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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Five six six nine zeros O Kaw commispurer health text line.
We'll get into some fun conversations with the Broncos. I
thought Sean Payton brought up adding more to bo Nix's plate.
Drew Brees also talking recently on a podcast about the
same exact thing.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
We'll get to that after five o'clock tonight.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
I want to get to the arch Manning stuff though,
because you had a nice little breakdown on that, and again,
if what a great weekend for college football. Certainly locally
we would wanted more for CU and CSU, but hey,
that's that's part of the game, right You're.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Gonna win some, you're gonna lose some.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
I thought I thought both CSU and CU had some
really nice moments in the game.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
They also both let opportunities slip away.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
And that's week one of the college football season, and
I'm not down about either of those programs. I still
think both those programs could have not only winning records,
but can be in position for a bowl game, maybe
not a college football playoff, but it's still early, especially
for CU.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Yeah, I totally agree with that because unlike the pros
that first game, but the season is a preseason game, and.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Anything that can go wrong will go wrong.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
You can have your spring game, but it's never enough
to prepare you for all the things that take place
in the game. Just think about Bill Belichick and we'll
get to that later on. But I think you're right
CEU and CSU. They did a great job all things.
You know, we're looking at all things equally. But there's
much more that these teams need to do. And I'm
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sure they're going to go back to the drawing board
and try to remedy some of the issues.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
But this is what you expect.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
I mean, we see a lot of things from NFL
teams in preseason games. Like the NFL season kicks off
this Thursday. Dallas and Philadelphia. They're gonna be some issues
on both sides of the ball for both teams. Dallas
trying to adjust to life without Michael Parson that Philadelphia Eagles.
Can they overcome the surge of energy that they're gonna
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have because now.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
They're handing out rings, hosting up.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Banners or whatever, and can you still go out with
that level of pressure and go out and play. But
for me, I love what I've seen from both CSU
and CU and they just need to continue to move forward,
learn from this, but kind of put it behind them
a little.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
And so I didn't necessarily love coach Prime being defensive
today about the the two minutes drill.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
You would be defensive too.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
No, No, I don't think I would.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
If you were coaching and that happened, and the defensive
with the media, yeah, I mean that's kind of why
the course. I mean, that always happens, does it not.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
I just don't get it.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Okay, So now someone is calling you on something that
everyone saw and everyone has their opinion as far as
how he should have dealt with that particular moment of
the game, right, sure, So being asked that and being
put on blast and you're thinking, okay, well I did
everything right.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
I did what I was supposed to him. You think like, uh,
well you didn't.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Well he didn't do everything right and it's mine. Yeah,
But those are the questions that come up after anyways, right.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I mean it's the same thing if.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
I asked him like, hey, you guys only scored seven
points off three turnovers to begin in the game. I
feel like you have done anything better there, right, and
you would you do it and be defensive because yeah,
we should have done better there, you lost the game,
ran hold on, you ran clad. Now you made a
gut decision in the moment. Now, if you want to
defend that, that's fine. But they'll be defensive about the
question because you know, as a coach you're going to
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get that question.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
So so and my experience being on the side of
coaching and playing is different from being on this side,
being part of the media because when you lose a game.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
When you when you win a game and you.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Asked me a question, my response isn't as spirited, right
because we won the game, But when you lose, it
only amplifies things, right, So it's like, oh man, why
are you coming at me sideways?
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Why did you just start with what we did right?
So you started what we did.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Wrong because it's all about what are you lose again?
Speaker 4 (03:56):
No nos, like come on PI.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
In my mind, okay, yes, this is how I think
that some coaches actually respond right in their heads, but
it doesn't really come up. But just think about it.
Any coach that you've seen in this town, right that,
when they've lost the game and they've been asked a
question that we all sat and watched and we're going like,
wait a minute, that doesn't make any sense. Just reflect
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on what the answer was to the person who asked
them the freaking question.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
I guess it is maybe the relationship with that specific
reporter like Chris Thomas and gets a lot of the
lot of he dos us the stuff from Jean exactly. So.
But if maybe say Mike asked that question my cliss,
then maybe he doesn't respond that way. I understand your point,
and we're human. It's a human reaction kind of thing.
I think there's to the point defending the decisions versus
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being defensive about the positions.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
And and that's where I.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Think Coach Prime has struggled at times up there at
see you if I'm being honest about his messaging. Uh,
even the stuff I think was this last offseason to
see off season before with players that had left the
program and they would after them on social media because
they didn't like the way they were coming after CU
or the or Coach Prime and his kids and all
those kinds of things and some of the culture that
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they're building up there.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
And I don't know, man, I think that the messaging
has been a little.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Bit skewed, a little weird for CU but they certainly
love when they're winning.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Uh, coach Prime his boys.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I mean they were talking about Shador and Shiloh, and
I mean they when they were winning. Oh Man, they
tell everybody how great they are. But if they're losing,
it is a US against the world kind of metalenty.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
But that happens with a lot of coaches. Think about
what doesn't.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Have to be.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Man, it's a lot of people that have bought into
what they're doing.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Great, but it doesn't have to be.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
But understanding coaching and their mindset and how those coaches
were groom. This is part of thinking about when when
Michael Malone was coaching the Denver Nuggets and he would
be asked certain questions about out his team's level of toughness.
We all know how he responded and asked answered that question.
And sometimes that happens in the loss, right, No one's
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there best in the loss. And now I have to
come up here and I have to sit here, and
I have to sit in the room where people that
I don't respect and have them chastise me about what
we did on the field, knowing as though they're wasn't
they're just spectators.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
You should just change your mindset, then why do you not.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
No no, no, no, no no no.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
See now, let's put to the world in the mindset
of a coach. That's not how some of the coaches
look at. Some coaches they respect the media. Some coaches don't.
So when you ask me a question that you're thinking, okay,
well is that rhetorical or not? You should know the
answer to the question. But you're gonna ask me again. Oh,
by the way, are you paying attention to this press
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conference because two other guys asked me the same question,
phrase different, But third God is now going to ask
me the question and you want me as question straight face.
I'm just trying to bring you into the world Ryan,
I'm not saying that is logical.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
I'm just trying to let you know how and the why.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
I appreciate you arguing on behalf of theological.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
I'm just trying. I'm just trying to put you in
that position.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Have you not been in this type of situations with
your kids or your wife where they ask you a
question where you are it's just like you said, already.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Know asking me a question situation. I respect you're saying question.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
You didn't as I said, have you ever been in
a situation where your wife or your kids asked you
a question when they somewhat knew the answer because they
were spectators of what just took place?
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Did I disrespect them? And what I see?
Speaker 4 (07:54):
I'm going to answer the question for you since you
won't answer.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Have I been answered asked a question like that by
my significant other?
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Yes? And am I thinking in my head? You know what?
You already know the answer to the question. So why
you asked me if you paid attention to what I
just said? Notice I said, I didn't verbalize it. I
thought in my mind right, So.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
What is happening right now?
Speaker 3 (08:19):
I'm just letting you know, getting you insight on how
certain things go time.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
I typically find a lot of humor and enjoyment out
of your analogies.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
This one, because you don't did not happen.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Because you don't want to admit that.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Sometimes when we are in situations where people who have
observed us at our worst and they're asking us about
that particular question, we.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Don't want to acknowledge that.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
I don't care what the text I understand, because they
too have been in that situation.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
So I said, how much is Nick?
