08-05-25 KOA Sports Hour 2 with Benjamin Allbright

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Jogging in here. Yeah, got a lot of right after.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
They quipped too, singing exactly right, singing Rihanna, I was
in your boss's office.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Oh and I think we'll make it through the end
of the show. No, whoa news bonus. I'm a big fan.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Coming up an hour from now, we're going to have on.
Charles Robinson from Yahoo Sports had the article yesterday on
Sean Payton, Mike McGlinchey, Ronco starting right tackle coming up
at five point thirty. It was a padded practice today.
They got, of course, the joint practice coming up on Thursday.
I think they're going to walk through, but we don't
get to be at that tomorrow. But we're going to
have a joint practice on Thursday. Today, no interceptions, they

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have been flow of practice. But the nice thing today
is you did get back Hugh Robinson and Drake Greenlaw.
They both came out there in pads. Dre did not
do work with team. I think he's still kind of
getting back into the flow. But that's got to be
good news.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
I missed today's practice.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
They had the media day to kick off the high
school football season, and so for all sports, and this
is this is just a tad bit off your sort
of question.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
But you know what, it was really cool about it.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
They had they had one of the school's girls flag
football team for the it was fount In for Carson.
For the first time, they're having girls flag football, which
I think is outstanding. And you can earn a scholarship
to college playing football.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
I'm just saying.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
So, so back to your question, I mean, you know,
I didn't see it, but good that Vo didn't throw
an interception. I think you're gonna you're gonna get a
lot of good work on Thursday when these two teams,
When the Niners host the Broncos in practice, those usually
are spirited practices, and especially when you think of San Francisco,

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they have a physicality about them. Not to say the
Broncos don't or can't, but the Niners do, even with
new faces, and so I would bet I would bet
there will be some getting after each other in those practices.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
Mawbly, four or forty nine ers players we have on
this roster, I mean green Law, green Law like five
of our safetya dj J, Mike McGlinchey. There's there's quite
a few, uh former Niners on this roster and it
has been a pipeline for you know, for years. I
mean Tim Patrick came over here from there, you hat
other guys like that. So yeah, it's I imagine it'll
be a little bit of little chippiness. So between the

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Saints and the forty nine ers, this this roster basically, Yeah,
we meet in the middle in Denver.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
That it is.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yeah, and those guys are very much looking forward to.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
I guess Dave you could speak to this more than anybody,
just that you get to a certain point in camp
you're ready to go against other players, and that I
got that sense out there today. I got chest to
chat with Lavel Bailey, and as soon as I brought
up the joint practice, He's like, oh boy, we're very
excited about seeing another team now.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
So yeah, I think it'll be I think it'll be
good for both teams. It'll be spirited. You're tired of
of hitting each other. You know, the defense knows, uh,
the offense knows, the checks, the defense knows when the
offense checks. It's it just gets very, very repetitive, even
though it's highly competitive. So I think it'll be great

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on Thursday.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah, I'm very much looking forward to although we will
not be out there.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Susie Warden will be and we'll have her on the
show to get her thoughts on practice on Thursday. A
couple of things today though, Pat Bryant had an unbelievable day,
and I think part of it because, like JK, it
was kind of a at rest day, So JK. Dobbins,
Malcolm Roach, Trent Sherfield Court was out there, but I
don't think he did as much with team. So you

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got a chance to see Pat Bryant, you got to
see Troy Franklin a lot. Michael Panty caught like four
touchdowns today. I mean he had an unbelievable day really
with all three teams smoochest. But I really did like
the opportunity for some of those guys to kind of
get the extra as you would say, tick out there
with really all three teams. So in a lot of ways,

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Pat Bryan got the feeling of being the starting X
in this offense, and he got Pepper with a lot
of targets.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
He was great, He was great out there.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
I think that is sort of an interesting I won't
say it's a battle, sort of is a battle, but
I think it's interesting when you have a guy that
is a third round draft choice, which I think constitutes
being a air quote high draft choice. And he comes
in with a lot of fanfare from the head coach,

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and you like everything about him. His toughness, his ability
to run routes. He's got very good hands, he'll block.
There's really not much you don't like about him. Maybe
he doesn't have top end speed, but he's got football speed.
So I think I think that's going to be interesting
to see how quickly he progresses into forcing them to say, Okay,

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how do we get this guy when when when the
real action starts, how do we get this guy on
the field.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
Yeah, And I'm sure they'll they will manufacture a ways
if he continues to do that, that kind of stuff
he's I mean, like right now, he backs up Courtland Sutton.
He's kind of you know, him and Ballet have kind
of shared that little Jordan Humphrey role, you know, as far.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
As that kind of stuff goes.

