08-04-25 KOA Sports Hour 1 with Benjamin Allbright

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, been present. Good to see you. There's it going.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
It's been a long time, yeah, and seen you forever.

Speaker 1 (00:04):
It's been either you guys Saturday practice. So we got
a chance to do the show. That was a lot
of fun.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
We podcasted that and then today you're out there strutting
around with your jokes.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
This is what I do, your standard routine.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
It's really practice, is not so much a practice as
it is a captive audience for me to lab my
comedy routine.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
So, Dave, did you are taking any of a big
standard routine?

Speaker 1 (00:27):
I missed it, damn it.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
You can see the I can see the disappointed look.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
You know what. Hopefully there'll be another performance.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Dare to dream we'll see what kind of jokes you
got this after dude, you were working on some of
that material earlier. I was like, good luck with that.
I was like, in fact, they dare you to do
any of that with Dave.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
Dave Logan there catch the eye of Dave.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
I love fresh comedy.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Everything he does, you guys, Stale had been tried before.
He was gonna do a three hour our show as
Harry Carey and see what you were going to react
to that?

Speaker 1 (01:03):
And I was like, so let me let me hear
a little hie.

Speaker 4 (01:09):
Okay, okay, I've heard worse spare rips which eat I
would wash it down the tall cool but wiser. Yes,
I think it's fatigue more than anything.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
Probably, I'm a little to a sun this morning.

Speaker 4 (01:28):
Yeah, it was nice and warm out there today, Oh,
no doubt, you know, no, it was.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
It was good.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
It was a good practice.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
You know, they were in the the spiders out there
and running around. And I thought the offense.

Speaker 4 (01:38):
Listening to the show Ryan, that might be a casual
sports fan. Why don't you go ahead and take the
next I don't know, sixty seconds or so, and uh,
talk about exactly what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
When you say spider.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Like padded, it's like a it's like a padded I
don't know, Like it's not it's not a shell. But
it's like, how was you describing?

Speaker 1 (01:57):
I'm not the one that used to you're in the army,
and you.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Remember the alice pack would be the same thing.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yeah, so what it's what guys wear under their shoulder pads.
There you go.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Okay, there you go, there you go. That's perfect you
as often is the case, more succinct than me, no, no, no,
widow for nothing.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
So shells, shells would be shoulder pads and spiders they
give your shoulders a little more cushioned, like under the shoulder.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Pads under the shirts to look bulk here.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
So did you you wanting spider.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
You try to sell that, No, I naturally look looked
as buff. That's that's exactly right. But it was a
really good practice today. Before we get into it, though,
the big news over the weekend Zach Allen getting a
contract extension, and you know, we had a chance on
Saturday to spend some time breaking it down.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
I can't wait to play.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
I don't know if you heard Sean Payton comparing free
agency to a couch.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
That was awesome.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
He's had a few, Uh, he's had a few good
good Uh would what would that be analogies?

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Those analogies been analogy?

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Yeah, it was. It was a really good one.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Okay, well we'll play real quick and then I'll get
your thoughts on Zach Allen.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Getting the extension. Here's what Sean Payton, this was a
good one. This was a good one.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
So he was asked kind of how Zach Allen's basically
going back to free agency how his progress has closely
mirrored what they thought they would get out of that player.
And here's what he said.

Speaker 5 (03:26):
I don't want to use the parallel, but my parents
loved garage sailing. That was their deal, the one thing
they enjoyed together. And I think I had ten couches
growing up, right, And so they come home with a
new couch and you'd remove the old one, and you
were so excited. It was a sectional until you sat
in the left left corner and it wiggled, and then

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you realized why it was a free agent.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
And so you just have to really do your.

