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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Big thory is always better. We're gonna have a great show.
It calls the victim man. Nathan Jackson is up in
the house. Yeah, appreciate, appreciate having Nate up. And I
was looking for Nick's car. Now didn't se Nick's car
because I rode my bike over today. Now coming here
in Nate's here. So I'm like, oh, this even better.
So Nick, Nick, I'm telling you, Nick, You're on the bubble.
Nick's even better. It is even better.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yeah, n You know when I when I got traded
here in the middle of two thousand and three in
the middle camp, and I got put right next to Rod,
like our lockers, right next to you, dude, watch him
go to work every day, and uh, you know, all
this young receivers looked up to Rod, and Rod showed us,
showed us the way.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Was he a good mentor he was the best? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah, you're not saying because he's in the studio around
on and off the field. Man, he actually cared about No,
I did you know he cared about us as people
didn't want us to make mistakes out in the world.
I mean, obviously football is important to Rod. No, nobody
did it better, but he also want to see us
thrive off the field, and so he would do stuff like,
you know, have a money meeting where he would have
all the rookies come in and uh and sit in
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front of I mean, he would tell us about you know.
I remember this one in particular because I had bought.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
A brand new Danali that week. I was my first
week on.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
The practical cud right, yeah, at.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
A little bit presumptuous, right, So that next week where
I'd had a meeting and he's like, if you if
you buy a fifty thousand dollars car, it's not just
your signature, it's this. And he had a bag and
he pulled out fifty thousand dollars cash and put it
on the table and I was like, yo, you could
have done that last week ro I signed on the
dotted line.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Stuff like that. He did good.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
The great thing is when I hear this story, I
smiled because he was listening.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Charlie Adams, I mean all.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Those guys, I mean from Chris Cole, these guys, and
he coaches with Detroit.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Now herb is great people.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
But Scotty Montgomery, oh yeah, Scotty's actually a coach with
the Detroit. So I've been you know, Texans Scotty because
they've been playing really well least few years for sure.
So Scotty's gonna be one of those guys that come
up the next thing, you know, he's gonna be a
high position coach or you know, poly head coach in
the league.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Pret But not to pump Rod's tires.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
But I wanted a little bit because we're going to
talk about the game. But there's also you know, there's
also sometimes older players, veteran players, guys with status, they
don't want to help the young guys.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
You know, they don't want to show you the little stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
They don't want to pay attention to what you're doing
and give you little tips to think.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
About to improve your game.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
But Rod was always watching us and the things we're
doing and trying to give us little things to help
us get better.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
I mean, there's so much when you're running routes.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
There's so much you're doing that you don't realize you're
doing with your body, control, the way you're leaning, where
your eyes are going, your shoulders, all that stuff. And Rod,
you know, had been studying this for so many years
at such a high level. He had so much wisdom
to impart, and he did. He shared it with all
of us and allowed us to get better.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
There's let me ask you something on that rod for
a second, because most of the time in the league,
guys are brought in to take your job. At least
that's the perception of, Hey, I'm happy you're getting your
opportunity in the league, but stay out of my way,
don't take my reps. So why did you take that
approach with other players?
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Because no one really did it for me. And I
had some great guys. They were great people and I
and I always feel they felt me like I was
a threat. I was the eleventh guy my rookie year,
I was the left of receiver. So and I'm on
the practice squad and these guys are working every day
and no one really sat down and showed me how.
Speaker 6 (03:12):
To do it.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Vance advance advance Vance.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Johnson showed me a little stuff and uh, but other
than that, I said, you know what, when I get
to that point, I'm never going to do that to
those guys because I want them to live out their
dreams like me. And plus my mentality was you still
ain't gonna take my job.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
So that was the goal.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
The goal was I had to work hard. If I'm
teaching them all the stuff.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
I don't so the team better, right, Yeah, No, I
think it was when they.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
When he he capt sat down, he scored me. I'm
I'm fired up. I remember when I still remember when
what's his name?
Speaker 6 (03:42):
Man?
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Uh dang it? Running back Kyle Kyle.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Johnson scored the first touchdown. He does this crazy Bronco
dance the ball. I go get the ball for him
and brought it to him. I said, dude, this is
your first one. He forgot about it. I said, but no,
this is your first one. I said, you got to
keep this one. If you don't, you can spike the.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Rest of them.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Him in the stand and uh, you know, Kyle to
to day, he still we know, we still.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Talk about that. That's pretty awesome.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
One more thing, because you know, receivers catch the football, right,
that's what they're judged on their catches or receptions or
yards or Rod valued blocking run blocking more than anybody
and instilled that in us. And so you know, the
difference between a five yard run and a fifty yard
run is what a receiver blocking.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
And we couldn't even be on the field at all.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
If we weren't gonna give the effort in the running game,
that was more important honestly than catching the football.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
But we saw that last night too. We saw we
saw a.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Receiver, uh with Ryan Yeah yeah, and to me, you see,
ma'ams take this jet sweep and if that guy doesn't
crack that a great block, wasn't that what a cheap shot?
Caught him real nice, gave him and gave him enough
room for him to get to ends and typrope downside
line for a test. Now, And that's the little stuff
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that I think sometimes you think it's about just catching
passing is not.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Yeah, we.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Okay, yeah, well we actually have them breaking that play
down the broncoswee that out yesterday.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Is really cool, okay.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
But honestly, that that that is such as a mindset, right,
and it's coaching. But your rookie, you're coming into the league,
You're trying to make your mark on the team, and
maybe that's that's your role of that game. I mean,
and certainly you have to bring those kinds of personalities
into the locker room as well.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah, and it's gonna be different personalities, but that you
have different personalities, but we need to have one mentality,
and that's for us to win games. It not was
the same way. It and I got it together. I
mean it and I was on the bench at the
same time. We was out there just getting your leaders,
trying to knock people on their tail because we wasn't
getting any passes. Next thing, you know, Coachhanan gets rid
of the first two starters and it starting. So we
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actually took that different approach to the guys who came
with us, But we didn't say you were behind us
like he always said. You just want to play away
from getting in the game. And so we wanted to
make sure that as a team that we were able
to be successful if one of us came off the field.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
So what did you think about last night?
Speaker 1 (05:57):
You know, I, you know what, I I just have
this one thing. I mean, I I saw no it's
but it's a legit. I think JK Dobbins he's stay
on the field a little bit more. I think I think,
I know j looked great, but I'm saying this man's
a starter.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
He can catch the ball at the backfield.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
He runs great, and when we get the short yards,
he should be in the game.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
And we run downhill.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Every time we try something tricky on thirty short, and
you can look it up.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Every time we try something wide outside on thirty short.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
The defense are too big and fast, and that guy
runs downhill like some of the great running backs I
block for all these years here in Denver, and I
love the way he He's got a little stutter to him,
but when he sees that hole, he's boom, He's gone.
And we got about three hundred million dollars off his line. Dude,
let's use him up front. And they're playing very well,
giving us some giving us some looks. But I just
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think he can do everything as the back, and he
don't need to come off. And when he comes off,
you can almost you're starting to get to the point
when you can. But it's Harvey and just two of
them now instead of three, and you can almost start
predicting the type of play that's gonna be called.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Boys are out on that. I'll say I'll say this.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
I mean JK. Dobbins is fourth in the league in
rushing right now, kill and he and we're acting like
sixteen carries is like some crazy like that exactly like
imagine what he would do with twenty twenty five four
one oh.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
One, dude, Not everybody's built like TD guy.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
It's not his You know what I said. I said
all the guys I blocked for. I didn't mention TD.
Every guy blocked for They have their own unique spit
skills and talents.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
He has a unique skill in talent. To me, he's
a every down back.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
He don't come out the field off the field unless
he's tired, if he needs a breather or something like that.
It's a long drive, that's different. But I just see
that that guy is a spark plug for us. He
blocks very well in the passing game. He does all
that stuff. And I'm just saying for me, when you
got that type of back, and I get you can
switch it up every now and then with the other guy,
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but I would let I would. I honestly think it's
a it's a disservice to the team when he comes
off the field. Nothing against Harvey, I just that's just
what I feel. I just I like him that much
as a bat. We haven't had that kind of running
game and the fact that the coach can dial it up, Well,
you got a guy who can trust like that. You
got to dial it up and keep teams off balance.
