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September 23, 2025 • 33 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
How you guys doing. Man, I'm upset.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
I imagine you are upset. I imagine you are about
your mad son.

Speaker 3 (00:06):
Tell them about your mad We can't do this every
week we give away football games. We'll give it away
good football games, and that hers. It bothers me. It
messes up my whole day. But it's it's you know what.
There are things that we believe we can correct. I
believe we can correct.

Speaker 4 (00:26):
Yes, everything that we've seen of the past three weeks,
three weeks.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Not two weeks long week, three weeks that are correctable.
Now as I say that, let me preposent with this.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
If these things are not corrected, then they're only going
to get worse because you still have.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
The Eagles coming up here.

Speaker 4 (00:46):
Not I don't want to jump ahead, but we have
to know that the Eagles have a defense.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
I know I should I should know that because I'm
like the player of the game or something.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
You'll be up there at midfield or.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Truly, there's something I don't know. I just know we
need to win the game.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Outfit's gonna look.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Uh you might have.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Well, We're gonna take.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
No judgment from me. Man, Listen, you know uh.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Do it well?

Speaker 4 (01:24):
Now?

Speaker 5 (01:24):
We were talking abound right before he came on, and
we were having the discussion sort of the debate that's
been going on about Sean Payton and bow Knicks and
the issues with the offense. Where do you lean on
who needs to clean up their part of it more?
Some fans tend to be on Bo Nicks, some tip
fans tend to be on John Payton.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
What do you think?

Speaker 3 (01:45):
You know what I and I said this, and I
said this to you guys, and I'll say it to everybody.
I believe there's not a throw that bow Knicks can't
make because most people have judged quarterback based office pass abilities.
I don't think there's plays that we run that he can't,
you know, get us in the right place if he
had to check, and those types of things. Very smart guy,
heady guy, hard nos. I mean that's the way. Honestly,

(02:06):
he's more of a rugged quarterback. I really love he Honestly,
I love it because Jake Jake Plumber played that way.
Jake Plumber is as little as Jake went, really little,
but Jake was tough and Jake would fight, and that's
what Bo is. And so I think it's definitely gonna
come down to more play call versus always trying to
scheme things.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
I was at the bank just if your misigo, and.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
This guy recognized me when we started talking, and it
was one thing that I told him. I was like,
one thing is something about being accountable, and everybody's got
to be accountable individually, and then you bring it together.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
As a team.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
And we're making a lot of undisciplined mistakes, not just
on offense, on defense and special teams that are costing
us football games AFC football games that are gonna hurt
us down the line if we don't fix some starting
this week. I know this NFC game, but don't AFC
game another NC game. We have to win those games

(03:07):
if you want to have a chance in the postseason.

Speaker 4 (03:09):
Well here's why I want to talk to you about
being from a wire receiver tracking the ball on deep balls.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Last week we saw give up my secret. Well, yeah
you have to, I'll give it up.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
So Troy Franklin did a great job of tracking over
his shoulder one or bow Knick's throws. But there were
two long throws that could have kind of really blown
this game wide open.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Absolutely one of the mems and one to call the son.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
I know what the criticism is from a quarterback standpoint,
and Brian and I discussed it from a wide receiver standpoint.
What would you have coached those two receivers to do
and those two situations.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
I saw a guy post that and I said, there's
something I know about those plays that if they would
did these things, the chances of them being overthrown, they
still will have taglong. But if he can touch your fingertips,
you can catch it. But one thing I noticed that
they did. They had two steps and their arms were

(04:05):
already out. You're running with your arms out. You have
to run.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
Coach Hammerdinger, God rest his soul. Dingn taught me this.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Listen, here's the reason why I know this so and
it hurts me when I see you guys miss a
long pass. I was about to get cut from the
buckles because they said. The knock on me was I
wasn't fast enough to catch the deep ball. So he
took me out and we did this drill. And the
drill that we did was I would run and keep
pumping my arms. You can't turn your shoulder. If you

