Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Accident Studio.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Ryan Edwards with you five six, six, one zero again
tomorrow tomorrow's show.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
I'll be out of course field.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
The Rockies are going to play the Cubs get to
throw out the first pitch.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
We gave away some tickets earlier this week.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
What kind of pitch are you gonna throw? You know,
whatever gets it there? That's uh, yeah, I've been asked.
So we had Rick Lewis, who is the color analyst
for the roncos on and he's done this a few
times and he was coaching me up and he's like,
whatever you do, it can't bounce to the plates, Like
even even if you overthrow it, even if you just
throw it into the backstop. He's like, I don't care.
It has to it has to get there. Well, you're
(00:32):
on a mound, which is different. Well, they don't even
put me on the mound though. Okay, I hope you
can get it to the plates. That's you're in front
of the mount, in front of them mount. Okay, you
get grass?
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Yeah? Yeah, have you been practicing at all? Well, that's
the thing is, no, I haven't. Why Well are you
going to throw it at all?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Open raining a lot?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yeah, because you definitely can't throw in the rain. I
did one night. I was telling Dave and and Ben.
I did one night where I went out into the.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Rain and through the ball with my oldest daughter and
it was raining and everything, but we went out there
just to see. I am for years, like four years
ago was the last time I did this, so I
have no expectation whatsoever, like what's going to look like.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
So I went out there and threw it.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I was like, all right, well, I know that if
I just if I just play catch, if I just
go out there with Dinger, it's going to be catching.
And I just play catch with Dinger, I should be fine.
And that's that says my mindset. But people are trying, oh,
you gotta go wind up, you gotta go from the stretch.
And I'm like, if I overcomplicated, this thing is going
to be an absolute disaster. And the one thing I
want Nate more than anything else in the entire world
(01:37):
is to not be remembered.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Oh in this case.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I mean other things, yes, but in this thing, I
do not want to be memorable.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
I wanted to.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I don't want to be on Sports Center.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I don't want to because you know what's going to
happen if you if you're one of the bad ones,
like the fifty cents of the world right where it's
going sideways and then it follows you forever.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
So that's my goal you're gonna do it? Is that
a good enough goal? Or is that if I you know, I.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Think you should want to hit the strike zone.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
That's a goal, you know for sure?
Speaker 1 (02:07):
So he doesn't have to move his feet to get
to the ball.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
The ball, I think that's the goal. To dive for
the ball. That would be good. Yeah, you're right. Yeah,
I don't want him because he's he he When I
did it four.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Years ago, he crouched right like a catcher, So yeah,
I don't want him to stand up and get it.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Yeah, that would be bad too.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
So h But I did a whole wind up then,
like I was, are you gonna yeah, how are you
gonna You're gonna play it up?
Speaker 3 (02:29):
You're gonna make it dramatic? What are you gonna do?
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Like? You know, is he gonna give you some signs
you're gonna No, I shook.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Off the side of the last time you did.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I was really proud of myself for that. I did
that for Brett, for Ben because he said you got
to shake him off. I'm like, I got enough going
through my head. I'm not gonna do it.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
And then I got out there like, you know what,
I may never be here again to shake him off,
shake him off. And then, man, you don't.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Understand though you.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Dave Logan has been crushing me for years on this thing,
like the video that's out there.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Of me throwing.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I didn't think it was that bad, but he has
said it's one of the worst things he's ever seen
in his life. And now he played baseball, so Dave
has a different mindset about these things. But he said
it's one of the worst first pitches he's ever seen,
and he compares it to the fifty cents of the world.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
And it's not fair because.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
I actually got its dinger and he caught it like
it didn't bounce, it didn't He got there and it
was it was a little off the plate.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Whatever, Well, you get a chance to redeem yourself. Yeah,
that's it. You're coachable.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
I don't know, Well, you give me some pointers as
an athlete, what do I.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
If you can throw, you can throw. If you can't throw,
you can't throw. I don't know. You know what I mean, Like, yeah,
at this point, I don't think you could learn it throw.
It's like Tim Tebow trying to learn how to throw
when he gets to the NFL. You're not gonna work
on your throwing technique once you get to the end.
You get out there on the mound, man, you just
gotta channel your your kid like throwing a rock in
a in a river. Man. Okay, did you throw? Did
(03:56):
you grow up throwing stuff? No? Okay, really were screwed.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
No.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
I played golf and I played chess, and I was
a guitar player. Like as a musician, Wow, I record
a bunch of albums. I can help me in this situation.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Yeah, Chess is not going to help you out there,
no it so I can help you at all? Yeah,
check mate.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Your's like, wait, what, so.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
How did you get into sports if you were a
guitar player and a golfer and a chess guy.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
It's remarkable, right, so very quick.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
So I was around radio stations a lot in music,
and I just thought it was cool. And so I
was actually a flower delivery driver as a musician, because
you know, you don't actually make a lot of money
being a musician, even as a touring musician, you don't
really make a lot of money. And I heard an
ad on one of the stations in town and they
(04:45):
were saying, hey, you could do this, and I said
that would be fun. Wow, And then I am you
a sports fan. I listened to it a lot of it,
and I watched football my dad.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
I have watched a football game. I'm aware of the sport,
it exists.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
I knew that it's like that.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Seeing stepbrotherers with the tuxedos like that was my version
of the resume.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
I like football. I know what it looks like.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
So then I got into it, and you know, a
lot of this business.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
We were talking about the media business in the break
and we will get back to the Broncos here in
just a second, I promise, just small side. We're talking
about the media business. So much of it is the
way you communicate, right. It isn't always about the knowledge,
as we can tell by some people that are still
doing this, especially in the East Coast, but no offense,
it isn't. It's about how you present it and it's
(05:33):
about communicating and so much of what we do. So yes,
you've got to have a I think a base level
knowledge of what you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Otherwise it just sounds confusing.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
But if you have a base level of knowledge and
you can argue, you can communicate, and you can do
those kinds of things in an entertaining fashion, well you
can carve out a career forever doing this as long
as people like you.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Yeah, does that mean you've given up the guitar.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
I don't do it as much.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
I play the girls every so often when they when
they ask, but it's it's been a minute. Do you
sing as well?
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And this sort of scratches that itch
if you will of performing on stage. Yeah, Like I
did that for so many years and I missed it,
and then you know, getting into this gave me that.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Opportunity to kind of do that more often.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
But I thought about starting a podcast when you can
do both.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Well, this is podcast, by the way, on the completely
free and totally awesome my Heart Radio app. We podcast
this show after the fact, so that that's that's my podcast.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
I else, Yeah, theoretic, I want to hear you play someday. Yeah,
some day your grant that is not you do not
need to go play the song. Yeah, I want to
hear it.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
We're good. We got Nate Jackson zoo.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
So when we come back, I do want to talk
about the offensive line. I want to talk about the
change in philosophical view from power gap to wide zone
and which they're going to be doing. And you, of course,
I think have some very keen insight into those kinds of.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
Do you know what I'm about?
Speaker 3 (07:00):
See a Ryan, You're going to do great.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Get the voices out of your head and visualize the
ball being thrown, run over the plates so you can
do it.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Anybody on there saying Ryan, you are going to screw
this up.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
On Monday when I announced that this was going to happen,
there were quite a few of those. But part of
that is like Dave's family texting in. I think that's
just the natural thing, and I'm listen, I'm fine with it.
I will cover both sides of this conversation in my
own head. Either way, I can visualize it going well,
and I can visualize it going terribly, and in the
end I'm hoping somewhere in between.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Well, it's a normal.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Thing to picture the worst case scenario. It is a
normal thing to picture yourself screwing up you want to
im mensely cover you know, all the eventualities or possible
things that could happen, but then you just don't dwell
on the bad one and say, how do I avoid
that thing?
Speaker 3 (07:48):
I think we'd add sports psychologists to your resume now.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
I was thinking about pursuing that degree. I'm just saying,
like the media thing, you know, doesn't work out, and.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Then the sports care of the Karen where you have
to that's right, we have to take photos of guy's legs.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Don't remind me. That's the worst part of it. That's
what I really feel like a narc Right, You're like,
you know.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Taking pictures of their socks. There's what is it, twelve
thousand dollars?
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Fine? Seriously?
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yeah, oh and come on, the NFL's a little a
little pocket on that.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Yeah, they are right. I'm not the only one.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
That they're in there in your pre in the pocket.
