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August 8, 2025 • 35 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Tabby Football Friday.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
I've been waiting a long time, last several months, to
be able to say something like that. Very excited to
be here with you on a beautiful afternoon here in
the Mile High City, Ryan Edwards and Benjamin all Bright
because Dave Logan is on his way to San Francisco
for tomorrow's first preseason game.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
Ben, Hi, how's it going.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
It's good man. I'm excited. I'm excited about football. Last
night we got a chance to watch some games. He
fell asleep somewhere in the fourth quarter of the Seahawks
and Raiders game, and that was the auction Raiders preseason tie.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
But the overhit the over and the Seattle hit well,
yes of us went to it, though I didn't care.
You know, I didn't care. You just needed one? Yes,
so you didn't get the donut I just needed. You're
now at one in five for the week. It's like
doctor Strange holding up my figure.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
I just needed one and four million possibilities.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yeah, that's all I need? Is I need one? So
I didn't hit the donuts. I'm good. Seven's and yes
is a yes? Yeah by math from one and seven.
I don't care.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
She set aside some time to make some rice Arona
tonight San Francisco treat.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Are you gonna do this the whole show? Yes, you shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Never have let me come in in the afternoon on
a Friday. Usually you lab some of these things to
be before the show.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
Imally, I have Tony Ninas to do that with Tony's
Tony hung them up.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
He retired.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
So now you just get the brunt of these jokes,
whether they're funny or not.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Well, it's good to see you either way, is it.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
Well, it's tolerable. There's a bit of a stretch. It
didn't sound very genuine genuine, did it didn't?

Speaker 1 (01:41):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
We'll get to all sorts of fun stuff previewing the game.
It's some Kyle Slaughter sound talking about tanking preseason games.
That's fascinating. Oh, we're gonna have to suck more. I'm
sure he saw. It's like, yeah, the clip we need,
we need you to not play as well as you're
playing right now.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Wow, So we'll get some of that. We got some
sound obviously from practice yesterday. Matt Burrows. We've had Matt
on for years out there in San Francisco with the athletic.
He's going to give us a little preview, and it's
not so much that we need a preview of where
we expecting him for the forty nine Ers. I think
this one's just interesting on so many levels because of
how many ties these two organizations have with each other.

(02:21):
I mean, not to mention the fact that the GM
is in a ring of fame here in Denver, but
Kyle of course part of the Shanahan legacy for the Broncos.
He was ball boy out here. I mean, and then
of course you talk about all the players Hufanga, Mcglenchy,
Drake Greenlaw, DJ Jones.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
I mean, it's cool, there's all sorts of really tough.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
But I'm interested to talk to Matt specifically because i
want to know from him about the story about Drake
green Law, about how they they really went out down
there and they went after him, how big of a
hit that is, losing Talano, Hufanga, what they're viewing this
because we haven't really checked in with a forty nine
Ers since those moves. Yeah, I mean you could tell
the fan base was was plenty disappointed both those players

(03:04):
came here, and it's just it's interesting to me to
watch us try to rent the Uniners defense from three
years ago.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
But you know, I mean it's it's working out for
us so far.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Well, if you're gonna borrow from a team, I mean
we were borrowing so many players from the Norland Saints
for so long.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yeah, I think we're good on that. I think I
feel good there.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
If we're gonna borrow, I'd rather borrow from teams that
are good. That'll be good and then been going to
Super Bowls, those kinds of deals. But I don't know
if you saw some of the betting stuff out there.
Bet MGM posted this up. I guess USA Today ranther Pole.
Last year, I think the Broncos had four wins for
USA Today's poll, and we were all apoplectic here in Denver, like.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
Four wins, are you crazy? Well, the over under at
five and a half was stupid. It was stupid, But
they put that out.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
They do this every year right before the season, they
put out what they think are they gonna.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Be the rating the team's final records.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, and did you see the Broncos I did not
twelve and five and winning the AFC West.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
You know who like over hypes now worried that the
catapult has swung the other way too hard?

Speaker 1 (04:00):
What blanket? All right?

Speaker 3 (04:01):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (04:01):
I just like for e were.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
Sitting here talking about the Broncos to the Super Bowl,
and I'm like, every time they do this for any
other team, it's they wind up having a disaster of
a seat.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
Remember the Eagles dream team? N was that Vince Young?
Vince Young?

