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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Shotgunsnapped bow to the end zone.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Ball is caught.
Speaker 3 (00:03):
That is a great catch by Courtland Sutton, Denver touchdown,
twenty yards strike. Sutton got dumped in the end zone,
but bo nicks a laser shot. Sutton went up cradle
that it came down on the small of.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
His back and they really never looked back from there.
Interesting to hear from Eric delalav With the Broncos, Denver
had a three hundred yard passer and a one hundred
yard rusher in the same game for the first time
since twenty fifteen when it was Peyton Manning and CJ.
Anderson doing it. It's kind of weird, Like, it's weird
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to think that it's been that long to have that
kind of combination considering all the allowances that offenses get
these days. Where's Nick Ferguson when you need him to
complain about it? But I mean, that's that's pretty wild.
I mean, simultaneously is a little depressing because it's an
acknowledgment of not only have the Broncos not had a
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lot of great quarterback play in the last decade, but
also haven't had great running back either. I mean, its
been it's been thirty seven games, says they had a
one hundred yard rusher, a lot of mercy, as Nick
would say, Yeah, it's been since twenty fifteen versus of
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the Packers.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
That's pretty wild. But thank you for Eric Dlalla for
that note.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I mean it was.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
It was a great night overall for the Broncos. There's
a great defensive stats. We'll get into that come out
up here a little bit. This Patzertan stat about his
work on Jamar Chase and really all of the Bingals
receivers is stunning, an absolutely stunning staff from nixt Gen Stats.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
We'll get to that come up here in a little bit.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
But last night bo Nicks chatted with Voice of the
Broncos Dave Logan. Here's that conversation.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
We've got the quarterback of the Broncos Bo Nicks with
us in the locker room. Boast Dave Logan seemed like
you guys really got on track tonight. And with the
exception of maybe the first series, you're able to run
the ball. You got really good protection through the ball
with accuracy.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
How did the game just overall feel to you?
Speaker 6 (02:13):
Well, I thought we had a good plan and we
ran the ball officially early and when you can run
the ball, get you know, first down, second out, first
down again, it opens up a lot. And we weren't
in third and longs this time. And I thought the
only stretch that was poor was in the you know,
early you know, the third and early fourth quarter, where
we just had so many penalties.
Speaker 7 (02:32):
Were just killing ourselves.
Speaker 6 (02:34):
But I thought overall, we did good job.
Speaker 7 (02:37):
We ran the ball very efficiently and that's what opened
up everything else.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
Yeah, I mean again, you threw the ball with accuracy tonight.
But I want to get your your your take on
the running back situation.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Dobbins goes for one on one that.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
Breaks the string of i think thirty seven regular season
games without one hundred yard rusher. And I thought our
j Harvey took a couple of really positive steps just
in terms of his pay and running with power.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
He looked like he kind of settled in a bit tonight.
Speaker 8 (03:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
Those guys played well off of each other, and we
got a bunch of plays in so they were able
to just continue to play and get in the rhythm.
Speaker 9 (03:11):
I thought that was important.
Speaker 6 (03:12):
Is uh you know, like for example, there at the end,
JK just kept running the ball, running the ball, run
the ball, gott a good groove, have multiple carries in
a row, and RJ did a good job out of.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
The backfield tonight. You know, he he's learning.
Speaker 6 (03:25):
He's a rookie and you know he's in a good position,
but also a tough position.
Speaker 7 (03:30):
Was so much on him, but he's handling it really well.
Speaker 10 (03:32):
And proud of him.
Speaker 7 (03:33):
He got his first touchdown tonight. It's always fun to see.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yep. I'll get you out of here with this.
Speaker 8 (03:38):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
You know, the last couple of weeks have been disappointing losses.
You've talked to me after the game and said, hey,
we got to get back to work. And now you
get a big win on a Monday night, but the
same thing, you got to get back to work. You
got a tough one on the road coming up Sunday
against the team that won the Super Bowl last year.
Speaker 7 (03:53):
Yeah, and they've started fast this year.
Speaker 8 (03:55):
So you know, we're looking ahead.
Speaker 7 (03:57):
We're gonna enjoy the win, We're gonna watch.
Speaker 8 (03:58):
It, learn from it.
Speaker 7 (04:00):
It's hard to win in the league, so you know,
we've had tough weeks, so we can enjoy this one.
But at the same time, if we want to continue
to win, and you know, go after something bigger than
We got to continue to get better and we know that,
and we're going to have a tough week, but I
think everybody's excited for the challenge.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
Yep, no doubt about it. Appreciate the time, Bo, We'll
say this week, Thanks Tang. That's bon Nicks in the
locker room all right.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
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guys about it for many years now, five six six
nine zero. This question comes in just out of curiosity.
Why didn't they pull the first string when they were
that far ahead? I think that I don't know if
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Sean said this specifically, but you want to continue to
sort of build those reps and find your confidence.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
You know.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
One thing that was interesting last night, and Chris Thompson kind.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Of pointed this out, but this game, in a lot
of ways was the mirror opposite of what happened in
the Chargers game. Broncos had twenty nine first downs to
the Bengals, nine. So literally what happened last week versus
the Chargers, and for an offense that's still trying to,
I guess, in some ways find their way, last night
looked like what it's supposed to look like. I think
more often, not a twenty eight to three win, necessarily,
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but more confidence, more confidence in the play calling, confidence
in the execution, the passing game, the running game, the blocking.
I mean, everything looked a lot cleaner, and you were
able to afford to leave them out there for that time.
And also, I mean you at that point JK. Dobbins
was close to one hundred yards and you could feel
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it there as things were winding down. By the way,
it really sounded cool last night on the game when
he finally got it.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
Dobbins the lone back, tight trips left. Mims comes in motion.
They pitch it to Dobbins left side. Dobbins has the edge.
Here we go fifteen. Dobbins pushed out of bounds as
he got to the fifteen with a big run. That's
or battle. He's got to be close to one hundred
right there. That's a gain of sixteen and he's over
one hundred yards. That breaks a streak of thirty seven
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straight games, the longest active streak in the NFL and
one that you don't really want of the Broncos without
a hundred yard rusher in a single game.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
In a lot of ways, what a great call.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
And I said this last night in the post game
favorite moments ever listening to the broadcast, listening to Da've
calls games as here we go, Oh my gosh, you
just get It's a jolt of energy every single time.
But that drive was important for that moment right there,
and Dave noted it while it was happening. The Bengals
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were exhausted, they were beat down at that point. You know,
maybe you could say you can pull your starters and
you don't want to risk injury. But this is the
league we watched years with the Patriots running it up
on teams when they were in the middle of their dynasty,
and the Broncos weren't intentionally running it up. They were
just running the ball really like they weren't taking deep
shots on the Bengals.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
It was RJ. Harvey and JK.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Dobbins running the ball and they were sort of stacking
up those reps trying to run clock.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
But that's good.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Those are good moments for the offense to find their
footing and then of course to finish off the drive
with that RJ.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Harvey touchdown was just a chef's kiss.
Speaker 10 (07:20):
Now.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
RJ Harvey the outside of two left resets to the
left of Knicks, he catches wide open swing pass, walks
into the end zone, the easiest touchdown of the early season.
Knicks to Harvey, touchdown Denver touchdown pass of twelve yards
bow knicks to RJ.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Harvey.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
And to see Davis Webb and Sean Payton celebrating that
on the sideline, that was really cool. So there was
a lot of really good things there in that last
drive that culminated in the twenty eight points that they
ultimately finished the game with. That specifically right there, for
me stood out as you were able to run the
ball effective, you're able to close with a touchdown drive.
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And I know that in the NFL, and it's an
important thing to acknowledge there is no such thing as
style points, but you actually kind of need some style
points in this one.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I think as a team and certainly as a fan base,
it was a weird game.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
And I said this last night in the post game
as well, that it felt like there's almost kind of
a bit of a lose lose here. If the Broncos
didn't blow out the Bengals, who are struggling, I mean
they were a struggling team, then it was like, well,
this team isn't who we thought they were, right, people
would say that. And simultaneously, if they win close, then
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there's a bit of a like, hey, you didn't play
as well as you should have even though you got
to win, shouldn't it have been by more.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
It's a weird kind of situation.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
It reminds me and isaacush Ram can experience this of
when CU play CSU every year in the Rocky Mountain Showdown,
at least when they used to before CU ducked us.
When they used to play every single year, it almost
felt like, for see you, there's nothing to gain because,
see you, if they beat the Rams, that's what they're
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supposed to do. If they lose to the Rams, my goodness,
the sky is falling. This is the worst loss of the
entire season. Basically the season's over. And if they win close,
then it's also kind of like, eh, you're supposed to
beat the Rams by more. That's what last night felt
like to me with the Bengals, but this is on
a different level because it's pro football. And once again,
as we said in the first hour, it's not easy
to win the league teams, even teams that are struggling
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as much of the Bengals. It's never it's never usually
this easy. Most teams don't get blown out. But style
points kind of mattered and that's why they ended up
winning the game the way they did. As we typically do,
day after the game and check in with doctor Dave Schneider,
brought to you by Ortho Colorado Hospital, part of Commas
Spirit Health. Go to Orthoclorado dot org. Doctor Dave, my
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friend's good to check in with you.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
How are you.
Speaker 8 (09:57):
I'm doing great. Happy victory Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Happy Victory Tuesday to you as well.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Good news, at least as far as we know, Broncos
are in pretty good shape. Although I do want to
ask you about Drake Greenlawn in a second, but I
want to start with the Tyreek Hill injury, and boy,
that was pretty gross looking.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
It looks like he's already had his surgery, but a.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Dislocated knee and multiple torn ligaments. What's the road back
for him?