Speaker 4 (08:51):
How much is.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Nick drop it? You were wrong? Nick's arguing for the
sake of arguing, no, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
You are well No, no, be logically, I'm trying to
take you and the listeners, whether you think it is
logical or not, into the mindset of coaches when they're
dealing with those types of questions, they know in their
hearts and hearts that you know what, maybe they could
have done something a lot better, right, I admit that
they're not.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
Going to give you the benefit of doubt. No, that's
not how it works, because you are at odds. We
are at odds. We are born enemies. We don't have
to be though I know we don't have to. But
that's how some individuals.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
A little bit of transparency could go a long way.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Trust me, yes, being honest.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
More people are respective of transparency and being honest, and
they go, you know what, I didn't agree what he did,
but at least he was honest about it.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
We found some common ground and you earned your ten percent.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Today.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
This is a big topic today because Coach Prime was
defensive in his press conference today about the two minutes
drill and it's a big discussion point.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
People are talking about it on Twitter.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
I imagine around town it's being discussed, so I thought
it would be interesting to sort of talk about it.
I did go into the segment though, tool ask you
about arch Manning because you did a nice breakdown on
your Twitter account over the weekend about arch Maning. So
I did go into it with the intention of doing that.
We just sort of got a little sidetracked. Happens from
time to time. It's live radio, So thank you guys
for rolling with us. Let's get into the arch Manning
stuff though, and again, congratulations on winning that ten percent
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or so that the tenor sat I can never what's
your percentage from coach primeck you guys negotiating seven?
Speaker 2 (10:31):
That's I'm my bad.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
I'll let you know when it check comes.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
So the long awaited Texas versus Ohio State one versus three.
I was so I can't even tell you how excited
I was about this game. Because I love college football.
You left college football. We're both Heisman voters.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
We we're going to.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Watch every game as much as we possibly can. But
you don't see a one versus three in the opening
weekend almost.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Ever, like almost ever.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
And arch Manning at Ohio state, defending national champions. There
was so much buzz on this game, but yet it
probably was due for a bit of a letdown.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Right, like that much buzz.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Unless this is an all timer in Week one of
college football, it's gonna be a bit of a letdown.
And unfortunately for arch Manning, boy, there was a lot
of people that were looking to celebrate his struggles out
on the field as he was seventeen for thirty one
hundred and seventy passing yards, one passing touchdown, had an interception,
tit carries for thirty eight yards.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
The touchdown course came late.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
He actually had a couple of really nice throws late,
but the first three cords were pretty rough for arch Manning.
So I guess I'm asking you to give me a
little bit of your perspective on what you saw from
arch Manning.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
And there's a root, I guess reason to be concerned.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Well, the biggest thing was arch footwork, and that's why
you'd like to start with every single quarterbay they get
him in trouble at times where he couldn't he was
nable to scuore his feet, transfer his weight, and square
his shoulders and deliver a.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Great pass yes, that did happen to him.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
But to me, I'm not down on the young kid
because the kid has some ability. And like I said before,
that first game of the season is like a preseason game.
You're playing on the row and you think about Art
to this point. I think he started two games last season,
but both of those games, if I'm not mistaken, were
at home.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Now you in the shoe, Now you in the stuff,
You're in the muck. Now you are the number one
team in the country.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
You are projected to be the first guy to be
taking off the board in twenty twenty six Cleveland and
Andrew Berry and Haslan was there, the owner of the
Cleveland Browns, and like you projected to be a Heisman winner,
like the front and one or two win it. That's
a significant amount of president. Oh, by the way, you
got Manning on the back of your jersey. No doubt
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you had your grandfather and both of your uncles excel
in the pro game expectations for him coming out of
high school, and I don't They're not a lot of
people who have been under that type of pressure, right,
And yes, could Arch have helped himself, absolutely, And I
think this game was built up, and Arch was built
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up to a certain way where the hype was going
to be like a tsunami for him, and every single throw,
every single dropback was going to.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Be critiqued, critiqued, critique. Now here's what I'll say to me.
I'll also say.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
That's fair game because other quarterbacks have undergone scrutiny the same.
And I was wondering how those pronosticators who.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Had hyped him up, how they were going to approach
this situation.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
But I broke down some plays you can find it
at Nick Ferguson Underscore twenty five to show.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
That all of this wasn't just Arch's fault.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Just like a lot of quarterbacks, it is do you
have a running game to support you a defense? Are
your wide receivers running to fight.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
To get open?
Speaker 3 (13:57):
And is your offensive line protecting and on al I
diagram great protection?
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Right. The routes themselves were an issue.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
It was like first and ten, First and ten, dog,
why are you running fifteen yards of the field?
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Stop someone come back to the quarterback right.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
So I attributed that to a fail on the scheme itself.
But then there was a window that opened on the
right side. Arch taken run there's nothing wrong with running.
And the same thing happened with Cadence Sltzer. It's like, man,
you're dual threat quarterback, and the pressure for a lot
of these kids to conform to what pro evaluators want
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them to be. They want them to stand in the pocket.
I'm like, no, the defense is broken down. Take what
they're giving you. That's what we're saying. This is why
I hate when people over criticize some quarterbacks and not
all because it's like, well, you don't want.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
To take the checkdount, Oh he's doing checkdown if that's.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
The defense has given you, because they're a lot not
allowing you to get the deep throat you take it.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
So for me, I think arts would be okay.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
And I'm a fan of the kid, and I hope
people kind of come down off of their negative discord
about who he is as a player.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
All Right, we'll come back. I want to finish this conversation. Also,
the Broncos have just released their depth chart. We'll get
into that next.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
First off. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was the way thing.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Yeah, yes, yeah, Ryan Harris called themselves little Ryan call
you right.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah, So it was a big pivot. I've worked on
that a little bit, big pivot, a little better. Yes,
it was nice. By the way, we're throwing out the
first pitch on on Friday night.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Comparing the videos because I've lost like forty pounds since then,
it has a yeah, literally lot. So so you see
yourself in the old video like, oh my gosh. I
think anybody when you see yourself in a video or
photo and you're like, oh, that's that's what I look like.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
It's not that you're.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Thinking about it all the time, but then you know
getting out there and be like, Okay, it's a little better,
and you know, not quite all what I want to
look like necessarily, And I'm not trying to talk about
any kind of complex I have.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
It's just one of those I noticed the side by
side and I was like.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Wow, that's that's I felt a little better, more confidence.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Going out there on the mount.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Well, Ryan, allow me to help you out here. It's
called progress. It is progress, progress, pitch positive. Yeah, progress, Yeah, absolutely,
there you go.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
We'll get to the Broncos unofficial deep chart here in
just second. It was just put out a couple of
interesting notes for that. Nothing I think that surprises us.
But we'll get to a couple of oaths we'll hear
from Sean Payton and Drew Brees, caught up after five
o'clock talking about bo Nix and how much they're trying
to add to his plate early in the season. I
wanted to round out our conversation with arch man a
couple of other college football topics as well, and then
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we just received one of the dumbest texts I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
In my entire life. So we'll get to that here
in a second too.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
But we were talking about the pressure in arch Manning.
I think it's multi faceted, and it starts with the
Manning name, It starts with the buzz, It starts with
also being number one in the country. Texas was coming
into this thing, number one in the country. You're on
the road against Ohio State. But when the reaction seemed
like an auto just a correction, like an over correction.
