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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Nick Fergus in his studio with me. What's up, Nick?
Speaker 2 (00:02):
What's going on?
Speaker 3 (00:03):
Man?
Speaker 4 (00:03):
Why do you say that? That would be nice to say?
As though I don't say nice things.
Speaker 5 (00:08):
You say nice things plenty interesting. What I wondered though,
and a lot of a lot of our listeners speculated on,
is that the reason you were gone this last week
is because you had such a horrid take on the Rockies,
like you were rounding the bases, spike in the football.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Whatever, whatever. Do you really want to do that?
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Do you want to do nothing?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
And they came back and won that.
Speaker 6 (00:34):
Game, and then you ducked us, so you ducked the show.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
See, Dave is not on social media.
Speaker 6 (00:42):
It was such a bad take. You had to disappear.
See I came to you. I went right to the
horse's mouth and you and.
Speaker 7 (00:49):
I had I'm not on social media, I'm I'm I'm
on plenty. He's constantly on Twitter. Okay, you're right, that's interesting.
Before Yeah, you just you don't know handle.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Yeah, he's got he's got burners.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Oh, please give me the hand. No, I ain't doing
it on the air.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Okay, do do it off there because I want to
see you get the shout out to me, of course,
and I'm going to include you in some of these
conversations that.
Speaker 7 (01:14):
Well, no, in that case, okay, you out in that case.
I don't need to be included in any conversation that
that you have with Ryan.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
What Ryan is trying to do, He's trying to pin
me down on this conversation.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
The Rocky was playing last.
Speaker 8 (01:29):
Week and they were down big or nothing the first
in and I would remember exactly and I kind of tuned.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
Out, No, no, no, you did not, You did not,
because you immediately get me up like, oh look.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
At this, just fass up.
Speaker 7 (01:42):
You was talking smack, and a reasonable person would have
as well when they were when you're the team you
placed a wager on, was up nine to nothing, and
then Rockies come back and win eighteen seventeen.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Well like after the fifth inning, I was just like, oh,
I'm out. You know, this is what netflix right exactly,
And all of a sudden they came back and then
uh naturally Ryan leaped his head out of the whole
course and he hey, what was that? So I was like,
you know what, They still did the same thing that
I anticipated, but bravo, they did a good job.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
And then move fast forward and now they've lost seven
in a row. Okay, I mean that's nothing the defense
rest whoa, I'm going home, mama.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
That's regardless of a video.
Speaker 6 (02:29):
It's just you disappeared for a week after that take.
Speaker 7 (02:33):
You know, I'm so glad high school football season started.
I can get the hell up out of here. Three
forty five.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
What's up.
Speaker 7 (02:38):
Yes, it's good to see it. Good see you guys too.
You know, I'm just kidding. I mean, I'm not really kidding,
but you know there's a little bit of you. You're
gonna miss us. You look at his face. Yeah, ok
pol definitely, definitely.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
I'm gonna miss so much you guys, absolutely, well did
you find out? Really? What? What?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
What?
Speaker 7 (03:00):
What's the fourteen things that Sean was pissed about? Because
I think that should be the lead, the lead of
the show.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
I'm glad you asked.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
And in case people missed it, here's what Sean Payton
after a thirty to nine victory on the road.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
This is what he said.
Speaker 9 (03:14):
There's some mistakes that are going to happen, but it's
the pre snap, it's the illegal man downfield. There's a
handful of these things that those have to be cleaned
up like tomorrow. And it's not just the players that
you know, this is the first road trip for us,
and you know, I've got fourteen things written down that
(03:35):
I'm pissed off about that have nothing to.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Do with the game.
Speaker 9 (03:39):
And so that's part of the debrief too, And so
the willingness of the player, employee, all of us to
accept and make those corrections I think.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Are important, the player, the employee.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
I'm sorry, I mean fourteen things that had nothing to
do with the game. So only thing that I can
think about the hotel, the food, the bus ride, the
plane ride, I mean the plane being delayed, right, and.
Speaker 7 (04:11):
Sometimes about that because we are supposed we are supposed
to talk about stuff that happens. We've got listen, we
get the look of death and the email. We can't
talk about anything that happens on a trip like and
then there's a dot which I think.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Is a period.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Okay, well, I'm sorry, Well you got sources. I'm not
going to go into that source of things. It just
happened to come my way. Uh huh, right, okay, And
the fourteen things coming up, So I'm listening to the
things that could be a probability.
Speaker 7 (04:46):
You know what, I don't have any idea what those
things are. If I had, if I had to hazard
a guess, because I have no I what they could be,
I would say what Nick said.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I would say, I mean, generally speaking, if.
Speaker 7 (05:08):
It's assed out possibility, yeah, if you travel generally speaking,
I mean, I'll give you an example.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
So Rick and.
Speaker 7 (05:14):
I left on Friday to catch up with the Broncos.
We were flying to San Jose because the hotel was
in San Jose and that the Broncos were staying at.
And flight that was supposed to leave at ten forty
five am so you can get there. You know, you
figure whatever A forty five wound up leaving at ten
(05:38):
to four. Oh. So you know you're in trouble when
you have delays that allow you to eat not once,
but twice at the airport. So that's but that has
nothing to do with with Sean's list of fourteen. But
I would say, Nick, to your point that you know,
playing delays of any kind would be upsetting for those
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who might be on the plane.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Is it similar to like a fourteen point it's action
when it comes to your vehicle.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
That type of concept could be could be.
Speaker 7 (06:13):
I would say that if you went somewhere I mean
generally speaking, and.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
There on the night before you had like.
Speaker 7 (06:24):
A big event the next day, maybe maybe there's a
wedding and you want to the bride wants to look.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Fresh, and you you you then found out that there
was roadways that were blocked off because they were having
a huge I don't know this thing.
Speaker 7 (06:47):
Cause maybe jazz fest okay, yep, and the jazz fest,
as most jazz fests do fellas the jazz fest, I
mean hypothetically might play till I don't know, one thirty
in the morning, and and and a lot of times
in various hotels, some hotels that are maybe a little
(07:08):
bit older, or I've heard you're able to hear like
really well through the walls.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Interesting till one thirty in the morning, I.
Speaker 7 (07:18):
Mean till one thirty in the morning, if you've got
to if you've got a wedding the next day, the
bride wants to be fresh.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, So.
Speaker 7 (07:26):
That that'd be something that if that happened to me,
I'd probably.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
It sounds like something like my playing days. It was rumored.
We never could really prove it, but it was rumored.
When you when we played in Oakland that Al Davis
somehow had people in the hotel on the pay.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Road and a microphone in the in the in the room. Well,
I didn't hear about that. That makes things my interesting
in the locker room of y'all. Wow, that just adds.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
To the ten four hat theory. But it was pulling
up of a along, you know, just kind of fire along.
It's kind of you know, making you a little destraught,
you look pooring it, and they were hoping that maybe
that would play to their benefits. So, I mean, I
could see something like that happening and orchestrating. But what
you're talking about as far as a.
Speaker 7 (08:17):
Concert, I mean, I'm saying if that happened, it happened
you were on a trip and there was an important
event the next day, like a wedding, then you can't play.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
You can't plan for things like that.
Speaker 7 (08:29):
Well, the moment you should, well you probably you probably,
I mean somebody would have known that there was a
jazz fest like playing the night before your wedding the
next day, and the jazz fest was gonna checking that.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
It was checking for a jazz fest. You're just trying
to get the venue right. You're just trying to make
sure everyone gets to the venio.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Onel. You played in the league. What's wrong with you?