But you know what I'm saying, Yeah, that's kind of ridiculous.
It is ridiculous if they really wanted to stop it,
and I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Okay, yeah, I want you to keep the job, So
don't say too much here exactly, but good luck this
next year. I hope you make the NFL some extra money.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
I guess quick thing though, about these undershirts that these
guys wear. Okay, because like you know, in recket my day,
we didn't wear like these long undershirts. Nobody would ever
do that. But now there's like the style to wear
these long undershirts, and technically that is a uniform violation.
But you know, I wrote it down a couple times
for a couple of guys. They didn't get fine for
these undershirt. So the league doesn't really care about the undershirts.
(09:02):
But these undershirts cost the Broncos two touchdowns last year.
Marvin MAM's his undershirt at the five yard line against
the Rams. Okay, little Jordan Humphrey got his undershirt tugged
on a pass in the end zone. I remember that
that didn't get called and it went off his fingertips.
So you so, did you did you say something? Well? No,
(09:24):
because they don't want to hear its. Hey man, you know, no,
I didn't. I didn't. I didn't.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
I didn't send this in.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
But I'm just let you know, well, you know, I
let Flip know, and Flip is the manager and he's like, well,
what are you gonna do? Like, it's the style. It's
the style, you know, the players like the way it looks,
and and it is what it is. That if the
league isn't gonna find him for it, they're not going
to find him for it. But for me, like, you know,
that's an extra thing for someone to grab onto as
you're running past them.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
But you're working in these margins, say two touchdowns when
the season could could be the difference of the playoffs lost.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
They lost to the Rams on the road.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
There, that's right there, there you go.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Yeah, and I don't remember which game that was for L. J. Humphrey,
but oh I can't remember that either. But I do
remember though that was a whole image. Yeah it was
a home game.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
I just can't remember the mental image of it. But yes,
that is absolutely the case. Okay, so we're gonna have
been all Bright joining usyet about ten minutes with the
latest of Michael Parsons. What happened with that trade and
how it went down, the philosophical shift it. We'll come
back to this a little bit too, because this is
a bit of a shorter segment. But the philosophical shifts,
why Is it happening in your opinion that the Broncos
(10:28):
have opted to go more wide zone this year along
the offensive line?
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Do we know they're going to do that?
Speaker 3 (10:33):
They have.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Literally every offensive lineman is out there saying it.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Joe Lombardies talked about it. So now again you said
game day, well, I guess they could pull a Kaiser Sosi, honest,
and all of a sudden they're going right back to
what they were.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
But I'd say, right now, what.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
We've seen in practice, what we've seen out there in
the preseason, this is what they're doing well. When you
feel like you have athletic, agile lineman who can run
the wide zone is really good because they move latterly
at the snap, which forced the defense to also move
latterly at the snap and negotiate sideways movements. Defense likes
to attack up the field. They don't like to move
(11:08):
side to side, and when you make a move side
to side, it makes them uncomfortable. It's easier to block them,
and if you're skilled at that, and you work as
a unit as an offensive line, you can really open
up some big holes for running backs. But the running
backs are going to have to play a little bit
of a different game. It's not a gap scheme where
they know exactly where the hole is going to be.
The hole could open up anywhere, and they got to
be able to put one foot in the ground and
(11:29):
make that cut and go downhill wherever that hole opens up.
So it's a little bit of a different skill set
for the running back, but it opens up the play
action pass and really is an advantage for a mobile quarterback.
And that's what bo is right. You know, you remember
Jake Plumber being here getting outside the pocket, then Shannon
Shark running free across the field. Those deep crosses that
(11:50):
those tight ends do are made so wide open because
the effectiveness of the running game and once you become
a believable blocker and the whole unit moves in unison,
guys are running free in the passing game, and so
Athletic got offensive lineman getting the defense off kilter, doing
things that the movements they don't like, and really opening
(12:12):
up the passing game for these guys down the field.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Okay, all right, And that's why we're seeing the shift,
like the shift is happening because what they did last year.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
But also what they did last year didn't really work
didn't work.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
They didn't. They didn't They weren't a good running team.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
But they could have just blamed when they sort of did,
they just blamed it on the running backs. But they
could have just said, it's just the running backs. We
were going to replace the running backs, We're gonna keep
what we're doing on the offensive line.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
But they did both.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Yeah, And I think it's a mentality when it comes
to running the football. It's not just about, you know,
getting new running backs. I mean, you saw these new
running backs to r J. Harvey didn't look a whole
lot better than Jevante Williams last year, right, true, Because
to me, it's about setting the tone and committing to
the run and being having a philosophy of running the football.
And you know, the Broncos under Sean Payton haven't really
(12:56):
had that, but the Saints under Sean Payton didn't necessarily have.
So how much are we hoping Sean Payton turns into
something that he isn't? What we do want him to
do is just win games and score a ton of points, okay,
and then the balance really matter, you know, And if
you get off to Big Lee's early in the game,
then you could run the football and then the numbers
look balanced, but you really threw it to get ahead,
(13:16):
and then you ran it to secure the clock.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
So there's a lot of different ways to win a game.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Sean Payton has his way, and I think that employing
the gap scheme and this wide zone is a really
effective way of doing it. The Shanahan office was the
same way we did both.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
We'll come back to this conversation on the other side.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Now's your chance to thank a teacher with iHeartRadio Power
to buy Donors Shoes nominated Outstanding public school teacher who's
gone above and beyond for their students to win five
thousand dollars to stock the classroom. Helen Campos, the teacher
at Bradley International School in Denver, is nominated. Helen worked
with her students and their families to bridge the connection
between home and school, making parents feel like an active
(13:54):
part of learning. You can nominate your favorite teachers right
now at iHeartRadio dot com Slashed Teachers.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
We'll right back on KWA.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Maybe I should check out Ricky Scoops on Twitter, who
seemed to have this on Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
On Tuesday, Micah.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Parsons to the Green Bay Packers four years, one hundred
and eighty eight million, one hundred and thirty six million
guaranteed forty seven per So, Ben, you I don't know,
you've been saying for a while.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
You you didn't really think this was going to happen.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
So I underestimated Jerry's ability to shoot himself in both feet.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
You know, Jerry Jones likes to He loves the drama.
He loves all the pageantry, he loves all that stuff.
He sees the pt bartom of the NFL. He loves
to have all the attention on the Cowboys, positive or negative. Uh,
and usually costs himself in the end doing stuff like this.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
The same This is the same thing we went through with.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
Ceedee Lamb last year, except they ultimately just just paid him.
And in this particular case, you know, they green Bay
put an offer on the table on Tuesday. They started,
you know, working, trying to work Dallas. You know, the
other way. Dallas reached out back out to the Raiders
who had offered before.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
They wanted brock Bauers.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
That was a non starter.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
Green Bay continue to get the thing hammered out done
and got the deal done. And they got it done.
They finished it up this morning. I got it started
it last night while Jerry was at Georgie down there
in the Steakhouse Downer in Dallas, and they got it
done this morning.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Wow. Can we shift gears a little bit of Marvin
Mims and see how although we don't want to shoot
him shifting gears too fast? Right now? Well, what happened?
Speaker 5 (15:29):
How about you're not going You're not funny, It's gonna
be fine. Yeah, groin injury, you know, you want to
be careful with that. You always want to be careful
with that, and those things can linger. It's the two
injuries I think that the three injuries I think that
link linger the most growin injuries hamstrings and turf toe. Uh,
they just they just linger. Uh, And so you want
to be careful with that. But you know, they put
(15:50):
him on on rest until Monday. He didn't go down
like he had he had the injury. He didn't go down,
but he did kind of hopp Well at was point
during practice that it happened. Was he late in practice?
We were all in fact, we were back here at
that point. But according to people who were there, you know,
moves to the ground.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
He didn't go down.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
He did get helped off by the Traders, but that
was precautionary. He was limping a little bit. But in
the end, Uh, they expect him to be fine by
the start of the season. Yeah, Sean said, help you
back practicing Monday.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
I did think you.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I talked about this a little bit yesterday. There were
a lot of people maybe in then Nate Jackson realm
of saying, I wish we had Devon Vley still here.
You can't plant listen, Nate with all and I knew
all our doers.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
The President Club.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
I'm just gonna say, like, first of all, they kind
of played different positions as wide receivers, right like what
you were going to use Marvin Mims for.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
You may not use the same thing with Devon Bailey.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
And secondly, you can't prepare for every eventuality with injury.
