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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Benjamin Albright, Dave is off to coach. We are going
to hang out with you till six o'clock and then
guess what more? Ben all Bright Country tonight right here
on kol Bright.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Nick Ferguson will also be along, looking forward to that.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Nick was out in practice with me today, so he'll
give his assessment of what we saw.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
We had the JOYT practice tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
We had a question coming in here before we hear
from Adam Trautman on the KWA con spirital text line
five six six nine zero.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
beIN and Ryan.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Have we heard how much the starters are going to
play this week?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I don't think it's been specified.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
But I believe you're going to see a quarter and
a half of the starters again, and then you'll see
next week the third game, the New Orleans game will
basically be backups.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
It's kind of what he did last year, right.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
So they generally like to do like two three series
of the starters in the first game, and then they
like to like kind of almost double that in the
second game, not quite, and then you know they can
give them out.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
And there's something too. They've got some study.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
I've not seen this study, but they apparently have some
study that the way that they do things helps prevent
injury when it comes to the regular season.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
So the Joy practice thing, I found it interesting a
couple of days ago when Sean Payton was talking about
because he sort of consolidated the two of the joy
practice in the.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Game almost as one entity, right it.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
And even though you could you could separate them and
treat them differently, he talked about getting in the work
over the two days as a combined effort, And I
imagine they're going to approach tomorrow's practice along with the
game in a similar way.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
They kind of do. It's an extension of one of another.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
You know, one is labbing some concepts and you know,
and doing some things, and then the others putting them
into practice in a game. Right, That's that's what that
is for the preseason, and that's that's at least what
this particular coaching staff believes.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
And we see that having born out. Here's Vja talking
about what he wants to see in the joint practice.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
I want improvement. You know, I'm doing some things in practice.
I won't do it any games that I'm testing for
the season. I want our guys to obviously, you know,
be at a high standard. I want to finish, I
want almost great rush. I want to go football. I mean,
that's you know this scene coming in tomorrow. I mean,
they ran a ball well last year and this week
against Kansas City. So again it's going to be a
great test for our front and our backing guys cover
(02:12):
and it's quite a good run, you know, So that's
in our rush lane is going to be good against Kyler.
So it's the next test, and I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yeah, I can imagine that it's a different kind of
quarterback you're going to see with Kyler Murray. And I
don't know how many designed runs or scrambles that he'll
end up doing in practice and even in the game,
but it's good to see a.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Player like that.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I thought it was interesting during his press conference today,
the media scrumbs because he was talking about how he
actually liked that they struggled in that first drive. I
gotta imagine for a coach, and this is really no
matter what side of the ball you're on, or even
the head coach, if guys are starting to feel good
about themselves or starting to.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Maybe read some headlines or here's some things around.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
This defense has been nothing but celebrated at every level.
The defensive line, the edge rushers, the linebackers, Oh boy,
Droig Craig Greenlaw when he's out there, this team, and
the secondary, my goodness, you got the defensive player of
the year Riley Moss looks for the fantastic, nothing but flowers.
So when VJ was asked about it, he said, actually,
(03:16):
I'm really glad that happened because we need more moments
of adversity.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah, I mean, and I don't think they struggled. They
give it the one big play, yeah, and that was
kind of it. I mean, honestly, they really did every
everything else they did was the defense was pretty dominated.
But we'll remember for that one play against Jaquan, which
of course he made up for with the interception later.
But you do want to see that, right, You ever
watched you watch a boxing match with like a young
guy going up against the going up against a venerated champion,
(03:41):
and you know, the young guy all of a sudden
comes out there and he's you know, that first round
and he's putting the smoke to the vent and then
all of a sudden, he can you know, the betteran
boxing gets hit one time, that champion gets hit one
time in the face, just a little harder than he's
used to getting hit, and you see the eyes kind
of light up.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Like, Okay, listen, young buck. You know that's the thing.
What's every every religion and every color.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Sure, everything has some variation of the proverb pride goeth
before a fall. You know, complacency goes before disaster. Whatever,
however you view or take that, that arrogance that you
have that everything's okay, and hey, I've been celebrated, I've
been venerated. I'm you know, I'm resting on my reputation. Uh,
you tend to get smacked in the mouth after that,
And I think that could be a good thing, especially
(04:20):
in the preseason, where you can, you know, you can
kind of remember that.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Oh yeah, I got to earn it year after year.
It almost reminds me of Mike Tyson. Yeah, everybody's got
a plan to get punch the mount.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Yeah, but but I mean if the Broncos defense, Rob
Dawson's got two look at him back there, you get
two plans before he gets punched in the mouth.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Two plans.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Yeah, that that I don't feel like this defense is
resting on any laurels. They I mean, every single day
in practice they seem to show up. And there's enough
veterans on that team. There's enough playmakers on that team,
and sort of I think even adding Dray green Law
who didn't I didn't see him getting any teamwork. Indy,
we'll see if you get some stuff in tomorrow. Alean
Singleton got a little bit of teamwork in yesterday. But again,
(04:57):
they they're they're bringing these guys along slow. I don't
think that they they're.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Also veterans who have been around the league in long
and offer you know, they don't necessarily.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Need, you know, but there's nobody in that defensive room.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
In my opinion, there's not enough guys in the defensive
room that are saying like, hey man, we're good, like
we're fine, we rived, we've arrived, it's all done. They
still have a lot of hunger. It's very clear. And honestly,
one of the guys for me is Jonathan Cooper. This
kind of VJ was fantastic because you know, he's been
like the biggest Jonathan Cooper guy, right like for anybody, Yes,
this was fantastic since I've been here.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
That's been the same. No one's notice, I guess, but
I've said it eighty five times about Cooper. I mean,
he was our best guy when I first got here.
He's consistent, he's the same guy every single day. He's
the fire stoughter for our defense. He's a physical man.
He's a better rushing if people think he is, he's
a really good football player. And that's the kind of
guys we have on our team. But I mean he is.
(05:52):
He's one of the guys that's it's an example.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Every single day, Jonathan Cooper's been sensational and he's a
guy for this team. If there was even a small
amount of taking plays or series or moments off that,
that doesn't seem like that guy, Like that's just not
how he's built. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Also, did anybody else hear the prodigy in the background
as soon as VJ said he's a fire starter?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I did not. That's why That's why I in my head. Okay,
let's make sure I didn't imagine that, but I guess
I did. Mccoope's been that guy. He is that guy.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
He's not he's not what you would call the best
at anything, but he's really good at a lot of things,
and you know, he sets the edge of the run,
get he does all those things that don't show up
in the stat sheet, and that's I think for VJ.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
You go back and you look.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
At him as head coach of the Broncos, You look
at his ten years defensive quarter and you look for
guys like that, maybe the guys that aren't just heralded
on the stat sheet, but they do all the dirty
little things that add up to make somebody else on
the statuet cash in.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
And that's probably part of the reason Zach Allen is
here too.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
It reminded me a little bit of you, by the way,
with his uh, I've been telling you guys like eighty
five times how good this player is. Because you have
your guys that you tell us you've liked Joonth Cooper,
I'm saying, there's other guy that you've been like, this
is my guy, this is my guy, this my hey,
guys that you hear this is my guy. And then
when they popped, it's like, do you remember the one
hundred times I told you that was my guy.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
I feel like you weren't aggressive enough there at how
much I was shoving it and people saying that this
is the guy out there at practice or whatever, because
I really do.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I do, like like I do go to bat for
my dudes practice.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
So yeah, and then you know, when you miss, we
don't really hear much about it.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
That's because it's never happened. If it ever happens, if
I ever miss someone, I guess we will hear about. Say,
Quad's Barkley.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah, just an example. That was a draft thing. It's
a little different, but is it really though I understand it.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Pounced a lot of carries outside in college and went,
you know, and went to the sideline of whatever. He's
making business decisions, and I was like, all right, then
he gets the prozen to not do that.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Uh, he's leaping over people, spinning around people. We will
get to that dropping the sound in a second. I
did ask Joe Lombardi about RJ. Harvey because there's this
there's this group of people on Twitter that are really
and Zach Segers is part of this, that are really
like digging in on this RJ. Harvey bouncing runs to
the outside, and it was like two of them that
(08:04):
he did that really only one. I mean, he did
bounce outside a lot, but there was one that he
there's one very miss yeah where he might missed a
cutback Claane. But you're going to hear what Joe Lombardi
had to say about that, all right, because I want
to hear that because I made the mistake.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Of asking him about PJ. Harvey and that conversation went nowhere.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I'm assuming it's a family member Prodigy and PJ Harvey
in one segment. I feel like I just time traveled
back to the nineties. You're making me feel old, Ben.