You played in the league.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
You're so wrong on this, and you know you're wrong
on it. You're you can't.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
I have no idea what you're talking to. Details or important? Man.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Hey, the towels or the towels story.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
That's what I immediately when I heard that sound bite
on Saturday night, I thought about the towels. Yeah, you remember
the story. When he first got here, he was talking
about that's right, my first moment of the Saints. I
told him the towels were wrong.
Speaker 7 (09:15):
Now, I will say from a personal standpoint, you know,
after the ordeal of having playing delays for like five
hours of DAA listen, just happy to be in San Jose.
Really nice uber driver told me all about a concert
of some sort, and then you go in. You have
a quick bite to eat a little bit of sushi
in the lobby of bar. I guess you would say,
(09:37):
Rick and I upstairs about seven point thirty, and you
got some studying to do for the game, and you
know you're going to take a quick shower because you've
been situated in an airport like all day long. Right,
So normally you just robe for the shower, like you
don't wear socks in the shower, and when you walk
to the shower, it's like, oh, you notice you stepped
(10:01):
like in a really wet spot.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
But it is the shower, so water is wet.
Speaker 7 (10:07):
No, this was this was this was like right by
sort of by the bed before you got to the shower,
on the carpet.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
On the carpet. So the first thing I think is listen.
The first first thing I think is like, oh, hell no.
Speaker 7 (10:21):
Like some serious somebody peed on the carpet, like and
like not wrong ago because it's wet. So then I
went back and I'm kind of looking down and I
look up. It's a leak and there's water. There's water
coming out like drop like not not a lot dropping.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Out of like whatever. That was like.
Speaker 7 (10:42):
Yeah, so oh boy, I'm thinking, you know, I could
call I'm completely unpacked. I've got my boards everywhere, stuff
all over the bed to you know, do the boards.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
I'm like, I'll tell you what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 7 (10:57):
I'm not I'm going to put a towel down on
the wet floor. Wow, And I'm just gonna live with this,
and if the ceiling caves in the night, then I'll
get up. At that point, I was tired. I'm gonna
study here and go my.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Ass to that.
Speaker 7 (11:11):
You didn't enjoy the music until one thirty. Sure, yeah,
you didn't pick up the phone. I did not plane,
I did not ask for a different room, not noise.
I didn't even mention the hotel's name either.
Speaker 8 (11:24):
Yeah, well sorry, I made it through you better than me,
But I'm calling.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
I imagined the bride would have made a call for
the for the wedding yet next day, Yes, yeah, maybe
maybe maybe or the grooves dad, oh for sure. Yeah
I'm not. I'm not letting my baby girl.
Speaker 7 (11:41):
No oh, pace for the wedding, the bride's and then
the grooves Dad pays for.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
The reception or rehearsal dinner.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
That's the way that it used to be, when it
was like a dowry or something like that. They don't
do that now. I paid for my wedding my wife,
other than pay for anything.
Speaker 7 (12:00):
Why are you looking at him right here, because he
had a look of incredulity on his face.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
You paid for the whole wedding, am right? Yes, I
paid for it.
Speaker 7 (12:12):
You are you stick your chest out on that way,
did you proud?
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Yeah? I am proud, I am, I am proud. I
was hoping though that, you.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Know, father would say, you know what, she's marrying you,
so now I'm giving her to you.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Now you take care of her. That's not how it happened.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Oh so, so the books that I read that that
happens in, Yeah, it happen.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Sounds like there's a little bitterness. Do you do you
get along with your father in law? Oh great, yeah, yes,
you called him out though on the air. That's kind
of messed up.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
Ryan.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
You can take whatever ang you want to and try
to put the cables on it. Throw on the bus here,
they throw him on the buses. Those effects. I paid
for it.
Speaker 7 (12:56):
He threw himself under the bus, yes, okay, mom, Yes,
willidly apparently.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Hey listen, you know it's better for you to throw
yourself and run yourself over than someone else.
Speaker 7 (13:09):
So he was able to buy that beach front property
in Fort Lauderdale too. Yeah, save yourself enough money to
be able to do that.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
So the fourteen things, the fourteen things for Sean Payton,
I don't know what they are.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
We don't know what they are.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
But it was stand to reason, if I'm using the
towel analogy from what he told us in the first
moments he got here, that it could be something to
affect to that because he mentioned employees in there, and
that's what everybody keeps getting stuck on, at least reacting
to that. It's not because he says off the field
has nothing to do with on the field stuff, which
Broncos fans have a lot of opinions on that too.
(13:44):
It's he mentioned employees, and so people start to wander
on that and start to think about, Okay, it's the
detail work of us in our first trip because he
said it's our first trip.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Yeah, and that's what everybody's kind of losing their mind on. Yeah,
I think.
Speaker 7 (13:57):
I mean, listen, this is not going out on a limb.
This is not earth shattering. I'm not breaking news. Sean
Payton has his fingerprints over everything that happens in that
organization with respect to football. I mean, every single detail, practice, transportation, uh, food,
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you name it, he's got he's got fingerprints on it.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
You know what. When they said that, the first thing
popped into my mind was a scene from The Lion
King when foss is with symbol and he's like everything
that like touches and that's that's just the same.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Thing, is it not?
Speaker 1 (14:49):
You had a good analogy. That was good, you know
what interesting?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
That's right, has no idea. Bring them into.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
Whatever you ca and when you come back, I will
you know somebody other text. I just bring something up.
There seems to be a lot of frustration. People losing
their minds about this game. I rewatched it. I'm sure
you had a chance to take it in. Is there
a reason to be upset after this game?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
In your opinion? Dave about on the field stuff, I.
Speaker 7 (15:21):
Just don't put I don't put much stock in the
first preseason game. I think you can tell about some
individual battles. Some guys did some some good things that
needed to do some good things, right, you know, Sherfield
had a really nice you know, I described that calling
(15:43):
the game as a that's a pros catch, right, he
got just a little he got enough separation. Coverage was
actually okay, he got enough separation. But the separation when
you have your palm like up and you get separation there,
you get called a lot. But when the separation is
with the back part of your hand down low.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
It is far less.
Speaker 7 (16:08):
I mean, it's far more difficult to sort of see
it and then judge if you're the back judge or
the side judge as okay, that's.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
An unfair advantage to the receiver.
Speaker 7 (16:18):
And then the ball was perfectly placed and to go
across that goal line and be able to be cognizant enough, hey,
I've got to get both feet down. That was just
a I mean, that was an NFL catch, So stuff
like that, I mean. I also made the comment during
the game Troy Franklin went across the middle of the
field in between the hashmarks and a ball that was
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thrown high.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
He extends both his hands.
Speaker 7 (16:44):
I know the game is safer nowadays than it used
to be, which I'm glad for, but still there there's
some danger when you go across the middle, even in
today's game, when you go across the middle of the field,
and there's even more danger when you see a ball
and you know, oh, I gotta I gotta try to
go because you get paid to go get it. You
(17:05):
got I gotta go get it. And when you put
your hands up here above your head, you're opening up
a lot of opportunity to get a helmet driven from
like you know, East San Jose to West San Jose.
So I thought that was a good catch, But I
wouldn't I would just caution people not to draw too
many conclusions good or bad based on the first preseason game.
