09-30-25 KOA Sports Hour 1 with Rick Lewis

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
She was just every now and then they turned the
mics on early.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
No, not not in that case. We got Rick Lewis
the studio with this was up. Rick, I'm glad to
see that your face is okay?

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Uh you referencing that Instagram post?

Speaker 3 (00:15):
Yes, yeah, from pregame me David Susie in the booth.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
I just I'm not bothered by it. But but why
that's all? Like what what what was the thinking behind
that face?

Speaker 3 (00:27):
Well, you know it's not this is not about you
can't Rick. You can't tell him the picture. Don't don't
lump me into he's got his finger in my ear.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Oh please, save, don't come on, tell the truth. Come on,
that's that works in like middle school.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
You can't. You can't use that here as adult.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
You made that face, and and now it is the
whatever you call me, your screensaver.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
I didn't realize before every game I give her such
a hard time. I'm like, come on, man, I mean
how many we've taken, how many pictures? We got to
take another picture? So of course it is Susie, So
I take the picture. But I didn't realize Rick had
had that face until I see it posted somewhere I'm like, oh,

(01:20):
what what do we have here?

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Oh? Man, it was hilarious. Yeah, and then Dave called
me on the way home. Much of the game the
tears laughing. They could barely drive. We were both cracking up.
Oh it was hilarious. Hilarious, A good laugh if you
haven't seen it and you want a good laugh. Yes,
it's been scrubbed. No, it has not a rod scrubbed it.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
You shrubbed it.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
I don't have, you, vain little bastard. I don't have
access to scrubbed the picture. I got hold. I showed
deal my wife and she laughed and then she would
you know, that probably wouldn't be good to have back
there for the rest.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Of the Oh gosh, the good news is I have it. Okay, Oh,
I've got a screenshot of it. I kept the screenshot.

Speaker 4 (02:12):
Seriously, I cannot believe you took I mean, honestly, we
were going to use that next year as the Broncos broadcast.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yeah, in the media, in the media, in the media,
here's the Broncos radio. He does it not perfectly encapsulate.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
The hilarious You had the greatest you had the greatest
sort of tag for it. What was that, uh, you're
going to put me on the spot.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Down No, never mind, never mind, never mind.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
I want you to say that. I'll tell you off
the air. But that's what was so funny. Okay, the tag.
You had a great tag for it. But it's always
all though. It's not societal friendly. It's not, no, not
only radio friendly, it's not even if.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
You said it like driving down the road with your face,
your family would shun you.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Okay, all right, So now I'm not want to repeat it,
but I'll tell you is there a PG version of
it or not?

Speaker 1 (03:07):
No? No, really, no, hell no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Dave is more my barometer for these things that if
Dave says yeah, no, this would be an area that
would get get you in trouble. I'm all for helping
you sort of crawl out on a limb. I mean,
because I think, I think as your radio career continues,
you have to every now and then you've got to say,
you know what, I know, I know how far I

(03:34):
can go here. I mean, I worked with Scott Hastings
for twelve years. I learned, you know, over the course
of that twelve year period, you know, to take it
right to the edge and then maybe stick my toe
in the water a little bit and then pull back.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Exactly so, and it's all.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
You would be in trouble Ryan, because you're the driver
of the show. And then you asked me to repeat it,
and then you no, no.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
No, Ryan wouldn't be in trouble. You would be in
trouble because you repeat it. Well, we might all get canceled,
now we all might not. It would be you.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
They got canceled because you said it. Okay, why I'm
a little more sad to You've never wanted to take
a break more than you do right now in your life.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Just see what it is, right? Well, I yes, that's
what I really want to know that.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
But I've never been more sad to know that we
scrubbed that photo from social media. We have it.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Well, it'll be it'll be posted after practice to do that. No,
I don't, I'm in the show. I'm in the shot.
You could talk to my lawyer, my wife deal likes me.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
It'll be okay, nothing than a good bottle of our
tequila and fixed there you go, all right, So we
have all sorts of fun stuff get to get to
over the course of the show. Ian Rapport's going to
join us at four o'clock this afternoon. We'll talk to
Jack Corgan. Uh just for a moment here the Rockies
Bill Schmidt, he's stepping down as general manager. Now we expected, Dave,

