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Speaker 1 (00:00):
A bright five, six six, Llion zeros or Kiwi common
Spirit heal text line Ben, We'll be with you Broncos
Country each night, this evening walking up to the Rockies.
A tough night for the Rockies, but cal Rowley continues
to be awesome. Sixty home runs, It's pretty remarkable to
see that. And Gray was telling me earlier, there's like
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four guys right now, I think four guys that had
fifty plus home runs.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Yeah, it's all I happened twice before.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
I remember pretty remarkable ninety eight and was at the
Yellow Row two well one, okay, yeah, there was ninety eight. Yeah,
I remember ninety eight, oh one, I just could remember
what year the other one was, yeah, two and one.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
And then Suarez by the way, I think he's he's
closing it on fifty as well up there with Seattle.
So yeah, pretty remarkable. I mean it's it's a different time.
I mean, certainly back in ninety eight, we know why
there was over fifty home runs. The balls that are juiced,
not it, right, A little bit different deal, you know whatever, Yeah,
a different deal. Yeah, I think show hey had another
one today. It's fifty fourth home run today, So he's
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on a roll. Aaron Judge continues to be great and yeah,
cal Rally the big dumper?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
What a nick? Then? What an the greatest? Yeah? So
see what happens with the Rockies?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
And I don't know, man, It's so if I was
watching a breakdown today on the Pirates and they're talking
about all of their pitching staff and they have like
one of the better pitching staffs in baseball.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
We'll get back to the Broncos a second, but.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
This was a breakdown where they're saying, listen, there are
a few hitters away from being a contender. You know,
Pittsburgh Pirates are that kind of team where you feel
like you could tip the scales in your favor if
you just had better offense. For the Rockies, unfortunately, I
don't even know where you start. I mean, yeah, the
pitching staff needs to be better, but it's like it's
so far away that I don't know if you're a
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couple of arms away from salvaging. And then and then
you go to the hitters, because as you know, like
this season, your run differential is minus four to twelve,
The next closest team is minus two to four, and
that's the Washington Nationals. So like more than doubled up
in your run differential, you have five hundred and eighty
nine runs scored. The Dodgers, just by comparison, who are
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number one in the NL West, have eight hundred and eleven.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah, so so it's not just.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
The pitching, right, So the pitching, I mean, yeah, you
given up over one thousand runs.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Over one thousand runs.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
There isn't a single team within your hemisphere, like, not
even to nine hundred. There isn't a team in baseball
has given up even nine hundred runs and you can
give it an over over one thousands. So the pitching
is one thing, but your office isn't doing its part either.
So I don't exactly know where to start here, and
that that I think is a bit of the problem
here because you go into next year and of course
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we're gonna be looking forward to seeing if they can
have some of this young talent emerge.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
But the reality is is you just have no idea.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Yeah, and how many guys do you even have that
are hit above two fifty you know?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
This year?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
I mean it's it's just it's it's a combination things.
It's not just that you're You're pitching is bad. You
don't have but what two guys that hit for power?
You know, you don't have people that are getting on base.
It's it's it's just bad across the board. I don't
really know what else to say at this point. I mean,
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you need everything, you need everything.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
You know, you've got one or.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Two players that you can that you can build around,
you know. I mean obviously you got Hunter Goodman that
you can build around, but I mean beyond that, like
what else, what else you got?
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (03:40):
And the Dodgers, by the way, as far as run differential,
they're plus one thirty four. Yeah, so you're talking about
it almost a five hundred and fifty point swing between
the two these two teams. It's a tough division. It's
always going to be a tough division. And you're your
odds are probably in the favor of trying to sneak
it as a wild card.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Anyways, think we're realistic here.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I don't think anybody toe's the banner of this is
our season to win the NL West like that. That
doesn't happen very often. In fact, it's never happened for
the Rockies, like in their entire history. But I was saying, like,
we don't come into it, Rockies fans don't come into
any season with this. Let's win the NL West this year.
We have a team that's going to contend with the Dodgers.
You hope you can be better. You hope you can
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be maybe the Arizona Diamondbacks a couple of years ago
where you got into the wild Card and you worked
your way all the way to the World Series and
youn't win. But that's what that's what's on the table.
But that's a possibility once you get into the dance.
But here, yeah, yeah, I mean the Dodgers of ninety
wins with a handful to go right, and I mean
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they probably in some ways underachieved because there should be
one hundred win team.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
But ninety wins is pretty good.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
You have forty three, So it's forty three you're about
you're about five hundred and fifty points different on your runs,
different on your differential.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Yeah, I mean, like you said, you got a few
that you can build around here. You got uh, you
got Goodman, you got Moniac. Yeah, you know, Freeman's all right.
Blame Krim has shown some some flashes here that might
be something. But you know, you gotta you don't have
to figure out beyond that. I mean, at least Krim
gives you something at first base after the totalest thing
going to work out.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
You know, you just you.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Gotta figure it out because you've got You've got guys that
were equally bad that you would you were counting on
totally was one of them.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I'm adoor, oh my god bad. I mean, if you can't.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Hit, you can't get on base, you can't score runs,
it doesn't matter at the end of the day. And
you're a very hitter friendly ballpark a large portion of
the season. That's that's without getting into the pitching portion
of it, right. You know, you've you've had a couple
of guys five looked all right this year. Uh, you
know Hergett looked uh looked all right this year that
you don't really have a ton of pitching talent.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
You know, this is just sitting there like all right, this
is the guy.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Uh, and the guys that you have invested in over
the years have not looked all that great. Kyle Friedland
is just you know, it's kind of just a guy.
You'd be a back end of the rotation guy anywhere else. Uh,
Marquez is not you know, is not a viable starter
at the major league baseball level for anybody else.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
So I guess the mindset would be if.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
You do say when I say clean house, I mean
as in, you go in a new direction at GM
and manager at this point, right And I don't know
if they're gonna do that, but let's.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Just say they do.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Well, then that mindset or that philosophical approach to building
a roster might take another several years decade.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
I mean, it's baseball. It takes a long time in baseball, yes,
And so that's that's part of the thing. If you've
got to create a radical shift, you've got to realize
that you're either going to have to spend a ton
of money while you're developing all this stuff down there
in the for free agency, while you're developing stuff in
the minor start.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
It's going to take you a decade to get there.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
So I mean that's the question, right for Rockies fans
like that want real change, okay, and don't hit me
with the ownership because that's not going to happen. So
you want real change, you want change at GM, you
want change in coaching. But then understand it's like turning
the Titanic here, it's going to take some time to
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let that change seep in to the organization. So do
you want the team to stay the course and hope
that things start to turn around because you've been investing
in some of this young talent over the course of
several years and decades, or do you make a dramatic
shift and then understand that that might take some time.
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And I don't know if what Rockies fans really know
what they want at that point. They just want to
be better, and so there isn't like a There isn't
a quick fix A and the fix that you probably
have to do doesn't necessarily guarantee anything anyways, you know.
So maybe that's why Dick Monford gets here every single year.
