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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Game.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
I'm going to be throwing out the first pitch here
and a little over two hours look forward to that.
Of course, from clouds to kind of rolling in, we'll
see how that works out. Its supposed to be pretty
inclement weather up in the ceu 've in Boulder tonight
as well for the Buffs and the Georgia Tech game,
so that could impact things as well. Five six six
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nine zers are Ka with Commas Bearhealth text line. We've
been talking a lot about the Micah Parsons deal because
it's been sitting reverberations through the NFL all sorts of
layers to this discussion. We'll hear from Sean Payton coming
up here in just a little bit. He had some
very intriguing things to say about the first game of
the season coming up next Sunday. But fellas the Nick
Benita part of this, I think we're all on the
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same page. The Nick Benito is not going to be
marching into George Payton's office immediately after this Micah Parsons
deal in demanding north of forty seven million.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
It was fascinating last night.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
It seemed like fans run the impression that any kind
of conversation about Nick Benito and Michael Parsons was like, well,
they're not the same player, and there's no way that
he should be asking for that, and we should trade
him immediately if some reason he does demand these things.
I don't think Nick Benito and his camp are looking
for that. But then you said it right away, and
I completely agree with you that this does move the
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number a bit north for Nick Benito after the Parsons deal.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
What do you think that range looks like?
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Well, I mean, you're negotiating against the franchise tag, right
because he's the second round player. There's no fifth year
option for Nick Benito, so you're negotiating against the franchise tag,
which means, which is a gonna be one.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
Year average the top five It is gonna be thirty
seven ish.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Your aav on a long term deal's gonna be lower
than that, right, So he's not coming in and gonna
hit the forty million dollars. Me putting that tweet out
yesterday and people like, he's not gonna get Parsons money.
I never said he was. I'm just saying that raises
the floor because it raises what the franchise tag number
is at the end.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Of the day.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
I expect Nick Benito to come in somewhere between twenty
eight and thirty two million. That would put him in
the range Brian Burns to Nick Bosa range, and I
expect a deal to come in at that average value.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Nick, you get that deal done, Like if that, if
that's the offer ultimately on the table, what are you
saying if you're the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Well, I agree with ben because the deal is not
going to be where Trey Henderson deal is because I
know he got a one year, thirty million dollars year,
so he gets a chance to dip back in that
financial pool next season. But with Michael Parsons deal, No,
I don't foresee Nick Benito's deal being exactly like Parsons
because Parson's been in the league longer. Parsons has shown
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in four five consecutive seasons that he's a double digit
sack type of guy. And when you look at the
age difference between these two players, I think Mike is
maybe twenty eight or something like that, and no, MIC's
twenty six and you look at Nick Benito, Nick Benito
maybe twenty five or something like that, So they're not
too far apart. But Nick Benito is an explosive player.
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He is a player who's a developed into a game changer.
One sack his first year, eight sacks, the second year,
third year, thirteen and a half off the chart, So
you know he's starting to develop and get better as
of your years go on. And with Vance Joseph being
his defensive coordinator, the opportunities are gonna be there for
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him to actually have another double digit sack year. And
I don't know who these individuals you're speaking of who
are saying, you know, trade him right now and do
all that. Once again, as a former player, I would say,
every former player, you're only part of that fan base.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
Why you're there.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
They're gonna love you. Why you're part of that fan base.
Now the business aspect of football takes place when you leave.
They're gonna be individuals who are going to love you
based on what you did for them, but they are
gonna be other section of fans who are not gonna
like you. So I tell them fans kick rocks. So
this is what Nick Benito should be thinking about right now.
Fans are the deal hasn't even been done, has been
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even signed, He hasn't made saying anything about it Ryan
where it's an important thing for him. He's like, you
know what, in due time that happened. I'm focused on
getting back on the field the bone spur and getting
out there and playing. It's everyone else who they're talking
it up. We're talking it up right now. So once again,
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this is the part of fandom and the whole idea
of being a fanatic that I absolutely hate. Because when
vond left there was once again it was a section
of people who were sad. But then there was a
section of people, Oh, well, he's over the heel and whatever,
and guess what, went to the Rams and won a
Super Bowl?
Speaker 6 (04:35):
How about that?
Speaker 3 (04:36):
How about that?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Let me ask you something, Ben, if there is a
lesson to learn here that the Broncos can utilize. So
we talked about it in the last segment, just saying
that the Dallas Cowboys should have acted earlier.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Now again, hindsighted being what it is.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
You don't know in the moment you thought it was
going to get done, it didn't get done, so you
ended up getting less as a result. So for the Broncos,
who Nick Beneil enters his final year, you probably don't
want him to get all the way to free agency
or even flirt with free agency. I guess you have
in your back pocket a franchise tag. But do you
consider do you consider something at the trade deadline if
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for some reason you are still very far apart between
what he.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Thinks he should get and what you think he should get, Well,
I think you.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Weigh all that when that when that gets there, I
think right now, you know the Broncos shot out their
their first offer a while back. It was a low
ball offer, because that's what you do in negotiations, right,
and you know they came back. The Benito in their
camp now is going to come back with a counteroffer
to that, which is going to be high the number,
and you work away in the middle, and it just
sort of depends how far off the mark those two
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numbers are.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
Where the the you know, the medium number there is
how far apart that is.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
And as you get closer to the trade deadline, you
start to see, okay, this is how much they budge,
how much we budged.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
It's a room here.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Then then you start to factor that in, all right, well,
what can we get back in compensation? Is it worth
it for us to instead apply the franchise next year.
There are all kinds of weapons at the at the
Broncos disposal. Here, the player really does not have a
lot of leverage other than threatening not to play on
the tag, which would be bad because you're just you know,
shorting yourself guaranteed money there.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
So I don't you know, you.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Look at you look at this this situation, and I
don't think there's a hurry to do it, but I
think at the trade deadline you do have to weigh
what the offers are. You remember, this is a general
manager who got a first round for Bradley Chubb. We
have the trade deadline before, so you know it's not like, uh,
Wheland deal and Payton can't get it.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Done well in the second and third for von Right.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
I mean even at that time, I remember we all said, like,
there is gonna be a team that's gonna give you
what it's worth to not have him on your team.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Right.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
In a lot of ways, this is like the Devon
Vley conversation we had just a couple of weeks ago,
where it's like it's got to be something that you
feel as though you losing that caliber a player on
your team which you have aspirations of winning right now
makes it worth it, like as a future payoff.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
It makes it work, it worth.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
It, And that's obviously a different deal than what's happening
with Michael Parsons. This is just an untenable situation that
they kind of had to use the escape patch on.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
But there's lessons here, and again, I feel.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Like the Broncos are in a really good spot overall anyways,
because the communication has been significantly better than anything that
we've been hearing out of Dallas.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Nick.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
I mean that for me is where I start with
why I have optimism, Like I don't want to go
down the road, as you pointed out of fandom, where
we start panicking before there's anything to panic about. And
the reason why I don't think we have to do
that is because this organization has been doing such a
great job and it's why all these guys have shown
up for everything throughout OTA's and training camp in the preseason.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Yeah, it's important to draft and develop your guys, and
you don't always see that in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
You know, teams draft.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Guys and then only to pawn them off and let
someone else have enjoy the fruits of their labor. Because
of that, player's development, and for me, it would be
sad to see Nick Benito go and Ben and I
talked about it before. When you look at what the
Broncos have done as far as ad depth, it is
both a gift and a curse. You have Ke Robinson
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who looks like he's going to turn into a monster
of an edge rusher, and then you have Jonah Ellis,
So you have guys. So the fan base starts to think, well,
we don't need Nick Benito anymore. We're already good, so
let's kick him to the curve and let's allow those
young guys to come in. Does it save the organization
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money Absolutely if they were to move on from Nick Benito,
But that doesn't necessarily guarantee you're going to get.
Speaker 6 (08:40):
The same level of production.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
So I say, man, best bet is you try to
work out a deal more sooner than later, because when
you look at the actual deal with like a parson
like Ben mentioned, I mean, that's kind of what Jerry
Jones played for the Cowboys to begin with when he
first purchased them. And the price is not going to
go down. I don't milk butter eggs. The prices are
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up right, It's trending up, so is the price for
edge rushes because guess what, look at the level of
quarterback play in the division, in the conference. You need
confidence to know that I got a veteran impact guy,
not a guy Ryan that could go in and give
me a couple of plays here and there. No, no, no, no, no,
I got a guy that I can I can move
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all over the place Vance Joseph like a Michael Parson
to meet and man, either you.