(04:58):
you talked about it quite a bit over the last
several months. That you expect is some kind of change
would happen for the Rockies. This seems like the first
step in that process. The one thing that I think
most Rockies fans that are I guess slightly encouraged about
is the statement we're going to look outside the organization
first for the next GM.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
I think this this was a move that had to happen.
When you have I mean, this is the third consecutive
year they've had over one hundred losses.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
But this, I mean, this season.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
Was you know, it was an all time bad season,
and so in in professional sports, when you have when
you have, I mean, I think there's reasons, but I
think ultimately you're judge done how many games you win
and lose. Most professional organizations at least are and I

(05:48):
think this was this was the right move. I like
Bill personally, I've always he's always been great coming on
the show, he's been. He's been a good dude, I think.
But I think this had to happen. And that's what
happens again in professional sports. If you're the GM or
you're the coach and you don't have any we're close

(06:08):
to the kind of success that most people were hoping for,
then somebody has to go.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
I mean, this is the accountability stuff that we talk
about all the time in sports, and I think sometimes
that gets overblown, in my opinion, because we are so
quick to fire people like at least on in like
radio and blogs and articles. It's like the Rockies, well, okay, fair,
that's fair, that's fair, and that that's been the organization
that usually gets held up as the one that values
loyalty above almost everything else. And so, yes, you're right,

(06:38):
that's the one example. But I do think sometimes we
get into the well, this guy's been terrible. I mean,
George Payton had been fired for how many times throughout
this town until now where everything looks great in the
draft classes and the free agency classes at all looks
really good. So sometimes you do need to let these
things play out. But in this case, Rick, as he
just said, it felt like this was an inevitability, probably

(07:00):
as soon as August, maybe even earlier.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
Yeah, I think they probably waited maybe a year or
two too long. In fact, and I'm an original Rockies
season ticket holder.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
I believe you are, too day.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
A big fan, big baseball fan, and the Rockies have
become hard to watch and hard to follow because they've
been so bad three straight one hundred lost seasons and
then the catastrophe this year. Somebody has to pay the
price for that, and I think they probably should have
done that after the first one hundred lost season. They

(07:31):
kept Bud Black until this year, and I'm not saying
it was Bud Black's fault, but typically most baseball franchises
that's the first guy that goes. They'll fire the baseball
manager and then try to figure things out. But the Rockies,
if you want to say they're loyal, I guess that's
one way to look at it. I just think they're
a little slow to react in those situations.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
I will be interested. I mean, of course, the names
that they're going to be looking at. The first thing
that jumped out to me was maybe the opportunity for
Dick Montfort to sort of picked the brain of several.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Execs around the league. Now. I say that because we
actually interviewed him a couple of years ago and he
said they did that.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
They said they did that, and he said nobody brought
us anything that we didn't already know.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
Yep, which was a perplexing comment.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
It stuck both of us, right, It's it's one that
I mean, You've got the owner of the Rockies on
opening Day coming to where we are outside the course,
outside of course field and and doing an interview, so
you want there there's a certain I think there's a
certain amount of respect that.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
He is due.

Speaker 4 (08:36):
Now he didn't he didn't do the interview this year,
so we don't know. We don't know exactly why.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
But when he.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
Said that, I just thought that was really a curious thing.
I'm not saying I'm not saying they didn't, and I'm
not saying that wasn't his perspective, but I did find
it hard.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
To believe that that if you.

Speaker 4 (08:59):
Would interview people outside your organization that are in that
business in Major League Baseball, that none of those people
would have any ideas in terms of how to turn
this franchise around that you hadn't already discovered yourself. And
if if that were the case, then I would imagine
this thing would have been turned around a little bit quicker.