It's like, well, I could fire.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
People or change things, but also.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
We've been doing this for a really long time and
understand that that's the sequence of maybe not on a rebuild,
but a retool doesn't sound appetizing either.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Yeah, I think, well, I don't think you worry about
what the fans want. I think you've tried to figure
out how to get winning baseball, and you know, and
that'll take care of itself if you if you build it,
they'll come right. So I think you've got enough fans
showing up at the stadium right now. It's not like
the Tropper or something where you've got five hundred people
showing up every night. You've at least got people showing up,
so you can keep the cash flow going. But my
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suggestion would be that that you go all in on
we're rebuilding this thing that buys you times.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
We have a new vision. We're rebuilding this thing form
the bottom.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
It's going to take a vok for for some of
these young guys to develop, and if you if you
go that route, that'll buy you time with lowered expectations
and you can take some of the pressure off whoever's
going to be the new manager or whoever's going to
be doing this stuff and these guys that are coming
up to get to the point that they need to.
We've seen teams do it. I mean the Astros gut
it and built it for the ground up. We've seen
teams do it. You just have to have a consistent,
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unified vision and the ability to go out there and
get the right players and then not trade those players
away for nothing, you know, once they once they do hit.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
So Rocky's back in action tonight seven o'clock and we'll
see what they wound up with the season and the action,
and then find out after the afters all said and done,
what direction they're ultimately get through their actions, they're gonna
tell us, yeah, a lot of what they think of
their team.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Yeah, I mean yeah, you know, for me, I mean,
there's a couple of fan favorites. Maybe you keep around
for a season, but the reality is, you need to
make room for the young guys. You need to you
need to build those things. Crap it, build it from
the ground up. You got two or three guys here
on the off on the you know, on the offensive sides,
you can build a Rod Goodman's the centerpiece. Money act
looks like he's he's certainly capable of playing at this level.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
And then you go from there.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
If Krim is gonna be your your Patuona first, okay,
you know you need to find another two or three players.
Though you got you gotta find another two or three
guys there that are at a real deal and build
around those five.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
All right, let's talk about the Broncos versus the Bengals
a little bit, and I want to get your thoughts
on the Bengals, and you you hit us with some
information some intel last night in the Bengals. But here's
Sean Payton talking about the Bengals offense and how different
they are with a backup quarterback and maybe and then
the question was actually framed interestingly because it was do
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you play Jamar Chase and t Higgins the same way
knowing it's a backup quarterback throwing to him?
Speaker 4 (10:08):
There's a stretch where when Joe was injured what a
couple of years ago, where man, this quarterback is accurate
in rhythm, you know all those things, and first down
is important if you allow him to get going. They've
won a lot of games and played well with him,
So we absolutely do. Because it's not like the backup
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is a different type of player. He's a pocket passer,
he's a you know what I mean. It'd be different
if if who's playing now is all of a sudden
a guy that you know, scrambles run, we would defend
the offense because the offense really hadn't changed.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Okay, I think that's what he has to say. It's
the right thing to say.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Nobody's buying that you're going to be seeing the same
type of quarterback with Jake browning versus I mean, you're
just not with Joe. I mean it's like that's not
a thing. So for a moment, you appreciate it. He
says that publicly because that's what he has to say.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
What do you think.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
I don't think that that's I don't think you're going
to defend him the same way.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Joe Burrow does have legs and can can move around.
Jake Brown is not really that guy the offense.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
I mean, he's right in the sense you defend the
offense because the offense stays the same and it does,
you know, as as far as that part.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Of it goes.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
But you know, at the end of the day, Jake
Brown doesn't have the strongest arm in the world. I
think you I think there's ways to play that versus
Joe Burrow, who will challenge ever blade of grass. You know.
I think Jake's got a bit of a wind up
in his release. He kind of has to because he
doesn't have that kind of arm strength, and he'll farrow
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interceptions where Joe's pretty safe with the ball. So there's
gonna be opportunities to bake bake them into turnovers, and
I think you you change up the way you do
it a little bit. You want to get pressure with
your front five, and then you want to kind of
bait him a little bit. You'll show, you know, too
high and rotate to you know, rotate to one robber
and stuff like that. You're gonna there's gonna be a
lot of back end rotations to try to confuse him.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
I mean, he's right about one thing.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Jake Browning a couple of years ago was relatively serviceable
for this offense. I mean, I don't know about like
whether people thought he was a good quarterback. I mean,
I'm not gonna sit here and try to defend that,
but in nine games he had a seventy point four
completion rate, passed for almost two thousand yards, twelve touchdowns,
and seven interceptions. I mean, if if you're talking about
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like a backup quarterback, I mean you're not Joe Burrow.
But the team won some games with Jake Browning is
starting a quarterback. The offense didn't fall off a cliff
with him. So I see why why Sean would say
something like that, Because you do have to say like that.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
But then you watched this game against Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
And even the game before that where he threw three
interceptions again just Jacksonville.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
I don't know if he's regressed.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
I don't even know if that's a thing necessarily for
a quarterback who doesn't play to regress, but that's what
it felt like, honestly watching him play these last two games.
I didn't see the guy that had nearly as much
confidence as I saw two years ago when he was
filling in for Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
You know, you know why, because he didn't have to
you know, what he had then and that he doesn't
have now. Prime Joe Mixon. Joe Mixon ran for over
a thousand yards a year head had like to take
ten touchdowns, and it was actively the pass game.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
So I don't have a.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Back that they don't have Joe Mixon back there right now,
and they don't have a commitment to anybody back there,
and they're putting it all on Jake Browning. And that's
the reason that he's what three touchdowns five picks this year.
I think something like that. You know, that's part of
if you can see it, they can see it. In
the offense, there's people can tee off on Jake Browning
and and that's the easiest way to get him into
his most negative space because there's no run game there.
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They're just none. Chase Brown's average of like to a carry,
they're they're just not They're not capable of running football.
Haven't been capable running the football. Wich is why it
was such a shock to me. Uh, it was some
of the conversations that I had.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah, Joe Mixon had over one thousand yards rushing on
the season, think rushing touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yeah, I think he had another like four hundred yards
of the air too.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
And he had three hundred and seventy six catching fifty
two receptions.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
There you go, fifty.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Receptions, that's the that's the piece that's missing. And three
touchdowns they had because I think it was Tyler Boyd
not t Higgins back then, or that's correct, but Jamar Chase, well,
they had t Higgins, they had they mean, Boyd was
the guy they only tigins for twelve games, right, he
had forty two catches for six fifty six. Tyler Boyd
played the whole season, right, sixty seven for six sixty seven,
and then the Jamar had one hundred reception. Yeah, he was,
he was the guy, but it was you know, they're
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missing Tyler Boyd and Joe Mixon. Uh And I don't
think they're missing Boyd because Higgins has become, you know,
kind of the other guy and Yosha Mitch is what
he is. But they're missing mix and they don't have
a running back that people have to account for. And
when you don't have that, when you when you don't
have to pay attention to that, you can just tee off.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
And that's that's, frankly, what teams are doing, and they're
really having a hard time getting anything with the run
game going.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
That's that's the probably, which is why again, why a
conversation I had was shocking.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah, Sotte, that because you told us at the very
end of the show yesterday.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Yeah, I'll talked to somebody that's on the coaching staff
are in Cincinnati that I've had a good relationship with
for a number of years, and you know, they seem
to think and it's just one of those off the
record conversations. This isn't something where they're just joshing or
whatever else, Like they're giving me the loawdown of what
they really think and for whatever reason, this coach seemed
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to believe they've identified something that was going allowing to
run the football against the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
And I'm like, I was like, you pretty sure.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
If you watch the specifics because I didn't want to
be you know, you don't want to be that guy.
