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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We had off to the Kwai Commaspury Health hotline and
bring on Voice of the Rockies, Jack Corgan, who's kind
enough to join us after a very very long season. Jack,
I hope you have your toes buried in the sand
somewhere as you're joining us. Thank you so much for
the time. How are you.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I am good. I'm actually at football practice for Regis Jes.
You're with That's how I relax. So it's a good thing.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Well, that is a good thing. So I know you're
a huge football guy too, So yeah, I'm sure being
able to just sort of soak all that up is
also good. What was your reaction when you heard that
news today?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Well, I kind of thought, you know that they have
to make a move. I mean, it was one thing
to have a couple of bad years, but a year
into a string now of years. And while I think
Bill is a good baseball man in a lot of areas,
I think there were some definite reasons behind kind of
(00:57):
opening things up and trying a different voice and really
a different approach. I think in a lot of ways, guys,
there's going to have to be somewhat of a philosophical
change for the ball club.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
My man, Jack Horgan. Hey, it's Rick lewis Man.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
How you doing, Hi, Greg, I'm good, I'm good. Thanks Jack,
James Brown to the start. That's good.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Hey.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Jack's a big music lover, man. We have that in common.
We're both from the Midwest. I really appreciate your work, Jack,
especially what three one hundred lost seasons in a row.
As a fellow broadcaster. I know how difficult that can be.
You handled it like an absolute pro. I told you
this last time I saw you, I would tune in
(01:42):
in like the eighth inning of a game. The Rockies
were losing eight to one, and you sounded like they
were in the playoffs. You were so professional the entire time.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Man.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I just I think people need to realize it takes
somebody special to do that.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Well, you know, coming from somebody like yourself, Rick, who's
been in the business for a long time, much appreciated.
You know. We grew up listening to people like Jimmy
Dudley and Ernie Harwell and guys who it didn't matter
what the game was going, their job was to entertain
the audience. And I've tried to do that all these
years and it's still it's nice to have it come
(02:20):
from a peer. I appreciate that. Well.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
My question for you, Jack is, and I said this
earlier in the first hour of the show, I felt
like the Rockies really needed to do something two or
three years ago to shake this thing up. It's been
a bad five year stretch. What are your thoughts on that.
Was this the right time? Are they a little late
to the party?
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I think that will remain to be seen. I think
at the highest level you could certainly say that. I
think that things were starting to get better in terms
of where they were drafting people and developing them. I
think there is more potential young talent than has been
(03:04):
in the system for a while, but it certainly was
not manifesting itself at the big league level. And some
of that, to be honest with you, guys, like I
said about a philosophical change, I think the Rockies spent
a long time drafting, for lack of a better description,
tight ends who could hit home runs, and the problem
(03:27):
was those guys don't play as well on the road,
and if they're not making enough contact, your offense stagnates,
and I think they have to go more the athletic approach.
The guys who put the ball in play. Look at Cleveland, Milwaukee, Detroit,
(03:49):
even the Diamondbacks not so much this year, but teams
that had athletic guys that ran first to third all
the time, that stole bases, that got they sits. The
Rockies have the biggest outfield in baseball. Yeah, you want
to hit it over the barrier and get home runs,
but if you watch the Rockies closely and see when
(04:10):
they have faltered in terms of allowing runs, many times
it's the balls that drop in in front of the
outfielders who have to play so deep and it prolongs
innings and all the next thing you know, they're down
eight to one. Like you said, what.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Did you think the job Warren Shaeffer did as interim manager?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
I think Warren felt the same way I did in
terms of how this ball club should play. They should play.
I don't want to say small ball, is that that's
too much of just you know, bunting and those kinds things,
But I think they needed to play more athletic baseball
(04:52):
on all levels outside of the pitching, and even pitching
to a certain degree, but catch the ball that you're
supposed to catch, run base as well. Steel bases, put
the ball in play. You know, if you want to
look at one giant staff for the Rockies the last
two years, they were among the worst teams in baseball
(05:13):
at drawing walks and striking out, and their pitching staff
was among the worst teams in baseball at walking people
and getting strikeouts. So if you're deficient, big time deficient
in those areas, it's hard to win.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Jack, I'm not really familiar with how the minor league
system looks for the Rockies. Is there anybody we should
keep an eye on that's maybe coming up that could
maybe change the future for the team or is that
pretty big as well?