That's bad.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Somebody, Uh, I think it's a Georgia area code too.
I'm not one hundred percent, but I think I'm pretty
sure remember four seven eight being a Georgia area code
back when I was was out there for Gordon.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
So there's a group of Broncos Twitter people, including our
own Zach Seekers.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
I've been Oh, no that I have been. Not Steve Harrington. No,
Steve Harr's such a good fall underrated, I'll take it. Yeah,
going over the R. J.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Harvey film and had some concerns about him bouncing runs.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Outside, I was on the other end of the spectrum.
Here are you though? Yeah, I will read the tweets.
They're public, Please read them. What did you say?
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Anyways, So, Zach Siegers, who does a wonderful job here
at the station, by the way, go read his works.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
What was the article that you just put up my
Broncos soccer port now in Koa. Okay, you go check
it out.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
You're selling, You're not on a lot of young brought
to find out, tune in to find out.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah, nice, all right, well give me one player. You're
buying one player. You're selling very quickly, buying r J Harvey.
How about that Ryan?
Speaker 5 (09:55):
Because of how good he liked in the article, especially
it's the very first one, very top of the article,
and then uh selling Jeremy Cross, I think you pretty segment.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
If there's a segment were to have a movie title,
I would call it Zach Seekers The Desolation of smug
over here.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
All right, so Zach, I'm sorry I loved you in
with the rest of the group out there that this
seemed to be hammering R. J. Harvey for bouncing too
many runs outside. I am sorry, there it is. I mean,
karens did he have in that game?
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I was like seven six, wasn't seven? I've in lockstep
with you. There was one that bad that he was
he was pretty good. Yeah, there's one would be egregiously
missed the cutback lane.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
There were two that he bounced outside that I was
like it probably should not host.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
So I asked Joe Lombardi that a chance to talk
to him, and here's what he said about RJ.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Harvey bouncing runs outside. You know he's been doing it
all camp.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
You know he's there are times maybe where he bounces
it where he wish he hadn't, but usually outruns everybody,
so it works out.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
But he's coming along doing a really good job, and
he just keep getting better.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
There's some interesting things that teens second clip right, because
he says he's been doing it all camp. Because I
asked him about specifically bouncing runs outside, he says, been
doing all scamp. He has the speed to get away
with it, but there are some ones that he probably
should learn to cut back inside. Now, I will say
this last two days of training camp practice that has
(11:19):
been an intention We watched a RJ. Harvey running between
the tackles and he has not been bouncing runs outside.
He's been running very intentionally between the tackles. Is that
vision a concern for you at all? Is that something
that he'll just have to learn.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
You'll have to learn it, You'll have to see it,
because you'll have to get himself out of the habit
of doing what he did in college, which was a
little bit of that.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
And in college he could outrun everybody, right, so you
know that that's one of those things.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Guys that do that in college you got to kind
of you got to kind of retrain themselves to do it,
you know, to slow down a little bit. In the
pro game, the best example I can ever think of
a guy who either outran his blocking or would bounce
it outside, you know, and and frustrate coaches and then
got it later on in his care is Michael Pittman.
I just remember Michael Pittman in Tampa, and he would
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outrun the blocking and bounce stuff outside. It was it
was a source of absolute frustration. And he eventually got
to the point where he slowed down for a second
and let things, let things develop in front of him,
and and got better out. And now part of that
was he put weight on later in his career, you know,
but he was He's probably the prime example I can
(12:27):
think of that that really that had that.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Well, there's a guy I mean, and I brought it
up a couple of days ago. Ronniehillman here was a guy. Yeah,
but he was more of a jump cut you know.
He would jump cut and then he did get himself
in trouble. Yes, I'm not too worried about it, but
it's something that I think just bears monitoring, and and
not only because there were there were holes so especially
especially in the one run and Brian Baldinger, by the way,
he does a really good job with his Baldy breakdowns.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
He went over RJ.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Harvey and he showed a very clear example of where
he needed to but then the other ones that he
pointed out. He said, look, I think he did made
the right call. I think bouncing this outside, especially because
of his speed, if it's all red jerseys in front
of you, just go just just hey, get it, get
outside and get what you can.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Yeah. You know again, I think.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
As he gets more experience, that'll come you just if
you were the guy who was fast enough to do that.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
At college. A lot of guys have been the best
athlete on the field wherever they've been, and Harvey's one.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Of those guys, and so he's gotten used to this
being successful, He'll need to learn from it not being
as successful in the pros, and then he'll be like, Okay,
I need to do something else here because I'm not
fast enough to everybody's got four four speed, you know,
to get that there. So I asked Pat Bryant and
Adam Troutman about Sean Payton's Super Bowl comments, and I
want to.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Hear what I want you guys to hear what they
had to say coming up next, coming up here at
five point thirty. He was out of practices out there
every single day, and I like Cody's level headed, a
pro coach on covering the team. We were just sort
of talking about it in the break about the varying
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levels and once again just before we get to Adam
Trautman and Pap Bryan and I'm not going to say
one is more right than the other. Okay, there's just
varying degrees of coverage and Broncos fans. I mean, you
have your favorites and you have maybe your your less
than favorites.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
But there's does a spectrum of coverage.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Oh, I see Anni DiFranco of of media markets out here,
there are thirty two flavors and then some are.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
You getting some kind of like kickbacks that would spring
to mind that was not planned that PJ Harvey when
I've had in my back pocket for a minute.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yeah, I mean, what is this like? I feel like
I'm being punked another pseudo? Yeah damn, I was close
on that one. I'm just saying, but it just feels
like you you had a goal today. I really didn't like.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
I came into this thing Tabla rossa and you know,
God Jesus trying to confuse me.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
That's what it is. This is all before his time. Yeah. Yeah,
you alive in the ninety barely. We're not in high
school anymore. It's like I was out of high school.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Good.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Anyways, we'll hear from that.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
But I do find it funny because I think that
if Broncos fans subscribe to all of it, just for
a moment, they subscribe to all the coverage, okay, and
I think a lot of them do because we have
a really smart fan base. Then I think you can
parse out and get enough information to get as close
to the truth as possible. There's a triangulation formula here,
(15:35):
which is the way I would suggest you do it,
because again, I see certain things. You see certain things,
Zach Anthony, Dave Logan whenever we're out there, Nick ferguson
the same thing.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
I mean, we all see something different. But then you
go to the different stations in town. We're also out there,
you go to the beat who was also out there,
and I think if you triangulate it to your point,
you will probably get close to it. Because I had
somebody hit me up.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Today earlier says Bonix has been awful over the since
since nine and I know, I know that's but that
is and I'm like, where the heck did you hear that?
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Well, you know, the certain media people have been saying
that he looks.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Awful and the forty nine Ers game he looked awful,
And I'm like, he didn't look awful in the forty
nine Ers game.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
He had a couple of misses.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
But if he hits that road to Courland Sudden that
he dropped, we're probably having a bit of different conversation
about that performance. We're saying, boy, wait, that was a
that was a dime. Margins are what they are, That's
what we're talking about. The break, But that was a
dime to Courland Sudden and he dropped but it would
have made the whole day that the whatever reps he got,
and they may have gone on to score on that drive. Right,
and then we're having a different conversation about Bonix in
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the office.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Boths been fine. Those not been bad. He's not light
in the world on fire, but he's not been bad.