But like in that, in that conversation, like that really
cast like you guys have been unable to get it
going so far, and the Broncos aren't bad.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Against the run by any by any stretch. Joe Taylor
would disagree. The only thing that I.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Would say is that one comments that was made was
that the Broncos had the lightest defense in the NFL,
So I I don't know, you know, I don't know
what they've got playing, and I don't know if this
was just besing, but normally I have truthful conversations with
this with this coach, and that's how I knew no
offense was going to you know, the Bengals.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
For you with there all the co.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
It just seems almost delusional to me, based on what
I've looked at for the out of the Bengals this year,
that they would be suggesting that they're going to run
Buck wild on the Broncos or whatever, not that he
didn't use those exact words, but they see, you know,
he definitely pointed out there's something they've identified, they feel
like they're going to be successful with the ground game
and get that opened up.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Well, I don't think either of us would make the
argument against the linebackers or something to targets like so
Chase Brown catching passes out of the backfield, I think
is going to be something they can do.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Have the tight end position to do that as well.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
I mean that that to me, that's yeah, I get
that that this was like specifically referencing the ground game,
and I just I'm like, I don't, I don't know
what you're talking about here, because I've looked at this
and it's not you're up against the defense, the other
defense that plays the same style as you were up
against last week in a lot of ways, and I
don't you couldn't get anything going against the Soda. Yeah,
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they really struggled, men. That's a just watching the before.
I even like looked at the stats after the game.
It was a miserable rushing attack. I mean, smart VP
Ryan ended up with.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
But this is like at the end of the game
when he's finally getting some traction with four carries, but
you had Chase Brown ten carries or three yards.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Yeah, like he couldn't get anything going. So that's why
I'm like, you know, is there just some something you
saw on tape that you guys weren't doing, because I
don't know what you're seeing against the Bride, you know.
I mean, Jonathan Taylor got it going, but that was
because they kept hammering the short stuff, and so you
had to kind of change the way you were defending
things that opened up the run game.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
I'm a little I'm a little perplexed by that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
So anyway, I'm not gonna mention who that coach is,
but they're currently on the staff there and they're in
a prominent position and so well.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
For argument's sake, though, if if for some reason the
Bengals are able to discover their ground game, because we
said the same thing about the Chargers, we said the
Chargers were struggling to run the box at the time
before that game they really had and of course at
the end of it they ended up with one hundred
and six rushing yards, which is better than anything their
season of Marion Hampton in nineteen carries for seventy yards.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
And there may be something to the Broncos being very
light on defense. I mean, our nose tackle is about
the size of most people's defensive ends. You know, Djason
Malcolm Roach. Yeah, yeah, the Malcolm Roach things might be
secretly something that we're missing on this defensive engine. But
I love dj don't get me wrong, But he's really
at his best more as a one to three tech
than a true zero, and so that maybe there's something
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to that.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
But even then, let's just again, I'll roll with that.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Jake Browning's turning the ball over a ton like you're
not going to be able to hide that.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Well, you can't tire of a game, right, But I
mean they're hoping I guess that this is this is
me speculating, but they're hoping. I guess that that takes
some of the pressure dials the pressure down a little bit,
that allows for them to do some other things.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
But you know, yeah, I mean they had he had
two pick six his last game. I was like, Jake
Browning or Jameis Winston.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
The Lord yeah, delivered me from Yeah, I don't know, well,
I mean he had one pick six and then no,
a fan fumbled.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yeah, that one is still at Rogers.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Ye had two interceptions though, And I mean I know
I'm better than this. Like I'm just praying for the
Lord to deliver me from pick sixes. He knows he's
better than this. Yeah, I mean they did run the ball.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Let me see last year because I remember, I remember
between Chase Brown and Joe Burrow last year, they did
have some success on the ground, but it still wasn't
like great. I mean the Chase Brown ended up with
sixty seven rushing yards on twenty carries. Yeah, and just
Joe Burrowd four for twenty five. So like they didn't Yeah,
they didn't run all over the Bronx and Jake Brown
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and can Jake Browning. I mean he's got a little
speed to him. I mean he's like a four to
seven forty guy.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Yeah, maybe he opened something up with some early RPO
looks or something and try to I don't know, I
don't know. I just know that in saying that, I
was like, this seems odd.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Okay, all right, we'll continue to react to that.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
That's interesting information, certainly the way the Broncos defense is
because that that feels like an opportunity not only for
the offense you get on track we talked about earlier
in the show, but the defense as well. I mean
that this should be an opportunity for the Broncos defense
to tee off and gain some more confidence. They're doing
great in the sack department. They're I mean, the numbers
are overall positive for the Broncos, but you start to
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see things take away, like they're rushing yards per game
is twenty first, they are eighteenth against the pass, sixteenth
in a lot more ben don't break this year than
they have been in previous years. And I want to
talk about that more when we come back. We'll get
to that next. Michael McDonald, Phil Collins, who both would
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you take?
Speaker 3 (20:41):
No?
Speaker 2 (20:41):
No, no, no yet one or the other?
Speaker 3 (20:43):
No, I don't, Yes you do if you the gun
and I'm taking both.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Called I have a one, but not for me, all right,
So thank you Grant.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
From umping back to that, I choose like that, why
is this defense so much bend don't break?
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Why why are we seeing that?
Speaker 3 (21:05):
I don't know the specific why from the Broncos side
of things, but I will say that you know, the
league has made a shift toward that philosophically, it's part
of the reason you've seen quarterback numbers coming down a
lot of too high C four, C six, you know,
Fangio type stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Uh. In terms of what people are doing.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
You know, the Broncos are still very heavily a C.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
One, C three team, but.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
It's a lot more keeping it in front of you
than it than it has been you know traditionally. I
don't you know, I don't know the answer to that.
I really don't. What I will say is it's, you know,
it's it's an effective style of defense. Uh. And certainly
when they get when they bog people down in the
red zone, they you know, they're very effective. I think
that Broncos have been defense has been up against.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
The number two in the NFL right now, eleven trips.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Down there and allowed with three three of men.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
So I mean that's you know, that's that's pretty good.