Speaker 6 (09:34):
Have one or you don't, and you can't let that
do out of the building.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
That perfectly said.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
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Speaker 3 (10:05):
Slash teachers.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Some fascinating to things to say, not only about the
inside linebackers, for the Broncos, but also about Sam Ellinger
and what he turned down to stay here with the
Denver Broncos.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
I am live here from Corsefield. It is KWA night
here for the Rockies and Cubs.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Somebody of the text line five six six nine zeros
to say here nervousness in your voice, Ryan, don't mess up.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Well, I didn't think about messing up until you texted me.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
Now we can hear the quiver. We can hear the
quiver in your voice.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Man, is it coming through?
Speaker 5 (10:38):
Is it inches closer?
Speaker 4 (10:39):
We can hear your that that uh, that vibrano is
starting to get a little a little shakier.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Do I sound like Barry Gibb or something. Yeah, that's
that's strong.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
Furiously over there trying to clip that one right now.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Yeah, well we'll hear that later. As we offer to
say on this show, gret doesn't miss No, I don't.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Actually I feel I feel all right. I got out
and you know, through to the baseball a little earlier today.
Thank you. Shout out to to missus Edwards for catching
a few few stray balls. But I think they were okay,
We're good. I think I'm feeling pretty good today. Hey, Nick,
you got any advice for me?
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Take a deep breath, don't mess up, stretch, and just
try to get the ball over the plate. Now, what
I don't want you to do, right, which which there's
always a tendency for us to do as individuals, don't
try to do too much. Yeah, you know, don't don't
they don't have someone make a jiff of you and
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just put on there.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
Doing too much. Just just throw the ball straight.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Yeah right, I know Dave was joking earlier when I
was with you guys, okay on sports about you throwing
eighty miles an hour.
Speaker 6 (11:55):
Look, man, just just get it over the plate, all right,
that's what you That's all you need to do.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Don't need don't don't try to be you know, one
of these uh uh pictures of old like uh Smoltz
of Glabyn.
Speaker 6 (12:12):
Just be Ryan Edwards. Okay, that's what I want you
to do. That's my my best talk for you, and
very helpful.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
Then I say throw all that out and John Rocker
it up running out there.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Hey listen, Ryan, to better help you out on this
task you have tonight. Now, who's who's catching for you? Well?
Speaker 2 (12:30):
It was Dinger last time I don't know if that's
gonna be the case, but I I'm gonna guess is
probably Dinger.
Speaker 6 (12:34):
Okay, Well, Dinger is gonna have a glove in his hand.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Correct.
Speaker 6 (12:38):
Okay, So here's what.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
I want you to do, just to make sure that
you hit cinner mask. Picture Ben's face in the middle
of that glove. Okay, And I'm sure if you do that,
bull money in the bank.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Picture Ben's face. Ben is very nice face. Why why
would I want to damage it with a baseball?
Speaker 6 (12:57):
Well, it's not.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
I don't think anybody's in any danger if you image
you getnything.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
With the baseball.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I'm trying to help you out, man, I'm just trying
to help me, give you some motivation.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
You're saying, like the breeze out here back on your face.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
If you ever get to do this a third time,
I'm lining up as a batter down there with you,
and we're having a Nolan Ryan Robin Ventura moment.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
You know, you charge the battle. I'm Dolan, though, you beat.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
Me and and we're gonna Robin Venture is gonna get revenge.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
No, it did work out so well for Vitura. Let's
be honest.
Speaker 7 (13:30):
This is this is the money's in the rematch, you
know what, it will be great. Then brings up a
very interesting point. So the next time you do this,
put him at the plate. It won't be hilarious if
you just went yard when you threw the ball across
the floor.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
If he beats me, Yeah, I don't. I don't know
if you really want uh Ryan wild Thing Edwards throwing it.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
I'm saying we should do that.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
We should orchestrate a whole bit that I charge him
out and like you know, we do like a fake fight.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
No, I know, I don't need I don't.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Need added pressure, the fact that I have to ork
straight some kind of fight with you afterwards. We Can's
enough for me just to get it, get it over
the plate and not embarrass myself.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Then I would think of you, of all people, you
would be supportive of that.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
So you're saying you don't want me to throw you
a curveball.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
I do not want that. I'm good. I'm good, and.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
You know what you get here and hopefully you know
you'll see the video on Twitter because you're coming out
here for k WA night and listen, I'm all right
to the texture that that is worried about me being nervous.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
I'm all right, I'm good.
Speaker 6 (14:28):
Ryan. Is your family You're going to be in attendance.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
They are going to be here.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Added pressure though, Okay, what will your kids friends be
watching this game?
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Probably?
Speaker 6 (14:39):
Have you got to come through, man, You got to
come through helping. If you don't do it for you,
that's not You.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Got to do it for your girls, man, because you
don't want your girls to go to school and be like,
is your dad Ryan Edwards now?
Speaker 6 (14:53):
And they showed you to fallow?
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Is this him this last night?
Speaker 8 (14:57):
Man?
Speaker 6 (14:57):
You don't want that?
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Dude?
Speaker 6 (14:58):
Yes, if they auto tune him, he.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
Didn't say anything.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
I like the text line Davis watching now, Davis coaching tonight, Dave.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Dave doesn't.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
He would he would be watching, but he is not
watching because he's coaching.
Speaker 6 (15:11):
Dave said he's going to have a representative watching.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Oh, he did say that. He did say that.
Speaker 6 (15:16):
Now.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
By the way, the text line is blowing up right
now with the pictures.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Ben's face throws a ninety nine mile an hour an
eater light down the middle.
Speaker 6 (15:26):
A minute.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
If we did like the remember what Fangio did the
dunk tank, If we did the dunk take, I would have.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
A line a mile long. Oh my god, you can
outside in the round.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
Of course, line is wrapped around McGregor square.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
People like, wait a minute, are they giving up bubble
head dogs? No, no, no, we get a chance to sink.
Benjamin Albright, Yep, yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
How many of your two hundred thousand followers would show up?
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Hundred thousand of them?
Speaker 4 (15:50):
He got people flying in from the last right, Rosie's
paying to fly people in.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Awesome, It would be awesome.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
You know, I will come back Ryan, real quickly. It
would be great if they did that on the upper deck.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
M that would be fun. That's a good marketing idea
for charity, for charity kids.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
I'm here for the kids. You are here for just
the way Bill Murray was in Kington.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Jeez, all right, we'll be right back right here from
Sean Payton coming up next, easing up at fulsome taking
on Georgia Tech.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
We'll get back into that game here in just a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Ryan Edwards, Benjamin all Bright, Nick Ferguson with you until
six o'clock when we hand things off to Jack and
Jerry for the Rockies broadcast. The cloud's kind of rolling
in here. I've seen some interesting weather reports. I'm hoping
that we end up staying dry here, but there's a
possibility of some inclement weather. We'll keep posting on all that.
Certainly the same thing up there in fulsome I've heard
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that the rains kind of coming in. We had Connor
Streeve came down here to shoot some video of me
talking about the first pitch and that'll be up on
our social media here in just a little bit. So
the rain was kind of coming in up there for
a moment. How in Europe, and I'll start with you, Nick,
how in your opinion would that maybe impact tonight's See
You game if it ends up being kind of one
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of those rain games.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
Well, then.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
The scales tilt towards Georgia Tech because at that point
it makes the ball slicker to grip.
Speaker 6 (17:27):
And with that being said, you have.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Jamal Haines and Haines king that Brent Chie can actually
lean on. You do a lot of RPOs design quarterback runs.
And here's the interesting thing about it. These two teams
back in the day, going back to eighty nine and ninety,
both of these teams ran the option and they ran
it well right and right now, See You as not
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an option team. Georgia Tech can still do it if
they wanted to with Haines King. And that's not to
say that Cayden sol To can I do it, but
that's not a staple of Pat Sherman's offense. So if
the weather is bad, it's some drizzle, then you have
to think that it favors Georgia Tech a load.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
And I know, see you change their surface.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Their playing surf is no longer grass, it's somewhat of
a turf. But it's just bass security could be an issue.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Okay, all right, so that's something obviously we'll be paying
attention to tonight. But yeah, Buff's season underway tomorrow. By
the way, speaking of college football being back, this is
such a great weekend. I love that college football gets
this weekend. I know inevitably NFL will find a way
to bleed into even this weekend, but this weekend is
a fun one and tomorrow the Marquee game Ohio State
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and Texas one versus three ben that right there is
gonna be a lot of fun, although interesting for that
game specifically, like all eyes on arch Manning. But it
was interesting watching some of the covers today for ESPN
because they're kind of trying to talk down the ability
of arch Manning, like as if the old off season
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been spent talking about this guy has already won the Heisman.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Do you agree with that sentiment?