(09:19):
And I'm not trying to be a smartss about this,
but I think two things. You know, Greg fiesel the
had run the business operation for thirty some years. This
will be his last season. Now we know that Bill
Schmidt is going to step down. And I think Walker
Montford has been a positive sort of influence on his

(09:46):
dad and the rest of the organization, judging from things
that I am told from people that would know. I
don't pretend to be down there. I mean, I'm just not.
So I'm not going to act like I am. But
so I I think there will be somebody from outside
the organization, and you know what, I'm willing to say, Hey,
let's get i mean fresh start, Let's get some ideas going,

(10:09):
let's build the farm system, let's get this thing back
on track, because we've seen what a great baseball town
this is. Especially if the Rockies are anywhere close in
August and September to being in the race.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
I think they still had five or six sellouts this year.
Well yeah, that's a historically bad season. And look at
the last five seasons, guys, the Rockies lost four hundred
and ninety one games over five seasons, almost one hundred
games a year. And that's why I say they waited
maybe two three years too long and then it got

(10:44):
away from them.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
So this was needed. That's the right thing to do.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
Let's hope they can get the right guy in there
and turn this around, because, like Dave said, this is
a huge baseball town. People will go and support this
team win or lose. In a lot of cases, I
think people are going to watch me be their favorite
team from another market where they moved here from. But still,
I mean, they still have a lot of fans fill
in that park on a nightly basis.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
I mean to that point, do you realize what their
attendance finished this year, like as far as where they
ranked top thirty.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
Yeah they were. I think they were a little bit
above middle of the pack, exactly middle of the pack.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Fifteen Yeah, fifteenth, you're the worst team in baseball and fifteenth.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
Now, so the point they averaged like twenty twenty three
or twenty four, did they average thirty thirty thousand, then
that went up. That went up because midway in the summer,
I know they were down like twenty six something.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yep, thirty fifty seven was the final average when it
got when all said and done, Yeah, a lot.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
Of markets tremendously in Major League Baseball.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
With five seasons like this, there'd be five six thousand
people at the game.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
Well, Athletics, I mean Athletics, Marlin, they don't draw. They
don't draw in Florida.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah, Tampa, Tampa Bay ninety seven hundred on average, ninety
seven hundred, Miami on average fourteen thousand.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
These are the bottom. Athletics were ninety four. That's a
little bit of a weird, weird situation.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Checkout White Sox eighteen, Pittsburgh eighteen, and so again those
are bad teams, Like some of those are really bad teams.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
But not as bad this year as the Rockies, but
not as bad as the Rockies.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
And so you made the point, I mean, we've made
the point that a lot of out of town fans
or even local people that are fans of teams from
out of town will go to these games, and that
does add to the numbers. But either way, it's still
a draw. And that's kind of the point, is it's
still a draw. It's a town that wants good baseball,
and hopefully the people they bring in here can help
without process. One last thing on this end game will

(12:38):
check check in with Jack Corgan at four thirty.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
What about William Shaeffer.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
I mean, honestly, I think I would say that if
I had to handicap it, I would say he would
not be back. I think he inherited a pretty tough,
tough draw, agreed, and I think there were some things
that he did. I thought he brought energy to the team.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
You know he would.

Speaker 4 (13:10):
And I listen, I'm a big fan of Buddies too,
and I'm like Rick, I think Buddy.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
I think Buddy's a good manager.

Speaker 4 (13:16):
He just got stuck in the situation that that you
know you can't win in. But I thought Schaeffer was
accountable after games for the most part. But I think
judging from sort of what they've done now, I would
my guess would be that they will completely start over
with a totally new crew, and they'll lay that thing

(13:40):
out for Rockies fans and say, here's here's who we've hired.
Give us the chance to earn your trust back.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
I think you're absolutely right, and I think this move
was sort of the indication to go from your GM,
which will be down from there.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
And you're right about Walker Montfort.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
I mean that was something that was done kind of
middle season that also sort of tipped their hand on
changes coming. And I'll give you credit because I was
being a smart alec earlier in the season, because I
was acknowledging what we all know to be true with
that organization where they tend to not make a lot
of changes even in the midst of everything looking like
they should. And you said, Nope, there's going to be changes.