Speaker 5 (03:55):
Homework and and spend a lot of time on it.
And fortunately we did. And I would say, relative to him,
more than this is what we saw, we're excited to
get and then there was this much more.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
And that's great when that happens.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
I love that. So they'd come home with a new couch,
you remove the old one, and you were so excited.
It was a sectional until you sat in the left
corner and wiggled and you realize why it was a
free agent.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Yeah, it's so.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
My quick analogy that would come to mind would be
we all at one point were in high school. You
see this really attractive young lady. You ask her to go,
let's say, oh, I don't know, to a movie, and
she says yes, and you're like, god, I can't believe
she said yes. And then you get to the movie
and you buy the popcorn back in the day and

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you buy whatever, and you sit down and she has
to take her upper teeth out to eat the popcorn.
All right, that was not exactly what you're bargained for.
It was a good looking free agent to start with,
but you had no idea that the you know, all
like thirteen or however many teeth she could take out
before she eats popcorn.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
My favorite part of the show is real stories from
Dave Logan's childhood.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
I mean that's you know, I'm not denying that's something
like that happened to me at one point or another,
and it does tend to shape sort of your outlook
on life from that point. No, I think was Zach Allen.
I think what Sean really was saying. They do their homework,
and they've been pretty good and identifying free agents, and

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there's there's a reason that guys are free agents for.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
All of them.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
Right, Maybe they're asking for too much money.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
Maybe the team that originally had them, maybe they'd sort
of worn out their welcome and what you might see
and think you're getting as Team B in the free
agent dance, you know, Team A might be like, you know,
rubbing their hands together.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
Saying thank god. I mean, we're we're fine without him.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
We think we got a younger version of him for
less money, better locker room guy. So you got to
do You got to do your homework completely in terms
of character, work ethic. Does he like to work? Is
he a grinder? What kind of teammate is he? Is
he going to be in trouble? Am I going to
hear about this guy in the police blotter? Like at
any point of his tenure here will he help younger player?

(06:31):
All those things, all those questions get talked a lot about,
and I think the Broncos have done a really nice
job over the last three years.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
The other part of this is the mystery box phenomenon.
Right you know, you got you got the car sitting
right there, You get a mystery box. You got the
Zach Allen sitting right there. You got the mystery box.
You're a little money hollum even be another Zach Allen,
you never know.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Well, the thing, I mean, the reminder was at the time,
where the Broncos going to keep Draymont Jones and pay
him or like him walking free agency, which obviously opened
up a pretty big chasm there on the defensive line.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
So then they they brought in advanced Joseph.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Futt worked with Zach down in Arizona, so that that
made a lot of sense based on the new defensive
coordinator of the new coaching staff coming in. But I mean,
you remember we talked about it quite a bit. It
was like, boy, Draymond Joels looks like an ascending talent
and now he's on a one year deal in Tennessee.
It's amazing.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
It was fascinating the pushback when they let you know,
the fan push back, I'll say, when they let Dreymont
walk and brought in Zach. I remember watching the ZAC
stuff turned on some Arizon stop and I'm like, oh,
this guy's this guy's a wrecking crew man. This could
be something. And yeah, Twitter was not having it at
the time. And now, of course I think everybody's on
the Zach Allen try.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
Yeah again, it's back to I think teams trying to
do their homework and identify. You can see on tape
what kind of player you got, and you can see
based on the scheme you have, what he does well,
maybe some of the things he doesn't do well. What
you can't see on tape is sort of the care

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or the player, the work ethic of the player. Does
he love football as much as the coaches love football?
The answer to that is not always yes, and frankly
maybe maybe even you know, not not yes very much.
But the guys that do, they kind of bounce to
the to the top of the heap because those guys

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that love it and they're talented, and they're going to
work and they've got they check all the boxes that coaches.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Like to have checked.

