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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's a new era.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I've seen you football as we head out to the
Chatoway cowspirit Hell Highline and bring on the Voice of
the Buffalo's Mark Johnson joining us here Nate Jackson in studio.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Mark, it's always great to catch up with you, my friend.
How are you clerrel?
Speaker 3 (00:14):
And you only say those things about somebody about once
every twenty years. You'd see that like that, And I'm
not sure we're going to see that the Tramp and
Hunter for a long time.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
No, it certainly doesn't feel like that, and I think
that's led to a lot of people wondering what this
season is going to look like.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
And the expectation is kind of all over the place.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
And it's not to say that there isn't plenty of talent,
because it certainly looks like it's a very talented team.
But I guess we'll start in the big picture here, man,
what's your expectation for the season.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Kana football team. You're not going to see the high
wire acts of Shador standrews Rama Dunder. I think this
is going to be a much more run oriented team.
I spent the time yesterday with Pat Shermer and here
right right we're talking about that very thing. He's very
high on the Liberty transfer that's starting to get Quarterback
Cage Pelter, who's got a dynamic running ability and as
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a britty darn good pattered in four years at Liberty
through for nearly six out in the yard and almost
seventy touchdowns total over the course those four years. So
they put him behind a bunt improved offens line. They
brought in four new starters. Jordan Steaton is the only
offensive quarter back from a year ago, and so I
think it's gonna be a much more run oriented team
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out of the ground of town kind of deal. And
then he'll him winging around a little bit because the
one thing we know about Deah Standards knows how to
identify wide receiver in defensive backs, and they've got plenty
of them to see and they guy, I'm like, it's
Alden like the Broncos. I think the defense that the
Buffs have might be as good as any of the
Big twelve. And I'm speculating a little bit, but I'm
telling you what, it's your two for patter, Rob Livingson
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rather and I like what they've done. They brought in
some really athletic linebackers and really bultered that defensive front.
So I think it's gonna be a defensive strengthened team
and then the team that's gonna run a football and
do so. A lot of consition the basis please text
the Hope.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Anyway, Ark, you mentioned Coach Prime.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
He had some health issues in offseason. He was absent
for a while. He's back, He's coaching this team. How's
he doing. What's the vibe around Coach Prime? He's the
inspirational leader to this team. He means so much to
the team. What's your sense on how Coach Prime is
handling all this?
Speaker 3 (02:16):
You know, Nate, he and I just did our show
yesterday and somebody, it looks fantastic. Act a normal this
can be And the one thing he cantend if I've
gotten you too, after the years being around Prime, I mean,
he is all energy, all motivation, he's all does all.
I mean, he's really an interesting guy to be around.
Now he's deal with some you know, some continuing health
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issues or lifestyle issues. He talked openly about that during
his print conference, and I can't imagine that's gonna affect
him in any way, you know, that we're going to
really notice from a coaching standpoint, because I'm telling you
what the way he's been, it's been all in. So
if you're around him right now, you don't notice any
difference in him whatsoever in terms ofcount of the day
to day how he's handling himself. And like I said,
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he look fantastic right now.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Channing with Mark Johnson voice the buffs. Now, I want
to go back to the offensive side of the ball.
I like the idea of a really good running attack.
I think that's going to be good for this team.
But you had to replace so many wide receivers, right,
I mean, some of these guys making that jump to
the NFL level. I know Sincere Brown and the Campbell's
the guy that people are pretty excited about. What's that
wide receiver corps look like?
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Well, it looks like it always does, Fran I mean,
it's like I said, he identifies those body types. And
so look look at the four guys that are wide
receivers during the NFL right now, just got when they
made the cut to fifty three, four guys made NFL runchers,
and the guys he's broughten in look the same way.
I mean, they're all six two sick three. Brown's actually
six foot five. I did an interviewed with him a
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couple of weeks ago. He said, pols I am a big,
long rangey kind of guy. But you've got a couple
of Williams, a young man, both transfer guys. One Joseph
one first name, that's taking with me right now, but
another transfer guy. There are six two six three and
that two ten the two fifteen range. And then you
bring back to the two Miller Miller boys. They should
say they're not brothers, but they're both named Miller, Omyra
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Marion and dray Lawn and they were both on the
team a year ago and kind of got lost in
the shuffle of all the talent they had there. I
think they're both NFL guys. I m I remember Omarion
Miller had one huge game for the Buffaloes last year.
He broke out because there was some injuries that had
you know, by a couple of hundred yards and a
couple of touchdowns. And a Draylon Miller might be the guy.
You know we were joking about not saying same unda
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a freaker and alien Draylon Miller might have a chance
He's extremely versatile guy, plays running back, plays in a
slap and put him out wide on occasion. He really
is kind of an interesting athlete. And so they're loaded
a wide receiver once.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Again, Mark, could you talk a little bit about Kayden
Salter the quarterback and sort of his skill set and
his experience and how that's going to be valuable to
this team.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Yeah, you know, he's played a lot of football. He
and the Cape wasn't the quarterback at Clemson, I think
had scored are responsible for the most touchdowns total in
the last two seasons in college football as quarterbacks guys
that are still playing. They both have sixty six centsdowns.
One of them rushed for twenty one, the other.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Of a nineteen.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
So he's a very dynamic guy in terms of the
the athletic system. When I talked to Prime Minster, he
said why him, He said, well, he's been there, he's
done it, he's seen it, he's been part of a
football There's nothing he's going to surprise him because he's
played four years where he was competing with Judge Lewis,
who I think is going to be a star. By
the way, he was the number two high school quarterback
in America coming out and really has the chance to
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be I think, spectful and unique. But you know, he's
seventeen years old. Guys. He don't durn eighteen until he
ended September. He graduated early, so he's missing his senior
year of high school to be in college right now.
And so that was the competition really coming down of
track for the quarterback position. They went with Salter because
of how dynamic he is with his seat and how
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maturity is with his head and what he's seen from
an experience standpoint. And when I was sitting with Pat
Shermery yesterday we got talking about it, I said, is
he as good answer as you did? He goes ark
he's better than people think. And so they seem sold
on him that they think he could really have a
breakout year and kind of become a national name at quarterback.
And if he's running behind you know, the kind of
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line they hope they have, I think that's the possibility.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yeah, a lot of optimism there assaults I heard when
I when kut Frum was talking a couple of days ago,
he may sort of sound like, oh, this is sort
of a matter of fact. But the one thing that
was interesting about that. He said, Julian Lewis is going
to work into the game. What do you think that
looks like they're they're going.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
To have a package for him. Now, no one does
that look like eight ten plays the game.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
The one thing.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
And and by the way, he and Pat Shermer are
very very close. H you know, Patty when I'm talking
to Patty said, he's almost like a sun to me.
So they're they're that close and known him for a
long time. And and so that said, we're gonna be
very careful and kind of soon feed him, make sure
they put him a position where he can be successful,
right And and so they've got a package for him.
He's the kind of guy, guys, when you want him
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that blow comes out on time, on target, and it's
at tight viral and he really has an opportunity. And
I now, you know, when Gary Barnett, my partner, watches
a film Money, he says, part he's really talented, and
he said, like any young quarterback, you've got to learn
to play with some traffic in your face and kind
of how to deal with all that. So that's going
to be part of the learning curve. So They're going
to be very careful how they use him and put
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in the positions where he can be successful. He kind
of helped build that confidence that he's that he you know,
is going to need at this level. But they love
him a lot. They think he is the next star quarterback.
You know, we're really going to have Cayden Salton for
one year here at Color but I've always got left
to play, and then then it's Julian Lewis the team
until they want him to kind of be if I
can borrow that fraition from the NFL, the franchise guy
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for the next three years after this and and so
they're going to slowly kind of work him in. But
but don't be surprised if you see him in the
first game. I bet they've got eight ten plays where
they kind of look at saying this circumstance, we can utilize,
you know, his talents out there and start to kind of,
you know, give him a baptism if you will.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Man, I'm so excited about this.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Tomorrow Night's bus Georgia Tech last one for you, Mark,
always appreciate man, just to our night's game. Let's let's
talk about it for just a moment. You know, see
you hosting this game. Yeah, Georgia Tech is favored in it.