Speaker 8 (10:22):
Like you know, it's funny how these multi ligament injuries
have completely changed the management over the last twenty years.
Some of us old heads may remember Wilson McGahee when
he was in Miami and got that horrible knee injury
in two thousand and three, and at that point, every
single sports medicine doc was saying he has done, He'll
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never play again. And we all know that Willison McGahee
went on to have a very nice NFL career coludding
for the Broncos. But one of the guys that was
a pioneer and caring for that is a guy named
John you Reb. He's in Miami and he did that
guy's surgery, and I suspect was doctor Uribi, who did
this surgery this morning on Tyreek. The biggest thing you
have to do right away, I can promise you. Tyreek
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was taking it at Miami Hospital last night and immediately
got a special what's called an angiogram, a study where
they inject die into europe into an IV and then
you get a CT scan to make sure he didn't
rip the artery. I mean, the ligaments are one thing,
but immediately Tyreek Hill's leg was at risk. He was
at risk of getting an amputy. Wow, when you rip
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that many ligaments. So I shot up a prayer for him.
I mean, forget about thinking about timeline to return to play.
It's like will they be able to save his leg
if he has an arterial injury. So the fact that
they have already done surgery, if you say that to
any sports medicine surgeon, we're all shocked right now that
he's already had this major, major, major reconstruction surgery where
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they're fixing his ACL and his PCL and his MCL
and his all these ligaments. This alpha that's soup.
Speaker 10 (12:01):
You know.
Speaker 8 (12:01):
Instead of saying a MOULDI ligament is knee injury, we
call it the EFL. Every freaking ligament.
Speaker 11 (12:07):
Surgery when you're fixing.
Speaker 8 (12:10):
Everything in the knee.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Wow, I had no idea it was that scary that
you risk the leg. I mean it was scary looking
there and they're talking about I mean.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
You know what it is, But I had no idea
it was that bad.
Speaker 8 (12:24):
It's that bad. And as well, the other thing is
you've got a couple of nerves that are coming by there,
the one on the outside, your parenteal nerve. We've all
seen a couple of players that the Dallas Cowboys had
a linebacker a couple of years ago, gosh five six
years ago from Notre Dame who had that scary kind
of knee injury where his nerve was also damaged and
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he had foot drop and had to play football for
a couple of years with a molded orthosis in a
shoe to keep his foot from dangling and dropping, because
that nerve controls you're lifting your foot. So Tyreek killed engine.
Initial concern was that artery, the popliteal artery. Was he
going to lose his leg or I need the need
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to have major complex vascular surgery, and what's the status
of that nerve. The ligaments anymore are super.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Easy to do.
Speaker 8 (13:13):
It takes a few hours to do if you're very
skillful surgeons like some of my panoramic partners. They make
it look easy. But I'm the fact that he's already
had surgery and is doing well is nothing short of
a small.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Miracle, no doubt.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Quickly on Molik neighbors a lot of discussion about playing
on turf. Why why is it that turf has been
such a problem for some of these acl and soft
tissue injuries.
Speaker 8 (13:39):
It's just the the adhesiveness. You know. You saw if
you look at the slow mo replay, just as Neighbors
is getting ready to do lift off, he's planting his
leg and then it just sticks. Yeah, just there's so
much traction, and you see his knee collapse and then
as mcl and then his ACL would have gone. I'm
one of those guys, you know, some of the scientists
say there's no linkage. It's sort's me be a teeny bit.
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I just say, there's no way there has to be
everyone's big or strong, or faster or more explosive on
sticky turf. It just there has to be an association.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
I completely agree.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
All right, last one here for you, Doc, and I
always appreciate the time. I want to ask you about
Drake green Law. They decided to shut him down and
just put him on short term IR, which I think
is probably the best for everybody. But is that a
reason for optimism or pessimism on your point that they
really could not get him ramped up.
Speaker 8 (14:30):
When when we all talked a month ago, I kept saying,
I'll be shocked if he can play this year. I
sure hope I'm wrong, And they kept talking about maybe
in a couple of weeks, and I kept saying, man,
I sure hope I'm wrong. And now now we're looking
at another four weeks of him being on the list.
I keep thinking, I sure hope I'm wrong, because I
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sure like his game and he'd be good for our defense.
But man, I still am so skeptical.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Okay, Doc, Shoulders Shoulder will get back out of next week.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I'm I'm believing in our bars.
Speaker 8 (15:02):
That's right. There, you go, Shoulder Shoulders Fellers.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
That is doctor Dave Schneider from Ortho, Colorado, part of
Common Spirit Health. Go to Orthoclorado dot org. We'll have
Nate Jackson and Shelby Harris coming up next.
Speaker 10 (15:16):
Good afternoon, Warrensville Height Elementary. This is Principal Shelby Harris, Principal. Man,
I'll tell you I like the name man, Principal Harris.
Get rocking about you get a raise. I'm the new
principal on Principal.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Harris, Principal Harris. Let's not nice ring to it? I mean,
can we uh?
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Is that like a nickname we can throw out there
on the field as well, Shelby.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
That's the future.
Speaker 10 (15:39):
That's the usually I always tell people when my mom
was a teacher. So for me, that's just you know,
that's in the blood.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Don did you sing for them? Because because you you
have a lot of futures, right. You want to be
a broadcast, you want to be a singer, you want
to be a principal.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
I mean, man, you got a family. It's a lot
of stuff.
Speaker 8 (15:57):
Man.
Speaker 10 (15:58):
Yeah, I'm so busy once I get on to that
next chapter of my life. So I gotta keep yourself busy.
I gotta keep you. You got to keep you know,
all the time that you have that you spend doing
football and stuff. Now after you retire, you gotta keep
all you got to spend that time doing other stuff.
Speaker 11 (16:17):
Shelby, what's up, Nate Jackson?
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Here?
Speaker 9 (16:19):
I got a question about what it's like for a
defensive player. And I know you guys are having, you know,
a quarterback change. Perhaps we don't know what's going on,
but what's it like for a defensive player in those
locker rooms when you're going through a quarterback change, when
there's chatter about that, you see.
Speaker 11 (16:32):
It in the media.
Speaker 9 (16:33):
Does that affect the way you guys handle business at all?
Speaker 10 (16:36):
No, because you think of it like this, Like I've
been a part obviously being in Denver those years when
we've really struggling on offense and you know, going back
and forth with who's going to be a quarterback? And
then you know, I've been around a couple of different
position battles like quarterback battles, and the one thing that
it just if you're already thinking of doing a change
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already tough from the defense, why is that? You know
what I mean? Like, because that obviously means that they're
not scoring, they're not doing what they're a busting. That's
why you're even thinking of changing in the first place,
you know what I mean. So that's why I saidizing
like it makes it. It's already means that it's a
tough road for the defense. But I always say that, like,
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you know, we we we've been on this chick about
complimentary football and about you know, in every phase of
the game, setting each other up. And I think that's
kind of more of what you're going to be looking
for than anything. It's who can compliment you even if
you're defense playing well, Who can complement your defense? If
I turn the ball over? Who can be you know,
the best such stead player where you know, we don't
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get a punn turn for a touchdown. You know, complimentary
football just like how just like you said, we get
stopped from defenses and then we pour from the punt.
That complimentary football and is just doing those little things
is really what it's going to take, no matter who
the quarterback is, in order to win.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
You I watched this game against the Lions this last week,
and you know, I think the final score is not
really indicative of how well your defense played. I mean,
you gave up only two hundred and seventy seven yards
to one of the best offenses in the game. I
mean they average four point nine yards per play, and
again they're super explosive. But you talk about complimentary football,
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and I think that's perfectly sums up that game because
it kind of got away from you because of some
bad situation, special teams and otherwise. But man, I listen
to a podcast today that they're going on and on
about how great your defense looks.
Speaker 10 (18:34):
Yeah, it's just you know, that's the issue though, no
matter how good your defense plays. You know, we both
multiple interceptions and then you have a punt return for
a touchdown. The percentages and the probabilities are not in
your favor. You know, we always talk about the percentages
of winning a game when you're plucked in a turnover margin,
But then imagine when your minus two plus and I
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would have punt return, and so you know, that's what
you know. That's why we keep harping this complimented football
team because it's going to take every side of the
ball to do it right in order to win. That
shows you how hard it is to win in the NFL.
And so that's why in the grand scheme of things
is great when you know people say, oh, defense wins championships,
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that's not true. You need everybody, all.
Speaker 9 (19:18):
Right, You guys are headed to London now, right man,
you're going there. Why do you guys set it out
because you're playing the Minnesota Vikings seven thirty am here.
Speaker 11 (19:27):
But talk a little bit about that trip.
Speaker 9 (19:30):
What's the schedule, Like what are the challenges on your
body as a player when you go overseas to play
a game.
Speaker 10 (19:37):
So we'll leave Wednesday night, like we'll leave tomorrow. We'll
have a full day here and then we'll leave tomorrow
and get their Thursday morning technically, and then the hard
part of the part obviously about any time you go
overseas is the jet lag. Because we're land in London
at around seven am, which will be I think one
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am Cleveland time, So it's that right there, you're already
behind the eight ball just trying to catch up with
the jet lag and trying to make sure you hydrated
because then pretty much what you have to do when
you go there, you have to go right into it,
because the one thing that say about jet lag is
like you pretty much have to go into their day
like as a normal day. You can't go and just
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take a nap. Yeah, So that's the thing. So we
get this seven and we go straight in the meeting,
like we going to go straight into like mobility and
meetings and stuff. You don't have a full day, and
then you got to have to like you're gonna be
tailing off at the end. But I guess the struggles
that come with traveling and doing these overseas games. And
I've said this before. I've said this before on the
podcast from girla Sports. I've said this before on multiple instances.