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I just think we don't have the identity on third
and short. We try something crazy and new on third
and short, and that's getting us off the field. When
I'm gonna be like, hey, you know what, my guy
here's having seven yards carry.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
It thirty two thirty one. It's thirty and a half
a yard. I'm not doing nothing.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
On quarterback snake, well, I'm giving him ball the JK
Dobbins on the opposite side of we're strong, right, he's
running left down here, one guy's not getting it, stopping
that guy.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
From getting the yard at two. Well, on that, I
agree with you. On the third short, I think I
probably would have JK. Dobbins in there. But the plan,
at least ostensibly because first of all, JK. Dobbins has
never played a full season his entire time in his
playing career, He's never played a full season.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Most of us never played a full season. Most of
us miss the game every year.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
That's fair foroy, But he's got he's got some serious
injury history, right, Achilles, acl so on and so forth.
But the point of it is is Sean laid this
out from the very beginning saying we want to manage
these guys in a way that we can utilize both
of them all the way through the year. And so
if you burn JK. Dobbins too early in the season,
well then it's the RJ. Harvey and Tyler Bidet show
and you may not be as effective. I don't.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I don't see that. I think I think the way
you read into that is different. I think my opinion
is different. You say he wants to make sure you
use them both.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Why does man K.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Stay in for three four five carries straight before he
comes off.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
With two or three breaks?
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Well, last night and one in one. Now I see
him doing this. He's on a field, he's off the field.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
He's on a field of the personnelity. He's like the
second and six and this is my place for second
and six.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
And it's almost like he's not he's not a guy
for second and six and or whatever. And but I
just that's just just my overall take. I think we
were hell of a lot better on first down, oh
night and day.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
On first down.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Now you can do some stuff, play action pass at
your works when you can run the.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Football, yeap.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
One of the things we were talking about before and
eight was just the matchup with.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
The Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
We talked about it last week, and then of course
you saw a play out I mean, five hundred and
twelve yards of offense, right.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
I think we all thought there was an advantage here.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
The Broncos offense should find a way to produce, but
they actually have to go out there and do that.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
This was a very impressive performance.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Is actually it's the first time since twenty fifteen that
the Broncos have had a three hundred yard passer and
one hundred yard rusher as well in the same game,
which is pretty wild. But the thing that I think
some Broncos fans are wondering after the fact is was
that performance from the Broncos offense more of an indication
of how bad Cincinnati is or the Broncos figuring out
some things.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
I think it can be both, and it was both, because,
you know, one of the things they did figure out
was give JK the ball a little bit more. You know,
they've been moving in and out, in and out, and
they did allow him to stay on the field for
a series and then har J Harvey for a series.
I agree with Rod that the more JK Dobbins the better.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
RJ.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Harvey to me, these rookies late in the sea and
they'll come on, but right now, early in the first
half of the season, lean on your veterans that JK.
Dobbins is the guy who's playing the best right now.
And then you know Cortland Sutton and getting him involved
early quick pass stuff. He's your steady, you know, he's
your Rod Smith. To me, a guy who's going to
be reliable, who's going to be in the right spot,
is going to make the tough catches. And then Marvin
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Mimms getting Marvin Mims involved, and so so I think
that they stumble, you know, not.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Stumble, but that's the formula to me. You know JK.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Dobbins, Cortland Sutton and then mix it up with Marvin
Mims and sometimes if you can get the tight ends involved, great,
but established a run and keep these guys on the field.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
Marvin Mimms is really impressive to me, Rod because he's
a guy that we were talking about a moment ago, Like,
he gets into the league and he's a special teams guy.
He's a power return, kick return guy, sparingly, very sparingly
on offense.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Then he moves up to the gadget guy role.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
I mean, and again, he was a he was a
full time receiver there at Oklahoma State.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
He was a dude there.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
And then now in the back half of last year
and into this year, you're starting to see more of that.
But still once in a while he's the Hey, we're
gonna we're gonna throw the bubble screen, We're gonna get
you on the reverse, We're gonna get you on the
Jets sweep, and and he still has to accept that role.
That for me is impressive because I imagine as a
guy that has run a full route tree and been
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that duke in a wide receiver run for a team
in college, that's that's a tough thing.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
To accept, absolutely because and that's what I said going
into this year, was him getting a chance as well
as Franklin. These guys running rounds, you know what I'm saying,
Especially for Mems, I think he's handled it excellent because
you just he just won of those guys. To me,
I always look at the guys as if I want
to play with him. He's a guy I would want
to play with. You know, how he plays football. He
don't care what you ask him to do, he goes
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out there, he does it extremely well. He's not getting
as many opportunities I believe he should get, but he's
taking advantage of the opportunity that he does get. And
so that's always a plus. And and so just seeingim,
you know, like you said about Cortland, I just I
just take my hat off to him because he's playing
with that big body.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
He's using it like a basketball player.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
He's shielding guys off, actually making guys miss and turn
the ball upfield and getting what he can get making
a tough catch.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
And I think these young guys need to lean on that.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
I think Franklin leads to lean on him and get
that mentality because he had some opportunities there for him.
You know, he had a great game earlier in the season.
But you gotta be consistent when you're in that third receiver.
I used to be that third receiver back in the day,
and I knew I wasn't gonna get as many reps.
I wasn't gonna get in many passes on my way,
but the ones I get, I have to make them
count because if I make them.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Count, you know what happens.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I get more and that's for those guys, those guys
who were uh, because we don't want him to get
just zoned in.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
We want a feature Corland.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
But you can also move him in the formations, in
your different packages and stuff like that. That's how you
get That's how you get the ball to the person
that you want to. I learned that from watch coach Kobyak.
Coach Kobeak when Eddie Mack went down one year, I
got a whole group of young receivers and I played
every freaking position.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
But you know what, my guys handled their business. Nate
was on that team. Was you on a team when
it was when Eddie Mack went.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Down two thousand and three? Or is this well he
broke leg in like tw two thousand and one or something.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Oh so yeah, he was done. He wasn't even there yet.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
No, his last year was my first year though.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Okay, yeah, no, So we we had a bunch of
young guys man uh, and they stepped up. They did
their thing. I'm moving and motioning and doing all the
stuff that Ed would do. And so we know coach
is very smart and can get creative and and some
of it's just I know, understanding personnel but you can
keep those same guys on the field and change their
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change up the formations in order to get defense to
be in the position that you want them.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah, Troy, Troy Franklin seems to sometimes get caught with
his hands and weird positions, like he had one yesterday.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Both of them were the same way.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yeah, I looked at it that instead of instead of
really opening himself up and squeezing it like that.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
You know.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Obviously those he can't see what I'm doing, but he's
but he's pinky to pinky's like trying to catch it
like it's over his shoulder when it's not over his shoulder,
that's coming out of like this, and you do that.
Jerry Rice used to do that. But it's a hard
it's hard to catch it like that. You don't have
a lot of strength there. You want to really turn and.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
Grab it, you know. And he seems gets caught with
his hands in weird positions.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah, you know. And when I'm up in the of course,
I'm up in the booth, up in the up in
the box and there, Oh my god, he was scared.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
I said, dude, you're gonna get hit anyway. Yeah, exactly,
Here's one.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Thing about its gonna happen on the football field, is
that balls anywhere near you. It's hot potato and everybody's
trying to get it. But you gotta make that tough catch.
Here's how here's the reason why I want him to
make the tough catch. Not because I want the fifty
whatever bomb that that was and plus the other play.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
He's gonna earn the respect of his teammates.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
That is the most important thing because soon as they
get he get the trust from them, and the coach
trusts him. Hey, listen, the guy ain't getting three botts
throwing his way a game. Three or four balls a game,
and he's making the best of the three or four
that he gets. You know what, I'm gonna freeing out
of the way to do get in five.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
That's what.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
That's why I wanted to see Marvin running routes because I.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Know you can do it. Uh, see him get the
chance to catch the ball. What he did, run the
Jets sweeps, see what he did.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
But that short passing game is I think we don't
have an intermedi pass game between five and twelve yards.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
We don't have it.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
And you saw Courtland catches one on the boat had
a pumping a little bit and Courland Steel play big
body guy, it juke.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
The guy went up.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Field for another fifteen eighteen yards. And but that's what
shortyardist does. It keeps your first downs, second third down
a supermangible when you can get those quick passes catching
defenses off guard, and you don't have to switch your
personnel to do that. You don't have to take Dobbin's
out and put R. J. Harvey in to throw a
quick passing game. But that's what we do when we're
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gonna do a skint of a gadget or or a
screen or something like that. Why is Dobbins not in
the game? That's the part I don't.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Yeah, then it's a read for the defense, and they
allow them to reset every time, you you know, instead
of like, oh, we just gashed him for seven or
eight yards, let's keep the same guys on the field
and keep going instead of the instead you bringing a
holy personnel group, you allow them to substitute and reset
instead of taking advantage of the unit you just gashed
and keeping the foot on the gas.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
Let me ask you that it's something real quick. You
brought up country Franklin and where he was trying to
catch the ball. How does Bow next do at ball
placement for wide receivers to make a play on the
ball and then maybe turn a field. You mentioned Cortland
Sudden being able to do that a couple of times,
but there were also a couple moments where he had
to kind of go back behind himself as well.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
So how does Bow, generally speaking do on ball placement.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
I think I think he's doing pretty good. And uh,
you know what, I was sitting there talking to John
Elway a few years ago when we had Teddy Bridgewater,
and uh, I forgot who else was the quarterback?