(17:30):
I thought the offense was slow starting, okay. I thought
bo got flushed out a little bit. I thought San
Francisco was really aggressive. I thought Robert Sala, you know,
was a little more aggressive than you would like him
to be in a first preseason game.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
But that's that's what he chose to do.
Speaker 7 (17:48):
So you don't prepare really schematically for the Niners, and
you don't prepare to attack certain guys based on what
you see. You're just working on your stuff, and sometimes
your stuff if you're not really prepared for you're just
working in your stuff, and they have the perfect defense
(18:08):
for that call.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
So I just wouldn't good or bad. I wouldn't draw
too many conclusions. I wouldn't overreact either. But let's be
totally honest.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
There hasn't been a lot of expectations around here in
some time, and the fact that you have an offensive
line who is coming back and then planning another year
together and you don't have quarterback controversy, and you're saying, well,
what we saw on Bowl in year one, he still
wasn't where he needed to be, but the expectations start
to run high. So what you're seeing is Ronco's country,
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you know, cannibalizing themselves and being victimized by that same expectations.
But for me, being a former player, that's the world
you want to live in, and you got to take
the bidder with the sweep.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Now, Sean Payton, I don't know if this is.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
In his fourteen points, but looking at their first team offense,
like Dave said, they were not as crisp as they
need it to be. And I think maybe that was
by product. Even even though you're talking about playing with
the more simplistic offense, the execution wasn't there. Bow throwing
to Courtland in the corner of the end zone. The
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corner did a great job. He did a great job
press spelling, and you would like to say, well, we
should get the ball higher, but how much higher are
you gonna throw the ball? So the forty nine ers
did a decent job, and you could look back and say, well,
that was probably doing part to what they saw in
the joint practice, right and say, okay, well, we're gonna
go out and we're gonna work on these things in
Robert Salla and I saw it, and I was kind
(19:34):
of laughing to myself, saying, Robert Sallace saw something, and
he's gonna work on his blitz package, and he's gonna
do in this preseason game, in the.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Game that you ordinarily don't see it.
Speaker 7 (19:44):
Or it might be as simple as Robert Salas saw
his defense get their ass kicked on Thursday. And coaches
are a lot like players. I mean a lot of them.
Not all of them, but a lot of them. They're competitive, man,
get back. Hey, that's right. It's like, okay, Brown, We're
not We're not doing that on Saturday night.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
I can tell you that much, no doubt.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
All Right, we'll dial in a little bit more specifically
on the offense when we come back.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
You're listening to K Sports. I don't know about you,
but I like to get into R. E. M's sleep. Yeah, yes,
deep deep sleep. Yeah, I have to.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I have to take some stuff to help you with that.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Is that Melatona.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
It is a mixture of things, yes, okay, yeah, I can't.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
As long as it's not jack and coke.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
No, no, no, my jacket coke days.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
It's not exactly that either. A right, listen, man, I'm
not I'm not gonna knock it. Whatever you have to.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Do to help you get good nights to sleep out.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
How many jacket coach do you think you can have
before you pass out? It's Coca cola, it's caffeine I have.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
I have no idea, but the alcohol part of it, yeah,
right that that that's where the contracts come.
Speaker 9 (20:53):
Now.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
I don't think I've ever like crashed because of that.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
It's usually just maybe you didn't drink enough to keep going.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Keep just yes, because from what I heard from from
those who indulge in it a lizer, that one is
no different than ten.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
This is what I've been told.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
There you go, yes, yes, science, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
So I want to talk a little.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
Bit more about Bonnicks because you're right, the Broncos winning
this game thirty to nine, and I think the biggest
takeaway and Dave, you and I talked about it a
little bit in the post game on Saturday night that
the depth really showed up. I mean, this is a
very very deep team and I know we'll get a
chance to sort of dive into that as the week
goes on. But bo Nix is the thing that specifically
everybody's focused in on and how it seemed like they
(21:39):
just they were out of sorts. Now both said to
you in the post game, we'll play this in a
little bit that he said there were some looks that
they got that there was a little bit surprising for
them from the forty nine ers defense.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
So are you reading into.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
That a little bit of maybe they didn't think quarter
blitzes were going to be coming from Robert Solad nobody's
season game?
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Nobody does.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
Yeah, but I'm reminded one of our Texters I think
brings up a good point from the seven one nine,
three two nine. Remember Salah had words for Sean over
the whole somebody has to win this game coach against
the Jets two years ago when we lost to them.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
That's a fact. But here here's what I would say, like,
stay humble. Isn't that what he says? Yeah, something like that.
I think there's.
Speaker 7 (22:23):
I think if you brought this up to Sean, I
think he would give you a look and try to
dismiss it, like what, really, I'm not interested in you
asking me this, Let's move on. But I believe that
there's sort of a code in the NFL amongst most
coaches that in the first preseason game, you're gonna stay
(22:45):
fairly basic, right, I'm probably not gonna run a double
pass or a double reverse, or I'm not gonna on site,
I'm just and conversely, on defense, I'm gonna I'm gonna
sort of just line up up in my base stuff,
some nickel stuff, play shell, I mean, play whatever. So yes,
(23:07):
I do. I do think it doesn't upset me. But
I do think that San Francisco dialed up a few
more pressures, and I think I think it was a
result of the Broncos getting the best of the Niners
on Thursday.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
And maybe you know, we weren't there. I wasn't there.
I didn't see it, just based on what I'm told.
But there.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
You know, it doesn't take much just stoke really competitive
people's fire.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
It just doesn't.
Speaker 7 (23:36):
It could be somebody celebrating maybe more than a coach
thought was necessary, or somebody ooping it up, or it's
just I've lived that life I continue to It just
doesn't take much.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
But see, in my experience, that cold, that Dave is
talking about that that gentleman's code between coaches that works
in a joint practice. Once we get to the game,
I'm working on the things that I need to work
on to make sure my players are ready for week one.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Yeah, but that's how you justify it. Yeah, well, no,
I think you can justify it.
Speaker 7 (24:09):
I think you justified by saying, hey, man, listen, trying
to get my guys ready.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
We didn't.
Speaker 7 (24:14):
We didn't play very well Thursday in the joint practice.
So it sortat of is what it is. And then
the person who's butt hurt looks like a baby, and
that's why publicly they'll never admit it. Right, But we
didn't have joint practices back when I played, and there
was just a you know, we had more preseason games.
It was just kind of an unwritten We didn't especially
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for I'm talking about the first preseason game. We never
game planned. We never looked at film of whomever the
opponent is. We never looked I.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Mean maybe just a little bit.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
You know, a day before, like hey, they're they're a
four to three team.
Speaker 7 (24:49):
Their shell coverage, you know, that's that we're gonna run
five or six basic concepts the starter is going to
be in maybe two series and then you got a
baseball cap on and getting you some of that gatorade.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
See, that's the game gamesmanship, because.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Going back and watched the film, I saw, you know,
San Francisco starting out doing whether where they were bluffing,
where you saw guys sugaring the line of scrimmage or
what I mean by that showing is though that you're
blitzing and then come out of it, and then they
show them then they came with the blitz and if
I'm not mistaken, the Broncos did some of that themselves,
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showing as though they were coming they did and dropping out.
Speaker 7 (25:28):
I'll tell you what they did in the I want
to say the third quarter. I made reference to it
broadcasting the game, and to me, that was vance they came.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
They brought the house one time.
Speaker 7 (25:41):
And again I'm reading into this just based on my
experience in the league, but it was kind of like, Okay,
so y'all did what you do in the first quarter,
how'd you like that?