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The reaction to arch Manning's performance, it wasn't great, but
it felt like people were sort of waiting in the
weeds to take their shots because they were all along
wondering if arch Manning was going to be that guy.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
I say this kind of my last point on it.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
I thought Texas as a team played well enough to
win that game.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
I honestly did. We're talking about during the break.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
The pocket was good, the offensive line was great, they
had a great running game. I don't remember the receivers
other than maybe what they were coached to do doing
anything wrong. So I think what happens is when the
rest of the team, including the defense, plays a good game,
and it's the quarterback pretty obviously not playing up to
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the level that he probably needed to play out And
he even acknowledged that by the way after the game,
which is smart on his part.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Didn't get defensive wow shot.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Then it's like logical, right, it's a human reaction to go, well, okay,
there you go.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Everybody else played a great game.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Arch Manning did not play up to the standard he
needs too, And now we can sort of put the
entire weight of this loss on Texas, and I think
that's kind of just really what's happening here. And the
reality is is he'll be better. Texas will be in
the College Football Playoff. I have no doubt about that.
And I'm glad that we have the expanded group now
because if we didn't, this game actually might have been
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to Texas season, which is a weird thing that we
used to do. But yeah, I think I come back
to it and say, I think arch man is gonna
be just fine. You said, there's some footwork stuff to
clean up. There's some route decisions that they made have
in sending guys deep, even though the protection was good,
guys deep, and as he's going through progressions, nobody's open.
What is he supposed to do? So there's things to
learn from it. But I'm not really down in arch
Manning whatsoever. I just think that we came to the
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end of this thing. The run game was good, the
pocket was good, the defense played good. It was all
in the road against Ohio State, and then the in
arch Maning didn't have a great game.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Once again.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
This is why I am not one of those individuals
that subscribe to the idea that everything is about the quarterback.
Right in the professional league, it's all about the quarterback,
and it's like all these other positions had nothing to do.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
With that team winning. It was just one guy.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
And what we're seeing is that this is a byproduct
of where we are from a sports you know standpoint,
where we consume sports all the time.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Twenty four seven.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
And when we're constantly presented with someone and said, well,
this is the guy, this is the guy, this is
the guy. Okay, well when we watched the guy, he's
not showing that he's the guy. That becomes a problem
and now everyone is looking, like you said, waiting for the.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Other shoot to drop.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
And when it drops, man, they come in the guns
of blazing. So the idea is that this is why
it is difficult being a professional athlete, being a collegiate athlete,
being an athlete period, because there are always people looking
to critique you and break you down, and we lose
the human side of sports because people are like, oh,
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that's my fantasy team, he didn't catch the ball, he
didn't do this. So now you go on social media
and you destroy that person. You don't care whether what
this kid is his mom think. You just know that
you want some get back and you aim in it
directly at this particular person. And I am not I'm
not a fan of that, and it's one of the
reasons I got into this business because I want to
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tell fans not what to think. I want to present
things to you facts and let you make your own opinion.
Because you have multiple people saying negative things, and I
don't think that's right to break this kid down or
any other high school athlete, no matter what sport that
they're playing. You don't know what that kid is going through.
You have no idea, but it's good to let your
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one hundred and or two and forty characters with your
fingers just just just start to move in.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Right, well said, well said?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
All right? Before we get to the unofficial depth chart
of the Broncos and a couple of observations, I just
want to read this text very quickly. Nick Ferguson's addressed
to you, but I'm going to read this and show
have the text line in front of you. Nick Ferguson,
you should ask the other KA eight to fifty on
air sports talent. I'm assuming he's talking about me, who
pays them to always criticize Coach Prime. KOA fifty is
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anti Coach Prime because he did not agree to do
a radio show with Koa. So your management has given
the orders to knock down see you football at every
chance they get. That's from JP. Well, there's a lot
of things wrong with that. First of all, you know,
whether we asked for a weekly radio show or not.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
I don't think that was it.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
I mean, I've been on KOA now for six years
three with this show.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
I don't think we ever did a weekly show.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
I know that we do the obviously Buff's prime time
Mark Johnson. That's always great and that he does agree
to so he doesn't weekly hit her on KOWA. I
am not personally speaking for me, and I imagine Dave's
the same way. None of us are anti Coach Prime.
In fact, he has put this team on the map.
He is electric. I love covering Coach Prime and I
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want the best for CEU basically every single week because
it's a lot more fun to talk about. And I'm
telling you honestly how I feel about it. You know,
I'm gonna CSU grad, but being on the flagship here
for CU, it's a lot of fun to talk about
the Coach Prime era.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
They're very interesting.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
They are on national headline every single week and that
is not something that existed prior to Coach Prime. So
I'm a big fan of him. I was a big
fan before he even got here, and then the fact
that he chose to come to see you and that
he stayed past when Shador and Travis Hunter and Shiloh
all left. It's remarkable. He's worth every penny that they're
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paying up there. That does not absolve him of any
criticism at all. Like all those things can be true
at the same time, Nick, we can say he matters
it they matter because of Coach Prime, but at the
same time he's gonna make mistakes, and when those mistakes happen,
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we do have to discuss him.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
There's this following of Coach Prime.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
It's either with us or against this thing that I've
noticed on social media and otherwise it feels as though
you can't criticize anything without ruffling the feathers of that
group that supports him. I'm just gonna tell you, first
of all, management hasn't given us any kind of green
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light to go after Coach Prime. And no, I do
not get paid to talk about Coach Prime. I get
paid to talk about Colorado Sports. I get paid to
talk about the Broncos because I do the pre and
post game for them. But yeah, we talk about Coach
Prime because they're relevant and I sited the relevant and
what he did today.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Being defensive, I don't think was the right call.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
But that's my opinion, and I'm sure there are a
bunch of Sausika fans out there that will say the
opposite of that, saying, oh good for Coach Prime to
go after those media members.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
For Robert Burke. Okay, right, is that what they sound like?
I don't know Robert rober rattle. I was thinking about
a South Park episode, the Robert Robert rattle. But yeah,
that's fine.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
You guys can absolutely feel that way and defend Coach
Prime no matter what he says or does. I do
think that there's room for in the midst of a
loss to talk about some of the finer points because
we get to do that he has to get ready
for the next game.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Ys, and it's very difficult.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
This is an example of when being a fanatic and
fandom kind of gets out of hand where you're not
willing to see something that is staring you right in
the face. And everyone has an entitled to their own opinion.
And that's why I never get on his mic and
try to tell individual this is what you should think
just because I thought of it. No, I am going
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to give you context and supporting facts.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, we're mostly joking about you being an agent. Somebody
texts that in so you being an agent believe that.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I don't listen for that text.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Are out there who might wear may or may not
wear an illuminum hats. I'm just gonna let you know
I don't actually believe that Nick Ferguson takes money to
support coach from it.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
I was literally reading the text and just having some
fun with it.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Well, sometimes you know, people take things literally right, and
I know we were just joking about it, but no, man,
to me, it's like being able to talk about every
single thing from from a factus standpoint and anyone denying
the whole idea that Coach Prime could have done a
better job handling those timeouts.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
I mean, I watch it, I'm like, well, and I
watched it again, and I'm like, well, after that negative
play on.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
The screen to the right, call it all the time out.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
It call the time out, screaming screaming on the TV.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
And the reason you do that once again, you get
everyone on the sideline. Okay, we have about forty two seconds.