Speaker 4 (08:30):
Those guys are the guys, you know, you want to
build the foundation of a of a sort of a
new start with, and that's what Sean Payton has done
with Zach Allen.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
He also alluded to, and this was in the Saturday
press conference, that sometimes, and I think it's a good
reminder for all of us, especially fans, but certainly in
the media, they are.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Working with these guys.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
But it's not like it goes in order of the
guy you offer first, or the guy you're talking to first,
you know, like they I think that and Ben talked
about this a bit on Saturday.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
The Corland Sutton thing.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Felt like he was one of the furthest away early
on in the process, but then that one caught up
really quickly, and then of course that got done first.
But doesn't necessarily mean that that was the first one
they started working on before they got to that contracting
over the finish line.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
Yeah, Corley was actually the third person they offered the
out of the big three or whatever, and then the
first one to sign.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
And he took quite a bit of a haircut.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
I think he would have got about five million more
per year out there on the free agent market. But
that shows that, you know, his heart was being here
in Denver. Loved the idea of being here with with
Bow and being here with Sean.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Payton and being here in Denver.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
And he's been at Denver's whole career, and you know,
I think I think I says something about him as
a as a person beyond what it you know, what
it means for him as a player.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Zach was cool too. On Saturday. He just sort of
talked about the trust that he and then the rest
of the team sort of have in the front office
in the organization. He's like, there's a reason why we're
not having these contentious contract discussions out in public. You're
seeing what's happened with James Cook, Michael Parsons, We've been
talking about quite a bit. Terry McLaurin. The Broncos haven't
had any of that, and all these guys have been

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out there for all of the practices, including Nick Benito.
And by the way, Sean Payton did allude to the
fact that they are working on something behind the scenes
with Nick Benito right now, not giving any timeline on
that as he sort of broke the Courtland Sutton News
last week before it.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Actually got done.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
He said, oh, that thing is pretty close, which basically
meant it was done. So it it's good, I think
in the way that we go into this season without
some of those discussions or debates or why is the
organization waiting on these players? Dave, I mean I think
that more specifically with Zach Allen. I sometimes you overused
this and I'm sorry, but again, kind of a heart

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and soul guy inside the defensive line.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
What he the guys in the defensive line room.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
And it's funny because we had Shelby here and he
kept talking up JFM. He's like, hey, that's the guy
you actually got to get done. But here they got
Zach Allen done, and the room, at least Prinsing is
pretty excited about it.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
Yeah, you want, I mean, you want your best players,
position players to be your hardest working guys, and then
those guys just naturally are the guys that you're going
to want to reward when it comes time to contract time,
because it gives you the ability, I think, to point
to those guys when you're talking to some of the

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younger players, guys that just got drafted or free agents
or whatever, and say, listen, be like him, right because
he gets here first, he works harder than all you
young guys, and now you gotta be a good player.
Can't just be you have all the characteristics and then
you know you're an average player that won't work. And
Zach Allen certainly is not that. But I mean, he

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embodies really what I think Sean Payton and the organization
wants in terms of a guy, how he handles himself
away from the facility, away from football, how he handles media,
and then how he plays. I mean, the guy played
over eighty percent, eighty some percent of the snaps last year.

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I mean, listen in today's game. That's a lot at
any position. That big boy really a lot playing the
position he plays because you're taking on double teams a lot.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
So I mean, he's a warrior.

Speaker 4 (12:12):
And it's not surprising that they got that deal done
because now again you've got somebody who can say, go
follow him around all week, don't talk to me, just
do what he does.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
The other thing that I think doesn't get talked about,
but Zach Allen knows how smart he is. He's a
very very intelligent guy. Just college at Boston College. But
he was a wonderlick score I think was a forty.
He's a very intelligent guy. On top of having the
work ethic and everything else.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
We spend a lot of time on Saturday talking about
how quickly the Nick Benito contract might ultimately follow on
the heels of this ben you said on Saturday, I
just want to reiterate this. You don't think that it's
necessarily closed. Now again, gaps can close in a hurry.
It just sort of depends. But it sounds like, based
on your reporting that he is waiting on Trey Hendrickson,
Michael Parsons, etc.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
That'll bump up that top five average, which is about
what he's going to get. He's gonna wind up with
a number that's somewhere in that fifth to fourth number,
which is around twenty eight to thirty three million per year.
And so if Parsons and Hendrickson bring that number up,
that brings his bottom line up. It also brings the
average and the franchise tag up, which is the Broncos leverage,
so it helps him out. It's just it makes no
sense for Nick Benito to sign right now fiscally because

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he doesn't have to do anything and his number goes up.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
I guess that makes makes a lot of sense really
for both sides. Again, we all spent all off season
debating all three of these guys specifically, and I felt like, well,
at least I was pretty confident on Courtland Sutton. I
know the two of you are a little bit less.