Speaker 2 (25:53):
You want to do that? We can do this?
Speaker 7 (25:56):
And you know, and again coaches don't they'll never ever
ever admit it. They might give you just a smile
if you asked him privately, like hey, off the record,
was that sort of a they might just look at
you and smile, but it's.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
It's a highly competitive arena. You know. I wasn't there, but.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Knowing the coaching staffs and the mentality and going back
to what the Texas said about what Coach Payton said
when Robert Stude was the head coach of the New
York Jets, I can easily see that certain things playing
out in the joint practices, and you know, maybe Coach
Peyton and the staff they saw something and he wanted
to exploit it. Because there was a play where we
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saw kind of like Doubridino's and basically that's two posts
and they were trying to get the ball to Troy
Franklin and the dB didn't made an excellent play. But
for me, what I was looking at from the positive
some kind of more exploration of the playbook and trying
to get Troy Franklin involved. But they for me, in
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my mind, you know, I was there at practice in
Santa Clara, but they saw something that they wanted to
take advantage of to kind of build upon. Sometimes that
happens because coaches are competitive. They they want to win
those those special cat categories. In practice, they want to
win those joint practices, and sometimes that trickles over to
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the game and you want to make sure you walk
away being able to say, well, here's what we did well.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
So for me, I love the gamesmanship.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
I love I guess this is what can we consider
this to be silent trash talk based on the plays?
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Yeah? I think so? Okay. I like the text.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
This ain't inter murals, brother, you know where that text
is from.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
That's for Dan Hawkins. That's exactly right, that's right. First one,
thanks a passa Jays. You know that's we gotta do this.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Bronco's win.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
It was a win thirty to nine five six six
nine zeros or Kwa Kamas spirit health text line. So
I like the way that you and Dave broke that down,
and I think it's a good perspective specifically on what
is usually the case when it comes to game planning.
And I say that loosely game planning for preseason games.
You're going out there, you're trying to run a few
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different things, you're testing out your guys. I mean, more
than anything, it's just an opportunity to go against another
team and see if some of those processes, some of
those plays work, and if they don't, then you go
back to the drawing board and say, ah, you know
that didn't quite work out. But you're not really going
in there with a full game plan and identifying again
what hot reads you're going to need to have.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Because a lot of people are pointing to.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
That specific play with the safety, say, well, Troy Franklin
was wide open right in the middle. Honestly, if you
watch it back, and I have about a dozen times,
it looks as though Bonix had no concept of that
corner was coming. And maybe that's on him. Maybe he
needs to be prepared for that even in the preseason.
You can't fall asleep at the wheel on moments like
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that again, because you can get blown up and tackle
you to the ground. This isn't like a this where
we just two hand touched the quarterback or two hand
touch anybody.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
This is one of those they're coming to take a
head off.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
So for bow Nicks, it looked like he got a
bit spooked by that specific corner coming that he had
no he just wasn't even paying attention to it.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Almost Well, here's why that happens, Ryan, because when you
run a lot of reduced formations, what I mean, you
pull your wide receivers in inside the numbers, which the
Broncos are running in three pin one formations and running shallows,
you're going.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
To see that happen.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
And that was probably something the forty nine ers saw
in those joint practices, and Robert Salaz said, what the
hell I mean he had it in this regular.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Season game plan.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Of course, but he just said, you know what, why
not if they give you this formation? And he probably
told the linebacker with the green dot to be attentive
to this.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
We saw this a lot in the joint practices.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
If you see it again, you have the right to
go ahead and come off the edge, make sure that
you have coverage on the back end. And in a
lot of those plays you say, okay, well a wide
receiver was open. Like if you get the clicker in
your hand, on every single play, there's going to be
a receiver open. But now you're gonna say, okay, well,
where was the protection the quarterback? Was he able to
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get his head around, was he able to set his feet?
And these are some of the things we have to
look at. So this is a learning situation for bo
Nicks and the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
But it's still not one.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Of these things where you can browbeat the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
And say, well, he didn't have a great showing.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
There was a lot of preseason games that was played
this weekend, let's.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Be you have full transparency.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
And it just didn't really look like a regular season game.
So now with an opportunity with Arizona coming in here
an opportunity in week two, because the only three pieces
a game, there's gonna be game planning.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
I'm glad you brought that up because it's our first
introduction to a lot of these teams, especially if you
haven't had a chance to be out of training camp
for all of them, right, which nobody is, so our
first introduction to them, and people are looking for things
to draw conclusions from. You're just looking for it. It's
like human nature kind of stuff, right, I.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Know what humans you're talking about? What do you mean?
What kind of humans are I'm talking about? You know
what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
I'm just gonna let you go and spell that out.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Okay, So technically we know in this particular market, locally, nationally,
there are individuals who are who just kind of cling
to negativity like it's a buoy in a hurricane. And
for those individuals, I'm sure they jumped all over it.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Oh Ben, you're talking about Ben Albright?
Speaker 4 (31:41):
Well, I didn't even call you all about name, right,
I never I never said that the person was black
v nex. I never said that, right.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Well, now I understand what you were replying.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
That's all.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
I just needed to understand the implication.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
But my point of it is is we're trying to
learn something about these teams. We're trying to draw conclusions.
Whether you're a fantasy football person or you're just an
avid fan of the NFL, you're trying to learn things.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
So in this case, if.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
You've been hearing all off season, including the last couple
of weeks, Sean Payton talked about this, this could be a
super Bowl team. I might have a top five quarterback here.
The media has been reporting pay pretty good practices out
there at OTA's in training camp. I think this team
is really building something there. And then your first introduction
as a fan is to go out there and see
Bo Knicks and the first team offense look a little
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bit out of sorts at times. Then your natural conclusion
is wait a minute, either they were lying to me,
or this team really isn't that good, or maybe both,
and you draw conclusions where you really shouldn't. I remember
Vic Fangio at one point talking about false positives and
false negatives, and that's kind of what this reminds me of.
It reminds me of you get false positives and false
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negatives from preseason games where you're trying to dock conclusions.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
I'll even include myself in this tw a certain extent.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
Last year, and I think it was the second preseason game,
Bonix looked really good. He looked really good out there,
and I remember going, man, this, this looks this looks fun.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
This is things you can build off of.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
And I remember Ben and a lot of other people saying,
hold on, it's preseason.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
You have to kick a lot of this with a
grain of salt.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
And for Ben, he kept saying, well, they're simulating things
for him out there, they're actually game planning for bo Nicks,
and you typically don't do those kinds of things to
what you and Dave were saying.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
So anyways, I guess they come back.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
Around on it and say, if we can't make judgments
off of a good performance from bo Knicks last year
in the second preseason game. I think we have to
sort of a lot the same conversation about this performance.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Also, I would, you know, encourage Broncos fans to kind
of keep this in perspective that we've seen teams lose
every single preseason game, right, and end up making the
playoffs and possibly even going to the Super Bowl. And
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we've seen teams who won every preseason game and everyone
was like, oh, yeah, this team is real.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
They don't make a lot of noise in the regular season,
and it.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
Was a flying dud, right, So we have to really
be careful about it. And the way that I approach it,
I approach it not from a player's standpoint, but from
a coaching standpoint. What am I looking for. I'm looking
for certain things that I can go back to the
drawing board and say, well, here was the preseason type
of expectations. Are they hitting those marks? And that's what
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I encourage Buncle's country to do.
Nick Fergus in his studio with me. What's up, Nick?
Speaker 2 (00:02):
What's going on?