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Well, yeah, I think the Manning family understands public relations
and that how high the bar has gotten.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
So you talk it back down to to make sure
that he clears it right.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Because right now, as it stands, if he doesn't go
out in New Ohio State for four touchdowns in the
air and four on the ground, and you know a
combined eight hundred yards, is Arch Manning even Really even
a Manning might have to be arch Bridgewater at that point.
So you know, I think that's I think they play
in the pr game as far as that goes. A
lot of those guys over there at ESPN, No, No,
Archie pretty well and you know he knows how to
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get a hold people, and like, let's let's talk this
down for a little bit. This Ohio State. It's a
very fast, very good defense. The line has been shifting.
Texas startup plus three. I think they're plus one now
on that one. So something to keep your eye on,
no doubt. Unlet's hear from Sean Payton.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
I want to start with the inside linebackers because this
has been a story all off season and especially when
le Broncos signed Drake Greenlaw in free agency. Then shortly
after that he had the quad injury. Ben that you
reported on Alex Singleton coming off of an ACL tear,
he injures his thumb and camp green Law also gets
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hurt in camp, so that it has been a big storyline.
We heard from Sean Payton yesterday when he was asked
about Drake green Law and Singleton, and interestingly enough, the
way he was asked this question is is more about
the depth and the fact that they're keeping three inside
linebackers on the practice squad along with the two inside
linebackers that back up these two guys.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Here's what he said, Alex.
Speaker 8 (20:36):
Is coming back off of an injury, Dre's coming back.
You know, we got to be smart and look at
pitch counts and be ready to play some younger players
and not just say, hey, Week one, we're throwing them
out there for seventy plays.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Now, I have two thoughts on that, Ben, I'll start
with you. Two thoughts on that. So, so, first of all,
big picture, that's probably the right thing to do.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
The backups to Drake Greenlaw and Alex Singleton, and it's
not to say they're both going to be out at
the same time, but the backups are as we've as
we've seen are really not starting caliber inside linebackers. So
how big of an impact even in early parts of
the season do you think this could be?
Speaker 4 (21:16):
Coy austern Not has just been out there as a
starter before the hold on, hold on, I'm I'm not
willing to dismiss him as far the thing is derailed.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
His career has been injury, not so far play. As
far as the rest of it goes.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
With Karan Reid and Lavelle Bailey, you know, I think
they've they've adjudicated themselves well as they could for young guys.
Definitely a drop off from you know, guys that are
Pro Bowl caliber players like Singleton and especially green Law.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
But the service will start. We you know, it's kind
of interesting.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
We saw Singleton go out last year, Cody Barton stepped in,
and we weren't complaining about Singleton being gone all year.
So as much as I am worried about that depth,
on the one hand, I am not worried about Vans
Joseph's ability to get those inside backers ready to play.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
On the other okay, how about you, Nick see unlike
you and because you seem like you were about to
jump in and destroy Justin Schanad, Yes, exactly. He had
three sacks last season and he had seventy three tackles,
and I know he's not viewed as being linebacker number one,
but he filled in pretty good. And here's I think
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the thinking is that when you think about the edge rush,
you think about DJ Jones, Zach Allen, right, John Franklin Myers,
those guys can kind of make up for maybe some
deficiencies on the second level because when I played, you know,
when I think about big Tim Bowens, who played down
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and with the Miami Dolphins, when Patser Tan's father was
playing for the Dolphins, I mean, Zach Thomas was the
middle linebacker. He wasn't fast, he wasn't big, but they
cover him up with the deep, with the interior defensive pressure,
which allowed him to run sideline the salade. So now
the Broncos have somewhat of that up front, and that's
how you protect those linebackers. And oh, by the way,
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why do you think Johnny Barron was drafted, you still
got take Kwa McMillan, and if you ever find yourself
in a situation, you can put one of those guys
in the back. Well, put one of them those guys
at safety and bring down we'll fin'ly gonna let him
play in the box. So there's a multitude of things
that Broncos can do. So I'm not heavily worried and
concern but I'm just this is definitely a group I'm
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gonna keep a look out on this season.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Okay, all right, listen. I like the optimism.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Again, I didn't know where you guys would go with it,
but I like your optimism within and I guess I
can I can sort of ride with this. I think
my first instinct on it had more to do with
us measuring this against possibly the best defense in the
league this year and what it would be like to
take starting caliber inside linebackers off the field. But like
I said, big picture, I think this is probably the
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smart thing to do. And as he pointed out, you
don't want to drop those guys in there for seventy
plays in Week one. Nothing necessarily will play seventy plays
versus the Tennessee Titans. But if that was the case,
I could see where that would be a bit problem
back and this is part of ben why the Broncos
have had the success I think over the last couple
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of years with Sean Payton and what they've been doing
with their strength and conditioning.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Yeah, I mean, they certainly have a plan that they
believe works, and anecdotally over the last couple of years,
the certain there's been a downturn and injury for the Broncos.
Whether that's luck or whether that's a byproduct of this
plan that they put in place, we don't really know.
It's kind of a small sample size, but they certainly
have a plan they believe in and there's no there's
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certainly not the evidence to change it yet at this point,
because the anecdotal claims of the last couple of years
show that it's worked so far.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Okay, well then we move on.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
I'll I go see this one to you guys into
the Broncos for a feeling as though that they're going
to be in pretty good shape.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
With that, I want to get to the sam Ellinger thing.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
This is what Sean had to say, because we found
when sam Ellinger agreed to come back to the Broncos
as the third string quarterback. But on the practice squad, Ben,
you did a great job, I thought, breaking down the
difference in money that he was making as a practice
squad player versus active roster. Now we again talked about
it that night, saying, well, he's going to get a
lot of call He's going to get the call ups, right,
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he's also going to probably eventually be on.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
The fifty three man. So there's a little bit of
a week in a nod that this is what it's
going to be.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
But really interesting from Sean because he made it sound
like Sam Ellinger turned down backups like it being the
number two on a couple of teams.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Here's what he said.
Speaker 8 (25:36):
Man fired up to have Sam back. And you guys
know the stories. This is the first time, this is
the first time I can ever recall. And we spent
a lot of time talking with him where a player
like Sam had an opportunity with two clubs to go
be the two and chose to stay and that's a
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credit to the program. And I said to him, I said, look,
it's the same thing I said to Teddy Bridgewater or
any of these guys.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
My job is to make you a lot.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Of money here or somewhere else.
Speaker 8 (26:10):
He's someone that I would say has been a real
pleasant surprise with his ability, and I like the player
a lot, and so I think the tape. Obviously some teams,
there were a number of teams that are looking for two,
whether it was an injury or not. But you know,
to hang on to a player on your practice squad
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where others like, that's significant.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
What's your reaction to that, Nick?
Speaker 1 (26:36):
My reaction is that Sam Ellinger thought that, you know what,
I could go somewhere else and be the number two
and stack a couple of some some cash right now.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
But he's like, well, I enjoy being with this team.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
I fell in love with the system, and I'm starting
to get grasps a whole of it. I have an
opportunity then, also, too is the biggest thing from player
to player. He's thinking, Okay, well I could beat on
Jerry Stidham. That's what he's thinking. I can go to
another team and just be the number two guy forever.
Speaker 6 (27:06):
Now obviously he's not.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
He's not gonna kind of beat out you know, bow Knicks, right,
But his hope is if somebody ever happened to bow
Nicks and he got injured, then they can plug and
play him and then that could be the jump start
to his career. So that's the that's the way that
I looked at it. He thought like, look, I could
beat out Jared Stidham.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
So I'm gonna stay here and I'm just gonna beat
him out.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
I go to another team and just be an aft
the when I can be here with the Denver Broncos
and just possibly be a long term solution just in
case Bo gets injured.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
I believe in having confidence yourself.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
You you genuinely believe he could beat out Jared Stidham,
Like you really believe that?
Speaker 5 (27:45):
Well, I think he believes that, you know. I think
it's just this is like a non story.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Man. You have a you have a third string quarterback
who could go jump to another team where he doesn't
know the offense right there at the beginning of the season,
or stick with the team whose offense he's been learning
this whole off season by himself some time to ingratiate
himself with his staff, and who knows what the you know,
the sky's the limit as far as that go is
going forward. So and he knows he's going to be
back on the active rush at some point because it's
built into his contract this year. So it's really kind
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of a non story. I mean, it's a guy who's like,
all right, my options are jumped to an offense I
don't know, and probably wind up get myself cut mid
season or stay here.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
Where I know I've got some security.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Okay, I just agree that it's a non story. But
that's I guess we split hairs on that.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
I think the way that I view this is you've
seen situations for guys when they get a chance to
play as a backup, they can get big time contracts.