(04:35):
notice guys are opening their shoulder, you don't run a
front of your.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Desks with the shoulders open.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
You got to keep your shoulders square and you don't
let your arms shoot out until the very last second.
And if it's sixty inches from.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
The ground, that's when it goes out.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
They had their hands up high, and they were trying
to run with their arms out and not saying that
it is their fault that those passes should have been
on them because it was so wide open. You underthrow
that ball when they're that wide open. So a lot
of that, to me, is on the quarterback. But for
those receivers, any receiver. You want to know the secret

(05:10):
that kept me in the league, it was that I
wasn't as fast as some of these guys. But you
notice how hardly ever got overthrown because I knew this
little technique that I use every single time I'm running
a route. I never turned my shoulders. I would just
turn my head and the ball is eventually gonna come
into focus, but my arms are still pumping. I'm still
running this. My forty old dance down Hell was about

(05:31):
four five, So it's not the compared to these guys
right now, right, But I never got overthrown.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
How's that?

Speaker 3 (05:37):
It's technique? And this is the technique that these guys
need to practice because you don't just do it automatic.

Speaker 5 (05:41):
Is there something with the timing when it comes to
why these are not quite being completed? Because there was
other timing issues too, Like Lucas Croll ran a hitch
and he was trying to I mean, Boticks thought he
was gonna keep going on his route. It was a
third down and he ended up sort of stopping his route.
It seems like the timing is not quite there with
the receivers.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
Yeah, and and and that's that's a practice things.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
As a receiver, you got.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
To understand situations and sometimes I think we be missing
out on some situations. What you gotta for me? I've
always looked at it like this, and I believe every
player should do this. The quarterback has got enough to
worry about. One thing he shouldn't worry about is you.
He should know where you're gonna be because you know him.
Sometimes these guys, and I see this a lot in
the NFL. A lot of guys get caught up in

(06:26):
their ex'es and o's and mayor whether they're going to
get a check mark or X that they got it
right or wrong. Versus understanding football. You got to understand
down the distance. You got to understand how to sit
in the hole versus sliding.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
Do you slide? Do you run out? He said, man
is its own.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
You have to know before the quarterback knows, so that
he knows, well you're you're a safe throat for him
every single time he comes to you.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Is safe. Well, how do you make that actually work?

Speaker 4 (06:51):
Because hearing you explain it, it sounds really elementary.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
It's realistic. So you know about practice. You got to
do that in practice. You do that in film study.
We did it in film in practice every single day
of my career, especially when I.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
Had called Carl Dreil and Dinger when I had more Forte.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
He's just you just cussed me out when other guys
made me stay there and close.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
My guy.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
He used to cuss me out with Anthony Miller was
messed up. He cussed me out.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
But the other coaches I've had in the league and Dingering,
all those guys, they taught me how to be a technician.
And I know these guys in town, I know these
guys are fast, but somebody other than Carling's got to
catch footballs. It's like well, Colin didn't have catches last week,
so we're gonna get him a lot of catches this week.
But then all the other guys go away. That's not
gonna win you football games. There's no way Mim should

(07:39):
have one catching four yards. There's no way Franklin should
have two catches for eight yards. These guys got to
get the ball down the field. And I believe this
is it might be a stat and I might be
wrong for this. I think we throw the ball behind
the line of scrimmage two our receivers more than anybody
in the league.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
And to me, that's that's saying you don't trust your.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
Running game or your offense line is not good enough
to hold up for a three to five step drop
to get the ball down the field.

Speaker 5 (08:02):
That doesn't make sense to me, though, what you mean
because I feel like the offensive line is good or
or is that so?

Speaker 3 (08:08):
That's but if you notice some of the pressures that
he's having on some of these passes, even on some
of those overthrown passes, he's got people.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
In his face. Okay, so you think this is an
offensive line issue.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
You know what, you gotta sit down.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
You can't keep kicking back you gotta sit down to
give him just a split second.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
And because that kid can make those throws. Man, he
can make.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Those throws, some of those long ones, they were so
wide open.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
He just got to take some off of those. He
gotta know that.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
If they have to stop and castes and get tackled,
it ain't a bomb for a test down.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
So be it.

