Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Alfred Williams, my friend, how are you there?
Speaker 2 (00:02):
There?
Speaker 1 (00:02):
It is? Did they move things?
Speaker 3 (00:04):
I think they moved things. Let's see is that better now? Yeah? Hey,
it's been a while since I've been in the studio. Wow,
we've been over at uh, Bronco's.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Park powered by Common Spirit. That's right. You have to
say the whole name. Huh, the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Okay, we've been at uh, we've been where Broncos Park
powered by Common Spirit. There you go, we've been over
there for training camp. So being back in studio, it's
a little weird.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
It's different. It's nice.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
How's the weather over here? It's overcast, little overcast? Overcast? Uh,
a little muggy, a little bit little buggy, any degrees.
It feels like a very Seattle day right now. Are
you starting to get in the moot? Huh?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Yeah, this is this is possibly what we could be.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Looking at on game day. Who is gonna be our
starting quarterback? Oh Nicks, no doubt about it?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Right, Well, I don't think it was a doubt after
roughly the second week of training camp. So this is uh,
this is this is nothing new, and what we're seeing
now is finally what the audience gets to see and
they can see why we've been so upbeat about our
young quarterback and uh, and there's prospects and you know,
(01:15):
there's there were some miscues with the second and third team.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
That's to be expected.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Uh, you would you would have hoped it wouldn't have
been at home on the off side, the holding, some
of those things that got us off schedule. But overall,
I think I think the team is in good shape.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Now. Our offensive line depth.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Is could be an issue, could be an issue, yeah,
but but outside of that, I think we're good at
the running back position. I think they were good at
the wires position. Tight end is looking really good. Uh,
there's just a lot of guys' names that you don't
know on this team yet.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
And I, by the way, I said the similar thing
last night on Broncos React because I was asked about
where my optimism lies with bo Nicks, and I was like,
because I've got to see him more than just the
two games. I can understand if you're a Broncos fan
and all you've seen so far is the two preseason games,
and we can weigh out the value of what you
learn from preseason games sure, but if you just saw
(02:11):
those there were people that called in and said, I
don't know, I feel like I need to see more.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
I need to see more in the regular season.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
I was like, I totally get that, I totally respect that,
and I even, to me a certain extent, I want
to see BONICKX versus ones in game. We saw Bonix
versus ones in practice on Friday against the Packhers.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
That look good.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
But yeah, you said, We've been out there every single
day of training camp. We've been out there in OTAs,
and this is what we've seen. We say, it's seen
the steady progression to this point.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Right, we know more about Bonnicks than we do. Kamala Harris,
Oh my god, I'm just being totally honest.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Speaking of many at the DNC.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
I want to make sure you listen in all week
long DNC coverage at eight o'clock tonight, all present about
Golden Spike roofing.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
There you go, man, But I'm just you know, it's just, uh,
we know more about that guy. We saw him sixty
one times in college. Okay, we saw him in OTAs.
We've seen him now in preseason in preseason games. We
got a pretty good barometer about who he is and
who he intends to be as a player in this league.
(03:16):
So with that being said, I'm not worried about him.
I hope the fan base I think we've kind of
quailed some of the early objections about Bo Nixon its
prospects of being a Denver Bronco this year. I hope
that's gone. I mean, I mean, I don't know what
else you need to see.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
No, Well, I mean again, a lot of people, a
lot of it comes down to how do you view
and judge preseason games, Because it's fair to say, well,
he's going against the backups who went against the backups,
seins the goals, the backups against the Green Bay Packers,
And if you've only seen that, you can compartmentalize that
(03:55):
conversation and say, until we see a non vanilla defensive
low against starting caliber players in a real game that
actually matters, it's tough to really know. But then, and
I think this is an appropriate thing because we said
this last night on our postgame react that the votings
would have gone out and gone.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Three for eleven.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
I think BK and I read in this conversation, if
you've gone out three for eleven two interceptions. Well, gosh,
that would be a different conversation altogether, now, wouldn't it.
We can't have well it's just preseason, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Then well you get you get.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Some people said that yesterday in the postgame comments. Yeah, okay, well,
I mean they listen, man, the Broncos have not been
great with us as a fan base, with the with
the number and quality of quarterbacks that they have been
you know, handing us year after year. This is the
first time that we've had a first round draft pick,
(04:52):
you know that's really looked the parts. I think in
the history of the Denver Broncos. You need to know,
I need to say that again, the Denver Broncos have
never drafted a quarterback in the first round in the
modern era that looks as good as bow Nicks does.
Early on, John Elway was traded for So don't think
(05:13):
that John was here. That would have to be Tommy Maddox,
Jay Cutler, Jay Cutler and Tim Tebow.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
You know, so never forget t bo.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
I mean, I mean, he looks better than what Jake
Cutler did, right, I mean, that's the best, that's the
best drafted guy from the Broncos in the first round.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
I thought you were.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
Reminded people he was a sixth quarterback taken not long ago.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
He is a six quarterback taken, but a first rounder, he's.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
A sixth quarterback. Okay, so now you hear.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
I was just back there with your guys, boss making
sure the pass card cod No, I uh so we
were talking about the game a little bit.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, he's the sixth quarterback taken. And
I think our coaches got it right. I mean, I mean,
and he's a six quarterback taken. What would have happened
if this guy would have had picked number one or two?
I mean number one looks like it's Caleb Williams. He's
made some unbelievable plays so far this preseas.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
I'd like to get Meryl Hodgeohn as soon as we
possibly can.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Oh my goodness, man, Caleb Williams has looked outstanding.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
I just got a text from Cove that he's hiding
out somewhere in the desert.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah. No longer available for comments right now. Have you
guys seen them? Yeah? Some of the highlight plays that
he's made. Oh, absolutely, the throw dunesday for forty five yards. Oh,
he in a three sixty.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
He did, he looked, he looked just like the kid
over there in Kansas City.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I'm like, Okay, this guy is the real deal. I
didn't even know he's an AMBI turner. You know I
didn't either. I mean, maybe he's just a UNI turner.
I have no idea. What the hell are you too?
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Oh my god, yes, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah, turner can't turn to the left. That's what Dave,
my friend, what's up Fellas last night? Uh? Yeah it was.
You know what, I'll be totally honest.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
I will be thrilled when the regular season starts. Just
from a selfish standpoint, Uh, you know, in a regular
season you get fifty three guys, uh, not all of
which can be active for a game. In a preseason,
you have ninety something. So I'm just telling you you're
looking down at the board as fast as you can.
There's numbers coming in. I mean, you know, Andre Smith, quickly,
(07:40):
what numbers? Andre Smith? This is what I This is
what challenges I think play by play guys in the
modern NFL. You see them, You see this number make
a tackle and you immediately look to your safety position
because he's wearing number twenty three.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Right.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
Andre Smith is an inside linebacker wearing number twenty three.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
You know, so, yeah, but I thought the game. I
thought the game was good.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
I again, they you know what we had talked about,
what I'd said even before camp. You want a quarterback
that I think the quarterback play and I said it
before camp started was going to be more efficient this
year than it was last year. And I think after
two and I know, they're just preseason games, so you know,
you wouldn't get too.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Twisted if they had.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Been blown out, and you're not going to get completely
over the moon with the fact that they've looked good.
But I think it's okay to get excited based on
how this team has played offensively the last handful plus years.
I think it's okay to be really excited based on
what we've seen.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
There's been a lot of positivity for certainly from the
fan base today and some from the national media. There
are quite a few and this is what we were
just talking about a moment ago, quite a few out
there that'll stay well, it's still pregame, preseason. It doesn't
really matter. And he eight for nine eighty yards, you know, touchdown.