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Drew Lock. That's exactly what it was.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
It was Drew Lock and and Teddy Bridgewater and John
and I were sitting there watching him, and I was
talking about quarterback timing and and and John said, because
Drew Lock's arm was extremely much stronger than Teddy Bridgewater.
But Teddy threw a better catchable ball. He threw it early,
he threw it touch, he threw you open anticipation, and Drew,
because of maybe it was lack of experience, will wait
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until you open in driven. And so with Bow, he's
going to get better as he gets as he gets going.
Sometime when the ball's behind you is to protect you
get hit in your face if he throws. John used
to always tell us, if I throw the ball behind you,
don't turn the other way. He's throwing you away from
the defender. That's what good quarterbacks do. I think the
placement of the passes that he had, and the ones
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he had in the game for the most part, were
you know, one of us on the shallow cross was
a little bit behind him and even though it was
open on the outside. You want that out there, but
he can still guy still out there. But for the
quarterback to throw it behind you, it's a protection mechanism.
But I think some of the ones that Franklin miss
with those you have to have those. The placement of
those balls were perfect. You just got to go into it, get.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Your body on it. Me.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
I want to wrap that ball around my body right
that way because I'm going to get hit, but my
body's gonna protect that sucker from coming out. Because either way,
whatever's gonna happen is going to happen. But we're finna
get this forty five fifty yards or whatever it is,
and I can come off the field because I'm not
the guy that plays every down, you see what I'm saying,
So those moments are very key. But I think his
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placement right now is better than it was last year,
and it's only gonna get better because he's gonna start
having that anticipation he gonna throw them open instead of
waiting til the get open. Because he throws the ball.
It looked like you're throwing them ball hard like cause
you listen to what Nate was saying about. People can't
see of course, with the pinkies and the thumbs. The
reason why you want to get those thumbs together and
grab the ball versus when you have their pinkies together,
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your fingers are let lot less strength and less strengthen
the fingers. That football, as he's throwing these missiles is
going right through there if you don't squeeze it. You
gotta practice that a lot on the judge machine all with.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Them quarterbacks and some of the you know, maybe misthrowers
are about miscommunication with receivers like him thinking they're gonna
move through his own and they actually sit down right.
So you saw that in the last couple of weeks.
Actually the first drive of last week they went three
and out. Lucas Krawl sat downs right and.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Then he he he.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
You know he missed the throw because he thought he
was gonna keep moving. So how much of that is
understanding the offense being on the same page as receivers.
Once they can figure out exactly where they're supposed to
be and have that connection, the throws will.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Be even more accurate.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Rod Smith's studio Nature Act as well. Have you got
another segment with us? Sure?
Speaker 5 (20:01):
All right, I gotta ask you about A. J. Brown
and so of the stuff that he's doing and his frustrations.
We'll get to that next.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
They bring mems in motion hand between the jet sweep,
mems inside, the ten mems inside, the five Marvin mems
to the gold line touchdown Denver sixteen yard jet sweep
and mems got a good block outside.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Yeah, easy money, baby, easy money. I don't like it.
It was either it was either him with you. I
told him that you appreciate it. I appreciate it. Gotta
look at this. Come on, coom you you would running
love too bad. I don't try to celebrate with you.
Come on, like we practice, baby, I appreciate that. Anything
from the boy, love to see the gods score.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
It's fresh one for you.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
It was amazing.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Light's real right, had a little rain of lake, but
we came out there, got this.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Ve that was great. Think it was a lot of toys.
They say, is into it. So as long as they're
in there playing ourself. I love that no block, no rob.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
I love the conversation that that little Mike conversation of hey,
I gotta get my man free. I gotta he said, dude,
I'm trying to celebrate when you run it too fas
I can't. That's the part that's cool when your guys
care so much about the team and you know they
gonna get the moments when you when you work with
them mentally.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
We got Rod Smith's studio and Nate Jackson the studio
Broncos Country Tonight coming up at the top of the hour.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
That was a cool moment.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
And again Pat Bryant, I mean, if hey find a
way to impact right, find a way to do something
for the game, and that touchdown doesn't happen without him.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Yeah, and and you know what he's getting told that
in meetings.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I mean, he's nothing a receiver coach likes more than
a nice block.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
They likely when you.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Make a nice catch can't touchdown, but they really love
it when you when you bust your ass in the
running game and you make a nice block, and Sean
Payton's gonna love it too. They're gonna give him his
flowers for that and and this. Those are the moments
you can kind of hang your hat on. I want
to ask you guys about Aj Brown. The Broncos are
gonna play the Eagles this week, and I mean, it's
a big game. This is gonna it's gonna be a
fun game to watch.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
Eagles are four and oh, but offensively, they they're really
not clicking on all cylinders. I mean, for example, here
as far as the rating goes, the Eagles offense total
offense is thirtieth right now in the league.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Is that right? And they're four and oh?
Speaker 4 (22:14):
That's pretty well.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
I'll tell you something. They win games. They know how
to close. They're closers. They are closers like the Chiefs
last year.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
I mean they were that's exactly right.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
But Aj Brown, after a game where he was targeted
nine times, he had two catches for nine yards, he
tweeted out, if you're not welcomed, not listen to quietly withdraw,
don't make a scene, shrug your shoulders.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
And be on your way. Wasn't that a quote? It was?
Speaker 5 (22:44):
Yeah, who said that? I think it's the Bible. Actually, yeah, no, no,
it's it's it's him posting about it. But again, you
guys are both wide receivers, and of course you make
your living off of getting the ball, right, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I mean when you say you say he's targeted nine times,
are these nine capable passes? That's my thing because sometimes
you can throw the ball away in that guy's area
and they say he's targeted, he's the target and so
all these catchable passes. A. J. Brown is one of
the best, one of the most physical gifted receivers in
the NFL.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
And there's no way with the smartest. Their coach is
Coach Sarianni is one of.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Those guys you can dial up whoever you want to
get that football in that offense that they have a
similar West Coast type offense, and in the West Coast
offense or whatever you want to call it, East Coast
Philly style, whatever you want to call it, you can
get the football to who you want to get the
football to and you know, I know they have Squan,
so that's he's always a threat.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
So you know what's happening.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
It's one on one outside of you trying to stop
Saquan and you're not stopping him. And Smitty that's what
I call him. He's like he's my little cousin. He
don't even know it, but I just love the way
he plays ball.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Both of us.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Both of those guys are threats. And if I'm aj Brown,
I'm frustrated. I am frustrated. We're four and overt, but
you still want a few, like you're a part of it.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Two for nine blah.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
You think, Okay, he obviously is he obviously is going
to block. But you think Jamal ches ain't mad about it?
He having five receptions for what he had.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Like twenty some yards.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Yeah, that's that's not Jamal ches Uh perennial number one
receiver in the league, number number one and two receivers
in the last three years.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
That's not that guy. That's not his game. And you
those guys, honestly, they still need to get fit. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Devonte Smith only had two catches too, Yeah, and uh
and Jalen Hurston has nine carries for sixty two yards
as well.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
You know, I mean he's getting.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Out and obviously don't know how many of those were
designed runs or him rolling, but you know they rely
on him running the football. And I mean, did you
ever play with the guy who was run first kind
of a quarterback?
Speaker 3 (24:45):
I mean, oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
I mean that's gotta be a challenge for a guy's
talent to his aj Brown.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
I remember when when Tebow was with Denver and you know,
we was winning some games, and honestly, based off the
quarterback room at that time, Tebow was the best option
for us.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
He was by far the best option.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
He played with a ton of heart and everybody's all happiness, like,
hey man, would you love.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
To play with Tebo? I said absolutely not, And they
were like shot that I said it. It's like, well
why not?
Speaker 1 (25:10):
I said, dude, I run routs on time. I'm not fast,
but I know how to get open to a spot.