We got to get the ball, not a field goal position,
but we have to actually score, and once we score,
we have to hurry up kick a field goal.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
So we can extend this game.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
But the only way we can do that is understanding,
having everyone on the same page. Whatever you did and
spring practice would not prepare you for what's happening in
that game.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
It would not.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
And calling Kayton over explaining everyone in situation Pat Schrmer
delivering this is what we want to do with our
next couple of plays. If we don't get this on
the very next play, hey, we may have to call
another time out. If we don't and it's incomplete, everyone
hurry back to the line of scrimmers because we need
to go again, right, because maybe you can and save
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a time out. Well, when you get the after you
score to set things up. But if you don't talk
about that beforehand, we don't know, and we screw it.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Up, perfectly said. And so we get to talk about
these things.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Yes, that's the beating sports stock radio a lot of waste, right,
we get to talk about these things. I'm sure you
the Texter and otherwise are debating things when it comes
to the in and out of every single game, and
so it's so different for us. But but the accusation,
if you will, that somehow we are intentionally levying criticism
just because we don't like somebody.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
That's just that could be further from the show.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
So, Ryan, you were also once upon a time considered
to be an individual that didn't levy criticism.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
You were you were called the spin doctor a little bit. Somebody,
somebody in town, someone.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Called you that. So the idea is that you're damned
if you do. You're damned if you don't. So my
idea is, damn you. I'm gonna have to pay attention
to you.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
I'm just going to tell you what I say, and
if you don't like.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
It, hey, so what well said?
Speaker 4 (28:04):
All Right?
Speaker 1 (28:05):
I want to get to the unofficial depth chart, and
I love how they made sure to put unofficial.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Gotta love Sean Bayden.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
What does it become?
Speaker 2 (28:15):
I don't know, man, We're going into the first week.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Everybody else in the league is putting out official depth charts,
but we are doing unofficial.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
I don't you know.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
It doesn't even matter. There's nothing odd here that I
didn't really know. But there's a couple of things I
wanted to point out. Otherwise, Tyler Bidet comes in as
your number three running back, ahead of Julia McLoughlin. That's
one thing that sort of interesting and it's mostly interesting
because what game day actives and inactives look like because
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you don't always activate all four running backs. So Tyler
Biday unofficially is number three on the depth chart. That
means he's gonna get first crack at beyond the active roster,
and Jalil McLoughlin will be an inactive player most Sundays.
That's why that is interesting. As a guy, it was
kind of in the mixes as a starting running back.
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Now he was not Davante, but we went into last
season saying, well, between Javonte and Juliel, we thought there
were kind of the top two guys. Now Tyler badeve
worked into it that he had heard and obviously was
a mess and adric estimate and all those kinds of things.
We don't need to reallyive. That point is here. You
keep usually go three on active game day. The fourth guy,
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unfortunately is inactive, and it looks like, as this is
laying out unofficially, that'll be Julia McLoughlin.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Well, that shouldn't be a huge surprise to anyone because
it seemed as though Tyler Bedat was always one of
Coach Payton's favorites. Remember go back last year that New
York Jets game, he got injured and then Javonte had
to come in. If he doesn't get injured with whatever
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back injury he has, he would have been the Broncos
pretty much lead back over audreck Estime, who was still
a Shan Peyton favorite.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
But he's now he's no longer here on this roster.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
So I'm not surprised by this, and this was this
was happened, It happens once again. I like to make
it relevant to a lot of people that put them
in the mindset that they can understand. It's like being
a parent. You may have a kid that you favor
more than some of the others. This is just kind
of example of that. That's all we're seeing.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Do you have a kid that you favor more?
Speaker 4 (30:26):
No, I treat them all the same. They all washing dishes.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Yes they are even a seven year old.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
But what he was four?
Speaker 3 (30:34):
No, no, no no no, technically no, he wasn't right.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
Don't try to do that. No, no, no, when he
was six six six bad.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Because you have to be able to reach the sink,
and then we give you steps too if you can't.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Okay, Right, at six, he was washing the family dishes.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
No, he was washing his own dishes.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
I see, he gives you keep trying to do, man,
stop trying to lead the witness.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
That's what you're trying to do, you honor. Hey, hey,
he's trying to lead the witness.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
That I never called you a spin doctor.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
I never called you one either, didn't you you really? Yes?
I never called you one.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
You're on a light.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
To go back to day one when we had Nick
Ferguson in studio and uh, the acknowledgment that he made.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Oh, I acknowledged that I was in the room when
it was said, and I heard it right. But I
didn't call you spin doctor by name, by.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Name they're talking about it.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
I'm really really proud of this.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
We have to be technical when we speak all these things.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Well, yeah, you're on another station. You're not gonna call
me out by name.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Sound you're just gonna say this the show that's on opposite.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Us, and the spin doctor's over there.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Someone else said that. I was like, oh, really, okay,
that's what we're doing. Yes, because I hadn't heard what
they were telling me.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Some will say that's being complicit. I guess it's tomato
Tomatow and some will.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
Say that that's wrong, and I'm.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Saying the other thing that jumped out to me on
the unofficial depth chart, Jaquan McMillan ahead of Johnny Baron,
that's expected.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
For me, it was expected. What's your reaction to that, Oh.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Yeah, it's most definitely yes, expected, But.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
That doesn't necessarily mean that this is in penn right.
Hence the word unofficial, because once you get into game day,
all of those things can change based on how a
person is playing.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
And also with Johnny Baron being a first round.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Pick, it's almost like drafting a quarterback in the first round.
At some point you got a plan, but opposed to
a quarterback where you may give him a little more time. No,
you're going to see Johddy Barren come Week one against
the Tennessee Tights.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
He's gonna play.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
And I'm not just talking about on special teams, right,
So this thing is going to be interchangeable, and at
some point someone's gonna get to a point where say,
you know what, Yes, Jaday has made enough plays even
though he's played twelve plays to Jakwa McMillan's twenty four,
you know what we need to go ahead and make
the switch.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Everything else on this thing, more or less is expected.
Cortland Sudden, Marvin Minz. You're starting wide receivers. Troy Franklin
and Pat Bryant backed him up. Trans Sherfield is on
third team, but again he's also a special team Jace
for you.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Go ahead, here's something else to pay attention to.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Now at left corner you have Pat Sertan and who's
behind him? That's right now, someone would have thought that
maybe maybe to get Jade on the field sooner or
not at.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
The nickel position, but at the corner position, you would
have put him behind who Rather? Moss interested?
Speaker 2 (33:43):
But Chris Abrams drain doesn't make a difference. Is the
backup to Rather doesn't make a difference.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
Who was your first round draft choice?
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Who was your first round draft shoy Oh, we want
to get him on the field. Listen, if you're putting
Jaddy barn a first rounder, behind another first rounder, that's
gonna be a hard heel to overcome. You're not getting
on the field with PS two Riley Moss. Maybe it can.
So that's something that's they got to me.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Yeah, that's kind of interesting.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
I'll give you that because you're you're right, you're not
rotating in pazar Dan.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
No, you're not.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Yeah, he stays in the field.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Uh, why do you think that was the case. Why
do you think that was the case.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
I'm just pointing out and I made an observation. Yeah,
and I'm just pointing it out.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Well, probably because if you put him behind Riley Moss,
people like me would read into it.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
What would you read into it, Ryan, that.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
He is nipping on the heels of Riley Moss, which
I don't think is the case. I really don't. I
think he's more nipping on the heels of Jaque. But
the fact is is he's probably at this point you're dying.
He's gonna see the field in dime. But when you're
a nickel, you want to have Jquon out there initially
because he's.
Speaker 7 (34:57):
He looks good, he's looked like he's back, Yes, But
if you want to get him on the field right away,
you're not gonna get him on the field being behind
ps not gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
Not going to happen.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Maybe that's why this is unofficial. I'm just saying, So
are they sending a message with this?
Speaker 4 (35:18):
I mean, you tell me what kind of message did you.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Have to get accused of reading into way too many things? Anyways,
what are you reading into it?
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Well, what I'm reading into it like they really like Jada,
but the idea is that maybe he can overtake the
Nickel position, but not being right there where they want
him to be, to overtake Riley Moss because to.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Me, it would make sense to put him behind Riley right.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Because there's a possibility through competition and as the season progressed,
maybe he can overtake Raleigh.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
He's not taking over overtaking Number two
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We'll get into some fun conversations with the Broncos. I
thought Sean Payton brought up adding more to bo Nix's plate.