Speaker 4 (05:08):
But I mean, if you're out there catching everything throwing
your way, I mean, if it makes it undeniable, you know,
go out go out there and do what you're supposed
to do, and you make it undeniable.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
They got to put you out there.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Let's get it into an interesting conversation about Pat Bryant
with another media member and I think maybe a understand
we'll get into a little bit, but it was sort
of like, if Pat Bryant ends up being as good
as Sean Payton says he thinks he can, Like, what
is that going to do for all of the Hey,
this was a reach. This was especially with all the
other wide receivers around that pick like this, this is

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kind of the signature pick of this draft. Maybe Jeanne Barron,
maybe that could be in a discussion, but they kind
of fell into that pick. Everybody thought Baron was gonna
go much earlier. The biggest reach quote unquote reach was
Pat Bryant, So maybe we could talk about that.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
On the other side, about the processes.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
First team offense got into field goal range in part
because of what Troy Franklin did catching that twenty yard
pa as On scrambled drill. So some really nice moments
from the offense today. Did a really good job and
did some red zone seven on seven, which was nice.
Boenix threw a couple of touchdown passes, charged him through
three touchdown passes and then you had a couple of
touchdown passes from Elleger as well, So it.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Was one of those days.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Oh yeah, right, Although we said jokingly because they were
doing one drill where they're throwing into sort of the
bucket nets out there, and Elliger was hitting a few
of those, and it was like, huh, controversy, it's really
you know, you really got that down. Controversy for Pat
Bryant though, because of all the picks that the Broncos did,

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and you know, maybe there's some people out there that
didn't want him to draft the punter, but I think
when you see what this new punter is doing out there,
he's been impressed. Good, they're gonna like it. Yeah, he's
got his le, like to say, a very lively leg indeed.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Indeed.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
But Pat Bryant is is the most interesting one because
right after Pat Bryant was Jalen Newell Ati I was
taped that you and I liked quite a bit.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Ben went.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
He went very next to wide receiver, saving On Williams
out of TCU. As also liked a top guy wide receiver.
And then I think before the draft, tay Ty Felton
out of Maryland. So there's only three more wide receivers
that went right after. But there are even guys in
today's three that we still like. So Pat Bryant was
by a lot of consensus, and again say, what do

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you want about that to be a Day three pick?

Speaker 1 (07:26):
But they took him on Day two because they liked him.
So if Pat.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Bryant ends up paying off, what does that say about
the Broncos processes of identifying talent.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
Oh, I think they've been pretty good prior to that.
I think they've been pretty good since the Peyton and
Peyton combo when Sean got here and George was here,
and I think anybody and you can find We've talked
about this ad nauseum, but you can find fault with
George Peyton, as you can with anybody that runs an
NFL team from a GM seat. There will be some

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hits and there will be some misses. It's just the
way it works. But I think George is really adept
at looking at college talent, looking at talent in general,
identifying what the strengths are of that particular player, and
then talking to his head coach about what he sees
on tape. And I think when you look at what

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they've done together. I think you could say that this
is a productive duo. There's other people involved, there's scouts
and all sorts of people, but George Payton's the GM
and Sean Payton's the head coach. We all know that
a very productive duo in terms of identifying exactly the
kind of player that Sean wants. And then when you

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find that player, they've stayed what I call true to
the process. And even though maybe others had that player
slotted to go deeper in the draft, if they find
the guy and they look at their board and they
say our board says take that guy, they've been true
to it and they've taken that guy.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
Yeah, I think they have.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
I think they have faith in their conviction of you know, hey,
we've got this process now. I like, I'm a little
concerned about them along the lines. But as the further
away from the ball you get they've been nails with
some of these you know, with some of these draft picks.
You know, the Wattenburg thing, I don't know, and we
haven't really drafted a defensive lineman that has that has
been anything.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
We got three free agents up there right now.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
But I want to see what Savia turns out to be.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Yeah, I mean, gambling thing derailed him for a season.
We'll see.