And he hadn't threw to a spot ever. Right, the
one he threw to the demands in the playoff game,
that's the only time shot I see him through. And
I'm not knocking him because we couldn't have won game.
We wouldn't even been in the playoff in one for ten.
But as far as the way I played football, the
way I learned it and with the quarter I played
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with a ton of quarterbacks. I was trying to count
them all one time. I ran out of fingers and
toes because there was a lot of them.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
Right.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
But here's the one thing that we held Hates had
dialed up was being in a spot on time. Like
you said, Cortland plays big body. He knows how to
go in city those spots. So boet him have a
different chemistry than he has, especially with some of the
tight ends because you know, we had a tight end
sighting the other day, which is good, but we wanted,
we needed, we need a little bit more of that
(25:57):
to help the office as a whole, and we we
got to get another receiver involved. If Franklin catches some
of the passes he catches, the receiver.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Rule as a whole looks better.
Speaker 5 (26:08):
Right.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
You can't just have.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Coiling catching five and y'all got one each and running
backs catch the rest.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
That's not gonna help us down the road, you know.
Speaker 7 (26:16):
But avers football, first nap of overtime, you're tidy twenty
three line scrimmage to Bronco twenty shot down for Tim Tebow.
Suirt motion is that he roll Tim playfakes in the pocket,
sets for Ze past Tom Demarius.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Thomas out the forty five and mid field. Here we
go forty thirty five foot race, twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Ten touchdown, Denver, it's over.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
That's over a Denver. Did you hear what he said?
He said playfake sets, Bro. He didn't. He didn't want
no pause. It wasn't no Tim scrambling.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
And most people don't know this conversation took place. I
can share it now. Uh Eric Decker, it was Eric Decker.
Uh and uh d d T I was I was
won the practice after after the game, I mean after practice,
I Watt went to the receiver room and they're in
there going off the quarterback. They had like two catches together.
(27:11):
I think it was the only game like we had
two completions that we won the game. It was like
horrible for a receiver.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Two completions, one of them was a touchdown to Eric Techer.
They they won, but they're in their time. I coached.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
We don't know what the hell to do. We feel
like we scrambled drill like every game, blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
And I was like, hey, hey, hey, wait wait wait,
They're like what I said, Hey, let's talk.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
And I took him outside that meeting room because most
most people don't know that meeting room is recorded. That
meeting room as a recorder and a video camera, and
so coach can hear everything. And I didn't want them
to say something that this, you know, so we went outside.
They never knew that every one of those meeting rooms
that they're building is mike.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
What they didn't know that, No, they had no clue.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
I pulled them out in the little the little room outside.
Yeah yeah, I said, look at man, let me explain
some of y'all. And I pointed to the thing. And
they's like what.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
They had no idea, don't They wasn't saying nothing foul,
But they were hot when.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
He's pissed. I don't blame them.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Don't you remember when coaches would want to say something
that they didn't want the man upstairs to hear. They
would walk up and there's a switch we could flip
it off. Ah, And so they walk up and flip
it down and then and then real talk with you.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Flip it back.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Yeah, exactly. But imagine how excited Eric Decker and DT
were when Peyton Manning came to the building. You know,
a guy who was gonna throw it on time.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
And you see their numbers reflect that, Yeah they're four
and oh the Eagles are four and oh okay, like
but but.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
That didn't stop you as individuals for want to be
a bigger part of what y'all doingish, No, it's not
selfish at all. If his thing, like Nate said, if
some of those runs are design runs, that's one thing.
If if the pocket remember maybe the office line is
not as good and the pockets breaking down and he's
got escape, right, then you go to scramble drill, but
(29:03):
and he he throws a very good ball, but he
can throw on time. But to me, some of that
is a play caller. You gotta dial those guys up.
You gotta run slams with aj aj Brown. You gotta
rundg rowse and rouse and out routes and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
That these guys are beast at, not just you.
Speaker 6 (29:20):
Know A J.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Brown runs go routes. That's all they seem to throw him.
There's a go route and that's not to me. He's
way better than that, and that can get frustrated when
you're talking about memes and him having to make an adjustment.
You're making a J Brown with one of your focal
leaders of your team to me, the coach can fix that.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Don't fix it this week, they fix it, Go next week.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
We got the next well, yeah, I mean twenty four
passes is all they is all they threw.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
And so when you got a guy like a J.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Brown and Devontae Smith and they're just not involved in
a robust passing game and you talk about the scrambled drill.
When Jalen Hurst gets out of the pocket, that's when
magical things can happen in the passing game. But if
he ain't looking down the field, you're running for nothing.
You're finding yourself open and he's not even looking and
he's picking up the first down. So he's been effective,
right is four and oh? And it's hard to argue
with that, But you want to be involved, especially when
(30:14):
you see yourself as a team leader. You have to
have those productive years and you know it's probably gonna
bite you eventually if you can't complete those balls.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
We were talking earlier about JK. Dobbins and I don't
know very quickly, but we we have a bit of
a disagreement.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Oh well, tell me what your podition is, because we don't.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
That's wrong and right.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
I was trying to represent what Sean Payton had said
earlier season. Is the mindset to have both guys by
the end of the season still playing at a high level.
They're saying, hey, why is JK Dobbins even coming off
the field.
Speaker 8 (30:47):
I'm with him on that. Let JK Cook. I mean,
I mean, you know, I mean, it's football, you at
anybody get her already play. But like I mean, dot,
we have an running back with that kind of vision.
Since how long has.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Been was we had a running back? I mean, it's
been a wild He is playing lights out. You notice
when he's running the football.
Speaker 8 (31:08):
He's not ramping up the full speed and then try
he's patiently waiting for the blocks to set up. He
gets in there, and we haven't had a running back
like that a long time. And I mean, it's just
it's fun to watch him. Jk's a very underrated running
back in the NFL. I think the injuries derailed his
career as shame because he is an elite running back
and we need to squeeze everything out of that we can.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
I think you can still spell him down the road,
like you're saying, but I guarantee if you ask him,
he'll want.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
A few more carries.
Speaker 8 (31:34):
Yeah, he needs to be fifteen carries a game minimum,
probably two three s.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Sixteen for one oh one.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Right, And it seemed like he came out a lot
of key situations to me. Anytime third and short he's
in the game, all the curve, he's almost dead, dude,
get in there. Get in there because you running the
ball on third and short. Because his mentality has an
older head, he knows I gotta get this first down.
Some of the younger guys you see them, Pitt Padden
and trying to juke everybody, and anybody in the league
(32:01):
is just as fast as you not saying Harvey did that.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
The play call he had was a freaking wide tass sweep. Yeah,
that wasn't great, but the short side of the field.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
But that's what they do with Harvey because.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
He runs full speed patient. Yet he hadn't got it
in his head that I.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Need to wait for that time, set that block up,
and I go back knife back downhill because I got
to get two yards. But remember my mom just starting
eight yards deep cause we're doing a lot of this
stuff out of the gun.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
So is that the role that you envisioned for R J.
Harvey right now?
Speaker 5 (32:27):
Nate, like you want him as more of I don't know,
as he's your third down back, not a third down back.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
I think JK.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
Dobbins can casneah.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
And I like R J.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Harvey returning kicks too. He does that well, you know,
kickoffs with a new kickoff rule, it's a little weird.
The holes are a little different.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
And I think r J.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Harvey has a good skill set back there as a
running back.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
So I like him in that role, and I like
him spelling JK. Dobbins when JK. Dobbins needs to come
off the field.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
But right that veteran man, I mean, how many did
did Harvey had?
Speaker 4 (32:59):
He had nine?
Speaker 5 (33:00):
Had nine?
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Care if I had fourteen? Fourteen?
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Yeah, he had fourteen and divins at sixteen Yeah, divins
should have twenty and he should have.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
They wanted to get I will say this, they wanted
to get Harvey more work.
Speaker 8 (33:10):
They knew they were gonna they thought they were gonna
blow the mangles out and they knew if they got
a pick, they were gonna get you know.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
What, We're gonna get the work in the fourth quarter
because my guy is gonna be in there.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
You'd want to spell them. Do what you need to
do in the first three. You can go sit down.
TD did it all the time. But I'm not comparing
to the TV because Ryan said it early. Oh okay,
it's a little early.
Speaker 6 (33:26):
No, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
No, no, I would never compare to real. No.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
No, We'll see you next Tuesday. Absolutely appreciate you. I'll
see you on Friday night. Yeah, I'll be back. Looking
forward to that BCT next
Big thory is always better. We're gonna have a great show.