This isn't you know, Mahomes and he's a red preseason
what everybody's like, Oh we got a problem here.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
This guy's this good. This isn't that.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
But he's been okay. They both boths been fine. He's
been better over than okay, right. I mean, it bounces
back and forth. He's also playing against a really good
defense in practice and played Agains the really good defense
in the Niners game. It's not like he's going to
have those kinds of defenses in Week one to two
or whenever they play the Bengals. But you know, I mean,
it's it's give it time. Like it's the same thing
(17:12):
I say with everything. It's the same thing I said
last year when when bo did like the world on fire?
What was that the Colts game? I think it was
I'll say the exact same thing. It was one game.
You take the extremes the goods like last year that
cold game and and the Bads with the Niners game
and meet in the middle. Someone's one game, like, let
the thing play itself out a little bit. We got
time before the season even starts. And so the idea
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that post playing Bads, that's as wrong as those guys
that are like, oh, he's absolutely you know, he's unstoppable.
The fifty yard dime on nobody for a touchdown. You know, Like,
I'm like, just let's relax, guys, Let's just relax a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
We got a good football team.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Maybe we catch some breaks this year, the offense gets
clicking a little earlier this year, and you know, maybe
we wake up in January and we're like, hey, playoff football.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
I agree, I think for you and I sometimes when
we see takes like that, like he's been awful or
something along which is just weird.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
And there was one report the other day.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
That he's disinterested that was out there, and so it's
just when you see stuff like that that becomes difficult.
But once again, I think the cross check can be well,
I will go check in with a different media member
that is out there, or maybe a fan that's sitting
the stands as great. So I've seen some of those
fans out there that are that are really love the
(18:29):
team and will tweet out the life tweet things that
are happening. In practice, I think you can sort of
triangulate it, and that's kind of my point. So, but
the person that hit me up today is that bo
Nix has been awful and I've heard nothing but bad
things about him. Okay, you probably are subscribing to a
certain media member that has a belief that bo Nicks
maybe either.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Should be better than he is or long right now,
something like that.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Whatever they're reasoning to continue to push that narrative, that's
up to them, and I'm sure the fan base that
loves that person is eating all of it up. But
then maybe go check in with some other people that
are out there, including Cody Rourke who's going to join
us here in.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
About fifty minutes and get another perspective. And that's that's all.
It's a little bit of a soap boxy thing, But.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
That's all I wanted to say is because guys like
Cody I would follow throughout the entire process because it's
a very level headed approach to think Zach does a
really good job. I think you do a really good
job as well. But I feel like we sometimes soak
up some of the extreme takes and what it takes.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
To get notices. That's what people do, They do stuff
to get knowed.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
I just like I always tell people I know what
I see out there, and I'm gonna tell you what
I see, but verify with somebody else. You know, if
you trust me, implicitly verify it with somebody else. I
encourage you to do that. Never just take my word
for something, because I'm going to see things through my lens,
which again last year was different than a lot of
other beat writers. And people are very correct.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
You're welcome.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
I love I.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
I just did the whole thing, and then that's what
you learned out of it. And oh I didn't learn anything.
I never learned. I'm sure we'll all learn things. N
us a reference coming out of that.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
In just a second, I asked, So, I just interviewed
Pat Bryant after practice yesterday. Really fun guy, and we
of course had a great time interviewing him after the
draft as well. And then I talked to Adam Troutman today,
and again those interviews are available on demand on the
iHeartRadio app. So I asked both of them about Sean
Payton's Super Bowl comments. I asked, straight up, just Pat,
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what did you think about it? And here's what he said.
Speaker 7 (20:24):
He told us rookies the second day we were here,
he was like, obviously be being a new facility because like,
just imagine how nice it is to go into that
new facility with the Super Bowl trophies.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
It'd be very special. Not too many rookies.
Speaker 7 (20:35):
It's like coming to the league at first it won
a super Bowl, but like as it come out here
in practice every day, it's like it's just not something
that's said, like you can actually see you know what
I'm saying, what it's the best, you know what I'm saying,
pushing us or everything just being polished and perfect.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Like coming out here like college.
Speaker 7 (20:47):
You had practices were up and down, but every day
like the energy's high, no low days, no off days.
So he could definitely tell the vibes it's a championship team.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
He's been a lot of fun to watch out there.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
But for what it's worth, I do like Sean Payton
giving sort of the visual to the rookie class when
they came in, Hey, we got this new building being built.
Can you imagine if we got a chance to bring
Lebardi into there. So that was a cool court sort
of imagery from the coach.
Speaker 8 (21:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
I mean he's trying to plant the seed. That's the
one thing, or one of the things I should say
I like about Sean Payton. He tries to plant the
seed and plant the standard high at that. We're not
out here playing to hope we get in the playoffs.
We're playing to win super Bowls, right, And it's a mindset.
And so like I applaud that part of what Sean
Payton is doing. I think he goes to a little
bit of the extreme and painting a target at times,
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But I do like that and set the standard.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
With the rookies right off the bat. The standard is
we're shooting for super Bowls.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Stick about out And I said, it'll be to put
the you know, to be walking in the new facility with.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Super Bowl in there. You know I get that. I'm
for it to you. You hit it perfectly.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
So that's what I actually asked Adam Troutman about the target,
about the pressure it adds to the team, right, And
I wasn't trying to insinuate that the offense is maybe
having a few hitting a few speed bumps as a
result of the pressure. But I wanted to because he's
a guy, he's a veteran guy, long time he has
and so I asked him about the pressure that it adds.
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If that could be maybe a little bit of a
bad thing at times, I think it's.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
A positive thing.
Speaker 8 (22:11):
I think when you have the right group of guys
mentality wise, it's a good thing. When you don't, it's
a very bad thing. But we have the right guys.
It's a kind of shoulder that expectation, I guess of
coach Payden. And you want to have that feeling like
that's what you want to play for. You don't want
to be the team who's in week you know, thirteen,
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and you're like, oh, we're out of the playoffs and
it's like now it sucks, Like that's just the reality
of it. So you always want to be playing for
something and that's what we're gonna be playing for all year.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
It's a good point. He brings up the right kind
of guys.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
If it's a if it's a really young team, or
maybe a team that doesn't completely buy into the direction
or a quarterback or any of those kinds of things,
but probably would be a weird thing to try to
sell Super Bowl because you know, this time of year,
with maybe the exception of four or five teams, everybody
thinks they can put themselves in position to be not
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only a playoff team, but maybe we catch some breaks
and we can be lucky, we can be hoisting at
Lobardi this year. I mean that there's again we said
about like the Titans of the Saints and the Cleveland
Browns are probably not talking Super Bowl. But most teams
at this point they've worked all off season building a
roster around an.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Idea of what they want to be, and they think
that's a winning formula. And there are teams that you
wouldn't think that have that belief in themselves to do.
For instance, the New York Giants are a football team
that absolutely believes they're going to the playoffs this year.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Absolutely believes it. So we set that.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
I think we sit here, whether it's in Denver otherwise
around the NFL, and we go, you gotta be kidding me, Look.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
At that division, Look at what you've been. You know,
that kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
The New York Giants absolutely believe they are a playoff
caliber football team this year. But on the other side
of the coin, like, that's what you should be doing, right,
you should be thinking you should be setting the standard there, right,
and then what it's the same I've given this quote before.
You know, we set the standard at excellence and if
you're unable to meet, we will thank you kinder for
trying and find people who will so for the Broncos
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as much as there are some people out there with
a little bit of an eye roll, because the Broncos
just made the postseason for the first time in a decade.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Last year they lost, they lost badly to the Buffalo Bills.