Drew Brees also talking recently on a podcast about the
same exact thing.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
We'll get to that after five o'clock tonight.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
I want to get to the arch Manning stuff though,
because you had a nice little breakdown on that, and again,
if what a great weekend for college football. Certainly locally
we would wanted more for CU and CSU, but hey,
that's that's part of the game, right You're.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Gonna win some, you're gonna lose some.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
I thought I thought both CSU and CU had some
really nice moments in the game.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
They also both let opportunities slip away.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
And that's week one of the college football season, and
I'm not down about either of those programs. I still
think both those programs could have not only winning records,
but can be in position for a bowl game, maybe
not a college football playoff, but it's still early, especially
for CU.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Yeah, I totally agree with that because unlike the pros
that first game, but the season is a preseason game, and.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Anything that can go wrong will go wrong.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
You can have your spring game, but it's never enough
to prepare you for all the things that take place
in the game. Just think about Bill Belichick and we'll
get to that later on. But I think you're right
CEU and CSU. They did a great job all things.
You know, we're looking at all things equally. But there's
much more that these teams need to do. And I'm
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sure they're going to go back to the drawing board
and try to remedy some of the issues.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
But this is what you expect.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
I mean, we see a lot of things from NFL
teams in preseason games. Like the NFL season kicks off
this Thursday. Dallas and Philadelphia. They're gonna be some issues
on both sides of the ball for both teams. Dallas
trying to adjust to life without Michael Parson that Philadelphia Eagles.
Can they overcome the surge of energy that they're gonna
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have because now.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
They're handing out rings, hosting up.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Banners or whatever, and can you still go out with
that level of pressure and go out and play. But
for me, I love what I've seen from both CSU
and CU and they just need to continue to move forward,
learn from this, but kind of put it behind them
a little.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
And so I didn't necessarily love coach Prime being defensive
today about the the two minutes drill.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
You would be defensive too.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
No, No, I don't think I would.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
If you were coaching and that happened, and the defensive
with the media, yeah, I mean that's kind of why
the course. I mean, that always happens, does it not.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
I just don't get it.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Okay, So now someone is calling you on something that
everyone saw and everyone has their opinion as far as
how he should have dealt with that particular moment of
the game, right, sure, So being asked that and being
put on blast and you're thinking, okay, well I did
everything right.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
I did what I was supposed to him. You think like, uh,
well you didn't.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Well he didn't do everything right and it's mine. Yeah,
But those are the questions that come up after anyways, right.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I mean it's the same thing if.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
I asked him like, hey, you guys only scored seven
points off three turnovers to begin in the game. I
feel like you have done anything better there, right, and
you would you do it and be defensive because yeah,
we should have done better there, you lost the game,
ran hold on, you ran clad. Now you made a
gut decision in the moment. Now, if you want to
defend that, that's fine. But they'll be defensive about the
question because you know, as a coach you're going to
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get that question.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
So so and my experience being on the side of
coaching and playing is different from being on this side,
being part of the media because when you lose a game.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
When you when you win a game and you.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Asked me a question, my response isn't as spirited, right
because we won the game, But when you lose, it
only amplifies things, right, So it's like, oh man, why
are you coming at me sideways?
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Why did you just start with what we did right?
So you started what we did.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Wrong because it's all about what are you lose again?
Speaker 4 (03:56):
No nos, like come on PI.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
In my mind, okay, yes, this is how I think
that some coaches actually respond right in their heads, but
it doesn't really come up. But just think about it.
Any coach that you've seen in this town, right that,
when they've lost the game and they've been asked a
question that we all sat and watched and we're going like,
wait a minute, that doesn't make any sense. Just reflect
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on what the answer was to the person who asked
them the freaking question.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
I guess it is maybe the relationship with that specific
reporter like Chris Thomas and gets a lot of the
lot of he dos us the stuff from Jean exactly. So.
But if maybe say Mike asked that question my cliss,
then maybe he doesn't respond that way. I understand your point,
and we're human. It's a human reaction kind of thing.
I think there's to the point defending the decisions versus
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being defensive about the positions.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
And and that's where I.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Think Coach Prime has struggled at times up there at
see you if I'm being honest about his messaging. Uh,
even the stuff I think was this last offseason to
see off season before with players that had left the
program and they would after them on social media because
they didn't like the way they were coming after CU
or the or Coach Prime and his kids and all
those kinds of things and some of the culture that
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they're building up there.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
And I don't know, man, I think that the messaging
has been a little.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Bit skewed, a little weird for CU but they certainly
love when they're winning.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Uh, coach Prime his boys.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I mean they were talking about Shador and Shiloh, and
I mean they when they were winning. Oh Man, they
tell everybody how great they are. But if they're losing,
it is a US against the world kind of metalenty.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
But that happens with a lot of coaches. Think about
what doesn't.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Have to be.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Man, it's a lot of people that have bought into
what they're doing.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Great, but it doesn't have to be.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
But understanding coaching and their mindset and how those coaches
were groom. This is part of thinking about when when
Michael Malone was coaching the Denver Nuggets and he would
be asked certain questions about out his team's level of toughness.
We all know how he responded and asked answered that question.
And sometimes that happens in the loss, right, No one's
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there best in the loss. And now I have to
come up here and I have to sit here, and
I have to sit in the room where people that
I don't respect and have them chastise me about what
we did on the field, knowing as though they're wasn't
they're just spectators.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
You should just change your mindset, then why do you not.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
No no, no, no, no no no.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
See now, let's put to the world in the mindset
of a coach. That's not how some of the coaches
look at. Some coaches they respect the media. Some coaches don't.
So when you ask me a question that you're thinking, okay,
well is that rhetorical or not? You should know the
answer to the question. But you're gonna ask me again. Oh,
by the way, are you paying attention to this press
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conference because two other guys asked me the same question,
phrase different, But third God is now going to ask
me the question and you want me as question straight face.
I'm just trying to bring you into the world Ryan,
I'm not saying that is logical.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
I'm just trying to let you know how and the why.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
I appreciate you arguing on behalf of theological.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
I'm just trying. I'm just trying to put you in
that position.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Have you not been in this type of situations with
your kids or your wife where they ask you a
question where you are it's just like you said, already.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Know asking me a question situation. I respect you're saying question.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
You didn't as I said, have you ever been in
a situation where your wife or your kids asked you
a question when they somewhat knew the answer because they
were spectators of what just took place?
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Did I disrespect them? And what I see?
Speaker 4 (07:54):
I'm going to answer the question for you since you
won't answer.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Have I been answered asked a question like that by
my significant other?
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Yes? And am I thinking in my head? You know what?
You already know the answer to the question. So why
you asked me if you paid attention to what I
just said? Notice I said, I didn't verbalize it. I
thought in my mind right, So.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
What is happening right now?
Speaker 3 (08:19):
I'm just letting you know, getting you insight on how
certain things go time.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
I typically find a lot of humor and enjoyment out
of your analogies.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
This one, because you don't did not happen.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Because you don't want to admit that.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Sometimes when we are in situations where people who have
observed us at our worst and they're asking us about
that particular question, we.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Don't want to acknowledge that.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
I don't care what the text I understand, because they
too have been in that situation.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
So I said, how much is Nick?