It calls the victim man. Nathan Jackson is up in
the house. Yeah, appreciate, appreciate having Nate up. And I
was looking for Nick's car. Now didn't se Nick's car
because I rode my bike over today. Now coming here
in Nate's here. So I'm like, oh, this even better.
So Nick, Nick, I'm telling you, Nick, You're on the bubble.
Nick's even better. It is even better.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yeah, n You know when I when I got traded
here in the middle of two thousand and three in
the middle camp, and I got put right next to Rod,
like our lockers, right next to you, dude, watch him
go to work every day, and uh, you know, all
this young receivers looked up to Rod, and Rod showed us,
showed us the way.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Was he a good mentor he was the best? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah, you're not saying because he's in the studio around
on and off the field. Man, he actually cared about No,
I did you know he cared about us as people
didn't want us to make mistakes out in the world.
I mean, obviously football is important to Rod. No, nobody
did it better, but he also want to see us
thrive off the field, and so he would do stuff like,
you know, have a money meeting where he would have
all the rookies come in and uh and sit in
(00:59):
front of I mean, he would tell us about you know.
I remember this one in particular because I had bought.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
A brand new Danali that week. I was my first
week on.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
The practical cud right, yeah, at.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
A little bit presumptuous, right, So that next week where
I'd had a meeting and he's like, if you if
you buy a fifty thousand dollars car, it's not just
your signature, it's this. And he had a bag and
he pulled out fifty thousand dollars cash and put it
on the table and I was like, yo, you could
have done that last week ro I signed on the
dotted line.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Stuff like that. He did good.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
The great thing is when I hear this story, I
smiled because he was listening.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Charlie Adams, I mean all.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Those guys, I mean from Chris Cole, these guys, and
he coaches with Detroit.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Now herb is great people.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
But Scotty Montgomery, oh yeah, Scotty's actually a coach with
the Detroit. So I've been you know, Texans Scotty because
they've been playing really well least few years for sure.
So Scotty's gonna be one of those guys that come
up the next thing, you know, he's gonna be a
high position coach or you know, poly head coach in
the league.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Pret But not to pump Rod's tires.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
But I wanted a little bit because we're going to
talk about the game. But there's also you know, there's
also sometimes older players, veteran players, guys with status, they
don't want to help the young guys.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
You know, they don't want to show you the little stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
They don't want to pay attention to what you're doing
and give you little tips to think.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
About to improve your game.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
But Rod was always watching us and the things we're
doing and trying to give us little things to help
us get better.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
I mean, there's so much when you're running routes.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
There's so much you're doing that you don't realize you're
doing with your body, control, the way you're leaning, where
your eyes are going, your shoulders, all that stuff. And Rod,
you know, had been studying this for so many years
at such a high level. He had so much wisdom
to impart, and he did. He shared it with all
of us and allowed us to get better.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
There's let me ask you something on that rod for
a second, because most of the time in the league,
guys are brought in to take your job. At least
that's the perception of, Hey, I'm happy you're getting your
opportunity in the league, but stay out of my way,
don't take my reps. So why did you take that
approach with other players?
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Because no one really did it for me. And I
had some great guys. They were great people and I
and I always feel they felt me like I was
a threat. I was the eleventh guy my rookie year,
I was the left of receiver. So and I'm on
the practice squad and these guys are working every day
and no one really sat down and showed me how.
Speaker 6 (03:12):
To do it.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Vance advance advance Vance.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Johnson showed me a little stuff and uh, but other
than that, I said, you know what, when I get
to that point, I'm never going to do that to
those guys because I want them to live out their
dreams like me. And plus my mentality was you still
ain't gonna take my job.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
So that was the goal.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
The goal was I had to work hard. If I'm
teaching them all the stuff.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
I don't so the team better, right, Yeah, No, I
think it was when they.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
When he he capt sat down, he scored me. I'm
I'm fired up. I remember when I still remember when
what's his name?
Speaker 6 (03:42):
Man?
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Uh dang it? Running back Kyle Kyle.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Johnson scored the first touchdown. He does this crazy Bronco
dance the ball. I go get the ball for him
and brought it to him. I said, dude, this is
your first one. He forgot about it. I said, but no,
this is your first one. I said, you got to
keep this one. If you don't, you can spike the.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Rest of them.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Him in the stand and uh, you know, Kyle to
to day, he still we know, we still.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Talk about that. That's pretty awesome.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
One more thing, because you know, receivers catch the football, right,
that's what they're judged on their catches or receptions or
yards or Rod valued blocking run blocking more than anybody
and instilled that in us. And so you know, the
difference between a five yard run and a fifty yard
run is what a receiver blocking.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
And we couldn't even be on the field at all.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
If we weren't gonna give the effort in the running game,
that was more important honestly than catching the football.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
But we saw that last night too. We saw we
saw a.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Receiver, uh with Ryan Yeah yeah, and to me, you see,
ma'ams take this jet sweep and if that guy doesn't
crack that a great block, wasn't that what a cheap shot?
Caught him real nice, gave him and gave him enough
room for him to get to ends and typrope downside
line for a test. Now, And that's the little stuff
(04:52):
that I think sometimes you think it's about just catching
passing is not.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Yeah, we.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Okay, yeah, well we actually have them breaking that play
down the broncoswee that out yesterday.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Is really cool, okay.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
But honestly, that that that is such as a mindset, right,
and it's coaching. But your rookie, you're coming into the league,
You're trying to make your mark on the team, and
maybe that's that's your role of that game. I mean,
and certainly you have to bring those kinds of personalities
into the locker room as well.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah, and it's gonna be different personalities, but that you
have different personalities, but we need to have one mentality,
and that's for us to win games. It not was
the same way. It and I got it together. I
mean it and I was on the bench at the
same time. We was out there just getting your leaders,
trying to knock people on their tail because we wasn't
getting any passes. Next thing, you know, Coachhanan gets rid
of the first two starters and it starting. So we
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actually took that different approach to the guys who came
with us, But we didn't say you were behind us
like he always said. You just want to play away
from getting in the game. And so we wanted to
make sure that as a team that we were able
to be successful if one of us came off the field.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
So what did you think about last night?
Speaker 1 (05:57):
You know, I, you know what, I I just have
this one thing. I mean, I I saw no it's
but it's a legit. I think JK Dobbins he's stay
on the field a little bit more. I think I think,
I know j looked great, but I'm saying this man's
a starter.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
He can catch the ball at the backfield.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
He runs great, and when we get the short yards,
he should be in the game.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
And we run downhill.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Every time we try something tricky on thirty short, and
you can look it up.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Every time we try something wide outside on thirty short.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
The defense are too big and fast, and that guy
runs downhill like some of the great running backs I
block for all these years here in Denver, and I
love the way he He's got a little stutter to him,
but when he sees that hole, he's boom, He's gone.
And we got about three hundred million dollars off his line. Dude,
let's use him up front. And they're playing very well,
giving us some giving us some looks. But I just
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think he can do everything as the back, and he
don't need to come off. And when he comes off,
you can almost you're starting to get to the point
when you can. But it's Harvey and just two of
them now instead of three, and you can almost start
predicting the type of play that's gonna be called.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Boys are out on that. I'll say I'll say this.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
I mean JK. Dobbins is fourth in the league in
rushing right now, kill and he and we're acting like
sixteen carries is like some crazy like that exactly like
imagine what he would do with twenty twenty five four
one oh.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
One, dude, Not everybody's built like TD guy.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
It's not his You know what I said. I said
all the guys I blocked for. I didn't mention TD.
Every guy blocked for They have their own unique spit
skills and talents.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
He has a unique skill in talent. To me, he's
a every down back.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
He don't come out the field off the field unless
he's tired, if he needs a breather or something like that.
It's a long drive, that's different. But I just see
that that guy is a spark plug for us. He
blocks very well in the passing game. He does all
that stuff. And I'm just saying for me, when you
got that type of back, and I get you can
switch it up every now and then with the other guy,
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but I would let I would. I honestly think it's
a it's a disservice to the team when he comes
off the field. Nothing against Harvey, I just that's just
what I feel. I just I like him that much
as a bat. We haven't had that kind of running
game and the fact that the coach can dial it up, Well,
you got a guy who can trust like that. You
got to dial it up and keep teams off balance.