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yeah, they brought a nomb be awesome wad you know
at the end of the career. Not all fairness though,
when Vince Young said that, you quite literally knew that
was gonna be the thing that killed them.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah, yeah, that's that's the thing.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Like last year they were clearly underrated, clearly, and then
we knew that going into the thing. You could see
in training camp they had a defense that wasn't gonna
only win five games if the offense bothered to show up, they.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Were going to clear that.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
I don't know, play pop psychologists and put you on
the couch here, But for a moment, Ben, do you
think maybe you're just projecting your own insecurities here on
the democratic childhood?

Speaker 1 (04:54):
But all traces back and.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
All traces back, but you are a guy that likes
to EA even though you have like two hundred and
fifteen thousand followers on Twitter, and you tend to be
very outward with things.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
You also like to be underestimated. I'd love to be underestimated.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
So I'm starting to think part of your gripe here
is that the Broncos no longer align with you.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Maybe you should go back to being a Chiefs fan.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
Yeah, most most people already think they're a super Bowl contender,
So I don't know how I would be they would
be underestimated at that point, Well, they are right now
comparatively speaking. If you don't know, the dynasty has just ended,
it's just the way Tom Brady was needed to retire
in twenty thirteen.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
You know you were playing video games earlier. The dynasty
is over for the Chiefs. This has been announced.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
I missed the memo. I'm letting you know. It's it's
all over Twitter.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
Okay, Yeah, I don't pay I leave now.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
I don't even pay attention to Twitter anymore.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
I personally think that's laughable what you just said there.
Also that the Chiefs are done that that part, it's
kind of like they said with the Patriots for just
so many years, like and then they start the season
and they.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
Struggled, like I told you? Who told you?

Speaker 2 (06:08):
And then they're back in the super Bowl again. Yeah,
the Chiefs are going to be good again this year.
In fact, they might even be better than they were
last year because they are going to have Racie Rice back,
Hollywood Brown.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
They might. I don't know. I had to swin a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
I don't know if their offensive line is going to
be technically better because they did lose guys there. But
we'll see with Simmons, their first round draft picks supposed
to look decent in game so far, and we'll see that.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Charges of course, are already a bad way with the
race on Slater.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
Yeah, that's you hate to see that later of course,
you know it's just kind of tied in here a
little bit to Colorado, So you know, you hate to
see that. It does, you know, ostensibly make things easier
for the never Broncos.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Hate for it to be easier that way. No, it's
a big hit. It's a big hit. Is in you
watching Last Night with the Raiders?

Speaker 3 (06:52):
Just for a second somewhere dove Clean is saying, well,
at least his wife doesn't have to take.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Care or you know, do you see that I did
not see that. So his his when he got divor.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
Dove Cleanan posted something about the team waiting to give
him a contract until after his divorce, so shoting me yeah,
which was not true, and then his wife got on there.
It's like, I'm Ray Shawn's bigges supporter. He doesn't need
to give me a dime of that money. He earned
it himself and stuff like that. But the fake person
who runs the dove Cleanan account was was trying to
pretend that the Chargers had waited to extend him so
he wouldn't have to pay.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
His ex wife part of the alimony or whatever. Block
that account years ago. The worst, terrible, Yeah, it's the worst.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Did that one the mL football? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (07:28):
Well, the guy who runs the dove cleman O case,
he isn't even the original guy I ran it. The
guy who runs it's the same guy runs Antonio Browns account.
And Thanel Brown does not tweet out of Antonio Brown's account.
He hasn't had control of his account for years. It's
some white guy down in Florida. So last night with
the Raiders played the Seahawks, a lot of people are
coming after Ashton Jenny because he had three harries for
negative one yard.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Dead offensive line. Did you see that line like blocking? Well,
I'm using the term blocking. They stood there.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
They were in front of him, ostensibly intensively, but.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
A lot of people were punning.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
He's like, well, this is what we tried to tell you, guys.
You know, Boise State played against whoever and having all
that success doesn't necessarily mean that you're playing against NFL
caliber teams. Now that Ashton Jenny's gonna I still think
Ashton Jenny's a good running back, but maybe he is
not going to be the future Hall of Famer that.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
And honestly the best running back out. Hold on, you said,
you guys, you people, I was.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
The one sitting here saying the breaks out Jenny might
not even be the best running back in the class.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
What did you You just tweets?