Speaker 5 (08:39):
Let me ask you this because we heard from Sean
Payton yesterday and he was asked about those overthrows and
his response was really interesting to me because he said, well,
it's better to be overthrown than to be underthrown and
potentially put in your position of the dB to make
a play on it.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
Okay, and with the case on those who plays, okay,
on those who plays there was no TV with then
ten all to those guys.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
That's right. So but think about that.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
But I don't.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
Here's the thing he shouldn't think about it. You know
why because as his receiver, I got your back. If
you throw the ball short calling Sortan going to get it.
Maam's going to get it. Franklin going to get That's
the mentality they gotta have. So bol if you put this,
if you trust me, when you let this football go
toward me.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
I got you.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
If it's short, I'm getting it or I'm getting p I.
But I don't just I don't get credit for p
i's I don't get stats to that. I need to
catch this football and if I have to come back.
You see guys come back to the ball, guy runs
into them. You get the penalty because what is the
dB doing. He's in a panic mode, his head is
run down.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
He's waiting on you to.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
Raise your hands and he gonna try to script the
ball and pol his hands up when you put your
hands up. That's why you shoot your hands late. Now
he can't do that. But on those particular plays that
that's not a valid argument because those guys will open
by at least ten yards each.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
But but there's something to be said.

Speaker 5 (09:55):
I think for Sean Payton to continue to promote that
Bonux doesn't make mistakes, like this is the guy that
doesn't take sacks.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Didn't turn the ball over.

Speaker 5 (10:02):
It's why we drafted you in the first round because
we wanted a guy in here that was the opposite
in so many ways of what we had with Russell Wilson.
So you're here to run my offense and to not
screw things up, and so then you wonder how much
of that enters into the way he plays.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
That's what I'm talking about, And you know.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
What, and that's the conversation that they're having, and Boe
is the only one who could probably answer that and
how coach is relating some things to him. Trust me, everything,
as they say, gets lost in translation. A lot of
times you're saying one thing, but the other person interprets
it a different way, and that translates to the field
as well. So there's got to be some clarity. I've

(10:41):
said this every year I've been on this show. You
got to have clarity when it comes to sports, or
especially high level sports like this. You got to have
clarity that when this guy walks out that huddle, he's
got to know exactly what his dues and dunts are
so he physically has the talent, the mindset and the
physical ability to do it. And I know bo has that.

(11:03):
And is it one of the coach pulls back on
the ring, Let the rings go, let him go out
there and play. And I think teams are saying, I
see this on some of the commentary when I'm listening,
you know Bo's gonna drop back if this guy ain't
over in front here, gonna take off, run in and
blah blah blah. You see people saying that. But if
you notice, there's reasons he's moving. He's not moving because
he needs because when it's time in the pocket is clean.

(11:24):
He sits there like a tree. He's standing there looking
like Tom Brady. He's just standing there. Tom ain't going nowhere.
If both was standing in that pocket, man and deliver
the throw. But I just believe up front, we gotta
show that up a little bit. Those edges are getting
a little tighter, in my opinion, and so you see
him sneaking up under the tackles, sliding outside the guards.
The guards are kind of firmed. The Senate got knocked
back a little bit this week, and those are some

(11:46):
ones that were in his face. That fleet flicker was
a crazy play to me on third and s very
long like that. Yeah, that was a crazy play that
would have worked. Should have worked.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
The pitchback wouldn't all that great, but hey, it worked right,
It should have worked.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
The thing is what I'm saying is that there's some
really subtle miscues with Bowl's footwork all those.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Things can be cleaned up.

Speaker 4 (12:12):
But what the Chargers were able to do because they
piggyback off of what the Titans did in week one
where the Colts did in week two, because when you
look what the Charges did, they were able to get pressure,
which is with four guys, you got five guys black
and four and for me you.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Got similar what you think.

Speaker 4 (12:32):
I think maybe sometimes the reason why boas getting what
people online are saying happy feet is because the pockety
pocket is being muddy.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
And when you say he's taken off, he's taken off
to extend to drop.

Speaker 4 (12:45):
If he doesn't take off, he's getting sets and that's
going to be a negative play.

Speaker 5 (12:49):
But he's also seemingly working into contact on that play.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
The third nineteen I think that was.