Speaker 4 (08:51):
How much is.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Nick drop it? You were wrong? Nick's arguing for the
sake of arguing, no, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
You are well No, no, be logically, I'm trying to
take you and the listeners, whether you think it is
logical or not, into the mindset of coaches when they're
dealing with those types of questions, they know in their
hearts and hearts that you know what, maybe they could
have done something a lot better, right, I admit that
they're not.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
Going to give you the benefit of doubt. No, that's
not how it works, because you are at odds. We
are at odds. We are born enemies. We don't have
to be though I know we don't have to. But
that's how some individuals.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
A little bit of transparency could go a long way.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Trust me, yes, being honest.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
More people are respective of transparency and being honest, and
they go, you know what, I didn't agree what he did,
but at least he was honest about it.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
We found some common ground and you earned your ten percent.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Today.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
This is a big topic today because Coach Prime was
defensive in his press conference today about the two minutes
drill and it's a big discussion point.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
People are talking about it on Twitter.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
I imagine around town it's being discussed, so I thought
it would be interesting to sort of talk about it.
I did go into the segment though, tool ask you
about arch Manning because you did a nice breakdown on
your Twitter account over the weekend about arch Maning. So
I did go into it with the intention of doing that.
We just sort of got a little sidetracked. Happens from
time to time. It's live radio, So thank you guys
for rolling with us. Let's get into the arch Manning
stuff though, and again, congratulations on winning that ten percent
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or so that the tenor sat I can never what's
your percentage from coach primeck you guys negotiating seven?
Speaker 2 (10:31):
That's I'm my bad.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
I'll let you know when it check comes.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
So the long awaited Texas versus Ohio State one versus three.
I was so I can't even tell you how excited
I was about this game. Because I love college football.
You left college football. We're both Heisman voters.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
We we're going to.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Watch every game as much as we possibly can. But
you don't see a one versus three in the opening
weekend almost.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Ever, like almost ever.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
And arch Manning at Ohio state, defending national champions. There
was so much buzz on this game, but yet it
probably was due for a bit of a letdown.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Right, like that much buzz.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Unless this is an all timer in Week one of
college football, it's gonna be a bit of a letdown.
And unfortunately for arch Manning, boy, there was a lot
of people that were looking to celebrate his struggles out
on the field as he was seventeen for thirty one
hundred and seventy passing yards, one passing touchdown, had an interception,
tit carries for thirty eight yards.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
The touchdown course came late.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
He actually had a couple of really nice throws late,
but the first three cords were pretty rough for arch Manning.
So I guess I'm asking you to give me a
little bit of your perspective on what you saw from
arch Manning.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
And there's a root, I guess reason to be concerned.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Well, the biggest thing was arch footwork, and that's why
you'd like to start with every single quarterbay they get
him in trouble at times where he couldn't he was
nable to scuore his feet, transfer his weight, and square
his shoulders and deliver a.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Great pass yes, that did happen to him.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
But to me, I'm not down on the young kid
because the kid has some ability. And like I said before,
that first game of the season is like a preseason game.
You're playing on the row and you think about Art
to this point. I think he started two games last season,
but both of those games, if I'm not mistaken, were
at home.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Now you in the shoe, Now you in the stuff,
You're in the muck. Now you are the number one
team in the country.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
You are projected to be the first guy to be
taking off the board in twenty twenty six Cleveland and
Andrew Berry and Haslan was there, the owner of the
Cleveland Browns, and like you projected to be a Heisman winner,
like the front and one or two win it. That's
a significant amount of president. Oh, by the way, you
got Manning on the back of your jersey. No doubt
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you had your grandfather and both of your uncles excel
in the pro game expectations for him coming out of
high school, and I don't They're not a lot of
people who have been under that type of pressure, right,
And yes, could Arch have helped himself, absolutely, And I
think this game was built up, and Arch was built
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up to a certain way where the hype was going
to be like a tsunami for him, and every single throw,
every single dropback was going to.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Be critiqued, critiqued, critique. Now here's what I'll say to me.
I'll also say.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
That's fair game because other quarterbacks have undergone scrutiny the same.
And I was wondering how those pronosticators who.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Had hyped him up, how they were going to approach
this situation.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
But I broke down some plays you can find it
at Nick Ferguson Underscore twenty five to show.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
That all of this wasn't just Arch's fault.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Just like a lot of quarterbacks, it is do you
have a running game to support you a defense? Are
your wide receivers running to fight.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
To get open?
Speaker 3 (13:57):
And is your offensive line protecting and on al I
diagram great protection?
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Right. The routes themselves were an issue.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
It was like first and ten, First and ten, dog,
why are you running fifteen yards of the field?
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Stop someone come back to the quarterback right.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
So I attributed that to a fail on the scheme itself.
But then there was a window that opened on the
right side. Arch taken run there's nothing wrong with running.
And the same thing happened with Cadence Sltzer. It's like, man,
you're dual threat quarterback, and the pressure for a lot
of these kids to conform to what pro evaluators want
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them to be. They want them to stand in the pocket.
I'm like, no, the defense is broken down. Take what
they're giving you. That's what we're saying. This is why
I hate when people over criticize some quarterbacks and not
all because it's like, well, you don't want.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
To take the checkdount, Oh he's doing checkdown if that's.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
The defense has given you, because they're a lot not
allowing you to get the deep throat you take it.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
So for me, I think arts would be okay.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
And I'm a fan of the kid, and I hope
people kind of come down off of their negative discord
about who he is as a player.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
All Right, we'll come back. I want to finish this conversation. Also,
the Broncos have just released their depth chart. We'll get
into that next.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
First off. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was the way thing.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Yeah, yes, yeah, Ryan Harris called themselves little Ryan call
you right.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah, So it was a big pivot. I've worked on
that a little bit, big pivot, a little better. Yes,
it was nice. By the way, we're throwing out the
first pitch on on Friday night.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Comparing the videos because I've lost like forty pounds since then,
it has a yeah, literally lot. So so you see
yourself in the old video like, oh my gosh. I
think anybody when you see yourself in a video or
photo and you're like, oh, that's that's what I look like.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
It's not that you're.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Thinking about it all the time, but then you know
getting out there and be like, Okay, it's a little better,
and you know, not quite all what I want to
look like necessarily, And I'm not trying to talk about
any kind of complex I have.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
It's just one of those I noticed the side by
side and I was like.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Wow, that's that's I felt a little better, more confidence.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Going out there on the mount.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Well, Ryan, allow me to help you out here. It's
called progress. It is progress, progress, pitch positive. Yeah, progress, Yeah, absolutely,
there you go.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
We'll get to the Broncos unofficial deep chart here in
just second. It was just put out a couple of
interesting notes for that. Nothing I think that surprises us.
But we'll get to a couple of oaths we'll hear
from Sean Payton and Drew Brees, caught up after five
o'clock talking about bo Nix and how much they're trying
to add to his plate early in the season. I
wanted to round out our conversation with arch man a
couple of other college football topics as well, and then
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we just received one of the dumbest texts I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
In my entire life. So we'll get to that here
in a second too.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
But we were talking about the pressure in arch Manning.
I think it's multi faceted, and it starts with the
Manning name, It starts with the buzz, It starts with
also being number one in the country. Texas was coming
into this thing, number one in the country. You're on
the road against Ohio State. But when the reaction seemed
like an auto just a correction, like an over correction.