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If we're going to invest in this idea of international games,
there needs to be international facilities over there for these teams,
there needs to be international facilities where we can go
get the recovery and get all the stuff that we
get we're at home. Because obviously the NFL is going
full like going full on, which is international games and
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the international game. So now it's time to make the
real investment in it and put these facilities there for
players to get the best care when they're actually in
these different countries.
Speaker 9 (21:15):
So what are you able to not able to get
when you're there that you get here well?
Speaker 10 (21:20):
And I think with like, you know, the topics, you
got to find your own different type of stretchers. You
got to find that type of stuff, but you don't
get your cryos. Like every every facility is different in
the NFL. You know a lot of a lot of them. Know,
you have the saunas, your femaloms, you have cryo cryotherarapy,
you have hyperbaric chambers, you have red light beds where
it helps you get rid of information. You know, you
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have you have float tanks to help you get rid
of information. It's like every facility has all these different
modalities that help you really get ready for Sunday. And
so think of it like this for a team like
the Vikings who are coming from Ireland and already over
in London. They're there for a week. They're going two
weeks without their modalities and their recovery modalities and they're
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just going out there and just playing. So that right
there is the issue, don't you. If we're going to
have these games overseas, you want to put the best
product out there, and to be able to be able
to put the best product out there is to have
your body feeling the best possible, you know, feeling the
best it can when you're overseas.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Yeah, I guess Roger Goodell said the other day he
wants to have sixteen international games every year.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
He wants it to be basically every single week. So
that is coming.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
You're absolutely right, that is coming. Then the facilities are
going to be part of it. I don't know if
you caught any of the game last night, but I
just wanted to sort of chat with you for a
moment about when a game is that lopsided, and sometimes
that does happen, how much fun is that on the
defensive side of the ball, when the offense is kind
of doing what they're doing and you guys get a
chance to just basically play free.
Speaker 10 (22:49):
Well, I thought the whole game, and I'm going to
tell you on the defensive side of the ball for both sides,
and so being on the defensive side of the ball,
like the Broncos, that's great because you have a quarter
back back there. It doesn't even though he's he's out,
a rookie or anything like that doesn't have the most experience.
You know, they're they're they they're kind of dumbing down
the offense room, so he might hold the ball more.
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It's time to go hunt, time to go get those sacks,
time to go make those plays and show your word. Right,
they could have the past rushing time. And those are
the times you like when you know a team has
no rhythm, Like we saw that game that today. Cincinnati
looked terrible and and that's not not mincing words at all.
They looked terrible. They didn't even look like they really
want even wanted to be there. And that's perfect for
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the Broncos. So they went out there and they and
and they handled them. Now on the other side of
the ball, though, that could be the longest day of
your life because literally, like and then creditor Sean Payton,
the first hundred yard Rusher and his Broncos senior with JK. Dobbins.
But that's a long day because that just shows it's
literally like I had he played with five yards five yards.
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It's just a war on them. And you could just
tell that Cincinnati team was mentally beaten by the end
of the game.
Speaker 9 (23:59):
So you know, you follow the NFL at large, Shelby
and the Buffalo Bills are four and oh the Eagles
are four and oh.
Speaker 11 (24:06):
Do you think those are the two best teams in
the NFL?
Speaker 9 (24:08):
Any any other competitors you think are kind of making
a surge early at the quarter pole?
Speaker 10 (24:14):
Well, I don't see. This is the crazy thing about
this year. I don't think you can necessarily go off
for records. It just because we've had a lot of
good matchups early in the year. And I know everyone's worried,
like it's Baltimore really a one in three team, It's
Houston really a one in three team? Are the jobs
of three and one team? You know? I mean like
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that type of thay. But I would have to say, though,
you know, no matter what you have to go with undeatons,
somebody beat them. So you would have to say the
top teams, right now are are Philly and Buffalo. Nobody's
been able to beat them. And also think about the
teams they've played. They haven't played squreubs the first four weeks.
They've actually played some real competition and went out there
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and performed. So those those teams until if someone beats
the until someone the thrones them, because that's exactly everyone
was like, always going to be KC until somebody, you know,
beats them. Philly beat them, So now it's not Casey anymore.
We're talking about Philly, and then Buffalo still always is
teetering around right there. But man, this is what's good
for football. Though you wanted all these teams being close
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to the top, this is what you enjoyed.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Absolutely. And by the way, the AFC is a little
weird this year. I mean, I don't know what's gonna
happen with Baltimore. Sounds like Laura Jackson isn't gonna play
here for a couple of weeks. They're one and three.
Speaker 11 (25:29):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
That's what's so great about the league is every single
year we we find ourselves in this position where we
think what we know and and stuff happens and then
it ends up start of turning in us head, including
maybe a run for the Browns after they beat the
Vikings coming up on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Maybe the Brown's going a bit of a run, who knows, right.
Speaker 10 (25:46):
Hey, that's the goal, right, that's that's right, man. To
control what you can control.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Absolutely well, hey man, we always appreciate it. Thanks for
joining us for a few minutes. Best of luck not
only travels, but also on Sunday versus the viks.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
We'll check in with you next week.
Speaker 10 (26:04):
I appreciate the fellows.
Speaker 11 (26:05):
Thanks Shelby.
Speaker 10 (26:06):
All Right, Principal Harris brings the good. It's important. You
can't do anything in life, but if you don't go
to school every day and me take advantage of those opportunities.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
That's right, Principal Harris.
Speaker 11 (26:17):
It's a good nickname.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Do you have a nickname on the field?
Speaker 10 (26:21):
Nah? No.
Speaker 9 (26:22):
Some people used to call me jack Nasty right, because well,
I made music, I made hip hop music.
Speaker 11 (26:30):
And my name is Nate. They called me nasty night.
Speaker 9 (26:32):
And then my last name is Jackson, and so there
was kind of a melding of different nicknames.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
There was that more of a post.
Speaker 10 (26:38):
No.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
That was while I was playing well every playing okay,
and even actually before uh.
Speaker 9 (26:42):
Yeah, well I brought it here to Denver, issue, right, Okay,
and so some of my some of my teammates still
call me that.
Speaker 11 (26:48):
Okay, Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
Is that a nickname that you liked because somebody okay, okay,
because sometimes.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
You get a nickname and you're like, all right, you
guys gotta keep calling me this. I know you are,
but I can't do anything about it.
Speaker 10 (26:58):
Uh.
Speaker 9 (26:59):
You seen the movie Baked. There's a character called Nasty
Night in that few times. It's not the most flattering
of comparisons. But because he was an inmate, he was, yeah,
in a local prison that tormented their buddy who was
locked up. They were trying to get him out. They
were trying to raise enough money to get him out.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Yeah, because he killed the horse, that's right.
Speaker 11 (27:20):
I wasn't on an accident.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Well it was an accident.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
It's a diabetic horse.
Speaker 11 (27:25):
Yeah. You So you're more familiar with this film than
I thought you might be.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
That's why a few times, the fact that I could
recall as munch of it as I had is actually
more of the remarkable thing. Because in high school, you
know what, I'll stop right there, really good stuff there
from Shelby R's well. Rod Smith joining us here about
fifteen minutes. Nate Jackson is studio. All right, man, what'd
you think of the game?
Speaker 10 (27:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (27:46):
I thought it was I thought it was much needed.
Broncos looked really good both sides of the ball. Yes,
the the Bengals were bad. Shelby mentioned it. You know,
they looked like they didn't want to be out there.
Speaker 11 (27:56):
The reps really loved throwing those flags around.
Speaker 9 (27:59):
Uh, you know, they opened up a new theme park
called twenty six Flags. But but, but the Broncos shouldn't
apologize for any of that stuff. I mean, they took
care of business and some of the things that we
were worried about or talked about. You know, Bo setting
his feet, he cleaned that up a lot. You know,
establishing the running game, they did that. Letting it a guy,
letting the personnel groups kind of stay on the field
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and establish a rhythm.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
They did that.
Speaker 9 (28:22):
And what that tells me is that Sean Payton is
open to changing his plan a little bit and to
listening to his players and figuring out what works. I
know that he has like something like a thirty and
thirty September record, but his October record's like fifty seven
and thirteen or something like that.
Speaker 11 (28:35):
That tells me this.
Speaker 9 (28:36):
Is a coach who knows how to adapt, who knows
how to listen to the players figure out what's working.
And so I think this is a really good sign
that the Broncos were able to dominate their opponent like that.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
Well, one of the things, for example, we talked about
it a bit earlier with Dave is that having the
running backs in for series, why not like rotating in
and now something that I know you've talked about a lot.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I've talked about Rod.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Smith, who's gonna be joining us here, has talked a
lot about it. It felt like the content shifting of personnel.
Though you might throw the defense your opponents off guard
a little bit because they've got a match, you can
sometimes also throw yourselves off right the offense they're trying
to get used to things, and especially for running backs
who are trying to build up a bit of a
ladder who build up some rhythm there and boy watching
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jk And as well as R Jane and Day pointed
this out in the first hour that that's kind of
the first moment where you sort of saw what the
plan was going to be what the plan is supposed
to be at the running back position and how those
guys are supposed to operate as sort of interchangeable parts.
And the beauty of this is both of them can
catch out of the backfield. Both of them I think,
do a pretty decent job in pass pro and then
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then of course both of them run tough. And there
were some really nice moments I thought out of both
running backs as they sort of complimented not only the running,
but it's also the passing game.