Speaker 5 (12:54):
The one in the contact.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
Can't there thinking about forty five yards just standing flat
with it. But couse, the pitch is not great. He
gets the pitch, the guy's open, he's just trying to
get it out. You see how high it was. He's
trying to give the guy a time to run under it,
but somebody's in his face.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
So the owner is not going to follow through.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
Properly because he had to step up to.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Let the ball go.

Speaker 4 (13:21):
But to Ryan's point, and we talked about it and
I got a video of it, there was a there
was a point where the pocket was starting to collapse
and the two tackles were doing a great job of Washington,
so it was somewhat of a clean pocket and Bow
steps up and he throws it at that particular moment,
He's got either Franklin or Mams.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
But he took a step too far.

Speaker 4 (13:40):
And this is what Ryan and I were talking about.
You're right on the back of your center. You can't
really step into that throw that makes it and that
took a little off the trajectory. I mean, the velocity
was there, but the trajectory was off because he overthrew Mams.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
No, like I say, a lot of those little things,
like you said, those things gotta get.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
It's based off clarity your lineman. They kind of.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
Have an idea where you are, but with both sometimes
you don't know where he is.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
So that's the problem that.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
You know what I'm saying, Because I'm a block to
protect my guys and they fight.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Don't trust me, they fight.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
I mean, we haven't had really any issues up front
with the with the with the effort and the heart
of those guys up front, and I think sometimes it's
just it's almost like you watch the line copy. They
watched the line copy. Okay, where's where's the kid gonna be, coach?
I need to know where he's gonna be so I
can make sure I give him that spot.

Speaker 4 (14:31):
But that's the that's the pro and the con that
you deal with when you have a mobile quarterback. If
you had just one of a staturesque quarterback Breeze, Brady
or Manny, they're gonna stay right there. As an offensive lineman,
you know where the guy is. But I mean, how
many times, if we were to really chart it this
season and last season, how many times bol have saved

(14:53):
the offensive line by scrambling, by moving into pocket And
it may not even be running down the field, but
he avoided a sack. Right, So you you living down
that hill because.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
That's who he is. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
I like the fact that we upfront show up as
best we can. If he moves, he moves because the
movement is on him. The movement is based on what
he feels not sometimes and plus you'll see people start
getting fingers on him and he'll dug about of that
stuff and he'll break some tackles and he's running for
his life. Man, but he's know what he's still doing.

(15:27):
He's still looking downfield, trying to figure out a where
to get the ball out of Okay, so how about this,
how about I think we need a short passing game.
That's what I think. That way, the ball is already gone.
It's a three step drop, three to five step drop.
You're in the gun. The ball is gone. Five Between
that five and twelve yard routes, we don't run any
of those.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
But now behind the line.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
Huh, I'm talking about five to twelve yards across the
glass scrimmage.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah. There really, there is really no middle game.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
I mean, I don't see us running slant rouse. I
don't see us runing underrouts under rouse, a five yard
inn route. I don't see us running regular en routes,
which is ten to twelve yard. I don't see us
running pivots.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
You gotta spread it out through to do that exactly.
I don't aunt. That's a whole nother argument with.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
Me as far as when you here's here's here's what
I saw. And you'll know this because his defense Dervin James,
to me, was the best football.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Player on the field. Like that dude or nothing. That
dude is like ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
Just watching him play and just seeing what he's done
over his career. Dervin Jay, I'm making sure Dervil James
tell me where he's gonna be. Dervin James ain't getting
the sack unless he come from deep. But when we're
in the tight splits, you let Dervin Jay get to
come in the box and he is still cover from
the box, you spread them out. So Dervin James gotta
gotta get out. You gotta get out in the box
or he gonna tell us you coming. I got one

(16:38):
on one downfield, I got my guys, I got.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
The three I mentioned earlier.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
Is anybody else any I mean, I don't even know
if we got tight ends. We only hear on tight
ends when they made We know, we only hear on
tight ends when they make a mistake. But but I mean,
I know those guys can catch. I've seen those guys
make plays when they had tight end weekend last last year.
They followed out right, so they still there. So tell me,
are you a fan of having more quick.