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The reaction to arch Manning's performance, it wasn't great, but
it felt like people were sort of waiting in the
weeds to take their shots because they were all along
wondering if arch Manning was going to be that guy.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
I say this kind of my last point on it.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
I thought Texas as a team played well enough to
win that game.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
I honestly did. We're talking about during the break.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
The pocket was good, the offensive line was great, they
had a great running game. I don't remember the receivers
other than maybe what they were coached to do doing
anything wrong. So I think what happens is when the
rest of the team, including the defense, plays a good game,
and it's the quarterback pretty obviously not playing up to
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the level that he probably needed to play out And
he even acknowledged that by the way after the game,
which is smart on his part.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Didn't get defensive wow shot.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Then it's like logical, right, it's a human reaction to go, well, okay,
there you go.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Everybody else played a great game.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Arch Manning did not play up to the standard he
needs too, And now we can sort of put the
entire weight of this loss on Texas, and I think
that's kind of just really what's happening here. And the
reality is is he'll be better. Texas will be in
the College Football Playoff. I have no doubt about that.
And I'm glad that we have the expanded group now
because if we didn't, this game actually might have been
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to Texas season, which is a weird thing that we
used to do. But yeah, I think I come back
to it and say, I think arch man is gonna
be just fine. You said, there's some footwork stuff to
clean up. There's some route decisions that they made have
in sending guys deep, even though the protection was good,
guys deep, and as he's going through progressions, nobody's open.
What is he supposed to do? So there's things to
learn from it. But I'm not really down in arch
Manning whatsoever. I just think that we came to the
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end of this thing. The run game was good, the
pocket was good, the defense played good. It was all
in the road against Ohio State, and then the in
arch Maning didn't have a great game.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Once again.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
This is why I am not one of those individuals
that subscribe to the idea that everything is about the quarterback.
Right in the professional league, it's all about the quarterback,
and it's like all these other positions had nothing to do.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
With that team winning. It was just one guy.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
And what we're seeing is that this is a byproduct
of where we are from a sports you know standpoint,
where we consume sports all the time.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Twenty four seven.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
And when we're constantly presented with someone and said, well,
this is the guy, this is the guy, this is
the guy. Okay, well when we watched the guy, he's
not showing that he's the guy. That becomes a problem
and now everyone is looking, like you said, waiting for the.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Other shoot to drop.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
And when it drops, man, they come in the guns
of blazing. So the idea is that this is why
it is difficult being a professional athlete, being a collegiate athlete,
being an athlete period, because there are always people looking
to critique you and break you down, and we lose
the human side of sports because people are like, oh,
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that's my fantasy team, he didn't catch the ball, he
didn't do this. So now you go on social media
and you destroy that person. You don't care whether what
this kid is his mom think. You just know that
you want some get back and you aim in it
directly at this particular person. And I am not I'm
not a fan of that, and it's one of the
reasons I got into this business because I want to
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tell fans not what to think. I want to present
things to you facts and let you make your own opinion.
Because you have multiple people saying negative things, and I
don't think that's right to break this kid down or
any other high school athlete, no matter what sport that
they're playing. You don't know what that kid is going through.
You have no idea, but it's good to let your
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one hundred and or two and forty characters with your
fingers just just just start to move in.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Right, well said, well said?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
All right? Before we get to the unofficial depth chart
of the Broncos and a couple of observations, I just
want to read this text very quickly. Nick Ferguson's addressed
to you, but I'm going to read this and show
have the text line in front of you. Nick Ferguson,
you should ask the other KA eight to fifty on
air sports talent. I'm assuming he's talking about me, who
pays them to always criticize Coach Prime. KOA fifty is
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anti Coach Prime because he did not agree to do
a radio show with Koa. So your management has given
the orders to knock down see you football at every
chance they get. That's from JP. Well, there's a lot
of things wrong with that. First of all, you know,
whether we asked for a weekly radio show or not.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
I don't think that was it.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
I mean, I've been on KOA now for six years
three with this show.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
I don't think we ever did a weekly show.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
I know that we do the obviously Buff's prime time
Mark Johnson. That's always great and that he does agree
to so he doesn't weekly hit her on KOWA. I
am not personally speaking for me, and I imagine Dave's
the same way. None of us are anti Coach Prime.
In fact, he has put this team on the map.
He is electric. I love covering Coach Prime and I
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want the best for CEU basically every single week because
it's a lot more fun to talk about. And I'm
telling you honestly how I feel about it. You know,
I'm gonna CSU grad, but being on the flagship here
for CU, it's a lot of fun to talk about
the Coach Prime era.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
They're very interesting.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
They are on national headline every single week and that
is not something that existed prior to Coach Prime. So
I'm a big fan of him. I was a big
fan before he even got here, and then the fact
that he chose to come to see you and that
he stayed past when Shador and Travis Hunter and Shiloh
all left. It's remarkable. He's worth every penny that they're
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paying up there. That does not absolve him of any
criticism at all. Like all those things can be true
at the same time, Nick, we can say he matters
it they matter because of Coach Prime, but at the
same time he's gonna make mistakes, and when those mistakes happen,
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we do have to discuss him.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
There's this following of Coach Prime.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
It's either with us or against this thing that I've
noticed on social media and otherwise it feels as though
you can't criticize anything without ruffling the feathers of that
group that supports him. I'm just gonna tell you, first
of all, management hasn't given us any kind of green
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light to go after Coach Prime. And no, I do
not get paid to talk about Coach Prime. I get
paid to talk about Colorado Sports. I get paid to
talk about the Broncos because I do the pre and
post game for them. But yeah, we talk about Coach
Prime because they're relevant and I sited the relevant and
what he did today.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Being defensive, I don't think was the right call.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
But that's my opinion, and I'm sure there are a
bunch of Sausika fans out there that will say the
opposite of that, saying, oh good for Coach Prime to
go after those media members.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
For Robert Burke. Okay, right, is that what they sound like?
I don't know Robert rober rattle. I was thinking about
a South Park episode, the Robert Robert rattle. But yeah,
that's fine.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
You guys can absolutely feel that way and defend Coach
Prime no matter what he says or does. I do
think that there's room for in the midst of a
loss to talk about some of the finer points because
we get to do that he has to get ready
for the next game.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Ys, and it's very difficult.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
This is an example of when being a fanatic and
fandom kind of gets out of hand where you're not
willing to see something that is staring you right in
the face. And everyone has an entitled to their own opinion.
And that's why I never get on his mic and
try to tell individual this is what you should think
just because I thought of it. No, I am going
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to give you context and supporting facts.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, we're mostly joking about you being an agent. Somebody
texts that in so you being an agent believe that.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I don't listen for that text.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Are out there who might wear may or may not
wear an illuminum hats. I'm just gonna let you know
I don't actually believe that Nick Ferguson takes money to
support coach from it.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
I was literally reading the text and just having some
fun with it.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Well, sometimes you know, people take things literally right, and
I know we were just joking about it, but no, man,
to me, it's like being able to talk about every
single thing from from a factus standpoint and anyone denying
the whole idea that Coach Prime could have done a
better job handling those timeouts.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
I mean, I watch it, I'm like, well, and I
watched it again, and I'm like, well, after that negative
play on.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
The screen to the right, call it all the time out.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
It call the time out, screaming screaming on the TV.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
And the reason you do that once again, you get
everyone on the sideline. Okay, we have about forty two seconds.
We got to get the ball, not a field goal position,
but we have to actually score, and once we score,
we have to hurry up kick a field goal.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
So we can extend this game.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
But the only way we can do that is understanding,
having everyone on the same page. Whatever you did and
spring practice would not prepare you for what's happening in
that game.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
It would not.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
And calling Kayton over explaining everyone in situation Pat Schrmer
delivering this is what we want to do with our
next couple of plays. If we don't get this on
the very next play, hey, we may have to call
another time out. If we don't and it's incomplete, everyone
hurry back to the line of scrimmers because we need
to go again, right, because maybe you can and save
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a time out. Well, when you get the after you
score to set things up. But if you don't talk
about that beforehand, we don't know, and we screw it.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Up, perfectly said. And so we get to talk about
these things.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Yes, that's the beating sports stock radio a lot of waste, right,
we get to talk about these things. I'm sure you
the Texter and otherwise are debating things when it comes
to the in and out of every single game, and
so it's so different for us. But but the accusation,
if you will, that somehow we are intentionally levying criticism
just because we don't like somebody.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
That's just that could be further from the show.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
So, Ryan, you were also once upon a time considered
to be an individual that didn't levy criticism.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
You were you were called the spin doctor a little bit. Somebody,
somebody in town, someone.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Called you that. So the idea is that you're damned
if you do. You're damned if you don't. So my
idea is, damn you. I'm gonna have to pay attention
to you.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
I'm just going to tell you what I say, and
if you don't like.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
It, hey, so what well said?