Speaker 2 (08:29):
The tweets are all out there to step aside and say, look, listen,
I never liked Ashton Jenny.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
I didn't say I didn't like him. I said he
wasn't the best running back in the class.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Keep that same energy. You will keep that keep that
energy and remind you of it on the daily. So
you think he's a bus.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
No, I just don't think he's the best running back
in this class.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
I think a Marin Hampton is. John Payton disagreed with you.
Sean Payton could disagree all he wants.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
Jean Payton thought a little Jordan Humphrey was the future stunt.
He liked his work as he had nothing Garret Grayson
NFL caliber quarterbacks. You are high and you can't possibly
you say that the straight face in this room.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
This is nonsense. He never said it.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
If he liked that, drafted him. He likes the little
Jordan Humphrey for his work ethic. He has an eye
for talent and receiver. By the way, I don't know
Marcus Callaway was the truth. T R o o F
did a pretty good job with Marcus Coulston, didn't he?
No Colston.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
He got lucky with the kid from Hofstra. I'm just
messing with you. Have it for three hours, yeah, be
compative for three hours?

Speaker 3 (09:33):
God?

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah, Well, are you going to actually argue points on
things I'm saying?

Speaker 3 (09:38):
Or are you gonna argue points based on what right
ewarts to move the goalpost? Every time asked?

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Jenny wasn't even the best running back from Boise State
on the field last night. Yeah, how about that? About that?
That guy was your pipe.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
He looks great once against Seattle. Actually knows how to
run the ball. Well, hey, Koobiac offense, you know how
it is. But I was impressed by it. I was
watching him, was like, oh oh, this guy's got a
little something.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yolo.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Drew Locke out there, Well, we saw the best and
the worst. It was.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
It was he was both locked handloaded. You know you
saw that that airmailed interceptions. You're like, oh my, Andrew,
what are you doing? You know you saw some of
the good, some of the bad. It's it's what it
is with Drew. You you know, hit a couple of.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Nice drives in there. I mean the touchdown d after halftime.
I had Jay Cutler, you.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
Know, he's there's some of those that you're like yes,
and there's someone's like what are you doing? What are
you doing? That was your guy? Hey, he was my guy.
This last Drew somber to remember when he took the
Giants out of the conversation by beating up on the Colts.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
Did the remember that game?

Speaker 3 (10:37):
Well?

Speaker 1 (10:37):
I was like, where is why.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
Is Drew Locke only turned it on in December five
to January, like the last four games of the season.
He just turns it on five touchdowns, kicked the Giants
out of the first overall. Tick just absolutely destroyed the
Colts in that game, who had everything to play for.
He told her soul he prayed through for like was
like four hundred yards or something like that, like five touchdowns.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
Did you recommission the half centaur after that? Yeah, we
had to.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
Send it up there to to New York and they
promptly rejected it because they missed out on Travis Hunter.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
Oh man.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
Actually, you know one thing I did missed from BCT
days was doing the centaur bitl Centaur outside of power Field.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yes, that was an all time great. That was pretty good.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Well anyways, yeah, last night to see first of all
the Raiders who were in the Vision, they got they
have a good receiving corps.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
I will I will do that. I'm telling you that
the guys.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
They got, yea well, Thornton Thorton will got one catching
it but I like him.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
And then of course they got Brock Bowers who you know,
Jakobe Myers Myers and uh Jack betch Yeah, and they
added the time him a lot out of hand. The
former quarterback who's kind of a gadget to it all guy. Yeah,
they got they got some some receivers. That's that's not
gonna be a pushover team. But they have a terrible
secondary and they shift out one of their their best
secondary players to.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
Eagles because they need to get stronger on the d line. Yeah.
I don't know it's gonna matter.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
I mean, the Raiders are They're not going to be
a joke like they used to be, but they're come on,
they're the worst team in the division.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
I mean you saw it, Like, come on, where's that?
Where's that? What's that doufist sits on Fox Sports? The
guy used to be in Kansas City?

Speaker 3 (12:12):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Nick?

Speaker 3 (12:13):
Wrong?

Speaker 1 (12:13):
Oh yeah yeah, Nick, No, it's wrong.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
Yeah that that guy talking about the Raiders are gonna
make the playoffs and the Broncos they're finishing last in
the division. I'm like, man, what are the Broncos firing
the whole team and playing with a with a replacement squad?

Speaker 1 (12:28):
He doesn't he doesn't hit very often, does he? Guy's
an idiot. You're a little deer more protect wouldn't I
got bet him ten grand?

Speaker 3 (12:36):
Like I was like, hey, man, ten Grand says that
doesn't happen, and of course he wouldn't take it because
he doesn't believe anything. He's a Chiefs fan. Yeah, but
I mean, of course he doesn't believe anything.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
He's saying. It's all for engagements.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
Rage bait text line five six six nine zero Carrett
Grayson drop God bless Ryan and Ben.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Oh look I do what.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
I can, guys, Uh six four sixpence About time to
admit you were wrong on.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Peyton, wrong about what?