Part of the reason that I talked about on that,
you know, and not to go back and be labor
this point, but part of the.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Reason I talked about going forward to that fourth from
one inside the twenty nine is how good.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
The red zone defense has been.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
So you know, I don't I mean, I don't know philosophically,
if they've just identified something that they Okay, this is
we need to shift a little bit more of this
or do a little bit more of that. But them
in Minnesota are pretty much the only two teams in
the league that are true man teams. Even though the
Broncos have adopted sort of a bend don't break that,
Minnesota has not, do you think, And of course the
Broncos watch everything as you should.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
So the most most recent team that played the Bengals
was the Vikings, and we have Brian Flores. So what
do you think vance Joseph learned from Brian Flores in
the way that they attacked the Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Well, I mean, you know Flores and what they do
is a little bit different Flores. There's a little closer
to well, I guess, I guess Zimmer was up there
for a while. It's a little closer maybe maybe of
that stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Where you gaps and then you're rotating out into different looks.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
For for for Flores, everything is about simulated pressure and
then I'm rotating to a different look. We're still brilliant heat,
but but we're showing you all heat and then dropping
guys or doing different things. The Broncos don't necessarily do
that as much. You know, the Broncos pretty much have
a you know, almost a cover one base, and you
know it just kind of show you that look and
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then you know, they show you one look and they're
gonna do different things out of it. The Vikings show
you a bunch of different looks and do a lot
of the same things out of it.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
So it's two opposite ends.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
To achieve the same result, you know, you know, kind
of philosophical.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I mean, maybe Browning maybe his clock.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Is a little sped up because he's played against the
you know, a fast defense like that in the previous week,
so maybe he's a little bit readier, more ready for
that kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Readier is not a word, but you know, uh, neither
is zero regardless.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
But yeah, Actually brim Webster came out and corrected me
on that one.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
So I felt like an idiot.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
The way that Jennifer Gardner must felt with the snook
on Conan.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
You know what I'm talking about. It's like a popular meme.
You're looking at me like I'm sane. I don't know
what you're talking about. When Dracona O'Brien was like, hey,
he snuck right past her. And he's like, snuck is
not a word, Conan or whatever, and then Conan broke
out a dictionary. It was like the past tense of
you know there.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Yeah, And she I thought you were making some kind
of uh because she was like you at Harvard you
should know this.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
And he was like, oh, I thought you were making
some kind of Jersey short reference. No, no, no, not snooky.
That's uh.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Anyway, I know, I don't think there's anything to I mean,
you know, he played against a fast paced Put's heavy
defense before it plays a lot of man. I mean
maybe because you got those reps last week, I got
to help you out a little bit.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
But you know, but I gotta imagine again you're trying
to sort of confused. But that's that's what the Vikings do.
I mean, they do that to everybody, whether it's Jake Browning, anybody.
This is Brian Flores does what he does, and that's that.
Vikings defense has been really good as a results of it.
Vance Joseph's defense with Broncos has been very good too,
a little bit different to simulated pressures, but they still
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kind of do some of those similar things.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
But the one.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Thing that you can appreciate is the athleticism that the
Broncos bring. Like they win with a lot of athleticisms,
especially on the edges, and so that's where especially this
Bengals offensive line is really struggling.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
That's where the matchup for me is just like, Okay.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
What could possibly be the Bengals response to that other
than to run it? Like oh wow, I can't believe
we kept that, Like Donald, Yeah, so what could be
your response with Nick Benito, Jonathan Cooper and jonah Elle.
I mean, there isn't there isn't a solution there for
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what the Bengals would like to be able to do,
at least in pass pro.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
I mean, well, the Bengals are getting Dalton Eisner back
for this game, are getting him for this game since
they signed this they could get him for this game.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
So that's something you might not have no Phantom.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Yeah, the fans really like a third tight end honestly
in that group like Sample and Kasaki really are you
know the first two they do like to use fant
for for different things and they love that rotation.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
But it's you know, he's really the third guy there.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
I mean, I don't know based on what I'm looking at,
and if I had to guess, and again this would
just be a guess, is that they look at getting
getting Riser back and that's going to help. You know,
Mims the tackle that they have on the right side,
and he's a bit of a mauler. They've got Cody Ford,
you know as well back there. He could be something
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where you're looking at maybe running duo, you know, combo
block type stuff because of the you know, lack of
size along the defensive line. Is a line onless is
but a lack of size along the defensive line for
the for the Broncos front, and maybe that's what you're
going to do is try to double them up. Uh
maybe you you're a team that doesn't really have a
full back, but maybe you're maybe you're trying a little
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something with with putting somebody back there and getting some
some stuff like that where if you run some duo
and then have a fullback pop free to take the
linebacker at the next level, that pops your running back.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
I don't know, that's just speculation on my part.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
So you'd have to find one of the tight ends
that could work as an h back, because that's not
really Sampler Guseki's thing.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
The question coming in on the Kwa Kawa Spirit Health
text line five six six nine zero.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Any word on when Roach may return.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
I mean he's got the short term I are, so
it's got to be at least through this week.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Yeah, I think it's after London. Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
I think I think that's the that's the goal. If
he's ready soon or so be it. But I think
after I think the game back after London, which is
I think the Giants.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
How much growth can a backup quarterback experience between their
first start and their second start.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
I imagine it's like drinking from a fire hose of information.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Well, see, that's the weird thing is so this isn't
obviously his second career start.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
I mean Jake Prown got.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
I think to his point of or not sorry, to
their point, whoever the texture is. To their point, it's
more about from in season in this season, because he
threw three interceptions but found a way to win against
jack But I think it's also a flawed Jacksonville team.
And then you played against the Minnesota Vikings and that
did look like he was drinking through a fire host
for most of that game.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
He was really struggling in there.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
And then yeah, you got to this game on the
road again in Denver in prime time. I don't think
there's going to be a significant difference in what his
I guess ability to process information looks like.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
That's I mean, I don't.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
I think you are who you are at that point,
and it's really about, Okay, what's the game plan. We
can try to take some of this off your plate
and not look like it's overwhelming you.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Yeah, you know, the only positive I can say from
playing those two back to back is again like at
least there there conceptually there's some similarities and so maybe
you just the more reps you know, back to back,
like that helps you out a little bit. But no,
this is odd paper. This looks like I mean and
half it looks like it's going to.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Be a beat down.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
You know, it looks like the Broncos on paper looks
like it's going to be a beat down.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
It's the biggest burd of the weekend. Oh it's tired
for the Texans tile Yeah, I was gonna say Titans
and Tides.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Oh no, I take that back. Lions Brown's nine and
a half. Yeah, Lions Brown's is not.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Oh near mind. How about the Bill Saints. Oh yeah, yeah,
there we go.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Do you know what that one is? It's double digits.
It's gotta be like thirteen and a half, fifteen and
a half, fifteen and a half.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Okay, no, no, no, I don't.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Some of it definitely does not hold up that by itself,
what you just did right there, I was like, I don't.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
We're looking around, look over my shoulder. Yeah, we're good
on that. That made worse, much much worse.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
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not represent the community of KAI Sports, their bosses, the
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Speaker 3 (29:39):
I made to tell you the worst on the air
choke I made after we get off the air, Okay,
I look.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
For I look forward to that.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Ostensibly, we got Thursday Night Football tonight, your Arizona Cardinals
and the Seattle Seahawks
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Spirit heal text line Ben, We'll be with you Broncos
Country each night, this evening walking up to the Rockies.