If for some reason the starter goes down the very
next year, they can sign on. We saw case Keenum
do it here in Denver for crying out loud after
playing up in Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Sam Darnold has that opportunities.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
I mean, I could go down the list of all
the backup quarterbacks that got a chance to crack the
starter after the guy went down. So if you're one
play away from being a starter, and then you could
get a chance to show somebody, hey, actually I can
play in the league, you could get a double digit
figured contract as soon as next year.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
That's a big deal.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
I mean, but again, you're jumping into an offense you
don't know, you know, I mean like you're jumping into
that's an assumption, don't know, like you've been doing this.
The odds are better that that's going to happen here
that it is somewhere else, because you're immersed in the offense.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
You know the guys, you know everything that's going on.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
They can think about Zach Wilson, right, exactly right, and
he went to play for the Dolphins one year, ten
million dollars.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Right.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
So once again, if I'm saying this is what I'm thinking, right,
I'll stay with the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
And because of my time here, let's just say the
Broncos do well offensively. You're the third team quarterback, and
we know how this is the team that is the
bell of the ball at the end of the year.
Everyone wants a piece of that team. We see it
happen with coaches and players alike. So if the Broncos
play well this year, getting themselves into playoffs, win a
game in the first round, or to get deep where
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they win two games in the playoffs, that's gonna make
things great for saying, because people gon on a piece
of that office, and guess what he's part of it.
And let's just say after the season the Broncos do
do well, Davis Well could get another job somewhere else
as a OHC.
Speaker 6 (30:09):
Guess what's going to bring along?
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Sam?
Speaker 4 (30:11):
So say, you're ingratiating yourself to a staff, and you
know how this league is with relationships. You know, like
you're ingratiating yourself to a staff, you're going to be
that guy for people on their staff.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Listen, I dig it, and I appreciate that he views
this as a quicker path back into an opportunity to start,
because if you're playing this game, as you mentioned their nick,
I mean, you want an opportunity to play, You want
an opportunity to start.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
You want to be a backup for your entire career.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
I mean some guys maybe too, but I'd say that
if you get into this, you get into it to play.
But it feels like just in general, and I'm talking
like flat out saying, if you're one play away as
the backup versus the third string, that seems like a
stark difference.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
And I'm not even talking about the money. I'm talking
about the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
The opportunity as a backup versus an opportunity as a
third string just seems like a very plain way to
describe this.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
So Sam is playing the long game. It's the wrong game,
and most guys don't play the long game. To me,
I haven't even spoken to him, but I'm thinking maybe
he's someone in his camp. They're saying, look, there's not
a huge drop off between you and jarvistdam right, So
if something were to happened, boom you right in there.
Speaker 6 (31:19):
You ain't like Flynn.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
Yep, this is absolutely the intelligent move was to take
the practice squad here with guaranteed money versus going and
be in a backup somewhere.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
You gotta get cut next week, and then all of
a sudden this job had available.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
You saw what happened with Ben de Newton.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
I'm saying, right, yeah, no, no, no, no, no, that
he was brought in very late.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
Those are two different days off. He didn't though, that's right.
Got tried to get a try, I got got got
there for one week for a body for a game,
and that was in.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Then he's he's behind Michael, He's behind Michael Pennocks Junior
and Kirk Cousins for crying out loud. We're talking about
Sam Ellinger. Possibly people want to play away from from starting.
You guys are conflating two different situations. We're trying to
make an argument.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (32:00):
We're talking about opportunity. It's about opportunity.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Yes, I am talking about opportunity.
Speaker 6 (32:05):
That's why he stayed.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
Yeah, that's why he stayed.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
It's a smart thing to do, was to beat on
the practice squad here versus jumping to an offense where
you don't know the guys, you don't know the offense
and you just don't know.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
I mean, there's nothing holding you to that team.
Speaker 6 (32:18):
You could be cut the next week.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
You're not.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
Your language here is you're gonna guaranteed money from the
Broncos and college.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
You know you're gonna be here, and you.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Get a chance to practice against one of the better
defenses and in the NFL, sharping your skills as well.
Speaker 6 (32:32):
But overall, I'm thinking he's think he's thinking that, you
know what, I can beat out Stidham. That's my job
and look what the Broncos are paying him.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Fascinating. Just keep it.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
I guess I'd never considered it, at least the part
of it of I can beat out Stidham based on
their contracts and what they're time is up at.
Speaker 6 (32:49):
The end of the year.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
Sam Ailiger might be the next back or quarterback here.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
And then and then one play away didn't Sam or
didn't a two year deal.
Speaker 6 (32:56):
I thought his money was up to.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
The end of this year. I have to go back
and look, but I didn't think he was scart.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
Where do you sounded to your deal?
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Sam is thinking even the next year in training camp,
he'll overtake them.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Okay, I mean that's again playing the long game.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Most of the time in the NFL, A lot of
these guys they chase the shorter term opportunity because that
might represent a better opportunity versus.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
There's four and a half million cap savings if they
cut jared'stid him after the season, who, by the way,
is five years older this tail.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
So here's what it boils down to, right, Either you
want to settle or you a competitor. The same can
be said when you are pursuing a significant other. Do
you want to settle or do you want to compete?
Speaker 3 (33:35):
This feels more like settling to me. No, yeah, No, No,
you from where I'm saying, Listen, I'm not hating him
for it. I'm not. I'm not even upset about it.
I'm thrilled he chose the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
I say, this feels like we're talking like years long
game versus he could have potentially been a starter at
some point this year.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
He's not going to get that.
Speaker 6 (33:55):
Yeah, but the idea is you got to play the
long game.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Ryan, Okay, listen, I hear you. I hear you different vantage,
but I hear both of you and your perspective. One,
I just don't agree.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
You just outnumber right now, the one he was funny
watching people freak out. Oh he chose the practice squad
over a second.
Speaker 6 (34:13):
I'm just saying he's gonna be third string anyway. He's
gonna get that money.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
He just decided continuity and having a year inside of
system was better than jumping somewhere where he had no
security for the rest of the year.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
How do you think Stidham didn't jump to anywhere? Why
do you think he didn't jump because he felt as
that you.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Know what he got an he got a two year
deals that's right.
Speaker 6 (34:31):
Why did he get that to your deal?
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Because he's been a great backup here.
Speaker 6 (34:34):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
So for him, he felt as though, well, I'm comfortable
in my space where I am. That's why he performed well.
And then we had people out there saying, well, you
know what, Stillham plays so well. We got a quarterback controversy.
I'm sorry, what, No, we don't.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
I didn't say that, but you didn't say that.
Speaker 6 (34:53):
But people or they people them, them, don't mean what
do you mean?
Speaker 3 (34:58):
What do you mean those people? What do you meet
new people?
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Exactly? You guys know, you know what it is. I
didn't have to set it up. You guys finish the
r I'm.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Just saying, at the end of the day, if you're
a quarter and this applies to the quarterback position, if
you can get continuity and become somebody's guy, you've got
it made for life. And it sometimes applies to other positions.
There's a reason Michael Bandy keeps getting jobs here because
Joe Lombardi was there in in La Uh. There's a
reason River crank Craft will always have a career. As
long as he's able to walk, and there's a Shanahan
team that needs a receiver, he's going to have a job.
Speaker 6 (35:27):
They just think about.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Officsive linemen who have been in the Mike Shanahan's zone
stretch system.
Speaker 6 (35:34):
They always have a job. There's so many guys who
are from his tree.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
So if you are an athletic officeive lineman, you always
have a job.
Speaker 6 (35:43):
It's about job security at the end.
Speaker 5 (35:45):
Of the day, Man, Ryan, see these afternoon show guys,
he's regular.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
They don't understand nervous, you know, when you're outside of
prime time. They don't understand you get about your long
term prospects.
Speaker 5 (35:56):
Yes, yes, you know, and so like if you understand
that's what. Yes, he's student system. He's already somebody's guy.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Yes, Yeah, to entrench, to have to do three hours
a day, instet of one. Ben. All right, we're off
and rolling into the five o'clock hour.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
We have a Rockies baseball come here at the top
of the hour, I'm broadcasting from Course Field. It's Kaway
night here as the Rockies are taking on the Cuz
we'll come back. I do have another question to ask
you guys about the Broncos. We'll hear from Sean talking
about play calling for bone Nicks early in the season.
I think that's a really interesting answer, we'll get into that,
plus we'll talk. We'll see you as well. Coming up
next on Kawa
Game.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
I'm going to be throwing out the first pitch here
and a little over two hours look forward to that.