And I think we kind of understand because you don't
really know what to spec expect from CU.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
What are you expecting tomorrow night?
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Well, I think that's that's the reason, right. You know,
Vegas doesn't know what to think of Colorado because you
took out the Marque guys from a year ago and
then so there's wonderings about what the buss are. Listen,
I think Georgia Tech is. They come in off of
two consecutive seven wins seasons back to back all years.
They've got Haines King a very athletic an other guy's
gonna run. This might be the first time in my
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twenty one previous season doing a game at CEU where
I'm watching two quarterbacks who are primary runners. Because you're
gonna see that tomorrow night. Both of these guys have
put up huge numbers two years ago, Haines staying at
one thousand yard rushing season and guys, remember we saw
him he came in here and with that twenty and
twenty one where Klimu have played a top ten team
at Texas A and m at Mile heighth Stadium. He
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was the starting quarterback for A and M that day
and broke the lake halfway through the first quarter. So
the second time the buff will get a chance to
play against him. But they've got him, They've got a
dynamic running back which considered maybe the best in the ACC.
They've got high expectations. They believe they compete for they
can compete for an a SEC championship, and so they're
coming into this thinking this is a tough game. Yes,
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but again that kind of puts some on the map
for a great season. So I think it's an interesting
storyline of many a front. And then of course there's
the thirty five year debate about who should have won
the nineteen ninety national championship Georgia Sacker Colorado. What do
we find out the other day everything we thought about
tom Osbourne turned out to be absolutely true. He voted
to bust down, and so that becomes another sidebar.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
For this game as well said absolutely, I was just
thinking about that a little bit ago.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Really quick, Rolfie, what are we doing here? What's going on?
What's the latest? Are we going to have a running
Ralphie or not?
Speaker 5 (09:53):
Not?
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Tomorrow night? We're not going to now they do have
another running back. But by the way, and that really
came out and they said, the reason they're retiring her
is because she had an indifference for running. I thought
that that, right, or so Emperor or Ralpi six is
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going to retire that he's off into you know, hanging
out eating grants and uh now the new Ralpy seven,
who they have had around for a few months, they
continue to train her. They're hopeles that you'd be ready
for game one. I think they're hoping for you know,
down the road, game two, three, four, whatever it's going
to be. But we'll see Ralpie seven at some point.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
This seem outstanding.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Mark.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
I can't wait to hear you back on the radio,
my friend. Thank you so much for the time tonight.
We always appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Thanks Mark, Okay, thank care? All right, right, Mark Johnson.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yeah, And a difference to running so so perfect, right,
I mean, he's right, that's like we all having a
difference to running for the most parts, some some more
than others. Of course, some career out of it. You
you ran a lot I did. I had not anymore,
not anymore. Do you have any difference to running now?
I would like to be able to my body won't
let me run.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
I've heard you're a good swimmer, though, I'm the fastest
swimmer in the history of the NFL.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
I can probably clocked. No, just there aren't any other
swimmers I swam. I'm swimming. Was my first love.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
I was a competitive swimmer from the age of five
until eighteen. I swam year around for about seven or
eight of those years. Oh yeah, it was it was
my It was my main thing for a while. Did
you ever think like going to the Olympics and doing yeah, okay, yeah.
Matt Beyondy was a hero of mine. You probably don't
know Matt BEYONDI BEYONDI. He had a bunch of gold
medals in the ninety two Olympics.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
I know.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Michael Phelps, Yeah, well he had a lot more.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Michael Phelps is, but Matt beyond He's probably one of
the top five American male swimmers time.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah, Mark Spitz another one of them.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
I know, because he would swim without any goggles or
a cap, and he just had his mustache and his hair,
the sash. That's what everybody remembers. Yeah, but now everybody,
I mean, not a single solitary hair is on your
body when you hit the water.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
My dad was a swimmer, like that was his thing,
and he shaves his legs because that's what you do.
Any East swim in college. It's csu And the hair
never grew back on his legs.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Way.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah, I just I just never did.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
So.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I always just used to tease about that.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
You know.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I was like, especially when I was, you know, in
middle school, and I'm like, I have a hard time
growing hair on my legs.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Is your fault?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
He's like, no, you don't understand, like it was, it
was there. I promise it's because I shaved different. I'm
sure sure you did.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Dad show you when you would shave, you'd shave for
the big meat at the end of the season. And
when you did that and when you hit the water,
I mean, you feel like a dolphin the way you
feel when you hit the water after shaving your whole body.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
It's incredible feeling.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Well.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
I was a very dedicated word for it. No, I know,
I was a very dedicated child.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Swimmer, to the point where I was going after this
league record one year when I was eight years old,
and and you know I knew that older swimmers for
big meats, they shaved.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
So I shaved my legs at eight years old.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
And one of the older girls on our swimming team said,
after you shave, you got to make sure you use
rubbing alcohol on your to prevent grown hairs. Oh so
my eight year old self in the bats up cut
myself probably ten twelve times. And then I get the uh,
the old rubin alcohol like this she told me to do.
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It was the most pain I had ever felt to
that point. But I went out there the next day.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yes I did.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
I got that league record. I bet you did, and
it still stands today. Really, no joke. Nice from like
nineteen eighty seven. That's incredible, that's remarkable. That's got ban
a league.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
But you know, but I can see now why you
say without even you know, testing or otherwise, you're the
fastest swimmer in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
That's what I think, because it's so uncommon for you know,
players to play both of those sports.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Shelby Harris says he has the best hands in the NFL.
But what do you mean, I feel well because he
when he was here, he would got interceptions or.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
He was Yeah, well no, he's very adept at blocking
knocking the ball and then he did get.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
A couple of interceptions, and he thinks he has the
best hands in the NFL. Okay, I was like, well,
there's a few broadcasters in town. They might may have
to just say about that. But whatever, It's like me
saying I'm the best pass rusher in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
If you, if you were, you the money looking like
your Parsons forty seven million dollars.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Keeps coming back to that.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Wow five six six nine zeros or KWA comas Prittel
text line, Well, thank you to Mark. We'll get the
interview at a KAWI Colorado dot com or on the
iHeartRadio app where you could listen, uh any time. Expectations
for you for see you just for a moment, like
what what is It's all over the place. There were
five I think five and a half right now in Vegas.
I I strongly want to fill the over, but I
think that's a little bit of a homer take. You
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think so, well, yeah, because.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
I lost the Heisman Trophy winner and well and a
yeah ring a Famer quarterback he lost two ring of favors.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
And then he said it, I mean you you know
Jimmy Horn, you had uh Wester, You've got zab Yeah.
We ever, I mean, you have still a lot of
receivers that ended up going to the NFL.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
So but I you know, I don't think that's going
to be a horrible thing for for the Buffs to
sort of get back to the basics of football.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I think link you know, when you have Travis Hunter and.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
You have Shador and he's your son, and you want
you know, maybe you know, they've talked about strengthening the
offensive line. They've talked about establishing a running game. It's
the same conversation we were having about Sean Payton and
these Broncos, and hopefully see you create some more balanced
attack on offense and that allows them to be you know,
to take control of games more and not rely so
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much on the on the shotgun drop back, you know,
throwing the ball forty to fifty times a game and
keep the quarterback clean and try to ground out the clock.
And it might be a different style of play that
we see out there, but I think it could be
good for the team.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
And I think I will go over on that five
and a half.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Okay, you are feeling optimistic despite the and I heard
today Michael Lombardi was talking on the Pat McAfee show,
and he said something very interesting because he said, it's
so difficult to really know how good you are because
you don't really scrimmage against other teams and scrimmage against yourself,
and you have expectations. He's like, but college football is
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so different than the NFL, where we actually have these scrimmages.
You have the preseason games, there's some things, some markers
of what you think you can get away with and
do early on in the season.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
But in college football you have none of that.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
So a lot of times with these new teams and
like UNC, for example, with Bill Belichick, Oh, we're all.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Very excited to see what it looks like, but nobody
knows what.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
It's going to look like. Yeah, it's not going to
be the Patriots. You can't do that, right, But it's
his first year. We're all intrigued. Here's with coach Prime
and you brought up some of his off field health stuff.