I'm just gonna let people know right now, there's probably
gonna be an injury to a wide receiver throughout the
course of the season, and there might be a moment.
There may be a moment that you say Von Bailey
could have caught that, or Devon Bailey would be valuable
to have here. At the same time, you have to
make decisions under the circumstances of the moment you're in
(17:04):
and they opted.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
To do this, Well, what if that fourth round pick
that they got, they draft him and that guy sucks
well and he does, and he didn't hit on that one.
They now they hit on a lot of guys. They're
very smart in the draft. Don't don't let.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
BIG's negativity rub off on you.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
That guy's awesome, and he very well might be, but
he won't be awesome this year. That's true for the Broncos.
He won't help him win this year. And my belief
was that Devon vle could help them win this year. Okay,
and the Super Bowl window has opened. Let me ask
you this, let me ask you this real quick, and
then I want to ask you about Nick Benino bin.
But let's just say usually there's five up on game
(17:43):
day for wide receivers, not six. It's pretty it's kind
of tough by the numbers to get props on the help.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
So then I guess that would be Pat Bryant. So
then at that point, Troy could be Pat could be
one week.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
But then see that's where that's where the issue lies.
Because if Devon Vailey is that valuable then what are
we really talking about.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Probably you should not make him inactive if he's that Vale.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Look, Pat Bryant had a good camp, Troy Franklin had
a good camp. Devon Valley was still ahead of them.
I don't think they surpassed him, did they. I mean
he was exactly He was the camp darling last year.
Devon Vley was darling this year, and then he was
a little banged up, had to sit down a little bit.
A very reliable target, came up with some big catches,
(18:31):
secure hands, hard to tackle, big game kind of a player.
You don't just find those guys growing on trees. And
the fact they got him the seventh round doesn't mean
wolf We're gonna find another guy like him in the
seventh round or even in the fourth round.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
I think Devon Vailey is a player.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
I know he's older, but if your windows open now
in the next two or three years, he can help
you win and get there. I didn't like to see
him go because I know he's a very good football player.
You don't sell me. I'm with you on that. I'm
I'm Devon Valley fan five at hotmail dot com. It's weird, weird,
that's spelled m al. But whatever I think the I
(19:09):
think that you when you get an offer like that, though,
you got to consider. I mean, that's just that's at
point value on the drafts card. That's the how that's
the same as the George That's better than the George
Pickens trade. It's getting to those leaguered cowboys. That's better
than what the uh the Raiders got for Devantae Adams
when they gets traded for him. Right, But it also
shows you what this team thinks of this guy, and
that's got to make you pause as well. Maybe maybe
(19:31):
he's better than we think he is, uh, or maybe
they're desperate for a receiver. I just don't like to
let good players walk out the building, Guys who've been
part of the culture change, which he was a big
part of it. Pace setters at practice a big part
of that. I mean, the guys who are trying to
make the team, the real hungry guys, those are the
guys who set the pace. You know, like Julia mclough,
(19:52):
he's a pace setter out there for every single day.
He may not be the guy who's making the most
money or the guy who has the most yards, but
he's the guy who ever every day is out there
first and makes everyone else realize that they got to
be given the same effort on a daily basis. Von
Vailey was that guy last year and that.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Was kind of Hey Jackson in the studio, this text
is for you, Ben five six six nine zero says. Look,
Ben wasn't wrong. He just didn't think anyone would pony
up with the Packers offered. It kind of goes into
the same divan. No, this is the opposite of that.
I didn't think Jerry would let him go.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Okay, there, I knew the Packers, I knew people had
offers on the table.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
The Raiders had an offer on the table too.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
First yeah, so, but they wanted first Sam players and
two first and Brock powers and was a non starter
for the Raiders. So you know, you see how that goes.
But I know this was sort of the opposite of that,
whereas didn't think anybody would pony up, but it took
to prive Vailey off this roster in this particular case,
I thought Jerry would be too stubborn to take it.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Plus and his age.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
He wants to win now like Jerry wants to win
one on the way out the door, you know. And
so it's been thirty years since I've been to the
Super Bowl, and I just I did not believe that
that he would do that. I knew he was gonna
shoot himself in the foot one way or the other.
I just didn't realize he was gonna shoot both his
feet off.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
I mean, is there a way this could end up
being beneficial to the Cowboys? I mean, you got four
first over the next two years if you if you're drafting, well, yeah,
it's real beneficial. And they haven't been good with Micah
Parsons as a leader in that in that locker room.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
He hasn't been happy.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
He's not a you know, the chemistry is important, you
know for a football team. Sometimes the talent is not
worth the headache. And I'm not saying it's Micah's fault,
but maybe him being gone will be good for the Cowboys.
You didn't say that kindly in the first segment. Do
you really want to you want to call him a malcontent?
That's right, because he was not content, I know, but
(21:38):
you look, that is like he's a locker room distraction,
A d got his fault, Yeah that he well maybe, look.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
I mean we're all responsible for our own actions.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
But I know, but like here we go an hour later,
you're like, well, maybe maybe he was offered this a
little bit here I phrased it differently.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Either way, the chemistry is really important. If your leader
isn't happy, then everyone else sees that. And so like,
you know, he's rolling his eyes, he's huffing and puffing,
he doesn't want to be around, he's questioning what the
the other guys, young guys in the locker room, they
hear that stuff and they start to pay attention, and
it's kind of divides the locker room. Are you with
Mike h Are you with Jerry? You know? And you
(22:16):
don't want to pick sides there. You all want to
be moving in the same direction. This could be a
win win for both teams.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
And Nate Jackson and Studio been allbright as well. So Ben,
what does this say about the Cowboys? What does it
say about the Packers? To get this thing done?
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Says the Packers believe they're they're there.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
It says the Packers absolutely believe they're contenders, their Super
Bowl contenders. This is their window.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
I mean, I don't think outside of Deshaun Watson, Miles Garrett,
I don't think you've ever had so much money tied
up in two players on one team at the same
time as they've got with Love and Parsons and Parsons now, I.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Mean, the Packers front seven was already good. I mean
it was already good before they got Parsons. That's pretty
you know, that's pretty lethal. By the way Packers played
Dallas Week four, No boy, so we already know what
the hype up on that's going to be.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
Of course, the Broncos play the Packers, so you're going
to get a chance to see that that front seven
in action as well. Yeah, I mean, the Packers are
saying to everybody, hey, we we believe we're a Super
Bowl contender.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
We're mortgaging it all to push in. Now for Lombardy,
what about the Cowboys, I says, they don't believe they're
strong enough that they've got some work to do, and
that's why you've got four first rounders now over the
next two years to try to build this thing back
to what you thought. Dallas has had what won two flashes.
I think since since.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
Jerry and Switzer, you had what twenty was it twenty
sixteen or seventeen they had a pretty decent team, and
twenty thirteen, I think they had a pretty decent team.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
But they I mean, and they wrapped a whole playoff
game against the Niners a couple of years back right
where Deck had a real bonehead move right at the
end there didn't get down and the clock ran out
on the game when they were in field goal range.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Shouldn't believe it. Yeah, I still can't believe that.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
And then they had the versus the Packers of all
teams when they were the number one I think they
were the number one seed or something along those lines,
and the Packers just came into Dallas and embarrassed them.
So they've had some really tough outs in the postseason.
But it's a fascinating thing because you just said, Jerry, seemingly,
you would imagine wants to win one.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
On the way out here.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
We are. On the way out here, we are, you're.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
You're you're moving on from one of your best players
in the process. But forty seven million per when the
next closest is forty one, what do you make of that?
Speaker 3 (24:16):
I mean, that's number twelve quarterback money.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
I think twelve or thirteen quarterback money. I mean, that's
that's top thirty league quarterback money for an edge rusher,
and you know edge rushers impact the game. But that's
a lot of money to tie up in somebody like that.
You have to hope that the money doesn't doesn't make
him fat and happy, you got to you gotta hope
that that he continues to that he stays healthy.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
He missed a little bit of time last year.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
That's that is a lot of money to tie up
in that, And I don't I don't think give it up.
Those two first and Kenny Clark are gonna hurt an
organization like the Packers, who are very well run organization,
but any other organization that might have that might have
hamstrung you.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Yeah, a lot of money, a lot of money. We
were talking about this earlier. It's two players over one
hundred million dollars.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Yeah, that's he thinks the quarterbacks shouldn't be paid what
they're paid.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
I mean, they shouldn't, but that's what the market does.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
Like it's until it gets inefficient to pay. Until everybody
gets inefficient paying guys like that, and the league swings
back the other way.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
That's what you're going to see. Yeah, it could happen.
