. In terms of Jerry Jones, just watching
this whole thing unfold, I have no idea really what
they hope to accomplish. The numbers are out there. Other
(06:08):
guys that are in his categories so to speak, have signed,
so you know pretty much what the numbers are. If
you had the hazard a guess what are the Cowboys
hoping to accomplish? As we sit here today with the
Micah Parsons situation.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Well, I would say a couple of things. One, I
think the Cowboys were frustrated. Jerry Jones specifically was frustrated
because they thought they were negotiating a deal with Mike
and then they left and was like, call my agent.
And I think Michael was frustrated because he thought they
were just having a conversation and the Cowboys really hold on,
this is a negotiation and they were not at all
(06:49):
on the same page on that, and so that can
that can make it a challenge to kind of pull
everyone back in. So I think that's one thing. The
other thing is, yes, the numbers may be out there,
like he's going to be the highest baided non quarterback
in the NFL when he gets a deal. We all
know that. Okay, So the Cowboys have traditionally wanted to
do longer term deals, right, They very famously did a
(07:10):
like eight year deal for or whatever it was, Tyron Smith.
Deal with Tyren Smith, they have done six year deals.
David Mulligant of the agent for Michael Parsons much prefers
shorter deals. So that's a huge difference. That's like when
is the player free agent? When does he get to
cash in again, Like that's real money at stakes, So
like it's not just the numbers, it's also like who's
(07:33):
going to give on what the term of the contract
ends up being.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
So at the end of the day, like what is
the resolution here?
Speaker 5 (07:39):
Because I mean, I think we all know Parsons on
a bash of love for dan Quinn, but I highly
doubt Jerry's trading him in division, you know, and Jones
has a history of caving last minute and then over pay.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Don't highly doubt it does not happen.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
But I mean, like at the end of the day,
I mean, Jerry does have a history of caving last
minute and then overpaying, is it. I mean that feels
like the odds on betting favorite for.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
This for the resolution here.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Yeah, But that that sort of also takes Micah saying yes,
I want to be here, and I don't know that
he's there right now. Now. We've seen at various times
negotiations get testy and emotional and then you agree to
a deal and it's like all right, all right, get
in here and you sort of like figure it out.
You know, I don't know that we'll get there, and
(08:26):
I'm I'm really curious to see if they will. It's
not in a good place now obviously, is more money
gonna make it feel better? Like? Depends how favorable. But
I don't know that. I don't know if Michael would
agree with a deal now, I really don't. So let's
let's sort of wait and see. But where it goes
is the Cowboys trying to get it done and Mike
(08:47):
to actually accept it, you know, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Ian.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Always appreciate it, man. We'll check in with you.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Next week, Okay, look forward to it. Take care guys.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Thank you. Ian Rappaport
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