They didn't look like they belonged in the same tier. Yeah,
they exactly did not belong in that game.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
When they played the Ravens, they didn't look like they
belonged in the same tier as the Ravens. Now they
were close against the Chiefs with a a division rival.
The division rivals sometimes have a little more familiarity with
each other that but it's again, a very good Chiefs team.
But the point of it is, my expectations are very high.
My expectations are playoffs and at least a win in
the playoffs. If you win the division, you give yourself
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a shot and maybe even getting all the way to
the AFC Championship game, which would be tremendous. But man,
you are going to be measured against the elites in
the AFC and are you ready for that?
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Are you mentally? Are you physically? Are you that team?
Just yet?
Speaker 1 (24:53):
We won't know that until the season starts. We're not
going to learn that, and even in the preseason game
on Saturday. But I do like them messaging, and I
like more specifically guys like Adam Troutman who are framing
this with the way the locker room.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Is absorbing it.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
That was why the way I asked that question. I
wanted to kind of find out how the vets are
feeling about that. And he says, Yeah, the guys in
the locker room, we are the right type of people
to absorb that information and not feel the pressure to
make our coach right, which can definitely crush a team. Yeah,
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
I mean, my thing is, I don't think that there
is a lot of pressure felt yet by this team,
because I think last year was sort of I don't
want to say it was a surprise because there was
an internal belief in the coaching staff in the front
office that they could have a playoff caliber football team.
But I think the players were a little bit more
surprised about how far they got than maybe a lot
of people outside think so. And so I think that
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there's sort of that that kind of kind of optimism
or belief in yourself right now. And I think the
pressure comes if you lose a couple of games goodn't
of and then all of a sudden, you know, Okay,
wait a minute. You know we were talked about as
a super Bowl team. We're losing games. We don't think
we should be losing. What's happening here? And that's where
you find out if you've got mentally strong, you know,
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people in your organization, where as players, coaches, whatever, or
whether or not, you've got people that sort of wilt
under that and the things start of spirals out of control.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
So I'm looking forward to, not looking forward to it.
Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
I'm not trying to say I hope they lose some
games they shouldn't, but I am looking forward to whatever
that moment is in the season where they get punched
in the mouth. How they bounce back from that?
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Certainly because you're right as you know, as difficult as
this conference and division are going to be.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
You lose to the Titans, you lose to the Colts.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Well, there's a scenario where you start two and oh
and then you drop three in a row, you know,
very very easily, you know, and then you you know
to it, Oh you're riding high.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yeah, we definitely got the super Bowl or bust.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
And then you drop three in a row and are
headed to London with no break behind it, and all
of a sudden you're like, well, you know, the Jets
aren't supposed to be good, but work two and three?
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Can we?
Speaker 3 (26:57):
You know, you start losing that confidence at that point.
That's what I'm talking about a scenario. There was a
very real scenario where you drop three in or out
of the Chargers, Bengals and Eagles and then are heading
in the London upside down.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Did you hear any of the k Adams interview with
with Sean and withro sat down and listened to the
whole thing.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Yet it was pretty good. I actually was really proud
of the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
They didn't take the bait because there are so many
moments because she's so disarming and the way that she interviews,
like she has this like we're sitting down here, we're
hanging out, and you know, you can just sort of
tell me anything. And she does get people like Sean,
for example, to tell her anything. And I appreciated how
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there's a moment where she was pressing Sean.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
I don't have the audio, but I can go grab
it here a little bit.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
She was pressing Sean to tell him how much this
team reminds him of the championship team for the Saints,
you know, nine. So she said, does this team remind
you of any of your Saints teams? I think, did
you say twenty eleven? Said twenty eleven.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
But then she's like, no, no, not on nine. And
he said, well, I mean nine we won the championship.
And she's like, yeah, that's exactly right. And he's like, no, no, no,
I'd say twenty twenty eleven is a team. You know,
we were a really good team. She's like, but not
on nine.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Not on nine. He's like, well, I mean sort of, yeah,
there's there's some qualities to that.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
But I appreciate it because there's already this rampant nature
to what Sean is kind of doing, and it feels
it's sort of engulfing. You've got to beat the Chiefs,
like you've got to do. You've got to be measured
against these other teams before. I think people are going
to take that seriously. And I think that's really where
the bayan is going to come in for this team
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more than anything. Yeah, you've got to win the team,
the games that you're supposed to win, so on and
so forth.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
But you're you're.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Talented enough to do that. You can't just show up
and expect it. You're talented enough to be that team.
But now, I think for a lot of people that
are wanting to get into that mindset, it's about, Hey,
the Raven the Bengals, who you are going to see,
the Philadelphia Eagles who just want a championship. How do
you play against him? Do you hang tough and you're
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in there to the fourth quarter and maybe you lose
a tough luck game? Okay, Actually that's that's not the
world's worst thing in the world because you can learn
from that. Early in the season, if you get blown
out by the Philadelphia Eagles, well, what is that going
to do for the overall confidence of the organization in
locker room?
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Yeah, when I first heard that comment, I actually thought
he misspoke and meant the twenty ten Saints, because the
twenty ten Saints had a really good defense, so one
of the better defenses a Sean Payton team ever fielded.
They were like fourth in the league, you know, and
then they wound up losing. Uh, I think they lost
in the wildcard or whatever. They had a top third
league offense, but they had a top defense that year
as opposed to twenty eleven where their defense is actually bad,
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and then twenty twelve, for it was horrible.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
So I thought he just spoke on that.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
But yeah, it was interesting to sort of see him
say that and not take the bait on the Super
Bowl thing, even though he's been, you know, banging that
drum everywhere else.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah, I mean he could have.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
It would have been very easy for him to to
sort of slip into that, but he kind of sort
of stuck to his And then of course Kay also
tried to get Bo and Cortland to say those kinds
of things too, And I would got a lot of respect.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
For those guys that say we have a lot of
work to do. Yeah, yeah, that's going to be doing
this team.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
They know they you know, Bo's better out his dad
long enough that he knows how to do that and
courtlets better on the league long enough that he knows
not to take the cheese on that.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
But it would it would be really easy. It's it's
right there, it's right there to just speak it into existence.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Yeah, but I mean I think, like I said, I
think those guys have been around long enough that you
don't you know, you haven't played a game yet. You know,
maybe if you're if his interview is occurring in week fourteen,
h pointer a can win football team at that point,
then you're talking about, hey we're super Bowl or bus team.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
We don't have her on anything.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
You know there, but you haven't arrived, he you didn
even played a game, And so to set that expectation
before you get out there and there's a there's a
month between now and your first game.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
To set that that sort of expectation through media, I don't.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
I think you're two veteran savvy to do that. Yeah,
that's probably a good point. He did have a really
we played yesterday on the show. We did a really
phenomenal answer when Kay was trying to him to say
he's a top five quarterback or he can be a
top five quarterback, and he said, well, I appreciate my
coach thinks that about me, but we have a lot
to do.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
We have to get better in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
He also had a really great honest moment too, where
he was asked about or she was trying to say
that the practice was really good, really crisp, and holy cow,
this offense looks amazing, and he's like, I didn't think
I had a good practice today.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Good for him, Good for him for the wherewithal the
awareness to say stuff like that, because there have been
some practices that haven't been great from him and all
that it's been up and down. There have been some
more ups and downs, but you know, good for him
to have the awareness to say that. I think if
that question were asked in me, and you know you're
saying you could you be a top five quarterback in
this league, I'm just saying, you know what, I'm just
want to be a top one quarterback in the stadium
that day, you know, that's where that's where my head's
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at and at the at the end of the season.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
If that ends up being top five, so much the better.