A tough night for the Rockies, but cal Rowley continues
to be awesome. Sixty home runs, It's pretty remarkable to
see that. And Gray was telling me earlier, there's like
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four guys right now, I think four guys that had
fifty plus home runs.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Yeah, it's all I happened twice before.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
I remember pretty remarkable ninety eight and was at the
Yellow Row two well one, okay, yeah, there was ninety eight. Yeah,
I remember ninety eight, oh one, I just could remember
what year the other one was, yeah, two and one.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
And then Suarez by the way, I think he's he's
closing it on fifty as well up there with Seattle.
So yeah, pretty remarkable. I mean it's it's a different time.
I mean, certainly back in ninety eight, we know why
there was over fifty home runs. The balls that are juiced,
not it, right, A little bit different deal, you know whatever, Yeah,
a different deal. Yeah, I think show hey had another
one today. It's fifty fourth home run today, So he's
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on a roll. Aaron Judge continues to be great and yeah,
cal Rally the big dumper?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
What a nick? Then? What an the greatest? Yeah? So
see what happens with the Rockies?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
And I don't know, man, It's so if I was
watching a breakdown today on the Pirates and they're talking
about all of their pitching staff and they have like
one of the better pitching staffs in baseball.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
We'll get back to the Broncos a second, but.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
This was a breakdown where they're saying, listen, there are
a few hitters away from being a contender. You know,
Pittsburgh Pirates are that kind of team where you feel
like you could tip the scales in your favor if
you just had better offense. For the Rockies, unfortunately, I
don't even know where you start. I mean, yeah, the
pitching staff needs to be better, but it's like it's
so far away that I don't know if you're a
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couple of arms away from salvaging. And then and then
you go to the hitters, because as you know, like
this season, your run differential is minus four to twelve,
The next closest team is minus two to four, and
that's the Washington Nationals. So like more than doubled up
in your run differential, you have five hundred and eighty
nine runs scored. The Dodgers, just by comparison, who are
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number one in the NL West, have eight hundred and eleven.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah, so so it's not just.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
The pitching, right, So the pitching, I mean, yeah, you
given up over one thousand runs.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Over one thousand runs.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
There isn't a single team within your hemisphere, like, not
even to nine hundred. There isn't a team in baseball
has given up even nine hundred runs and you can
give it an over over one thousands. So the pitching
is one thing, but your office isn't doing its part either.
So I don't exactly know where to start here, and
that that I think is a bit of the problem
here because you go into next year and of course
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we're gonna be looking forward to seeing if they can
have some of this young talent emerge.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
But the reality is is you just have no idea.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Yeah, and how many guys do you even have that
are hit above two fifty you know?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
This year?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
I mean it's it's just it's it's a combination things.
It's not just that you're You're pitching is bad. You
don't have but what two guys that hit for power?
You know, you don't have people that are getting on base.
It's it's it's just bad across the board. I don't
really know what else to say at this point. I mean,
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you need everything, you need everything.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
You know, you've got one or.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Two players that you can that you can build around,
you know. I mean obviously you got Hunter Goodman that
you can build around, but I mean beyond that, like
what else, what else you got?
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (03:40):
And the Dodgers, by the way, as far as run differential,
they're plus one thirty four. Yeah, so you're talking about
it almost a five hundred and fifty point swing between
the two these two teams. It's a tough division. It's
always going to be a tough division. And you're your
odds are probably in the favor of trying to sneak
it as a wild card.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Anyways, think we're realistic here.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I don't think anybody toe's the banner of this is
our season to win the NL West like that. That
doesn't happen very often. In fact, it's never happened for
the Rockies, like in their entire history. But I was saying, like,
we don't come into it, Rockies fans don't come into
any season with this. Let's win the NL West this year.
We have a team that's going to contend with the Dodgers.
You hope you can be better. You hope you can
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be maybe the Arizona Diamondbacks a couple of years ago
where you got into the wild Card and you worked
your way all the way to the World Series and
youn't win. But that's what that's what's on the table.
But that's a possibility once you get into the dance.
But here, yeah, yeah, I mean the Dodgers of ninety
wins with a handful to go right, and I mean
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they probably in some ways underachieved because there should be
one hundred win team.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
But ninety wins is pretty good.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
You have forty three, So it's forty three you're about
you're about five hundred and fifty points different on your runs,
different on your differential.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Yeah, I mean, like you said, you got a few
that you can build around here. You got uh, you
got Goodman, you got Moniac. Yeah, you know, Freeman's all right.
Blame Krim has shown some some flashes here that might
be something. But you know, you gotta you don't have
to figure out beyond that. I mean, at least Krim
gives you something at first base after the totalest thing
going to work out.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
You know, you just you.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Gotta figure it out because you've got You've got guys that
were equally bad that you would you were counting on
totally was one of them.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I'm adoor, oh my god bad. I mean, if you can't.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Hit, you can't get on base, you can't score runs,
it doesn't matter at the end of the day. And
you're a very hitter friendly ballpark a large portion of
the season. That's that's without getting into the pitching portion
of it, right. You know, you've you've had a couple
of guys five looked all right this year. Uh, you
know Hergett looked uh looked all right this year that
you don't really have a ton of pitching talent.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
You know, this is just sitting there like all right, this
is the guy.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Uh, and the guys that you have invested in over
the years have not looked all that great. Kyle Friedland
is just you know, it's kind of just a guy.
You'd be a back end of the rotation guy anywhere else. Uh,
Marquez is not you know, is not a viable starter
at the major league baseball level for anybody else.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
So I guess the mindset would be if.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
You do say when I say clean house, I mean
as in, you go in a new direction at GM
and manager at this point, right And I don't know
if they're gonna do that, but let's.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Just say they do.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Well, then that mindset or that philosophical approach to building
a roster might take another several years decade.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
I mean, it's baseball. It takes a long time in baseball, yes,
And so that's that's part of the thing. If you've
got to create a radical shift, you've got to realize
that you're either going to have to spend a ton
of money while you're developing all this stuff down there
in the for free agency, while you're developing stuff in
the minor start.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
It's going to take you a decade to get there.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
So I mean that's the question, right for Rockies fans
like that want real change, okay, and don't hit me
with the ownership because that's not going to happen. So
you want real change, you want change at GM, you
want change in coaching. But then understand it's like turning
the Titanic here, it's going to take some time to
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let that change seep in to the organization. So do
you want the team to stay the course and hope
that things start to turn around because you've been investing
in some of this young talent over the course of
several years and decades, or do you make a dramatic
shift and then understand that that might take some time.
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And I don't know if what Rockies fans really know
what they want at that point. They just want to
be better, and so there isn't like a There isn't
a quick fix A and the fix that you probably
have to do doesn't necessarily guarantee anything anyways, you know.
So maybe that's why Dick Monford gets here every single year.