I'm not not sold yet, and I guess to a
certain extent, nothing will change those people's minds until they
(09:04):
see it in an actual regular season.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
And that's fine.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
I mean, I think, I think if you're open minded
and you look at what the offense has done with
b Nicks the first two games, albeit in preseason, I mean,
to me, it looks a lot different than what the
offense looked like last year in the regular season. And again,
(09:28):
I know that, I know that when the regular season starts,
it's going to be a different thing. I know teams
aren't showing very much. I mean, the Packers had thirty
one guys last night that didn't dress, so you know,
I mean, he got to go against.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Twos and threes.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
I get all that, But I think, again, my fallback
is that this team has struggled so mightily since Peyton
Manning retired to find a quarterback. I think it's okay,
even after two preseason games, to be pretty damn excited
about how that kid goes about his business and the
(10:04):
combination of Bonix and Sean Payton and what Peyton brings
from an offensive acumen standpoint, and then some of the
sort of surrounding pieces I think it has the chance
to be a really exciting season, one.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Hundred percent with you. And you know what I also
liked about last night Alfred is. I did like that
he seemingly corrected some of the things that were talked
about in the first preseason game, Like he didn't come
out and do kind of the same he's doing the
run towards the line, the off platform. I mean, he
did some off platform last night, but it wasn't it
(10:41):
wasn't one of those deals where it seemed like his
inaccuracies were improved, right, It seemed like some of the
things that he was reading out there were improved.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Do you agree, Yeah, I just think the guy is
you know, he had the he had the reputation of
being a guy that was a heady, almost computer like
processor of information. On the touchdown pass to to Tim Patrick,
it was man in the flat looked like he was
(11:11):
there and the defender was in between the rock and
the hard place because he cannot stop and rock back
to Tim Patrick because there literally was somebody right in
front of him and that could have been the target
as well.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
So I thought it was a good decision.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
It was quick and really efficient, like that one play
by itself, can show you the difference between a guy
who is moving quickly, thinking quickly, throwing with accuracy and
one that's not. Because that play easily could have got
pushed all the way to the sideline quarterback could have
(11:49):
pulled the ball down and tried to and try to
run it because he was on the move. But he
made the right decision and it was it was. It
was perfect. Like that's that's that's a perfect play.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
So let me ask you what you said you thought
he had improved on some of the things, like what
like from game one?
Speaker 1 (12:05):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Well, I mean early on and then again we're talking
some of the first drive stuff like the past to
Greg Dulcich, right, I mean that that was it was late.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
Wait helped me. I should know. I called the game.
Are you talking about last night game?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Yeah? It was this.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
It was the stick nod that he was going to
Dulcic right, very very first pass where where Dulcie ran
the stick nod and then he went up the seam
and he tried to fire it in there, but he's
late and only basically the hospital ball at that point
he was trying to get it.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
And his arm get hit on that. Look at it.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
Okay, what else because I can't, I can't.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I can't remember that that that was. This is the
first game.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Oh oh oh okay, yeah, he said.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Going back from the first game. Sorry, maybe I'm misinders
of the question.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
Yeah, I think dulsage on the play you're talking about,
and Nicks might have been a little bit late on that,
but I think that was middle of the field open bender.
I'm not sure that was a stick not but anyway,
so okay, so continue what I'm trying to think of
other things that you're saying. People say, I thought he
got better week two in and then list those I'm
(13:19):
That's what I'm doing.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Yeah. Then and then there was a pass that he
was he was late to vle A uh back in
week one. We won week one because vele didn't play
last night, so we vele A coming coming on an
inbreaking route on the left side. He was he was
behind him on that one. I just thought I thought
his placement overall was a little bit better. I thought
he showed more presidence. I thought he he was grounded
(13:40):
and well, I thought he stayed in the pocket longer
like he's and then again seemingly I didn't time out
his you know, staff of throw. But I'm just saying
it felt like he was in the pocket and he
trusted the protection a little bit better, and he grounded
his feet on some of those throws, versus in the
first game where he was gonna run in towards the
line a little platform and trying to fit fit the
(14:01):
ball downfield.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Okay, I mean is that fair? I mean no, I can't.
I'd have to.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
Look at the two plays, the one to Dulsitch and
the one to Valley to have a honestly to have
an opinion that would matter, because I can't really. I mean,
I remember, I remember the one to Dulcitch. I didn't
remember that as a stick. No, I think the one
to Valley, they were going left to right and Valley's
on the left side of the formation and he runs
a curl. But I'd have to see it to go
(14:26):
back and say yeah, I think he was. I think
he was late there. I just thought Nick's last night,
you know, he there there. I think he's had a
calm this about him right since he got here, and
probably since he was at Oregon, maybe since he was
at Auburn.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
I don't know, but he's just he just has a calm.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
This about him the most that a lot I won't
say most, a lot of young quarterbacks don't have. You know,
when they start to see color, you know, the heart
rate increases and they start trying to get the hell
up out of there, which in a lot of cases
you can't really blame him. But he doesn't seem to
be be that guy. I just think as they go on,
I think he gives this team a chance to really
(15:06):
develop the kind of offense that Sean Payton likes. The
ball will come out, there will be fewer sacks because he,
I think, is going to be the kind of quarterback
that understands, you know, on this particular play on first
and ten, if I don't like this, this and this,
and I can't really escape, it's okay to throw it
(15:28):
in the ground and it's second and ten instead of
second down to nineteen. After the nine yard sack.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Absolutely well, we talked about keeping it on schedule. It's
really cool today, by the way, listening to Bill Belichick
breaking down bow Nicks from last night. Oh, it was fantastic. Oh,
he loved him, He loved him. In fact, here here's
a little bit of it. Bill Belichick, he was on
the Pat McAfee show, talked for a long time about him.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
But here's a little bit of it.
Speaker 6 (15:55):
I'd say, once Sean's sure that bo is ready to go,
and you know, he knows that this is the direction
and he's ready and he just needs some reps out
there and he'll continue to get better, then you know,
I think he'll make that move. Look, he's played well
in preseason, but it's preseason.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
The coverage are as simple. But he's delivered the ball well.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
He's got it out on time, he sees the field well,
he's done a good job of taking care of the ball.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
He's done a good job of extending.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
Some plays and making good decisions with the ball in
his hands under some pressure. So but again it's it's
against very vanilla defenses. I think how it goes in
practice against both the Denver defense and their joint practices
that you know, that's part of it too.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
We just haven't seen those, I think. But he's obviously
done a good job.
Speaker 6 (16:42):
I mean, he's gone in there and played, you know,
very well in a couple of preseason games. So that
doesn't surprise me. He's you know, he's played a lot
of good football in his career.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
It's good.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
It's a good measured approach, right, you have knowledge is preseason,
but you all say he's seeing the field.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Yeah, it's like we talked about it.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
I mean, I think, I think and this is where
and I said this last week, I think this is
where you pay a guy like Sean Payton whatever they
paid him eighteen nineteen twenty million dollars. As they get
into the regular season, there's gonna be some defensive coordinators
they'll stay up really late trying to come up with
and they'll be more exotic defensive game plans thrown against
the Broncos once they get a book on Bonnix than
(17:23):
what we've seen in the last handful of years. That's
just how defensive coordinators handle puffs who are starting quarterbacks.
So now that's where Sean and his offensive staff I
think have to come into play, because they have to
make sure that their expertise battles that coordinator's expertise on
whatever team they're playing, and that hey, I know he's
(17:44):
going to do this. We'll be ready and here's our adjustment.
And I mean, I can't wait to see how it
turns out.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Yeah, the boots and waggles in particular. You know, like
those plays can be killed instantly by a good defense.