I mean it could happened. I mean League used to
pay running backs.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
I think we're just started seeing that a little more
and it got inefficient. Yeah, no, you're right, you're right.
Markets will take care of themselves.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
All right. Last couple here before you, Ben appreciate you
swinging by. So we were talking about Nick Benito and
what this could possibly mean for him. You said that
Nick was waiting on the Parsons, well Hendrickson deal, but
also the Parsons deal to see what the top five
would end up doing.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
This obviously blows that out of the water.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
Yeah, the objective there with his representation was to wait
out the top five, top six average, because that's what
you're negotiating against the franchise tag, right, the average of
the top five salaries, So that they were waiting for that,
and now Hendrickson sort of blew that up by not
signing a long term deal.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
In fact, he didn't even move the needle. He stayed.
You know, he didn't even crack the top five.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
Parsons though that this does drag the bottom up a
little bit, and so you're probably looking at at Benito
around the thirty mark this point, thirty to thirty two.
I would say, if he takes a discount, maybe you're
at twenty eight, but you're probably at the thirty to
thirty two average per year mark on Nick Benito.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Unless he waits and he puts up fifteen sacks. Do
you think you could try to get the Sun before
the season starts? The seasons start?
Speaker 5 (26:14):
Would be a bit ambitious, but I do believe you
could get it done before the trade deadline.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
You know, you could get it done within the first
couple of months of the season. A lot of guys
don't like negotiate in season either. Once you start the season.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Your minds, you know, you gotta get your mind on that.
He told me that earlier. Yeah, whether you go, oh,
I thought I was kidding.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yeah, I said it well, because my vast experience as
an NFL player. I just I think the.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Player made it.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Like when they say I'm focused entirely on football. That's
that's the question I was asked to do players when
they say that, there's sort.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Of is a say a lot of guys. I mean,
I'm not speaking for everybody, but guys I've talked to
Obviously you were you don't want to get somebody who
was like that and you were in the league, So
I never had the opportunity to negotiate a big deal
during that kind of time. But prior to a season,
you're trying to take care of every little thing that
isn't football, so you don't have to think about it.
I mean, parking, t kids, Jerry Dude hot to real thing.
(27:04):
I mean the night before you know that during the
game week you get in an argument with your girlfriend
or your wife.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
You don't even want to.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
See it that through because you've got to go wake
up in the morning and go to practice and football
is the answer to everything. You don't want to be
having these money conversations speaking the language you kind of
don't understand. That's why you hire an agent and let
him do the work and try to go to work
and be the best football player you can be.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
I think I think we're looking at Nick getting in
the mid thirties. It with surprise.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
Thirty five would surprise if he got that high. I
think we're in that better start couch and stuff. I
think we're around that thirty three number.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
But we'll see.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Got to start couch and say.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'll sit there to eaven.
I mean, you're in the prediction business. You can't be
right all the time.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
I've been wrong before, I'll be wrong again. Well, thank
you Ben for swinging by. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
This is what I do.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
It's good to see you. The Broncos countries and I
come up tonight.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
We do. I'm surprised there's no flannel on you today.
It seems it's just weird that there's no I don't
see a pumpkin spice drink over it, and not big
milkshake over there anywhere, and no flannel. This is weird
me out man, What have we done with it? You
got a black shirt on, but he does. He has
a zipper on the pocket. Yeah, are you trying to
be and you have a black shirt on? You tried
just if you joined the black shirt mafia?
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Is this a thing I have not, this is a
temporary setback. But wild something on your original shirt and
had that in the car. We'll be back, uh huh Yeah,
flannel flattel. Well not tomorrow because we'll be at the
course field. But yeah, I will not wear flannel out
into the mount. I'm just letting you I'm a big
flannel guy, because Latte follows my time of year, and so, uh,
(28:33):
but I will not.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Wear not gonna wear flannel though the first time, doesn't it?
Speaker 3 (28:37):
No, no, stop it. He's already requested them.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
To come out with pearl jams that you know, he's
so he can walk out there with. This is in
the Marriers, where like with the Rockies, I'm just gonna
I'm gonna come out there.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
I'm gonna wear like a Rockies jersey and then some jeans.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
It'll be great, Okay, any particular jersey, No, it's just
the one I got last time when yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
There's no name on it.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Okay, I'll we're going.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Mark Johnson come up here.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Thank you, Ben I appreciation we have Mark Johnson come
on the top of the r I want to finish
a conversation though, talking about the wide zone. So Sean
Paygne was asked about the running backs and kind of
a plan for this year.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
This is what he said.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Historically speaking, in the years that I've coached, we haven't
been that just one back all the downs take a
We've typically been two backs and then you may have
someone that does third down, you know, and so but
it's hard to get four backs up, and look, there's
times where you do if there's a vision in the
(29:33):
kicking game. Generally speaking, I think you can feed too,
and they appreciate that because when you look at their
career span, that can benefit them. So that's kind of
been my history and I'm not saying it's everyone else's.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
So your expectation of the running game, first of all,
are you a little concerned based on what you saw
in the preseason or does that not weigh a ton
on your expectations for the regular season.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
I can't say it's a zero out of ten.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Not overly concerned because he's not going to show us
a lot of what they're doing. But the mentality of
the running game, the attacking sort of philosophy, seems to
be a little bit missing from the team. So, you know,
we saw what happened against the Buffalo Bills in the playoffs.
You might win ten games during the season, but if
you don't have a running game in the playoffs, it's
going to buy you.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Is this something that might take a little bit of
time to sort of sink in, I mean this philosophical shift,
yes and no.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
I mean most of these players probably have done some
of this in the past, even you know, it might
be articulated a little bit different, the terminology a tiny
bit different, but the wide zone is pretty popular. So
most offensive linemen get a taste of both, and I
think most teams do some of both. Now they'll lean
on one more than the other, but I think, you know,
most dynamic offensive attacks do both and can do both proficiently.
(30:59):
And if you're offensive lineman that can't, you know, get
out of a stance and run laterally, you're probably not
going to have an easy time in the NFL. So
I think these guys will adapt pretty quickly. Okay.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
So it doesn't sound like you're raising many alarms here,
I mean, and maybe I'm misreading the situation here like
a lot of people are.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
So my alarms are that not that they can't do it,
but that they won't do it because Sean Payton won't
come to it.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
So the question is, so the question is, you know,
because Sean Payton just described the way he's done things
in the past, he's been very successful doing him that way,
but the NFL seems to be changing a little bit,
and so can he change with it?
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Is that necessary?
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Can he do it his way in the modern NFL,
or does he need to adapt and be a little
more run heavy. That's you know the He said it
a bunch of times that the best friend of a
rookie or a young quarterback is a running game, a
strong defense, and a good running game. They never really
commit to the running game. Last year he had to
write run it on his play sheet to remind himself
(32:06):
to run the football.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
What do they do? They passed the ball.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
But you know, a run first team, a team that's
committed to the run, that play caller is not going
to have to write run it on his blake sheet.
He knows that's what he does. Mike Shannahan, the Shanahan offense,
they're not having to write that. We didn't have to
write that was our philosophy. Every day you knew what
we were going to practice hard, and it was doing
(32:30):
it every day hard that made you good at it
on Sundays. And the other team knew what we were
going to do. They knew the plays, they knew what
we're gonna do. We're gonna do the wide zone and
then we're gonna do the keeper game off of that.
But it still worked because we were just better at
it than you because we practiced it harder, we did
it more, we paid more attention to it. If you
are better at the thing you do than they are
(32:51):
at stopping it, it's going to be successful. My question is,
are you committed to it enough on a daily basis
to make you better than that? Then your opponent's at
that thing? Gotcha?
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Gotcha?
Speaker 1 (33:03):
All right, we'll come back. We have Mark Johnson joining
us next.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
We're get a preview of CU's game coming up tomorrow nights,
also the season, and we'll come back to this. I
want to get into Caleb Loner. I want to talk
to you about developmental Titans in a little bit later on.
We'll get to that in five thirty, but that's all
coming up next
Accident Studio.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Ryan Edwards with you five six, six, one zero again
tomorrow tomorrow's show.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
I'll be out of course field.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
The Rockies are going to play the Cubs get to
throw out the first pitch.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
We gave away some tickets earlier this week.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
What kind of pitch are you gonna throw? You know,
whatever gets it there? That's uh, yeah, I've been asked.