Speaker 2 (05:47):
No, I think there are guys coming you know, starting
with not that he's going to be here next year,
but you know, even Holiday is going to be you know,
if I'm wrong, I'll be shocked as anybody. Even Holiday
is going to be a terrific big league player. Charlie Condon,
who they took number one the previous year, is going
(06:07):
to be a good big league player. Jared Thomas, who
they took number two in the twenty four draft, is
going to be a good big league player. They are
developing the right kinds of people to put around Tobar
and Doyle and Goodman and Beck. They just got to
figure out a way how to pitch better. And that's
(06:28):
going to be and it always has been their biggest challenge.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
No doubt about it. Last one I got for you,
Jack really appreciate the time. So do you have any
I mean, whether it's names or a type of personality.
I mean, what are we looking for when Dick Montifer
starts interviewing these general managers outside the organization? Is there
some names or there's a certain pedigree you're looking for here?
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Well, I think you know, you certainly have guys who
have some Rockies connections, even if they're they've gone on
and worked other places. You know, sad Levine even I
don't know that he wants to do it anymore. John
Moseleyak who just step down with the Cardinals after running
them for a number of years. John's out there. From
(07:17):
my own perspective, I'd love to get somebody from teams
like Milwaukee in Cleveland or the Cubs or people who
understand that athletic, aggressive style of baseball. And I think
whoever the person is, I mean, Bill Schmidtz was a
terrific baseball man in a lot of areas. But he
(07:41):
was also very passive, very quiet from a public perspective.
So was Jeff Bryda's before that I'd really like to have,
not necessarily him specifically, but a personality like Aj Preller
is with San Diego. Where he is, you can tell
his passion for the game and his passion to win,
(08:04):
not that any of those other gentlemen didn't, but you've
got to display that to the Rockyes fans. Otherwise, that
whole idea of they don't care about winning just keeps
building because there isn't somebody there who they go, Yeah,
that guy wants to win. Let's see if he can
make it happen. That's who they need.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
You know, then down the road hiring your next manager, Jack.
We talked about this the first hour two. I feel
like they need to bring in a guy that's had
success already, a known guy like a Bruce Bochie, a
name I threw out there, Joe Girardi, former Rocky who
is not in baseball right now other than in broadcasting.
(08:47):
What do you think about that? I don't think the
fan base will get too excited if you bring in
some no name guy that was a third base coach
or a hitting coach somewhere.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Well, I know, to be honest with you, Rick, I
want the passionate, maybe more visible guy to be the
general manager. I want a guy not necessarily Warren Shafer,
but if the new guy decided shape was okay. I
want a guy who knows how to teach, who does
(09:18):
the ability or has the ability to keep guys confident
yet also challenge them when they're not doing what they're
supposed to be doing. I love Boach, but that's kind
of too late in the line, and Joe Girardi's really
kind of old school. I think the guys play the
(09:41):
game differently, they prepare for the game differently to young guys,
and that really ended up being a problem for But
you know, but knows baseball's well as anybody, but he
had a harder time communicating it to a newer player.
So that's why I think it might be someone more
along those lines than that. You know, a Tory Leavello,
(10:04):
for example. Nobody thought much about him, but the passion
and for the most part, the success. Same with Craig
Counsel and those guys, Pat Murphy with Milwaukee and other one.
So yeah, it's gonna be interesting and the biggest thing
for me. I know, I'm running along and you guys,
I'm hoping that Dick really gives Walker a chance to
(10:27):
really be in charge of this and put his imprint
on it. Rather than making mini steps again, I think
it's time to make a leap.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Love that completely agree. Jack, you're the best. We really
appreciate a great job this season. As always your consummate pro.