Does that become a storyline? Hopefully not right, But that's
something that you kind of have to think about if
there are some struggles, like, hey, it's a real deal,
what's going on. So that's where I talk myself into
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the over. I think maybe bet the over allegedly, but
then simultaneously, I just don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
I just really don't know.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Yeah, well, these coaches, they're under an immense amount of stress.
And I know Coach Prime is very good at presenting
just the most positive version of himself and unaffected by
you any kind of physical limitations or pain or doubt
or anything like that. But he's a human being and
he and he just went through about a cancer, you know,
and he's got to listen to his body too, And
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I know there's people around him who are encouraging him
do so and watching out for him and making sure
that he is doing that. But you know, and he's
not the first coach to have a serious health issue
while he's coaching. You remember Gary Kubiak famously had to
take some time off because he faced some real serious
health issues.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
A lot of these guys do.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
They put a lot of pressure on themselves to succeed,
and Coach Prime is no different, and probably even more
so with Coach Primes. So but excited to see these
these buffs go to you know, get to work to
this new quarterback Kayden salt. I mean, you don't know
much about these guys. I mean, they had success elsewhere.
How are they going to work as a unit. How
are they going to work together as a new team. Uh,
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nobody really knows.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
It's remarkable Caden Salter are going with him as a
starting quarterback. The experience, right makes makes all the sense
in the world, especially when you factor in as Mark
was talking about your other quarterbacks. I've been seeing and
so tenteen years old, you know, in college. But I
mean again, you know, they're all relatively young, because you know,
most of these guys are young twenties if that's the oldest,
and maybe you know, late teens. So it's not like
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you're going into an NFL locker room as a seventeen
year old, but still seventeen. I mean, I was a
junior in high school, you know, and you're thinking about
those kinds of deal, and there's a maturity level, there's
a leadership thing. I imagine that that probably hit a
bit of a factor too, absolutely, and I think that's
a wise decision.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Let the guy who has the experience come in and
he's only going to be here for one year, right,
so yes, let let him watch and learn and when
he's ready. I mean, shoot, Bonnicks was twenty four when
he came out, right, I mean a lot of these
guys because the COVID year too had like fifty six
seven years, and Davon Valley was a rookie last year
at a twenty six during twenty seven come back. Then
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this is a this is you know, in favor of
your argument here, he's kind of an older guy and
so his ceiling maybe a little lower. But with Juju,
it's you know, the sky is a limit there, and
but you don't need to rush him into the onto
the field.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
He's got some time to learn and get the ropes.
You're right, but you might be wrong.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
And the only reason I say is because of the
NI right, but you're also right, well, the NIL era,
you got to constantly re recruit your own guys. And
so I say older school foot college football mentalities like
you bring a guy in and you have a plan
for him, and you let him know, hey, listen, this
first year you're going to be here, but it doesn't
necessarily mean you're going to get to play, or in
this case, they're going to do some snaps for him.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
But he's not the starter. Yeah, but the snaps I
don't I don't love that.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Put him in a quarterback here and there for a
series or some spec When does that ever worked out?
Speaker 2 (19:38):
But that that doesn't It never does. But I do well,
maybe partly because he was a five star recruits.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Oh, you want to keep him happy and you want
to leave. I'm not saying that's the reason. Yeah, but
let's be honest. We're in a new era.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Yeah, and if he's getting offers from other schools to
say seventeen whatever, we'll get started right now, come on
out ultimately about what how much money they can give him.
I mean, that's part of it, right, But the opportunity
I mean you said it. I mean the goal still
is the NFL, but it's the combination. You can make
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money and good to the NFL.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
I wonder what.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Effect should the saga of Shador Sanders has slide in
the drafts and what's going on gas the quarterback's mentality
of coming to see you.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
That's a great question. You know, that's a great question.
But because as you're committed to to see you before.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Any of that went down, that's correct, you know, Yeah,
he was here, he was here, for the Ring of
Fame ceremony. If I believe, yeah, and then yeah, the
rest is that they say is history. Yeah, that that
part is interesting. I don't.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
I wouldn't say that Shador being here had anything to
do with that. I think is more of I.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Think what a lot of a lot of people did
and we talked about in the pre draft process. It's
just like when you watch your door play, you see
some holes in his game, and I want to pile
on the guy, right, I'm hoping the best form I
think we all are, but there's certain things about his
game that needed development time. And that's not a guy
you take in the first round, not typically unless they
are unbelievable when it comes to the testing, right, like
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Josh Allen unbelievable testing. You know, Anthony Richardson is a
bit of a cautionary tale because he was an amazing
as the testing went fourth overall, and now he's not
even starting anymore. So I think if you're setured, this
is fine, everybody's gonna not overlook you, but you're not
expected to do anything early on. Sit and learn, learn
and then be good and then you hey, you'll get
a chance. You'll get your shot. Everybody does.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
See what you do with it? You think you will
get a shot. It's a start. It's Cleveland eventually.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
All right, we'll write back. I want to ask you
about Caleb Blowner. We'll get to that next. I welcome
back Broncos Country tonight coming up to the top of
the hour. Be a lot of fun here. Hey, now
with Date Jackson on a Thursday again. Tomorrow's show, I
will be a course field and be throwing out the
first pitch before that game.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
So we'll talk a little bit about that tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
We'll get to We have some really fun stuff coming
up as far as the football season goes. We have
a lot of really cool guests come out next week.
We'll get you guys, get ready for that tomorrow. But yeah,
looking forward to it. Nat Well, I had you in studio,
so we talked a little bit about, you know, run
blocking and the offensive line. But Caleb Launder has been
a very interesting topic for Broncos fans, which is I
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don't know it may maybe historically I don't realize how
much people care about seventh round picks, but this particular
seventh round pick has really been intriguing for fans, and
maybe it's because they think about Jimmy Graham and they
think about Antonio Gates and these former basketball players that
translated to the NFL and became red zone targets. And well,
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I mean Antonio Gates, Hall of Famer, Juber Graham maybe
a huge future Hall of Famer, but clearly a project.
Caleb Laander didn't make the fifty three run man roster.
A lot of people lost their minds. They sort of lot. Okay,
it was a bust pick. Really, yeah, remarkably remarkably. Well
what have you thought so far? First of all, what
you think about the exercise of drafting a basketball player
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in the seventh round that had four total receptions?
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Yeah? And then what do you think about what he's
at as far as his development? Now?
Speaker 4 (23:09):
Yeah, you take a flyer on the guy because you
like his skill set, right, and there is a precedent,
not a big one, but from turning a certain type
of basketball player into an effective tight end. You mentioned
Antonio Gates, you mentioned Jimmie Graham. But it doesn't always work,
you know, And.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
I was on this team.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
I don't know if you remember a guy named Wesley
Duke Well, who's specimen awesome dude yoked great physique and athlete,
but had never played football before and played college basketball,
and they tried to do the same thing. And actually
we had Tim Brewster, who was a tight end coach
for Antonio Gates in San Diego, came here the very
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next year and you know, was planning to do the
same thing with Wesley.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
I that was my first year as a tight end,
so I was in all.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Those meetings with Wesley, and Wesley had to learn everything.
It wasn't just you know, learn how I mean, he
had to learn how to get into three point stance
and how to you know, properly distribute the weight on
your feet and your hand in a three point stance
to get out of your stance and get into a route.
But also you don't want to be leaning on your
hand when you got to block and settle, and so
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there's there's so many compartments to being good at that position.
And yes, you might be able to go up and
snag that ball like you did a rebound, but are
you is that the only thing you can do? And
if it is, then you're not going to be able
to get on the field because you got to master
a wider skill set, and you also can't make a
mistake that's going to cost us the game. So you
gotta we gotta make sure you know the big picture.
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You got to know the game. You gotta know the
flow of the game. You got to understand the situations
of a game. So Caleb Lowner is not quite there yet,
but you see him, you stand next to him, and
you think, wow, this guy is a physical specimen. And
if we can get him to get the basics down,
then maybe he might have a career. But but he's
got to get better at blocking. And if he's the
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number three tight end out there, maybe he's got to
do some special teams work as well. I don't know
how much special teams work a guy of his size
can really.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Do, but you can do some.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
And with a guy like Evin Ingram all already on
the roster as your as your as your joker, and
then you got Adam Troutman, who's your jack of all
trades every down tight end, where does Caleb Loaner really
fit in? You know, lose croll here and Date Adkins
and those guys you know do special teams and do
some other stuff things. So you know, Jimmy Graham when
he was at the height of his power. He was
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sort of a one trick pony, but he was. But
there was no Evan Ingram on that team. Good point,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Yes there was. He was. He was the option. He
was the red zone guy.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
And so for Caleb Loaner to be that guy, a
few of these guys that are here now won't be here.