Speaker 3 (00:03):
Man?
Speaker 4 (00:03):
Why do you say that? That would be nice to say?
As though I don't say nice things.
Speaker 5 (00:08):
You say nice things plenty interesting. What I wondered though,
and a lot of a lot of our listeners speculated on,
is that the reason you were gone this last week
is because you had such a horrid take on the Rockies,
like you were rounding the bases, spike in the football.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Whatever, whatever. Do you really want to do that?
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Do you want to do nothing?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
And they came back and won that.
Speaker 6 (00:34):
Game, and then you ducked us, so you ducked the show.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
See, Dave is not on social media.
Speaker 6 (00:42):
It was such a bad take. You had to disappear.
See I came to you. I went right to the
horse's mouth and you and.
Speaker 7 (00:49):
I had I'm not on social media, I'm I'm I'm
on plenty. He's constantly on Twitter. Okay, you're right, that's interesting.
Before Yeah, you just you don't know handle.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Yeah, he's got he's got burners.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Oh, please give me the hand. No, I ain't doing
it on the air.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Okay, do do it off there because I want to
see you get the shout out to me, of course,
and I'm going to include you in some of these
conversations that.
Speaker 7 (01:14):
Well, no, in that case, okay, you out in that case.
I don't need to be included in any conversation that
that you have with Ryan.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
What Ryan is trying to do, He's trying to pin
me down on this conversation.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
The Rocky was playing last.
Speaker 8 (01:29):
Week and they were down big or nothing the first
in and I would remember exactly and I kind of tuned.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
Out, No, no, no, you did not, You did not,
because you immediately get me up like, oh look.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
At this, just fass up.
Speaker 7 (01:42):
You was talking smack, and a reasonable person would have
as well when they were when you're the team you
placed a wager on, was up nine to nothing, and
then Rockies come back and win eighteen seventeen.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Well like after the fifth inning, I was just like, oh,
I'm out. You know, this is what netflix right exactly,
And all of a sudden they came back and then
uh naturally Ryan leaped his head out of the whole
course and he hey, what was that? So I was like,
you know what, They still did the same thing that
I anticipated, but bravo, they did a good job.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
And then move fast forward and now they've lost seven
in a row. Okay, I mean that's nothing the defense
rest whoa, I'm going home, mama.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
That's regardless of a video.
Speaker 6 (02:29):
It's just you disappeared for a week after that take.
Speaker 7 (02:33):
You know, I'm so glad high school football season started.
I can get the hell up out of here. Three
forty five.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
What's up.
Speaker 7 (02:38):
Yes, it's good to see it. Good see you guys too.
You know, I'm just kidding. I mean, I'm not really kidding,
but you know there's a little bit of you. You're
gonna miss us. You look at his face. Yeah, ok
pol definitely, definitely.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
I'm gonna miss so much you guys, absolutely, well did
you find out? Really? What? What?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
What?
Speaker 7 (03:00):
What's the fourteen things that Sean was pissed about? Because
I think that should be the lead, the lead of
the show.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
I'm glad you asked.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
And in case people missed it, here's what Sean Payton
after a thirty to nine victory on the road.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
This is what he said.
Speaker 9 (03:14):
There's some mistakes that are going to happen, but it's
the pre snap, it's the illegal man downfield. There's a
handful of these things that those have to be cleaned
up like tomorrow. And it's not just the players that
you know, this is the first road trip for us,
and you know, I've got fourteen things written down that
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I'm pissed off about that have nothing to.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Do with the game.
Speaker 9 (03:39):
And so that's part of the debrief too, And so
the willingness of the player, employee, all of us to
accept and make those corrections I think.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Are important, the player, the employee.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
I'm sorry, I mean fourteen things that had nothing to
do with the game. So only thing that I can
think about the hotel, the food, the bus ride, the
plane ride, I mean the plane being delayed, right, and.
Speaker 7 (04:11):
Sometimes about that because we are supposed we are supposed
to talk about stuff that happens. We've got listen, we
get the look of death and the email. We can't
talk about anything that happens on a trip like and
then there's a dot which I think.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Is a period.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Okay, well, I'm sorry, Well you got sources. I'm not
going to go into that source of things. It just
happened to come my way. Uh huh, right, okay, And
the fourteen things coming up, So I'm listening to the
things that could be a probability.
Speaker 7 (04:46):
You know what, I don't have any idea what those
things are. If I had, if I had to hazard
a guess, because I have no I what they could be,
I would say what Nick said.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I would say, I mean, generally speaking, if.
Speaker 7 (05:08):
It's assed out possibility, yeah, if you travel generally speaking,
I mean, I'll give you an example.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
So Rick and.
Speaker 7 (05:14):
I left on Friday to catch up with the Broncos.
We were flying to San Jose because the hotel was
in San Jose and that the Broncos were staying at.
And flight that was supposed to leave at ten forty
five am so you can get there. You know, you
figure whatever A forty five wound up leaving at ten
(05:38):
to four. Oh. So you know you're in trouble when
you have delays that allow you to eat not once,
but twice at the airport. So that's but that has
nothing to do with with Sean's list of fourteen. But
I would say, Nick, to your point that you know,
playing delays of any kind would be upsetting for those
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who might be on the plane.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Is it similar to like a fourteen point it's action
when it comes to your vehicle.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
That type of concept could be could be.
Speaker 7 (06:13):
I would say that if you went somewhere I mean
generally speaking, and.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
There on the night before you had like.
Speaker 7 (06:24):
A big event the next day, maybe maybe there's a
wedding and you want to the bride wants to look.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Fresh, and you you you then found out that there
was roadways that were blocked off because they were having
a huge I don't know this thing.
Speaker 7 (06:47):
Cause maybe jazz fest okay, yep, and the jazz fest,
as most jazz fests do fellas the jazz fest, I
mean hypothetically might play till I don't know, one thirty
in the morning, and and and a lot of times
in various hotels, some hotels that are maybe a little
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bit older, or I've heard you're able to hear like
really well through the walls.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Interesting till one thirty in the morning, I.
Speaker 7 (07:18):
Mean till one thirty in the morning, if you've got
to if you've got a wedding the next day, the
bride wants to be fresh.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, So.
Speaker 7 (07:26):
That that'd be something that if that happened to me,
I'd probably.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
It sounds like something like my playing days. It was rumored.
We never could really prove it, but it was rumored.
When you when we played in Oakland that Al Davis
somehow had people in the hotel on the pay.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Road and a microphone in the in the in the room. Well,
I didn't hear about that. That makes things my interesting
in the locker room of y'all. Wow, that just adds.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
To the ten four hat theory. But it was pulling
up of a along, you know, just kind of fire along.
It's kind of you know, making you a little destraught,
you look pooring it, and they were hoping that maybe
that would play to their benefits. So, I mean, I
could see something like that happening and orchestrating. But what
you're talking about as far as a.
Speaker 7 (08:17):
Concert, I mean, I'm saying if that happened, it happened
you were on a trip and there was an important
event the next day, like a wedding, then you can't play.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
You can't plan for things like that.
Speaker 7 (08:29):
Well, the moment you should, well you probably you probably,
I mean somebody would have known that there was a
jazz fest like playing the night before your wedding the
next day, and the jazz fest was gonna checking that.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
It was checking for a jazz fest. You're just trying
to get the venue right. You're just trying to make
sure everyone gets to the venio.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Onel. You played in the league. What's wrong with you?