We appreciate your time.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Anytime, guys, enjoy it all right, Rick, talk to my friend.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Yeah, bet you're the man. Jack, thanks for coming on
all right, the great Jack Horgan really good perspective.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yeah,
We had off to the Kwai Commaspury Health hotline and
bring on Voice of the Rockies, Jack Corgan, who's kind
enough to join us after a very very long season. Jack,
I hope you have your toes buried in the sand
somewhere as you're joining us. Thank you so much for
the time. How are you.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I am good. I'm actually at football practice for Regis Jes.
You're with That's how I relax. So it's a good thing.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Well, that is a good thing. So I know you're
a huge football guy too, So yeah, I'm sure being
able to just sort of soak all that up is
also good. What was your reaction when you heard that
news today?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Well, I kind of thought, you know that they have
to make a move. I mean, it was one thing
to have a couple of bad years, but a year
into a string now of years. And while I think
Bill is a good baseball man in a lot of areas,
I think there were some definite reasons behind kind of
(00:57):
opening things up and trying a different voice and really
a different approach. I think in a lot of ways, guys,
there's going to have to be somewhat of a philosophical
change for the ball club.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
My man, Jack Horgan. Hey, it's Rick lewis Man.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
How you doing, Hi, Greg, I'm good, I'm good. Thanks Jack,
James Brown to the start. That's good.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Hey.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Jack's a big music lover, man. We have that in common.
We're both from the Midwest. I really appreciate your work, Jack,
especially what three one hundred lost seasons in a row.
As a fellow broadcaster. I know how difficult that can be.
You handled it like an absolute pro. I told you
this last time I saw you, I would tune in
(01:42):
in like the eighth inning of a game. The Rockies
were losing eight to one, and you sounded like they
were in the playoffs. You were so professional the entire time.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Man.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I just I think people need to realize it takes
somebody special to do that.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Well, you know, coming from somebody like yourself, Rick, who's
been in the business for a long time, much appreciated.
You know. We grew up listening to people like Jimmy
Dudley and Ernie Harwell and guys who it didn't matter
what the game was going, their job was to entertain
the audience. And I've tried to do that all these
years and it's still it's nice to have it come
(02:20):
from a peer. I appreciate that. Well.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
My question for you, Jack is, and I said this
earlier in the first hour of the show, I felt
like the Rockies really needed to do something two or
three years ago to shake this thing up. It's been
a bad five year stretch. What are your thoughts on that.
Was this the right time? Are they a little late
to the party?
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I think that will remain to be seen. I think
at the highest level you could certainly say that. I
think that things were starting to get better in terms
of where they were drafting people and developing them. I
think there is more potential young talent than has been
(03:04):
in the system for a while, but it certainly was
not manifesting itself at the big league level. And some
of that, to be honest with you, guys, like I
said about a philosophical change, I think the Rockies spent
a long time drafting, for lack of a better description,
tight ends who could hit home runs, and the problem
(03:27):
was those guys don't play as well on the road,
and if they're not making enough contact, your offense stagnates,
and I think they have to go more the athletic approach.
The guys who put the ball in play. Look at Cleveland, Milwaukee, Detroit,
(03:49):
even the Diamondbacks not so much this year, but teams
that had athletic guys that ran first to third all
the time, that stole bases, that got they sits. The
Rockies have the biggest outfield in baseball. Yeah, you want
to hit it over the barrier and get home runs,
but if you watch the Rockies closely and see when
(04:10):
they have faltered in terms of allowing runs, many times
it's the balls that drop in in front of the
outfielders who have to play so deep and it prolongs
innings and all the next thing you know, they're down
eight to one. Like you said, what.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Did you think the job Warren Shaeffer did as interim manager?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
I think Warren felt the same way I did in
terms of how this ball club should play. They should play.
I don't want to say small ball, is that that's
too much of just you know, bunting and those kinds things,
But I think they needed to play more athletic baseball
(04:52):
on all levels outside of the pitching, and even pitching
to a certain degree, but catch the ball that you're
supposed to catch, run base as well. Steel bases, put
the ball in play. You know, if you want to
look at one giant staff for the Rockies the last
two years, they were among the worst teams in baseball
(05:13):
at drawing walks and striking out, and their pitching staff
was among the worst teams in baseball at walking people
and getting strikeouts. So if you're deficient, big time deficient
in those areas, it's hard to win.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Jack, I'm not really familiar with how the minor league
system looks for the Rockies. Is there anybody we should
keep an eye on that's maybe coming up that could
maybe change the future for the team or is that
pretty big as well?