Speaker 4 (17:03):
Passes spreading him out, so boken identit asolutely. What if
the friend is coming. Absolutely a couple of boot legs
in there as well.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
You can't run bot leg when you had the gun
all the time. You gonna run bootleg and a gun.
And I tossed bootleg in because I am.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
Run the ball wide. I'm trying to project that because
being under so many to allow bow more opportunities.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
Because that means now, as a defense, when I see
your quarterback in the shotgun, we're thinking that's more like
seventy percent past three three percent run And if you're
going to keep throwing those little swing routes, you help
us out because we just have to run and chase.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
Yes, And that's what's from a difference to say we're
doing it out of a tight split every time.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
It's not. It's just thing. It's bad.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
And I and I and I mean this with no disrespect.
If I can tell when we're gonna do it, I
don't what's tape if the dollars if they if I
can tell, sitting on the couch eating some.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
Chimps up, sitting on the couch, Ryan.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
Yeah, I threw my couch away the other day. I
just got a chair in there right now. I'm ready, coy. No,
that's the difference. Who said we come pick up the couch.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
No, it was bad. I wouldn't those times couch it
was for a long time. It was bad.

Speaker 5 (18:21):
Yeah, But the way you were talking about the couches,
fans that shouldn't have a reason to be upset because
they sit on the couch.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
This is differently when a famous talk.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
But you know what, we all this.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
I'm vouncing for the fans because we care. It's hard
losing those.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Type games like that.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
Man, it's hard losing those those games by field.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
Going on Ryan two.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Weeks in a row in the AFC, when we've had
the ball and we well, we can wait and talk
about that. We've had the ball in the fourth Our
fourth quarter game has been not even existent.

Speaker 4 (18:50):
Three every the Broncos have scored three points over three
games in the fourth quarter. That's not finishing. I don't
care how you slice it. You look at all the
analytics you want to. The proof is in the putting.

Speaker 5 (19:03):
They also haven't trailed at any point in the fourth
quarter except at the end of the game until they lost.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
Yeah, that's and his The thing that means you you're
in the fourth quarter. With the league, you've had the
ball three sometimes four times in one quarter. You hardly
ever get the ball that manytimes, unless you're getting turnovers
on defense or they're scoring touchdowns and you get the
ball back. It's the only way you get the ball back, right,
And you mean to tell me we don't have the
offensive capability to put teams away. That's that's what I

(19:34):
lean on that. I know everybody loves our defense. I
love passing ten's just like everybody else. But I want
pass the ten on the bench. I don't want pass
the ten in the game. I don't want to read
about Riley Moss. And if you find out none of them,
I don't want to hear nothing about them.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
I want them on the sideline chair.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
Because we got to what we call four minute offense,
that we're gonna run this clock out, We're gonna score and.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
Ain't nothing you can do about it.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
Yes, some mentality, and I think, and I said this
last year, I'm gonna say it right now.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
I still don't.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
Believe we have an identity of This is what I
was telling the guy in the bank.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
I said one he said, man, your team y'all had
this this now.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
I said, you know we had I said, sir, we
had two plays, two running plays, and we had two
pass plays that we would run if we didn't care.
If everybody in the stadium new they couldn't stop them. See,
we don't have that on this team yet, Like two
run plays, Well, we're.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
Gonna line up, not no quarterback sneak, none of that mess,
all this touch push nothing.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
No, we ran fifteen fourteen, which is left right throughund
datas or any back because you see how many backs
we had, eighteen nineteen handoff those two plays that are
run plays.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Hello, high water, a flood, the.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
Rapture, whatever's supposed to happen today, all of that, this play,
whatever you name to take, all this stuff that was
in the Bible, We was gonna run those plays and
nobody can stop them. Three years, three years we ran
those plays and no one's we got stocked on those
plays one time in three years. And we had two

(21:06):
pass pays that we could run whatever we felt like it.
Because any man, myself and Shannon was always in the game.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
If House came in, there was just another weapon.