And that's okay. I mean it might take two or
three years. And I think a guy who could just
go out to practice and every day just work on
just getting better the technical stuff of the position and
don't worry about having too much on your plate or
respond like we're counting on you, Caleb this week to
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go beat the Raiders on this play. That's a lot
of pressure for a guy who's only has four receptions
in his life. So let this guy go out every day,
put his hand in the dirt, get beat up, learn
these little things about the game that is going to
benefit him. And I promise you if he's around here
next year, he will look like a different player next
training camp.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Here's Sean Payton Rilliers today talking about Caleb Blowner.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Here's the thing, there's so much unknown, right limited information,
so it has to start with developmental. It was no
different with Jimmy, you know, and then you you've just
got to see how quickly that learning curve happens. I
felt like the last ten days for him has been improved.
So that doesn't mean the developmental player by week eight
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can't all of a sudden be someone. But you know,
it's it's there's a large learning curve and he's getting it,
and he's getting better and he's improven. And you got
to remember he's two and forty seven snaps but find
behind everyone else.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
That such a good point. But he did say he
could be there by week eight. It could be there.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
There's also this thing about you know, when a guy
is that far behind and forty seven snaps behind everyone else,
he requires a level of attention from your coach that
takes away from the other guys in the room. Good point,
and so where am i, folks in my attention? It's
like the thing about Travis Hunter or Hunter wanting to
play both ways. Where do you focus your attention with Travis?
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I mean, you know those meetings are important. Every single
minute you're in a meeting, you're learning something that's relevant
on the field. So if I'm splitting, you know, for
Travis Hunter, if I'm splitting my time between the two,
you know, sides.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Of the ball, what am I missing? What am I missing?
Speaker 4 (27:42):
And what coach is going to have to stay extra
and long and do extra stuff just for me when
everyone else is moving in one direction. And that was
what I found in that tight end meeting room when
I was, you know, a young tight end and so
was Wesley trying to learn that. Brewster spent all his
time on Wesley, all of it, and I didn't get
a lot of coaching that year, you know.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
And that was okay, that's fine, But.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
The attention it takes to teach a guy the game
at that level is a little bit difficult.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
That's a good perspective, and I really appreciate that, especially
as a guy that was a wide receiver initially. Guy
moved into the tight end room and you certainly you
know a lot about what it takes to develop there.
I've always wondered this, and we were just talking about
our friend Mike Evans and him and I think share
this opinion. I think sometimes coaches have this mindset with
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a guy that is as viewed as a tight end, Well,
he's got to be a proficient blocker before I'm willing
to put him out there on the field as a
receiver too. Now I look at take Caleb Blower or
or let's just talk about Jimmy Grant for a second.
If you were to deny your team the abilities of
Jimmy Graham because you wanted him to be a proficient blocker,
you would have missed out on so much productivity on
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your offense.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
So we could say, well, Caleb Bloher is now.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
He's developing in all of this, so it's not exactly
an apples to apples thing, but let's just say he
was a great right off the bat, Like, Hey, we
see this guy as a bona fi red zone threat
and we can plug him in right now, but he's
got to learn to block.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Don't you think you'd be missing something there a little bit?
Speaker 4 (29:10):
But I do think that the more well rounded you
are as a tight end, the more advantage it gives
to your play caller, because when you you know, when
a guy runs on the field and the team knows
exactly what they're going to do, these guys on the
other side are the best of the best as well.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
And so you know if they can probably stop that.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Now Jimmy Graham is an exception, but you know, the
play caller oftentimes will wait, you know, we'll put in
a personnel group, and then based on what personnel group
the defense puts in, they'll call a play that takes
advantage of that. Of course, and so if they put
in a nickel package versus Caleb Lohner because he's out
there and they think they're going to pass the ball, well,
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for if he can block too, then it's tempting to
call the run, gotcha because now they're of other guys
on the field, not tacklers out there, and now we
got Caleb Blowner, who, if he's a good blocker, can
man handle one of those guys and eat up one
of those guys, and then we have an advantage.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
He's six with seven, Like, who's who's staying with that guy?
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Well, I mean the six foot seven guys are easy
to jam on the line of scrimmage because they can't
get low you know, lowest man wins. You've heard that
for these big tall guys. I mean they get caught
under the chin a lot. It's hard for them to
get off a press and I'm sure you saw that
with Caleb at at training camp. Really hard for him
to kind of get off the ball and into his route.
The guy was breathing up in his face because these
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guys are tiny. They're not tiny, but compared to him
they are. But they're you know, they're they're they're they're
wound very tight, and their technique is impeccable. That's the
problem for a guy who doesn't have this skill set.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
You're going up.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Against guys whose technique is impeccable. They have been doing
this since they were children, and here you are trying
to learn it now, you know, and it's it's very humbling,
and so it's gonna be it's it's a grind for Caleb,
and it's not fun for him right now. I mean,
you know, every once in a while he'll catch a
nice ball practice and that feels good for a moment,
but then the very next play in is not the
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same play Now, you got to stick your hand in
the dirt. And the more versatile you are, when you
make your weakness of strength, it makes you more valuable
to the team.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Great stuff.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
It does.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Speaking of folly below standards, Jerry Jones is at the
podium right now. Oh my, it's not great. It's not
a great look. Ben albrighton Studio Ben. We are reading
some of these quotes in the break. This might be
my favorite one.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
I really like Micah. I appreciate the four years we
had him here.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
He's a great player. No question, I could have signed
him in April. This was by design. I did make
Micah an offer and it wasn't acceptable, and I honored
that fact that it wasn't done and how he wanted
it through his agent. He also went on to say,
we did think it was in the best interest of
our organization. We gained a Pro Bowl player in the area.
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We had concerns in the facts are we need to
stop the run and we haven't been able to stop
the run for several years.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
So Katie Clark, who they're lining easy, he's putting a
positive spin.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
On it, that's right.
Speaker 6 (32:12):
Yeah, Dallas had the number seven, number five, number five
defense up until last year when Parsons got hurt and
they fell to thirty one. Stopping that run, that's definitely
the priority. I so love that we we could have signed.
I totally could have signed him in April. No, I've
got a girlfriend. She goes to a different school. He
wouldn't know her chose to Canada.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Somebody says he called him Michael again, dude, that's man,
Jerry's the show. Whatever you want to say.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
I mean, they haven't won a lot, but they are
the high It was like thirteen and a half billion.
Forbes put out their list today, thirteen and a half
billion dollars number one, the most valuable franchise in the world.
That's right, yeah, most valuable franchise. How are they still
that after being bad so long?
Speaker 3 (32:55):
What? What is it?
Speaker 1 (32:56):
It's the brand. Jerry knows the pr he knows that
he feel in jerseys and top of mind. Wow, I
don't know, man, you played for the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
You played with a team that winning was the most
important when it was the I mean, like in everything, right,
I can't even imagine what that would be like to
play there where you know, Hey, we are we're the brand.
I mean, we're the Dallas Cowboys. But winning doesn't seem
like it's the most important thing it does. It just
doesn't kind of like the Rockies, right, Oh boy, come on.
Speaker 6 (33:27):
Now, well the Rockies are not America seventy even, sure,
the Rocky Mountain Team.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Are they not worth thirteen point five billion dollars?
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Keep your punches above the belt here, come on, Yeah, well,
the perception can sometimes.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Make you feel that way.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Jerry Joe's just said, those draft picks could get us
a top Pro Bowl player, the mystery box.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
I could take the car. I could take the mystery box.
Mister box could be anything.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
He didn't be a car to first double the Pro
Bowl players that Michael Michael was only one?
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Yeah, one player? Isn't that the Devon Valley argument? Oh here, wow,
the way out? Come on, now take it some swings.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Take it some swings. I dig it, Actually I dig it.
It's actually got in my playbook.