My teammates may be better.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
All right, we come back. I have this Joe Lombardi
sound about running backs and passport. I want to get
to also Michael Porter Junior.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Oh my god, you know I know actually which one
you're talking about too. I saw it last night. I'm like, dude,
what are you doing. We'll get to that next
Benjamin Albright, Dave is off to coach. We are going
to hang out with you till six o'clock and then
guess what more? Ben all Bright Country tonight right here
on kol Bright.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Nick Ferguson will also be along, looking forward to that.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Nick was out in practice with me today, so he'll
give his assessment of what we saw.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
We had the JOYT practice tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
We had a question coming in here before we hear
from Adam Trautman on the KWA con spirital text line
five six six nine zero.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
beIN and Ryan.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Have we heard how much the starters are going to
play this week?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I don't think it's been specified.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
But I believe you're going to see a quarter and
a half of the starters again, and then you'll see
next week the third game, the New Orleans game will
basically be backups.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
It's kind of what he did last year, right.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
So they generally like to do like two three series
of the starters in the first game, and then they
like to like kind of almost double that in the
second game, not quite, and then you know they can
give them out.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
And there's something too. They've got some study.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
I've not seen this study, but they apparently have some
study that the way that they do things helps prevent
injury when it comes to the regular season.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
So the Joy practice thing, I found it interesting a
couple of days ago when Sean Payton was talking about
because he sort of consolidated the two of the joy
practice in the.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Game almost as one entity, right it.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
And even though you could you could separate them and
treat them differently, he talked about getting in the work
over the two days as a combined effort, And I
imagine they're going to approach tomorrow's practice along with the
game in a similar way.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
They kind of do. It's an extension of one of another.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
You know, one is labbing some concepts and you know,
and doing some things, and then the others putting them
into practice in a game. Right, That's that's what that
is for the preseason, and that's that's at least what
this particular coaching staff believes.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
And we see that having born out. Here's Vja talking
about what he wants to see in the joint practice.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
I want improvement. You know, I'm doing some things in practice.
I won't do it any games that I'm testing for
the season. I want our guys to obviously, you know,
be at a high standard. I want to finish, I
want almost great rush. I want to go football. I mean,
that's you know this scene coming in tomorrow. I mean,
they ran a ball well last year and this week
against Kansas City. So again it's going to be a
great test for our front and our backing guys cover
(02:12):
and it's quite a good run, you know, So that's
in our rush lane is going to be good against Kyler.
So it's the next test, and I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yeah, I can imagine that it's a different kind of
quarterback you're going to see with Kyler Murray. And I
don't know how many designed runs or scrambles that he'll
end up doing in practice and even in the game,
but it's good to see a.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Player like that.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I thought it was interesting during his press conference today,
the media scrumbs because he was talking about how he
actually liked that they struggled in that first drive. I
gotta imagine for a coach, and this is really no
matter what side of the ball you're on, or even
the head coach, if guys are starting to feel good
about themselves or starting to.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Maybe read some headlines or here's some things around.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
This defense has been nothing but celebrated at every level.
The defensive line, the edge rushers, the linebackers, Oh boy,
Droig Craig Greenlaw when he's out there, this team, and
the secondary, my goodness, you got the defensive player of
the year Riley Moss looks for the fantastic, nothing but flowers.
So when VJ was asked about it, he said, actually,
(03:16):
I'm really glad that happened because we need more moments
of adversity.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah, I mean, and I don't think they struggled. They
give it the one big play, yeah, and that was
kind of it. I mean, honestly, they really did every
everything else they did was the defense was pretty dominated.
But we'll remember for that one play against Jaquan, which
of course he made up for with the interception later.
But you do want to see that, right, You ever
watched you watch a boxing match with like a young
guy going up against the going up against a venerated champion,
(03:41):
and you know, the young guy all of a sudden
comes out there and he's you know, that first round
and he's putting the smoke to the vent and then
all of a sudden, he can you know, the betteran
boxing gets hit one time, that champion gets hit one
time in the face, just a little harder than he's
used to getting hit, and you see the eyes kind
of light up.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Like, Okay, listen, young buck. You know that's the thing.
What's every every religion and every color.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Sure, everything has some variation of the proverb pride goeth
before a fall. You know, complacency goes before disaster. Whatever,
however you view or take that, that arrogance that you
have that everything's okay, and hey, I've been celebrated, I've
been venerated. I'm you know, I'm resting on my reputation. Uh,
you tend to get smacked in the mouth after that,
And I think that could be a good thing, especially
(04:20):
in the preseason, where you can, you know, you can
kind of remember that.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Oh yeah, I got to earn it year after year.
It almost reminds me of Mike Tyson. Yeah, everybody's got
a plan to get punch the mount.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Yeah, but but I mean if the Broncos defense, Rob
Dawson's got two look at him back there, you get
two plans before he gets punched in the mouth.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Two plans.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Yeah, that that I don't feel like this defense is
resting on any laurels. They I mean, every single day
in practice they seem to show up. And there's enough
veterans on that team. There's enough playmakers on that team,
and sort of I think even adding Dray green Law
who didn't I didn't see him getting any teamwork. Indy,
we'll see if you get some stuff in tomorrow. Alean
Singleton got a little bit of teamwork in yesterday. But again,
(04:57):
they they're they're bringing these guys along slow. I don't
think that they they're.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Also veterans who have been around the league in long
and offer you know, they don't necessarily.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Need, you know, but there's nobody in that defensive room.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
In my opinion, there's not enough guys in the defensive
room that are saying like, hey man, we're good, like
we're fine, we rived, we've arrived, it's all done. They
still have a lot of hunger. It's very clear. And honestly,
one of the guys for me is Jonathan Cooper. This
kind of VJ was fantastic because you know, he's been
like the biggest Jonathan Cooper guy, right like for anybody, Yes,
this was fantastic since I've been here.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
That's been the same. No one's notice, I guess, but
I've said it eighty five times about Cooper. I mean,
he was our best guy when I first got here.
He's consistent, he's the same guy every single day. He's
the fire stoughter for our defense. He's a physical man.
He's a better rushing if people think he is, he's
a really good football player. And that's the kind of
guys we have on our team. But I mean he is.
(05:52):
He's one of the guys that's it's an example.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Every single day, Jonathan Cooper's been sensational and he's a
guy for this team. If there was even a small
amount of taking plays or series or moments off that,
that doesn't seem like that guy, Like that's just not
how he's built. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Also, did anybody else hear the prodigy in the background
as soon as VJ said he's a fire starter?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I did not. That's why That's why I in my head. Okay,
let's make sure I didn't imagine that, but I guess
I did. Mccoope's been that guy. He is that guy.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
He's not he's not what you would call the best
at anything, but he's really good at a lot of things,
and you know, he sets the edge of the run,
get he does all those things that don't show up
in the stat sheet, and that's I think for VJ.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
You go back and you look.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
At him as head coach of the Broncos, You look
at his ten years defensive quarter and you look for
guys like that, maybe the guys that aren't just heralded
on the stat sheet, but they do all the dirty
little things that add up to make somebody else on
the statuet cash in.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
And that's probably part of the reason Zach Allen is
here too.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
It reminded me a little bit of you, by the way,
with his uh, I've been telling you guys like eighty
five times how good this player is. Because you have
your guys that you tell us you've liked Joonth Cooper,
I'm saying, there's other guy that you've been like, this
is my guy, this is my guy, this my hey,
guys that you hear this is my guy. And then
when they popped, it's like, do you remember the one
hundred times I told you that was my guy.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
I feel like you weren't aggressive enough there at how
much I was shoving it and people saying that this
is the guy out there at practice or whatever, because
I really do.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I do, like like I do go to bat for
my dudes practice.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
So yeah, and then you know, when you miss, we
don't really hear much about it.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
That's because it's never happened. If it ever happens, if
I ever miss someone, I guess we will hear about. Say,
Quad's Barkley.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah, just an example. That was a draft thing. It's
a little different, but is it really though I understand it.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Pounced a lot of carries outside in college and went,
you know, and went to the sideline of whatever. He's
making business decisions, and I was like, all right, then
he gets the prozen to not do that.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Uh, he's leaping over people, spinning around people. We will
get to that dropping the sound in a second. I
did ask Joe Lombardi about RJ. Harvey because there's this
there's this group of people on Twitter that are really
and Zach Segers is part of this, that are really
like digging in on this RJ. Harvey bouncing runs to
the outside, and it was like two of them that
(08:04):
he did that really only one. I mean, he did
bounce outside a lot, but there was one that he
there's one very miss yeah where he might missed a
cutback Claane. But you're going to hear what Joe Lombardi
had to say about that, all right, because I want
to hear that because I made the mistake.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Of asking him about PJ. Harvey and that conversation went nowhere.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I'm assuming it's a family member Prodigy and PJ Harvey
in one segment. I feel like I just time traveled
back to the nineties. You're making me feel old, Ben.