Speaker 4 (13:36):
Yeah, but the truth of the matter is, I'm glad
Courtland got signed. But in fairness, the debate was the
money and the guarantee, and you brought up receivers such
as Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson and.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
Who in Elson Cincinnati T Higgins.

Speaker 4 (14:00):
Yeah, that's the one that Well, Courtland's numbers did not
approach those numbers, So ask did I never said he
wasn't wasn't a good wasn't a good player, and you
hoped he was going to sign, But I did not
think the Broncos were going to offer him that that
kind of money. So in essence, Ryan, now that you've
added yourself, you were more wrong really than Ben or I.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
But go ahead, I agree this. Yeah. Point, well, you
thought cortland was going to get T Higgins money.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
There's like there's like movie the goal posts?

Speaker 1 (14:29):
Did you get?

Speaker 2 (14:30):
And then there's like we're just gonna play without goal posts?

Speaker 4 (14:32):
I mean, I mean there, I mean, we just never
thought court was going to get T Higgins money. Doesn't
mean he can't be a productive player. He's the Broncos
number one receiver and I hope he catches eighty for
twelve seventy I really do.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
I think the point that I ultimately made is that
cortland Son would look at T Higgins twenty eight point
seventy five and say I should.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
Be getting a Yeah, that's I'm sure he did. Yeah,
how'd that workout? He didn't get that five, so you
would okay? Did he at twenty five?

Speaker 2 (15:00):
No?

Speaker 4 (15:01):
Okay, So both of those things out of your pie
hole were a no, which would mean you were wrong.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
Oh, twenty three.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
Four, twenty four? Can I get a twenty three? Twenty three?

Speaker 4 (15:12):
He got forty two guaranteed Yes, over two years, and
that's basically that is not twenty three.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Well, I mean, I'm saying the average.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
That's not twenty three.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
The average of the fake money is twenty three.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Yeah, yeah, real money is twenty one. So that's okay.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
I you'll know here, but you know that's exactly what
his contract runs out. Who's scheduled to get paid to Yeah,
bick oh Nicks.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
You're You're absolutely be and I still love you, but
you're absolutely not right here, in fact wrong, like you
were dead wrong about Courtland, sudden dead wrong.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
I was the one that wanted to back.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
I never said I didn't want him back, that's true.

Speaker 4 (15:50):
I said it's going to depend on the number of
years and the guaranteed money. You were talking about T
Higgins guaranteed money. I said, I don't think think the
Broncos are going to.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Do that, and you were right about that.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
It's hard for you to say I didn't.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Think he'd take the discount that he took. At the
end of the day, I think it's gotten that money
on the open market.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
I think I'm not sure about that.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
I think it's a good deal for court because I mean, listen,
he's thirty years old.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
Let's just say the next two years they.

Speaker 4 (16:18):
Light it up and he is Bow's number one receiver,
So throw me the ball. There's no say And if
the Broncos want to go a different direction or whatever,
there's no say in that. Courtland can't go play another
three four years if he stays healthy. So I, hey,
forty two million guaranteed is forty two million guaranteed. That's
a lot of money to take in the next two years.

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And I say, good for Courtland. I do it for
ten percent of that. You go out there and I'd
last one play. You'd be a little slop back.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Four point two million dollars to one point before I
get destroyed by whoever hit me.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
There'd be a lot of guys like the tee off
a year.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
The last Hey, that guys the size of Brice Callahan
had I get to beat him up here, and.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
That's the guy that is the Bronco Goes insider.