Of course, from clouds to kind of rolling in, we'll
see how that works out. Its supposed to be pretty
inclement weather up in the ceu 've in Boulder tonight
as well for the Buffs and the Georgia Tech game,
so that could impact things as well. Five six six
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nine zers are Ka with Commas Bearhealth text line. We've
been talking a lot about the Micah Parsons deal because
it's been sitting reverberations through the NFL all sorts of
layers to this discussion. We'll hear from Sean Payton coming
up here in just a little bit. He had some
very intriguing things to say about the first game of
the season coming up next Sunday. But fellas the Nick
Benita part of this, I think we're all on the
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same page. The Nick Benito is not going to be
marching into George Payton's office immediately after this Micah Parsons
deal in demanding north of forty seven million.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
It was fascinating last night.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
It seemed like fans run the impression that any kind
of conversation about Nick Benito and Michael Parsons was like, well,
they're not the same player, and there's no way that
he should be asking for that, and we should trade
him immediately if some reason he does demand these things.
I don't think Nick Benito and his camp are looking
for that. But then you said it right away, and
I completely agree with you that this does move the
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number a bit north for Nick Benito after the Parsons deal.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
What do you think that range looks like?
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Well, I mean, you're negotiating against the franchise tag, right
because he's the second round player. There's no fifth year
option for Nick Benito, so you're negotiating against the franchise tag,
which means, which is a gonna be one.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
Year average the top five It is gonna be thirty
seven ish.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Your aav on a long term deal's gonna be lower
than that, right, So he's not coming in and gonna
hit the forty million dollars. Me putting that tweet out
yesterday and people like, he's not gonna get Parsons money.
I never said he was. I'm just saying that raises
the floor because it raises what the franchise tag number
is at the end.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Of the day.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
I expect Nick Benito to come in somewhere between twenty
eight and thirty two million. That would put him in
the range Brian Burns to Nick Bosa range, and I
expect a deal to come in at that average value.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Nick, you get that deal done, Like if that, if
that's the offer ultimately on the table, what are you
saying if you're the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Well, I agree with ben because the deal is not
going to be where Trey Henderson deal is because I
know he got a one year, thirty million dollars year,
so he gets a chance to dip back in that
financial pool next season. But with Michael Parsons deal, No,
I don't foresee Nick Benito's deal being exactly like Parsons
because Parson's been in the league longer. Parsons has shown
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in four five consecutive seasons that he's a double digit
sack type of guy. And when you look at the
age difference between these two players, I think Mike is
maybe twenty eight or something like that, and no, MIC's
twenty six and you look at Nick Benito, Nick Benito
maybe twenty five or something like that, So they're not
too far apart. But Nick Benito is an explosive player.
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He is a player who's a developed into a game changer.
One sack his first year, eight sacks, the second year,
third year, thirteen and a half off the chart, So
you know he's starting to develop and get better as
of your years go on. And with Vance Joseph being
his defensive coordinator, the opportunities are gonna be there for
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him to actually have another double digit sack year. And
I don't know who these individuals you're speaking of who
are saying, you know, trade him right now and do
all that. Once again, as a former player, I would say,
every former player, you're only part of that fan base.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
Why you're there.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
They're gonna love you. Why you're part of that fan base.
Now the business aspect of football takes place when you leave.
They're gonna be individuals who are going to love you
based on what you did for them, but they are
gonna be other section of fans who are not gonna
like you. So I tell them fans kick rocks. So
this is what Nick Benito should be thinking about right now.
Fans are the deal hasn't even been done, has been
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even signed, He hasn't made saying anything about it Ryan
where it's an important thing for him. He's like, you
know what, in due time that happened. I'm focused on
getting back on the field the bone spur and getting
out there and playing. It's everyone else who they're talking
it up. We're talking it up right now. So once again,
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this is the part of fandom and the whole idea
of being a fanatic that I absolutely hate. Because when
vond left there was once again it was a section
of people who were sad. But then there was a
section of people, Oh, well, he's over the heel and whatever,
and guess what, went to the Rams and won a
Super Bowl?
Speaker 6 (04:35):
How about that?
Speaker 3 (04:36):
How about that?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Let me ask you something, Ben, if there is a
lesson to learn here that the Broncos can utilize. So
we talked about it in the last segment, just saying
that the Dallas Cowboys should have acted earlier.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Now again, hindsighted being what it is.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
You don't know in the moment you thought it was
going to get done, it didn't get done, so you
ended up getting less as a result. So for the Broncos,
who Nick Beneil enters his final year, you probably don't
want him to get all the way to free agency
or even flirt with free agency. I guess you have
in your back pocket a franchise tag. But do you
consider do you consider something at the trade deadline if
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for some reason you are still very far apart between
what he.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Thinks he should get and what you think he should get, Well,
I think you.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Weigh all that when that when that gets there, I
think right now, you know the Broncos shot out their
their first offer a while back. It was a low
ball offer, because that's what you do in negotiations, right,
and you know they came back. The Benito in their
camp now is going to come back with a counteroffer
to that, which is going to be high the number,
and you work away in the middle, and it just
sort of depends how far off the mark those two
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numbers are.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
Where the the you know, the medium number there is
how far apart that is.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
And as you get closer to the trade deadline, you
start to see, okay, this is how much they budge,
how much we budged.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
It's a room here.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Then then you start to factor that in, all right, well,
what can we get back in compensation? Is it worth
it for us to instead apply the franchise next year.
There are all kinds of weapons at the at the
Broncos disposal. Here, the player really does not have a
lot of leverage other than threatening not to play on
the tag, which would be bad because you're just you know,
shorting yourself guaranteed money there.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
So I don't you know, you.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Look at you look at this this situation, and I
don't think there's a hurry to do it, but I
think at the trade deadline you do have to weigh
what the offers are. You remember, this is a general
manager who got a first round for Bradley Chubb. We
have the trade deadline before, so you know it's not like, uh,
Wheland deal and Payton can't get it.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Done well in the second and third for von Right.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
I mean even at that time, I remember we all said, like,
there is gonna be a team that's gonna give you
what it's worth to not have him on your team.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Right.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
In a lot of ways, this is like the Devon
Vley conversation we had just a couple of weeks ago,
where it's like it's got to be something that you
feel as though you losing that caliber a player on
your team which you have aspirations of winning right now
makes it worth it, like as a future payoff.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
It makes it work, it worth.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
It, And that's obviously a different deal than what's happening
with Michael Parsons. This is just an untenable situation that
they kind of had to use the escape patch on.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
But there's lessons here, and again, I feel.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Like the Broncos are in a really good spot overall anyways,
because the communication has been significantly better than anything that
we've been hearing out of Dallas.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Nick.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
I mean that for me is where I start with
why I have optimism, Like I don't want to go
down the road, as you pointed out of fandom, where
we start panicking before there's anything to panic about. And
the reason why I don't think we have to do
that is because this organization has been doing such a
great job and it's why all these guys have shown
up for everything throughout OTA's and training camp in the preseason.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Yeah, it's important to draft and develop your guys, and
you don't always see that in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
You know, teams draft.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Guys and then only to pawn them off and let
someone else have enjoy the fruits of their labor. Because
of that, player's development, and for me, it would be
sad to see Nick Benito go and Ben and I
talked about it before. When you look at what the
Broncos have done as far as ad depth, it is
both a gift and a curse. You have Ke Robinson
(08:13):
who looks like he's going to turn into a monster
of an edge rusher, and then you have Jonah Ellis,
So you have guys. So the fan base starts to think, well,
we don't need Nick Benito anymore. We're already good, so
let's kick him to the curve and let's allow those
young guys to come in. Does it save the organization
(08:34):
money Absolutely if they were to move on from Nick Benito,
But that doesn't necessarily guarantee you're going to get.
Speaker 6 (08:40):
The same level of production.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
So I say, man, best bet is you try to
work out a deal more sooner than later, because when
you look at the actual deal with like a parson
like Ben mentioned, I mean, that's kind of what Jerry
Jones played for the Cowboys to begin with when he
first purchased them. And the price is not going to
go down. I don't milk butter eggs. The prices are
(09:08):
up right, It's trending up, so is the price for
edge rushes because guess what, look at the level of
quarterback play in the division, in the conference. You need
confidence to know that I got a veteran impact guy,
not a guy Ryan that could go in and give
me a couple of plays here and there. No, no, no, no, no,
I got a guy that I can I can move
(09:28):
all over the place Vance Joseph like a Michael Parson
to meet and man, either you.