That's bad.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Somebody, Uh, I think it's a Georgia area code too.
I'm not one hundred percent, but I think I'm pretty
sure remember four seven eight being a Georgia area code
back when I was was out there for Gordon.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
So there's a group of Broncos Twitter people, including our
own Zach Seekers.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
I've been Oh, no that I have been. Not Steve Harrington. No,
Steve Harr's such a good fall underrated, I'll take it. Yeah,
going over the R. J.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Harvey film and had some concerns about him bouncing runs.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Outside, I was on the other end of the spectrum.
Here are you though? Yeah, I will read the tweets.
They're public, Please read them. What did you say?
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Anyways, So, Zach Siegers, who does a wonderful job here
at the station, by the way, go read his works.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
What was the article that you just put up my
Broncos soccer port now in Koa. Okay, you go check
it out.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
You're selling, You're not on a lot of young brought
to find out, tune in to find out.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah, nice, all right, well give me one player. You're
buying one player. You're selling very quickly, buying r J Harvey.
How about that Ryan?
Speaker 5 (09:55):
Because of how good he liked in the article, especially
it's the very first one, very top of the article,
and then uh selling Jeremy Cross, I think you pretty segment.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
If there's a segment were to have a movie title,
I would call it Zach Seekers The Desolation of smug
over here.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
All right, so Zach, I'm sorry I loved you in
with the rest of the group out there that this
seemed to be hammering R. J. Harvey for bouncing too
many runs outside. I am sorry, there it is. I mean,
karens did he have in that game?
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I was like seven six, wasn't seven? I've in lockstep
with you. There was one that bad that he was
he was pretty good. Yeah, there's one would be egregiously
missed the cutback lane.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
There were two that he bounced outside that I was
like it probably should not host.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
So I asked Joe Lombardi that a chance to talk
to him, and here's what he said about RJ.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Harvey bouncing runs outside. You know he's been doing it
all camp.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
You know he's there are times maybe where he bounces
it where he wish he hadn't, but usually outruns everybody,
so it works out.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
But he's coming along doing a really good job, and
he just keep getting better.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
There's some interesting things that teens second clip right, because
he says he's been doing it all camp. Because I
asked him about specifically bouncing runs outside, he says, been
doing all scamp. He has the speed to get away
with it, but there are some ones that he probably
should learn to cut back inside. Now, I will say
this last two days of training camp practice that has
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been an intention We watched a RJ. Harvey running between
the tackles and he has not been bouncing runs outside.
He's been running very intentionally between the tackles. Is that
vision a concern for you at all? Is that something
that he'll just have to learn.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
You'll have to learn it, You'll have to see it,
because you'll have to get himself out of the habit
of doing what he did in college, which was a
little bit of that.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
And in college he could outrun everybody, right, so you
know that that's one of those things.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Guys that do that in college you got to kind
of you got to kind of retrain themselves to do it,
you know, to slow down a little bit. In the
pro game, the best example I can ever think of
a guy who either outran his blocking or would bounce
it outside, you know, and and frustrate coaches and then
got it later on in his care is Michael Pittman.
I just remember Michael Pittman in Tampa, and he would
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outrun the blocking and bounce stuff outside. It was it
was a source of absolute frustration. And he eventually got
to the point where he slowed down for a second
and let things, let things develop in front of him,
and and got better out. And now part of that
was he put weight on later in his career, you know,
but he was He's probably the prime example I can
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think of that that really that had that.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Well, there's a guy I mean, and I brought it
up a couple of days ago. Ronniehillman here was a guy. Yeah,
but he was more of a jump cut you know.
He would jump cut and then he did get himself
in trouble. Yes, I'm not too worried about it, but
it's something that I think just bears monitoring, and and
not only because there were there were holes so especially
especially in the one run and Brian Baldinger, by the way,
he does a really good job with his Baldy breakdowns.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
He went over RJ.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Harvey and he showed a very clear example of where
he needed to but then the other ones that he
pointed out. He said, look, I think he did made
the right call. I think bouncing this outside, especially because
of his speed, if it's all red jerseys in front
of you, just go just just hey, get it, get
outside and get what you can.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Yeah. You know again, I think.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
As he gets more experience, that'll come you just if
you were the guy who was fast enough to do that.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
At college. A lot of guys have been the best
athlete on the field wherever they've been, and Harvey's one.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Of those guys, and so he's gotten used to this
being successful, He'll need to learn from it not being
as successful in the pros, and then he'll be like, Okay,
I need to do something else here because I'm not
fast enough to everybody's got four four speed, you know,
to get that there. So I asked Pat Bryant and
Adam Troutman about Sean Payton's Super Bowl comments, and I
want to.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Hear what I want you guys to hear what they
had to say coming up next, coming up here at
five point thirty. He was out of practices out there
every single day, and I like Cody's level headed, a
pro coach on covering the team. We were just sort
of talking about it in the break about the varying
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levels and once again just before we get to Adam
Trautman and Pap Bryan and I'm not going to say
one is more right than the other. Okay, there's just
varying degrees of coverage and Broncos fans. I mean, you
have your favorites and you have maybe your your less
than favorites.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
But there's does a spectrum of coverage.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Oh, I see Anni DiFranco of of media markets out here,
there are thirty two flavors and then some are.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
You getting some kind of like kickbacks that would spring
to mind that was not planned that PJ Harvey when
I've had in my back pocket for a minute.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yeah, I mean, what is this like? I feel like
I'm being punked another pseudo? Yeah damn, I was close
on that one. I'm just saying, but it just feels
like you you had a goal today. I really didn't like.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
I came into this thing Tabla rossa and you know,
God Jesus trying to confuse me.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
That's what it is. This is all before his time. Yeah. Yeah,
you alive in the ninety barely. We're not in high
school anymore. It's like I was out of high school.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Good.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Anyways, we'll hear from that.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
But I do find it funny because I think that
if Broncos fans subscribe to all of it, just for
a moment, they subscribe to all the coverage, okay, and
I think a lot of them do because we have
a really smart fan base. Then I think you can
parse out and get enough information to get as close
to the truth as possible. There's a triangulation formula here,
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which is the way I would suggest you do it,
because again, I see certain things. You see certain things,
Zach Anthony, Dave Logan whenever we're out there, Nick ferguson
the same thing.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
I mean, we all see something different. But then you
go to the different stations in town. We're also out there,
you go to the beat who was also out there,
and I think if you triangulate it to your point,
you will probably get close to it. Because I had
somebody hit me up.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Today earlier says Bonix has been awful over the since
since nine and I know, I know that's but that
is and I'm like, where the heck did you hear that?
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Well, you know, the certain media people have been saying
that he looks.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Awful and the forty nine Ers game he looked awful,
And I'm like, he didn't look awful in the forty
nine Ers game.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
He had a couple of misses.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
But if he hits that road to Courland Sudden that
he dropped, we're probably having a bit of different conversation
about that performance. We're saying, boy, wait, that was a
that was a dime. Margins are what they are, That's
what we're talking about. The break, But that was a
dime to Courland Sudden and he dropped but it would
have made the whole day that the whatever reps he got,
and they may have gone on to score on that drive. Right,
and then we're having a different conversation about Bonix in
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the office.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Boths been fine. Those not been bad. He's not light
in the world on fire, but he's not been bad.