Speaker 4 (09:29):
But I mean, Henningson is sort of kind of just
a guy. I means smart guy. I mean he's kind
of just a guy. We haven't really seen them draft
and develop any of those interior defensive linemen are offensive linemen.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
They were either free agents or trades.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Well, Zavian Jones has got yeah, I mean he and
he certainly he's got a couple of moments, but again,
this is going to be kind of not a red
shirt season for him, but a learning season for him
considering the depth they have there on the defensive line,
which isn't a bad thing, right.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
So it just strikes me as as that that was
kind of one of the picks.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Like when Sean gets up there in the post draft
press conference and start talking about Michael Thomas, It's like, boy,
this guy, I mean, he really saw something in this player,
specifically that a lot of draft people out there did
not see. People disregarded him for his forty time or
disregard him for whatever reason, but.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Sean saw something in him.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
So that that's for me, like a signature thing for
Sean that if Pat Brian becomes what he thinks he can.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
Boy, they've they've found something there. But I think he's
already made his bona fides on that.

Speaker 4 (10:27):
I mean he Sean did the same thing with Marcus
Colston when nobody, you know, some kid from Hofstra that
nobody had anything on, Sean got it. Sean got him
late in the draft and turned into he was like,
this is the guy. Like, this guy's gonna be the guy.
He has a history of finding guys like that, receivers,
you know, and having faith in what they can become.
So I think, to me, it doesn't do anything at
pet right, I'm like, that's the expectation, you know, I mean,

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that's the expectation with the guy's done it before.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Do you think for Sean this year is an opportunity
to push him out there or do you think we're
probably looking at more of a two or to three
year project.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
No, no, no, for any position, I think anymore what
it used to be in the NFL, as you said,
the two to three year project, those days are long gone.
And if you find a young guy that you think
is ready, he's going out there now. He'll go out
there with somebody's expense in terms of snaps. Who will

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that be? I mean, he's the same I almost say
he's the same receiver. He's got similar traits to both
Courtland and Devon Vley.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
You can't have enough ball catchers.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
But it does beg the question, and I think Veley
has not been completely right in camp. I was talking
to some media members yesterday watching practice and he's warning
that sleeve over his leg and he missed, you know,
a handful of days early, and I didn't say what

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it was for. But I'm just watching him and he's practicing,
He's he's sucking it up, he's working. I like Devon
Bailey's game, always have, but it does I sort of wonder,
with Pat Bryan a third round pick, what exactly that
means for the future of some of those.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Guys five six, six, nine zeros or can we comment?
Sprut all text line. We'll check in with Charles Robinson
for Beyond Who Sports coming at the top of the hour.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
An hour from now.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Mike mcglinchy, Bronks Wright Taxes going to join Us'll look
forward to chatting with him.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Bo Nicks.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
It shouldn't be controversial, but somehow it feels like it is. Anyways,
bo Nix now has his own YouTube channel.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
I saw interesting. Yeah, you think after Russ. I'm just saying, look,
I don't think.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
Bo's anything like Russ, and I do believe that that
that is him, like that's authentically him and all that
kind of stuff. But you would think after Russ, maybe
you want to lay low just a little while on that.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
But there's a reason why you open the show talking
about anonymous donors, right, because it's not only Sean out
there telling everybody, especially the national media.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Gosh, I love the national media telling everybody how great
this team is gonna be.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
But then there's Bonis who now is like, all right,
I'm gonna open up my own YouTube channel and I'm
gonna post some video of me working out in the
off season. That's what it is. It's just, you know,
he's just talking to the camera. It's nine minutes and
change long. It's it's not it's not rocket science. It's
just it's not super flashy either. It's just him at
a high school run track.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
So do you do you think people have the high knees?
Do you think people will have a problem with that?