(14:17):
Just wait, just hanging there. It's going to happen. And
today was the first move. And especially if they bring
in somebody from outside the organization that it gives you
a chance to It does create a real interest.

Speaker 4 (14:25):
I think if you're a Rockies fan, yes I know
we are, and I'm anxious to see, like, Okay, who
you bringing in? Yeah, what's what's the you know, what
are their credentials look like? And then who's going to
be the skipper and has he had major league experience before?
And if so, what kind of experience? So, I mean,
Bruce Bochie just stepped down long ago. Now Bruce's you know,

(14:48):
Bruce is over seventy years of age, and I'm not
suggesting it would be him, but I am suggesting that
I think the next next manager is going to be
somebody that has some experience running a major league team.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
Yeah, And regarding Schaeffer, I think fans would be really
disappointed if they brought him back as the manager. You
could give him a role that you know, somewhere on
the on the team, but I think you need to
clean house. Otherwise fans are going to just throw their
hands up in the air and go, here we go again, right,
And I love you know, Day brought up a name
manager like Bochie. Maybe that's what you need, maybe just

(15:23):
on a three year deal, to bring in a guy
who's won, a guy everybody knows, a guy that fans
will have confidence and they get excited about it.

Speaker 4 (15:31):
I mean, if you kind of like that, if you
look at the job that he did in Texas, and again,
his name just popped into my mind. But I'm trying
to think what year he took the Rangers job. And
I want to say, before he got there, the Rangers
had been abysmal.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
Now, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (15:50):
Anything about the farm system of the Rangers or if
they had a good young nucleus of players that Bruce inherited,
but in a relatively or period of time. I think
maybe the second year, second or third year, I can't remember,
and the Rangers were in the World Series.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
So I do think it would.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
Be important to find a guy that you know, has
had some success, that has some gravitas that you know
players will look at and say, Okay, this dude, he's
done it before.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
He knows what it looks like.

Speaker 4 (16:26):
And I think it's going to be It's gonna be
really interesting to see what they do.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
I mean, buddy, was that for this team for a
long time, and I mean you and I both celebrated
that higher. I loved that too. It was it was
at the right time, and he felt like he pushed
the right buttons early on.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
But eventually, you know.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
The message gets lost, especially when you start losing and
there's only so much you can do right as a
manager at that point. So yes, I'm looking forward to
I like Bochi. I liked that name a lot. That'd
be very interesting.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
Has his name been mentioned, No, Honestly, I him.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
I haven't seen it either. Yeah, not that I've seen,
and he might not.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
I mean, I'm not even sure Bruce Bochie wants to
continue managing. I mean, he may be at the point
of his career where it's like, listen, I'm gonna have
a I'm gonna have a cold win and kick back
and watch some baseball.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
Maybe take a year off or something like that. I
don't think he's got a year to take off. Howls
Bruce bow I don't know. Early seventies, it's gonna be
seventy ish. No, he's he's over seventy. The seventy seventy.
Oh I thought he was early seventy. Oh, so he's
maybe three years. Yeah, bring him in. Yeah, a little
shot in the arm for the organization. The Rangers and

(17:27):
Boche mutually agreed to end this tenure. Uh, that can
mean anything, but yeah, Ron Washington's out there. Although he's
got health issues, underwent quadruple bypass heart surgery. He's so
he's probably out. And those are the only real name
guys that I can see that might be available by
the Elvin.

Speaker 4 (17:47):
The Yankees manager is going to change here if they lose.
If they lose to the Red Sox.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
How you doing with that? I have Usid Chisholm. Not
that I'm a Yankees fan. But I am. I grew
up as a Yankee.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
Stand you take him out of the lineup, A thirty
home run guy over thirty stolen based guy.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Why? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
I don't know, but I love baseball, and I love
baseball in particular this time a year when there's so
much at stake.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
So much at stake.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
I got a name for you. Oh, go ahead, former
Rocky Joe Girardi.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
Huh. I like Joe a lot. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (18:27):
I like Joe a lot of success. He's got some
toughness to him, some grit.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Sixteen years old. What has Joe Girardi been doing?