Speaker 11 (29:50):
Yeah, there's an art to it. It's not a science.
Speaker 10 (29:52):
You know.
Speaker 9 (29:52):
You got to figure like, if you want to use
two running backs in a game and make them both effective.
Speaker 11 (29:56):
It's not easy to do.
Speaker 9 (29:57):
And you have to figure out the rhythm and and
what conditions they thrive in, and take into account that
all running backs like to stay on the field and
get the ladder going. I mean, you see a running
back get a nice run, and what he does the
feed me thing. He doesn't mean bring me off the
field and give me some chili because I'm hungry.
Speaker 11 (30:13):
He means keep giving me the ball. They all want that, right,
And so I think JK.
Speaker 9 (30:18):
Dobbins was able to get in that rhythm and show
what he can do when he does that. And as
the season goes on, RJ. Harvey is going to get
more and more and more involved. But I think it's
a great sign and it takes pressure off both too,
and does you know, and both look comfortable back there,
and so whatever they did, they're going to diagnose exactly
what they did to make that happen and.
Speaker 11 (30:36):
Look like that they want to try to repeat that.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Well, that's the goal, right And somebody asked me on
the text line earlier about why they left the offense
in late I was like, I honestly, I think it's
just to continue to build those reps. And again, the
game was decided. By the time they scored that last touchdown,
it had been decided. The Bengals were done. They were
tapping out for the all part. I mean, he was
just pretty evident that they really wanted to get out
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of there. But still, I think for the offense to
fill the rhythm of running the ball and dominating the
line of scrimmage and then again, you know, finding moments
of just you know, building that confidence and building the rapport,
I think that those are very valuable. It's valuable really
in all fascets, and you got a tough matchup coming
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up against the Eagles. It's not like you're thinking about
that in that moment, but you are thinking big picture.
You are thinking about, Okay, what have we done up
to this point on offense as we're trying to decide
and figure out what our ultimate identity is.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
And I think you saw a side of that last night.
Speaker 11 (31:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (31:36):
I think when you you know, when you're an offensive
coach like Sean Payton, who has a muscle memory of
putting up crazy numbers. And for the years he was
in New Orleans number one, number two offense every year.
So what he did last night, he's used to doing
it in New Orleans. He smells blood in the water.
He wants to attack, and one wants to create that
muscle memory in his players of not being satisfied with
a three or four point win.
Speaker 11 (31:54):
We want to blow these teams out.
Speaker 9 (31:56):
We want to stomp on him and make him cry
and go home feeling horrible about themselves. That's the type
of ego that offensive coaches in particular have. They want
to hang fifty on you. They're not satisfied with twenty
one to three and.
Speaker 11 (32:07):
Running out the clock.
Speaker 9 (32:09):
They want to put as much up there as possible
because they know that the players start to fall into
that mentality and momentum as well. He wants bo Nicks
to step on the field every day and believe he's
going to put up forty five on his opponent.
Speaker 11 (32:21):
Not that I hope we find a way to win.
Speaker 9 (32:23):
I mean when the Peyton Manning years here, we're pretty
special because you knew they were going to go out
and light up the scoreboard. Sean Payton wants to instill
that in his players. That's why they stayed out there. Well,
that kind of confidence. I mean, obviously we saw what
it looked like with Peyton Manning and we're a little
ways away from that. Clearly, you think, yeah, almost, but
it's a.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Belief, right, and it's it's sort of what Peyton Manning
as a future Hall of Famer and a multi time
MVP represented and when he was on the field, what
it meant to the opposing defense and what it meant
to the guys in the huddle. Yeah, and even the
guys on the sideline that are watching the defensive players,
special teams and otherwise everybody.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Everybody's kind of dialed in again like that, that's the
sheriff out there. I mean, what is he going to
be able to do?
Speaker 4 (33:04):
And you're right, Bo, he's got a ways to go
to is still that kind of thing, But I do
think that maybe not as close to future Hall of
Fame conversation, but a level of confidence that makes you
formidable week in and week out. I mean, we're talking
about a team that hasn't scored less than twenty points
so far for this season. I remember last year by
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week four they won ten to nine versus the Jets.
Last year, we were like, man, this may take a while,
and they had kind of an offensive explosion against Tampa Bay,
but that felt like a blip.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
And honestly, as the season.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
Wore on, there were moments where you're like, as, it's
still not great and you're not producing at the level
of confidence that you need to or at least showing
up like.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
That every single week.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
But I think through the first four games, through all
of some inconsistency, certainly nine first downs versus the Chargers
is not good enough, and you had a lot of
thre renouns, but they still found some explosive plays. They
still hung in there. And they are having some offensive output.
So I think we are approaching I don't know you
agree with this. We're approaching a baseline of what we
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can expect from the offense.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Is that fair?
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (34:08):
I think so, like a positive one, not a negative,
not a oh my god. We a baseline of they
could get shut out. I don't think we're anywhere near that.
Speaker 9 (34:18):
Has Sean Payton never been shut out? Oh boy, he
would know. Yeah, he would No.
Speaker 11 (34:23):
I think that.
Speaker 9 (34:23):
Look, every every year is a new team. They added
two new running backs on this team, right and JK.
Dobbins alluded to it after the game when he was
speaking at the podium in a in an unsanctioned logoed shirt, which,
as uniform inspect I didn't appreciate. But the words that
he spoke I did, and that was that Sean is
starting to understand us. He's starting to understand what we
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do best, and he's starting to put us in that
position you start understand the offensive line better, and he's
starting to understand H. R.
Speaker 11 (34:52):
J better. It takes some time. It's a September thing.
It's what's happening here. He knows it.
Speaker 9 (34:57):
And and by the way, in December January February. No
one's going to remember September. We're going to remember how
they finish, and that's really it. Although you just did
point out a memory from September of last year. But
for the most part, it's how many wins and losses
do you have at the end of the season, and
your ability to figure this out on offense and get
Bow into his rhythm connecting with his guys is going
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to determine that it.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
Was a positive memory. They won and Boenix's first touchdown.
Speaker 11 (35:24):
Pass, Yeah, that's true, that's true.
Speaker 8 (35:26):
This is positive.
Speaker 11 (35:27):
But you know what I mean.
Speaker 9 (35:27):
I mean, yeah, I mean, these guys are just getting
cooking here, and I think, you know the Marvin Mims
having the game he had, I mean, he's the X
factor on offense. Cortland Sutton is your steady guy. I
would throw the ball to Courtland first play of every
game like I would with Rod Smith.
Speaker 11 (35:42):
He's coming in here in a minute.
Speaker 9 (35:43):
But Marvin Mims is the guy who I think if
you activate him, it creates an element on your offense
that you really miss when you don't get him involved
out of the backfield throwing the ball down the field.
You see how excited he gets right because he has
that inside of him. And when he and when he
doesn't get to release that, there's that tension too that
exists when a guy like him isn't involved. And so
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you know, and Troy Franklin continues to uh, they they.
Speaker 11 (36:09):
Want him involved.
Speaker 9 (36:10):
They're doing they're creating opportunities for him, and so there's
only one ball to go around.
Speaker 11 (36:14):
You got to find that rhythm, and I think they
did last night.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Yeah, they're pretty much pretty good shape with all that, right,
And like last night somebody's asking like, well, why isn't
Pat Bryant more involved? It's like, well, once you go
from Carland Sudden, Marvin Mims, Troy Franklin, and Evan Ingram,
who's obviously just scratching the surface there, plus the running
backs getting out of the backfield, Yeah, yeah, you're you're
pretty far down. So maybe he's going to catch a
pass here and there in a stray game, But for
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the most part, Pat Bryant is more of an investment
in the long term of the offense, like there's gonna
be a bigger role for him maybe later this season,
but into next year, in the year year after that.
It was the same situation really for Marvin Mims, right.
I mean, he was a special teamer his his first
year with the Broncos very only used as as the
gadget guy, and even last year a little.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Bit more of the gadget guy early on.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
As the season got late, he got into a bigger
role and now we're seeing sort of the fruits of that.
Speaker 9 (37:05):
But there's a development process to this, isn't it. Yeah,
it's the rookie thing. I mean, it's an offensive skill
position rookie thing. To me, it's rare that a running
back or receiver tight end is going to come in
right away and contribute on offense. Now it does happen,
and you're seeing it here and there. But for a
guy like Sean Payton, whose schemes are pretty complex and
has a specific idea of where he wants guys to
be and how he wants to use him, to me,
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it takes rookies a little while to fall into that.
Pat Bryant's is a good example of that. Evan Ingram,
you know, My concerns with Evan Ingram is everything you
see for him is underneath. It's just like short cross
shallow cross spot route, Like he's not hitting the scene,
he's not running down the middle of the field and
he has you know, I know he's a little banged up,
but I want to.
Speaker 11 (37:44):
See him split the safeties.
Speaker 9 (37:45):
I want to see him use the tight end that
way because the seams can be taken advantage of when
when you have a tight end with his skill set,
a joker that was brought in for that purpose.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
He's not.
Speaker 9 (37:54):
He wasn't brought in to be the joker and run
just little shallow crosses all day.
Speaker 11 (37:58):
But you know, he is on the wrong side.
Speaker 9 (37:59):
Of third and he's been banged up, and so you
got to feel for him in that regard. I think
if you're able to unlock him vertically as well as horizontally,
he's gonna add even another dimension to this offense.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
And Nate Jackson with us. Rod Smith joins as in
studio next
Shotgunsnapped bow to the end zone.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Ball is caught.