That's you know, that's that you've already tipped off. So
it's important that formations don't just tell you it's coming.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
It's got to have some cross motion. It's got to have.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Some different personnel grouping than just a traditional twenty one
personnel grouping. So it's, uh, it's it's but it's interesting
because how a twenty one personnel feels like it's going
to be a run and you know, very often, you
know what, it looked pretty good running in and just
(18:30):
base offense. Yeah, and I'm like, hey, man, listen this judge.
Listen that little house, that little little house, that's a
little iso.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Yeah, I thought that was I thought that was good.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
You know, because they throw taus so much, you know that, uh,
it becomes effective because you're getting guys to run. And
so yeah, man, it's it's it's looking good. I mean, listen,
that's the great. That's the great, Bill Belichick. Belichick talking about,
you know, a quarterback looking good. He had a young
(19:06):
quarterback for the last couple of years and he did
not do him any favors. So he's saying it's a
preseason game. He's saying that he looked good, but don't
forget that he had a rookie first round draft pick and.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
He couldn't stand him. He ruined him, ruined him.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
And by the way, did you see the report about
two a tongue of a law and Brian Flores? Oh
my god, I mean absolutely threw his ass under the bus.
I don't know if Brian Flores will ever become a
head coach after hearing this kid talk.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Yeah, we can get to that coming up next if
you want, because I thought that was riveting.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
I mean just yeah, it's pretty pretty incredible. It's it's incredible.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
But you know, we could almost say the same thing
about Sean Payton and Russell Wilson last last year. When
a coach just doesn't like you, you know what I'm saying, Like,
when a coach doesn't like you, you probably won't get
great results.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
I think you're right that Shaun didn't like him. But
I watched that game over the weekend in Pittsburgh. That's
a different team, a different head coach, a different offense,
a different jersey and a different city and it looked
exactly the same. I honestly I asked this not to
try to be a well I can't say yeah, no,
(20:26):
I can't say that, otherwise my dark side will turn
black and I'll be off the air.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
No man, But I I I watched that game thinking
what is happening, right?
Speaker 5 (20:36):
I mean, you're talking about one of the elite quarterbacks
in the game when he was in Seattle, and I
watch him, I mean in a preseason game of like,
oh my goodness.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
That's what I'm saying. So that's dev vanilla game plan.
That's not a that's not a customized game plan for
Russell Wilson that last game playing the Bills.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
But he's got to be he got to be. I mean, look,
I tell you what. The tackle's got to be better.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
But the ball fall it's the same things. But I
watched it on ESPN today. There's there's throws that are there.
He's just not taking the throws short throws, right, you know.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
And so this is part this is part of the
this is part of the reasoning why you like bo Nicks.
Because the ball's coming out, right, it's coming out, and
you know, like you know, like Ryan said, there are
people who was saying, A he's throwing a lot of
form five.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Those are form five yards that end up going seven. Okay,
you know what I'm saying. That's a really start the
tackle twelve and fifteen. Now you know like those it's
right in the flat last night. Don't tell me. I
mean when he turned it up, we stepped out of
the tackle.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
He listen. I hope he can stay healthy.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
But I'll tell you this, he just runs differently than
any big guy that size that I've seen.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
He just runs differently, right, I mean, and you need
to just give you know, like you know, the best.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Thing you know that I've heard.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
From coaches on the offensive side. This is the best
thing I've ever heard from coaches on the offensive side.
If you can't beat one on one tackling, we shouldn't
give you the ball.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
We're talking about this in the last segment about Tea
Tonya bay Lawa.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Who is on? Who is he on with?
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Yeah? Dan Levatard, Yeah, Dan Levatard Show, and and Dan
asked him about the difference in coaching he's received from
Mike McDaniel versus Brian Flores, who was his coach when
he was a rookie.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
And here we go to put it in simplest terms.
Speaker 7 (22:36):
If you woke up every morning and I told you
you suck at what you did, that you don't belong
doing what you do, that you shouldn't be here, that
this guy should be here, that you haven't earned this right,
and then you have somebody else come in and tell you, dude,
(22:56):
you are the best fit for this, like you were
at You're it, you are the best whatever you are
this you are that, Like how would it make you
feel listening to one or the other?
Speaker 5 (23:08):
You see what I'm saying, and then you hear it.
Speaker 7 (23:10):
You hear it regardless of what it is, the good
or the bad, and you hear it more and more.
You start to actually believe that, I don't care who
you are, you can be the president of the United States.
You have a terrible person that's telling you things that
you don't want to hear or that you probably shouldn't
be hearing. You're gonna start to believe that about yourself.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
And so that's sort of like what ended up happening.
Speaker 7 (23:33):
And it was, I mean, it's basically it been what
two years of training that out of not just me,
but you know a couple of the guys as well
that have been here since my rookie year all the
way town now.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Wow called them a terrible person. I'll show were you Alan,
What was your reaction to that?
Speaker 3 (23:50):
It just, you know, it just made it sounds like
Brian Flores is never going to be a head coach
in this league again. I mean, it's uh and he
was wrong, you know, like he was wrong. He just
didn't have the offensive personnel to game plan for this kid.
And plus, when you're a young guy. Man, it's like
we always talk about it, it's so hard to win
(24:13):
when you're a rookie in this league at the quarterback position.
It sometimes it just takes a couple of years to
get your bearing. And if you don't have that kind
of timing and you are under the gun to win
right now, you know, it's it's crazy. And I think
the person that he's talking about though, when he said
you shouldn't be here, somebody else should be here, I
(24:35):
think he was talking about Justin Herbert. I think the
entire time Brian Flores wanted Justin Herbert and he didn't
get what he wanted.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
But you know, you go back and you look at it.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
And by the way, that's the same draft as Jordan
Love and Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Just so, just so that you know what that draft
looked like.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
That's Joe Burrow to a Justin Herbert, Jordan Love, Jalen Hurts,
and Brian Flores. I know this for a fact. Brian
Flores wanted Justin Herbert.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Did you ever get coaching like that?
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Dave were a guy just I mean, for whatever reason,
he thought the best way to motivate you would be
to just tell you how bad you are at everything.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
I mean, I think every I think every player that
plays more than you know, or it plays a certain
number of years, you're going to encounter coaches that don't
like you that whatever, you're not their style of player,
or they might not like you personally. I mean, so yeah,
(25:37):
I mean not many, fortunately, but but I had a
couple for sure. I think that and Alan I talk
about this all the time. I think that. I mean,
I think there are some really good coaches in the NFL,
I really do, and then I think there are some
guys that aren't very good coaches, and they're in the now.
(26:00):
I'm not even talking specifically about Brian Flores, because everything
I've heard about him in terms of his football.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Action has been good.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
On the defensive side has been really really good.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
But sometimes.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
Sometimes well, first, I'll go back on my point. There
are guys coaching the league that I don't think are
very good football coaches. They got there in a variety
of ways. They got there because they knew the head coach,
or the coordinator wanted to bring him, or he worked
with him at Tennessee, or there's all sorts of avenues.
You know, he was a quality control guy, and then
(26:38):
they really okay, step dad, you know, and all of
a sudden, here they are, here, they are coaching. And
then there are some guys that that probably are just
not cut out to be head coaches. There's not because
they can't handle part of being a head coach and
having having a relationship with You gotta a relationship not
just with the room that you visually coach or the
(27:01):
side of the building that you individually. You got to
have a relationship with those players. You gotta have a
relationship with the GM, the scouts, everybody in that building.