Speaker 3 (18:34):
I mean he left the Phillies looks like twenty twenty two,
so he's been I don't know if he's been in
the game since then, but he's well rested, and.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Well, that's one we'd look at it for.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
He's rested, he's fresh, three years of rest, he's tanned,
he's ready to go. If fans know who he is,
I think he was a fan favorite when he played here,
and he's been a good manager in Major League Baseball.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
I like you Yankee tonight a lot. I'm big on mean,
you're taking the inks.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
I got the a's the number by the way, the
uh they've got to be fam minus one eighty five
and let me see if the favorite yeah one and
a half.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Yeah, so that's pretty typical over nunder seven and a half.
But I love I love Roodon h He's a tremendous pitcher.
And I'm not a brayon bell off guy who's pitching
for the Red Sox.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
So all I know is that I like you guys.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
The Yankees loaded the bases in the bottom of the
ninth with I.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
Did not score.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
It did not score a three one loss. That's all
in the three to one loss. It's gonna get better.
It has to get better. And you know what worst
case scenario, just look at the photo of Rick and
that's going to.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Roof of your day. You know what.

Speaker 4 (19:41):
That'll bring a smile to anybody's face. That'll be posted here,
I would say probably by six thirty tonight.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
Grant just Joe Girardi is the color analyst for the
Yankees on TV.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Oh is he really? That's a nice job. He's leave that.
Oh yeah, you know after I think you take the
shop after a World Series win, of course, you know Yankees, Well.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
Well if that's If that's the prerequisite, then Joe Girardi
is not going to be the manager. The Yankees aren't
winning the World Series this year. Oh really, I don't think.
I'm not even sure they're getting out of this three
game serious, I mean five games?

Speaker 1 (20:15):
But wait, is this? I see you. I thought it's three.
You know what I think it is three? Yeah, yeah,
it is three. Yeah, they do too. So they've got
to win. Yeah, they've got to win the last two.
All right, we're off and rolling.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
Here we come back. We got to hear vic fans.
You're talking about bo Nix. I don't know if you
already heard it. It's really good. And of course we
want to talk about the meatballs that Rick still hasn't gotten.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
We'll get to that all coming Saturday Saturday night. You
think so, me and Vick, if Dave shows up, bet
on that. If if Dave shows up, we have an invitation.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
You shoul show them the photo. We'll get to that next.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
We will talk chat with Ian Rockport cover at the
top of the aar A lot of questions, a lot
of injuries around the league. Forty nine ers tomorrow night
are going to be pretty short handed. Lamar Jackson. We'll
get to all of that coming up here in just
a little bit. Vic Fangio talking about bo Nicks. That
has so many layers for me, not only just because
the Broncos are playing the Eagles and Vic of course
the DC, but then also his history.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
Here check out what he said.

Speaker 5 (21:11):
He's a scrambler, he's a competitor. You know, he'll throw
the ball in tight places. He runs their offense really well.
I think Sewn's done a great job bringing him alone.
And they got their quarterback.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
For the future.

Speaker 5 (21:28):
You know, they looked long and hard for many years,
and I've got one.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
That last part, That last part sends me so much
because you got to think, for Vic, who we all
regard as a very very good coach, he never got
the quarterback to pair with his really good defense, and
just that very in vury he's like, Yeah, they looked
really hard for that for many many years.

Speaker 4 (21:53):
He never got the coordinator that's to pair that's with
the Broncos offense, right man. I've told that story before
and I'm not the only one that knows it. But
when Vic took the job, he was promised that the
idea was Gary Kubiak was going to be his offensive coordinator,
and then he wasn't. So Vicked Hardy signed. Gary wanted

(22:19):
to bring a couple of former Broncos assistant coaches on
with him and was told that that's not going to happen.
So therefore he said, well then I'm not coming. And
it all got back to Vic late having to hire
rich Gangarello because he had been in the Shanahan sort

(22:41):
of tree with the forty nine ers. But as I
was told by someone who would know, it's one thing
to be in the system, it's another thing to design
and call the place.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
As we saw out of the league. Now he's out
of the.