It's a new era.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I've seen you football as we head out to the
Chatoway cowspirit Hell Highline and bring on the Voice of
the Buffalo's Mark Johnson joining us here Nate Jackson in studio.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Mark, it's always great to catch up with you, my friend.
How are you clerrel?
Speaker 3 (00:14):
And you only say those things about somebody about once
every twenty years. You'd see that like that, And I'm
not sure we're going to see that the Tramp and
Hunter for a long time.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
No, it certainly doesn't feel like that, and I think
that's led to a lot of people wondering what this
season is going to look like.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
And the expectation is kind of all over the place.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
And it's not to say that there isn't plenty of talent,
because it certainly looks like it's a very talented team.
But I guess we'll start in the big picture here, man,
what's your expectation for the season.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Kana football team. You're not going to see the high
wire acts of Shador standrews Rama Dunder. I think this
is going to be a much more run oriented team.
I spent the time yesterday with Pat Shermer and here
right right we're talking about that very thing. He's very
high on the Liberty transfer that's starting to get Quarterback
Cage Pelter, who's got a dynamic running ability and as
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a britty darn good pattered in four years at Liberty
through for nearly six out in the yard and almost
seventy touchdowns total over the course those four years. So
they put him behind a bunt improved offens line. They
brought in four new starters. Jordan Steaton is the only
offensive quarter back from a year ago, and so I
think it's gonna be a much more run oriented team
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out of the ground of town kind of deal. And
then he'll him winging around a little bit because the
one thing we know about Deah Standards knows how to
identify wide receiver in defensive backs, and they've got plenty
of them to see and they guy, I'm like, it's
Alden like the Broncos. I think the defense that the
Buffs have might be as good as any of the
Big twelve. And I'm speculating a little bit, but I'm
telling you what, it's your two for patter, Rob Livingson
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rather and I like what they've done. They brought in
some really athletic linebackers and really bultered that defensive front.
So I think it's gonna be a defensive strengthened team
and then the team that's gonna run a football and
do so. A lot of consition the basis please text
the Hope.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Anyway, Ark, you mentioned Coach Prime.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
He had some health issues in offseason. He was absent
for a while. He's back, He's coaching this team. How's
he doing. What's the vibe around Coach Prime? He's the
inspirational leader to this team. He means so much to
the team. What's your sense on how Coach Prime is
handling all this?
Speaker 3 (02:16):
You know, Nate, he and I just did our show
yesterday and somebody, it looks fantastic. Act a normal this
can be And the one thing he cantend if I've
gotten you too, after the years being around Prime, I mean,
he is all energy, all motivation, he's all does all.
I mean, he's really an interesting guy to be around.
Now he's deal with some you know, some continuing health
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issues or lifestyle issues. He talked openly about that during
his print conference, and I can't imagine that's gonna affect
him in any way, you know, that we're going to
really notice from a coaching standpoint, because I'm telling you
what the way he's been, it's been all in. So
if you're around him right now, you don't notice any
difference in him whatsoever in terms ofcount of the day
to day how he's handling himself. And like I said,
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he look fantastic right now.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Channing with Mark Johnson voice the buffs. Now, I want
to go back to the offensive side of the ball.
I like the idea of a really good running attack.
I think that's going to be good for this team.
But you had to replace so many wide receivers, right,
I mean, some of these guys making that jump to
the NFL level. I know Sincere Brown and the Campbell's
the guy that people are pretty excited about. What's that
wide receiver corps look like?
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Well, it looks like it always does, Fran I mean,
it's like I said, he identifies those body types. And
so look look at the four guys that are wide
receivers during the NFL right now, just got when they
made the cut to fifty three, four guys made NFL runchers,
and the guys he's broughten in look the same way.
I mean, they're all six two sick three. Brown's actually
six foot five. I did an interviewed with him a
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couple of weeks ago. He said, pols I am a big,
long rangey kind of guy. But you've got a couple
of Williams, a young man, both transfer guys. One Joseph
one first name, that's taking with me right now, but
another transfer guy. There are six two six three and
that two ten the two fifteen range. And then you
bring back to the two Miller Miller boys. They should
say they're not brothers, but they're both named Miller, Omyra
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Marion and dray Lawn and they were both on the
team a year ago and kind of got lost in
the shuffle of all the talent they had there. I
think they're both NFL guys. I m I remember Omarion
Miller had one huge game for the Buffaloes last year.
He broke out because there was some injuries that had
you know, by a couple of hundred yards and a
couple of touchdowns. And a Draylon Miller might be the guy.
You know we were joking about not saying same unda
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a freaker and alien Draylon Miller might have a chance
He's extremely versatile guy, plays running back, plays in a
slap and put him out wide on occasion. He really
is kind of an interesting athlete. And so they're loaded
a wide receiver once.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Again, Mark, could you talk a little bit about Kayden
Salter the quarterback and sort of his skill set and
his experience and how that's going to be valuable to
this team.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Yeah, you know, he's played a lot of football. He
and the Cape wasn't the quarterback at Clemson, I think
had scored are responsible for the most touchdowns total in
the last two seasons in college football as quarterbacks guys
that are still playing. They both have sixty six centsdowns.
One of them rushed for twenty one, the other.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Of a nineteen.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
So he's a very dynamic guy in terms of the
the athletic system. When I talked to Prime Minster, he
said why him, He said, well, he's been there, he's
done it, he's seen it, he's been part of a
football There's nothing he's going to surprise him because he's
played four years where he was competing with Judge Lewis,
who I think is going to be a star. By
the way, he was the number two high school quarterback
in America coming out and really has the chance to
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be I think, spectful and unique. But you know, he's
seventeen years old. Guys. He don't durn eighteen until he
ended September. He graduated early, so he's missing his senior
year of high school to be in college right now.
And so that was the competition really coming down of
track for the quarterback position. They went with Salter because
of how dynamic he is with his seat and how
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maturity is with his head and what he's seen from
an experience standpoint. And when I was sitting with Pat
Shermery yesterday we got talking about it, I said, is
he as good answer as you did? He goes ark
he's better than people think. And so they seem sold
on him that they think he could really have a
breakout year and kind of become a national name at quarterback.
And if he's running behind you know, the kind of
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line they hope they have, I think that's the possibility.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yeah, a lot of optimism there assaults I heard when
I when kut Frum was talking a couple of days ago,
he may sort of sound like, oh, this is sort
of a matter of fact. But the one thing that
was interesting about that. He said, Julian Lewis is going
to work into the game. What do you think that
looks like they're they're going.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
To have a package for him. Now, no one does
that look like eight ten plays the game.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
The one thing.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
And and by the way, he and Pat Shermer are
very very close. H you know, Patty when I'm talking
to Patty said, he's almost like a sun to me.
So they're they're that close and known him for a
long time. And and so that said, we're gonna be
very careful and kind of soon feed him, make sure
they put him a position where he can be successful,
right And and so they've got a package for him.
He's the kind of guy, guys, when you want him
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that blow comes out on time, on target, and it's
at tight viral and he really has an opportunity. And
I now, you know, when Gary Barnett, my partner, watches
a film Money, he says, part he's really talented, and
he said, like any young quarterback, you've got to learn
to play with some traffic in your face and kind
of how to deal with all that. So that's going
to be part of the learning curve. So They're going
to be very careful how they use him and put
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in the positions where he can be successful. He kind
of helped build that confidence that he's that he you know,
is going to need at this level. But they love
him a lot. They think he is the next star quarterback.
You know, we're really going to have Cayden Salton for
one year here at Color but I've always got left
to play, and then then it's Julian Lewis the team
until they want him to kind of be if I
can borrow that fraition from the NFL, the franchise guy
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for the next three years after this and and so
they're going to slowly kind of work him in. But
but don't be surprised if you see him in the
first game. I bet they've got eight ten plays where
they kind of look at saying this circumstance, we can utilize,
you know, his talents out there and start to kind of,
you know, give him a baptism if you will.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Man, I'm so excited about this.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Tomorrow Night's bus Georgia Tech last one for you, Mark,
always appreciate man, just to our night's game. Let's let's
talk about it for just a moment. You know, see
you hosting this game. Yeah, Georgia Tech is favored in it.
And I think we kind of understand because you don't
really know what to spec expect from CU.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
What are you expecting tomorrow night?