And there are some guys that I think have pretty
damn good football knowledge that are just not cut out
to be head coaches.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
They just that's not them.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
And I think in Brian Flora's case, again, I've heard
nothing but good things about his football acumen. But if
in fact what Tua tongue of Aloa just said is true,
and how some of the things that he said to him,
I mean, maybe Brian Flores thinks that's how you motivate players,
but I'm here to tell you, and especially in today's game,
that just doesn't cut it.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
How about you, al, did you ever have a guy
a coach that thought, Again, it could be coming from
a place of.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 3 (27:50):
I played in Cincinnati, Okay, Okay, yeah, man, that would
mean yes, that's a yeah, I had.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
I had a few coaches.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
But see, well, once you begin, once you get to
free agent status, then you can leave all that behind.
But you got to survive to get the free agency,
you know, and you know, whatever that coach may say
about you to the rest of the NFL community, when
you go to another organization, what they say about you
is the truth. And so he got a chance to
(28:21):
turn that around right there in Miami, which was crazy
because right before that, Miami did the exact same thing.
To Ryan Tannehill who goes over to the Tennessee Titans
and turned his career around.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Because he has a coach who loves him in Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
You see what I'm saying, Like, it's just.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
And so when we start talking about we start talking
about whether or not a quarterback in particular will work
with head coach slash offensive play caller. Yeah, his quarterback
will work with him. He may not like the other
quarterback that he got. And most times guys who become
(29:06):
head coach don't get to pick that quarterback. You got
to come in with a resume that's over the top.
You know what I'm saying. You got to come in
with a Super Bowl win already under your belt. You
don't just get to come in here and change our quarterback.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
You know, that's not what VJ got to do. No,
he did not.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
You know that's not what That's not what Vic Fangio
got to do.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
You know what I'm saying, Like, I mean, Searan Payton
didn't get to do it. I mean he did get
to do it, but later year. Yeah, Mom just said initially.
You know what I'm saying, Like, you don't get to
do that. You gotta you gotta roll with what you
got right now. And I just remember.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
Brian draft him like Brian Floyd. No, the GM drafted him.
The GM drafted him number three. Flores was there a
head coach. He was the head coach for sure.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
He wanted he wanted Justin Herbert and some jameson Herbert
with number six.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Tula went number five.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
And sometimes you know what, it might be just as
simple as that. Maybe you get the red ass. You
wanted a guy the GM wanted somebody else. The GM
wins the war in that case. And then what you
have to do as a head coach is you got
to fight the inclination to prove yourself right, improve the
GM wrong. And what you do is you wind out
wind up taking it out on the player right right.
(30:23):
That all that does is move you closer to the
unemployment line because you need that player, even though you're
trying to say, hey man, I mean now, And at
that point, I think most of the NFL would have said, hell, yes,
we would have taken Justin Herbert.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
I don't think there's any any doubt about that. Now.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
Tula has come on since Mike McDaniel went down there.
But I think at the point that Brian Flores was
probably dealing with that in Tula, looking at Herbert in.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
La throwing for four thousand yards as a rookie.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
Saying, I tried to tell y'all, I mean, so you
know that it might be that simple, that might be
the dynamic of of what happened.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Yeah, I tell you what, man, you know this this
is uh, this is just a good lesson about how
to you know, how to handle your team. And I
just think about the great John Fox. And you know,
I say the great John Fox because it's never really
been heavy with him, you know what I'm saying. It's
always been, uh somewhat agreeable. Now, you got a five
(31:24):
hundred record as a coach. But I don't know many
players who hate John Fox.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
No, I don't. I don't either.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
It makes you think, though, just in a bigger picture,
how many quarterbacks specifically go into a situation and the
coaching staff works with them that way, try to motivate
them that way, thinks that that's the way to do.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Just did it to Jones and you end up breaking
that quarterback and then they're burned for the rest of
their career.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
We got one here in Zach Wilson. Yeah, defense is
the differences. I think Jones can't play.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
I mean, he's looked at. I've got a couple of
moments down there, okay.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Mind, I mean, I'm gonna ride with that statement until
he proves proves that statement.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
To be erroneous. And then all this they fellas I
missed for the.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
KA traffic sitters, Dave O'Bryant. That was so cool to
the mile high salute to the crowd. Did you see
Tim Patrick in the locker room after the game. The
guys all huddled around him, celebrating him, and and he's
returned to football. I mean, not, that's cool stuff, man,
Tim Patrick. He's a heart and soul guy, isn't he.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
I think that he represents everything that the working the
NFL player should represent. I mean he's a hard worker
who uh does everything the right way and had two
terrible yields with injury. With that being said, it's still,
you know, up in the air if you ask me
whether or not he's gonna make this team, because there
is one ring, there's one play man, and I don't
(32:52):
know how it's all gonna shake out. But little Jordan
Humphrey caught that ball. Did you see did you see
the striat that he had? He caught that ball in
the middle of traffic, made one guy missed and it
took three defenders to get him down.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Yeah. Actually I got it right here.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
Stood them with a shotgun trips right, single receiver, left
packers bring six, Glitz has picked up. Stoodham Froze, caught
Little Jordan Humphrey with a catch, breaks the tackle, breaks
another tackle, keep four.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
King inside the forty and down to the thirty nine
yard line.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
That's a gain of twenty A strike from Studham to
Lil Jordan Humphrey finally green on the tackle.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
I don't know what you do.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
I mean, are you gonna go with the young guys
that are gonna give you those kind of spectacular plays.
I mean, we're talking about the wide receiver room that
has Courtland Sudden, Josh Reynolds, and supposedly Marvin Mimes is
supposed to be a starter of their But.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
I got a theory on Marvin Mims.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Actually, the kids actually in that position, Troy Franklin, Little
Jordan Humphrey, Von Vley, Von Vley, Brandon Johnson. I mean,
what what are we doing here? I mean Jayden Virgil
look good at the end. Forgot about it.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
You know.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
We we throw him at the back of the of
the pile and he plays special teams. He's a return
and was a great one at Appalachians.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Stay. So Michael Bandy, who had a twenty two yard game, Yes.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Man, So so what what what do we that? That's
a tough decision man. That's a tough room. I mean,
that's a tough room.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Man.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
That's a but still feel good about it. You feel
good about it. But I'm telling you, man.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Well, what would be your raf now?
Speaker 3 (34:30):
This little Jordan Humphrey man is yeah, but you can
he's think having Brandon Marshall.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
He's like having a Brandon Marshall. I'm telling you, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
No, we're jumping a little far ahead here. We're taking
a multi pro bowl. He's he's six four five and
he doesn't go down easily in tackles.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
I've watched him. I should next to him.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
I know.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
He's a big dude and and he blocks in the.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
The National Weather Service in Denver has issued a flash
flood warning for eastern Adams County in northeastern Colorado. Northeastern
Arapido County in northeastern Colorado, West Central Washington County in
northeastern Colorado until seven pm. At three fifty three pm
Mountain daylight time, Stoppler radar indicated thunderstorms producing heavy rain
(35:37):
across the Warren area. Between two point five and three
point five inches of rain have fallen. Additional rainfall a
mounts up to one and are possible. In the Warren area.
Flash flooding is ongoing or expected to begin surely. Hazard
flash flooding caused by thunderstorms. Source radar indicated impact flash
(36:02):
flooding of small creeks and streams, villages, roads, and for
drainage and low lying areas. Some locations that will experience
flash flooding include Shamrock and Last Chance. This includes the
following streams and drainages. East Fork, flum Bush Creek, Muddy Creek,
Tottenwood Creek, Little must Creek, Poison Springs Creek, East Fork,
(36:26):
Little Muddy Creek, plumb Bush Creek, Badrick Creek, and Beaver Creek.
Move to higher ground now. Add quickly to protect your
life and be aware of your surroundings and do not
drive un flooded roads.
Alfred Williams, my friend, how are you there?