Speaker 5 (13:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (13:42):
I do. I bet people will I've already seen some
media people have an issue with it. Yeah, I've heard
a harket.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
I've heard some media people having an issue with it.

Speaker 4 (13:51):
I don't know, man, I don't think fans will. I
don't think fans will were really, I mean, it's their quarterback.
Any any chance you get to see more of you know,
your quarterback you kind of want to write, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
Yeah, I don't. I mean, I'm like you. I saw
it this morning, and I watched the video.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
I was like, all right, whatever if it was, but
you're right, the double standard was Russ and maybe that's
what it is.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
It just it's just.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Because we're too fresh from that. But actually, the first
thing I thought of, believe it or not, when I
was watching it. I even told Anthony Rodd like halfway through,
I was like, I can't even imagine Paxton Lynch doing
any of this stuff, like not not the filming of it,
but just you know, working.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
On spending time at his craft. Is that what you're
trying to say? That's yeah?

Speaker 2 (14:36):
I was like, So for me, I'm excited because I'm like,
this is my quarterback who's spending time.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
With the off season doing the right things and getting
ready for the season.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
I think you should be celebrating that, but once again,
people will find a way to be as the song
relates to their controversial Well, I mean, but Paxton didn't
have to get a YouTube channel.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
He already had a Twitch account.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
Are those of you that don't know that is a
game streak of video game streaming account and you should
very obviously pick up on the reference from there.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
But anyways, Yeah, today I saw her at PSN patch.
The Pirate is still active.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
Oh man, yeah, I saw some stuff out there. We've
heard some stuff out there. Some people are getting upset
about it. In the end, it's like, what are they
because I haven't seen it. Yeah, I haven't actually seen
the video.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
What are they? What do they up said about that
he's actually doing a video? No, yes, that's it.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
I think I think it's the we want to know
that you're doing it, but we don't need to see
it for whatever reason.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
Okay, it's my quarterback that actually you know, people think
that's t O. That's actually Ryan what he's talking about
bot Nick, Right, it's quarterback.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
Well Trevor Simon, but yeah, oh stop it.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
Yeah, can you imagine it was your email? Trevor five
at hotmail dot com. It's weird how it spelled M.

Speaker 5 (15:51):
A L E.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
I'm just you know, it was weird.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
I thought Trevor Sibion was a better quarterback than Pastonallych, Yeah,
it was.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
That's just what it is. It's such a low bar
to clear.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
Well, with all due respects back to Lynch and I
and I mean.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
All due respect Dna worth a velvet painting of a
historically and I think we've discussed this a little bit,
but I won't go too long in it. But historically speaking,
that was so weirdly managed, Like you just think it's
about in terms of a seventh round quarterback vying for
the starting job versus your first round quarterback. Just saying
that on paper, like years after the fact, still sounds weird,

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doesn't it?

Speaker 5 (16:30):
Not?

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Rock pretty and Trey Lance, No, here's the deal.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
Hypothetically, if if you have two quarterbacks, one's a first
round or one's a seventh rounder, and one of them
works hard, understands the offense, spends time at it might
be a bit limited physically, but good enough to play
in the league.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
And you have another quarterback who's got a big.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
Arm athletic maybe doesn't spend much time at all, doesn't
really have.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
A great football IQ.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
And and I mean that's what are you gonna do
if you're if you're the.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
Coach, well, organizationally speaking, here we go, here we go.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
What what are you going to say? Now here we
go moving the goalpost faster than the I'm moving the
whole field on this one.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
What are you saying?