Speaker 3 (12:58):
Yeah, come on, come on, wrong about But this is
an everything.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
That I told you that he was he is. So
this is an intervention.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
Grand I see after this season, if he you know,
they would a playoff game, then we'll say, but this
is three seasons, so this is the decider. Oh so
we're still moving goalposts.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
No, it's a three.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
We always grade on three years, just like draft classes.
Where is it written? We always grade on three years.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
And the Bible up beIN right over there.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
Okay, I was gonna say, like I'm looking at into
the walls ears this kow news talk sports.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
He fifty common spirits. You know, there's I see the.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Great question list thing up here, but I do not
see anywhere that we grade after three years.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
We give it time to do it. Were great coaches
after three years, we great draft classes. After three years
we grade. You know, that's what we do.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
We give it time.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
We don't do two years, we don't do one year. Well,
then let's play that out for so Nate Hackett, we
only need part of one year.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
We're good.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
Well, he need one game with the guys. At the point,
you guys will yeah, fresh young offensive mind. We've best
tell him Dad Quinn for that. Hold on, still mad,
I have owned that portion.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
I'm not saying you haven't. I'm just I'm still mad
about that.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
Though. You guys are a picker with me. I don't
want to retread. You're what happens the very next year
we got to retread. You guys are happy you're.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
Moving the goal post now.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
I never moved the goalpost on Nathaniel Hockett, I said
I was wrong. In fact, the goal post, I'll kicking
it between the uprights. After the first game was the
oh no moment.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
Right at the end the whole game. You had a
case of the tight cheeks.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
But then the decision came down to kick a record
setting field goal at sea level instead of letting the quarterback.
You just invested how many millions of dollars try to
go for four yards on fourth down?

Speaker 1 (14:37):
Somebody's got to win this game, and it wasn't us.
It was not us.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
I'll never forget Shelby celebrating that game. Oh, I know,
we still we got to have that audio somewhere. I'm
sure he's somewhere. And the fact is is, I give him.
We replay that Marvin Min's touchdown a lot when he's
in the studio. I don't bring up that Seahawks game ever,
because I just don't want to.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Deal with country. Let's hide. Yeah, no doubt so.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
After three years. So let's let's play this out for
just a second. So the Broncos they make postseason, they
win a postseason game. What will been Albright be saying
about Sean Payton.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
I mean, I've always said the same thing.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
I've always said that he's a good coach, but he
only won one super Bowl with Breeze, only got to
one super Bowl with Breeze. Although, to be fair to him,
which I pointed out the other day, the Nicole will
be Coleman thing. I'm not giving him that Minnesota stuff,
but that Nicole will be Coleman thing like, dude, you
got jobbed by the refs there. That was no fault
to your own, no fault to the players. You know
that that one. So he probably should have at least

(15:36):
made two Super Bowls. But again, I mean, look, where
do we put Mike McCarthy, a guy who won only
one Super Bowl?

Speaker 1 (15:42):
Aaron Rodgers?