Speaker 4 (22:59):
League, maybe maybe he can be the Rockies manager.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
Boy.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
So yeah, I always loved his pressers personally.

Speaker 6 (23:07):
I always got a lot of information, dealt kind of
a tough hand. Vic is a great defensive coach. Uh,
He's not warm and fuzzy. It was a hard guy
to you.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
Know, hard guy to like, I guess is a way
to put it. He's old school man for some old
school tough guy. Yeah, And I tried, Dave. I tried
really hard, as you know, and finally broke through and
then they fired him.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
So that's why I'm hoping. I don't know, Billy, it.

Speaker 4 (23:33):
Would be an accurate characterization to say you finally broke through.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
Well, he did invite me to dinner if you come.
That was yeah, there wasn't There wasn't qualifier there. That
was a qualifier. But I did get invited. It took
three years. I finally broke through. And then now he's
not here.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
But I'm with Dave, I think we're taking some liberties
with the word broke through here.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
It feels like.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
An actual invitation on the air here. I'm sure Grant's
probably got it somewhere.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
So he trapped him on the air and said, hey,
a coach now that we are.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Of asking.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
Yeah, but I do think he got got dealt a
bit of a tough hand here.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
Yes he did. And I'm not.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
Sure if Vic would have made a really good head
coach or not. I don't think anybody would know. Well,
you know, he's a damn good coordinator, and he has
been everywhere he goes, and you know, he's probably got
some secrets that he knows about this roster. There's still
some guys on this roster that played for him, a
few that he would know their weaknesses, and their strengths.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Uh, it's going to be interesting on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
I always think about his tenure with the Broncos, especially
when it comes to the quarterbacks and the offense and
all that, and and his his thoughts on Drew Lock,
because he just never and listen, you don't have to
tell me if you knew something otherwise Dave. But it
never felt like he warmed up to Drew Lock like that.
That really wasn't as much as I think the fan
base clamor for Drew.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
It was.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
He called him a thrower of the football more so
than a quarterback. And I remember when he and Teddy
Bridgewater shared the same birthday and He's like announced it
with Teddy Bridgewater's birthday.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
The media was like, it's also Drew likex birthday. He's like,
oh all.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
Right, yeah, yeah, it's not allowed for me to add there.
I think, Yeah, I uh, no, nonsense guy.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
Yeah, that's what he is. Vic loves football.

Speaker 4 (25:30):
Yes, there have been there have been overdoing my job
a long time, there have been a handful of coaches
that you you stay in touch with a little bit,
and and Vic is one of those guys to me,
at least, I mean I love the.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Fact that he loves our game so much. You're right,
he's not.

Speaker 4 (25:53):
I mean, he'll go play golf a little bit, but
it's about football and designing a defense and how do
we get better and so I I, uh, you know,
I admire that about him, and he's he is a
hell of a defensive coach. You and I Ryan, on
whatever day that was Monday, maybe Monday, we talked about
this matchup with two I think brilliant football minds. You

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got Sean Payton trying to create a scheme that can
move the ball and ultimately score points against Vic Fangio's defense,
and Vic knows Sean very well and vice versa. I
just think this, man, this is a huge storyline between two.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Brilliant football guys. In the regular season.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
There's a really fun moment in the game this last
weekend with the Eagles and the Bucks when the two
broken plays.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
We talked about those, they Mecha Buka.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Touchdown and then the Bucky Irving touchdown, and they went
immediately to him in the box in the booth to
see a little reaction from him and just this like, oh,
like the dirty look.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
And I was like he was.

Speaker 4 (26:54):
Asked in the in the Today's Wednesday. In the Tuesday
press conference that coordinators have, he was asked by a
reporter in Philadelphia coach and the reporter was trying to
be cagy, and I think phrased it probably in a
pretty good way, something to the effect of, hey, you
get up two big plays in that win in Tampa.

(27:18):
Would you consider those to be good learning opportunities?