Speaker 2 (00:02):
There?
Speaker 1 (00:02):
It is? Did they move things?
Speaker 3 (00:04):
I think they moved things. Let's see is that better now? Yeah? Hey,
it's been a while since I've been in the studio. Wow,
we've been over at uh, Bronco's.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Park powered by Common Spirit. That's right. You have to
say the whole name. Huh, the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Okay, we've been at uh, we've been where Broncos Park
powered by Common Spirit. There you go, we've been over
there for training camp. So being back in studio, it's
a little weird.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
It's different. It's nice.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
How's the weather over here? It's overcast, little overcast? Overcast? Uh,
a little muggy, a little bit little buggy, any degrees.
It feels like a very Seattle day right now. Are
you starting to get in the moot? Huh?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Yeah, this is this is possibly what we could be.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Looking at on game day. Who is gonna be our
starting quarterback? Oh Nicks, no doubt about it?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Right, Well, I don't think it was a doubt after
roughly the second week of training camp. So this is uh,
this is this is nothing new, and what we're seeing
now is finally what the audience gets to see and
they can see why we've been so upbeat about our
young quarterback and uh, and there's prospects and you know,
(01:15):
there's there were some miscues with the second and third team.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
That's to be expected.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Uh, you would you would have hoped it wouldn't have
been at home on the off side, the holding, some
of those things that got us off schedule. But overall,
I think I think the team is in good shape.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Now. Our offensive line depth.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Is could be an issue, could be an issue, yeah,
but but outside of that, I think we're good at
the running back position. I think they were good at
the wires position. Tight end is looking really good. Uh,
there's just a lot of guys' names that you don't
know on this team yet.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
And I, by the way, I said the similar thing
last night on Broncos React because I was asked about
where my optimism lies with bo Nicks, and I was like,
because I've got to see him more than just the
two games. I can understand if you're a Broncos fan
and all you've seen so far is the two preseason games,
and we can weigh out the value of what you
learn from preseason games sure, but if you just saw
(02:11):
those there were people that called in and said, I
don't know, I feel like I need to see more.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
I need to see more in the regular season.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
I was like, I totally get that, I totally respect that,
and I even, to me a certain extent, I want
to see BONICKX versus ones in game. We saw Bonix
versus ones in practice on Friday against the Packhers.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
That look good.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
But yeah, you said, We've been out there every single
day of training camp. We've been out there in OTAs,
and this is what we've seen. We say, it's seen
the steady progression to this point.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Right, we know more about Bonnicks than we do. Kamala Harris,
Oh my god, I'm just being totally honest.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Speaking of many at the DNC.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
I want to make sure you listen in all week
long DNC coverage at eight o'clock tonight, all present about
Golden Spike roofing.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
There you go, man, But I'm just you know, it's just, uh,
we know more about that guy. We saw him sixty
one times in college. Okay, we saw him in OTAs.
We've seen him now in preseason in preseason games. We
got a pretty good barometer about who he is and
who he intends to be as a player in this league.
(03:16):
So with that being said, I'm not worried about him.
I hope the fan base I think we've kind of
quailed some of the early objections about Bo Nixon its
prospects of being a Denver Bronco this year. I hope
that's gone. I mean, I mean, I don't know what
else you need to see.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
No, Well, I mean again, a lot of people, a
lot of it comes down to how do you view
and judge preseason games, Because it's fair to say, well,
he's going against the backups who went against the backups,
seins the goals, the backups against the Green Bay Packers,
And if you've only seen that, you can compartmentalize that
(03:55):
conversation and say, until we see a non vanilla defensive
low against starting caliber players in a real game that
actually matters, it's tough to really know. But then, and
I think this is an appropriate thing because we said
this last night on our postgame react that the votings
would have gone out and gone.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Three for eleven.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
I think BK and I read in this conversation, if
you've gone out three for eleven two interceptions. Well, gosh,
that would be a different conversation altogether, now, wouldn't it.
We can't have well it's just preseason, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Then well you get you get.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Some people said that yesterday in the postgame comments. Yeah, okay, well,
I mean they listen, man, the Broncos have not been
great with us as a fan base, with the with
the number and quality of quarterbacks that they have been
you know, handing us year after year. This is the
first time that we've had a first round draft pick,
(04:52):
you know that's really looked the parts. I think in
the history of the Denver Broncos. You need to know,
I need to say that again, the Denver Broncos have
never drafted a quarterback in the first round in the
modern era that looks as good as bow Nicks does.
Early on, John Elway was traded for So don't think
(05:13):
that John was here. That would have to be Tommy Maddox,
Jay Cutler, Jay Cutler and Tim Tebow.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
You know, so never forget t bo.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
I mean, I mean, he looks better than what Jake
Cutler did, right, I mean, that's the best, that's the
best drafted guy from the Broncos in the first round.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
I thought you were.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
Reminded people he was a sixth quarterback taken not long ago.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
He is a six quarterback taken, but a first rounder, he's.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
A sixth quarterback. Okay, so now you hear.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
I was just back there with your guys, boss making
sure the pass card cod No, I uh so we
were talking about the game a little bit.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, he's the sixth quarterback taken. And
I think our coaches got it right. I mean, I mean,
and he's a six quarterback taken. What would have happened
if this guy would have had picked number one or two?
I mean number one looks like it's Caleb Williams. He's
made some unbelievable plays so far this preseas.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
I'd like to get Meryl Hodgeohn as soon as we
possibly can.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Oh my goodness, man, Caleb Williams has looked outstanding.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
I just got a text from Cove that he's hiding
out somewhere in the desert.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah. No longer available for comments right now. Have you
guys seen them? Yeah? Some of the highlight plays that
he's made. Oh, absolutely, the throw dunesday for forty five yards. Oh,
he in a three sixty.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
He did, he looked, he looked just like the kid
over there in Kansas City.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I'm like, Okay, this guy is the real deal. I
didn't even know he's an AMBI turner. You know I
didn't either. I mean, maybe he's just a UNI turner.
I have no idea. What the hell are you too?
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Oh my god, yes, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah, turner can't turn to the left. That's what Dave,
my friend, what's up Fellas last night? Uh? Yeah it was.
You know what, I'll be totally honest.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
I will be thrilled when the regular season starts. Just
from a selfish standpoint, Uh, you know, in a regular
season you get fifty three guys, uh, not all of
which can be active for a game. In a preseason,
you have ninety something. So I'm just telling you you're
looking down at the board as fast as you can.
There's numbers coming in. I mean, you know, Andre Smith, quickly,
(07:40):
what numbers? Andre Smith? This is what I This is
what challenges I think play by play guys in the
modern NFL. You see them, You see this number make
a tackle and you immediately look to your safety position
because he's wearing number twenty three.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Right.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
Andre Smith is an inside linebacker wearing number twenty three.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
You know, so, yeah, but I thought the game. I
thought the game was good.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
I again, they you know what we had talked about,
what I'd said even before camp. You want a quarterback
that I think the quarterback play and I said it
before camp started was going to be more efficient this
year than it was last year. And I think after
two and I know, they're just preseason games, so you know,
you wouldn't get too.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Twisted if they had.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Been blown out, and you're not going to get completely
over the moon with the fact that they've looked good.
But I think it's okay to get excited based on
how this team has played offensively the last handful plus years.
I think it's okay to be really excited based on
what we've seen.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
There's been a lot of positivity for certainly from the
fan base today and some from the national media. There
are quite a few and this is what we were
just talking about a moment ago, quite a few out
there that'll stay well, it's still pregame, preseason. It doesn't
really matter. And he eight for nine eighty yards, you know, touchdown.