Speaker 3 (00:03):
That is a great catch by Courtland Sutton, Denver touchdown,
twenty yards strike. Sutton got dumped in the end zone,
but bo nicks a laser shot. Sutton went up cradle
that it came down on the small of.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
His back and they really never looked back from there.
Interesting to hear from Eric delalav With the Broncos, Denver
had a three hundred yard passer and a one hundred
yard rusher in the same game for the first time
since twenty fifteen when it was Peyton Manning and CJ.
Anderson doing it. It's kind of weird, Like, it's weird
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to think that it's been that long to have that
kind of combination considering all the allowances that offenses get
these days. Where's Nick Ferguson when you need him to
complain about it? But I mean, that's that's pretty wild.
I mean, simultaneously is a little depressing because it's an
acknowledgment of not only have the Broncos not had a
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lot of great quarterback play in the last decade, but
also haven't had great running back either. I mean, its
been it's been thirty seven games, says they had a
one hundred yard rusher, a lot of mercy, as Nick
would say, Yeah, it's been since twenty fifteen versus of
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the Packers.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
That's pretty wild. But thank you for Eric Dlalla for
that note.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I mean it was.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
It was a great night overall for the Broncos. There's
a great defensive stats. We'll get into that come out
up here a little bit. This Patzertan stat about his
work on Jamar Chase and really all of the Bingals
receivers is stunning, an absolutely stunning staff from nixt Gen Stats.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
We'll get to that come up here in a little bit.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
But last night bo Nicks chatted with Voice of the
Broncos Dave Logan. Here's that conversation.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
We've got the quarterback of the Broncos Bo Nicks with
us in the locker room. Boast Dave Logan seemed like
you guys really got on track tonight. And with the
exception of maybe the first series, you're able to run
the ball. You got really good protection through the ball
with accuracy.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
How did the game just overall feel to you?
Speaker 6 (02:13):
Well, I thought we had a good plan and we
ran the ball officially early and when you can run
the ball, get you know, first down, second out, first
down again, it opens up a lot. And we weren't
in third and longs this time. And I thought the
only stretch that was poor was in the you know,
early you know, the third and early fourth quarter, where
we just had so many penalties.
Speaker 7 (02:32):
Were just killing ourselves.
Speaker 6 (02:34):
But I thought overall, we did good job.
Speaker 7 (02:37):
We ran the ball very efficiently and that's what opened
up everything else.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
Yeah, I mean again, you threw the ball with accuracy tonight.
But I want to get your your your take on
the running back situation.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Dobbins goes for one on one that.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
Breaks the string of i think thirty seven regular season
games without one hundred yard rusher. And I thought our
j Harvey took a couple of really positive steps just
in terms of his pay and running with power.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
He looked like he kind of settled in a bit tonight.
Speaker 8 (03:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
Those guys played well off of each other, and we
got a bunch of plays in so they were able
to just continue to play and get in the rhythm.
Speaker 9 (03:11):
I thought that was important.
Speaker 6 (03:12):
Is uh you know, like for example, there at the end,
JK just kept running the ball, running the ball, run
the ball, gott a good groove, have multiple carries in
a row, and RJ did a good job out of.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
The backfield tonight. You know, he he's learning.
Speaker 6 (03:25):
He's a rookie and you know he's in a good position,
but also a tough position.
Speaker 7 (03:30):
Was so much on him, but he's handling it really well.
Speaker 10 (03:32):
And proud of him.
Speaker 7 (03:33):
He got his first touchdown tonight. It's always fun to see.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yep. I'll get you out of here with this.
Speaker 8 (03:38):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
You know, the last couple of weeks have been disappointing losses.
You've talked to me after the game and said, hey,
we got to get back to work. And now you
get a big win on a Monday night, but the
same thing, you got to get back to work. You
got a tough one on the road coming up Sunday
against the team that won the Super Bowl last year.
Speaker 7 (03:53):
Yeah, and they've started fast this year.
Speaker 8 (03:55):
So you know, we're looking ahead.
Speaker 7 (03:57):
We're gonna enjoy the win, We're gonna watch.
Speaker 8 (03:58):
It, learn from it.
Speaker 7 (04:00):
It's hard to win in the league, so you know,
we've had tough weeks, so we can enjoy this one.
But at the same time, if we want to continue
to win, and you know, go after something bigger than
We got to continue to get better and we know that,
and we're going to have a tough week, but I
think everybody's excited for the challenge.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
Yep, no doubt about it. Appreciate the time, Bo, We'll
say this week, Thanks Tang. That's bon Nicks in the
locker room all right.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
In all of our interviews, our postgame interviews, Marvin Mims,
Jonathan Cooper, bo Nicks, They're all up on demand at
kaclorado dot com or better yet, find them on the
iHeartRadio app. It's completely free. It's really awesome. Hold you
guys about it for many years now, five six six
nine zero. This question comes in just out of curiosity.
Why didn't they pull the first string when they were
that far ahead? I think that I don't know if
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Sean said this specifically, but you want to continue to
sort of build those reps and find your confidence.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
You know.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
One thing that was interesting last night, and Chris Thompson kind.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Of pointed this out, but this game, in a lot
of ways was the mirror opposite of what happened in
the Chargers game. Broncos had twenty nine first downs to
the Bengals, nine. So literally what happened last week versus
the Chargers, and for an offense that's still trying to,
I guess, in some ways find their way, last night
looked like what it's supposed to look like. I think
more often, not a twenty eight to three win, necessarily,
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but more confidence, more confidence in the play calling, confidence
in the execution, the passing game, the running game, the blocking.
I mean, everything looked a lot cleaner, and you were
able to afford to leave them out there for that time.
And also, I mean you at that point JK. Dobbins
was close to one hundred yards and you could feel
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it there as things were winding down. By the way,
it really sounded cool last night on the game when
he finally got it.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
Dobbins the lone back, tight trips left. Mims comes in motion.
They pitch it to Dobbins left side. Dobbins has the edge.
Here we go fifteen. Dobbins pushed out of bounds as
he got to the fifteen with a big run. That's
or battle. He's got to be close to one hundred
right there. That's a gain of sixteen and he's over
one hundred yards. That breaks a streak of thirty seven
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straight games, the longest active streak in the NFL and
one that you don't really want of the Broncos without
a hundred yard rusher in a single game.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
In a lot of ways, what a great call.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
And I said this last night in the post game
favorite moments ever listening to the broadcast, listening to Da've
calls games as here we go, Oh my gosh, you
just get It's a jolt of energy every single time.
But that drive was important for that moment right there,
and Dave noted it while it was happening. The Bengals
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were exhausted, they were beat down at that point. You know,
maybe you could say you can pull your starters and
you don't want to risk injury. But this is the
league we watched years with the Patriots running it up
on teams when they were in the middle of their dynasty,
and the Broncos weren't intentionally running it up. They were
just running the ball really like they weren't taking deep
shots on the Bengals.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
It was RJ. Harvey and JK.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Dobbins running the ball and they were sort of stacking
up those reps trying to run clock.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
But that's good.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Those are good moments for the offense to find their
footing and then of course to finish off the drive
with that RJ.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Harvey touchdown was just a chef's kiss.
Speaker 10 (07:20):
Now.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
RJ Harvey the outside of two left resets to the
left of Knicks, he catches wide open swing pass, walks
into the end zone, the easiest touchdown of the early season.
Knicks to Harvey, touchdown Denver touchdown pass of twelve yards
bow knicks to RJ.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Harvey.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
And to see Davis Webb and Sean Payton celebrating that
on the sideline, that was really cool. So there was
a lot of really good things there in that last
drive that culminated in the twenty eight points that they
ultimately finished the game with. That specifically right there, for
me stood out as you were able to run the
ball effective, you're able to close with a touchdown drive.
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And I know that in the NFL, and it's an
important thing to acknowledge there is no such thing as
style points, but you actually kind of need some style
points in this one.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I think as a team and certainly as a fan base,
it was a weird game.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
And I said this last night in the post game
as well, that it felt like there's almost kind of
a bit of a lose lose here. If the Broncos
didn't blow out the Bengals, who are struggling, I mean
they were a struggling team, then it was like, well,
this team isn't who we thought they were, right, people
would say that. And simultaneously, if they win close, then
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there's a bit of a like, hey, you didn't play
as well as you should have even though you got
to win, shouldn't it have been by more.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
It's a weird kind of situation.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
It reminds me and isaacush Ram can experience this of
when CU play CSU every year in the Rocky Mountain Showdown,
at least when they used to before CU ducked us.
When they used to play every single year, it almost
felt like, for see you, there's nothing to gain because,
see you, if they beat the Rams, that's what they're
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supposed to do. If they lose to the Rams, my goodness,
the sky is falling. This is the worst loss of the
entire season. Basically the season's over. And if they win close,
then it's also kind of like, eh, you're supposed to
beat the Rams by more. That's what last night felt
like to me with the Bengals, but this is on
a different level because it's pro football. And once again,
as we said in the first hour, it's not easy
to win the league teams, even teams that are struggling
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as much of the Bengals. It's never it's never usually
this easy. Most teams don't get blown out. But style
points kind of mattered and that's why they ended up
winning the game the way they did. As we typically do,
day after the game and check in with doctor Dave Schneider,
brought to you by Ortho Colorado Hospital, part of Commas
Spirit Health. Go to Orthoclorado dot org. Doctor Dave, my
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friend's good to check in with you.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
How are you.
Speaker 8 (09:57):
I'm doing great. Happy victory Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Happy Victory Tuesday to you as well.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Good news, at least as far as we know, Broncos
are in pretty good shape. Although I do want to
ask you about Drake Greenlawn in a second, but I
want to start with the Tyreek Hill injury, and boy,
that was pretty gross looking.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
It looks like he's already had his surgery, but a.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Dislocated knee and multiple torn ligaments. What's the road back
for him?