Speaker 3 (15:43):
You know, I think Sean Payton is a guy who
raises the floor wherever he goes, you know, I mean
the Saints were a mora bund organization. Although to be
fair to them, Jim Haslett had really stocked that roster
and then the year before Shawn got there, they'd have
the spate of injuries that tanked him. But Jim Haslet
had had to pre built the roster a little bit there.
It's a lot of words to say that you were wrong.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
I'm I'm not. I don't think that.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
I am chan Paige is a good coach, and in
order to be a great one, he's going to have
to do something nobody else has ever done, and that's
we had a Super Bowl with two different franchises. And
if he comes in here and does that, you're That's
the first thing I'll do is sleapt the greatness title
of him, because nobody's done it.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Right.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
There have been coaches that have been to nobody super
Bowls with different teams, guys like my Congrin, you know,
but there has not been somebody who has won with
multiple teams. And if he does that, I'll absolutely slapt it.
He will not make the Hall of Fame unless he
does that. I'll put it to you that way. Mmmm,
you can't. You can't have one super Bowl with the
Hall of Fame quarterback.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
No, You're probably right. You gotta have two. I mean,
even when you got guys.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
Like Shanahan and Tom Coffin who aren't in, you can't
put a Sean Payton and ahead of those guys. And
those guys aren't in. And I struggled to get him,
which is stupid.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
I'll say like this, I think you have a great point,
which is very miserable for me to say.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
Now I feel like I'm Dave right. Dave's like, oh god,
I'm gonna say you have a good point. You point there.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
But if he turns bo Nicks into as he thinks
is going to be a top five quarterback in the league,
and let's just say you have.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
A great eye for for drafting that quarterback. Well, I
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
I'm just good on you from a public perspective, not
your slanted perspective. From a public perspective, there might be
a little more of like man Sean Sean, it wasn't
just working with.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
Drew berwy to a top five quarterback and doesn't get
a Super Bowl. The same questions exist. Well, but you
might have yeah, thank you if you get If you
have a top five quarter of this defense and a
top five quarterback and you're not getting a Super.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
Bowl, what was the problem.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Well, but I mean we looked at the forty nine
ers for example, right, and they've made two Super Bowls, like.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
Three NFC championship games with Jimmy Garoppolo and Brock Perty
That's you're missing my points.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
My point is is is Kyle Shanahan is considered a
very good coach in the NFL because he took those offenses.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
There with those quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Certainly we look at it and say, you haven't been
able to close, but he would find a job in
a moment. He is considered a very good, if not
one of the league coaches, A good coach. My point
of it is.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
Is that the perception of a coach isn't just winning
the championship, is to sustain success. To where do you
put John Fox? Because that's the tier that I put
Sean Payton on. John Fox has been more Super Bowls.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
You can't set Payton.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
You can't possibly believe that the acumen of what Sean
Payton does on his side of the ball versus what
John Fox doing. John Fox is a good manager of people.
He's a good defensive mind, but he's not an elite
defensive mind.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
John one with an expansion franchise in the Carolina Pantwell
it was an expansion, it was after George Seyffert, but
still might as well have been. And then one with
the Broncos after Josh McDaniels had run him into the ground.
This one I got a new nicknamed for Ben on
his takes wide right Albright.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
Just to butt outside. I mean, I'm not wrong. Well
you you could say that, but you are. I'm literally not.
The fact that you just put.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
John Fox and Sean Payton in the same shot.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
What has Sean Payton done that John Fox hasn't Championship
one one? John Fox has been to two of them.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
By your own metric.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
You I'm gonna tear hair outs. You can't even say,
don't do that. I know I only have so much
by your own metric. You just talked about it. How
the difference of winning and what difference of being there
between the elite and good? Is winning the winning multiple championships. Yeah,
and that's the thing. Like Mike McCarthy has one Super Bowl,
John Fox has been to two. Those guys are all

(19:26):
in the same tier. It sucks because they like you
don't want to say that, but you know, end of
the day, somebody said, did this guy steal your girlfriend?

Speaker 1 (19:35):
Ben?

Speaker 3 (19:38):
No, it's not that, And this isn't even an I
get how you're painting. This is a knock on Sean
pay It's not a knock on Sean Payton. It's not
a knock on Mike McCarthy, it's not a knock.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
On Shohn Fox. You're good coaches.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
But at the end of the day, there's something that's
separating them from the Hall of Fame, and it's sustained
success doing that, sustained elite level success, doing it more
than once. I just don't want to see a Josh
McDaniel's Peyton what's his name? Situation ever again? Reship the
full back out well Peyton hillis Yeah, yeah, allegedly, am

(20:11):
I Peyton hillis?

Speaker 1 (20:12):
In this situation? You are pay not to get shipped out. Yeah,
I get to cover mat. It'll be fine. We're off
rolling here on a football Friday. Hey.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
By the way, we're gonna have coverage tomorrow starting at
three o'clock right here on KOA. Very excited for the
first preseason game. Also catch tomorrow's game. Tomorrow's Broncos game
with Benjamin Albright at burn Down, Denver off Broadway from
six thirty to eight thirty and it to win a
Broncos Raiders trip in Vegas. It's all presented by Arta Tequila,
the official tequila of the Denver Broncos. We're off and

(20:41):
rolling here on Friday. Very excited to be with you.
Five six six nine zeros a ka Common Spirit health
text line. If you want to interact with the show,
we'll come back. We'll hear from more sound there. There
is something that is brewing with the Broncos. It could
be a bit problematic. Been is referenced it before, but
we'll take a deeper dive coming up next.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
No, he does.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
He is.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
He does because it's not just what he did as
a head coach, it's also as an assistant. See like,
that's that's where you and I disagree on this is
because it's kind.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Of about the arians head coach resume elite.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Could you write the history of the NFL without Bruce
Harians Probably not?