So we had Rick Lewis, who is the color analyst
for the roncos on and he's done this a few
times and he was coaching me up and he's like,
whatever you do, it can't bounce to the plates, Like
even even if you overthrow it, even if you just
throw it into the backstop. He's like, I don't care.
It has to it has to get there. Well, you're
(00:32):
on a mound, which is different. Well, they don't even
put me on the mound though. Okay, I hope you
can get it to the plates. That's you're in front
of the mount, in front of them mount. Okay, you
get grass?
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Yeah? Yeah, have you been practicing at all? Well, that's
the thing is, no, I haven't. Why Well are you
going to throw it at all?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Open raining a lot?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yeah, because you definitely can't throw in the rain. I
did one night. I was telling Dave and and Ben.
I did one night where I went out into the.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Rain and through the ball with my oldest daughter and
it was raining and everything, but we went out there
just to see. I am for years, like four years
ago was the last time I did this, so I
have no expectation whatsoever, like what's going to look like.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
So I went out there and threw it.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I was like, all right, well, I know that if
I just if I just play catch, if I just
go out there with Dinger, it's going to be catching.
And I just play catch with Dinger, I should be fine.
And that's that says my mindset. But people are trying, oh,
you gotta go wind up, you gotta go from the stretch.
And I'm like, if I overcomplicated, this thing is going
to be an absolute disaster. And the one thing I
want Nate more than anything else in the entire world
(01:37):
is to not be remembered.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Oh in this case.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I mean other things, yes, but in this thing, I
do not want to be memorable.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
I wanted to.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I don't want to be on Sports Center.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I don't want to because you know what's going to
happen if you if you're one of the bad ones,
like the fifty cents of the world right where it's
going sideways and then it follows you forever.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
So that's my goal you're gonna do it? Is that
a good enough goal? Or is that if I you know, I.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Think you should want to hit the strike zone.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
That's a goal, you know for sure?
Speaker 1 (02:07):
So he doesn't have to move his feet to get
to the ball.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
The ball, I think that's the goal. To dive for
the ball. That would be good. Yeah, you're right. Yeah,
I don't want him because he's he he When I
did it four.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Years ago, he crouched right like a catcher, So yeah,
I don't want him to stand up and get it.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Yeah, that would be bad too.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
So h But I did a whole wind up then,
like I was, are you gonna yeah, how are you
gonna You're gonna play it up?
Speaker 3 (02:29):
You're gonna make it dramatic? What are you gonna do?
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Like? You know, is he gonna give you some signs
you're gonna No, I shook.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Off the side of the last time you did.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I was really proud of myself for that. I did
that for Brett, for Ben because he said you got
to shake him off. I'm like, I got enough going
through my head. I'm not gonna do it.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
And then I got out there like, you know what,
I may never be here again to shake him off,
shake him off. And then, man, you don't.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Understand though you.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Dave Logan has been crushing me for years on this thing,
like the video that's out there.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Of me throwing.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I didn't think it was that bad, but he has
said it's one of the worst things he's ever seen
in his life. And now he played baseball, so Dave
has a different mindset about these things. But he said
it's one of the worst first pitches he's ever seen,
and he compares it to the fifty cents of the world.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
And it's not fair because.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
I actually got its dinger and he caught it like
it didn't bounce, it didn't He got there and it
was it was a little off the plate.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Whatever, Well, you get a chance to redeem yourself. Yeah,
that's it. You're coachable.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
I don't know, Well, you give me some pointers as
an athlete, what do I.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
If you can throw, you can throw. If you can't throw,
you can't throw. I don't know. You know what I mean, Like, yeah,
at this point, I don't think you could learn it throw.
It's like Tim Tebow trying to learn how to throw
when he gets to the NFL. You're not gonna work
on your throwing technique once you get to the end.
You get out there on the mound, man, you just
gotta channel your your kid like throwing a rock in
a in a river. Man. Okay, did you throw? Did
(03:56):
you grow up throwing stuff? No? Okay, really were screwed.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
No.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
I played golf and I played chess, and I was
a guitar player. Like as a musician, Wow, I record
a bunch of albums. I can help me in this situation.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Yeah, Chess is not going to help you out there,
no it so I can help you at all? Yeah,
check mate.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Your's like, wait, what, so.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
How did you get into sports if you were a
guitar player and a golfer and a chess guy.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
It's remarkable, right, so very quick.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
So I was around radio stations a lot in music,
and I just thought it was cool. And so I
was actually a flower delivery driver as a musician, because
you know, you don't actually make a lot of money
being a musician, even as a touring musician, you don't
really make a lot of money. And I heard an
ad on one of the stations in town and they
(04:45):
were saying, hey, you could do this, and I said
that would be fun. Wow, And then I am you
a sports fan. I listened to it a lot of it,
and I watched football my dad.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
I have watched a football game. I'm aware of the sport,
it exists.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
I knew that it's like that.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Seeing stepbrotherers with the tuxedos like that was my version
of the resume.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
I like football. I know what it looks like.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
So then I got into it, and you know, a
lot of this business.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
We were talking about the media business in the break
and we will get back to the Broncos here in
just a second, I promise, just small side. We're talking
about the media business. So much of it is the
way you communicate, right. It isn't always about the knowledge,
as we can tell by some people that are still
doing this, especially in the East Coast, but no offense,
it isn't. It's about how you present it and it's
(05:33):
about communicating and so much of what we do. So yes,
you've got to have a I think a base level
knowledge of what you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Otherwise it just sounds confusing.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
But if you have a base level of knowledge and
you can argue, you can communicate, and you can do
those kinds of things in an entertaining fashion, well you
can carve out a career forever doing this as long
as people like you.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Yeah, does that mean you've given up the guitar.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
I don't do it as much.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
I play the girls every so often when they when
they ask, but it's it's been a minute. Do you
sing as well?
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And this sort of scratches that itch
if you will of performing on stage. Yeah, Like I
did that for so many years and I missed it,
and then you know, getting into this gave me that.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Opportunity to kind of do that more often.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
But I thought about starting a podcast when you can
do both.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Well, this is podcast, by the way, on the completely
free and totally awesome my Heart Radio app. We podcast
this show after the fact, so that that's that's my podcast.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
I else, Yeah, theoretic, I want to hear you play someday. Yeah,
some day your grant that is not you do not
need to go play the song. Yeah, I want to
hear it.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
We're good. We got Nate Jackson zoo.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
So when we come back, I do want to talk
about the offensive line. I want to talk about the
change in philosophical view from power gap to wide zone
and which they're going to be doing. And you, of course,
I think have some very keen insight into those kinds of.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
Do you know what I'm about?
Speaker 3 (07:00):
See a Ryan, You're going to do great.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Get the voices out of your head and visualize the
ball being thrown, run over the plates so you can
do it.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Anybody on there saying Ryan, you are going to screw
this up.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
On Monday when I announced that this was going to happen,
there were quite a few of those. But part of
that is like Dave's family texting in. I think that's
just the natural thing, and I'm listen, I'm fine with it.
I will cover both sides of this conversation in my
own head. Either way, I can visualize it going well,
and I can visualize it going terribly, and in the
end I'm hoping somewhere in between.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Well, it's a normal.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Thing to picture the worst case scenario. It is a
normal thing to picture yourself screwing up you want to
im mensely cover you know, all the eventualities or possible
things that could happen, but then you just don't dwell
on the bad one and say, how do I avoid
that thing?
Speaker 3 (07:48):
I think we'd add sports psychologists to your resume now.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
I was thinking about pursuing that degree. I'm just saying,
like the media thing, you know, doesn't work out, and.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Then the sports care of the Karen where you have
to that's right, we have to take photos of guy's legs.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Don't remind me. That's the worst part of it. That's
what I really feel like a narc Right, You're like,
you know.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Taking pictures of their socks. There's what is it, twelve
thousand dollars?
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Fine? Seriously?
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yeah, oh and come on, the NFL's a little a
little pocket on that.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Yeah, they are right. I'm not the only one.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
That they're in there in your pre in the pocket.
But you know what I'm saying, Yeah, that's kind of ridiculous.