You played in the league.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
You're so wrong on this, and you know you're wrong
on it. You're you can't.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
I have no idea what you're talking to. Details or important? Man.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Hey, the towels or the towels story.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
That's what I immediately when I heard that sound bite
on Saturday night, I thought about the towels. Yeah, you remember
the story. When he first got here, he was talking
about that's right, my first moment of the Saints. I
told him the towels were wrong.
Speaker 7 (09:15):
Now, I will say from a personal standpoint, you know,
after the ordeal of having playing delays for like five
hours of DAA listen, just happy to be in San Jose.
Really nice uber driver told me all about a concert
of some sort, and then you go in. You have
a quick bite to eat a little bit of sushi
in the lobby of bar. I guess you would say,
(09:37):
Rick and I upstairs about seven point thirty, and you
got some studying to do for the game, and you
know you're going to take a quick shower because you've
been situated in an airport like all day long. Right,
So normally you just robe for the shower, like you
don't wear socks in the shower, and when you walk
to the shower, it's like, oh, you notice you stepped
(10:01):
like in a really wet spot.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
But it is the shower, so water is wet.
Speaker 7 (10:07):
No, this was this was this was like right by
sort of by the bed before you got to the shower,
on the carpet.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
On the carpet. So the first thing I think is listen.
The first first thing I think is like, oh, hell no.
Speaker 7 (10:21):
Like some serious somebody peed on the carpet, like and
like not wrong ago because it's wet. So then I
went back and I'm kind of looking down and I
look up. It's a leak and there's water. There's water
coming out like drop like not not a lot dropping.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Out of like whatever. That was like.
Speaker 7 (10:42):
Yeah, so oh boy, I'm thinking, you know, I could
call I'm completely unpacked. I've got my boards everywhere, stuff
all over the bed to you know, do the boards.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
I'm like, I'll tell you what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 7 (10:57):
I'm not I'm going to put a towel down on
the wet floor. Wow, And I'm just gonna live with this,
and if the ceiling caves in the night, then I'll
get up. At that point, I was tired. I'm gonna
study here and go my.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Ass to that.
Speaker 7 (11:11):
You didn't enjoy the music until one thirty. Sure, yeah,
you didn't pick up the phone. I did not plane,
I did not ask for a different room, not noise.
I didn't even mention the hotel's name either.
Speaker 8 (11:24):
Yeah, well sorry, I made it through you better than me,
But I'm calling.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
I imagined the bride would have made a call for
the for the wedding yet next day, Yes, yeah, maybe
maybe maybe or the grooves dad, oh for sure. Yeah
I'm not. I'm not letting my baby girl.
Speaker 7 (11:41):
No oh, pace for the wedding, the bride's and then
the grooves Dad pays for.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
The reception or rehearsal dinner.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
That's the way that it used to be, when it
was like a dowry or something like that. They don't
do that now. I paid for my wedding my wife,
other than pay for anything.
Speaker 7 (12:00):
Why are you looking at him right here, because he
had a look of incredulity on his face.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
You paid for the whole wedding, am right? Yes, I
paid for it.
Speaker 7 (12:12):
You are you stick your chest out on that way,
did you proud?
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Yeah? I am proud, I am, I am proud. I
was hoping though that, you.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Know, father would say, you know what, she's marrying you,
so now I'm giving her to you.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Now you take care of her. That's not how it happened.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Oh so, so the books that I read that that
happens in, Yeah, it happen.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Sounds like there's a little bitterness. Do you do you
get along with your father in law? Oh great, yeah, yes,
you called him out though on the air. That's kind
of messed up.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
Ryan.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
You can take whatever ang you want to and try
to put the cables on it. Throw on the bus here,
they throw him on the buses. Those effects. I paid
for it.
Speaker 7 (12:56):
He threw himself under the bus, yes, okay, mom, Yes,
willidly apparently.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Hey listen, you know it's better for you to throw
yourself and run yourself over than someone else.
Speaker 7 (13:09):
So he was able to buy that beach front property
in Fort Lauderdale too. Yeah, save yourself enough money to
be able to do that.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
So the fourteen things, the fourteen things for Sean Payton,
I don't know what they are.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
We don't know what they are.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
But it was stand to reason, if I'm using the
towel analogy from what he told us in the first
moments he got here, that it could be something to
affect to that because he mentioned employees in there, and
that's what everybody keeps getting stuck on, at least reacting
to that. It's not because he says off the field
has nothing to do with on the field stuff, which
Broncos fans have a lot of opinions on that too.
(13:44):
It's he mentioned employees, and so people start to wander
on that and start to think about, Okay, it's the
detail work of us in our first trip because he
said it's our first trip.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Yeah, and that's what everybody's kind of losing their mind on. Yeah,
I think.
Speaker 7 (13:57):
I mean, listen, this is not going out on a limb.
This is not earth shattering. I'm not breaking news. Sean
Payton has his fingerprints over everything that happens in that
organization with respect to football. I mean, every single detail, practice, transportation, uh, food,
(14:28):
you name it, he's got he's got fingerprints on it.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
You know what. When they said that, the first thing
popped into my mind was a scene from The Lion
King when foss is with symbol and he's like everything
that like touches and that's that's just the same.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Thing, is it not?
Speaker 1 (14:49):
You had a good analogy. That was good, you know
what interesting?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
That's right, has no idea. Bring them into.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
Whatever you ca and when you come back, I will
you know somebody other text. I just bring something up.
There seems to be a lot of frustration. People losing
their minds about this game. I rewatched it. I'm sure
you had a chance to take it in. Is there
a reason to be upset after this game?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
In your opinion? Dave about on the field stuff, I.
Speaker 7 (15:21):
Just don't put I don't put much stock in the
first preseason game. I think you can tell about some
individual battles. Some guys did some some good things that
needed to do some good things, right, you know, Sherfield
had a really nice you know, I described that calling
(15:43):
the game as a that's a pros catch, right, he
got just a little he got enough separation. Coverage was
actually okay, he got enough separation. But the separation when
you have your palm like up and you get separation there,
you get called a lot. But when the separation is
with the back part of your hand down low.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
It is far less.
Speaker 7 (16:08):
I mean, it's far more difficult to sort of see
it and then judge if you're the back judge or
the side judge as okay, that's.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
An unfair advantage to the receiver.
Speaker 7 (16:18):
And then the ball was perfectly placed and to go
across that goal line and be able to be cognizant enough, hey,
I've got to get both feet down. That was just
a I mean, that was an NFL catch, So stuff
like that, I mean. I also made the comment during
the game Troy Franklin went across the middle of the
field in between the hashmarks and a ball that was
(16:39):
thrown high.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
He extends both his hands.
Speaker 7 (16:44):
I know the game is safer nowadays than it used
to be, which I'm glad for, but still there there's
some danger when you go across the middle, even in
today's game, when you go across the middle of the field,
and there's even more danger when you see a ball
and you know, oh, I gotta I gotta try to
go because you get paid to go get it. You
(17:05):
got I gotta go get it. And when you put
your hands up here above your head, you're opening up
a lot of opportunity to get a helmet driven from
like you know, East San Jose to West San Jose.
So I thought that was a good catch, But I
wouldn't I would just caution people not to draw too
many conclusions good or bad based on the first preseason game.
(17:30):
I thought the offense was slow starting, okay. I thought
bo got flushed out a little bit. I thought San
Francisco was really aggressive. I thought Robert Sala, you know,
was a little more aggressive than you would like him
to be in a first preseason game.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
But that's that's what he chose to do.