Speaker 5 (21:14):
He also had multiple Hall of Favors and.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Show what it is is a mentality.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Yes, sure, but also come on.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
Man, they had to come home famous without a mentality. Yes,
the mentality this would be great twenty.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
Four to seven.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
Take a small amount of plays and you focus and
you fine tune those plays.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
He's telling you ran him over and over and over
and over again. Because this thing. I don't care what
defense you're in.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
I don't care if the coach, if he coached called
it out loud and everybody knew. He holed up a
sign showing you where we were running. You couldn't stop
it because our mentality was I'm.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
Gonna kick your tail. It ain't not even go about it.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yeah, were you yelling at the big guy in the
bank like this?

Speaker 1 (21:58):
I was shouting out he was fired up. I was
fired up.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
I said, looking, man, we got the cool thing was?
The cool thing was Crystal. Chris always takes care of
me at the bank. Crystal and the other young lady
she's new. They were sitting there like I was like, man,
we're scaring them. Things like oh no, we know football.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
So they were man too. So just so y'all know
the girls at the bank of Man too.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
Right, You pulled this energy out of me, bro, I
appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
I need to get this off my chest.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
And people in the bank apparently.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
The bank was awesome.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
She were screaming. Security surrounded you know.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
White.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
You look at there's a white people there that arrested
me hopefully not hopefully not hopefully out.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
I got a good. Thank I ain't gonna say nothing.
I got a good good that's good. I need I
need them to answer something to my checking account.

Speaker 5 (22:48):
Uh yeah, well listen, I we don't have enough time
to unpack all the things you guys were wrong about
Shore Sanders, we said on the break.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
But I but I do what I ask you. I
did want to ask you about JK.

Speaker 5 (22:57):
Dobbins because he seems like right now the best player
on offense.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Why is he not more involved?

Speaker 3 (23:02):
You know what, the kid has done everything you ask
him to do. He's running ball. Well, I'm looking at
the avery seven point five yards of carry.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
We got to get more than eleven carries.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
My thing is the way you take pressure off of
ten is you get the ball to twenty seven. You
get the ball to twenty seven. I would like to
see personally, I would like to see Harvey get more carries.
But if two seven is run the ball like that.
You feed them, man, You just keep feeding them and
it opens up play action and stuff like that can
work when you have a running game. But I don't
think our offensive sets let us run keepers, because we

(23:34):
don't run the ball out of a quarterback under center,
running backs coming downhill, because we're always in this pistol.
I personally hate the pistol. That's just me because I
don't think it gives you enough weapons for the type
of for the type of quarterback that we have. We
need keepers, we need bootlegs, those types of things, and
we can't do that with those particular sets. That's exactly

(23:55):
what we saw last night if you watch the Baltimore
Ravens Detroit Lions game, and that's exactly what Greg Roman use.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
With Justin Herbert. He knows that he's a mobile quarterback.

Speaker 4 (24:08):
And Greg Roman has had multiple mobile quarterbacks in his
time as an overse, so he allows those guys to
embrace who they are.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
And to me, it's it's.

Speaker 4 (24:17):
Let's take the handcuffs and the training wheels and the
governor off of bowl, allow him to go out and
be a wild third bread.

Speaker 5 (24:25):
Oh is that what you think is going on, like,
do you think that Sean Payton has put the handcuffs
on him?

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Well, I'm just I'm just talking about it.

Speaker 4 (24:31):
From the play calling and the play design, that's what
it looks like to me. And and sometimes as a
player you have to find ways to overcome coaching. I
can do that from a dB standpoint, From a quarterback standpoint, that's.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
A little hard. It's hard. It's harder.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
You got to stay within the lines. It's kind of
like bowling with the with the with the with the
rails up. You can't sway outside the because everybody's not
on that same page when you go, when you go
kind of scrambling around doing your thing. It's hard to
do your thing like that unless it's by design. And
like I said, a lot of guys are so adamant
about being right. Well I ran my right route, but

(25:10):
you didn't play football. We needed an extra yard.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
We get over.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
We need to get open, we need to get we
need to move these sticks. And I've said this before.
Shannon Shawe told me, hey, man, ten and a half yards,
get ten and a half. He said, if you get
ten and a half, we go score every time. And
so sometimes I think some of the situation, we're catching
passes so short of the sticks. So that here's one
thing like with niggas can kind of lude to what

(25:33):
Nick saying. The play design shouldn't even been that way
so that you can be short of sticks. There's no
way I'm gonna be short sticks. But we gotta And
I heard coach say this, and he said we were
in a lot of third and longs.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
Our third downs.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
Were third and eleven plus, right, you know, why look
at our first down?