Speaker 2 (17:25):
It's listen, this is a much bigger investment. You as
an organization said this is our franchise quarterback by drafting
in the first round. Yet for some reason you abandoned
him or he abandoned you.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
I mean whatever.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Either way, it's a bad look for you as an organizations,
badly for him as a quarterback.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
And the seventh rounder beats hi mouth. That's it, But
that's the NFL.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
You don't like it because you just basically wasted a
first round draft choice. But if all the things that
I said are true, you are not going to give
that first round draft choice a job if he doesn't
earn it, if he doesn't put the work in, if
you just you can't.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
You can't do that.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
What you do is look and say, okay, what was
the process that got us to the point that we
thought this guy, and there were other teams Dallas for one,
thought that Paxson Lynch was going to be a dude.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
And you go back and evaluate that.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
Process and make any changes that you think are necessary.

Speaker 4 (18:20):
Bet non tools versus having it upstairs and having the
work ethic end of the day. I mean, that's sunk
many a coach, many a front office. You asked about
Trey Lance. I mean that's another one. They got out
of that because they got the party thing. But you
can go back and look at the history of the
league is littered with scouting departments that bet on tools
and and didn't have the upstairs.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
Work ethical But the Tray Lance thing was different in
that that was not a work ethic thing.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
No, he's at all. I mean he was a worker.
He still is a worker.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
He's trying to make it res for his career. He
he just hasn't had enough time on the fields. So
I think that was that was different than Paxton Lynch.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Who also, by the way, the perberation of Paxton Lynch
re up the opportunity to take Josh Allen of the draft.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
That's a different conversation. Here's boning. That's the fact. Yeah,
I mean once you take I mean you can't go
that soon. Can't on tools guy again, back to the pond.
Can't do it. Here's Bonix on his YouTube channel.

Speaker 6 (19:14):
So in order to you know, compete in season, you
have to be willing to face difficult challenges in the
off season, getting ready for those reactionary states and putting
yourself in those positions so that when you get them
in a game, it's not the first time.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
My training is centered around.

Speaker 6 (19:31):
Being the best athlete that I can be, So if
I can train that in the off season, then I
keep myself healthy.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
Yeah. So there you go.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
This is nine minutes of that and he's working out
and showing his workout routine.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
And it was and they put the date on it
saying it was early her early July.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
So again I heard some of the pushback on some
competing radio stations, But I think generally speaking, because you
might monitor social media much more closely than I do.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
What what are people? What are people?

Speaker 3 (20:07):
You don't what are people? What are people upset about?
What are they pissed off about?

Speaker 4 (20:14):
Well, I think the big question being asked is when
is the clothing store going up in the airport it's about.
But it's the implication that he's going full Russ, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
But guess what he's not. I mean, he's not clearly
not doing that.

Speaker 4 (20:29):
If you'll watch it, it's just him basically doing a
video diary of what he does during the off season.
But it's the implication from fans remembering just two seasons
ago away of.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
What you're saying, is it is too soon. Yeah, it's
just what it is.

Speaker 4 (20:41):
It's people people are still too soon with the bad
taste in their mouth from you know, Let's ride and
the Russ danger which sandwiches in the you know and
all that guy.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
If this guy didn't didn't have the work ethic and
hadn't already established his ability to process the Sean Payton
offense and do it pretty quickly, and then then I
would say, okay, But we live in a world now
that people that are fans want access into what you do.

(21:09):
So I don't have any I mean, I don't think
I would do it, but I wouldn't. I don't have
an issue with him him doing that.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
I don't either.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
And the one very important difference here is it's not
like Bonnix has a film crew following him around out
there training camp like Rust did. Like Russ had a
crew with him, he had an entourage, he had the crew.
They were filming him everywhere he went. It was always present. Right,
this is early July when he's out there to high school,

(21:39):
just going through his his workout regimen.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
I mean, that's it.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
That's really what it is. And we see it in Quarterback, right.
I mean we watched Patrick Mahomes. We've watched Matthew Stafford.
It was Stafford, I can't remember. We've watched Kirk Cousins
down two seasons, Jared Goff, Joe Burrow, gobber.