Speaker 8 (10:22):
Like you know, it's funny how these multi ligament injuries
have completely changed the management over the last twenty years.
Some of us old heads may remember Wilson McGahee when
he was in Miami and got that horrible knee injury
in two thousand and three, and at that point, every
single sports medicine doc was saying he has done, He'll
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never play again. And we all know that Willison McGahee
went on to have a very nice NFL career coludding
for the Broncos. But one of the guys that was
a pioneer and caring for that is a guy named
John you Reb. He's in Miami and he did that
guy's surgery, and I suspect was doctor Uribi, who did
this surgery this morning on Tyreek. The biggest thing you
have to do right away, I can promise you. Tyreek
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was taking it at Miami Hospital last night and immediately
got a special what's called an angiogram, a study where
they inject die into europe into an IV and then
you get a CT scan to make sure he didn't
rip the artery. I mean, the ligaments are one thing,
but immediately Tyreek Hill's leg was at risk. He was
at risk of getting an amputy. Wow, when you rip
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that many ligaments. So I shot up a prayer for him.
I mean, forget about thinking about timeline to return to play.
It's like will they be able to save his leg
if he has an arterial injury. So the fact that
they have already done surgery, if you say that to
any sports medicine surgeon, we're all shocked right now that
he's already had this major, major, major reconstruction surgery where
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they're fixing his ACL and his PCL and his MCL
and his all these ligaments. This alpha that's soup.
Speaker 10 (12:01):
You know.
Speaker 8 (12:01):
Instead of saying a MOULDI ligament is knee injury, we
call it the EFL. Every freaking ligament.
Speaker 11 (12:07):
Surgery when you're fixing.
Speaker 8 (12:10):
Everything in the knee.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Wow, I had no idea it was that scary that
you risk the leg. I mean it was scary looking
there and they're talking about I mean.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
You know what it is, But I had no idea
it was that bad.
Speaker 8 (12:24):
It's that bad. And as well, the other thing is
you've got a couple of nerves that are coming by there,
the one on the outside, your parenteal nerve. We've all
seen a couple of players that the Dallas Cowboys had
a linebacker a couple of years ago, gosh five six
years ago from Notre Dame who had that scary kind
of knee injury where his nerve was also damaged and
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he had foot drop and had to play football for
a couple of years with a molded orthosis in a
shoe to keep his foot from dangling and dropping, because
that nerve controls you're lifting your foot. So Tyreek killed engine.
Initial concern was that artery, the popliteal artery. Was he
going to lose his leg or I need the need
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to have major complex vascular surgery, and what's the status
of that nerve. The ligaments anymore are super.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Easy to do.
Speaker 8 (13:13):
It takes a few hours to do if you're very
skillful surgeons like some of my panoramic partners. They make
it look easy. But I'm the fact that he's already
had surgery and is doing well is nothing short of
a small.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Miracle, no doubt.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Quickly on Molik neighbors a lot of discussion about playing
on turf. Why why is it that turf has been
such a problem for some of these acl and soft
tissue injuries.
Speaker 8 (13:39):
It's just the the adhesiveness. You know. You saw if
you look at the slow mo replay, just as Neighbors
is getting ready to do lift off, he's planting his
leg and then it just sticks. Yeah, just there's so
much traction, and you see his knee collapse and then
as mcl and then his ACL would have gone. I'm
one of those guys, you know, some of the scientists
say there's no linkage. It's sort's me be a teeny bit.
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I just say, there's no way there has to be
everyone's big or strong, or faster or more explosive on
sticky turf. It just there has to be an association.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
I completely agree.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
All right, last one here for you, Doc, and I
always appreciate the time. I want to ask you about
Drake green Law. They decided to shut him down and
just put him on short term IR, which I think
is probably the best for everybody. But is that a
reason for optimism or pessimism on your point that they
really could not get him ramped up.
Speaker 8 (14:30):
When when we all talked a month ago, I kept saying,
I'll be shocked if he can play this year. I
sure hope I'm wrong, And they kept talking about maybe
in a couple of weeks, and I kept saying, man,
I sure hope I'm wrong. And now now we're looking
at another four weeks of him being on the list.
I keep thinking, I sure hope I'm wrong, because I
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sure like his game and he'd be good for our defense.
But man, I still am so skeptical.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Okay, Doc, Shoulders Shoulder will get back out of next week.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I'm I'm believing in our bars.
Speaker 8 (15:02):
That's right. There, you go, Shoulder Shoulders Fellers.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
That is doctor Dave Schneider from Ortho, Colorado, part of
Common Spirit Health. Go to Orthoclorado dot org. We'll have
Nate Jackson and Shelby Harris coming up next.
Speaker 10 (15:16):
Good afternoon, Warrensville Height Elementary. This is Principal Shelby Harris, Principal. Man,
I'll tell you I like the name man, Principal Harris.
Get rocking about you get a raise. I'm the new
principal on Principal.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Harris, Principal Harris. Let's not nice ring to it? I mean,
can we uh?
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Is that like a nickname we can throw out there
on the field as well, Shelby.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
That's the future.
Speaker 10 (15:39):
That's the usually I always tell people when my mom
was a teacher. So for me, that's just you know,
that's in the blood.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Don did you sing for them? Because because you you
have a lot of futures, right. You want to be
a broadcast, you want to be a singer, you want
to be a principal.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
I mean, man, you got a family. It's a lot
of stuff.
Speaker 8 (15:57):
Man.
Speaker 10 (15:58):
Yeah, I'm so busy once I get on to that
next chapter of my life. So I gotta keep yourself busy.
I gotta keep you. You got to keep you know,
all the time that you have that you spend doing
football and stuff. Now after you retire, you gotta keep
all you got to spend that time doing other stuff.
Speaker 11 (16:17):
Shelby, what's up, Nate Jackson?
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Here?
Speaker 9 (16:19):
I got a question about what it's like for a
defensive player. And I know you guys are having, you know,
a quarterback change. Perhaps we don't know what's going on,
but what's it like for a defensive player in those
locker rooms when you're going through a quarterback change, when
there's chatter about that, you see.
Speaker 11 (16:32):
It in the media.
Speaker 9 (16:33):
Does that affect the way you guys handle business at all?
Speaker 10 (16:36):
No, because you think of it like this, Like I've
been a part obviously being in Denver those years when
we've really struggling on offense and you know, going back
and forth with who's going to be a quarterback? And
then you know, I've been around a couple of different
position battles like quarterback battles, and the one thing that
it just if you're already thinking of doing a change
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already tough from the defense, why is that? You know
what I mean? Like, because that obviously means that they're
not scoring, they're not doing what they're a busting. That's
why you're even thinking of changing in the first place,
you know what I mean. So that's why I saidizing
like it makes it. It's already means that it's a
tough road for the defense. But I always say that, like,
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you know, we we we've been on this chick about
complimentary football and about you know, in every phase of
the game, setting each other up. And I think that's
kind of more of what you're going to be looking
for than anything. It's who can compliment you even if
you're defense playing well, Who can complement your defense? If
I turn the ball over? Who can be you know,
the best such stead player where you know, we don't
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get a punn turn for a touchdown. You know, complimentary
football just like how just like you said, we get
stopped from defenses and then we pour from the punt.
That complimentary football and is just doing those little things
is really what it's going to take, no matter who
the quarterback is, in order to win.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
You I watched this game against the Lions this last week,
and you know, I think the final score is not
really indicative of how well your defense played. I mean,
you gave up only two hundred and seventy seven yards
to one of the best offenses in the game. I
mean they average four point nine yards per play, and
again they're super explosive. But you talk about complimentary football,
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and I think that's perfectly sums up that game because
it kind of got away from you because of some
bad situation, special teams and otherwise. But man, I listen
to a podcast today that they're going on and on
about how great your defense looks.
Speaker 10 (18:34):
Yeah, it's just you know, that's the issue though, no
matter how good your defense plays. You know, we both
multiple interceptions and then you have a punt return for
a touchdown. The percentages and the probabilities are not in
your favor. You know, we always talk about the percentages
of winning a game when you're plucked in a turnover margin,
But then imagine when your minus two plus and I
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would have punt return, and so you know, that's what
you know. That's why we keep harping this complimented football
team because it's going to take every side of the
ball to do it right in order to win. That
shows you how hard it is to win in the NFL.
And so that's why in the grand scheme of things
is great when you know people say, oh, defense wins championships,
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that's not true. You need everybody, all.
Speaker 9 (19:18):
Right, You guys are headed to London now, right man,
you're going there. Why do you guys set it out
because you're playing the Minnesota Vikings seven thirty am here.
Speaker 11 (19:27):
But talk a little bit about that trip.
Speaker 9 (19:30):
What's the schedule, Like what are the challenges on your
body as a player when you go overseas to play
a game.
Speaker 10 (19:37):
So we'll leave Wednesday night, like we'll leave tomorrow. We'll
have a full day here and then we'll leave tomorrow
and get their Thursday morning technically, and then the hard
part of the part obviously about any time you go
overseas is the jet lag. Because we're land in London
at around seven am, which will be I think one
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am Cleveland time, So it's that right there, you're already
behind the eight ball just trying to catch up with
the jet lag and trying to make sure you hydrated
because then pretty much what you have to do when
you go there, you have to go right into it,
because the one thing that say about jet lag is
like you pretty much have to go into their day
like as a normal day. You can't go and just
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take a nap. Yeah, So that's the thing. So we
get this seven and we go straight in the meeting,
like we going to go straight into like mobility and
meetings and stuff. You don't have a full day, and
then you got to have to like you're gonna be
tailing off at the end. But I guess the struggles
that come with traveling and doing these overseas games. And
I've said this before. I've said this before on the
podcast from girla Sports. I've said this before on multiple instances.