Speaker 1 (25:50):
Our first down was terrible. Why do you fix that
first down? First?

Speaker 3 (25:53):
First down is a first down, is definitely this is
when you dial up plays that you know you can run.
First down is not a tech. But to me, first
down is not one of those downs where you take chances.
I know some people think, oh, take chances on first down. No,
I want to get the second and medium.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Now I can.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
Now I can do some stuff because I get the
second and six. I just still run the ball thirty six.
It ain't ideal, but I can still do it. But
it's hard to run the ball third and eleven.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
So some of your strongest plays.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Some of my strongest got your plays.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
I'm gonna run no matter what defense you're in, I'm
gonna spread you out. I'm gonna make sure Derwin James
is back, or Derwin James in the box. I got
one on one. I'm throwing this quick slant. That slant
gonna get me seven to ten yards on first down.
Oh it's second and one. Now I'm doing these bombs. Now,
I'm trying these reverses. Now, I'm trying all this other
stuff because my likelihood of a first down goes up

(26:46):
tremendously if my first down gets better.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
I don't know who keeps the stats.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
Look up the stats of what we are on first down,
and I guarantee you it correlates identical. Almost we get
nothing on first, we guarantee to get nothing on third.

Speaker 5 (26:58):
Well, I mean, yesterday Walter Football and it's his own
measurement or whatever whatever's on staff, but the Broncs were
dead last and success rate on first down like as
far as his so it said, any thing or whatever
he's he's.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Tying into that, but you know, dead last in the NFL.

Speaker 5 (27:12):
The Colts remarkable are number one, actually, but I would
I think I would translate to why we're seeing so
much success for them? But they they feed the running
back who's playing at a very high level in Jonathan Taylor.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
Uh, they look at the route concept.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
That's right, they're spreading it out. Daniel Jones balls out
of his hands once he hits the.

Speaker 4 (27:27):
Back foot, even when he's in the shotgut Ball's ball's
gone right now.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
Like I said, year his six years in New York
with that trash def off his line, they head.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
You know what, it taught him to get rid of
his football. He did it excellent against us. At the ball.
We had good coverage, but the ball.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
Placement was excellent, and I have to give him credit
for that whole placement.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
But here's here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
If we're dead last on first down, it's hard to
be good on third.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
It's hard.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
You you, it's hard to be on third down in
his league because these guys good.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
And how many plays do you have as an often
coordinator on your waffle house menu that can pick up
third and eleven third and nineteen third and twenty.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
Seven times with third and long A lot?

Speaker 3 (28:13):
Yes, And it's only so many plays and so many
designs that like Nick saying.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
You're gonna have on the shoot, you know what, I
got to get better.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
At first down, I'm lined up my quarterbacks under center.
I got my two receivers, two tights. I might have
either my full back or slop back or age back,
and I'm running the ball downhill to kick me two
or three.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
On first down.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
The kid is averaging six seven yards to carry just
from of the ones he's breaking. But he's consistently getting
you three to four pop.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
But why are we not running on first down? See
on first down what I see?

Speaker 3 (28:46):
And I could be wrong because I don't watch everything
to this entire day like that. But on first down
is when we try our got you plays, the kind
of scheme plays, try the little this is what we
drew up in the lab type thing for this.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
We try those on first down.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
So now it's second to ten or it's a quarterback
trips or the running back gets tripped up nine, second
and twelve.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
And you know what we usually do on second down?
We run the ball.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Check check the stats on what percentage of.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Time we were running on second down?