It is ridiculous if they really wanted to stop it,
and I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Okay, yeah, I want you to keep the job, So
don't say too much here exactly, but good luck this
next year. I hope you make the NFL some extra money.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
I guess quick thing though, about these undershirts that these
guys wear. Okay, because like you know, in recket my day,
we didn't wear like these long undershirts. Nobody would ever
do that. But now there's like the style to wear
these long undershirts, and technically that is a uniform violation.
But you know, I wrote it down a couple times
for a couple of guys. They didn't get fine for
these undershirt. So the league doesn't really care about the undershirts.
(09:02):
But these undershirts cost the Broncos two touchdowns last year.
Marvin MAM's his undershirt at the five yard line against
the Rams. Okay, little Jordan Humphrey got his undershirt tugged
on a pass in the end zone. I remember that
that didn't get called and it went off his fingertips.
So you so, did you did you say something? Well? No,
(09:24):
because they don't want to hear its. Hey man, you know, no,
I didn't. I didn't. I didn't.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
I didn't send this in.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
But I'm just let you know, well, you know, I
let Flip know, and Flip is the manager and he's like, well,
what are you gonna do? Like, it's the style. It's
the style, you know, the players like the way it looks,
and and it is what it is. That if the
league isn't gonna find him for it, they're not going
to find him for it. But for me, like, you know,
that's an extra thing for someone to grab onto as
you're running past them.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
But you're working in these margins, say two touchdowns when
the season could could be the difference of the playoffs lost.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
They lost to the Rams on the road.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
There, that's right there, there you go.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Yeah, and I don't remember which game that was for L. J. Humphrey,
but oh I can't remember that either. But I do
remember though that was a whole image. Yeah it was
a home game.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
I just can't remember the mental image of it. But yes,
that is absolutely the case. Okay, so we're gonna have
been all Bright joining usyet about ten minutes with the
latest of Michael Parsons. What happened with that trade and
how it went down, the philosophical shift it. We'll come
back to this a little bit too, because this is
a bit of a shorter segment. But the philosophical shifts,
why Is it happening in your opinion that the Broncos
(10:28):
have opted to go more wide zone this year along
the offensive line?
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Do we know they're going to do that?
Speaker 3 (10:33):
They have.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Literally every offensive lineman is out there saying it.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Joe Lombardies talked about it. So now again you said
game day, well, I guess they could pull a Kaiser Sosi, honest,
and all of a sudden they're going right back to
what they were.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
But I'd say, right now, what.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
We've seen in practice, what we've seen out there in
the preseason, this is what they're doing well. When you
feel like you have athletic, agile lineman who can run
the wide zone is really good because they move latterly
at the snap, which forced the defense to also move
latterly at the snap and negotiate sideways movements. Defense likes
to attack up the field. They don't like to move
(11:08):
side to side, and when you make a move side
to side, it makes them uncomfortable. It's easier to block them,
and if you're skilled at that, and you work as
a unit as an offensive line, you can really open
up some big holes for running backs. But the running
backs are going to have to play a little bit
of a different game. It's not a gap scheme where
they know exactly where the hole is going to be.
The hole could open up anywhere, and they got to
be able to put one foot in the ground and
(11:29):
make that cut and go downhill wherever that hole opens up.
So it's a little bit of a different skill set
for the running back, but it opens up the play
action pass and really is an advantage for a mobile quarterback.
And that's what bo is right. You know, you remember
Jake Plumber being here getting outside the pocket, then Shannon
Shark running free across the field. Those deep crosses that
(11:50):
those tight ends do are made so wide open because
the effectiveness of the running game and once you become
a believable blocker and the whole unit moves in unison,
guys are running free in the passing game, and so
Athletic got offensive lineman getting the defense off kilter, doing
things that the movements they don't like, and really opening
(12:12):
up the passing game for these guys down the field.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Okay, all right, And that's why we're seeing the shift,
like the shift is happening because what they did last year.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
But also what they did last year didn't really work
didn't work.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
They didn't. They didn't They weren't a good running team.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
But they could have just blamed when they sort of did,
they just blamed it on the running backs. But they
could have just said, it's just the running backs. We
were going to replace the running backs, We're gonna keep
what we're doing on the offensive line.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
But they did both.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Yeah, And I think it's a mentality when it comes
to running the football. It's not just about, you know,
getting new running backs. I mean, you saw these new
running backs to r J. Harvey didn't look a whole
lot better than Jevante Williams last year, right, true, Because
to me, it's about setting the tone and committing to
the run and being having a philosophy of running the football.
And you know, the Broncos under Sean Payton haven't really
(12:56):
had that, but the Saints under Sean Payton didn't necessarily have.
So how much are we hoping Sean Payton turns into
something that he isn't? What we do want him to
do is just win games and score a ton of points, okay,
and then the balance really matter, you know, And if
you get off to Big Lee's early in the game,
then you could run the football and then the numbers
look balanced, but you really threw it to get ahead,
(13:16):
and then you ran it to secure the clock.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
So there's a lot of different ways to win a game.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Sean Payton has his way, and I think that employing
the gap scheme and this wide zone is a really
effective way of doing it. The Shanahan office was the
same way we did both.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
We'll come back to this conversation on the other side.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Now's your chance to thank a teacher with iHeartRadio Power
to buy Donors Shoes nominated Outstanding public school teacher who's
gone above and beyond for their students to win five
thousand dollars to stock the classroom. Helen Campos, the teacher
at Bradley International School in Denver, is nominated. Helen worked
with her students and their families to bridge the connection
between home and school, making parents feel like an active
(13:54):
part of learning. You can nominate your favorite teachers right
now at iHeartRadio dot com Slashed Teachers.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
We'll right back on KWA.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Maybe I should check out Ricky Scoops on Twitter, who
seemed to have this on Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
On Tuesday, Micah.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Parsons to the Green Bay Packers four years, one hundred
and eighty eight million, one hundred and thirty six million
guaranteed forty seven per So, Ben, you I don't know,
you've been saying for a while.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
You you didn't really think this was going to happen.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
So I underestimated Jerry's ability to shoot himself in both feet.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
You know, Jerry Jones likes to He loves the drama.
He loves all the pageantry, he loves all that stuff.
He sees the pt bartom of the NFL. He loves
to have all the attention on the Cowboys, positive or negative. Uh,
and usually costs himself in the end doing stuff like this.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
The same This is the same thing we went through with.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
Ceedee Lamb last year, except they ultimately just just paid him.
And in this particular case, you know, they green Bay
put an offer on the table on Tuesday. They started,
you know, working, trying to work Dallas. You know, the
other way. Dallas reached out back out to the Raiders
who had offered before.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
They wanted brock Bauers.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
That was a non starter.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
Green Bay continue to get the thing hammered out done
and got the deal done. And they got it done.
They finished it up this morning. I got it started
it last night while Jerry was at Georgie down there
in the Steakhouse Downer in Dallas, and they got it
done this morning.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Wow. Can we shift gears a little bit of Marvin
Mims and see how although we don't want to shoot
him shifting gears too fast? Right now? Well, what happened?
Speaker 5 (15:29):
How about you're not going You're not funny, It's gonna
be fine. Yeah, groin injury, you know, you want to
be careful with that. You always want to be careful
with that, and those things can linger. It's the two
injuries I think that the three injuries I think that
link linger the most growin injuries hamstrings and turf toe. Uh,
they just they just linger. Uh, And so you want
to be careful with that. But you know, they put
(15:50):
him on on rest until Monday. He didn't go down
like he had he had the injury. He didn't go down,
but he did kind of hopp Well at was point
during practice that it happened. Was he late in practice?
We were all in fact, we were back here at
that point. But according to people who were there, you know,
moves to the ground.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
He didn't go down.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
He did get helped off by the Traders, but that
was precautionary. He was limping a little bit. But in
the end, Uh, they expect him to be fine by
the start of the season. Yeah, Sean said, help you
back practicing Monday.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
I did think you.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I talked about this a little bit yesterday. There were
a lot of people maybe in then Nate Jackson realm
of saying, I wish we had Devon Vley still here.
You can't plant listen, Nate with all and I knew
all our doers.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
The President Club.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
I'm just gonna say, like, first of all, they kind
of played different positions as wide receivers, right like what
you were going to use Marvin Mims for.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
You may not use the same thing with Devon Bailey.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
And secondly, you can't prepare for every eventuality with injury.
I'm just gonna let people know right now, there's probably
gonna be an injury to a wide receiver throughout the
course of the season, and there might be a moment.