Speaker 2 (05:47):
No, I think there are guys coming you know, starting
with not that he's going to be here next year,
but you know, even Holiday is going to be you know,
if I'm wrong, I'll be shocked as anybody. Even Holiday
is going to be a terrific big league player. Charlie Condon,
who they took number one the previous year, is going
(06:07):
to be a good big league player. Jared Thomas, who
they took number two in the twenty four draft, is
going to be a good big league player. They are
developing the right kinds of people to put around Tobar
and Doyle and Goodman and Beck. They just got to
figure out a way how to pitch better. And that's
(06:28):
going to be and it always has been their biggest challenge.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
No doubt about it. Last one I got for you,
Jack really appreciate the time. So do you have any
I mean, whether it's names or a type of personality.
I mean, what are we looking for when Dick Montifer
starts interviewing these general managers outside the organization? Is there
some names or there's a certain pedigree you're looking for here?
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Well, I think you know, you certainly have guys who
have some Rockies connections, even if they're they've gone on
and worked other places. You know, sad Levine even I
don't know that he wants to do it anymore. John
Moseleyak who just step down with the Cardinals after running
them for a number of years. John's out there. From
(07:17):
my own perspective, I'd love to get somebody from teams
like Milwaukee in Cleveland or the Cubs or people who
understand that athletic, aggressive style of baseball. And I think
whoever the person is, I mean, Bill Schmidtz was a
terrific baseball man in a lot of areas. But he
(07:41):
was also very passive, very quiet from a public perspective.
So was Jeff Bryda's before that I'd really like to have,
not necessarily him specifically, but a personality like Aj Preller
is with San Diego. Where he is, you can tell
his passion for the game and his passion to win,
(08:04):
not that any of those other gentlemen didn't, but you've
got to display that to the Rockyes fans. Otherwise, that
whole idea of they don't care about winning just keeps
building because there isn't somebody there who they go, Yeah,
that guy wants to win. Let's see if he can
make it happen. That's who they need.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
You know, then down the road hiring your next manager, Jack.
We talked about this the first hour two. I feel
like they need to bring in a guy that's had
success already, a known guy like a Bruce Bochie, a
name I threw out there, Joe Girardi, former Rocky who
is not in baseball right now other than in broadcasting.
(08:47):
What do you think about that? I don't think the
fan base will get too excited if you bring in
some no name guy that was a third base coach
or a hitting coach somewhere.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Well, I know, to be honest with you, Rick, I
want the passionate, maybe more visible guy to be the
general manager. I want a guy not necessarily Warren Shafer,
but if the new guy decided shape was okay. I
want a guy who knows how to teach, who does
(09:18):
the ability or has the ability to keep guys confident
yet also challenge them when they're not doing what they're
supposed to be doing. I love Boach, but that's kind
of too late in the line, and Joe Girardi's really
kind of old school. I think the guys play the
(09:41):
game differently, they prepare for the game differently to young guys,
and that really ended up being a problem for But
you know, but knows baseball's well as anybody, but he
had a harder time communicating it to a newer player.
So that's why I think it might be someone more
along those lines than that. You know, a Tory Leavello,
(10:04):
for example. Nobody thought much about him, but the passion
and for the most part, the success. Same with Craig
Counsel and those guys, Pat Murphy with Milwaukee and other one.
So yeah, it's gonna be interesting and the biggest thing
for me. I know, I'm running along and you guys,
I'm hoping that Dick really gives Walker a chance to
(10:27):
really be in charge of this and put his imprint
on it. Rather than making mini steps again, I think
it's time to make a leap.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Love that completely agree. Jack, you're the best. We really
appreciate a great job this season. As always your consummate pro.
We appreciate your time.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Anytime, guys, enjoy it all right, Rick, talk to my friend.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Yeah, bet you're the man. Jack, thanks for coming on
all right, the great Jack Horgan really good perspective.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yeah,
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