Speaker 6 (09:34):
Have one or you don't, and you can't let that
do out of the building.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
That perfectly said.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
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Speaker 3 (10:05):
Slash teachers.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Some fascinating to things to say, not only about the
inside linebackers, for the Broncos, but also about Sam Ellinger
and what he turned down to stay here with the
Denver Broncos.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
I am live here from Corsefield. It is KWA night
here for the Rockies and Cubs.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Somebody of the text line five six six nine zeros
to say here nervousness in your voice, Ryan, don't mess up.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Well, I didn't think about messing up until you texted me.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
Now we can hear the quiver. We can hear the
quiver in your voice.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Man, is it coming through?
Speaker 5 (10:38):
Is it inches closer?
Speaker 4 (10:39):
We can hear your that that uh, that vibrano is
starting to get a little a little shakier.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Do I sound like Barry Gibb or something. Yeah, that's
that's strong.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
Furiously over there trying to clip that one right now.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Yeah, well we'll hear that later. As we offer to
say on this show, gret doesn't miss No, I don't.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Actually I feel I feel all right. I got out
and you know, through to the baseball a little earlier today.
Thank you. Shout out to to missus Edwards for catching
a few few stray balls. But I think they were okay,
We're good. I think I'm feeling pretty good today. Hey, Nick,
you got any advice for me?
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Take a deep breath, don't mess up, stretch, and just
try to get the ball over the plate. Now, what
I don't want you to do, right, which which there's
always a tendency for us to do as individuals, don't
try to do too much. Yeah, you know, don't don't
they don't have someone make a jiff of you and
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just put on there.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
Doing too much. Just just throw the ball straight.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Yeah right, I know Dave was joking earlier when I
was with you guys, okay on sports about you throwing
eighty miles an hour.
Speaker 6 (11:55):
Look, man, just just get it over the plate, all right,
that's what you That's all you need to do.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Don't need don't don't try to be you know, one
of these uh uh pictures of old like uh Smoltz
of Glabyn.
Speaker 6 (12:12):
Just be Ryan Edwards. Okay, that's what I want you
to do. That's my my best talk for you, and
very helpful.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
Then I say throw all that out and John Rocker
it up running out there.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Hey listen, Ryan, to better help you out on this
task you have tonight. Now, who's who's catching for you? Well?
Speaker 2 (12:30):
It was Dinger last time I don't know if that's
gonna be the case, but I I'm gonna guess is
probably Dinger.
Speaker 6 (12:34):
Okay, Well, Dinger is gonna have a glove in his hand.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Correct.
Speaker 6 (12:38):
Okay, So here's what.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
I want you to do, just to make sure that
you hit cinner mask. Picture Ben's face in the middle
of that glove. Okay, And I'm sure if you do that,
bull money in the bank.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Picture Ben's face. Ben is very nice face. Why why
would I want to damage it with a baseball?
Speaker 6 (12:57):
Well, it's not.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
I don't think anybody's in any danger if you image
you getnything.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
With the baseball.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I'm trying to help you out, man, I'm just trying
to help me, give you some motivation.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
You're saying, like the breeze out here back on your face.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
If you ever get to do this a third time,
I'm lining up as a batter down there with you,
and we're having a Nolan Ryan Robin Ventura moment.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
You know, you charge the battle. I'm Dolan, though, you beat.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
Me and and we're gonna Robin Venture is gonna get revenge.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
No, it did work out so well for Vitura. Let's
be honest.
Speaker 7 (13:30):
This is this is the money's in the rematch, you
know what, it will be great. Then brings up a
very interesting point. So the next time you do this,
put him at the plate. It won't be hilarious if
you just went yard when you threw the ball across
the floor.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
If he beats me, Yeah, I don't. I don't know
if you really want uh Ryan wild Thing Edwards throwing it.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
I'm saying we should do that.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
We should orchestrate a whole bit that I charge him
out and like you know, we do like a fake fight.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
No, I know, I don't need I don't.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Need added pressure, the fact that I have to ork
straight some kind of fight with you afterwards. We Can's
enough for me just to get it, get it over
the plate and not embarrass myself.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Then I would think of you, of all people, you
would be supportive of that.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
So you're saying you don't want me to throw you
a curveball.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
I do not want that. I'm good. I'm good, and.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
You know what you get here and hopefully you know
you'll see the video on Twitter because you're coming out
here for k WA night and listen, I'm all right
to the texture that that is worried about me being nervous.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
I'm all right, I'm good.
Speaker 6 (14:28):
Ryan. Is your family You're going to be in attendance.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
They are going to be here.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Added pressure though, Okay, what will your kids friends be
watching this game?
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Probably?
Speaker 6 (14:39):
Have you got to come through, man, You got to
come through helping. If you don't do it for you,
that's not You.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Got to do it for your girls, man, because you
don't want your girls to go to school and be like,
is your dad Ryan Edwards now?
Speaker 6 (14:53):
And they showed you to fallow?
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Is this him this last night?
Speaker 8 (14:57):
Man?
Speaker 6 (14:57):
You don't want that?
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Dude?
Speaker 6 (14:58):
Yes, if they auto tune him, he.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
Didn't say anything.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
I like the text line Davis watching now, Davis coaching tonight, Dave.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Dave doesn't.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
He would he would be watching, but he is not
watching because he's coaching.
Speaker 6 (15:11):
Dave said he's going to have a representative watching.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Oh, he did say that. He did say that.
Speaker 6 (15:16):
Now.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
By the way, the text line is blowing up right
now with the pictures.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Ben's face throws a ninety nine mile an hour an
eater light down the middle.
Speaker 6 (15:26):
A minute.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
If we did like the remember what Fangio did the
dunk tank, If we did the dunk take, I would have.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
A line a mile long. Oh my god, you can
outside in the round.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
Of course, line is wrapped around McGregor square.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
People like, wait a minute, are they giving up bubble
head dogs? No, no, no, we get a chance to sink.
Benjamin Albright, Yep, yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
How many of your two hundred thousand followers would show up?
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Hundred thousand of them?
Speaker 4 (15:50):
He got people flying in from the last right, Rosie's
paying to fly people in.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Awesome, It would be awesome.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
You know, I will come back Ryan, real quickly. It
would be great if they did that on the upper deck.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
M that would be fun. That's a good marketing idea
for charity, for charity kids.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
I'm here for the kids. You are here for just
the way Bill Murray was in Kington.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Jeez, all right, we'll be right back right here from
Sean Payton coming up next, easing up at fulsome taking
on Georgia Tech.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
We'll get back into that game here in just a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Ryan Edwards, Benjamin all Bright, Nick Ferguson with you until
six o'clock when we hand things off to Jack and
Jerry for the Rockies broadcast. The cloud's kind of rolling
in here. I've seen some interesting weather reports. I'm hoping
that we end up staying dry here, but there's a
possibility of some inclement weather. We'll keep posting on all that.
Certainly the same thing up there in fulsome I've heard
(16:53):
that the rains kind of coming in. We had Connor
Streeve came down here to shoot some video of me
talking about the first pitch and that'll be up on
our social media here in just a little bit. So
the rain was kind of coming in up there for
a moment. How in Europe, and I'll start with you, Nick,
how in your opinion would that maybe impact tonight's See
You game if it ends up being kind of one
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of those rain games.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
Well, then.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
The scales tilt towards Georgia Tech because at that point
it makes the ball slicker to grip.
Speaker 6 (17:27):
And with that being said, you have.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Jamal Haines and Haines king that Brent Chie can actually
lean on. You do a lot of RPOs design quarterback runs.
And here's the interesting thing about it. These two teams
back in the day, going back to eighty nine and ninety,
both of these teams ran the option and they ran
it well right and right now, See You as not
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an option team. Georgia Tech can still do it if
they wanted to with Haines King. And that's not to
say that Cayden sol To can I do it, but
that's not a staple of Pat Sherman's offense. So if
the weather is bad, it's some drizzle, then you have
to think that it favors Georgia Tech a load.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
And I know, see you change their surface.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Their playing surf is no longer grass, it's somewhat of
a turf. But it's just bass security could be an issue.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Okay, all right, so that's something obviously we'll be paying
attention to tonight. But yeah, Buff's season underway tomorrow. By
the way, speaking of college football being back, this is
such a great weekend. I love that college football gets
this weekend. I know inevitably NFL will find a way
to bleed into even this weekend, but this weekend is
a fun one and tomorrow the Marquee game Ohio State
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and Texas one versus three ben that right there is
gonna be a lot of fun, although interesting for that
game specifically, like all eyes on arch Manning. But it
was interesting watching some of the covers today for ESPN
because they're kind of trying to talk down the ability
of arch Manning, like as if the old off season
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been spent talking about this guy has already won the Heisman.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Do you agree with that sentiment?