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Well, I think that's that's the reason, right. You know,
Vegas doesn't know what to think of Colorado because you
took out the Marque guys from a year ago and
then so there's wonderings about what the buss are. Listen,
I think Georgia Tech is. They come in off of
two consecutive seven wins seasons back to back all years.
They've got Haines King a very athletic an other guy's
gonna run. This might be the first time in my
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twenty one previous season doing a game at CEU where
I'm watching two quarterbacks who are primary runners. Because you're
gonna see that tomorrow night. Both of these guys have
put up huge numbers two years ago, Haines staying at
one thousand yard rushing season and guys, remember we saw
him he came in here and with that twenty and
twenty one where Klimu have played a top ten team
at Texas A and m at Mile heighth Stadium. He
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was the starting quarterback for A and M that day
and broke the lake halfway through the first quarter. So
the second time the buff will get a chance to
play against him. But they've got him, They've got a
dynamic running back which considered maybe the best in the ACC.
They've got high expectations. They believe they compete for they
can compete for an a SEC championship, and so they're
coming into this thinking this is a tough game. Yes,
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but again that kind of puts some on the map
for a great season. So I think it's an interesting
storyline of many a front. And then of course there's
the thirty five year debate about who should have won
the nineteen ninety national championship Georgia Sacker Colorado. What do
we find out the other day everything we thought about
tom Osbourne turned out to be absolutely true. He voted
to bust down, and so that becomes another sidebar.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
For this game as well said absolutely, I was just
thinking about that a little bit ago.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Really quick, Rolfie, what are we doing here? What's going on?
What's the latest? Are we going to have a running
Ralphie or not?
Speaker 5 (09:53):
Not?
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Tomorrow night? We're not going to now they do have
another running back. But by the way, and that really
came out and they said, the reason they're retiring her
is because she had an indifference for running. I thought
that that, right, or so Emperor or Ralpi six is
(10:14):
going to retire that he's off into you know, hanging
out eating grants and uh now the new Ralpy seven,
who they have had around for a few months, they
continue to train her. They're hopeles that you'd be ready
for game one. I think they're hoping for you know,
down the road, game two, three, four, whatever it's going
to be. But we'll see Ralpie seven at some point.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
This seem outstanding.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Mark.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
I can't wait to hear you back on the radio,
my friend. Thank you so much for the time tonight.
We always appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Thanks Mark, Okay, thank care? All right, right, Mark Johnson.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yeah, And a difference to running so so perfect, right,
I mean, he's right, that's like we all having a
difference to running for the most parts, some some more
than others. Of course, some career out of it. You
you ran a lot I did. I had not anymore,
not anymore. Do you have any difference to running now?
I would like to be able to my body won't
let me run.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
I've heard you're a good swimmer, though, I'm the fastest
swimmer in the history of the NFL.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
I can probably clocked. No, just there aren't any other
swimmers I swam. I'm swimming. Was my first love.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
I was a competitive swimmer from the age of five
until eighteen. I swam year around for about seven or
eight of those years. Oh yeah, it was it was
my It was my main thing for a while. Did
you ever think like going to the Olympics and doing yeah, okay, yeah.
Matt Beyondy was a hero of mine. You probably don't
know Matt BEYONDI BEYONDI. He had a bunch of gold
medals in the ninety two Olympics.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
I know.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Michael Phelps, Yeah, well he had a lot more.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Michael Phelps is, but Matt beyond He's probably one of
the top five American male swimmers time.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah, Mark Spitz another one of them.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
I know, because he would swim without any goggles or
a cap, and he just had his mustache and his hair,
the sash. That's what everybody remembers. Yeah, but now everybody,
I mean, not a single solitary hair is on your
body when you hit the water.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
My dad was a swimmer, like that was his thing,
and he shaves his legs because that's what you do.
Any East swim in college. It's csu And the hair
never grew back on his legs.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Way.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah, I just I just never did.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
So.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I always just used to tease about that.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
You know.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I was like, especially when I was, you know, in
middle school, and I'm like, I have a hard time
growing hair on my legs.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Is your fault?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
He's like, no, you don't understand, like it was, it
was there. I promise it's because I shaved different. I'm
sure sure you did.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Dad show you when you would shave, you'd shave for
the big meat at the end of the season. And
when you did that and when you hit the water,
I mean, you feel like a dolphin the way you
feel when you hit the water after shaving your whole body.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
It's incredible feeling.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Well.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
I was a very dedicated word for it. No, I know,
I was a very dedicated child.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Swimmer, to the point where I was going after this
league record one year when I was eight years old,
and and you know I knew that older swimmers for
big meats, they shaved.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
So I shaved my legs at eight years old.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
And one of the older girls on our swimming team said,
after you shave, you got to make sure you use
rubbing alcohol on your to prevent grown hairs. Oh so
my eight year old self in the bats up cut
myself probably ten twelve times. And then I get the uh,
the old rubin alcohol like this she told me to do.
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It was the most pain I had ever felt to
that point. But I went out there the next day.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yes I did.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
I got that league record. I bet you did, and
it still stands today. Really, no joke. Nice from like
nineteen eighty seven. That's incredible, that's remarkable. That's got ban
a league.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
But you know, but I can see now why you
say without even you know, testing or otherwise, you're the
fastest swimmer in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
That's what I think, because it's so uncommon for you know,
players to play both of those sports.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Shelby Harris says he has the best hands in the NFL.
But what do you mean, I feel well because he
when he was here, he would got interceptions or.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
He was Yeah, well no, he's very adept at blocking
knocking the ball and then he did get.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
A couple of interceptions, and he thinks he has the
best hands in the NFL. Okay, I was like, well,
there's a few broadcasters in town. They might may have
to just say about that. But whatever, It's like me
saying I'm the best pass rusher in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
If you, if you were, you the money looking like
your Parsons forty seven million dollars.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Keeps coming back to that.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Wow five six six nine zeros or KWA comas Prittel
text line, Well, thank you to Mark. We'll get the
interview at a KAWI Colorado dot com or on the
iHeartRadio app where you could listen, uh any time. Expectations
for you for see you just for a moment, like
what what is It's all over the place. There were
five I think five and a half right now in Vegas.
I I strongly want to fill the over, but I
think that's a little bit of a homer take. You
(14:36):
think so, well, yeah, because.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
I lost the Heisman Trophy winner and well and a
yeah ring a Famer quarterback he lost two ring of favors.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
And then he said it, I mean you you know
Jimmy Horn, you had uh Wester, You've got zab Yeah.
We ever, I mean, you have still a lot of
receivers that ended up going to the NFL.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
So but I you know, I don't think that's going
to be a horrible thing for for the Buffs to
sort of get back to the basics of football.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I think link you know, when you have Travis Hunter and.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
You have Shador and he's your son, and you want
you know, maybe you know, they've talked about strengthening the
offensive line. They've talked about establishing a running game. It's
the same conversation we were having about Sean Payton and
these Broncos, and hopefully see you create some more balanced
attack on offense and that allows them to be you know,
to take control of games more and not rely so
(15:25):
much on the on the shotgun drop back, you know,
throwing the ball forty to fifty times a game and
keep the quarterback clean and try to ground out the clock.
And it might be a different style of play that
we see out there, but I think it could be
good for the team.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
And I think I will go over on that five
and a half.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Okay, you are feeling optimistic despite the and I heard
today Michael Lombardi was talking on the Pat McAfee show,
and he said something very interesting because he said, it's
so difficult to really know how good you are because
you don't really scrimmage against other teams and scrimmage against yourself,
and you have expectations. He's like, but college football is
(16:03):
so different than the NFL, where we actually have these scrimmages.
You have the preseason games, there's some things, some markers
of what you think you can get away with and
do early on in the season.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
But in college football you have none of that.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
So a lot of times with these new teams and
like UNC, for example, with Bill Belichick, Oh, we're all.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Very excited to see what it looks like, but nobody
knows what.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
It's going to look like. Yeah, it's not going to
be the Patriots. You can't do that, right, But it's
his first year. We're all intrigued. Here's with coach Prime
and you brought up some of his off field health stuff.