Speaker 4 (17:01):
Yeah, I didn't the two days at one.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah, Bonix is going to lead you.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
Yeah, Brandon Johns stand right there.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
It's gonna lead you right into this, just right right there,
brick Wall boom. Yeah. Well, excited for those contracts and uh,
obviously they're all out there practicing today day. It was
a good day for Johnny Baron by the way, so
they're starting to get comfortable. I had a nice day
out there. Uh.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
We we will go over the interceptions.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
I definitely want to get the people are taking a
lot of these interceptions. And it's not to say that
it means nothing. There's there's very little out there that
means absolutely nothing. But how much do in your opinion,
Bonix's increased level of interceptions over the last three practices

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mean to you, Uh.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
Not not much. I think they're learning opportunities. I mean
he made the he made the pick when you and
I were standing together to Devin Key in sevens that's
just a ball you can't throw. Yeah, but you know
you you, I mean all quarterbacks, he's only a second
to your quarterback. I mean, there's certain things you want
to take a look at in practice, and that's that's

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why you practice. That's why you just don't show up
in September and say, well, Titan is going to be
here in two days, let's work out for a little
bit and we'll go play.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
I mean, for me, it's it's you go ahead and
do that. Okay, Now you saw why that didn't work.
Now you know why you can't do it in the game,
you know, I mean, it gets the opportunity. It's if
you see like the off the back foot throw that
you know, go ahead and do that.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
All right, we're in practice.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
Go ahead and do that, and now you see why
you can't do it consistently. Let that, Let that, Let
that sink in, and know to do it the way
I coached it, you know.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
The other interception from today was over the middle. He
was trying to find out an ingram. I actually, you know,
I don't know if you saw the same thing day,
but we were standing there it looked like there was
It probably was either a busted play one with the other,
whether it's the defensive line off side or should have
been blown dead because the offensive line jumped right either way.
It was. It was weird from the beginning, and then

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Bo tried to just touch pass over the middle to
Evan Ingram and Justice Arnad left up and just kind
of bouted to himself.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
I think that I think he felt like he had
a free play.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Right, and we were discussing them on the sideline.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
We're like, does he think he's a free player?

Speaker 4 (19:16):
I mean, that's that's how I looked at that throw. Okay,
I mean there's throws in that situation where you're just
not going to make them unless you're pretty sure you
have a free play.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
So well, we had no refs out there today, unlike
on Friday when he threw the interceptions too passer tan
and they threw a flag on that. Even though the
Meatia continues to report it as a passer tanned interception,
it was not the point of it is this was
a moment we don't have refs, so we're just kind
of going off of it. Just looked a little disjointed,
But yeah, David, I think that makes the most sense.
But once again, it's one of those like, Okay, it

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didn't work out. What what are the mechanics of why
it didn't work out. I think that's the learning process. Yeah, okay,
so we'll come back. We got to get to this
Yahoo article and what uh remember it last year that
Sean did this where he went to it wasn't Yahoo
though he was USA today. Yeah, U said, Today is
usually the one he goes to with uh. And he

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had a couple too many lattes, remember, and he made
all these bold Yes, well he's at it again with
Charles Robinson with Yahoo. Some bold statements from Sean Payton,
and we'll get to it next. We'll get to some
of the comments from Sean Payton to you to Yahoo
now USA today this time. Yeahoo for just a second.
But first of all, I want to shout out Dave
Logan because that Rockies comeback on Friday night. For you

(20:35):
to get the dub and show me the money was
I had to have the Rockies and the over sensational.
I had the Rockies plus a run and a half.

Speaker 4 (20:44):
Didn't feel great after the first hitting, I doubt nine
nothing before the Rockies had an at bat. But God
love him, you know. I texted Drew Goodman the next
day because I'm sitting there watching that game. I'm thinking first,
how many people are actually going to stick with this game.
I'm gonna stick with it for a while, And they

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showed just enough offense at that point.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
I'm like, probably not, but maybe. Yeah, it gives you
a little bit of hope.