There may be a moment that you say Von Bailey
could have caught that, or Devon Bailey would be valuable
to have here. At the same time, you have to
make decisions under the circumstances of the moment you're in
(17:04):
and they opted.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
To do this, Well, what if that fourth round pick
that they got, they draft him and that guy sucks
well and he does, and he didn't hit on that one.
They now they hit on a lot of guys. They're
very smart in the draft. Don't don't let.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
BIG's negativity rub off on you.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
That guy's awesome, and he very well might be, but
he won't be awesome this year. That's true for the Broncos.
He won't help him win this year. And my belief
was that Devon vle could help them win this year. Okay,
and the Super Bowl window has opened. Let me ask
you this, let me ask you this real quick, and
then I want to ask you about Nick Benino bin.
But let's just say usually there's five up on game
(17:43):
day for wide receivers, not six. It's pretty it's kind
of tough by the numbers to get props on the help.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
So then I guess that would be Pat Bryant. So
then at that point, Troy could be Pat could be
one week.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
But then see that's where that's where the issue lies.
Because if Devon Vailey is that valuable then what are
we really talking about.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Probably you should not make him inactive if he's that Vale.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Look, Pat Bryant had a good camp, Troy Franklin had
a good camp. Devon Valley was still ahead of them.
I don't think they surpassed him, did they. I mean
he was exactly He was the camp darling last year.
Devon Vley was darling this year, and then he was
a little banged up, had to sit down a little bit.
A very reliable target, came up with some big catches,
(18:31):
secure hands, hard to tackle, big game kind of a player.
You don't just find those guys growing on trees. And
the fact they got him the seventh round doesn't mean
wolf We're gonna find another guy like him in the
seventh round or even in the fourth round.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
I think Devon Vailey is a player.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
I know he's older, but if your windows open now
in the next two or three years, he can help
you win and get there. I didn't like to see
him go because I know he's a very good football player.
You don't sell me. I'm with you on that. I'm
I'm Devon Valley fan five at hotmail dot com. It's weird, weird,
that's spelled m al. But whatever I think the I
(19:09):
think that you when you get an offer like that, though,
you got to consider. I mean, that's just that's at
point value on the drafts card. That's the how that's
the same as the George That's better than the George
Pickens trade. It's getting to those leaguered cowboys. That's better
than what the uh the Raiders got for Devantae Adams
when they gets traded for him. Right, But it also
shows you what this team thinks of this guy, and
that's got to make you pause as well. Maybe maybe
(19:31):
he's better than we think he is, uh, or maybe
they're desperate for a receiver. I just don't like to
let good players walk out the building, Guys who've been
part of the culture change, which he was a big
part of it. Pace setters at practice a big part
of that. I mean, the guys who are trying to
make the team, the real hungry guys, those are the
guys who set the pace. You know, like Julia mclough,
(19:52):
he's a pace setter out there for every single day.
He may not be the guy who's making the most
money or the guy who has the most yards, but
he's the guy who ever every day is out there
first and makes everyone else realize that they got to
be given the same effort on a daily basis. Von
Vailey was that guy last year and that.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Was kind of Hey Jackson in the studio, this text
is for you, Ben five six six nine zero says. Look,
Ben wasn't wrong. He just didn't think anyone would pony
up with the Packers offered. It kind of goes into
the same divan. No, this is the opposite of that.
I didn't think Jerry would let him go.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Okay, there, I knew the Packers, I knew people had
offers on the table.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
The Raiders had an offer on the table too.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
First yeah, so, but they wanted first Sam players and
two first and Brock powers and was a non starter
for the Raiders. So you know, you see how that goes.
But I know this was sort of the opposite of that,
whereas didn't think anybody would pony up, but it took
to prive Vailey off this roster in this particular case,
I thought Jerry would be too stubborn to take it.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Plus and his age.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
He wants to win now like Jerry wants to win
one on the way out the door, you know. And
so it's been thirty years since I've been to the
Super Bowl, and I just I did not believe that
that he would do that. I knew he was gonna
shoot himself in the foot one way or the other.
I just didn't realize he was gonna shoot both his
feet off.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
I mean, is there a way this could end up
being beneficial to the Cowboys? I mean, you got four
first over the next two years if you if you're drafting, well, yeah,
it's real beneficial. And they haven't been good with Micah
Parsons as a leader in that in that locker room.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
He hasn't been happy.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
He's not a you know, the chemistry is important, you
know for a football team. Sometimes the talent is not
worth the headache. And I'm not saying it's Micah's fault,
but maybe him being gone will be good for the Cowboys.
You didn't say that kindly in the first segment. Do
you really want to you want to call him a malcontent?
That's right, because he was not content, I know, but
(21:38):
you look, that is like he's a locker room distraction,
A d got his fault, Yeah that he well maybe, look.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
I mean we're all responsible for our own actions.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
But I know, but like here we go an hour later,
you're like, well, maybe maybe he was offered this a
little bit here I phrased it differently.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Either way, the chemistry is really important. If your leader
isn't happy, then everyone else sees that. And so like,
you know, he's rolling his eyes, he's huffing and puffing,
he doesn't want to be around, he's questioning what the
the other guys, young guys in the locker room, they
hear that stuff and they start to pay attention, and
it's kind of divides the locker room. Are you with
Mike h Are you with Jerry? You know? And you
(22:16):
don't want to pick sides there. You all want to
be moving in the same direction. This could be a
win win for both teams.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
And Nate Jackson and Studio been allbright as well. So Ben,
what does this say about the Cowboys? What does it
say about the Packers? To get this thing done?
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Says the Packers believe they're they're there.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
It says the Packers absolutely believe they're contenders, their Super
Bowl contenders. This is their window.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
I mean, I don't think outside of Deshaun Watson, Miles Garrett,
I don't think you've ever had so much money tied
up in two players on one team at the same
time as they've got with Love and Parsons and Parsons now, I.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Mean, the Packers front seven was already good. I mean
it was already good before they got Parsons. That's pretty
you know, that's pretty lethal. By the way Packers played
Dallas Week four, No boy, so we already know what
the hype up on that's going to be.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
Of course, the Broncos play the Packers, so you're going
to get a chance to see that that front seven
in action as well. Yeah, I mean, the Packers are
saying to everybody, hey, we we believe we're a Super
Bowl contender.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
We're mortgaging it all to push in. Now for Lombardy,
what about the Cowboys, I says, they don't believe they're
strong enough that they've got some work to do, and
that's why you've got four first rounders now over the
next two years to try to build this thing back
to what you thought. Dallas has had what won two flashes.
I think since since.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
Jerry and Switzer, you had what twenty was it twenty
sixteen or seventeen they had a pretty decent team, and
twenty thirteen, I think they had a pretty decent team.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
But they I mean, and they wrapped a whole playoff
game against the Niners a couple of years back right
where Deck had a real bonehead move right at the
end there didn't get down and the clock ran out
on the game when they were in field goal range.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Shouldn't believe it. Yeah, I still can't believe that.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
And then they had the versus the Packers of all
teams when they were the number one I think they
were the number one seed or something along those lines,
and the Packers just came into Dallas and embarrassed them.
So they've had some really tough outs in the postseason.
But it's a fascinating thing because you just said, Jerry, seemingly,
you would imagine wants to win one.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
On the way out here.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
We are. On the way out here, we are, you're.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
You're you're moving on from one of your best players
in the process. But forty seven million per when the
next closest is forty one, what do you make of that?
Speaker 3 (24:16):
I mean, that's number twelve quarterback money.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
I think twelve or thirteen quarterback money. I mean, that's
that's top thirty league quarterback money for an edge rusher,
and you know edge rushers impact the game. But that's
a lot of money to tie up in somebody like that.
You have to hope that the money doesn't doesn't make
him fat and happy, you got to you gotta hope
that that he continues to that he stays healthy.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
He missed a little bit of time last year.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
That's that is a lot of money to tie up
in that, And I don't I don't think give it up.
Those two first and Kenny Clark are gonna hurt an
organization like the Packers, who are very well run organization,
but any other organization that might have that might have
hamstrung you.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Yeah, a lot of money, a lot of money. We
were talking about this earlier. It's two players over one
hundred million dollars.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Yeah, that's he thinks the quarterbacks shouldn't be paid what
they're paid.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
I mean, they shouldn't, but that's what the market does.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
Like it's until it gets inefficient to pay. Until everybody
gets inefficient paying guys like that, and the league swings
back the other way.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
That's what you're going to see. Yeah, it could happen.