Speaker 4 (28:04):
All Right?
Speaker 1 (28:05):
I want to get to the unofficial depth chart, and
I love how they made sure to put unofficial.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Gotta love Sean Bayden.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
What does it become?
Speaker 2 (28:15):
I don't know, man, We're going into the first week.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Everybody else in the league is putting out official depth charts,
but we are doing unofficial.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
I don't you know.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
It doesn't even matter. There's nothing odd here that I
didn't really know. But there's a couple of things I
wanted to point out. Otherwise, Tyler Bidet comes in as
your number three running back, ahead of Julia McLoughlin. That's
one thing that sort of interesting and it's mostly interesting
because what game day actives and inactives look like because
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you don't always activate all four running backs. So Tyler
Biday unofficially is number three on the depth chart. That
means he's gonna get first crack at beyond the active roster,
and Jalil McLoughlin will be an inactive player most Sundays.
That's why that is interesting. As a guy, it was
kind of in the mixes as a starting running back.
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Now he was not Davante, but we went into last
season saying, well, between Javonte and Juliel, we thought there
were kind of the top two guys. Now Tyler badeve
worked into it that he had heard and obviously was
a mess and adric estimate and all those kinds of things.
We don't need to reallyive. That point is here. You
keep usually go three on active game day. The fourth guy,
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unfortunately is inactive, and it looks like, as this is
laying out unofficially, that'll be Julia McLoughlin.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Well, that shouldn't be a huge surprise to anyone because
it seemed as though Tyler Bedat was always one of
Coach Payton's favorites. Remember go back last year that New
York Jets game, he got injured and then Javonte had
to come in. If he doesn't get injured with whatever
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back injury he has, he would have been the Broncos
pretty much lead back over audreck Estime, who was still
a Shan Peyton favorite.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
But he's now he's no longer here on this roster.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
So I'm not surprised by this, and this was this
was happened, It happens once again. I like to make
it relevant to a lot of people that put them
in the mindset that they can understand. It's like being
a parent. You may have a kid that you favor
more than some of the others. This is just kind
of example of that. That's all we're seeing.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Do you have a kid that you favor more?
Speaker 4 (30:26):
No, I treat them all the same. They all washing dishes.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Yes they are even a seven year old.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
But what he was four?
Speaker 3 (30:34):
No, no, no no no, technically no, he wasn't right.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
Don't try to do that. No, no, no, when he
was six six six bad.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Because you have to be able to reach the sink,
and then we give you steps too if you can't.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Okay, Right, at six, he was washing the family dishes.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
No, he was washing his own dishes.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
I see, he gives you keep trying to do, man,
stop trying to lead the witness.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
That's what you're trying to do, you honor. Hey, hey,
he's trying to lead the witness.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
That I never called you a spin doctor.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
I never called you one either, didn't you you really? Yes?
I never called you one.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
You're on a light.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
To go back to day one when we had Nick
Ferguson in studio and uh, the acknowledgment that he made.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Oh, I acknowledged that I was in the room when
it was said, and I heard it right. But I
didn't call you spin doctor by name, by.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Name they're talking about it.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
I'm really really proud of this.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
We have to be technical when we speak all these things.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Well, yeah, you're on another station. You're not gonna call
me out by name.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Sound you're just gonna say this the show that's on opposite.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Us, and the spin doctor's over there.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Someone else said that. I was like, oh, really, okay,
that's what we're doing. Yes, because I hadn't heard what
they were telling me.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Some will say that's being complicit. I guess it's tomato
Tomatow and some will.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
Say that that's wrong, and I'm.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Saying the other thing that jumped out to me on
the unofficial depth chart, Jaquan McMillan ahead of Johnny Baron,
that's expected.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
For me, it was expected. What's your reaction to that, Oh.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Yeah, it's most definitely yes, expected, But.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
That doesn't necessarily mean that this is in penn right.
Hence the word unofficial, because once you get into game day,
all of those things can change based on how a
person is playing.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
And also with Johnny Baron being a first round.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Pick, it's almost like drafting a quarterback in the first round.
At some point you got a plan, but opposed to
a quarterback where you may give him a little more time. No,
you're going to see Johddy Barren come Week one against
the Tennessee Tights.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
He's gonna play.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
And I'm not just talking about on special teams, right,
So this thing is going to be interchangeable, and at
some point someone's gonna get to a point where say,
you know what, Yes, Jaday has made enough plays even
though he's played twelve plays to Jakwa McMillan's twenty four,
you know what we need to go ahead and make
the switch.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Everything else on this thing, more or less is expected.
Cortland Sudden, Marvin Minz. You're starting wide receivers. Troy Franklin
and Pat Bryant backed him up. Trans Sherfield is on
third team, but again he's also a special team Jace
for you.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Go ahead, here's something else to pay attention to.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Now at left corner you have Pat Sertan and who's
behind him? That's right now, someone would have thought that
maybe maybe to get Jade on the field sooner or
not at.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
The nickel position, but at the corner position, you would
have put him behind who Rather? Moss interested?
Speaker 2 (33:43):
But Chris Abrams drain doesn't make a difference. Is the
backup to Rather doesn't make a difference.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
Who was your first round draft choice?
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Who was your first round draft shoy Oh, we want
to get him on the field. Listen, if you're putting
Jaddy barn a first rounder, behind another first rounder, that's
gonna be a hard heel to overcome. You're not getting
on the field with PS two Riley Moss. Maybe it can.
So that's something that's they got to me.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Yeah, that's kind of interesting.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
I'll give you that because you're you're right, you're not
rotating in pazar Dan.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
No, you're not.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Yeah, he stays in the field.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Uh, why do you think that was the case. Why
do you think that was the case.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
I'm just pointing out and I made an observation. Yeah,
and I'm just pointing it out.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Well, probably because if you put him behind Riley Moss,
people like me would read into it.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
What would you read into it, Ryan, that.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
He is nipping on the heels of Riley Moss, which
I don't think is the case. I really don't. I
think he's more nipping on the heels of Jaque. But
the fact is is he's probably at this point you're dying.
He's gonna see the field in dime. But when you're
a nickel, you want to have Jquon out there initially
because he's.
Speaker 7 (34:57):
He looks good, he's looked like he's back, Yes, But
if you want to get him on the field right away,
you're not gonna get him on the field being behind
ps not gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
Not going to happen.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Maybe that's why this is unofficial. I'm just saying, So
are they sending a message with this?
Speaker 4 (35:18):
I mean, you tell me what kind of message did you.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Have to get accused of reading into way too many things? Anyways,
what are you reading into it?
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Well, what I'm reading into it like they really like Jada,
but the idea is that maybe he can overtake the
Nickel position, but not being right there where they want
him to be, to overtake Riley Moss because to.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Me, it would make sense to put him behind Riley right.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Because there's a possibility through competition and as the season progressed,
maybe he can overtake Raleigh.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
He's not taking over overtaking Number two
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