Speaker 4 (21:14):
But yeah, Drew actually said, like in the fourth inning
and they're down, I don't know a lot to a little.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
You know, this sort of feels like it could be.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
One of those old fashioned course fields game.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
And it's sure. It sure was.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
Ferg he had to retire.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
He couldn't even come back to the show this week
after a smack talking you after the first inning nine
to one.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Yeah, Nick Ferguson has been ghosted me at the Yeah,
he was tweeting me out. He's live tweeting the score
at Ryan. I tell you, you know, I tried to
tell you a really bad team and I was like, oh, yeah,
this is frustrating.

Speaker 4 (21:57):
You know what, young Nick has to learn that in
the world of degenerate gambling. Yeah, ain't ever ever crow
that early. I mean, for me, you never crow until
the game's over. Well, it's like it's like me with
the Pacers thing. I was about to fire off that
text to Dave Logan and I was.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
Like, you know what, I better not.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
I've been here before.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
There were six combined home runs in the game, thirty
three combined runs and forty hits. It was it was,
like Drew said, sort of one of those epic course
field kind of games. They of course win the series
over the weekend, even beating Paul Skeens.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah, the Pittsburgh Pirates.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
More runs on that home run than he gave up
the entire month of It was remarkable.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Yeah, he got to Paul Skeens and they ended up
pointing that game on Saturday fell let yesterday that they
showed some fight. They had one inningwhere they hit three
straight home runs, but unfortunately kilt.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah, Toronto tonight hosting the Toronto Blue Jayson the next
three so a love cover starting at six o'clock. All right,
so let's talk about some of these comments from Sean
Payton to Charles Robinson with the YAHUO. We'll see if
you get Charles on later this week. But he two
jumped out. The first one he got to was actually on.

(23:08):
It was on bon Nicks. If I believe correctly, he
said he's going to be one of the top four
or five quarterbacks in the league in the next two years.
I mean, there's sticking up for your guy. I mean
we've done this exercise where we talked about how many
quarterbacks would you take in front of boon Nicks. I
think we've gotten to ten or twelve, and then you
kind of get into that murky well, like this guy's
qualities over this guy's qualities, And it's not to say

(23:31):
that he couldn't. The one thing that jumps out to
me on that is that you have the play caller
and the guy that is the most bought in two
bon Knicks calling places and quite literally designing things in
a way to possibly put him in position to do that.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
So it's not to say that he will get there
and won't get there.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
It's to say that if anybody has a chance to
get him there, it's Sean Well, he's certainly the most invested.
But this is what you do, Like.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
This is the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
Like people are up at arms about Sean Payton declaring
the Broncos are competing for a Super Bowl this year
and Bow's going to be a top five quarterback. And
that's what you say, like, would you he's so much
worse to Sean Payton Guns show. Well, you know, we
think bo is about the twelfth best quarterback and you know,
kind of Derek Carr type.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Yeah, well, we hope to make the playoffs. If your
coach is saying that or then you've got bigger problems.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
I agree, but it's still I don't hate it.

Speaker 4 (24:26):
But every time he does this paint the target, I'll
just say I'm surprised.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
I don't hate it. Listen, He's that's a thing we
talked about this.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
I mean, this is a guy who is as bright offensively,
I think he'd be in the top five in the game.
Even though he's you know, done it for a long time.
Guy is still really good from an offensive scheme standpoint.
He's won a Super Bowl all we all know that,
and they and they went ten games last year, and
we all know he loves the quarterback and so he

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say whatever he wants to. But you know, I was
surprised last year when he came out after the lattes.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Although that was was that Kay Adams? That was well, yeah,
one of the times, all right.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
So but when I saw these comments today, I'm like, Okay,
he's basically just saying listen, I think we're going to
be really good.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
I don't give two.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
Poo poos if y'all put this up in the in
the locker room, you want to use this as bullet
the board, I don't care. I got the quarterback I like.
I think our defense is going to be really good.
I like both those running backs. You know what we're
going to be. Uh you know what to deal with
this year?

Speaker 1 (25:46):
So tough. If you don't like it, that's just too bad.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
I love setting the standard at excellence through the commentary.
It's just, you know, it's a trade off with the
painting the target thing. I mean, we're one we're one
season away from Sean Payton guaranteed to Kay Adams that
were sweeping the Chiefs right.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
And I do believe.