I mean it could happened. I mean League used to
pay running backs.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
I think we're just started seeing that a little more
and it got inefficient. Yeah, no, you're right, you're right.
Markets will take care of themselves.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
All right. Last couple here before you, Ben appreciate you
swinging by. So we were talking about Nick Benito and
what this could possibly mean for him. You said that
Nick was waiting on the Parsons, well Hendrickson deal, but
also the Parsons deal to see what the top five
would end up doing.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
This obviously blows that out of the water.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
Yeah, the objective there with his representation was to wait
out the top five, top six average, because that's what
you're negotiating against the franchise tag, right, the average of
the top five salaries, So that they were waiting for that,
and now Hendrickson sort of blew that up by not
signing a long term deal.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
In fact, he didn't even move the needle. He stayed.
You know, he didn't even crack the top five.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
Parsons though that this does drag the bottom up a
little bit, and so you're probably looking at at Benito
around the thirty mark this point, thirty to thirty two.
I would say, if he takes a discount, maybe you're
at twenty eight, but you're probably at the thirty to
thirty two average per year mark on Nick Benito.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Unless he waits and he puts up fifteen sacks. Do
you think you could try to get the Sun before
the season starts? The seasons start?
Speaker 5 (26:14):
Would be a bit ambitious, but I do believe you
could get it done before the trade deadline.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
You know, you could get it done within the first
couple of months of the season. A lot of guys
don't like negotiate in season either. Once you start the season.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Your minds, you know, you gotta get your mind on that.
He told me that earlier. Yeah, whether you go, oh,
I thought I was kidding.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yeah, I said it well, because my vast experience as
an NFL player. I just I think the.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Player made it.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Like when they say I'm focused entirely on football. That's
that's the question I was asked to do players when
they say that, there's sort.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Of is a say a lot of guys. I mean,
I'm not speaking for everybody, but guys I've talked to
Obviously you were you don't want to get somebody who
was like that and you were in the league, So
I never had the opportunity to negotiate a big deal
during that kind of time. But prior to a season,
you're trying to take care of every little thing that
isn't football, so you don't have to think about it.
I mean, parking, t kids, Jerry Dude hot to real thing.
(27:04):
I mean the night before you know that during the
game week you get in an argument with your girlfriend
or your wife.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
You don't even want to.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
See it that through because you've got to go wake
up in the morning and go to practice and football
is the answer to everything. You don't want to be
having these money conversations speaking the language you kind of
don't understand. That's why you hire an agent and let
him do the work and try to go to work
and be the best football player you can be.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
I think I think we're looking at Nick getting in
the mid thirties. It with surprise.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
Thirty five would surprise if he got that high. I
think we're in that better start couch and stuff. I
think we're around that thirty three number.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
But we'll see.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Got to start couch and say.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'll sit there to eaven.
I mean, you're in the prediction business. You can't be
right all the time.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
I've been wrong before, I'll be wrong again. Well, thank
you Ben for swinging by. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
This is what I do.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
It's good to see you. The Broncos countries and I
come up tonight.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
We do. I'm surprised there's no flannel on you today.
It seems it's just weird that there's no I don't
see a pumpkin spice drink over it, and not big
milkshake over there anywhere, and no flannel. This is weird
me out man, What have we done with it? You
got a black shirt on, but he does. He has
a zipper on the pocket. Yeah, are you trying to
be and you have a black shirt on? You tried
just if you joined the black shirt mafia?
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Is this a thing I have not, this is a
temporary setback. But wild something on your original shirt and
had that in the car. We'll be back, uh huh Yeah,
flannel flattel. Well not tomorrow because we'll be at the
course field. But yeah, I will not wear flannel out
into the mount. I'm just letting you I'm a big
flannel guy, because Latte follows my time of year, and so, uh,
(28:33):
but I will not.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Wear not gonna wear flannel though the first time, doesn't it?
Speaker 3 (28:37):
No, no, stop it. He's already requested them.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
To come out with pearl jams that you know, he's
so he can walk out there with. This is in
the Marriers, where like with the Rockies, I'm just gonna
I'm gonna come out there.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
I'm gonna wear like a Rockies jersey and then some jeans.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
It'll be great, Okay, any particular jersey, No, it's just
the one I got last time when yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
There's no name on it.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Okay, I'll we're going.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Mark Johnson come up here.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Thank you, Ben I appreciation we have Mark Johnson come
on the top of the r I want to finish
a conversation though, talking about the wide zone. So Sean
Paygne was asked about the running backs and kind of
a plan for this year.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
This is what he said.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Historically speaking, in the years that I've coached, we haven't
been that just one back all the downs take a
We've typically been two backs and then you may have
someone that does third down, you know, and so but
it's hard to get four backs up, and look, there's
times where you do if there's a vision in the
(29:33):
kicking game. Generally speaking, I think you can feed too,
and they appreciate that because when you look at their
career span, that can benefit them. So that's kind of
been my history and I'm not saying it's everyone else's.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
So your expectation of the running game, first of all,
are you a little concerned based on what you saw
in the preseason or does that not weigh a ton
on your expectations for the regular season.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
I can't say it's a zero out of ten.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Not overly concerned because he's not going to show us
a lot of what they're doing. But the mentality of
the running game, the attacking sort of philosophy, seems to
be a little bit missing from the team. So, you know,
we saw what happened against the Buffalo Bills in the playoffs.
You might win ten games during the season, but if
you don't have a running game in the playoffs, it's
going to buy you.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Is this something that might take a little bit of
time to sort of sink in, I mean this philosophical shift,
yes and no.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
I mean most of these players probably have done some
of this in the past, even you know, it might
be articulated a little bit different, the terminology a tiny
bit different, but the wide zone is pretty popular. So
most offensive linemen get a taste of both, and I
think most teams do some of both. Now they'll lean
on one more than the other, but I think, you know,
most dynamic offensive attacks do both and can do both proficiently.
(30:59):
And if you're offensive lineman that can't, you know, get
out of a stance and run laterally, you're probably not
going to have an easy time in the NFL. So
I think these guys will adapt pretty quickly. Okay.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
So it doesn't sound like you're raising many alarms here,
I mean, and maybe I'm misreading the situation here like
a lot of people are.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
So my alarms are that not that they can't do it,
but that they won't do it because Sean Payton won't
come to it.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
So the question is, so the question is, you know,
because Sean Payton just described the way he's done things
in the past, he's been very successful doing him that way,
but the NFL seems to be changing a little bit,
and so can he change with it?
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Is that necessary?
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Can he do it his way in the modern NFL,
or does he need to adapt and be a little
more run heavy. That's you know the He said it
a bunch of times that the best friend of a
rookie or a young quarterback is a running game, a
strong defense, and a good running game. They never really
commit to the running game. Last year he had to
write run it on his play sheet to remind himself
(32:06):
to run the football.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
What do they do? They passed the ball.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
But you know, a run first team, a team that's
committed to the run, that play caller is not going
to have to write run it on his blake sheet.
He knows that's what he does. Mike Shannahan, the Shanahan offense,
they're not having to write that. We didn't have to
write that was our philosophy. Every day you knew what
we were going to practice hard, and it was doing
(32:30):
it every day hard that made you good at it
on Sundays. And the other team knew what we were
going to do. They knew the plays, they knew what
we're gonna do. We're gonna do the wide zone and
then we're gonna do the keeper game off of that.
But it still worked because we were just better at
it than you because we practiced it harder, we did
it more, we paid more attention to it. If you
are better at the thing you do than they are
(32:51):
at stopping it, it's going to be successful. My question is,
are you committed to it enough on a daily basis
to make you better than that? Then your opponent's at
that thing? Gotcha?
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Gotcha?
Speaker 1 (33:03):
All right, we'll come back. We have Mark Johnson joining
us next.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
We're get a preview of CU's game coming up tomorrow nights,
also the season, and we'll come back to this. I
want to get into Caleb Loner. I want to talk
to you about developmental Titans in a little bit later on.
We'll get to that in five thirty, but that's all
coming up next
Popular Podcasts
NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal
Gregg Rosenthal and a rotating crew of elite NFL Media co-hosts, including Patrick Claybon, Colleen Wolfe, Steve Wyche, Nick Shook and Jourdan Rodrigue of The Athletic get you caught up daily on all the NFL news and analysis you need to be smarter and funnier than your friends.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com