This isn't you know, Mahomes and he's a red preseason
what everybody's like, Oh we got a problem here.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
This guy's this good. This isn't that.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
But he's been okay. They both boths been fine. He's
been better over than okay, right. I mean, it bounces
back and forth. He's also playing against a really good
defense in practice and played Agains the really good defense
in the Niners game. It's not like he's going to
have those kinds of defenses in Week one to two
or whenever they play the Bengals. But you know, I mean,
it's it's give it time. Like it's the same thing
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I say with everything. It's the same thing I said
last year when when bo did like the world on fire?
What was that the Colts game? I think it was
I'll say the exact same thing. It was one game.
You take the extremes the goods like last year that
cold game and and the Bads with the Niners game
and meet in the middle. Someone's one game, like, let
the thing play itself out a little bit. We got
time before the season even starts. And so the idea
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that post playing Bads, that's as wrong as those guys
that are like, oh, he's absolutely you know, he's unstoppable.
The fifty yard dime on nobody for a touchdown. You know, Like,
I'm like, just let's relax, guys, Let's just relax a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
We got a good football team.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Maybe we catch some breaks this year, the offense gets
clicking a little earlier this year, and you know, maybe
we wake up in January and we're like, hey, playoff football.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
I agree, I think for you and I sometimes when
we see takes like that, like he's been awful or
something along which is just weird.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
And there was one report the other day.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
That he's disinterested that was out there, and so it's
just when you see stuff like that that becomes difficult.
But once again, I think the cross check can be well,
I will go check in with a different media member
that is out there, or maybe a fan that's sitting
the stands as great. So I've seen some of those
fans out there that are that are really love the
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team and will tweet out the life tweet things that
are happening. In practice, I think you can sort of
triangulate it, and that's kind of my point. So, but
the person that hit me up today is that bo
Nix has been awful and I've heard nothing but bad
things about him. Okay, you probably are subscribing to a
certain media member that has a belief that bo Nicks
maybe either.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Should be better than he is or long right now,
something like that.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Whatever they're reasoning to continue to push that narrative, that's
up to them, and I'm sure the fan base that
loves that person is eating all of it up. But
then maybe go check in with some other people that
are out there, including Cody Rourke who's going to join
us here in.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
About fifty minutes and get another perspective. And that's that's all.
It's a little bit of a soap boxy thing, But.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
That's all I wanted to say is because guys like
Cody I would follow throughout the entire process because it's
a very level headed approach to think Zach does a
really good job. I think you do a really good
job as well. But I feel like we sometimes soak
up some of the extreme takes and what it takes.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
To get notices. That's what people do, They do stuff
to get knowed.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
I just like I always tell people I know what
I see out there, and I'm gonna tell you what
I see, but verify with somebody else. You know, if
you trust me, implicitly verify it with somebody else. I
encourage you to do that. Never just take my word
for something, because I'm going to see things through my lens,
which again last year was different than a lot of
other beat writers. And people are very correct.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
You're welcome.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
I love I.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
I just did the whole thing, and then that's what
you learned out of it. And oh I didn't learn anything.
I never learned. I'm sure we'll all learn things. N
us a reference coming out of that.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
In just a second, I asked, So, I just interviewed
Pat Bryant after practice yesterday. Really fun guy, and we
of course had a great time interviewing him after the
draft as well. And then I talked to Adam Troutman today,
and again those interviews are available on demand on the
iHeartRadio app. So I asked both of them about Sean
Payton's Super Bowl comments. I asked, straight up, just Pat,
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what did you think about it? And here's what he said.
Speaker 7 (20:24):
He told us rookies the second day we were here,
he was like, obviously be being a new facility because like,
just imagine how nice it is to go into that
new facility with the Super Bowl trophies.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
It'd be very special. Not too many rookies.
Speaker 7 (20:35):
It's like coming to the league at first it won
a super Bowl, but like as it come out here
in practice every day, it's like it's just not something
that's said, like you can actually see you know what
I'm saying, what it's the best, you know what I'm saying,
pushing us or everything just being polished and perfect.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Like coming out here like college.
Speaker 7 (20:47):
You had practices were up and down, but every day
like the energy's high, no low days, no off days.
So he could definitely tell the vibes it's a championship team.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
He's been a lot of fun to watch out there.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
But for what it's worth, I do like Sean Payton
giving sort of the visual to the rookie class when
they came in, Hey, we got this new building being built.
Can you imagine if we got a chance to bring
Lebardi into there. So that was a cool court sort
of imagery from the coach.
Speaker 8 (21:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
I mean he's trying to plant the seed. That's the
one thing, or one of the things I should say
I like about Sean Payton. He tries to plant the
seed and plant the standard high at that. We're not
out here playing to hope we get in the playoffs.
We're playing to win super Bowls, right, And it's a mindset.
And so like I applaud that part of what Sean
Payton is doing. I think he goes to a little
bit of the extreme and painting a target at times,
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But I do like that and set the standard.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
With the rookies right off the bat. The standard is
we're shooting for super Bowls.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Stick about out And I said, it'll be to put
the you know, to be walking in the new facility with.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Super Bowl in there. You know I get that. I'm
for it to you. You hit it perfectly.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
So that's what I actually asked Adam Troutman about the target,
about the pressure it adds to the team, right, And
I wasn't trying to insinuate that the offense is maybe
having a few hitting a few speed bumps as a
result of the pressure. But I wanted to because he's
a guy, he's a veteran guy, long time he has
and so I asked him about the pressure that it adds.
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If that could be maybe a little bit of a
bad thing at times, I think it's.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
A positive thing.
Speaker 8 (22:11):
I think when you have the right group of guys
mentality wise, it's a good thing. When you don't, it's
a very bad thing. But we have the right guys.
It's a kind of shoulder that expectation, I guess of
coach Payden. And you want to have that feeling like
that's what you want to play for. You don't want
to be the team who's in week you know, thirteen,
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and you're like, oh, we're out of the playoffs and
it's like now it sucks, Like that's just the reality
of it. So you always want to be playing for
something and that's what we're gonna be playing for all year.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
It's a good point. He brings up the right kind
of guys.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
If it's a if it's a really young team, or
maybe a team that doesn't completely buy into the direction
or a quarterback or any of those kinds of things,
but probably would be a weird thing to try to
sell Super Bowl because you know, this time of year,
with maybe the exception of four or five teams, everybody
thinks they can put themselves in position to be not
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only a playoff team, but maybe we catch some breaks
and we can be lucky, we can be hoisting at
Lobardi this year. I mean that there's again we said
about like the Titans of the Saints and the Cleveland
Browns are probably not talking Super Bowl. But most teams
at this point they've worked all off season building a
roster around an.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Idea of what they want to be, and they think
that's a winning formula. And there are teams that you
wouldn't think that have that belief in themselves to do.
For instance, the New York Giants are a football team
that absolutely believes they're going to the playoffs this year.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Absolutely believes it. So we set that.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
I think we sit here, whether it's in Denver otherwise
around the NFL, and we go, you gotta be kidding me, Look.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
At that division, Look at what you've been. You know,
that kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
The New York Giants absolutely believe they are a playoff
caliber football team this year. But on the other side
of the coin, like, that's what you should be doing, right,
you should be thinking you should be setting the standard there, right,
and then what it's the same I've given this quote before.
You know, we set the standard at excellence and if
you're unable to meet, we will thank you kinder for
trying and find people who will so for the Broncos
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as much as there are some people out there with
a little bit of an eye roll, because the Broncos
just made the postseason for the first time in a decade.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Last year they lost, they lost badly to the Buffalo Bills.