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Yeah, no, you can't. Not not. The work he's done
on multiple fronts between what he did is a very
successful coach.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
And that's that's what the point that I'm getting at
is that it is not a pejorative to say that
Sean Payton is a good coach.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
It's not.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
But it's also you know, I see in the era
of hot takeery, he either has to be good or bad. No,
he can you know he's a great elite or bad?
And no, how about the eighty percent in the middle
where you know he's a very good coach. He raises
the tide on any franchise he's on, same as Bruce Harians,
same as Jim Harball.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
But I would not put in any of those guys
in the whole thing right now.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
And Jim Harball and Sean Payton the same number of
Super Bowls Harball's got a better winning percentage.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
We go round and around on this.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
I don't think we didn't necessarily to argue, but I'll
put it like this.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
We both agree that Mike Shanahan the Hall of Fame,
the fame. Anybody who won two Super Bowls belongs in
the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
And you heard a little bit there with Rob and
we'll have in the pregames soon's he had a chance
to chat with Mike Shanahan.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
So looking forward to that interview, we found some common ground.
Did we top gun is an American treasure? I can
ruin this for you.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
No, not Nope, not taking the bank today, Satan five
six six nine zeros a KOI commiserate, no't text line nope,
not doing it. Not doing it.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
There is a concern with the Broncos and it's something
that you've highlighted. You highlighted it earlier this week with
Dave and I and then I really showed up yesterday
and from all the stories I was getting out there
from San Francisco on the joint practice, the Broncos interior
offensive line is something that might need to be looked at.

(22:57):
And it's not a Quentin Minors problem. It's not maybe
not even a bin Powers problem.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
Although he needs to do better for the money he's paid,
which really leaves one player left now with Luke Wadenberg.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
I don't know what your other option is.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
I don't I don't think Alex Forsyth is quite ready, right,
but that would be the other guy, right, I'll say
that now, I'll stop all that nonsense, because there was
somebody out there trying to float to the Clay Webb
was going to be the guy.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
That's not that's not right. It's not ready for that.
So if you made sure his web, I think he
moved to guard. Actually he did get moved to card
so that I was actually somewhere in camp. But yeah,
he's Jill Mikowsky I think is the third that's correct.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
Center. Now, that's correct.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
So you don't have another option besides Alex Forsyth. So
for you, from what you're hearing, what you've seen with
your own eyes, how significant is an issue with this?
And then the other part of this is what would
you do?

Speaker 1 (23:49):
Well? It's an eye opener for sure.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
I think he has the same issue that Lloyd Kushienberry
did early in his tenure.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
Now Lloyd got.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
Stronger as as it went a law, but Wattenberg kind
of has a functional strength issue and the Niners were
getting pressure up the middle off of him in that practice.
Mainly it's six healthy bodies across that entire and they
were on four man front. I mean, it's eye opening
and people are gonna be able to get pressure on
bow up the gaps.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
That's a problem right now.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
Bo's got a little mobility, so that'll help, you know,
and he can move a little bit that'll help mitigate
some of that. It's not like it's Peyton Manning where
if you've got pressure up the a gaps you were doomed.
But it is something to keep your eye on. Is
you've got a very highly paid offensive line and all
these rating services are saying it's the best offensive line
in football and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
You know, I think it's.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
Something you've got to pay attention to, and you have
to know and feel confident that you've got that handled
because if you don't, teams are going.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
To pick up on it real quick and they're going
to tee off on it.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
Because you can't be a functionally good, if not great,
offensive line with a week leak especially at center. Right,
you really can't be at any but you can kind
of hide maybe a guard. You can't really how to
tackle in this NFL, right, both do you have ed
rushers all the sides that are great?

Speaker 1 (25:02):
Yeah, so you can't really hide any of them.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
But if there was one that you could kind of
get away with is maybe a guard. But the fact is,
if it's your center, that that could be significant. Now
why so you have to sort of ask that that
next question. Now you've gone through a bit of a
philosophical change on the offensive line.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
Is he struggling with the wide zone?

Speaker 2 (25:22):
It shouldn't seem like he would because it kind of
feels like it would fits him. But maybe there's something
to that, the philosophical change on the offensive line, because
it's not like he was a terrible player. Like we
didn't talk every week last year about the biggest issue
with this team is Luke Wattenberg at center.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
So I don't know what changed.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
The only thing that I can surmise as well, the
philosophical differences of what they're doing now inside that building
with the coaching is maybe messing with him a little bit.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
Well, I mean, there were times where you couldn't get
pushed for the running game with the offensive line. Some
of it was Javonte not seeing a cutbacklings, but some
of it was pushed, you know, And honestly, Wattenberg was
a part of that.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
So we didn't highlight it a bunch last year.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
And to be fair, interior offensive line is not talked
about on these kinds of shows very much, right, You
know why because the tackles and the sacks usually come
from the outside. He had rushers, and people don't know
really how to talk about offensive line. Layman usually don't
know how to talk about offensive line right, specifically on
the interior. That's said, And I'm not trying to tell
anybody's intelligence. I'm just saying it just isn't that's said,