Speaker 1 (27:22):
Teaching opportunities? And he said, yep, teaching opportunities.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
And he said, you want to elaborate a little bit
in terms of like what exactly you mean?

Speaker 1 (27:34):
He goes, Nope, just teaching opportunities. No, no, no, no nonsense.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
Guy, Yep, right, they'll be I just think this is
one of the best individual, you know, matchups between a
brilliant offensive guy and a brilliant defensive guy. I just
can't wait to see how this thing plays out.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
I just started looking at the game coming up on
the short week and give me some optimism. I do
feel like going to Philly on a short week and
then to London is tricky. But they just had a
really tough game against Tampa and got beat up a
bit in that game, some injuries. We'll see how that
plays out during the week. But I just kind of

(28:20):
feel like Philly is they're about ready to lose one.
You know, they're four and oh they haven't really won
impressively on offense, and so this could be the week
where maybe the Broncos could beat a team they're not
supposed to beat. That's the optimistic me and I tend
to lean that way anyway. But as the week goes on,

(28:40):
I'm you know, trying to build up a little more
optimism for this game. What I'm worried about is going
to London after There's a lot of distractions built into
these trips, and I think on this trip the players
will bring their family with them, wife or maybe even kids.
There's a lot of distraction of like, Okay, we're going
to London, next to which you got to pack.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
We're going to be there a week. You mean to Philadelphia.

Speaker 4 (29:05):
No, I mean after Philly. The families are going to
meet over there. But that's but still they're all taken
care of, ye But still.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
They're going and you know, and you've got to get
your passports in order and all of that stuff. Negative ghostwriter,
you don't need a passport, No, you need a passport, But.

Speaker 4 (29:21):
I don't think the families. I don't think that'll be
a distraction, because that's all I hope. No, no, no,
I think that's now, you know. I mean for those
of it. I mean you're leaving right from Philly to
go to to go to London.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
Yep, right, so you've got you got that.

Speaker 4 (29:36):
I'm coming back here to coach, and then I will
catch up with you guys leaving I think Friday. But
I would say this to Rick's point, Yeah, I think
you could make the case of Philly's kind of ready.
But man, oh man, this team does not beat themselves
the right. I mean, Jalen hurts four games, zero picks.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
They've turned the ball over, I believe, one time in
four weeks.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
One time.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
So if you're going to beat them, especially in Philadelphia,
you are going to have to win the game.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
They are not. I mean, they just don't appear to
be a.

Speaker 4 (30:16):
Team that gives games away, and we've seen teams that
do that.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
That's a great defensive coach. He's not warm and fuzzy,
hard guy to like, I guess is a way to
put it. He's old school man for some old school
tough guy.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Yeah, and I tried Dave.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
I tried really hard, as you know, and finally broke
through and then they fired him.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
So that's why I'm hoping.

Speaker 4 (30:38):
I don't know, Billy, it would be an accurate characterization
to say you finally broke through.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
Well, he did invite me to dinner if you come.
That was there. There was a qualifier there, There was
a qualifier. But I did get invited.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Like, he had some friendly moments, and there were guys
in the locker room that got to see some of
that once in a while. It's just it was few
and far between. It was very, very difficult getting compliments
out of him, certainly most of them.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
I mean that I think he's socially uncomfortable. Yeah, but
I think he's a really good dude. Yeah, from what
I hear from people that really have gotten to know him, Yes,
he's a really good dude.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
He's just not he's kind of awkward socially.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
We're going to be in Rappboord joining us here at
the top of the hour. Boy, the laundry list of
injuries for the Ravens, that's that's something we got.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
To get to.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
I wanted to also get to the Dylan Gabriel story.
When we didn't get to get that with Dave. But
Dylan Gabriel named the starter with the Cleveland Browns today
and so not so much breaking down what that means
and whatever it means the Browns, right, But it was
the Shore Sanders part of it that is really getting
the most attention today. Now, if you haven't seen the video,
you and I were texting about it earlier. Shador Sanders

(31:44):
being asked in the locker room about Dylan Gabriel being
named the Starter, and rather than answer any questions, he's
sort of pantomimed responses.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
He like smiled and he just words yeah no, with
no sound coming with.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
No sound coming out, and let the amount of people
are it is bizarre and it's it's weird behavior. And
we can get into that in a second. But a
lot of people was funny is they were like, is
my phone broken? Like there's so many people like I.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Thought the same when I first watched it.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Yeah, you're like, let's go turning up the volume and
then you can hear the questions.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
You're like, what's going on with this thing?