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If we're going to invest in this idea of international games,
there needs to be international facilities over there for these teams,
there needs to be international facilities where we can go
get the recovery and get all the stuff that we
get we're at home. Because obviously the NFL is going
full like going full on, which is international games and
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the international game. So now it's time to make the
real investment in it and put these facilities there for
players to get the best care when they're actually in
these different countries.
Speaker 9 (21:15):
So what are you able to not able to get
when you're there that you get here well?
Speaker 10 (21:20):
And I think with like, you know, the topics, you
got to find your own different type of stretchers. You
got to find that type of stuff, but you don't
get your cryos. Like every every facility is different in
the NFL. You know a lot of a lot of them. Know,
you have the saunas, your femaloms, you have cryo cryotherarapy,
you have hyperbaric chambers, you have red light beds where
it helps you get rid of information. You know, you
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have you have float tanks to help you get rid
of information. It's like every facility has all these different
modalities that help you really get ready for Sunday. And
so think of it like this for a team like
the Vikings who are coming from Ireland and already over
in London. They're there for a week. They're going two
weeks without their modalities and their recovery modalities and they're
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just going out there and just playing. So that right
there is the issue, don't you. If we're going to
have these games overseas, you want to put the best
product out there, and to be able to be able
to put the best product out there is to have
your body feeling the best possible, you know, feeling the
best it can when you're overseas.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Yeah, I guess Roger Goodell said the other day he
wants to have sixteen international games every year.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
He wants it to be basically every single week. So
that is coming.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
You're absolutely right, that is coming. Then the facilities are
going to be part of it. I don't know if
you caught any of the game last night, but I
just wanted to sort of chat with you for a
moment about when a game is that lopsided, and sometimes
that does happen, how much fun is that on the
defensive side of the ball, when the offense is kind
of doing what they're doing and you guys get a
chance to just basically play free.
Speaker 10 (22:49):
Well, I thought the whole game, and I'm going to
tell you on the defensive side of the ball for both sides,
and so being on the defensive side of the ball,
like the Broncos, that's great because you have a quarter
back back there. It doesn't even though he's he's out,
a rookie or anything like that doesn't have the most experience.
You know, they're they're they they're kind of dumbing down
the offense room, so he might hold the ball more.
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It's time to go hunt, time to go get those sacks,
time to go make those plays and show your word. Right,
they could have the past rushing time. And those are
the times you like when you know a team has
no rhythm, Like we saw that game that today. Cincinnati
looked terrible and and that's not not mincing words at all.
They looked terrible. They didn't even look like they really
want even wanted to be there. And that's perfect for
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the Broncos. So they went out there and they and
and they handled them. Now on the other side of
the ball, though, that could be the longest day of
your life because literally, like and then creditor Sean Payton,
the first hundred yard Rusher and his Broncos senior with JK. Dobbins.
But that's a long day because that just shows it's
literally like I had he played with five yards five yards.
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It's just a war on them. And you could just
tell that Cincinnati team was mentally beaten by the end
of the game.
Speaker 9 (23:59):
So you know, you follow the NFL at large, Shelby
and the Buffalo Bills are four and oh the Eagles
are four and oh.
Speaker 11 (24:06):
Do you think those are the two best teams in
the NFL?
Speaker 9 (24:08):
Any any other competitors you think are kind of making
a surge early at the quarter pole?
Speaker 10 (24:14):
Well, I don't see. This is the crazy thing about
this year. I don't think you can necessarily go off
for records. It just because we've had a lot of
good matchups early in the year. And I know everyone's worried,
like it's Baltimore really a one in three team, It's
Houston really a one in three team? Are the jobs
of three and one team? You know? I mean like
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that type of thay. But I would have to say, though,
you know, no matter what you have to go with undeatons,
somebody beat them. So you would have to say the
top teams, right now are are Philly and Buffalo. Nobody's
been able to beat them. And also think about the
teams they've played. They haven't played squreubs the first four weeks.
They've actually played some real competition and went out there
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and performed. So those those teams until if someone beats
the until someone the thrones them, because that's exactly everyone
was like, always going to be KC until somebody, you know,
beats them. Philly beat them, So now it's not Casey anymore.
We're talking about Philly, and then Buffalo still always is
teetering around right there. But man, this is what's good
for football. Though you wanted all these teams being close
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to the top, this is what you enjoyed.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Absolutely. And by the way, the AFC is a little
weird this year. I mean, I don't know what's gonna
happen with Baltimore. Sounds like Laura Jackson isn't gonna play
here for a couple of weeks. They're one and three.
Speaker 11 (25:29):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
That's what's so great about the league is every single
year we we find ourselves in this position where we
think what we know and and stuff happens and then
it ends up start of turning in us head, including
maybe a run for the Browns after they beat the
Vikings coming up on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Maybe the Brown's going a bit of a run, who knows, right.
Speaker 10 (25:46):
Hey, that's the goal, right, that's that's right, man. To
control what you can control.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Absolutely well, hey man, we always appreciate it. Thanks for
joining us for a few minutes. Best of luck not
only travels, but also on Sunday versus the viks.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
We'll check in with you next week.
Speaker 10 (26:04):
I appreciate the fellows.
Speaker 11 (26:05):
Thanks Shelby.
Speaker 10 (26:06):
All Right, Principal Harris brings the good. It's important. You
can't do anything in life, but if you don't go
to school every day and me take advantage of those opportunities.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
That's right, Principal Harris.
Speaker 11 (26:17):
It's a good nickname.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Do you have a nickname on the field?
Speaker 10 (26:21):
Nah? No.
Speaker 9 (26:22):
Some people used to call me jack Nasty right, because well,
I made music, I made hip hop music.
Speaker 11 (26:30):
And my name is Nate. They called me nasty night.
Speaker 9 (26:32):
And then my last name is Jackson, and so there
was kind of a melding of different nicknames.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
There was that more of a post.
Speaker 10 (26:38):
No.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
That was while I was playing well every playing okay,
and even actually before uh.
Speaker 9 (26:42):
Yeah, well I brought it here to Denver, issue, right, Okay,
and so some of my some of my teammates still
call me that.
Speaker 11 (26:48):
Okay, Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
Is that a nickname that you liked because somebody okay, okay,
because sometimes.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
You get a nickname and you're like, all right, you
guys gotta keep calling me this. I know you are,
but I can't do anything about it.
Speaker 10 (26:58):
Uh.
Speaker 9 (26:59):
You seen the movie Baked. There's a character called Nasty
Night in that few times. It's not the most flattering
of comparisons. But because he was an inmate, he was, yeah,
in a local prison that tormented their buddy who was
locked up. They were trying to get him out. They
were trying to raise enough money to get him out.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Yeah, because he killed the horse, that's right.
Speaker 11 (27:20):
I wasn't on an accident.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Well it was an accident.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
It's a diabetic horse.
Speaker 11 (27:25):
Yeah. You So you're more familiar with this film than
I thought you might be.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
That's why a few times, the fact that I could
recall as munch of it as I had is actually
more of the remarkable thing. Because in high school, you
know what, I'll stop right there, really good stuff there
from Shelby R's well. Rod Smith joining us here about
fifteen minutes. Nate Jackson is studio. All right, man, what'd
you think of the game?
Speaker 10 (27:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (27:46):
I thought it was I thought it was much needed.
Broncos looked really good both sides of the ball. Yes,
the the Bengals were bad. Shelby mentioned it. You know,
they looked like they didn't want to be out there.
Speaker 11 (27:56):
The reps really loved throwing those flags around.
Speaker 9 (27:59):
Uh, you know, they opened up a new theme park
called twenty six Flags. But but, but the Broncos shouldn't
apologize for any of that stuff. I mean, they took
care of business and some of the things that we
were worried about or talked about. You know, Bo setting
his feet, he cleaned that up a lot. You know,
establishing the running game, they did that. Letting it a guy,
letting the personnel groups kind of stay on the field
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and establish a rhythm.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
They did that.
Speaker 9 (28:22):
And what that tells me is that Sean Payton is
open to changing his plan a little bit and to
listening to his players and figuring out what works. I
know that he has like something like a thirty and
thirty September record, but his October record's like fifty seven
and thirteen or something like that.
Speaker 11 (28:35):
That tells me this.
Speaker 9 (28:36):
Is a coach who knows how to adapt, who knows
how to listen to the players figure out what's working.
And so I think this is a really good sign
that the Broncos were able to dominate their opponent like that.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
Well, one of the things, for example, we talked about
it a bit earlier with Dave is that having the
running backs in for series, why not like rotating in
and now something that I know you've talked about a lot.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I've talked about Rod.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Smith, who's gonna be joining us here, has talked a
lot about it. It felt like the content shifting of personnel.
Though you might throw the defense your opponents off guard
a little bit because they've got a match, you can
sometimes also throw yourselves off right the offense they're trying
to get used to things, and especially for running backs
who are trying to build up a bit of a
ladder who build up some rhythm there and boy watching
(29:19):
jk And as well as R Jane and Day pointed
this out in the first hour that that's kind of
the first moment where you sort of saw what the
plan was going to be what the plan is supposed
to be at the running back position and how those
guys are supposed to operate as sort of interchangeable parts.
And the beauty of this is both of them can
catch out of the backfield. Both of them I think,
do a pretty decent job in pass pro and then
(29:40):
then of course both of them run tough. And there
were some really nice moments I thought out of both
running backs as they sort of complimented not only the running,
but it's also the passing game.