Speaker 5 (21:58):
Well.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
I mean we watched all those guys do the same thing.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
I mean, Patrick Mahomes has his own personal strength coach. Yes,
he works out with all the time during and after
the season is done.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
So there's an.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Important distinction though, so building the brand and I I
just think, and this would be interesting to ask you, Dave,
because you've obviously been coaching for a long time. As
these players kind of grow up in the social media era,
you start to think about that stuff like it wasn't
a thing thirty years ago, right, we didn't even have
cell phones.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Really or barely had cell phones.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
But now with social media, everybody's kind of I get
followed by high schoolers from around the country or high
school football players from around the country that are trying
to build their brand, and they want to follow back
and they want to be able to interact with a
larger audience.

Speaker 4 (22:45):
In a social media era, building a brand starts as
a kid. You get a social media count. It doesn't
even matter if you're in football. These kids are all
trying to be and that's you're ingrainment it. It's something
they've come up with that we don't. We didn't come
up with it.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
Yeah, I understand that that kids are going to want
to engage in social media, and I think there are kids,
certainly high school kids that want to build their brand.
There's college players that want to build their brand. There's
NFL guys that want to build their brand. But what
I would say about NFL guys would be be careful

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because your brand is how you play.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
It's real simple.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
If you don't play well and you don't keep a
job in the NFL, then you don't have a brand.
Then you got to start over and go be a
fashion designer, go be a music person whatever. You can
build another brand. But your brand what interest people right
now in you, mister NFL player, is the fact that

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you're a great NFL player. So as long as you
keep that in the forefront of your mind and understand
that's where your responsibility lies, then go ahead and build
your brand.

Speaker 4 (23:57):
Very few of them have vantaged to be bad in
the league and then parlay that. But Kurt ben Kirk has,
you know, is one example somebody who was you know
that it was okay, he.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Was okay, he was successful.

Speaker 4 (24:07):
He's very successful on social media now and he invented
some nerve football alternative.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Or whatever, and you know that that's his thing. But
I mean it's yeah, a lot of people don't realize that.

Speaker 4 (24:15):
But it's so you're so programmed now as kids like
you've got to be building your personal brand. And you know,
there's this analogy I think I think I got it
from Grant. I can't remember where where somebody was talking
about this and they said, you know, if somebody came
up to you and and they and you you got,
you put on a post on social media and it
only got like twenty five likes, right, you'd be disappointed
in that. But then if somebody, if twenty five different

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people came up to you, said, man, you look.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
Great today, you'd be overwhelmed by that, right, And so.

Speaker 4 (24:40):
The difference between that fake dopamine hit you get from
social media in real life and they don't realize it
because they come.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
Programmed that you got to have the you know, the
the social media stuff. Yeah, makes sense. Do you think
Sean signed off on it? Oh? Absolutely, m I knows.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
There's no way that happens with his no slash say,
so don't I.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
Would have an example to site that I choose not
to cite that might lead you to believe differently.

Speaker 5 (25:15):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
I'm going to say I don't know. I don't know
at all. If bou cleared it. Maybe he did, but yeah,
I'm going to leave it there. All right, good enough
for me.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
I don't think it's a big deal either way. I
think it comes back to our conversation earlier. And at
the same time, what could Sean possibly even say, right like,
you're the starting quarterback of an NFL team?