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I just think we don't have the identity on third
and short. We try something crazy and new on third
and short, and that's getting us off the field. When
I'm gonna be like, hey, you know what, my guy
here's having seven yards carry.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
It thirty two thirty one. It's thirty and a half
a yard. I'm not doing nothing.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
On quarterback snake, well, I'm giving him ball the JK
Dobbins on the opposite side of we're strong, right, he's
running left down here, one guy's not getting it, stopping
that guy.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
From getting the yard at two. Well, on that, I
agree with you. On the third short, I think I
probably would have JK. Dobbins in there. But the plan,
at least ostensibly because first of all, JK. Dobbins has
never played a full season his entire time in his
playing career, He's never played a full season.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Most of us never played a full season. Most of
us miss the game every year.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
That's fair foroy, But he's got he's got some serious
injury history, right, Achilles, acl so on and so forth.
But the point of it is is Sean laid this
out from the very beginning saying we want to manage
these guys in a way that we can utilize both
of them all the way through the year. And so
if you burn JK. Dobbins too early in the season,
well then it's the RJ. Harvey and Tyler Bidet show
and you may not be as effective. I don't.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I don't see that. I think I think the way
you read into that is different. I think my opinion
is different. You say he wants to make sure you
use them both.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Why does man K.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Stay in for three four five carries straight before he
comes off.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
With two or three breaks?
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Well, last night and one in one. Now I see
him doing this. He's on a field, he's off the field.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
He's on a field of the personnelity. He's like the
second and six and this is my place for second
and six.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
And it's almost like he's not he's not a guy
for second and six and or whatever. And but I
just that's just just my overall take. I think we
were hell of a lot better on first down, oh
night and day.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
On first down.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Now you can do some stuff, play action pass at
your works when you can run the.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Football, yeap.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
One of the things we were talking about before and
eight was just the matchup with.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
The Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
We talked about it last week, and then of course
you saw a play out I mean, five hundred and
twelve yards of offense, right.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
I think we all thought there was an advantage here.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
The Broncos offense should find a way to produce, but
they actually have to go out there and do that.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
This was a very impressive performance.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Is actually it's the first time since twenty fifteen that
the Broncos have had a three hundred yard passer and
one hundred yard rusher as well in the same game,
which is pretty wild. But the thing that I think
some Broncos fans are wondering after the fact is was
that performance from the Broncos offense more of an indication
of how bad Cincinnati is or the Broncos figuring out
some things.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
I think it can be both, and it was both, because,
you know, one of the things they did figure out
was give JK the ball a little bit more. You know,
they've been moving in and out, in and out, and
they did allow him to stay on the field for
a series and then har J Harvey for a series.
I agree with Rod that the more JK Dobbins the better.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
RJ.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Harvey to me, these rookies late in the sea and
they'll come on, but right now, early in the first
half of the season, lean on your veterans that JK.
Dobbins is the guy who's playing the best right now.
And then you know Cortland Sutton and getting him involved
early quick pass stuff. He's your steady, you know, he's
your Rod Smith. To me, a guy who's going to
be reliable, who's going to be in the right spot,
is going to make the tough catches. And then Marvin
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Mimms getting Marvin Mims involved, and so so I think
that they stumble, you know, not.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Stumble, but that's the formula to me. You know JK.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Dobbins, Cortland Sutton and then mix it up with Marvin
Mims and sometimes if you can get the tight ends involved, great,
but established a run and keep these guys on the field.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
Marvin Mimms is really impressive to me, Rod because he's
a guy that we were talking about a moment ago, Like,
he gets into the league and he's a special teams guy.
He's a power return, kick return guy, sparingly, very sparingly
on offense.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Then he moves up to the gadget guy role.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
I mean, and again, he was a he was a
full time receiver there at Oklahoma State.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
He was a dude there.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
And then now in the back half of last year
and into this year, you're starting to see more of that.
But still once in a while he's the Hey, we're
gonna we're gonna throw the bubble screen, We're gonna get
you on the reverse, We're gonna get you on the
Jets sweep, and and he still has to accept that role.
That for me is impressive because I imagine as a
guy that has run a full route tree and been
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that duke in a wide receiver run for a team
in college, that's that's a tough thing.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
To accept, absolutely because and that's what I said going
into this year, was him getting a chance as well
as Franklin. These guys running rounds, you know what I'm saying,
Especially for Mems, I think he's handled it excellent because
you just he just won of those guys. To me,
I always look at the guys as if I want
to play with him. He's a guy I would want
to play with. You know, how he plays football. He
don't care what you ask him to do, he goes
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out there, he does it extremely well. He's not getting
as many opportunities I believe he should get, but he's
taking advantage of the opportunity that he does get. And
so that's always a plus. And and so just seeingim,
you know, like you said about Cortland, I just I
just take my hat off to him because he's playing
with that big body.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
He's using it like a basketball player.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
He's shielding guys off, actually making guys miss and turn
the ball upfield and getting what he can get making
a tough catch.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
And I think these young guys need to lean on that.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
I think Franklin leads to lean on him and get
that mentality because he had some opportunities there for him.
You know, he had a great game earlier in the season.
But you gotta be consistent when you're in that third receiver.
I used to be that third receiver back in the day,
and I knew I wasn't gonna get as many reps.
I wasn't gonna get in many passes on my way,
but the ones I get, I have to make them
count because if I make them.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Count, you know what happens.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I get more and that's for those guys, those guys
who were uh, because we don't want him to get
just zoned in.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
We want a feature Corland.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
But you can also move him in the formations, in
your different packages and stuff like that. That's how you
get That's how you get the ball to the person
that you want to. I learned that from watch coach Kobyak.
Coach Kobeak when Eddie Mack went down one year, I
got a whole group of young receivers and I played
every freaking position.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
But you know what, my guys handled their business. Nate
was on that team. Was you on a team when
it was when Eddie Mack went.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Down two thousand and three? Or is this well he
broke leg in like tw two thousand and one or something.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Oh so yeah, he was done. He wasn't even there yet.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
No, his last year was my first year though.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Okay, yeah, no, So we we had a bunch of
young guys man uh, and they stepped up. They did
their thing. I'm moving and motioning and doing all the
stuff that Ed would do. And so we know coach
is very smart and can get creative and and some
of it's just I know, understanding personnel but you can
keep those same guys on the field and change their
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change up the formations in order to get defense to
be in the position that you want them.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah, Troy, Troy Franklin seems to sometimes get caught with
his hands and weird positions, like he had one yesterday.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Both of them were the same way.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yeah, I looked at it that instead of instead of
really opening himself up and squeezing it like that.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
You know.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Obviously those he can't see what I'm doing, but he's
but he's pinky to pinky's like trying to catch it
like it's over his shoulder when it's not over his shoulder,
that's coming out of like this, and you do that.
Jerry Rice used to do that. But it's a hard
it's hard to catch it like that. You don't have
a lot of strength there. You want to really turn and.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
Grab it, you know. And he seems gets caught with
his hands in weird positions.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah, you know. And when I'm up in the of course,
I'm up in the booth, up in the up in
the box and there, Oh my god, he was scared.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
I said, dude, you're gonna get hit anyway. Yeah, exactly,
Here's one.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Thing about its gonna happen on the football field, is
that balls anywhere near you. It's hot potato and everybody's
trying to get it. But you gotta make that tough catch.
Here's how here's the reason why I want him to
make the tough catch. Not because I want the fifty
whatever bomb that that was and plus the other play.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
He's gonna earn the respect of his teammates.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
That is the most important thing because soon as they
get he get the trust from them, and the coach
trusts him. Hey, listen, the guy ain't getting three botts
throwing his way a game. Three or four balls a game,
and he's making the best of the three or four
that he gets. You know what, I'm gonna freeing out
of the way to do get in five.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
That's what.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
That's why I wanted to see Marvin running routes because I.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Know you can do it. Uh, see him get the
chance to catch the ball. What he did, run the
Jets sweeps, see what he did.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
But that short passing game is I think we don't
have an intermedi pass game between five and twelve yards.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
We don't have it.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
And you saw Courtland catches one on the boat had
a pumping a little bit and Courland Steel play big
body guy, it juke.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
The guy went up.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Field for another fifteen eighteen yards. And but that's what
shortyardist does. It keeps your first downs, second third down
a supermangible when you can get those quick passes catching
defenses off guard, and you don't have to switch your
personnel to do that. You don't have to take Dobbin's
out and put R. J. Harvey in to throw a
quick passing game. But that's what we do when we're
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gonna do a skint of a gadget or or a
screen or something like that. Why is Dobbins not in
the game? That's the part I don't.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Yeah, then it's a read for the defense, and they
allow them to reset every time, you you know, instead
of like, oh, we just gashed him for seven or
eight yards, let's keep the same guys on the field
and keep going instead of the instead you bringing a
holy personnel group, you allow them to substitute and reset
instead of taking advantage of the unit you just gashed
and keeping the foot on the gas.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
Let me ask you that it's something real quick. You
brought up country Franklin and where he was trying to
catch the ball. How does Bow next do at ball
placement for wide receivers to make a play on the
ball and then maybe turn a field. You mentioned Cortland
Sudden being able to do that a couple of times,
but there were also a couple moments where he had
to kind of go back behind himself as well.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
So how does Bow, generally speaking do on ball placement.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
I think I think he's doing pretty good. And uh,
you know what, I was sitting there talking to John
Elway a few years ago when we had Teddy Bridgewater,
and uh, I forgot who else was the quarterback?