Speaker 7 (17:48):
So you don't prepare really schematically for the Niners, and
you don't prepare to attack certain guys based on what
you see. You're just working on your stuff, and sometimes
your stuff if you're not really prepared for you're just
working in your stuff, and they have the perfect defense
(18:08):
for that call.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
So I just wouldn't good or bad. I wouldn't draw
too many conclusions. I wouldn't overreact either. But let's be
totally honest.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
There hasn't been a lot of expectations around here in
some time, and the fact that you have an offensive
line who is coming back and then planning another year
together and you don't have quarterback controversy, and you're saying, well,
what we saw on Bowl in year one, he still
wasn't where he needed to be, but the expectations start
to run high. So what you're seeing is Ronco's country,
(18:39):
you know, cannibalizing themselves and being victimized by that same expectations.
But for me, being a former player, that's the world
you want to live in, and you got to take
the bidder with the sweep.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Now, Sean Payton, I don't know if this is.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
In his fourteen points, but looking at their first team offense,
like Dave said, they were not as crisp as they
need it to be. And I think maybe that was
by product. Even even though you're talking about playing with
the more simplistic offense, the execution wasn't there. Bow throwing
to Courtland in the corner of the end zone. The
(19:12):
corner did a great job. He did a great job
press spelling, and you would like to say, well, we
should get the ball higher, but how much higher are
you gonna throw the ball? So the forty nine ers
did a decent job, and you could look back and say, well,
that was probably doing part to what they saw in
the joint practice, right and say, okay, well, we're gonna
go out and we're gonna work on these things in
Robert Salla and I saw it, and I was kind
(19:34):
of laughing to myself, saying, Robert Sallace saw something, and
he's gonna work on his blitz package, and he's gonna
do in this preseason game, in the.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Game that you ordinarily don't see it.
Speaker 7 (19:44):
Or it might be as simple as Robert Salas saw
his defense get their ass kicked on Thursday. And coaches
are a lot like players. I mean a lot of them.
Not all of them, but a lot of them. They're competitive, man,
get back. Hey, that's right. It's like, okay, Brown, We're
not We're not doing that on Saturday night.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
I can tell you that much, no doubt.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
All Right, we'll dial in a little bit more specifically
on the offense when we come back.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
You're listening to K Sports. I don't know about you,
but I like to get into R. E. M's sleep. Yeah, yes,
deep deep sleep. Yeah, I have to.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I have to take some stuff to help you with that.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Is that Melatona.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
It is a mixture of things, yes, okay, yeah, I can't.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
As long as it's not jack and coke.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
No, no, no, my jacket coke days.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
It's not exactly that either. A right, listen, man, I'm
not I'm not gonna knock it. Whatever you have to.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Do to help you get good nights to sleep out.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
How many jacket coach do you think you can have
before you pass out? It's Coca cola, it's caffeine I have.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
I have no idea, but the alcohol part of it, yeah,
right that that that's where the contracts come.
Speaker 9 (20:53):
Now.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
I don't think I've ever like crashed because of that.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
It's usually just maybe you didn't drink enough to keep going.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Keep just yes, because from what I heard from from
those who indulge in it a lizer, that one is
no different than ten.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
This is what I've been told.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
There you go, yes, yes, science, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
So I want to talk a little.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
Bit more about Bonnicks because you're right, the Broncos winning
this game thirty to nine, and I think the biggest
takeaway and Dave, you and I talked about it a
little bit in the post game on Saturday night that
the depth really showed up. I mean, this is a
very very deep team and I know we'll get a
chance to sort of dive into that as the week
goes on. But bo Nix is the thing that specifically
everybody's focused in on and how it seemed like they
(21:39):
just they were out of sorts. Now both said to
you in the post game, we'll play this in a
little bit that he said there were some looks that
they got that there was a little bit surprising for
them from the forty nine ers defense.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
So are you reading into.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
That a little bit of maybe they didn't think quarter
blitzes were going to be coming from Robert Solad nobody's
season game?
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Nobody does.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
Yeah, but I'm reminded one of our Texters I think
brings up a good point from the seven one nine,
three two nine. Remember Salah had words for Sean over
the whole somebody has to win this game coach against
the Jets two years ago when we lost to them.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
That's a fact. But here here's what I would say, like,
stay humble. Isn't that what he says? Yeah, something like that.
I think there's.
Speaker 7 (22:23):
I think if you brought this up to Sean, I
think he would give you a look and try to
dismiss it, like what, really, I'm not interested in you
asking me this, Let's move on. But I believe that
there's sort of a code in the NFL amongst most
coaches that in the first preseason game, you're gonna stay
(22:45):
fairly basic, right, I'm probably not gonna run a double
pass or a double reverse, or I'm not gonna on site,
I'm just and conversely, on defense, I'm gonna I'm gonna
sort of just line up up in my base stuff,
some nickel stuff, play shell, I mean, play whatever. So yes,
(23:07):
I do. I do think it doesn't upset me. But
I do think that San Francisco dialed up a few
more pressures, and I think I think it was a
result of the Broncos getting the best of the Niners
on Thursday.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
And maybe you know, we weren't there. I wasn't there.
I didn't see it, just based on what I'm told.
But there.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
You know, it doesn't take much just stoke really competitive
people's fire.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
It just doesn't.
Speaker 7 (23:36):
It could be somebody celebrating maybe more than a coach
thought was necessary, or somebody ooping it up, or it's
just I've lived that life I continue to It just
doesn't take much.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
But see, in my experience, that cold, that Dave is
talking about that that gentleman's code between coaches that works
in a joint practice. Once we get to the game,
I'm working on the things that I need to work
on to make sure my players are ready for week one.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Yeah, but that's how you justify it. Yeah, well, no,
I think you can justify it.
Speaker 7 (24:09):
I think you justified by saying, hey, man, listen, trying
to get my guys ready.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
We didn't.
Speaker 7 (24:14):
We didn't play very well Thursday in the joint practice.
So it sortat of is what it is. And then
the person who's butt hurt looks like a baby, and
that's why publicly they'll never admit it. Right, But we
didn't have joint practices back when I played, and there
was just a you know, we had more preseason games.
It was just kind of an unwritten We didn't especially
(24:35):
for I'm talking about the first preseason game. We never
game planned. We never looked at film of whomever the
opponent is. We never looked I.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Mean maybe just a little bit.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
You know, a day before, like hey, they're they're a
four to three team.
Speaker 7 (24:49):
Their shell coverage, you know, that's that we're gonna run
five or six basic concepts the starter is going to
be in maybe two series and then you got a
baseball cap on and getting you some of that gatorade.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
See, that's the game gamesmanship, because.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Going back and watched the film, I saw, you know,
San Francisco starting out doing whether where they were bluffing,
where you saw guys sugaring the line of scrimmage or
what I mean by that showing is though that you're
blitzing and then come out of it, and then they
show them then they came with the blitz and if
I'm not mistaken, the Broncos did some of that themselves,
(25:25):
showing as though they were coming they did and dropping out.
Speaker 7 (25:28):
I'll tell you what they did in the I want
to say the third quarter. I made reference to it
broadcasting the game, and to me, that was vance they came.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
They brought the house one time.
Speaker 7 (25:41):
And again I'm reading into this just based on my
experience in the league, but it was kind of like, Okay,
so y'all did what you do in the first quarter,
how'd you like that?
Speaker 2 (25:53):
You want to do that? We can do this?