(26:28):
you know. I mean, he was the weak link on
the unit last year. It just didn't get talked about
that much. Well, now as you're as this team is
getting better and there are expectations and everything else, everything
comes into hyper focus and you start to see, well,
you know, maybe we don't have all the pass catchers,
or they're young, we have a first year quarterback. The
run game, Well, they've addressed all those things and so

(26:50):
now the focus is dialing down on what is making
this offense not work, and the center position needs to
get better. Somebody's asking if they could swished Nick r
Julia to center. I don't think that the what they
met him as.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
They don't. They've got him as a guard. I mean,
he's played center before, but they've got him as a guard.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
I just don't think that any of those guys are
There's nobody there besides Forsyth that's really given you any
push for that position.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
I like Forsyth in the run game, like just played
center before. Well, of course he has, and I remember
us having going round around on BCT about that when
they drafted him, he got some flexibility. He got a
chance to play some center out of the Senior Bowl.
Looks great in fact, I'd say, but the fact that
he did it so well there helps his draft stock
in the day two. But I think they view him
and his ability to pull at the guard position more

(27:35):
highly than that, and they want to mess with that.
But if you get desperate, you might have to look
at that. I wouldn't mess with that. Mean, he's an
all pro at his position, right, I mean, he's considered
one of the best offensive linemen in the game at
right guard. It just in general actually, but then also
right guard. I wouldn't want to. I wouldn't want to
mess with Quinton minors if I couldn't, if I could
avoid it. I believe that you would start Forsyth before

(27:56):
you'd move Minors over.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
I think if you know.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
A disaster scenario, maybe you're doing that and you're looking
to see if you know Pert rock Morton or guard.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Julio can play guard. Uh Pert is mostly a tackle,
but he has played guard before.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
Trock Morton. Throck Morton, you know, is theoretically you still
have Will Sherman. But you don't want to be You're
two weeks into camp. You don't want to be pulling
the trigger on.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Something like that.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
This is something like, again, we don't want to hit
the panic button here or anything like that. But it
is a glaring sort of thing on a team that
has just about shoring up everything else.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
That's it well and so as we and that's why
it's so startling. When I was getting a chance to
do some deep dive into what happened out at camp yesterday,
and you know, you know some of the texts that
I you know, I don't yesterday, right, And so it's
it's not to say that it was just you.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
I've heard it from several people.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
And so then you start to go, Okay, well, gosh,
of all the weaknesses you want to have pop up
before the season starts, this is a pretty significant one, right.
I mean, it's not an injury, right, and we're not
talking about losing your left tackle like the trial.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Don't think this is just pop it up? Though.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
I think this has been a thing and it got
glossed over because of everything else.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
On that right. That blows my mind because as much
time as front offices and coaching staff spend on getting
into the minutia on every single player and what they're
going to try to do, how could this pot it
couldn't couldn't have been overlooked, That's my point.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
I think it was. It's not an overlooked kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
So, but you didn't really address it in the off season.
Another bringing a college free agents and what were you going?

Speaker 1 (29:22):
What were you gonna do?

Speaker 3 (29:23):
Though?

Speaker 1 (29:23):
Like when were you going to draft one? You had?

Speaker 3 (29:25):
You knew you had things you had to get. You
had to get another ex receiver because you hadn't signed
you need to leverage. But you didn't even take an
offensive line in the draft. You right, but you needed
you needed that. You knew you needed a tight end.
They got a project out of that. You knew you
need another defensive end for the John Franklin meers you
know situation.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
You obviously knew you needed another corner based on conversations
that he's had about the slot corner position date from
last year.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
And you knew you needed a running back. You continue to,
you know, need those kinds of things. And when Baron
fell in your lap and you didn't trade backwards to
multiply picks, the opportunity to get a center was pretty
much gone.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
So he's asking web can play center. Yes, but he has,
but he's not.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
He's not ready for that.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
He's I mean, we've seen they had Web at centered
in the off season, like I remember that, But now
he's been a guard. I I moved him back to
guard when I switched to guard, but he's been a guard.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
Yeah, he's not. He's not ready.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
I'll just put it to you that way, like if
if Clay Webb is playing center for you, something disastrous
has happened.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Yeah, really, the only option right now is foresights unless
you see some veteran cut around, cutdown. But again, that's
like right before the season starts, you really want to
like go, okay, hey, our center position is that desperate
that we're going to street waivers to try to sign
a guy a vet out there? Now you could add
somebody as insurance. That could be an option. And I
don't even know if this is a nuclear situation where

(30:44):
you do need to blow it up. I don't even
feel that way about it, but it seems like an
issue that confester that's all.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
Yeah, It's just one of those things where that's something
I'm really going to have my eye on in that
Niners game, is what both Lattenberg and Forsyth are doing
out there, because that's something that this practiced opened.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
An eyeball about. Let's get this more.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
I got one specifically that are very much looking forward
to seeing how he does in his first preseason game.
We'll get to that here at the top of the hour.
But a lot of texts coming in on the text
line five six, six nine zero, so keep those coming.
We'll do our best to answer those slash interact to
the best we can. Again tomorrow Our cover starts at
three o'clock.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
Did you get a note?

