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Speaker 1 (00:00):
A really good text over the course of the show.
Really appreciate you guys, chiming in Keith. Those coming. We'll
get to a few of those coming up here in
a little bit. Benjamin Albright with Broncos Country Tonight coming
up back talking are they talking mess about you, they're
talking noise about you? Or are they saying we're today?
Was the text line, saying not today, Actually not today.
Today has been relatively positive. Now I say that, and
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somebody's gonna feel like this license to be like, oh well, we.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Can't go a whole day. That's like negativity.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Yeah, the group consensus group out there's somebody's got to
say something to bring me down. But no, it's been
an overall positive, a lot of positivity because people love
when you're in studio. I appreciate him, so a lot
of positivity on that. And then yeah, I say, just
in general, just more reaction reacting to the conversation, So
say good stuff. I appreciate that somebody is going off
on Ben and Nick because I guess they talked about
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Russell Wilson as a Hall of Fame player.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Is a really good conversation. You think he is m.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
You know, he was on that trajectory for sure, coming
out of Seattle.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
It's it's so tough because you've got to encompass the
whole career. So we're thinking about it in terms of
the last few years when it's been trending down, and
so eight years in Seattle. Yeah, ten, I think is
a nine time pro bowler. He miss missed one miss
one year. It's a pro bowler. It was nine fourteen years. Yeah,
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I think that's about right. Fourteen career and and he's
had some some very high level performances, right, I mean
he's he's you know, went to two Super Bowls. He
was a super Bowl MVP. No, he wasn't a Super
Bowl MVP when they Malcolm Smith. That was Malcolm Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
College that super Bowl is brutal. But yeah, i'd say.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I'd say not a first ballot, but I think he
gets in, and I know that feels like right in
twenty years. Oh less than that, I think he only
went a few but like, well, there's so many players.
There's only a certain amount that going in, but there
are so many players that are entering into that thing.
So you know, Drew Brees isn't up yet. Eli Manning
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isn't there yet. I mean, they're just a whole bunch
of players. I have a hard time thinking that he
is a Hall of Famer if they have a hard
time putting Eli in, who beat the Patriots twice, He's
got both Super Bowl MVPs, he's top ten and passing yards,
touchdowns and completions. They had a hard time putting him
in as a first bat. I think it's gonna be
hard for Russell Wilson to make it. It might be,
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and he rubs so and because humans vote on it,
he rubs so many people the wrong way.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Sure, Ronco's country.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
And there's always that.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Man.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
I don't know, Like I said, I felt pretty good
about him on a Hall of Fame track when he
got here to Denver. And since then, it's hard to
have a realistic conversation.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
About it because it's been so bad. Yeah, and really bad.
You've been really three times. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Now I know for Ben, like I know some of
the conversations, he's like he was really good last year
with Pittsburgh and like he was and then he really wasn't,
Like he's really good, I guess really bad teams. Yeah,
and then when they needed him, what they paid him for.
He didn't do anything exactly, So you're probably right. It
feels like we get five six years into the his
his eligibility and then maybe that's one of those like Okay,
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well we're really light on quarterbacks right now, so maybe
maybe in that conversation, but definitely not a first ballot
like first entry in no way Stafford.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
A Hall of Famer. Oh easy, wow, ye had pretty
similar careers.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yeah, but besides, that's the wrong thing for me to say,
because Stafford's still playing at an elite level. He's on
his first ten years. Like, even though how good he was,
he couldn't drive any wins. But there's been the quarterback
a team that didn't win any game. No, I understand
your point, and when we go to the quarterback wins conversation,
it's always an interesting debate. But he was a top
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ten level basically every season he was in Detroit and
then now out Now talent from a talent stand from
a talent standpoint, from just an optics, everybody believes that
this is a top ten quarterback every single year he
touches the field. I think Russell Wilson has been debatable
in that ten to fifteen range.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Sometimes he was putting.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Up some top five numbers, but a lot of people
will point to the success of the defense and the
success success of the run game out there, and ultimately
Pete Carroll got the best out of him by limiting him,
and that's not the same case with Matthew Stafford. You
put Matthew Stafford in high leverage situations and he performs
every time those turns the ball over and in a.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Lot of pressure situations. I mean, just because I grew
up in Detroit, I know this really well.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Yeah, sure, so, I mean, don't get me wrong, I
think Stafford is a Hall of Fame qv I think
what he did just based off of the trade going
to the Rams and then winning it, and then also
the fact that he is quarterbacked for the three Triple
Crown winners.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
I mean, that's kind of crazy. That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Yeah, I'm really surprised that he's never won an MVP.