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Well, yeah, I think the Manning family understands public relations
and that how high the bar has gotten.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
So you talk it back down to to make sure
that he clears it right.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Because right now, as it stands, if he doesn't go
out in New Ohio State for four touchdowns in the
air and four on the ground, and you know a
combined eight hundred yards, is Arch Manning even Really even
a Manning might have to be arch Bridgewater at that point.
So you know, I think that's I think they play
in the pr game as far as that goes. A
lot of those guys over there at ESPN, No, No,
Archie pretty well and you know he knows how to
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get a hold people, and like, let's let's talk this
down for a little bit. This Ohio State. It's a
very fast, very good defense. The line has been shifting.
Texas startup plus three. I think they're plus one now
on that one. So something to keep your eye on,
no doubt. Unlet's hear from Sean Payton.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
I want to start with the inside linebackers because this
has been a story all off season and especially when
le Broncos signed Drake Greenlaw in free agency. Then shortly
after that he had the quad injury. Ben that you
reported on Alex Singleton coming off of an ACL tear,
he injures his thumb and camp green Law also gets
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hurt in camp, so that it has been a big storyline.
We heard from Sean Payton yesterday when he was asked
about Drake green Law and Singleton, and interestingly enough, the
way he was asked this question is is more about
the depth and the fact that they're keeping three inside
linebackers on the practice squad along with the two inside
linebackers that back up these two guys.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Here's what he said, Alex.
Speaker 8 (20:36):
Is coming back off of an injury, Dre's coming back.
You know, we got to be smart and look at
pitch counts and be ready to play some younger players
and not just say, hey, Week one, we're throwing them
out there for seventy plays.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Now, I have two thoughts on that, Ben, I'll start
with you. Two thoughts on that. So, so, first of all,
big picture, that's probably the right thing to do.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
The backups to Drake Greenlaw and Alex Singleton, and it's
not to say they're both going to be out at
the same time, but the backups are as we've as
we've seen are really not starting caliber inside linebackers. So
how big of an impact even in early parts of
the season do you think this could be?
Speaker 4 (21:16):
Coy austern Not has just been out there as a
starter before the hold on, hold on, I'm I'm not
willing to dismiss him as far the thing is derailed.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
His career has been injury, not so far play. As
far as the rest of it goes.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
With Karan Reid and Lavelle Bailey, you know, I think
they've they've adjudicated themselves well as they could for young guys.
Definitely a drop off from you know, guys that are
Pro Bowl caliber players like Singleton and especially green Law.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
But the service will start. We you know, it's kind
of interesting.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
We saw Singleton go out last year, Cody Barton stepped in,
and we weren't complaining about Singleton being gone all year.
So as much as I am worried about that depth,
on the one hand, I am not worried about Vans
Joseph's ability to get those inside backers ready to play.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
On the other okay, how about you, Nick see unlike
you and because you seem like you were about to
jump in and destroy Justin Schanad, Yes, exactly. He had
three sacks last season and he had seventy three tackles,
and I know he's not viewed as being linebacker number one,
but he filled in pretty good. And here's I think
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the thinking is that when you think about the edge rush,
you think about DJ Jones, Zach Allen, right, John Franklin Myers,
those guys can kind of make up for maybe some
deficiencies on the second level because when I played, you know,
when I think about big Tim Bowens, who played down
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and with the Miami Dolphins, when Patser Tan's father was
playing for the Dolphins, I mean, Zach Thomas was the
middle linebacker. He wasn't fast, he wasn't big, but they
cover him up with the deep, with the interior defensive pressure,
which allowed him to run sideline the salade. So now
the Broncos have somewhat of that up front, and that's
how you protect those linebackers. And oh, by the way,
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why do you think Johnny Barron was drafted, you still
got take Kwa McMillan, and if you ever find yourself
in a situation, you can put one of those guys
in the back. Well, put one of them those guys
at safety and bring down we'll fin'ly gonna let him
play in the box. So there's a multitude of things
that Broncos can do. So I'm not heavily worried and
concern but I'm just this is definitely a group I'm
(23:24):
gonna keep a look out on this season.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Okay, all right, listen. I like the optimism.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Again, I didn't know where you guys would go with it,
but I like your optimism within and I guess I
can I can sort of ride with this. I think
my first instinct on it had more to do with
us measuring this against possibly the best defense in the
league this year and what it would be like to
take starting caliber inside linebackers off the field. But like
I said, big picture, I think this is probably the
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smart thing to do. And as he pointed out, you
don't want to drop those guys in there for seventy
plays in Week one. Nothing necessarily will play seventy plays
versus the Tennessee Titans. But if that was the case,
I could see where that would be a bit problem
back and this is part of ben why the Broncos
have had the success I think over the last couple
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of years with Sean Payton and what they've been doing
with their strength and conditioning.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Yeah, I mean, they certainly have a plan that they
believe works, and anecdotally over the last couple of years,
the certain there's been a downturn and injury for the Broncos.
Whether that's luck or whether that's a byproduct of this
plan that they put in place, we don't really know.
It's kind of a small sample size, but they certainly
have a plan they believe in and there's no there's
(24:38):
certainly not the evidence to change it yet at this point,
because the anecdotal claims of the last couple of years
show that it's worked so far.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Okay, well then we move on.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
I'll I go see this one to you guys into
the Broncos for a feeling as though that they're going
to be in pretty good shape.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
With that, I want to get to the sam Ellinger thing.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
This is what Sean had to say, because we found
when sam Ellinger agreed to come back to the Broncos
as the third string quarterback. But on the practice squad, Ben,
you did a great job, I thought, breaking down the
difference in money that he was making as a practice
squad player versus active roster. Now we again talked about
it that night, saying, well, he's going to get a
lot of call He's going to get the call ups, right,
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he's also going to probably eventually be on.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
The fifty three man. So there's a little bit of
a week in a nod that this is what it's
going to be.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
But really interesting from Sean because he made it sound
like Sam Ellinger turned down backups like it being the
number two on a couple of teams.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Here's what he said.
Speaker 8 (25:36):
Man fired up to have Sam back. And you guys
know the stories. This is the first time, this is
the first time I can ever recall. And we spent
a lot of time talking with him where a player
like Sam had an opportunity with two clubs to go
be the two and chose to stay and that's a
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credit to the program. And I said to him, I said, look,
it's the same thing I said to Teddy Bridgewater or
any of these guys.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
My job is to make you a lot.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Of money here or somewhere else.
Speaker 8 (26:10):
He's someone that I would say has been a real
pleasant surprise with his ability, and I like the player
a lot, and so I think the tape. Obviously some teams,
there were a number of teams that are looking for two,
whether it was an injury or not. But you know,
to hang on to a player on your practice squad
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where others like, that's significant.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
What's your reaction to that, Nick?
Speaker 1 (26:36):
My reaction is that Sam Ellinger thought that, you know what,
I could go somewhere else and be the number two
and stack a couple of some some cash right now.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
But he's like, well, I enjoy being with this team.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
I fell in love with the system, and I'm starting
to get grasps a whole of it. I have an
opportunity then, also, too is the biggest thing from player
to player. He's thinking, Okay, well I could beat on
Jerry Stidham. That's what he's thinking. I can go to
another team and just be the number two guy forever.
Speaker 6 (27:06):
Now obviously he's not.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
He's not gonna kind of beat out you know, bow Knicks, right,
But his hope is if somebody ever happened to bow
Nicks and he got injured, then they can plug and
play him and then that could be the jump start
to his career. So that's the that's the way that
I looked at it. He thought like, look, I could
beat out Jared Stidham.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
So I'm gonna stay here and I'm just gonna beat
him out.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
I go to another team and just be an aft
the when I can be here with the Denver Broncos
and just possibly be a long term solution just in
case Bo gets injured.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
I believe in having confidence yourself.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
You you genuinely believe he could beat out Jared Stidham,
Like you really believe that?
Speaker 5 (27:45):
Well, I think he believes that, you know. I think
it's just this is like a non story.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Man. You have a you have a third string quarterback
who could go jump to another team where he doesn't
know the offense right there at the beginning of the season,
or stick with the team whose offense he's been learning
this whole off season by himself some time to ingratiate
himself with his staff, and who knows what the you know,
the sky's the limit as far as that go is
going forward. So and he knows he's going to be
back on the active rush at some point because it's
built into his contract this year. So it's really kind
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of a non story. I mean, it's a guy who's like,
all right, my options are jumped to an offense I
don't know, and probably wind up get myself cut mid
season or stay here.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
Where I know I've got some security.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Okay, I just agree that it's a non story. But
that's I guess we split hairs on that.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
I think the way that I view this is you've
seen situations for guys when they get a chance to
play as a backup, they can get big time contracts.