Speaker 2 (32:17):
Yeah, but it was very it was very weird, but
it was a response and even Adam Scheffer pointed this
out later. It was in response to what Rex Ryan
said on Get Up the other day.

Speaker 7 (32:25):
So Fanski is one of the I mean, an outstanding coach,
all right, But why the hell isn't he putting should
or Sanders. We're all waiting to see the Shad or
Sanders be the guy or Gabriel whatever. Something's missing, something's
missing with this kid. This kid talks and he runs
his mouth like he's a I could be a starting
quarterback with his arms crossed like this. Get your ass

(32:46):
in the front row and study and do all that.
If I know, the whole league knows. Could be in
an embarrassment that way. You've got the talent to be
the quarterback you should be. You should be embarrassed that
you're not the quarterback. Now, you know, I like to
I don't like this toe.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Yes, Rex Ryan famously big on toes.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
Yeah, and you know Chador's mom then came out on
social media and called Rex Ryan cancerous evil. What she
deleted afterwards, I don't know if Schudor might have called her, went, mom, come.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
On, you can't do that.

Speaker 6 (33:23):
Mom.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Maybe you look bad here.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yeah, parents in general should stay out of it with
pro athletes, but especially the moms, and that that's look
as your kid. I understand, but it just makes it
look like you're coming to their defense and they can't
defend themselves. Drew Locke's mom did the same thing several
years ago when a lot of media was coming after
Drew Locke, and it just made things way worse for Dreams.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
I remember that, and when you're a quarterback in the NFL,
you have to take shots like that, not just shots
on the field, shots off the field from the analyst.
And if you can't take that, I don't know what
that says about him. He's going to have to get
a little more callous because this is how it's going
to be your whole career.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
It wasn't a great look for Shador. But I will
say a couple really quick things here. First of all,
interviewing a third string quarterback in general is kind of
a weird deal. I would never go into locker room
and ask him longer anything about the team or like,
unless he's going to be the starter or even got
promoted to backup, there'd be.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
No reason, and even a backup, I don't want a
reason to talk to him.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
So talking to the third string quarterback is weird in general,
but he's such a polarizing figure and he tends to
give you good sound bites, so I can understand what
from the media. The first thing people are thinking is like, well,
doing Gabriel named scharter. We should go see what Shudor
Sanders has to say about this. And I understand that.
And he isn't your typical third stringer because of that right,
because of the name and because of who he is.

(34:43):
But at the same time, for Shador, who wants to
continue to prove that he belongs in this league, that
he can be a leader in the locker room, they
could be a leader on the field. I felt this
was a bit childish, to be honest, and I liked
Youdor a lot. I tend to be for so very
supportive of him. I thought this wasn't a great look
for him. Ultimately, I agree it's not a good look.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
I feel like he's very likable, charismatic, yes, and I
feel like he's a bit immature with that type of behavior,
Like I feel like he wasn't ready to be an
NFL quarterback coming out of SeeU. He's got a lot
of talent, but he wasn't ready like Dylan Gabriel, I
think is ready more prepared for it, and I'm not

(35:21):
sure he was ready if he was mature enough to
handle all of this, And I think that was an
example right there that maybe he's not think about this.
In an alternate universe, Ryan Shador would be starting for
the Ravens this week, but he turned that down.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
They tried to draft him.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
Remarkable and he could have had Lamar Jackson as a
mentor and he would be starting this week, probably with
a high powered offense, and he could really show off
his skills. But he chose not to go that route.
He said, don't draft me. I don't want to play
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