I'm not not sold yet, and I guess to a
certain extent, nothing will change those people's minds until they
(09:04):
see it in an actual regular season.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
And that's fine.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
I mean, I think, I think if you're open minded
and you look at what the offense has done with
b Nicks the first two games, albeit in preseason, I mean,
to me, it looks a lot different than what the
offense looked like last year in the regular season. And again,
(09:28):
I know that, I know that when the regular season starts,
it's going to be a different thing. I know teams
aren't showing very much. I mean, the Packers had thirty
one guys last night that didn't dress, so you know,
I mean, he got to go against.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Twos and threes.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
I get all that, But I think, again, my fallback
is that this team has struggled so mightily since Peyton
Manning retired to find a quarterback. I think it's okay,
even after two preseason games, to be pretty damn excited
about how that kid goes about his business and the
(10:04):
combination of Bonix and Sean Payton and what Peyton brings
from an offensive acumen standpoint, and then some of the
sort of surrounding pieces I think it has the chance
to be a really exciting season, one.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Hundred percent with you. And you know what I also
liked about last night Alfred is. I did like that
he seemingly corrected some of the things that were talked
about in the first preseason game, Like he didn't come
out and do kind of the same he's doing the
run towards the line, the off platform. I mean, he
did some off platform last night, but it wasn't it
(10:41):
wasn't one of those deals where it seemed like his
inaccuracies were improved, right, It seemed like some of the
things that he was reading out there were improved.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Do you agree, Yeah, I just think the guy is
you know, he had the he had the reputation of
being a guy that was a heady, almost computer like
processor of information. On the touchdown pass to to Tim Patrick,
it was man in the flat looked like he was
(11:11):
there and the defender was in between the rock and
the hard place because he cannot stop and rock back
to Tim Patrick because there literally was somebody right in
front of him and that could have been the target
as well.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
So I thought it was a good decision.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
It was quick and really efficient, like that one play
by itself, can show you the difference between a guy
who is moving quickly, thinking quickly, throwing with accuracy and
one that's not. Because that play easily could have got
pushed all the way to the sideline quarterback could have
(11:49):
pulled the ball down and tried to and try to
run it because he was on the move. But he
made the right decision and it was it was. It
was perfect. Like that's that's that's a perfect play.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
So let me ask you what you said you thought
he had improved on some of the things, like what
like from game one?
Speaker 1 (12:05):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Well, I mean early on and then again we're talking
some of the first drive stuff like the past to
Greg Dulcich, right, I mean that that was it was late.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
Wait helped me. I should know. I called the game.
Are you talking about last night game?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Yeah? It was this.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
It was the stick nod that he was going to
Dulcic right, very very first pass where where Dulcie ran
the stick nod and then he went up the seam
and he tried to fire it in there, but he's
late and only basically the hospital ball at that point
he was trying to get it.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
And his arm get hit on that. Look at it.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
Okay, what else because I can't, I can't.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I can't remember that that that was. This is the
first game.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Oh oh oh okay, yeah, he said.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Going back from the first game. Sorry, maybe I'm misinders
of the question.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
Yeah, I think dulsage on the play you're talking about,
and Nicks might have been a little bit late on that,
but I think that was middle of the field open bender.
I'm not sure that was a stick not but anyway,
so okay, so continue what I'm trying to think of
other things that you're saying. People say, I thought he
got better week two in and then list those I'm
(13:19):
That's what I'm doing.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Yeah. Then and then there was a pass that he
was he was late to vle A uh back in
week one. We won week one because vele didn't play
last night, so we vele A coming coming on an
inbreaking route on the left side. He was he was
behind him on that one. I just thought I thought
his placement overall was a little bit better. I thought
he showed more presidence. I thought he he was grounded
(13:40):
and well, I thought he stayed in the pocket longer
like he's and then again seemingly I didn't time out
his you know, staff of throw. But I'm just saying
it felt like he was in the pocket and he
trusted the protection a little bit better, and he grounded
his feet on some of those throws, versus in the
first game where he was gonna run in towards the
line a little platform and trying to fit fit the
(14:01):
ball downfield.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Okay, I mean is that fair? I mean no, I can't.
I'd have to.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
Look at the two plays, the one to Dulsitch and
the one to Valley to have a honestly to have
an opinion that would matter, because I can't really. I mean,
I remember, I remember the one to Dulcitch. I didn't
remember that as a stick. No, I think the one
to Valley, they were going left to right and Valley's
on the left side of the formation and he runs
a curl. But I'd have to see it to go
(14:26):
back and say yeah, I think he was. I think
he was late there. I just thought Nick's last night,
you know, he there there. I think he's had a
calm this about him right since he got here, and
probably since he was at Oregon, maybe since he was
at Auburn.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
I don't know, but he's just he just has a calm.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
This about him the most that a lot I won't
say most, a lot of young quarterbacks don't have. You know,
when they start to see color, you know, the heart
rate increases and they start trying to get the hell
up out of there, which in a lot of cases
you can't really blame him. But he doesn't seem to
be be that guy. I just think as they go on,
I think he gives this team a chance to really
(15:06):
develop the kind of offense that Sean Payton likes. The
ball will come out, there will be fewer sacks because he,
I think, is going to be the kind of quarterback
that understands, you know, on this particular play on first
and ten, if I don't like this, this and this,
and I can't really escape, it's okay to throw it
(15:28):
in the ground and it's second and ten instead of
second down to nineteen. After the nine yard sack.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Absolutely well, we talked about keeping it on schedule. It's
really cool today, by the way, listening to Bill Belichick
breaking down bow Nicks from last night. Oh, it was fantastic. Oh,
he loved him, He loved him. In fact, here here's
a little bit of it. Bill Belichick, he was on
the Pat McAfee show, talked for a long time about him.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
But here's a little bit of it.
Speaker 6 (15:55):
I'd say, once Sean's sure that bo is ready to go,
and you know, he knows that this is the direction
and he's ready and he just needs some reps out
there and he'll continue to get better, then you know,
I think he'll make that move. Look, he's played well
in preseason, but it's preseason.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
The coverage are as simple. But he's delivered the ball well.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
He's got it out on time, he sees the field well,
he's done a good job of taking care of the ball.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
He's done a good job of extending.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
Some plays and making good decisions with the ball in
his hands under some pressure. So but again it's it's
against very vanilla defenses. I think how it goes in
practice against both the Denver defense and their joint practices
that you know, that's part of it too.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
We just haven't seen those, I think. But he's obviously
done a good job.
Speaker 6 (16:42):
I mean, he's gone in there and played, you know,
very well in a couple of preseason games. So that
doesn't surprise me. He's you know, he's played a lot
of good football in his career.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
It's good.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
It's a good measured approach, right, you have knowledge is preseason,
but you all say he's seeing the field.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Yeah, it's like we talked about it.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
I mean, I think, I think and this is where
and I said this last week, I think this is
where you pay a guy like Sean Payton whatever they
paid him eighteen nineteen twenty million dollars. As they get
into the regular season, there's gonna be some defensive coordinators
they'll stay up really late trying to come up with
and they'll be more exotic defensive game plans thrown against
the Broncos once they get a book on Bonnix than
(17:23):
what we've seen in the last handful of years. That's
just how defensive coordinators handle puffs who are starting quarterbacks.
So now that's where Sean and his offensive staff I
think have to come into play, because they have to
make sure that their expertise battles that coordinator's expertise on
whatever team they're playing, and that hey, I know he's
(17:44):
going to do this. We'll be ready and here's our adjustment.
And I mean, I can't wait to see how it
turns out.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Yeah, the boots and waggles in particular. You know, like
those plays can be killed instantly by a good defense.