Speaker 7 (25:56):
And you know, and again coaches don't they'll never ever
ever admit it. They might give you just a smile
if you asked him privately, like hey, off the record,
was that sort of a they might just look at
you and smile, but it's.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
It's a highly competitive arena. You know. I wasn't there, but.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Knowing the coaching staffs and the mentality and going back
to what the Texas said about what Coach Payton said
when Robert Stude was the head coach of the New
York Jets, I can easily see that certain things playing
out in the joint practices, and you know, maybe Coach
Peyton and the staff they saw something and he wanted
to exploit it. Because there was a play where we
(26:38):
saw kind of like Doubridino's and basically that's two posts
and they were trying to get the ball to Troy
Franklin and the dB didn't made an excellent play. But
for me, what I was looking at from the positive
some kind of more exploration of the playbook and trying
to get Troy Franklin involved. But they for me, in
(26:59):
my mind, you know, I was there at practice in
Santa Clara, but they saw something that they wanted to
take advantage of to kind of build upon. Sometimes that
happens because coaches are competitive. They they want to win
those those special cat categories. In practice, they want to
win those joint practices, and sometimes that trickles over to
(27:21):
the game and you want to make sure you walk
away being able to say, well, here's what we did well.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
So for me, I love the gamesmanship.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
I love I guess this is what can we consider
this to be silent trash talk based on the plays?
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Yeah? I think so? Okay. I like the text.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
This ain't inter murals, brother, you know where that text
is from.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
That's for Dan Hawkins. That's exactly right, that's right. First one,
thanks a passa Jays. You know that's we gotta do this.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Bronco's win.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
It was a win thirty to nine five six six
nine zeros or Kwa Kamas spirit health text line. So
I like the way that you and Dave broke that down,
and I think it's a good perspective specifically on what
is usually the case when it comes to game planning.
And I say that loosely game planning for preseason games.
You're going out there, you're trying to run a few
(28:14):
different things, you're testing out your guys. I mean, more
than anything, it's just an opportunity to go against another
team and see if some of those processes, some of
those plays work, and if they don't, then you go
back to the drawing board and say, ah, you know
that didn't quite work out. But you're not really going
in there with a full game plan and identifying again
what hot reads you're going to need to have.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Because a lot of people are pointing to.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
That specific play with the safety, say, well, Troy Franklin
was wide open right in the middle. Honestly, if you
watch it back, and I have about a dozen times,
it looks as though Bonix had no concept of that
corner was coming. And maybe that's on him. Maybe he
needs to be prepared for that even in the preseason.
You can't fall asleep at the wheel on moments like
(28:56):
that again, because you can get blown up and tackle
you to the ground. This isn't like a this where
we just two hand touched the quarterback or two hand
touch anybody.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
This is one of those they're coming to take a
head off.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
So for bow Nicks, it looked like he got a
bit spooked by that specific corner coming that he had
no he just wasn't even paying attention to it.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Almost Well, here's why that happens, Ryan, because when you
run a lot of reduced formations, what I mean, you
pull your wide receivers in inside the numbers, which the
Broncos are running in three pin one formations and running shallows,
you're going.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
To see that happen.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
And that was probably something the forty nine ers saw
in those joint practices, and Robert Salaz said, what the
hell I mean he had it in this regular.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Season game plan.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Of course, but he just said, you know what, why
not if they give you this formation? And he probably
told the linebacker with the green dot to be attentive
to this.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
We saw this a lot in the joint practices.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
If you see it again, you have the right to
go ahead and come off the edge, make sure that
you have coverage on the back end. And in a
lot of those plays you say, okay, well a wide
receiver was open. Like if you get the clicker in
your hand, on every single play, there's going to be
a receiver open. But now you're gonna say, okay, well,
where was the protection the quarterback? Was he able to
(30:15):
get his head around, was he able to set his feet?
And these are some of the things we have to
look at. So this is a learning situation for bo
Nicks and the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
But it's still not one.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Of these things where you can browbeat the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
And say, well, he didn't have a great showing.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
There was a lot of preseason games that was played
this weekend, let's.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Be you have full transparency.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
And it just didn't really look like a regular season game.
So now with an opportunity with Arizona coming in here
an opportunity in week two, because the only three pieces
a game, there's gonna be game planning.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
I'm glad you brought that up because it's our first
introduction to a lot of these teams, especially if you
haven't had a chance to be out of training camp
for all of them, right, which nobody is, so our
first introduction to them, and people are looking for things
to draw conclusions from. You're just looking for it. It's
like human nature kind of stuff, right, I.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Know what humans you're talking about? What do you mean?
What kind of humans are I'm talking about? You know
what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
I'm just gonna let you go and spell that out.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Okay, So technically we know in this particular market, locally, nationally,
there are individuals who are who just kind of cling
to negativity like it's a buoy in a hurricane. And
for those individuals, I'm sure they jumped all over it.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Oh Ben, you're talking about Ben Albright?
Speaker 4 (31:41):
Well, I didn't even call you all about name, right,
I never I never said that the person was black
v nex. I never said that, right.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Well, now I understand what you were replying.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
That's all.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
I just needed to understand the implication.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
But my point of it is is we're trying to
learn something about these teams. We're trying to draw conclusions.
Whether you're a fantasy football person or you're just an
avid fan of the NFL, you're trying to learn things.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
So in this case, if.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
You've been hearing all off season, including the last couple
of weeks, Sean Payton talked about this, this could be a
super Bowl team. I might have a top five quarterback here.
The media has been reporting pay pretty good practices out
there at OTA's in training camp. I think this team
is really building something there. And then your first introduction
as a fan is to go out there and see
Bo Knicks and the first team offense look a little
(32:28):
bit out of sorts at times. Then your natural conclusion
is wait a minute, either they were lying to me,
or this team really isn't that good, or maybe both,
and you draw conclusions where you really shouldn't. I remember
Vic Fangio at one point talking about false positives and
false negatives, and that's kind of what this reminds me of.
It reminds me of you get false positives and false
(32:48):
negatives from preseason games where you're trying to dock conclusions.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
I'll even include myself in this tw a certain extent.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
Last year, and I think it was the second preseason game,
Bonix looked really good. He looked really good out there,
and I remember going, man, this, this looks this looks fun.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
This is things you can build off of.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
And I remember Ben and a lot of other people saying,
hold on, it's preseason.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
You have to kick a lot of this with a
grain of salt.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
And for Ben, he kept saying, well, they're simulating things
for him out there, they're actually game planning for bo Nicks,
and you typically don't do those kinds of things to
what you and Dave were saying.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
So anyways, I guess they come back.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
Around on it and say, if we can't make judgments
off of a good performance from bo Knicks last year
in the second preseason game. I think we have to
sort of a lot the same conversation about this performance.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Also, I would, you know, encourage Broncos fans to kind
of keep this in perspective that we've seen teams lose
every single preseason game, right, and end up making the
playoffs and possibly even going to the Super Bowl. And
(33:55):
we've seen teams who won every preseason game and everyone
was like, oh, yeah, this team is real.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
They don't make a lot of noise in the regular season,
and it.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
Was a flying dud, right, So we have to really
be careful about it. And the way that I approach it,
I approach it not from a player's standpoint, but from
a coaching standpoint. What am I looking for. I'm looking
for certain things that I can go back to the
drawing board and say, well, here was the preseason type
of expectations. Are they hitting those marks? And that's what
(34:25):
I encourage Buncle's country to do.
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