They didn't look like they belonged in the same tier. Yeah,
they exactly did not belong in that game.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
When they played the Ravens, they didn't look like they
belonged in the same tier as the Ravens. Now they
were close against the Chiefs with a a division rival.
The division rivals sometimes have a little more familiarity with
each other that but it's again, a very good Chiefs team.
But the point of it is, my expectations are very high.
My expectations are playoffs and at least a win in
the playoffs. If you win the division, you give yourself
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a shot and maybe even getting all the way to
the AFC Championship game, which would be tremendous. But man,
you are going to be measured against the elites in
the AFC and are you ready for that?
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Are you mentally? Are you physically? Are you that team?
Just yet?
Speaker 1 (24:53):
We won't know that until the season starts. We're not
going to learn that, and even in the preseason game
on Saturday. But I do like them messaging, and I
like more specifically guys like Adam Troutman who are framing
this with the way the locker room.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Is absorbing it.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
That was why the way I asked that question. I
wanted to kind of find out how the vets are
feeling about that. And he says, Yeah, the guys in
the locker room, we are the right type of people
to absorb that information and not feel the pressure to
make our coach right, which can definitely crush a team. Yeah,
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
I mean, my thing is, I don't think that there
is a lot of pressure felt yet by this team,
because I think last year was sort of I don't
want to say it was a surprise because there was
an internal belief in the coaching staff in the front
office that they could have a playoff caliber football team.
But I think the players were a little bit more
surprised about how far they got than maybe a lot
of people outside think so. And so I think that
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there's sort of that that kind of kind of optimism
or belief in yourself right now. And I think the
pressure comes if you lose a couple of games goodn't
of and then all of a sudden, you know, Okay,
wait a minute. You know we were talked about as
a super Bowl team. We're losing games. We don't think
we should be losing. What's happening here? And that's where
you find out if you've got mentally strong, you know,
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people in your organization, where as players, coaches, whatever, or
whether or not, you've got people that sort of wilt
under that and the things start of spirals out of control.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
So I'm looking forward to, not looking forward to it.
Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
I'm not trying to say I hope they lose some
games they shouldn't, but I am looking forward to whatever
that moment is in the season where they get punched
in the mouth. How they bounce back from that?
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Certainly because you're right as you know, as difficult as
this conference and division are going to be.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
You lose to the Titans, you lose to the Colts.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Well, there's a scenario where you start two and oh
and then you drop three in a row, you know,
very very easily, you know, and then you you know
to it, Oh you're riding high.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yeah, we definitely got the super Bowl or bust.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
And then you drop three in a row and are
headed to London with no break behind it, and all
of a sudden you're like, well, you know, the Jets
aren't supposed to be good, but work two and three?
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Can we?
Speaker 3 (26:57):
You know, you start losing that confidence at that point.
That's what I'm talking about a scenario. There was a
very real scenario where you drop three in or out
of the Chargers, Bengals and Eagles and then are heading
in the London upside down.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Did you hear any of the k Adams interview with
with Sean and withro sat down and listened to the
whole thing.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Yet it was pretty good. I actually was really proud
of the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
They didn't take the bait because there are so many
moments because she's so disarming and the way that she interviews,
like she has this like we're sitting down here, we're
hanging out, and you know, you can just sort of
tell me anything. And she does get people like Sean,
for example, to tell her anything. And I appreciated how
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there's a moment where she was pressing Sean.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
I don't have the audio, but I can go grab
it here a little bit.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
She was pressing Sean to tell him how much this
team reminds him of the championship team for the Saints,
you know, nine. So she said, does this team remind
you of any of your Saints teams? I think, did
you say twenty eleven? Said twenty eleven.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
But then she's like, no, no, not on nine. And
he said, well, I mean nine we won the championship.
And she's like, yeah, that's exactly right. And he's like, no, no, no,
I'd say twenty twenty eleven is a team. You know,
we were a really good team. She's like, but not
on nine.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Not on nine. He's like, well, I mean sort of, yeah,
there's there's some qualities to that.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
But I appreciate it because there's already this rampant nature
to what Sean is kind of doing, and it feels
it's sort of engulfing. You've got to beat the Chiefs,
like you've got to do. You've got to be measured
against these other teams before. I think people are going
to take that seriously. And I think that's really where
the bayan is going to come in for this team
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more than anything. Yeah, you've got to win the team,
the games that you're supposed to win, so on and
so forth.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
But you're you're.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Talented enough to do that. You can't just show up
and expect it. You're talented enough to be that team.
But now, I think for a lot of people that
are wanting to get into that mindset, it's about, Hey,
the Raven the Bengals, who you are going to see,
the Philadelphia Eagles who just want a championship. How do
you play against him? Do you hang tough and you're
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in there to the fourth quarter and maybe you lose
a tough luck game? Okay, Actually that's that's not the
world's worst thing in the world because you can learn
from that. Early in the season, if you get blown
out by the Philadelphia Eagles, well, what is that going
to do for the overall confidence of the organization in
locker room?
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Yeah, when I first heard that comment, I actually thought
he misspoke and meant the twenty ten Saints, because the
twenty ten Saints had a really good defense, so one
of the better defenses a Sean Payton team ever fielded.
They were like fourth in the league, you know, and
then they wound up losing. Uh, I think they lost
in the wildcard or whatever. They had a top third
league offense, but they had a top defense that year
as opposed to twenty eleven where their defense is actually bad,
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and then twenty twelve, for it was horrible.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
So I thought he just spoke on that.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
But yeah, it was interesting to sort of see him
say that and not take the bait on the Super
Bowl thing, even though he's been, you know, banging that
drum everywhere else.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah, I mean he could have.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
It would have been very easy for him to to
sort of slip into that, but he kind of sort
of stuck to his And then of course Kay also
tried to get Bo and Cortland to say those kinds
of things too, And I would got a lot of respect.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
For those guys that say we have a lot of
work to do. Yeah, yeah, that's going to be doing
this team.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
They know they you know, Bo's better out his dad
long enough that he knows how to do that and
courtlets better on the league long enough that he knows
not to take the cheese on that.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
But it would it would be really easy. It's it's
right there, it's right there to just speak it into existence.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Yeah, but I mean I think, like I said, I
think those guys have been around long enough that you
don't you know, you haven't played a game yet. You know,
maybe if you're if his interview is occurring in week fourteen,
h pointer a can win football team at that point,
then you're talking about, hey we're super Bowl or bus team.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
We don't have her on anything.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
You know there, but you haven't arrived, he you didn
even played a game, And so to set that expectation
before you get out there and there's a there's a
month between now and your first game.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
To set that that sort of expectation through media, I don't.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
I think you're two veteran savvy to do that. Yeah,
that's probably a good point. He did have a really
we played yesterday on the show. We did a really
phenomenal answer when Kay was trying to him to say
he's a top five quarterback or he can be a
top five quarterback, and he said, well, I appreciate my
coach thinks that about me, but we have a lot
to do.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
We have to get better in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
He also had a really great honest moment too, where
he was asked about or she was trying to say
that the practice was really good, really crisp, and holy cow,
this offense looks amazing, and he's like, I didn't think
I had a good practice today.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Good for him, Good for him for the wherewithal the
awareness to say stuff like that, because there have been
some practices that haven't been great from him and all
that it's been up and down. There have been some
more ups and downs, but you know, good for him
to have the awareness to say that. I think if
that question were asked in me, and you know you're
saying you could you be a top five quarterback in
this league, I'm just saying, you know what, I'm just
want to be a top one quarterback in the stadium
that day, you know, that's where that's where my head's
(31:44):
at and at the at the end of the season.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
If that ends up being top five, so much the better.
My teammates may be better.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
All right, we come back. I have this Joe Lombardi
sound about running backs and passport. I want to get
to also Michael Porter Junior.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Oh my god, you know I know actually which one
you're talking about too. I saw it last night. I'm like, dude,
what are you doing. We'll get to that next
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