Speaker 3 (29:16):
Why we running on second when the second and twelve
then we get stopped.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
And they played on our side of the ball.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
He said, Therefore against our five.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
They won those dudes were hunting.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
And you think Cincinnati got a defensive line, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
The Eagles got a defensive line, that's crazy. The Chiefs
got a defensive line. That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
We gotta fix that first down like this week, we
gotta fix it.

Speaker 5 (29:40):
I hope they do that because I'm worried about your
blood pressure just a little bit. O.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
Blood press is fine, man, every wreet game, my blood
press is good.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Sean's let's take care of Rod.

Speaker 5 (29:49):
Let's win this week, friends, burn all brights are doing
the Madden go for it on fourth and one from
your on twenty nine.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Do it Madden, Man, it's just mad.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
We rip it being up too. We put Ben in it.

Speaker 5 (30:06):
You know.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
For what twenty The math is irrefutable.

Speaker 4 (30:13):
You cost yourself thirty percent.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
How many mathemats is you size? You wanted the ball?

Speaker 2 (30:20):
What happened?

Speaker 1 (30:21):
What they putted the ball?

Speaker 2 (30:22):
What happened?

Speaker 1 (30:23):
We were allowing on our defense? We lost. They putted
the ball like you guys want.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
They ain't lay lost. We had the ball in four quarter?
How many times that we didn't score?

Speaker 1 (30:32):
What about those?

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Well, that was one of the possessions you could have scored.
You could have gone for that.

Speaker 4 (30:36):
Hand, Ben, we already might have played man football.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
The life situations a thing. I can tell you this.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
You're gonna be the highest played coach ever or the
shortest tenured coach ever.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
That's all, okay, there's no in between.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
You get that right now and in the way the
world is in sports now, you gotta win immediately or you.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
Out of it. Put me in.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
I promise you, I'll sewn. You only make twenty million
a year. They got me in thirty now, Dan gal
Will probably would have gone for it.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Dan, you know what you know what that is is trust?
Trust this guy. No, I'm saying Dan Campbell. Trust.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
I believe trust is the ultimate, the ultimate equalizer, and
sports is trust when you get when you play with
guys and you play four teams that had the best trust,
they win more games. Why do you think I went
on that earlier about we could call plays and call
him out loud and because we trusted each other and
we knew every man down the line is gonna get
his job done.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
I trusted I trust him at the half yard.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
You trust you with the half yard? I trust would
push no nd jk ont a two blasting between the
in between the big gaps.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
Yeah whatever, Okay, learn what you're saying after the fact.
Don't it make sense after the fact.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
But I'm screaming at the time. I mean he was there.
I was screaming it at the time.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
You scram that when you ain't got a boss that
you gotta ask you after.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
You lose it. You're saying the same thing. The mass
the massive.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
Jacksques different things. You check, the checks make you do
different things. You get paid, then you would be.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
When you ain't getting.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
Paid about being a maverick comes to being right, you
aren't right, I.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Am because anybody running, anybody going forward on fourth down and.

Speaker 5 (32:25):
Half a quarter left, very very quickly, here, very quickly.
The Broncos true ball's got the ball back again.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Even after that decision, exactly did get the ball back.

Speaker 5 (32:33):
They had a chance to win the game fall on office,
even after deciding to punt the ball there.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Okay, that's all I had to say.

Speaker 5 (32:41):
They didn't need that though they get the fourth they don't.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
You completed that past.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
The corley raised your sol field chance to win. Okay,
what about Sixtyso.

Speaker 5 (32:57):
Lose it, you know you cost your You went from
wins to fifty one.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
I don't know too many math guys that played for
football play protect us and plass.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
You don't seem to do plenty five Alex Smith.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
I'm a smart person. I love math too. But you
know what, I didn't take no map on the football filce.
I'm just telling you yards that's what I know.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
Okay, Nick, this was fun.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
Thank you. It was fun.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
It was fun. Great, great job.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
I love watching YouTube fight man, so it's hilarious.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (33:29):
I went on to fight, yeah, because that would require
somebody to be right and one wrong.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Yes, which is every time I come here, y'all fight.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
And y'all right, we know who we're talking about coming
two people wrong?

Speaker 1 (33:40):
What are you talking about? The one has planner on
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