Speaker 2 (31:30):
A moment ago the Christmas Day NBA schedules came out
and the Nuggets will be hosting the Minnesota Timberwolves.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
So, as dude, how many people are showing up to
a Nuggets game on Christmas night while the Broncos are
playing the Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
Yeah, and the Broncos, of course, as we know, are
in Kansas City. Take it on the Chiefs on Thursday night.
There will be nobody in that arena. Well, I mean
there's a lot of Nuggets fans. I'm not saying there's not.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
I'm just saying people will probably be, you know, with
their families and also watching the Broncos listening to the
Monkey Away with Dave Logan, Rickulous and Sissy Writson with
a pregame by yourself and myself.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
I think the more appropriate thing will be how many
of them will be watching the Nuggets and then have
their phone like on their lap radio on the Yeah,
on the iHeartRadio app with.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
The free and redesigned let you have in your car.
So I yelled stocked and I threw it up for you.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
Yeah, you yelled horn sack and stood by and watched it,
sail Pass.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
I'm just not used to you setting me up for
anything that's you know, most of the time, it's just
a black hole.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
I just I just depositive garbage.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
No, I I hear your point. Broncos are obviously still
number one. I think Nuggets. Listen, Nuggets Temperwolves is awesome,
Like that's that is a great rivalry right now. So
that's a game that I think a lot of people
will care about, but in comparison to the Broncos and Chiefs,
and that game specifically could have massive implications, especially if

(33:00):
USA Today is correct and the Broncos are going to
go twelve and five.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
I looked at that thing during the break, like those guys,
I don't think I agree with a single premise that
they had other than the Saints being like two and
fifteen and I'm not sure they're gonna win two games.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Is everything you do about confirmation bias? Like quite literally
everything I said. I don't agree with the USA Today thing.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
I know, but then you saw something on there You're like, well,
but I think that's the time.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
I mean, I tried to give them some props that
they that they dogged the Saints at two and fifteen.
I tried to give them something, yeah, but part of
a bread crumb. I just think they're a little high
on the wind total for the Saints at two.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
A couple of texts here.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
How much do you coaches collaborate during joint practices, like
a Sean Payton giving Kyle notes on what he thinks
the forty nine ers could do better? Or is the
collaboration just what they're going to do for the practice
and that's it?

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Mostly what they're gonna do for the practice.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
Well, yeah, so both the coaches get together and like, hey,
we want to see this. I want to say, what
do you want me to do? What do you want
me to have the defense do? So you can work
on this. I'd like you to do these things, so
we can work on this. Throw some surprises in there.
They don't really there's not really a coaching up the
other team portion or any of that kind of stuff.
But you do get some collaboration in the sense that

(34:08):
they both want to have mutually beneficial practices, so they
kind of ask each other what they want to see
offense defense, you know, so that we can tailor the
practice to that.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
So you can get what you need out of it. Yeah,
it is collaborative.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
One thing I was listening to with Mike McGlinchey on
his press conference and he said that he was excited
because for the offense, they don't have his scripted looks
coming their way, so there's a lot more of compete
in the moment now the script out the design of
what they're Hey, we're going to do a minute and
a half starting from our own forty and we're going
to do move the ball like those are the kind

(34:40):
of scripted things, but you don't know what the defense
is going to throw you simultaneously, what the offense is
going to do in those moments, So there's a little
bit of that where you're and you don't want to
get away too much simultaneously, right because simply you're putting
things out there just to test a few ideas. But
he said that there is a more benefit for the
offense in this practice because it wasn't a we're going

(35:02):
to run the ball period of practice, which means the
defense knows you're running the ball and they're basically putting
their ears back to just have gap discipline.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
Yeah, all of this is to try to I mean
these practices are not to try to win the practice.
They're there to You're there to try to improve your guys,
and you want them practicing against different players than they've
been up against for the last couple of weeks, so
they're playing the technique instead of the man.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
All right, we'll come back.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
I'm gonna tell you the player that I'm most excited
to see tomorrow and get Ben's take on that.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
We'll do that next
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