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Drew Lock. That's exactly what it was.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
It was Drew Lock and and Teddy Bridgewater and John
and I were sitting there watching him, and I was
talking about quarterback timing and and and John said, because
Drew Lock's arm was extremely much stronger than Teddy Bridgewater.
But Teddy threw a better catchable ball. He threw it early,
he threw it touch, he threw you open anticipation, and Drew,
because of maybe it was lack of experience, will wait
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until you open in driven. And so with Bow, he's
going to get better as he gets as he gets going.
Sometime when the ball's behind you is to protect you
get hit in your face if he throws. John used
to always tell us, if I throw the ball behind you,
don't turn the other way. He's throwing you away from
the defender. That's what good quarterbacks do. I think the
placement of the passes that he had, and the ones
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he had in the game for the most part, were
you know, one of us on the shallow cross was
a little bit behind him and even though it was
open on the outside. You want that out there, but
he can still guy still out there. But for the
quarterback to throw it behind you, it's a protection mechanism.
But I think some of the ones that Franklin miss
with those you have to have those. The placement of
those balls were perfect. You just got to go into it, get.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Your body on it. Me.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
I want to wrap that ball around my body right
that way because I'm going to get hit, but my
body's gonna protect that sucker from coming out. Because either way,
whatever's gonna happen is going to happen. But we're finna
get this forty five fifty yards or whatever it is,
and I can come off the field because I'm not
the guy that plays every down, you see what I'm saying,
So those moments are very key. But I think his
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placement right now is better than it was last year,
and it's only gonna get better because he's gonna start
having that anticipation he gonna throw them open instead of
waiting til the get open. Because he throws the ball.
It looked like you're throwing them ball hard like cause
you listen to what Nate was saying about. People can't
see of course, with the pinkies and the thumbs. The
reason why you want to get those thumbs together and
grab the ball versus when you have their pinkies together,
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your fingers are let lot less strength and less strengthen
the fingers. That football, as he's throwing these missiles is
going right through there if you don't squeeze it. You
gotta practice that a lot on the judge machine all with.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Them quarterbacks and some of the you know, maybe misthrowers
are about miscommunication with receivers like him thinking they're gonna
move through his own and they actually sit down right.
So you saw that in the last couple of weeks.
Actually the first drive of last week they went three
and out. Lucas Krawl sat downs right and.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Then he he he.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
You know he missed the throw because he thought he
was gonna keep moving. So how much of that is
understanding the offense being on the same page as receivers.
Once they can figure out exactly where they're supposed to
be and have that connection, the throws will.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Be even more accurate.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Rod Smith's studio Nature Act as well. Have you got
another segment with us? Sure?
Speaker 5 (20:01):
All right, I gotta ask you about A. J. Brown
and so of the stuff that he's doing and his frustrations.
We'll get to that next.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
They bring mems in motion hand between the jet sweep,
mems inside, the ten mems inside, the five Marvin mems
to the gold line touchdown Denver sixteen yard jet sweep
and mems got a good block outside.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Yeah, easy money, baby, easy money. I don't like it.
It was either it was either him with you. I
told him that you appreciate it. I appreciate it. Gotta
look at this. Come on, coom you you would running
love too bad. I don't try to celebrate with you.
Come on, like we practice, baby, I appreciate that. Anything
from the boy, love to see the gods score.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
It's fresh one for you.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
It was amazing.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Light's real right, had a little rain of lake, but
we came out there, got this.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Ve that was great. Think it was a lot of toys.
They say, is into it. So as long as they're
in there playing ourself. I love that no block, no rob.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
I love the conversation that that little Mike conversation of hey,
I gotta get my man free. I gotta he said, dude,
I'm trying to celebrate when you run it too fas
I can't. That's the part that's cool when your guys
care so much about the team and you know they
gonna get the moments when you when you work with
them mentally.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
We got Rod Smith's studio and Nate Jackson the studio
Broncos Country Tonight coming up at the top of the hour.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
That was a cool moment.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
And again Pat Bryant, I mean, if hey find a
way to impact right, find a way to do something
for the game, and that touchdown doesn't happen without him.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Yeah, and and you know what he's getting told that
in meetings.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I mean, he's nothing a receiver coach likes more than
a nice block.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
They likely when you.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Make a nice catch can't touchdown, but they really love
it when you when you bust your ass in the
running game and you make a nice block, and Sean
Payton's gonna love it too. They're gonna give him his
flowers for that and and this. Those are the moments
you can kind of hang your hat on. I want
to ask you guys about Aj Brown. The Broncos are
gonna play the Eagles this week, and I mean, it's
a big game. This is gonna it's gonna be a
fun game to watch.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
Eagles are four and oh, but offensively, they they're really
not clicking on all cylinders. I mean, for example, here
as far as the rating goes, the Eagles offense total
offense is thirtieth right now in the league.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Is that right? And they're four and oh?
Speaker 4 (22:14):
That's pretty well.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
I'll tell you something. They win games. They know how
to close. They're closers. They are closers like the Chiefs
last year.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
I mean they were that's exactly right.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
But Aj Brown, after a game where he was targeted
nine times, he had two catches for nine yards, he
tweeted out, if you're not welcomed, not listen to quietly withdraw,
don't make a scene, shrug your shoulders.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
And be on your way. Wasn't that a quote? It was?
Speaker 5 (22:44):
Yeah, who said that? I think it's the Bible. Actually, yeah, no, no,
it's it's it's him posting about it. But again, you
guys are both wide receivers, and of course you make
your living off of getting the ball, right, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I mean when you say you say he's targeted nine times,
are these nine capable passes? That's my thing because sometimes
you can throw the ball away in that guy's area
and they say he's targeted, he's the target and so
all these catchable passes. A. J. Brown is one of
the best, one of the most physical gifted receivers in
the NFL.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
And there's no way with the smartest. Their coach is
Coach Sarianni is one of.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Those guys you can dial up whoever you want to
get that football in that offense that they have a
similar West Coast type offense, and in the West Coast
offense or whatever you want to call it, East Coast
Philly style, whatever you want to call it, you can
get the football to who you want to get the
football to and you know, I know they have Squan,
so that's he's always a threat.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
So you know what's happening.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
It's one on one outside of you trying to stop
Saquan and you're not stopping him. And Smitty that's what
I call him. He's like he's my little cousin. He
don't even know it, but I just love the way
he plays ball.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Both of us.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Both of those guys are threats. And if I'm aj Brown,
I'm frustrated. I am frustrated. We're four and overt, but
you still want a few, like you're a part of it.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Two for nine blah.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
You think, Okay, he obviously is he obviously is going
to block. But you think Jamal ches ain't mad about it?
He having five receptions for what he had.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Like twenty some yards.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Yeah, that's that's not Jamal ches Uh perennial number one
receiver in the league, number number one and two receivers
in the last three years.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
That's not that guy. That's not his game. And you
those guys, honestly, they still need to get fit. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Devonte Smith only had two catches too, Yeah, and uh
and Jalen Hurston has nine carries for sixty two yards
as well.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
You know, I mean he's getting.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Out and obviously don't know how many of those were
designed runs or him rolling, but you know they rely
on him running the football. And I mean, did you
ever play with the guy who was run first kind
of a quarterback?
Speaker 3 (24:45):
I mean, oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
I mean that's gotta be a challenge for a guy's
talent to his aj Brown.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
I remember when when Tebow was with Denver and you know,
we was winning some games, and honestly, based off the
quarterback room at that time, Tebow was the best option
for us.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
He was by far the best option.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
He played with a ton of heart and everybody's all happiness, like,
hey man, would you love.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
To play with Tebo? I said absolutely not, And they
were like shot that I said it. It's like, well
why not?
Speaker 1 (25:10):
I said, dude, I run routs on time. I'm not fast,
but I know how to get open to a spot.