It's like, well, I could fire.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
People or change things, but also.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
We've been doing this for a really long time and
understand that that's the sequence of maybe not on a rebuild,
but a retool doesn't sound appetizing either.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Yeah, I think, well, I don't think you worry about
what the fans want. I think you've tried to figure
out how to get winning baseball, and you know, and
that'll take care of itself if you if you build it,
they'll come right. So I think you've got enough fans
showing up at the stadium right now. It's not like
the Tropper or something where you've got five hundred people
showing up every night. You've at least got people showing up,
so you can keep the cash flow going. But my
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suggestion would be that that you go all in on
we're rebuilding this thing that buys you times.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
We have a new vision. We're rebuilding this thing form
the bottom.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
It's going to take a vok for for some of
these young guys to develop, and if you if you
go that route, that'll buy you time with lowered expectations
and you can take some of the pressure off whoever's
going to be the new manager or whoever's going to
be doing this stuff and these guys that are coming
up to get to the point that they need to.
We've seen teams do it. I mean the Astros gut
it and built it for the ground up. We've seen
teams do it. You just have to have a consistent,
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unified vision and the ability to go out there and
get the right players and then not trade those players
away for nothing, you know, once they once they do hit.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
So Rocky's back in action tonight seven o'clock and we'll
see what they wound up with the season and the action,
and then find out after the afters all said and done,
what direction they're ultimately get through their actions, they're gonna
tell us, yeah, a lot of what they think of
their team.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Yeah, I mean yeah, you know, for me, I mean,
there's a couple of fan favorites. Maybe you keep around
for a season, but the reality is, you need to
make room for the young guys. You need to you
need to build those things. Crap it, build it from
the ground up. You got two or three guys here
on the off on the you know, on the offensive sides,
you can build a Rod Goodman's the centerpiece. Money act
looks like he's he's certainly capable of playing at this level.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
And then you go from there.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
If Krim is gonna be your your Patuona first, okay,
you know you need to find another two or three players.
Though you got you gotta find another two or three
guys there that are at a real deal and build
around those five.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
All right, let's talk about the Broncos versus the Bengals
a little bit, and I want to get your thoughts
on the Bengals, and you you hit us with some
information some intel last night in the Bengals. But here's
Sean Payton talking about the Bengals offense and how different
they are with a backup quarterback and maybe and then
the question was actually framed interestingly because it was do
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you play Jamar Chase and t Higgins the same way
knowing it's a backup quarterback throwing to him?
Speaker 4 (10:08):
There's a stretch where when Joe was injured what a
couple of years ago, where man, this quarterback is accurate
in rhythm, you know all those things, and first down
is important if you allow him to get going. They've
won a lot of games and played well with him,
So we absolutely do. Because it's not like the backup
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is a different type of player. He's a pocket passer,
he's a you know what I mean. It'd be different
if if who's playing now is all of a sudden
a guy that you know, scrambles run, we would defend
the offense because the offense really hadn't changed.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Okay, I think that's what he has to say. It's
the right thing to say.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Nobody's buying that you're going to be seeing the same
type of quarterback with Jake browning versus I mean, you're
just not with Joe. I mean it's like that's not
a thing. So for a moment, you appreciate it. He
says that publicly because that's what he has to say.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
What do you think.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
I don't think that that's I don't think you're going
to defend him the same way.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Joe Burrow does have legs and can can move around.
Jake Brown is not really that guy the offense.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
I mean, he's right in the sense you defend the
offense because the offense stays the same and it does,
you know, as as far as that part.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Of it goes.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
But you know, at the end of the day, Jake
Brown doesn't have the strongest arm in the world. I
think you I think there's ways to play that versus
Joe Burrow, who will challenge ever blade of grass. You know.
I think Jake's got a bit of a wind up
in his release. He kind of has to because he
doesn't have that kind of arm strength, and he'll farrow
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interceptions where Joe's pretty safe with the ball. So there's
gonna be opportunities to bake bake them into turnovers, and
I think you you change up the way you do
it a little bit. You want to get pressure with
your front five, and then you want to kind of
bait him a little bit. You'll show, you know, too
high and rotate to you know, rotate to one robber
and stuff like that. You're gonna there's gonna be a
lot of back end rotations to try to confuse him.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
I mean, he's right about one thing.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Jake Browning a couple of years ago was relatively serviceable
for this offense. I mean, I don't know about like
whether people thought he was a good quarterback. I mean,
I'm not gonna sit here and try to defend that,
but in nine games he had a seventy point four
completion rate, passed for almost two thousand yards, twelve touchdowns,
and seven interceptions. I mean, if if you're talking about
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like a backup quarterback, I mean you're not Joe Burrow.
But the team won some games with Jake Browning is
starting a quarterback. The offense didn't fall off a cliff
with him. So I see why why Sean would say
something like that, Because you do have to say like that.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
But then you watched this game against Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
And even the game before that where he threw three
interceptions again just Jacksonville.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
I don't know if he's regressed.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
I don't even know if that's a thing necessarily for
a quarterback who doesn't play to regress, but that's what
it felt like, honestly watching him play these last two games.
I didn't see the guy that had nearly as much
confidence as I saw two years ago when he was
filling in for Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
You know, you know why, because he didn't have to
you know, what he had then and that he doesn't
have now. Prime Joe Mixon. Joe Mixon ran for over
a thousand yards a year head had like to take
ten touchdowns, and it was actively the pass game.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
So I don't have a.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Back that they don't have Joe Mixon back there right now,
and they don't have a commitment to anybody back there,
and they're putting it all on Jake Browning. And that's
the reason that he's what three touchdowns five picks this year.
I think something like that. You know, that's part of
if you can see it, they can see it. In
the offense, there's people can tee off on Jake Browning
and and that's the easiest way to get him into
his most negative space because there's no run game there.
(13:52):
They're just none. Chase Brown's average of like to a carry,
they're they're just not They're not capable of running football.
Haven't been capable running the football. Wich is why it
was such a shock to me. Uh, it was some
of the conversations that I had.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah, Joe Mixon had over one thousand yards rushing on
the season, think rushing touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yeah, I think he had another like four hundred yards
of the air too.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
And he had three hundred and seventy six catching fifty
two receptions.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
There you go, fifty.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Receptions, that's the that's the piece that's missing. And three
touchdowns they had because I think it was Tyler Boyd
not t Higgins back then, or that's correct, but Jamar Chase, well,
they had t Higgins, they had they mean, Boyd was
the guy they only tigins for twelve games, right, he
had forty two catches for six fifty six. Tyler Boyd
played the whole season, right, sixty seven for six sixty seven,
and then the Jamar had one hundred reception. Yeah, he was,
he was the guy, but it was you know, they're
(14:37):
missing Tyler Boyd and Joe Mixon. Uh And I don't
think they're missing Boyd because Higgins has become, you know,
kind of the other guy and Yosha Mitch is what
he is. But they're missing mix and they don't have
a running back that people have to account for. And
when you don't have that, when you when you don't
have to pay attention to that, you can just tee off.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
And that's that's, frankly, what teams are doing, and they're
really having a hard time getting anything with the run
game going.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
That's that's the probably, which is why again, why a
conversation I had was shocking.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah, Sotte, that because you told us at the very
end of the show yesterday.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Yeah, I'll talked to somebody that's on the coaching staff
are in Cincinnati that I've had a good relationship with
for a number of years, and you know, they seem
to think and it's just one of those off the
record conversations. This isn't something where they're just joshing or
whatever else, Like they're giving me the loawdown of what
they really think and for whatever reason, this coach seemed
(15:28):
to believe they've identified something that was going allowing to
run the football against the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
And I'm like, I was like, you pretty sure.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
If you watch the specifics because I didn't want to
be you know, you don't want to be that guy.