Speaker 11 (29:50):
Yeah, there's an art to it. It's not a science.
Speaker 10 (29:52):
You know.
Speaker 9 (29:52):
You got to figure like, if you want to use
two running backs in a game and make them both effective.
Speaker 11 (29:56):
It's not easy to do.
Speaker 9 (29:57):
And you have to figure out the rhythm and and
what conditions they thrive in, and take into account that
all running backs like to stay on the field and
get the ladder going. I mean, you see a running
back get a nice run, and what he does the
feed me thing. He doesn't mean bring me off the
field and give me some chili because I'm hungry.
Speaker 11 (30:13):
He means keep giving me the ball. They all want that, right,
And so I think JK.
Speaker 9 (30:18):
Dobbins was able to get in that rhythm and show
what he can do when he does that. And as
the season goes on, RJ. Harvey is going to get
more and more and more involved. But I think it's
a great sign and it takes pressure off both too,
and does you know, and both look comfortable back there,
and so whatever they did, they're going to diagnose exactly
what they did to make that happen and.
Speaker 11 (30:36):
Look like that they want to try to repeat that.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Well, that's the goal, right And somebody asked me on
the text line earlier about why they left the offense
in late I was like, I honestly, I think it's
just to continue to build those reps. And again, the
game was decided. By the time they scored that last touchdown,
it had been decided. The Bengals were done. They were
tapping out for the all part. I mean, he was
just pretty evident that they really wanted to get out
(30:59):
of there. But still, I think for the offense to
fill the rhythm of running the ball and dominating the
line of scrimmage and then again, you know, finding moments
of just you know, building that confidence and building the rapport,
I think that those are very valuable. It's valuable really
in all fascets, and you got a tough matchup coming
(31:20):
up against the Eagles. It's not like you're thinking about
that in that moment, but you are thinking big picture.
You are thinking about, Okay, what have we done up
to this point on offense as we're trying to decide
and figure out what our ultimate identity is.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
And I think you saw a side of that last night.
Speaker 11 (31:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (31:36):
I think when you you know, when you're an offensive
coach like Sean Payton, who has a muscle memory of
putting up crazy numbers. And for the years he was
in New Orleans number one, number two offense every year.
So what he did last night, he's used to doing
it in New Orleans. He smells blood in the water.
He wants to attack, and one wants to create that
muscle memory in his players of not being satisfied with
a three or four point win.
Speaker 11 (31:54):
We want to blow these teams out.
Speaker 9 (31:56):
We want to stomp on him and make him cry
and go home feeling horrible about themselves. That's the type
of ego that offensive coaches in particular have. They want
to hang fifty on you. They're not satisfied with twenty
one to three and.
Speaker 11 (32:07):
Running out the clock.
Speaker 9 (32:09):
They want to put as much up there as possible
because they know that the players start to fall into
that mentality and momentum as well. He wants bo Nicks
to step on the field every day and believe he's
going to put up forty five on his opponent.
Speaker 11 (32:21):
Not that I hope we find a way to win.
Speaker 9 (32:23):
I mean when the Peyton Manning years here, we're pretty
special because you knew they were going to go out
and light up the scoreboard. Sean Payton wants to instill
that in his players. That's why they stayed out there. Well,
that kind of confidence. I mean, obviously we saw what
it looked like with Peyton Manning and we're a little
ways away from that. Clearly, you think, yeah, almost, but
it's a.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Belief, right, and it's it's sort of what Peyton Manning
as a future Hall of Famer and a multi time
MVP represented and when he was on the field, what
it meant to the opposing defense and what it meant
to the guys in the huddle. Yeah, and even the
guys on the sideline that are watching the defensive players,
special teams and otherwise everybody.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Everybody's kind of dialed in again like that, that's the
sheriff out there. I mean, what is he going to
be able to do?
Speaker 4 (33:04):
And you're right, Bo, he's got a ways to go
to is still that kind of thing, But I do
think that maybe not as close to future Hall of
Fame conversation, but a level of confidence that makes you
formidable week in and week out. I mean, we're talking
about a team that hasn't scored less than twenty points
so far for this season. I remember last year by
(33:24):
week four they won ten to nine versus the Jets.
Last year, we were like, man, this may take a while,
and they had kind of an offensive explosion against Tampa Bay,
but that felt like a blip.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
And honestly, as the season.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
Wore on, there were moments where you're like, as, it's
still not great and you're not producing at the level
of confidence that you need to or at least showing
up like.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
That every single week.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
But I think through the first four games, through all
of some inconsistency, certainly nine first downs versus the Chargers
is not good enough, and you had a lot of
thre renouns, but they still found some explosive plays. They
still hung in there. And they are having some offensive output.
So I think we are approaching I don't know you
agree with this. We're approaching a baseline of what we
(34:06):
can expect from the offense.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Is that fair?
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (34:08):
I think so, like a positive one, not a negative,
not a oh my god. We a baseline of they
could get shut out. I don't think we're anywhere near that.
Speaker 9 (34:18):
Has Sean Payton never been shut out? Oh boy, he
would know. Yeah, he would No.
Speaker 11 (34:23):
I think that.
Speaker 9 (34:23):
Look, every every year is a new team. They added
two new running backs on this team, right and JK.
Dobbins alluded to it after the game when he was
speaking at the podium in a in an unsanctioned logoed shirt, which,
as uniform inspect I didn't appreciate. But the words that
he spoke I did, and that was that Sean is
starting to understand us. He's starting to understand what we
(34:46):
do best, and he's starting to put us in that
position you start understand the offensive line better, and he's
starting to understand H. R.
Speaker 11 (34:52):
J better. It takes some time. It's a September thing.
It's what's happening here. He knows it.
Speaker 9 (34:57):
And and by the way, in December January February. No
one's going to remember September. We're going to remember how
they finish, and that's really it. Although you just did
point out a memory from September of last year. But
for the most part, it's how many wins and losses
do you have at the end of the season, and
your ability to figure this out on offense and get
Bow into his rhythm connecting with his guys is going
(35:19):
to determine that it.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
Was a positive memory. They won and Boenix's first touchdown.
Speaker 11 (35:24):
Pass, Yeah, that's true, that's true.
Speaker 8 (35:26):
This is positive.
Speaker 11 (35:27):
But you know what I mean.
Speaker 9 (35:27):
I mean, yeah, I mean, these guys are just getting
cooking here, and I think, you know the Marvin Mims
having the game he had, I mean, he's the X
factor on offense. Cortland Sutton is your steady guy. I
would throw the ball to Courtland first play of every
game like I would with Rod Smith.
Speaker 11 (35:42):
He's coming in here in a minute.
Speaker 9 (35:43):
But Marvin Mims is the guy who I think if
you activate him, it creates an element on your offense
that you really miss when you don't get him involved
out of the backfield throwing the ball down the field.
You see how excited he gets right because he has
that inside of him. And when he and when he
doesn't get to release that, there's that tension too that
exists when a guy like him isn't involved. And so
(36:06):
you know, and Troy Franklin continues to uh, they they.
Speaker 11 (36:09):
Want him involved.
Speaker 9 (36:10):
They're doing they're creating opportunities for him, and so there's
only one ball to go around.
Speaker 11 (36:14):
You got to find that rhythm, and I think they
did last night.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Yeah, they're pretty much pretty good shape with all that, right,
And like last night somebody's asking like, well, why isn't
Pat Bryant more involved? It's like, well, once you go
from Carland Sudden, Marvin Mims, Troy Franklin, and Evan Ingram,
who's obviously just scratching the surface there, plus the running
backs getting out of the backfield, Yeah, yeah, you're you're
pretty far down. So maybe he's going to catch a
pass here and there in a stray game, But for
(36:38):
the most part, Pat Bryant is more of an investment
in the long term of the offense, like there's gonna
be a bigger role for him maybe later this season,
but into next year, in the year year after that.
It was the same situation really for Marvin Mims, right.
I mean, he was a special teamer his his first
year with the Broncos very only used as as the
gadget guy, and even last year a little.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Bit more of the gadget guy early on.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
As the season got late, he got into a bigger
role and now we're seeing sort of the fruits of that.
Speaker 9 (37:05):
But there's a development process to this, isn't it. Yeah,
it's the rookie thing. I mean, it's an offensive skill
position rookie thing. To me, it's rare that a running
back or receiver tight end is going to come in
right away and contribute on offense. Now it does happen,
and you're seeing it here and there. But for a
guy like Sean Payton, whose schemes are pretty complex and
has a specific idea of where he wants guys to
be and how he wants to use him, to me,
(37:26):
it takes rookies a little while to fall into that.
Pat Bryant's is a good example of that. Evan Ingram,
you know, My concerns with Evan Ingram is everything you
see for him is underneath. It's just like short cross
shallow cross spot route, Like he's not hitting the scene,
he's not running down the middle of the field and
he has you know, I know he's a little banged up,
but I want to.
Speaker 11 (37:44):
See him split the safeties.
Speaker 9 (37:45):
I want to see him use the tight end that
way because the seams can be taken advantage of when
when you have a tight end with his skill set,
a joker that was brought in for that purpose.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
He's not.
Speaker 9 (37:54):
He wasn't brought in to be the joker and run
just little shallow crosses all day.
Speaker 11 (37:58):
But you know, he is on the wrong side.
Speaker 9 (37:59):
Of third and he's been banged up, and so you
got to feel for him in that regard. I think
if you're able to unlock him vertically as well as horizontally,
he's gonna add even another dimension to this offense.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
And Nate Jackson with us. Rod Smith joins as in
studio next
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