That's you know, that's that you've already tipped off. So
it's important that formations don't just tell you it's coming.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
It's got to have some cross motion. It's got to have.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Some different personnel grouping than just a traditional twenty one
personnel grouping. So it's, uh, it's it's but it's interesting
because how a twenty one personnel feels like it's going
to be a run and you know, very often, you
know what, it looked pretty good running in and just
(18:30):
base offense. Yeah, and I'm like, hey, man, listen this judge.
Listen that little house, that little little house, that's a
little iso.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Yeah, I thought that was I thought that was good.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
You know, because they throw taus so much, you know that, uh,
it becomes effective because you're getting guys to run. And
so yeah, man, it's it's it's looking good. I mean, listen,
that's the great. That's the great, Bill Belichick. Belichick talking about,
you know, a quarterback looking good. He had a young
(19:06):
quarterback for the last couple of years and he did
not do him any favors. So he's saying it's a
preseason game. He's saying that he looked good, but don't
forget that he had a rookie first round draft pick and.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
He couldn't stand him. He ruined him, ruined him.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
And by the way, did you see the report about
two a tongue of a law and Brian Flores? Oh
my god, I mean absolutely threw his ass under the bus.
I don't know if Brian Flores will ever become a
head coach after hearing this kid talk.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Yeah, we can get to that coming up next if
you want, because I thought that was riveting.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
I mean just yeah, it's pretty pretty incredible. It's it's incredible.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
But you know, we could almost say the same thing
about Sean Payton and Russell Wilson last last year. When
a coach just doesn't like you, you know what I'm saying, Like,
when a coach doesn't like you, you probably won't get
great results.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
I think you're right that Shaun didn't like him. But
I watched that game over the weekend in Pittsburgh. That's
a different team, a different head coach, a different offense,
a different jersey and a different city and it looked
exactly the same. I honestly I asked this not to
try to be a well I can't say yeah, no,
(20:26):
I can't say that, otherwise my dark side will turn
black and I'll be off the air.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
No man, But I I I watched that game thinking
what is happening, right?
Speaker 5 (20:36):
I mean, you're talking about one of the elite quarterbacks
in the game when he was in Seattle, and I
watch him, I mean in a preseason game of like,
oh my goodness.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
That's what I'm saying. So that's dev vanilla game plan.
That's not a that's not a customized game plan for
Russell Wilson that last game playing the Bills.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
But he's got to be he got to be. I mean, look,
I tell you what. The tackle's got to be better.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
But the ball fall it's the same things. But I
watched it on ESPN today. There's there's throws that are there.
He's just not taking the throws short throws, right, you know.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
And so this is part this is part of the
this is part of the reasoning why you like bo Nicks.
Because the ball's coming out, right, it's coming out, and
you know, like you know, like Ryan said, there are
people who was saying, A he's throwing a lot of
form five.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Those are form five yards that end up going seven. Okay,
you know what I'm saying. That's a really start the
tackle twelve and fifteen. Now you know like those it's
right in the flat last night. Don't tell me. I
mean when he turned it up, we stepped out of
the tackle.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
He listen. I hope he can stay healthy.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
But I'll tell you this, he just runs differently than
any big guy that size that I've seen.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
He just runs differently, right, I mean, and you need
to just give you know, like you know, the best.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Thing you know that I've heard.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
From coaches on the offensive side. This is the best
thing I've ever heard from coaches on the offensive side.
If you can't beat one on one tackling, we shouldn't
give you the ball.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
We're talking about this in the last segment about Tea
Tonya bay Lawa.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Who is on? Who is he on with?
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Yeah? Dan Levatard, Yeah, Dan Levatard Show, and and Dan
asked him about the difference in coaching he's received from
Mike McDaniel versus Brian Flores, who was his coach when
he was a rookie.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
And here we go to put it in simplest terms.
Speaker 7 (22:36):
If you woke up every morning and I told you
you suck at what you did, that you don't belong
doing what you do, that you shouldn't be here, that
this guy should be here, that you haven't earned this right,
and then you have somebody else come in and tell you, dude,
(22:56):
you are the best fit for this, like you were
at You're it, you are the best whatever you are
this you are that, Like how would it make you
feel listening to one or the other?
Speaker 5 (23:08):
You see what I'm saying, and then you hear it.
Speaker 7 (23:10):
You hear it regardless of what it is, the good
or the bad, and you hear it more and more.
You start to actually believe that, I don't care who
you are, you can be the president of the United States.
You have a terrible person that's telling you things that
you don't want to hear or that you probably shouldn't
be hearing. You're gonna start to believe that about yourself.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
And so that's sort of like what ended up happening.
Speaker 7 (23:33):
And it was, I mean, it's basically it been what
two years of training that out of not just me,
but you know a couple of the guys as well
that have been here since my rookie year all the
way town now.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Wow called them a terrible person. I'll show were you Alan,
What was your reaction to that?
Speaker 3 (23:50):
It just, you know, it just made it sounds like
Brian Flores is never going to be a head coach
in this league again. I mean, it's uh and he
was wrong, you know, like he was wrong. He just
didn't have the offensive personnel to game plan for this kid.
And plus, when you're a young guy. Man, it's like
we always talk about it, it's so hard to win
(24:13):
when you're a rookie in this league at the quarterback position.
It sometimes it just takes a couple of years to
get your bearing. And if you don't have that kind
of timing and you are under the gun to win
right now, you know, it's it's crazy. And I think
the person that he's talking about though, when he said
you shouldn't be here, somebody else should be here, I
(24:35):
think he was talking about Justin Herbert. I think the
entire time Brian Flores wanted Justin Herbert and he didn't
get what he wanted.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
But you know, you go back and you look at it.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
And by the way, that's the same draft as Jordan
Love and Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Just so, just so that you know what that draft
looked like.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
That's Joe Burrow to a Justin Herbert, Jordan Love, Jalen Hurts,
and Brian Flores. I know this for a fact. Brian
Flores wanted Justin Herbert.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Did you ever get coaching like that?
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Dave were a guy just I mean, for whatever reason,
he thought the best way to motivate you would be
to just tell you how bad you are at everything.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
I mean, I think every I think every player that
plays more than you know, or it plays a certain
number of years, you're going to encounter coaches that don't
like you that whatever, you're not their style of player,
or they might not like you personally. I mean, so yeah,
(25:37):
I mean not many, fortunately, but but I had a
couple for sure. I think that and Alan I talk
about this all the time. I think that. I mean,
I think there are some really good coaches in the NFL,
I really do, and then I think there are some
guys that aren't very good coaches, and they're in the now.
(26:00):
I'm not even talking specifically about Brian Flores, because everything
I've heard about him in terms of his football.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Action has been good.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
On the defensive side has been really really good.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
But sometimes.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
Sometimes well, first, I'll go back on my point. There
are guys coaching the league that I don't think are
very good football coaches. They got there in a variety
of ways. They got there because they knew the head coach,
or the coordinator wanted to bring him, or he worked
with him at Tennessee, or there's all sorts of avenues.
You know, he was a quality control guy, and then
(26:38):
they really okay, step dad, you know, and all of
a sudden, here they are, here, they are coaching. And
then there are some guys that that probably are just
not cut out to be head coaches. There's not because
they can't handle part of being a head coach and
having having a relationship with You gotta a relationship not
just with the room that you visually coach or the
(27:01):
side of the building that you individually. You got to
have a relationship with those players. You gotta have a
relationship with the GM, the scouts, everybody in that building.