But like in that, in that conversation, like that really
cast like you guys have been unable to get it
going so far, and the Broncos aren't bad.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Against the run by any by any stretch. Joe Taylor
would disagree. The only thing that I.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Would say is that one comments that was made was
that the Broncos had the lightest defense in the NFL,
So I I don't know, you know, I don't know
what they've got playing, and I don't know if this
was just besing, but normally I have truthful conversations with
this with this coach, and that's how I knew no
offense was going to you know, the Bengals.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
For you with there all the co.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
It just seems almost delusional to me, based on what
I've looked at for the out of the Bengals this year,
that they would be suggesting that they're going to run
Buck wild on the Broncos or whatever, not that he
didn't use those exact words, but they see, you know,
he definitely pointed out there's something they've identified, they feel
like they're going to be successful with the ground game
and get that opened up.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Well, I don't think either of us would make the
argument against the linebackers or something to targets like so
Chase Brown catching passes out of the backfield, I think
is going to be something they can do.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Have the tight end position to do that as well.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
I mean that that to me, that's yeah, I get
that that this was like specifically referencing the ground game,
and I just I'm like, I don't, I don't know
what you're talking about here, because I've looked at this
and it's not you're up against the defense, the other
defense that plays the same style as you were up
against last week in a lot of ways, and I
don't you couldn't get anything going against the Soda. Yeah,
(17:02):
they really struggled, men. That's a just watching the before.
I even like looked at the stats after the game.
It was a miserable rushing attack. I mean, smart VP
Ryan ended up with.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
But this is like at the end of the game
when he's finally getting some traction with four carries, but
you had Chase Brown ten carries or three yards.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Yeah, like he couldn't get anything going. So that's why
I'm like, you know, is there just some something you
saw on tape that you guys weren't doing, because I
don't know what you're seeing against the Bride, you know.
I mean, Jonathan Taylor got it going, but that was
because they kept hammering the short stuff, and so you
had to kind of change the way you were defending
things that opened up the run game.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
I'm a little I'm a little perplexed by that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
So anyway, I'm not gonna mention who that coach is,
but they're currently on the staff there and they're in
a prominent position and so well.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
For argument's sake, though, if if for some reason the
Bengals are able to discover their ground game, because we
said the same thing about the Chargers, we said the
Chargers were struggling to run the box at the time
before that game they really had and of course at
the end of it they ended up with one hundred
and six rushing yards, which is better than anything their
season of Marion Hampton in nineteen carries for seventy yards.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
And there may be something to the Broncos being very
light on defense. I mean, our nose tackle is about
the size of most people's defensive ends. You know, Djason
Malcolm Roach. Yeah, yeah, the Malcolm Roach things might be
secretly something that we're missing on this defensive engine. But
I love dj don't get me wrong, But he's really
at his best more as a one to three tech
than a true zero, and so that maybe there's something
(18:26):
to that.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
But even then, let's just again, I'll roll with that.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Jake Browning's turning the ball over a ton like you're
not going to be able to hide that.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Well, you can't tire of a game, right, But I
mean they're hoping I guess that this is this is
me speculating, but they're hoping. I guess that that takes
some of the pressure dials the pressure down a little bit,
that allows for them to do some other things.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
But you know, yeah, I mean they had he had
two pick six his last game. I was like, Jake
Browning or Jameis Winston.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
The Lord yeah, delivered me from Yeah, I don't know, well,
I mean he had one pick six and then no,
a fan fumbled.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yeah, that one is still at Rogers.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Ye had two interceptions though, And I mean I know
I'm better than this. Like I'm just praying for the
Lord to deliver me from pick sixes. He knows he's
better than this. Yeah, I mean they did run the ball.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Let me see last year because I remember, I remember
between Chase Brown and Joe Burrow last year, they did
have some success on the ground, but it still wasn't
like great. I mean the Chase Brown ended up with
sixty seven rushing yards on twenty carries. Yeah, and just
Joe Burrowd four for twenty five. So like they didn't Yeah,
they didn't run all over the Bronx and Jake Brown
(19:40):
and can Jake Browning. I mean he's got a little
speed to him. I mean he's like a four to
seven forty guy.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Yeah, maybe he opened something up with some early RPO
looks or something and try to I don't know, I
don't know. I just know that in saying that, I
was like, this seems odd.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Okay, all right, we'll continue to react to that.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
That's interesting information, certainly the way the Broncos defense is
because that that feels like an opportunity not only for
the offense you get on track we talked about earlier
in the show, but the defense as well. I mean
that this should be an opportunity for the Broncos defense
to tee off and gain some more confidence. They're doing
great in the sack department. They're I mean, the numbers
are overall positive for the Broncos, but you start to
(20:19):
see things take away, like they're rushing yards per game
is twenty first, they are eighteenth against the pass, sixteenth
in a lot more ben don't break this year than
they have been in previous years. And I want to
talk about that more when we come back. We'll get
to that next. Michael McDonald, Phil Collins, who both would
(20:41):
you take?
Speaker 3 (20:41):
No?
Speaker 2 (20:41):
No, no, no yet one or the other?
Speaker 3 (20:43):
No, I don't, Yes you do if you the gun
and I'm taking both.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Called I have a one, but not for me, all right,
So thank you Grant.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
From umping back to that, I choose like that, why
is this defense so much bend don't break?
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Why why are we seeing that?
Speaker 3 (21:05):
I don't know the specific why from the Broncos side
of things, but I will say that you know, the
league has made a shift toward that philosophically, it's part
of the reason you've seen quarterback numbers coming down a
lot of too high C four, C six, you know,
Fangio type stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Uh. In terms of what people are doing.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
You know, the Broncos are still very heavily a C.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
One, C three team, but.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
It's a lot more keeping it in front of you
than it than it has been you know traditionally. I
don't you know, I don't know the answer to that.
I really don't. What I will say is it's, you know,
it's it's an effective style of defense. Uh. And certainly
when they get when they bog people down in the
red zone, they you know, they're very effective. I think
that Broncos have been defense has been up against.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
The number two in the NFL right now, eleven trips.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Down there and allowed with three three of men.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
So I mean that's you know, that's that's pretty good.