Speaker 4 (26:00):
And this is where people, I think sometimes might say,
I mean, come on, man, they're in the NFL. But
I do believe there's something to a coach for a
team that hasn't done it. And this team hasn't done it.
I mean, they've got they got a lot of pieces,
but the reality is, I mean, the last time you know,
they won the Super Bowl was ten years ago.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
So these guys, these guys were.

Speaker 4 (26:22):
Babies, but I think there is something to a coach
that is a respected coach that gets up in front
of the locker room that has their attention of saying, hey, man,
I believe you know what, this team is good enough.
It's a seventh team I've had of all the years.
I think this team is good enough to get to
the super Bowl. There is something to be said about
a coach infusing confidence into his team, even at the

(26:46):
elite level. That that is like, I mean that guy.
I think guys will for the most part in the
locker room be stoked about that.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Well, I absolutely agree, and I'll take that a step further.
I don't know if you saw before the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
I mean not that there's a lot of stock to
take from the Hall of Fame game or whatever, but
you see Jim.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Harball hyping up Trey Lance. Yeah, do you see that?

Speaker 2 (27:05):
It's still in the car. I got you believe in this.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
You're gonna go out there, You're gonna crush it, you
know all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
And I'm like, man, there's got to be something too.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
That coach sitting there telling a guy whose career has
not panned out the way that he thought it would
that you're gonna go out in this game and you go,
you're gonna you know, you gotta kick backside, and he
certainly did.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
I like the point you guys made. Honestly, the first
thing I thought of was Sean kind of putting expectations
out there. Maybe they're realistic in his head, but for
a lot of people to go, Okay, well, you know,
I mean you got to you got to sort of
say that. Typically coaches couch their language. They usually kind
of ride the line a little bit, and they they
make sure to do that so they don't have quote
unquote bullet board material or having their words thrown back

(27:43):
in their face. But when you say I've coached six
teams that I thought could win a super Bowl, some
went to a championship games and some of the playoffs,
this is my seventh team, I think that has that
I like the point you guys made.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
I think that that's something that the players in the
locker room will.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
See that and say, Wow, the coach, you know, he's
been saying good things about us, but he really thinks
we're the seventh team in his illustrious career. Maybe you're right,
maybe there is something to the momentum that brings well
when we come back.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
I want to play the sound bike.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
So he was asked about those quotes to Yahoo, I'll
play the sound by to what Shawn actually wants to
get out there more in the media. So he said
that he's coached six teams that he thought can win
a Super Bowl and the seventh that he thinks that
has that. He also said Bonix could be a top
four or five quarterback in the league in the next
two years, which is pretty impressive. So he was asked

(28:32):
about it in this press conference today about those comments,
here's what he said.

Speaker 5 (28:35):
Obviously, it has to start with quarterback. It has to
start with defense, it has to start with offensive line.
Like there's there's certain things that if they're not on point,
it's it's hard to make a statement like that, but
when you when you look at some of these critical
factors and look, I told.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Him that, and I was that doesn't mean that just
means you have a chance.

Speaker 5 (29:05):
And then I would say, most importantly ownership, because there's
a twenty that each year have hope and dreams and
they're dysfunctional at the top.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
That's great, that's great. I mean and listen, I think
that's a fantastic point. We've talked about that before. Daves
a little bit about the organizational structure, front office, coaching, ownership,
all those kinds of things. Let me ask you something, though,
because what he's saying is sort of an on paper
thing with the added insights of being the head coach

(29:41):
that actually gets to work with these players. Cause I
think we've all said, from on paper perspective, this team
looks like they could really do something this year. But
he's got the insight there with a coach, what is
the difference between what he sees and what we see? Like,
why would he take that step? We would say, hey,
this is a team that could be competitive, and he says,
I see something more because I'm in it every single day.

Speaker 5 (30:02):
I think.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
He I think he really likes his team, and I
think he wants people to know how much he likes
his team.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
I think he wants.