And there are some guys that I think have pretty
damn good football knowledge that are just not cut out
to be head coaches.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
They just that's not them.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
And I think in Brian Flora's case, again, I've heard
nothing but good things about his football acumen. But if
in fact what Tua tongue of Aloa just said is true,
and how some of the things that he said to him,
I mean, maybe Brian Flores thinks that's how you motivate players,
but I'm here to tell you, and especially in today's game,
that just doesn't cut it.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
How about you, al, did you ever have a guy
a coach that thought, Again, it could be coming from
a place of.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 3 (27:50):
I played in Cincinnati, Okay, Okay, yeah, man, that would
mean yes, that's a yeah, I had.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
I had a few coaches.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
But see, well, once you begin, once you get to
free agent status, then you can leave all that behind.
But you got to survive to get the free agency,
you know, and you know, whatever that coach may say
about you to the rest of the NFL community, when
you go to another organization, what they say about you
is the truth. And so he got a chance to
(28:21):
turn that around right there in Miami, which was crazy
because right before that, Miami did the exact same thing.
To Ryan Tannehill who goes over to the Tennessee Titans
and turned his career around.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Because he has a coach who loves him in Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
You see what I'm saying, Like, it's just.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
And so when we start talking about we start talking
about whether or not a quarterback in particular will work
with head coach slash offensive play caller. Yeah, his quarterback
will work with him. He may not like the other
quarterback that he got. And most times guys who become
(29:06):
head coach don't get to pick that quarterback. You got
to come in with a resume that's over the top.
You know what I'm saying. You got to come in
with a Super Bowl win already under your belt. You
don't just get to come in here and change our quarterback.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
You know, that's not what VJ got to do. No,
he did not.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
You know that's not what That's not what Vic Fangio
got to do.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
You know what I'm saying, Like, I mean, Searan Payton
didn't get to do it. I mean he did get
to do it, but later year. Yeah, Mom just said initially.
You know what I'm saying, Like, you don't get to
do that. You gotta you gotta roll with what you
got right now. And I just remember.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
Brian draft him like Brian Floyd. No, the GM drafted him.
The GM drafted him number three. Flores was there a
head coach. He was the head coach for sure.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
He wanted he wanted Justin Herbert and some jameson Herbert
with number six.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Tula went number five.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
And sometimes you know what, it might be just as
simple as that. Maybe you get the red ass. You
wanted a guy the GM wanted somebody else. The GM
wins the war in that case. And then what you
have to do as a head coach is you got
to fight the inclination to prove yourself right, improve the
GM wrong. And what you do is you wind out
wind up taking it out on the player right right.
(30:23):
That all that does is move you closer to the
unemployment line because you need that player, even though you're
trying to say, hey man, I mean now, And at
that point, I think most of the NFL would have said, hell, yes,
we would have taken Justin Herbert.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
I don't think there's any any doubt about that. Now.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
Tula has come on since Mike McDaniel went down there.
But I think at the point that Brian Flores was
probably dealing with that in Tula, looking at Herbert in.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
La throwing for four thousand yards as a rookie.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
Saying, I tried to tell y'all, I mean, so you
know that it might be that simple, that might be
the dynamic of of what happened.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Yeah, I tell you what, man, you know this this
is uh, this is just a good lesson about how
to you know, how to handle your team. And I
just think about the great John Fox. And you know,
I say the great John Fox because it's never really
been heavy with him, you know what I'm saying. It's
always been, uh somewhat agreeable. Now, you got a five
(31:24):
hundred record as a coach. But I don't know many
players who hate John Fox.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
No, I don't. I don't either.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
It makes you think, though, just in a bigger picture,
how many quarterbacks specifically go into a situation and the
coaching staff works with them that way, try to motivate
them that way, thinks that that's the way to do.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Just did it to Jones and you end up breaking
that quarterback and then they're burned for the rest of
their career.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
We got one here in Zach Wilson. Yeah, defense is
the differences. I think Jones can't play.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
I mean, he's looked at. I've got a couple of
moments down there, okay.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Mind, I mean, I'm gonna ride with that statement until
he proves proves that statement.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
To be erroneous. And then all this they fellas I
missed for the.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
KA traffic sitters, Dave O'Bryant. That was so cool to
the mile high salute to the crowd. Did you see
Tim Patrick in the locker room after the game. The
guys all huddled around him, celebrating him, and and he's
returned to football. I mean, not, that's cool stuff, man,
Tim Patrick. He's a heart and soul guy, isn't he.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
I think that he represents everything that the working the
NFL player should represent. I mean he's a hard worker
who uh does everything the right way and had two
terrible yields with injury. With that being said, it's still,
you know, up in the air if you ask me
whether or not he's gonna make this team, because there
is one ring, there's one play man, and I don't
(32:52):
know how it's all gonna shake out. But little Jordan
Humphrey caught that ball. Did you see did you see
the striat that he had? He caught that ball in
the middle of traffic, made one guy missed and it
took three defenders to get him down.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Yeah. Actually I got it right here.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
Stood them with a shotgun trips right, single receiver, left
packers bring six, Glitz has picked up. Stoodham Froze, caught
Little Jordan Humphrey with a catch, breaks the tackle, breaks
another tackle, keep four.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
King inside the forty and down to the thirty nine
yard line.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
That's a gain of twenty A strike from Studham to
Lil Jordan Humphrey finally green on the tackle.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
I don't know what you do.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
I mean, are you gonna go with the young guys
that are gonna give you those kind of spectacular plays.
I mean, we're talking about the wide receiver room that
has Courtland Sudden, Josh Reynolds, and supposedly Marvin Mimes is
supposed to be a starter of their But.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
I got a theory on Marvin Mims.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Actually, the kids actually in that position, Troy Franklin, Little
Jordan Humphrey, Von Vley, Von Vley, Brandon Johnson. I mean,
what what are we doing here? I mean Jayden Virgil
look good at the end. Forgot about it.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
You know.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
We we throw him at the back of the of
the pile and he plays special teams. He's a return
and was a great one at Appalachians.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Stay. So Michael Bandy, who had a twenty two yard game, Yes.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Man, So so what what what do we that? That's
a tough decision man. That's a tough room. I mean,
that's a tough room.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Man.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
That's a but still feel good about it. You feel
good about it. But I'm telling you, man.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Well, what would be your raf now?
Speaker 3 (34:30):
This little Jordan Humphrey man is yeah, but you can
he's think having Brandon Marshall.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
He's like having a Brandon Marshall. I'm telling you, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
No, we're jumping a little far ahead here. We're taking
a multi pro bowl. He's he's six four five and
he doesn't go down easily in tackles.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
I've watched him. I should next to him.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
I know.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
He's a big dude and and he blocks in the.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
The National Weather Service in Denver has issued a flash
flood warning for eastern Adams County in northeastern Colorado. Northeastern
Arapido County in northeastern Colorado, West Central Washington County in
northeastern Colorado until seven pm. At three fifty three pm
Mountain daylight time, Stoppler radar indicated thunderstorms producing heavy rain
(35:37):
across the Warren area. Between two point five and three
point five inches of rain have fallen. Additional rainfall a
mounts up to one and are possible. In the Warren area.
Flash flooding is ongoing or expected to begin surely. Hazard
flash flooding caused by thunderstorms. Source radar indicated impact flash
(36:02):
flooding of small creeks and streams, villages, roads, and for
drainage and low lying areas. Some locations that will experience
flash flooding include Shamrock and Last Chance. This includes the
following streams and drainages. East Fork, flum Bush Creek, Muddy Creek,
Tottenwood Creek, Little must Creek, Poison Springs Creek, East Fork,
(36:26):
Little Muddy Creek, plumb Bush Creek, Badrick Creek, and Beaver Creek.
Move to higher ground now. Add quickly to protect your
life and be aware of your surroundings and do not
drive un flooded roads.
Popular Podcasts
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
24/7 News: The Latest
The latest news in 4 minutes updated every hour, every day.
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.