Part of the reason that I talked about on that,
you know, and not to go back and be labor
this point, but part of the.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Reason I talked about going forward to that fourth from
one inside the twenty nine is how good.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
The red zone defense has been.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
So you know, I don't I mean, I don't know philosophically,
if they've just identified something that they Okay, this is
we need to shift a little bit more of this
or do a little bit more of that. But them
in Minnesota are pretty much the only two teams in
the league that are true man teams. Even though the
Broncos have adopted sort of a bend don't break that,
Minnesota has not, do you think, And of course the
Broncos watch everything as you should.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
So the most most recent team that played the Bengals
was the Vikings, and we have Brian Flores. So what
do you think vance Joseph learned from Brian Flores in
the way that they attacked the Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Well, I mean, you know Flores and what they do
is a little bit different Flores. There's a little closer
to well, I guess, I guess Zimmer was up there
for a while. It's a little closer maybe maybe of
that stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Where you gaps and then you're rotating out into different looks.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
For for for Flores, everything is about simulated pressure and
then I'm rotating to a different look. We're still brilliant heat,
but but we're showing you all heat and then dropping
guys or doing different things. The Broncos don't necessarily do
that as much. You know, the Broncos pretty much have
a you know, almost a cover one base, and you
know it just kind of show you that look and
(23:26):
then you know, they show you one look and they're
gonna do different things out of it. The Vikings show
you a bunch of different looks and do a lot
of the same things out of it.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
So it's two opposite ends.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
To achieve the same result, you know, you know, kind
of philosophical.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I mean, maybe Browning maybe his clock.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Is a little sped up because he's played against the
you know, a fast defense like that in the previous week,
so maybe he's a little bit readier, more ready for
that kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Readier is not a word, but you know, uh, neither
is zero regardless.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
But yeah, Actually brim Webster came out and corrected me
on that one.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
So I felt like an idiot.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
The way that Jennifer Gardner must felt with the snook
on Conan.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
You know what I'm talking about. It's like a popular meme.
You're looking at me like I'm sane. I don't know
what you're talking about. When Dracona O'Brien was like, hey,
he snuck right past her. And he's like, snuck is
not a word, Conan or whatever, and then Conan broke
out a dictionary. It was like the past tense of
you know there.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Yeah, And she I thought you were making some kind
of uh because she was like you at Harvard you
should know this.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
And he was like, oh, I thought you were making
some kind of Jersey short reference. No, no, no, not snooky.
That's uh.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Anyway, I know, I don't think there's anything to I mean,
you know, he played against a fast paced Put's heavy
defense before it plays a lot of man. I mean
maybe because you got those reps last week, I got
to help you out a little bit.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
But you know, but I gotta imagine again you're trying
to sort of confused. But that's that's what the Vikings do.
I mean, they do that to everybody, whether it's Jake Browning, anybody.
This is Brian Flores does what he does, and that's that.
Vikings defense has been really good as a results of it.
Vance Joseph's defense with Broncos has been very good too,
a little bit different to simulated pressures, but they still
(25:02):
kind of do some of those similar things.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
But the one.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Thing that you can appreciate is the athleticism that the
Broncos bring. Like they win with a lot of athleticisms,
especially on the edges, and so that's where especially this
Bengals offensive line is really struggling.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
That's where the matchup for me is just like, Okay.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
What could possibly be the Bengals response to that other
than to run it? Like oh wow, I can't believe
we kept that, Like Donald, Yeah, so what could be
your response with Nick Benito, Jonathan Cooper and jonah Elle.
I mean, there isn't there isn't a solution there for
(25:45):
what the Bengals would like to be able to do,
at least in pass pro.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
I mean, well, the Bengals are getting Dalton Eisner back
for this game, are getting him for this game since
they signed this they could get him for this game.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
So that's something you might not have no Phantom.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Yeah, the fans really like a third tight end honestly
in that group like Sample and Kasaki really are you
know the first two they do like to use fant
for for different things and they love that rotation.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
But it's you know, he's really the third guy there.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
I mean, I don't know based on what I'm looking at,
and if I had to guess, and again this would
just be a guess, is that they look at getting
getting Riser back and that's going to help. You know,
Mims the tackle that they have on the right side,
and he's a bit of a mauler. They've got Cody Ford,
you know as well back there. He could be something
(26:33):
where you're looking at maybe running duo, you know, combo
block type stuff because of the you know, lack of
size along the defensive line. Is a line onless is
but a lack of size along the defensive line for
the for the Broncos front, and maybe that's what you're
going to do is try to double them up. Uh
maybe you you're a team that doesn't really have a
full back, but maybe you're maybe you're trying a little
(26:55):
something with with putting somebody back there and getting some
some stuff like that where if you run some duo
and then have a fullback pop free to take the
linebacker at the next level, that pops your running back.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
I don't know, that's just speculation on my part.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
So you'd have to find one of the tight ends
that could work as an h back, because that's not
really Sampler Guseki's thing.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
The question coming in on the Kwa Kawa Spirit Health
text line five six six nine zero.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Any word on when Roach may return.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
I mean he's got the short term I are, so
it's got to be at least through this week.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Yeah, I think it's after London. Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
I think I think that's the that's the goal. If
he's ready soon or so be it. But I think
after I think the game back after London, which is
I think the Giants.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
How much growth can a backup quarterback experience between their
first start and their second start.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
I imagine it's like drinking from a fire hose of information.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Well, see, that's the weird thing is so this isn't
obviously his second career start.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
I mean Jake Prown got.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
I think to his point of or not sorry, to
their point, whoever the texture is. To their point, it's
more about from in season in this season, because he
threw three interceptions but found a way to win against
jack But I think it's also a flawed Jacksonville team.
And then you played against the Minnesota Vikings and that
did look like he was drinking through a fire host
for most of that game.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
He was really struggling in there.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
And then yeah, you got to this game on the
road again in Denver in prime time. I don't think
there's going to be a significant difference in what his
I guess ability to process information looks like.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
That's I mean, I don't.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
I think you are who you are at that point,
and it's really about, Okay, what's the game plan. We
can try to take some of this off your plate
and not look like it's overwhelming you.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Yeah, you know, the only positive I can say from
playing those two back to back is again like at
least there there conceptually there's some similarities and so maybe
you just the more reps you know, back to back,
like that helps you out a little bit. But no,
this is odd paper. This looks like I mean and
half it looks like it's going to.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Be a beat down.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
You know, it looks like the Broncos on paper looks
like it's going to be a beat down.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
It's the biggest burd of the weekend. Oh it's tired
for the Texans tile Yeah, I was gonna say Titans
and Tides.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Oh no, I take that back. Lions Brown's nine and
a half. Yeah, Lions Brown's is not.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Oh near mind. How about the Bill Saints. Oh yeah, yeah,
there we go.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Do you know what that one is? It's double digits.
It's gotta be like thirteen and a half, fifteen and
a half, fifteen and a half.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Okay, no, no, no, I don't.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Some of it definitely does not hold up that by itself,
what you just did right there, I was like, I don't.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
We're looking around, look over my shoulder. Yeah, we're good
on that. That made worse, much much worse.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Once say, the opinions expressed by Benjamin all bry do
not represent the community of KAI Sports, their bosses, the
talent everybody.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
I made to tell you the worst on the air
choke I made after we get off the air, Okay,
I look.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
For I look forward to that.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Ostensibly, we got Thursday Night Football tonight, your Arizona Cardinals
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