Does that become a storyline? Hopefully not right, But that's
something that you kind of have to think about if
there are some struggles, like, hey, it's a real deal,
what's going on. So that's where I talk myself into
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the over. I think maybe bet the over allegedly, but
then simultaneously, I just don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
I just really don't know.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Yeah, well, these coaches, they're under an immense amount of stress.
And I know Coach Prime is very good at presenting
just the most positive version of himself and unaffected by
you any kind of physical limitations or pain or doubt
or anything like that. But he's a human being and
he and he just went through about a cancer, you know,
and he's got to listen to his body too, And
(17:09):
I know there's people around him who are encouraging him
do so and watching out for him and making sure
that he is doing that. But you know, and he's
not the first coach to have a serious health issue
while he's coaching. You remember Gary Kubiak famously had to
take some time off because he faced some real serious
health issues.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
A lot of these guys do.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
They put a lot of pressure on themselves to succeed,
and Coach Prime is no different, and probably even more
so with Coach Primes. So but excited to see these
these buffs go to you know, get to work to
this new quarterback Kayden salt. I mean, you don't know
much about these guys. I mean, they had success elsewhere.
How are they going to work as a unit. How
are they going to work together as a new team. Uh,
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nobody really knows.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
It's remarkable Caden Salter are going with him as a
starting quarterback. The experience, right makes makes all the sense
in the world, especially when you factor in as Mark
was talking about your other quarterbacks. I've been seeing and
so tenteen years old, you know, in college. But I
mean again, you know, they're all relatively young, because you know,
most of these guys are young twenties if that's the oldest,
and maybe you know, late teens. So it's not like
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you're going into an NFL locker room as a seventeen
year old, but still seventeen. I mean, I was a
junior in high school, you know, and you're thinking about
those kinds of deal, and there's a maturity level, there's
a leadership thing. I imagine that that probably hit a
bit of a factor too, absolutely, and I think that's
a wise decision.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Let the guy who has the experience come in and
he's only going to be here for one year, right,
so yes, let let him watch and learn and when
he's ready. I mean, shoot, Bonnicks was twenty four when
he came out, right, I mean a lot of these
guys because the COVID year too had like fifty six
seven years, and Davon Valley was a rookie last year
at a twenty six during twenty seven come back. Then
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this is a this is you know, in favor of
your argument here, he's kind of an older guy and
so his ceiling maybe a little lower. But with Juju,
it's you know, the sky is a limit there, and
but you don't need to rush him into the onto
the field.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
He's got some time to learn and get the ropes.
You're right, but you might be wrong.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
And the only reason I say is because of the
NI right, but you're also right, well, the NIL era,
you got to constantly re recruit your own guys. And
so I say older school foot college football mentalities like
you bring a guy in and you have a plan
for him, and you let him know, hey, listen, this
first year you're going to be here, but it doesn't
necessarily mean you're going to get to play, or in
this case, they're going to do some snaps for him.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
But he's not the starter. Yeah, but the snaps I
don't I don't love that.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Put him in a quarterback here and there for a
series or some spec When does that ever worked out?
Speaker 2 (19:38):
But that that doesn't It never does. But I do well,
maybe partly because he was a five star recruits.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Oh, you want to keep him happy and you want
to leave. I'm not saying that's the reason. Yeah, but
let's be honest. We're in a new era.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Yeah, and if he's getting offers from other schools to
say seventeen whatever, we'll get started right now, come on
out ultimately about what how much money they can give him.
I mean, that's part of it, right, But the opportunity
I mean you said it. I mean the goal still
is the NFL, but it's the combination. You can make
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money and good to the NFL.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
I wonder what.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Effect should the saga of Shador Sanders has slide in
the drafts and what's going on gas the quarterback's mentality
of coming to see you.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
That's a great question. You know, that's a great question.
But because as you're committed to to see you before.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Any of that went down, that's correct, you know, Yeah,
he was here, he was here, for the Ring of
Fame ceremony. If I believe, yeah, and then yeah, the
rest is that they say is history. Yeah, that that
part is interesting. I don't.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
I wouldn't say that Shador being here had anything to
do with that. I think is more of I.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Think what a lot of a lot of people did
and we talked about in the pre draft process. It's
just like when you watch your door play, you see
some holes in his game, and I want to pile
on the guy, right, I'm hoping the best form I
think we all are, but there's certain things about his
game that needed development time. And that's not a guy
you take in the first round, not typically unless they
are unbelievable when it comes to the testing, right, like
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Josh Allen unbelievable testing. You know, Anthony Richardson is a
bit of a cautionary tale because he was an amazing
as the testing went fourth overall, and now he's not
even starting anymore. So I think if you're setured, this
is fine, everybody's gonna not overlook you, but you're not
expected to do anything early on. Sit and learn, learn
and then be good and then you hey, you'll get
a chance. You'll get your shot. Everybody does.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
See what you do with it? You think you will
get a shot. It's a start. It's Cleveland eventually.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
All right, we'll write back. I want to ask you
about Caleb Blowner. We'll get to that next. I welcome
back Broncos Country tonight coming up to the top of
the hour. Be a lot of fun here. Hey, now
with Date Jackson on a Thursday again. Tomorrow's show, I
will be a course field and be throwing out the
first pitch before that game.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
So we'll talk a little bit about that tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
We'll get to We have some really fun stuff coming
up as far as the football season goes. We have
a lot of really cool guests come out next week.
We'll get you guys, get ready for that tomorrow. But yeah,
looking forward to it. Nat Well, I had you in studio,
so we talked a little bit about, you know, run
blocking and the offensive line. But Caleb Launder has been
a very interesting topic for Broncos fans, which is I
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don't know it may maybe historically I don't realize how
much people care about seventh round picks, but this particular
seventh round pick has really been intriguing for fans, and
maybe it's because they think about Jimmy Graham and they
think about Antonio Gates and these former basketball players that
translated to the NFL and became red zone targets. And well,
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I mean Antonio Gates, Hall of Famer, Juber Graham maybe
a huge future Hall of Famer, but clearly a project.
Caleb Laander didn't make the fifty three run man roster.
A lot of people lost their minds. They sort of lot. Okay,
it was a bust pick. Really, yeah, remarkably remarkably. Well
what have you thought so far? First of all, what
you think about the exercise of drafting a basketball player
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in the seventh round that had four total receptions?
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Yeah? And then what do you think about what he's
at as far as his development? Now?
Speaker 4 (23:09):
Yeah, you take a flyer on the guy because you
like his skill set, right, and there is a precedent,
not a big one, but from turning a certain type
of basketball player into an effective tight end. You mentioned
Antonio Gates, you mentioned Jimmie Graham. But it doesn't always work,
you know, And.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
I was on this team.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
I don't know if you remember a guy named Wesley
Duke Well, who's specimen awesome dude yoked great physique and athlete,
but had never played football before and played college basketball,
and they tried to do the same thing. And actually
we had Tim Brewster, who was a tight end coach
for Antonio Gates in San Diego, came here the very
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next year and you know, was planning to do the
same thing with Wesley.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
I that was my first year as a tight end,
so I was in all.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Those meetings with Wesley, and Wesley had to learn everything.
It wasn't just you know, learn how I mean, he
had to learn how to get into three point stance
and how to you know, properly distribute the weight on
your feet and your hand in a three point stance
to get out of your stance and get into a route.
But also you don't want to be leaning on your
hand when you got to block and settle, and so
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there's there's so many compartments to being good at that position.
And yes, you might be able to go up and
snag that ball like you did a rebound, but are
you is that the only thing you can do? And
if it is, then you're not going to be able
to get on the field because you got to master
a wider skill set, and you also can't make a
mistake that's going to cost us the game. So you
gotta we gotta make sure you know the big picture.
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You got to know the game. You gotta know the
flow of the game. You got to understand the situations
of a game. So Caleb Lowner is not quite there yet,
but you see him, you stand next to him, and
you think, wow, this guy is a physical specimen. And
if we can get him to get the basics down,
then maybe he might have a career. But but he's
got to get better at blocking. And if he's the
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number three tight end out there, maybe he's got to
do some special teams work as well. I don't know
how much special teams work a guy of his size
can really.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Do, but you can do some.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
And with a guy like Evin Ingram all already on
the roster as your as your as your joker, and
then you got Adam Troutman, who's your jack of all
trades every down tight end, where does Caleb Loaner really
fit in? You know, lose croll here and Date Adkins
and those guys you know do special teams and do
some other stuff things. So you know, Jimmy Graham when
he was at the height of his power. He was
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sort of a one trick pony, but he was. But
there was no Evan Ingram on that team. Good point,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Yes there was. He was. He was the option. He
was the red zone guy.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
And so for Caleb Loaner to be that guy, a
few of these guys that are here now won't be here.