If for some reason the starter goes down the very
next year, they can sign on. We saw case Keenum
do it here in Denver for crying out loud after
playing up in Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Sam Darnold has that opportunities.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
I mean, I could go down the list of all
the backup quarterbacks that got a chance to crack the
starter after the guy went down. So if you're one
play away from being a starter, and then you could
get a chance to show somebody, hey, actually I can
play in the league, you could get a double digit
figured contract as soon as next year.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
That's a big deal.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
I mean, but again, you're jumping into an offense you
don't know, you know, I mean like you're jumping into
that's an assumption, don't know, like you've been doing this.
The odds are better that that's going to happen here
that it is somewhere else, because you're immersed in the offense.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
You know the guys, you know everything that's going on.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
They can think about Zach Wilson, right, exactly right, and
he went to play for the Dolphins one year, ten
million dollars.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Right.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
So once again, if I'm saying this is what I'm thinking, right,
I'll stay with the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
And because of my time here, let's just say the
Broncos do well offensively. You're the third team quarterback, and
we know how this is the team that is the
bell of the ball at the end of the year.
Everyone wants a piece of that team. We see it
happen with coaches and players alike. So if the Broncos
play well this year, getting themselves into playoffs, win a
game in the first round, or to get deep where
(29:56):
they win two games in the playoffs, that's gonna make
things great for saying, because people gon on a piece
of that office, and guess what he's part of it.
And let's just say after the season the Broncos do
do well, Davis Well could get another job somewhere else
as a OHC.
Speaker 6 (30:09):
Guess what's going to bring along?
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Sam?
Speaker 4 (30:11):
So say, you're ingratiating yourself to a staff, and you
know how this league is with relationships. You know, like
you're ingratiating yourself to a staff, you're going to be
that guy for people on their staff.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Listen, I dig it, and I appreciate that he views
this as a quicker path back into an opportunity to start,
because if you're playing this game, as you mentioned their nick,
I mean, you want an opportunity to play, You want
an opportunity to start.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
You want to be a backup for your entire career.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
I mean some guys maybe too, but I'd say that
if you get into this, you get into it to play.
But it feels like just in general, and I'm talking
like flat out saying, if you're one play away as
the backup versus the third string, that seems like a
stark difference.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
And I'm not even talking about the money. I'm talking
about the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
The opportunity as a backup versus an opportunity as a
third string just seems like a very plain way to
describe this.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
So Sam is playing the long game. It's the wrong game,
and most guys don't play the long game. To me,
I haven't even spoken to him, but I'm thinking maybe
he's someone in his camp. They're saying, look, there's not
a huge drop off between you and jarvistdam right, So
if something were to happened, boom you right in there.
Speaker 6 (31:19):
You ain't like Flynn.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
Yep, this is absolutely the intelligent move was to take
the practice squad here with guaranteed money versus going and
be in a backup somewhere.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
You gotta get cut next week, and then all of
a sudden this job had available.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
You saw what happened with Ben de Newton.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
I'm saying, right, yeah, no, no, no, no, no, that
he was brought in very late.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
Those are two different days off. He didn't though, that's right.
Got tried to get a try, I got got got
there for one week for a body for a game,
and that was in.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Then he's he's behind Michael, He's behind Michael Pennocks Junior
and Kirk Cousins for crying out loud. We're talking about
Sam Ellinger. Possibly people want to play away from from starting.
You guys are conflating two different situations. We're trying to
make an argument.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (32:00):
We're talking about opportunity. It's about opportunity.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Yes, I am talking about opportunity.
Speaker 6 (32:05):
That's why he stayed.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
Yeah, that's why he stayed.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
It's a smart thing to do, was to beat on
the practice squad here versus jumping to an offense where
you don't know the guys, you don't know the offense
and you just don't know.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
I mean, there's nothing holding you to that team.
Speaker 6 (32:18):
You could be cut the next week.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
You're not.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
Your language here is you're gonna guaranteed money from the
Broncos and college.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
You know you're gonna be here, and you.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Get a chance to practice against one of the better
defenses and in the NFL, sharping your skills as well.
Speaker 6 (32:32):
But overall, I'm thinking he's think he's thinking that, you
know what, I can beat out Stidham. That's my job
and look what the Broncos are paying him.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Fascinating. Just keep it.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
I guess I'd never considered it, at least the part
of it of I can beat out Stidham based on
their contracts and what they're time is up at.
Speaker 6 (32:49):
The end of the year.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
Sam Ailiger might be the next back or quarterback here.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
And then and then one play away didn't Sam or
didn't a two year deal.
Speaker 6 (32:56):
I thought his money was up to.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
The end of this year. I have to go back
and look, but I didn't think he was scart.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
Where do you sounded to your deal?
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Sam is thinking even the next year in training camp,
he'll overtake them.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Okay, I mean that's again playing the long game.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Most of the time in the NFL, A lot of
these guys they chase the shorter term opportunity because that
might represent a better opportunity versus.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
There's four and a half million cap savings if they
cut jared'stid him after the season, who, by the way,
is five years older this tail.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
So here's what it boils down to, right, Either you
want to settle or you a competitor. The same can
be said when you are pursuing a significant other. Do
you want to settle or do you want to compete?
Speaker 3 (33:35):
This feels more like settling to me. No, yeah, No, No,
you from where I'm saying, Listen, I'm not hating him
for it. I'm not. I'm not even upset about it.
I'm thrilled he chose the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
I say, this feels like we're talking like years long
game versus he could have potentially been a starter at
some point this year.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
He's not going to get that.
Speaker 6 (33:55):
Yeah, but the idea is you got to play the
long game.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Ryan, Okay, listen, I hear you. I hear you different vantage,
but I hear both of you and your perspective. One,
I just don't agree.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
You just outnumber right now, the one he was funny
watching people freak out. Oh he chose the practice squad
over a second.
Speaker 6 (34:13):
I'm just saying he's gonna be third string anyway. He's
gonna get that money.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
He just decided continuity and having a year inside of
system was better than jumping somewhere where he had no
security for the rest of the year.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
How do you think Stidham didn't jump to anywhere? Why
do you think he didn't jump because he felt as
that you.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Know what he got an he got a two year
deals that's right.
Speaker 6 (34:31):
Why did he get that to your deal?
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Because he's been a great backup here.
Speaker 6 (34:34):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
So for him, he felt as though, well, I'm comfortable
in my space where I am. That's why he performed well.
And then we had people out there saying, well, you
know what, Stillham plays so well. We got a quarterback controversy.
I'm sorry, what, No, we don't.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
I didn't say that, but you didn't say that.
Speaker 6 (34:53):
But people or they people them, them, don't mean what
do you mean?
Speaker 3 (34:58):
What do you mean those people? What do you meet
new people?
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Exactly? You guys know, you know what it is. I
didn't have to set it up. You guys finish the
r I'm.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Just saying, at the end of the day, if you're
a quarter and this applies to the quarterback position, if
you can get continuity and become somebody's guy, you've got
it made for life. And it sometimes applies to other positions.
There's a reason Michael Bandy keeps getting jobs here because
Joe Lombardi was there in in La Uh. There's a
reason River crank Craft will always have a career. As
long as he's able to walk, and there's a Shanahan
team that needs a receiver, he's going to have a job.
Speaker 6 (35:27):
They just think about.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Officsive linemen who have been in the Mike Shanahan's zone
stretch system.
Speaker 6 (35:34):
They always have a job. There's so many guys who
are from his tree.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
So if you are an athletic officeive lineman, you always
have a job.
Speaker 6 (35:43):
It's about job security at the end.
Speaker 5 (35:45):
Of the day, Man, Ryan, see these afternoon show guys,
he's regular.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
They don't understand nervous, you know, when you're outside of
prime time. They don't understand you get about your long
term prospects.
Speaker 5 (35:56):
Yes, yes, you know, and so like if you understand
that's what. Yes, he's student system. He's already somebody's guy.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Yes, Yeah, to entrench, to have to do three hours
a day, instet of one. Ben. All right, we're off
and rolling into the five o'clock hour.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
We have a Rockies baseball come here at the top
of the hour, I'm broadcasting from Course Field. It's Kaway
night here as the Rockies are taking on the Cuz
we'll come back. I do have another question to ask
you guys about the Broncos. We'll hear from Sean talking
about play calling for bone Nicks early in the season.
I think that's a really interesting answer, we'll get into that,
plus we'll talk. We'll see you as well. Coming up
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