And he hadn't threw to a spot ever. Right, the
one he threw to the demands in the playoff game,
that's the only time shot I see him through. And
I'm not knocking him because we couldn't have won game.
We wouldn't even been in the playoff in one for ten.
But as far as the way I played football, the
way I learned it and with the quarter I played
(25:32):
with a ton of quarterbacks. I was trying to count
them all one time. I ran out of fingers and
toes because there was a lot of them.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
Right.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
But here's the one thing that we held Hates had
dialed up was being in a spot on time. Like
you said, Cortland plays big body. He knows how to
go in city those spots. So boet him have a
different chemistry than he has, especially with some of the
tight ends because you know, we had a tight end
sighting the other day, which is good, but we wanted,
we needed, we need a little bit more of that
(25:57):
to help the office as a whole, and we we
got to get another receiver involved. If Franklin catches some
of the passes he catches, the receiver.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Rule as a whole looks better.
Speaker 5 (26:08):
Right.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
You can't just have.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Coiling catching five and y'all got one each and running
backs catch the rest.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
That's not gonna help us down the road, you know.
Speaker 7 (26:16):
But avers football, first nap of overtime, you're tidy twenty
three line scrimmage to Bronco twenty shot down for Tim Tebow.
Suirt motion is that he roll Tim playfakes in the pocket,
sets for Ze past Tom Demarius.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Thomas out the forty five and mid field. Here we
go forty thirty five foot race, twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Ten touchdown, Denver, it's over.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
That's over a Denver. Did you hear what he said?
He said playfake sets, Bro. He didn't. He didn't want
no pause. It wasn't no Tim scrambling.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
And most people don't know this conversation took place. I
can share it now. Uh Eric Decker, it was Eric Decker.
Uh and uh d d T I was I was
won the practice after after the game, I mean after practice,
I Watt went to the receiver room and they're in
there going off the quarterback. They had like two catches together.
(27:11):
I think it was the only game like we had
two completions that we won the game. It was like
horrible for a receiver.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Two completions, one of them was a touchdown to Eric Techer.
They they won, but they're in their time. I coached.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
We don't know what the hell to do. We feel
like we scrambled drill like every game, blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
And I was like, hey, hey, hey, wait wait wait,
They're like what I said, Hey, let's talk.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
And I took him outside that meeting room because most
most people don't know that meeting room is recorded. That
meeting room as a recorder and a video camera, and
so coach can hear everything. And I didn't want them
to say something that this, you know, so we went outside.
They never knew that every one of those meeting rooms
that they're building is mike.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
What they didn't know that, No, they had no clue.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
I pulled them out in the little the little room outside.
Yeah yeah, I said, look at man, let me explain
some of y'all. And I pointed to the thing. And
they's like what.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
They had no idea, don't They wasn't saying nothing foul,
But they were hot when.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
He's pissed. I don't blame them.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Don't you remember when coaches would want to say something
that they didn't want the man upstairs to hear. They
would walk up and there's a switch we could flip
it off. Ah, And so they walk up and flip
it down and then and then real talk with you.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Flip it back.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Yeah, exactly. But imagine how excited Eric Decker and DT
were when Peyton Manning came to the building. You know,
a guy who was gonna throw it on time.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
And you see their numbers reflect that, Yeah they're four
and oh the Eagles are four and oh okay, like
but but.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
That didn't stop you as individuals for want to be
a bigger part of what y'all doingish, No, it's not
selfish at all. If his thing, like Nate said, if
some of those runs are design runs, that's one thing.
If if the pocket remember maybe the office line is
not as good and the pockets breaking down and he's
got escape, right, then you go to scramble drill, but
(29:03):
and he he throws a very good ball, but he
can throw on time. But to me, some of that
is a play caller. You gotta dial those guys up.
You gotta run slams with aj aj Brown. You gotta
rundg rowse and rouse and out routes and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
That these guys are beast at, not just you.
Speaker 6 (29:20):
Know A J.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Brown runs go routes. That's all they seem to throw him.
There's a go route and that's not to me. He's
way better than that, and that can get frustrated when
you're talking about memes and him having to make an adjustment.
You're making a J Brown with one of your focal
leaders of your team to me, the coach can fix that.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Don't fix it this week, they fix it, Go next week.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
We got the next well, yeah, I mean twenty four
passes is all they is all they threw.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
And so when you got a guy like a J.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Brown and Devontae Smith and they're just not involved in
a robust passing game and you talk about the scrambled drill.
When Jalen Hurst gets out of the pocket, that's when
magical things can happen in the passing game. But if
he ain't looking down the field, you're running for nothing.
You're finding yourself open and he's not even looking and
he's picking up the first down. So he's been effective,
right is four and oh? And it's hard to argue
with that, But you want to be involved, especially when
(30:14):
you see yourself as a team leader. You have to
have those productive years and you know it's probably gonna
bite you eventually if you can't complete those balls.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
We were talking earlier about JK. Dobbins and I don't
know very quickly, but we we have a bit of
a disagreement.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Oh well, tell me what your podition is, because we don't.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
That's wrong and right.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
I was trying to represent what Sean Payton had said
earlier season. Is the mindset to have both guys by
the end of the season still playing at a high level.
They're saying, hey, why is JK Dobbins even coming off
the field.
Speaker 8 (30:47):
I'm with him on that. Let JK Cook. I mean,
I mean, you know, I mean, it's football, you at
anybody get her already play. But like I mean, dot,
we have an running back with that kind of vision.
Since how long has.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Been was we had a running back? I mean, it's
been a wild He is playing lights out. You notice
when he's running the football.
Speaker 8 (31:08):
He's not ramping up the full speed and then try
he's patiently waiting for the blocks to set up. He
gets in there, and we haven't had a running back
like that a long time. And I mean, it's just
it's fun to watch him. Jk's a very underrated running
back in the NFL. I think the injuries derailed his
career as shame because he is an elite running back
and we need to squeeze everything out of that we can.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
I think you can still spell him down the road,
like you're saying, but I guarantee if you ask him,
he'll want.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
A few more carries.
Speaker 8 (31:34):
Yeah, he needs to be fifteen carries a game minimum,
probably two three s.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Sixteen for one oh one.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Right, And it seemed like he came out a lot
of key situations to me. Anytime third and short he's
in the game, all the curve, he's almost dead, dude,
get in there. Get in there because you running the
ball on third and short. Because his mentality has an
older head, he knows I gotta get this first down.
Some of the younger guys you see them, Pitt Padden
and trying to juke everybody, and anybody in the league
(32:01):
is just as fast as you not saying Harvey did that.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
The play call he had was a freaking wide tass sweep. Yeah,
that wasn't great, but the short side of the field.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
But that's what they do with Harvey because.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
He runs full speed patient. Yet he hadn't got it
in his head that I.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Need to wait for that time, set that block up,
and I go back knife back downhill because I got
to get two yards. But remember my mom just starting
eight yards deep cause we're doing a lot of this
stuff out of the gun.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
So is that the role that you envisioned for R J.
Harvey right now?
Speaker 5 (32:27):
Nate, like you want him as more of I don't know,
as he's your third down back, not a third down back.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
I think JK.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
Dobbins can casneah.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
And I like R J.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Harvey returning kicks too. He does that well, you know,
kickoffs with a new kickoff rule, it's a little weird.
The holes are a little different.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
And I think r J.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Harvey has a good skill set back there as a
running back.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
So I like him in that role, and I like
him spelling JK. Dobbins when JK. Dobbins needs to come
off the field.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
But right that veteran man, I mean, how many did
did Harvey had?
Speaker 4 (32:59):
He had nine?
Speaker 5 (33:00):
Had nine?
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Care if I had fourteen? Fourteen?
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Yeah, he had fourteen and divins at sixteen Yeah, divins
should have twenty and he should have.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
They wanted to get I will say this, they wanted
to get Harvey more work.
Speaker 8 (33:10):
They knew they were gonna they thought they were gonna
blow the mangles out and they knew if they got
a pick, they were gonna get you know.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
What, We're gonna get the work in the fourth quarter
because my guy is gonna be in there.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
You'd want to spell them. Do what you need to
do in the first three. You can go sit down.
TD did it all the time. But I'm not comparing
to the TV because Ryan said it early. Oh okay,
it's a little early.
Speaker 6 (33:26):
No, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
No, no, I would never compare to real. No.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
No, We'll see you next Tuesday. Absolutely appreciate you. I'll
see you on Friday night. Yeah, I'll be back. Looking
forward to that BCT next
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