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Oh well, no, the hold on you. You really don't
want to go down that road. Dan. Here's what he
could say.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
Listen, I don't think it's a good idea to do this,
and then that's the end of that.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Well, if you so, then maybe it's more of an
asked forgiveness kind of thing for both, because honestly, if
he does ask his opinion on it, then you're right.
And then Bo decides to do it anyways, then that
could be a problem.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
If I don't think Sean spends any time looking at
social media worrying about sort of what's out there.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
So is it conceivable that Bou did this on his own?
I think the answer to that is yes.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
I don't have any evidence, and it would I think
if I had to hazard a guess, I would say
he probably talked to Sean before. But I think it's
I think it's conceivable that Bou could have done that
without talking to Sean.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Nope, you don't believe it. You don't buy it, Huh.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
I'm with Dave that I do believe that bow Nixt
went and talked to Sean Payton before he did.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
If I had to bet, I would bet he did.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
But I'm not certain it's conceivable that he could do
it on his own. I wonder if Sean wanted to
preview it because I think here's here's without saying too much,
I believe that he's actually done a couple things that
Sean hasn't known.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Okay, that's I believe that also.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
But you know what, like, as long as he's playing
at a high level, I mean anything for the fans
and or for Sean, what are you going to say,
like if he if he's showing up to work and
he looks ready to go and he's got he's prepared, and.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Once again, this was an off season thing. This isn't like, hey,
follow me through training caep.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
You're right, that's and that's why I think it might
have been just something that happened. It's not in training camp.
As you said, he didn't have a film crew every
day at practice, he didn't have two massus Massus is
waiting for him after practice. He doesn't have his own
coach in the build. I mean, so there's there's plenty
of differences really just stylistically between bon Nicks and Russell Wilson.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
It's just so soon. That's that's really what it is.
It's just so for the fan base, for the media,
it's just it's just soon.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Well, and I think it's not just Russ.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
I think all the exposures you see from the quarterbacks
out there doing the brand thing have been somewhat toxic.
You can go to Aaron Rodgers. Uh, you look at
you look at at Ross. You know, you look at
the ones that are public, and none of them are
you know, positive.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
You know, but if you're playing at a certain level,
I mean you could overlook it to a certain extent.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
I mean, yeah, you'd be winning. Everything gets positive.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
Aaron Rodgers is hyahuasca sales yematically increased.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Were we going to do that someday on the show Hyawuasca? Listen, man,
my system is so sensitive.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
Yeah, I gotta be in here for that day. If
I listen, I literally could fall out. I could literally
fall out of my child just like ya. Yes, I
mean I could literally. It might not be a good look.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
Hey, we can take you to the chair. I mean,
that's just don't mistake the da for the Hiahuascar.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
My roommate with the Browns in a mini camp was
a really good friend of mine. But he's a little pothead,
just a little just a little one. He was a
little what he was moderately a potead. So you know
it kept like bugging me. I had never ever, ever
ever smoked pot ever I was in the NFL. I

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never smoked. I mean I never did. I said, bro,
I can't. I'm not gonna do that. He goes, you
got to do it. I said, I'm just not going
to do it.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
So but he would.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
He pestered me to the point like I'm either going
to do this or I'm gonna fistpot him.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
And he's not.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
He's too small and he's too good a friend of mine.
So I did it. Nothing happened, I said, I told
you I got a system.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
It's just I'm immune. Do it again?

Speaker 3 (29:34):
Did it nothing? I mean, nothing happened, right, And then
it like no, I'm just saying and I haven't done
it since, but like it was like, no, I didn't
do that.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
I just was like in a coma, and I'm like,
hey man, and I just laid back.

Speaker 5 (29:57):
I just laid back on the bed at the holiday Inn,
and I was paralyzed, like I was still awake, but
my legs, my legs wouldn't work, and my arms wouldn't work.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
And so I laid there and fell asleep and like whatever.
An hour and half later, woke up and I was fine.
I said, you know, that's why I don't do that stuff.
On the next episode of Dave Logan Stoned. Now it's
like I kept saying, it's not it doesn't work. I
work it again, hit it again. It doesn't so like
the whole thing I did. And then because like somebody

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slapped you in the back of the head. So but ayahuashka,
I don't. Would you do it?

Speaker 1 (30:37):
If we're doing this together, I would do it for
the show, just for the fun. I could see it.
You two guys do it for the show.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
I've got to I've got a system. I don't need
to like pass out on the chair like I'm here
for it. I'll do it.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
Well, what are the symptoms, I mean, what are the
characteristics as far as the I mean like a minor hallucination.
It's it's like mushroom type symptoms. Okay, I wouldn't Okay,
what are those? I wouldn't know?

Speaker 3 (31:03):
That nice try was that one night in Reno, just
saying that's uh, that's like you.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
Can go to a pot shot pop shop and buy
high a wild you gotta get it from, you gotta
get it from I bet if we call you a guy.
I bet if we call a guy, I bet if
we call our friend. I got a guy, his name Jake.
Yeah we can definitely, Yeah, we definitely go there. I
was even trying to trouble him. Definitely go there. Yeah,
they call Jake. We're got Charles Robinson from the Sport.

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Let's go