And that's okay. I mean it might take two or
three years. And I think a guy who could just
go out to practice and every day just work on
just getting better the technical stuff of the position and
don't worry about having too much on your plate or
respond like we're counting on you, Caleb this week to
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go beat the Raiders on this play. That's a lot
of pressure for a guy who's only has four receptions
in his life. So let this guy go out every day,
put his hand in the dirt, get beat up, learn
these little things about the game that is going to
benefit him. And I promise you if he's around here
next year, he will look like a different player next
training camp.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Here's Sean Payton Rilliers today talking about Caleb Blowner.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Here's the thing, there's so much unknown, right limited information,
so it has to start with developmental. It was no
different with Jimmy, you know, and then you you've just
got to see how quickly that learning curve happens. I
felt like the last ten days for him has been improved.
So that doesn't mean the developmental player by week eight
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can't all of a sudden be someone. But you know,
it's it's there's a large learning curve and he's getting it,
and he's getting better and he's improven. And you got
to remember he's two and forty seven snaps but find
behind everyone else.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
That such a good point. But he did say he
could be there by week eight. It could be there.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
There's also this thing about you know, when a guy
is that far behind and forty seven snaps behind everyone else,
he requires a level of attention from your coach that
takes away from the other guys in the room. Good point,
and so where am i, folks in my attention? It's
like the thing about Travis Hunter or Hunter wanting to
play both ways. Where do you focus your attention with Travis?
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I mean, you know those meetings are important. Every single
minute you're in a meeting, you're learning something that's relevant
on the field. So if I'm splitting, you know, for
Travis Hunter, if I'm splitting my time between the two,
you know, sides.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Of the ball, what am I missing? What am I missing?
Speaker 4 (27:42):
And what coach is going to have to stay extra
and long and do extra stuff just for me when
everyone else is moving in one direction. And that was
what I found in that tight end meeting room when
I was, you know, a young tight end and so
was Wesley trying to learn that. Brewster spent all his
time on Wesley, all of it, and I didn't get
a lot of coaching that year, you know.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
And that was okay, that's fine, But.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
The attention it takes to teach a guy the game
at that level is a little bit difficult.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
That's a good perspective, and I really appreciate that, especially
as a guy that was a wide receiver initially. Guy
moved into the tight end room and you certainly you
know a lot about what it takes to develop there.
I've always wondered this, and we were just talking about
our friend Mike Evans and him and I think share
this opinion. I think sometimes coaches have this mindset with
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a guy that is as viewed as a tight end, Well,
he's got to be a proficient blocker before I'm willing
to put him out there on the field as a
receiver too. Now I look at take Caleb Blower or
or let's just talk about Jimmy Grant for a second.
If you were to deny your team the abilities of
Jimmy Graham because you wanted him to be a proficient blocker,
you would have missed out on so much productivity on
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your offense.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
So we could say, well, Caleb Bloher is now.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
He's developing in all of this, so it's not exactly
an apples to apples thing, but let's just say he
was a great right off the bat, Like, Hey, we
see this guy as a bona fi red zone threat
and we can plug him in right now, but he's
got to learn to block.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Don't you think you'd be missing something there a little bit?
Speaker 4 (29:10):
But I do think that the more well rounded you
are as a tight end, the more advantage it gives
to your play caller, because when you you know, when
a guy runs on the field and the team knows
exactly what they're going to do, these guys on the
other side are the best of the best as well.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
And so you know if they can probably stop that.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Now Jimmy Graham is an exception, but you know, the
play caller oftentimes will wait, you know, we'll put in
a personnel group, and then based on what personnel group
the defense puts in, they'll call a play that takes
advantage of that. Of course, and so if they put
in a nickel package versus Caleb Lohner because he's out
there and they think they're going to pass the ball, well,
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for if he can block too, then it's tempting to
call the run, gotcha because now they're of other guys
on the field, not tacklers out there, and now we
got Caleb Blowner, who, if he's a good blocker, can
man handle one of those guys and eat up one
of those guys, and then we have an advantage.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
He's six with seven, Like, who's who's staying with that guy?
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Well, I mean the six foot seven guys are easy
to jam on the line of scrimmage because they can't
get low you know, lowest man wins. You've heard that
for these big tall guys. I mean they get caught
under the chin a lot. It's hard for them to
get off a press and I'm sure you saw that
with Caleb at at training camp. Really hard for him
to kind of get off the ball and into his route.
The guy was breathing up in his face because these
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guys are tiny. They're not tiny, but compared to him
they are. But they're you know, they're they're they're they're
wound very tight, and their technique is impeccable. That's the
problem for a guy who doesn't have this skill set.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
You're going up.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Against guys whose technique is impeccable. They have been doing
this since they were children, and here you are trying
to learn it now, you know, and it's it's very humbling,
and so it's gonna be it's it's a grind for Caleb,
and it's not fun for him right now. I mean,
you know, every once in a while he'll catch a
nice ball practice and that feels good for a moment,
but then the very next play in is not the
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same play Now, you got to stick your hand in
the dirt. And the more versatile you are, when you
make your weakness of strength, it makes you more valuable
to the team.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Great stuff.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
It does.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Speaking of folly below standards, Jerry Jones is at the
podium right now. Oh my, it's not great. It's not
a great look. Ben albrighton Studio Ben. We are reading
some of these quotes in the break. This might be
my favorite one.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
I really like Micah. I appreciate the four years we
had him here.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
He's a great player. No question, I could have signed
him in April. This was by design. I did make
Micah an offer and it wasn't acceptable, and I honored
that fact that it wasn't done and how he wanted
it through his agent. He also went on to say,
we did think it was in the best interest of
our organization. We gained a Pro Bowl player in the area.
(31:56):
We had concerns in the facts are we need to
stop the run and we haven't been able to stop
the run for several years.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
So Katie Clark, who they're lining easy, he's putting a
positive spin.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
On it, that's right.
Speaker 6 (32:12):
Yeah, Dallas had the number seven, number five, number five
defense up until last year when Parsons got hurt and
they fell to thirty one. Stopping that run, that's definitely
the priority. I so love that we we could have signed.
I totally could have signed him in April. No, I've
got a girlfriend. She goes to a different school. He
wouldn't know her chose to Canada.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Somebody says he called him Michael again, dude, that's man,
Jerry's the show. Whatever you want to say.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
I mean, they haven't won a lot, but they are
the high It was like thirteen and a half billion.
Forbes put out their list today, thirteen and a half
billion dollars number one, the most valuable franchise in the world.
That's right, yeah, most valuable franchise. How are they still
that after being bad so long?
Speaker 3 (32:55):
What? What is it?
Speaker 1 (32:56):
It's the brand. Jerry knows the pr he knows that
he feel in jerseys and top of mind. Wow, I
don't know, man, you played for the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
You played with a team that winning was the most
important when it was the I mean, like in everything, right,
I can't even imagine what that would be like to
play there where you know, Hey, we are we're the brand.
I mean, we're the Dallas Cowboys. But winning doesn't seem
like it's the most important thing it does. It just
doesn't kind of like the Rockies, right, Oh boy, come on.
Speaker 6 (33:27):
Now, well the Rockies are not America seventy even, sure,
the Rocky Mountain Team.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Are they not worth thirteen point five billion dollars?
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Keep your punches above the belt here, come on, Yeah, well,
the perception can sometimes.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Make you feel that way.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Jerry Joe's just said, those draft picks could get us
a top Pro Bowl player, the mystery box.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
I could take the car. I could take the mystery box.
Mister box could be anything.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
He didn't be a car to first double the Pro
Bowl players that Michael Michael was only one?
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Yeah, one player? Isn't that the Devon Valley argument? Oh here, wow,
the way out? Come on, now take it some swings.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Take it some swings. I dig it, Actually I dig it.
It's actually got in my playbook.
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