Speaker 4 (30:14):
The rightful attention to a team that he thinks is
a Super Bowl challenging team. And so the best way
to get that kind of attention is for a guy
that has street cred. Now, with what he said, there'll

(30:34):
be much more attention than it would be if Bow.

Speaker 6 (30:39):
Would have said it interesting, you know what I mean,
because people are like, hey, listen, skycoach Drew Brees, He's
been to the Super Bowl, I mean, could have easily
gone to another one except had some difficulties against the
Rams and officials, and we all know that story.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
But Sean Payton holds he holds a lot of street
cred I think amongst in a people in terms of
his offensive vacuum, and and when he says something.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
It's like WHOA, Okay.

Speaker 4 (31:06):
So I think he wants he wants that glare, he
wants that spotlight on this team because I think he
feels like he's got the kind of team that that
sort of a tension will bring the best out of
and he likes it.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
And I believe he believes it too. I don't think
he's just saying it. I mean, go back, go back
to last year. Our first the first Insider segment did
with you and Rick out there, and we were in
the first thing I talk there's there's belief in this
building that this team could make the playoffs, which at
the time, I remember you said, say a laughable premise.
Nationally right, people were saying the bron because of the
worst roster. You know, everybody Vegas was projecting what six wins,
settle whatever it was.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
Yeah, because an absurd notion.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
But he believed that. He believed that the talent was
there at the time to get that team to the playoffs.
And sure enough they I mean, they had a back
door against the Chiefs, but they made it. You know,
I think he believes it. I don't think he's just
blowing smoke. I think he firmly believes it.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Well, well, they control their destiny for those last few weeks.
It was they lost the Chargers and they lost to
the Bengals, and you know those are those are two
tough games, but they had the Chiefs at home. Yeah,
you're right in some ways because the Chiefs ended up
pitching the charters. But the Broncs probably still felt confident
enough that if the Chiefs would have played their starters.
It's just tough to know what direction that would have gone.

(32:17):
The Broncs have played the Chiefs tough over the last
several years, even without Sean Payton and bow Nicks. Yeah, regardless,
they made it. I mean, that's not that's not right.
You saw back door and as it as in it
was gifted to them and and and in some ways
because they played the backups, but we don't know what
that would have looked like otherwise, right, and I'm trying
to they literally could have won the first game if
they would have waked appropriate.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
To relegate the point being is, I mean they did.
They got to cross that line. Took till the last game,
and against you know, backers, but they they got there.
And you know, whether by hook or by crook, if
you get there, you get there.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
They're They're an interesting spot here because the the optimism.
We can talk about this in this a little bit.
I mean, the optimism is obviously swelling on this team.
But the letdown, like we saw specific just a few
years ago with Russell Wilson when he was here, the
letdown was almost more significant.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Right.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
We came into that Russell Wilson season all believing I did.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
I did too.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
We were like, this is it. They were a quarterback away.
They got they signed Tim Patrick and Cordland Sun to extensions.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
They had everybody coming back.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
They had everything in place, brought a new coaching staff, everything,
everybody seemed excited. But the letdown was so extreme. So
I guess that's the one thing that I think for
a lot of Broncos fancy like, you really like what
you're seeing, you like the coach saying these things, but
oh my gosh, what will happen if.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
This falls apart.

Speaker 4 (33:33):
I don't think there's any correlation. I understand your point,
but I don't think there's any correlation to how, at
least I wouldn't I would hope not how Broncos fans
felt about the previous regime and sort of how they
were going to approach. I think there was an excitement
with Russell, for sure, but I mean, all you have

(33:55):
to do is go out and look at practice and
and this is this IS's third training camp of practice,
right from the get Go training camp number one, and
I think it's increased. It does looked like an NFL
training camp. I mean, I've been in plenty of them
were I mean, they're hard work. This looks like an

(34:18):
NFL training camp. This is not me taking a shot
at Nathaniel Hackett. But not one time when I went
to training camp did that look like an NFL training
camp to me