By the way, Pukaka is on and we're gonna get
to watch him tonight. He's on pace to break Calvin record,
Calvin Johnson's record, but it's four weeks in. It's really
really but people were saying that they're like, hey, he's
on paced, I mean five hundred percent of yards easy,
you know, I'm like, it's really Do you think they'd
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run him this position for another day?
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Do they run Poka into the ground like they did
Cooper Cup?
Speaker 1 (05:17):
As Cooper Cup had like three incredible years and then
like injuries.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Because he was just hitting the ball. He was getting
hit so much. I think that that's the only way
they win anything this year. Yeah, so yes, yeah, they
absolutely will. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
And because it's the same team that did it with
Cooper Cup, you absolutely are gonna do that with Poka
Nakua because he's performing at that level. Adding DeVante Adams
has only made that offense more formidable. I mean, yes, yeah, yeah,
you think so. Yeah, I'm a DeVante guy. I came
out with Davante. I didn't know he was going to
be as incredible he was. I mean, arguably, I was
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a part of one of the maybe top three deepest
draft classes. Obviously I didn't get drafted, but I had Odell,
Mike Evans, Allen Robinson, Marquis Lee, Cody Latimer, Sammy Watkins,
Bruce Ellington, just I mean incredible, secret Jovish Landry, Jarvis Landry.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah, you know, just yeah, incredible receivers.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
So codylam Yeah, DeVante Adams was in that second round,
second round pick.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Which just nuts. Yeah, that is that. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
So speaking of the first four weeks, just for a moment,
and before we hear from Sean Payton talking about what
bow Nicks likes early in drives.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Do we overreact sometimes?
Speaker 1 (06:26):
I know for years when it was the Patriots, for example,
they'd be one in three or maybe even I mean,
oh to four, but they'd get off to slow starts,
especially in offense, and people are like, got, this is it,
this is the end, and then they'd be in the
Super Bowl. The Chiefs. The Chiefs were one and two.
Now of course that they're they're two and two. Right,
there was just this like, okay, are the Chiefs gonna
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be good or they gonna be bad?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
The offense didn't look great.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Now they play the Baltimore Ravens, who might not be
a very good defense at all. But they played the
Baltimore Ravens and he throws four touchdowns and Nowlson the
Chiefs are back. Do we overreact too much to the
first four.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Weeks of the season.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Yeah, I think so, because teams haven't established their identity yet.
They just teams, just like fans have huge visions of
what the offense and defense and special teams can look like,
but then you have to let those.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Things play out.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
We don't play the game on paper, and training camp
is very different than what it used to be. So
I think, you know, just playing in this offense in
twenty twenty, what the coaches told me when I first
joined the team, and the questions that I had, because
I don't think we lost our first game, but yeah,
I think we were one and two or two and
two or one in three to start the twenty twenty season.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
I think we end up finishing thirteen and three. No, yeah,
we definitely started one of all because we.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Beat We beat Brady in the Bucks, but we lost
to like the Las Vegas Raiders, and Sean was pissed.
He's the only coach I've ever played for where you
have a chartered playing supposed to take off in the
morning back to New Orleans, and he pushed the plane
back like, Hey, we're going to watch the film here
at the hotel before we get on this plane, because
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that's how pissed he was. And you know, I asked
the coach, like I asked some of our assistant coaches, like,
you know, what's going on with offense? You know, Drew's
and you're twenty at this point. We got Michael Thomas
who has broken every record. We got Emanue, we got
Jerry Cook, Kamara and Latavius Murray. It's like, what's going on.
It's like, oh no, we usually start slow around here
and we'll pick it up. And they were super calm
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about it. And I think that's kind of how Sean
approaches things. That's how you know, he just understands, you know,
because he starts with that large volume of play. So
I think we definitely put a lot of stock into it.
If you remember last year No. Orlean Saints got off
to a tow and zh start and they had blown
the first two teams out that they played, and then
they lost like eight straight. You know, I've been on
some teams here, I think twenty eighteen, twenty seventeen, my
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last year here. Then we got off to three and
one start, we blew Dallas out, we beat him like
by forty and we lost eight in a row. So,
you know, the first four games of the season are
sample size of what you can do really well, what
you can lean.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
On, and then you go from there.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
But then this next quarter of the season, you're gonna
test some things out and you're gonna see and then
you try to get to your bye week and then hey,
who are we what can we lean on? How can
we dress these things up? So it's you're always constantly evolving.
You've seen it with really great teams, like you said,
the Patriots, the Chiefs, any of Peyton's teams. You know,
you have different identities at different points in the season,
whether it's injuries and then the rhythm of the quarterback,
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the rhythm of the defense. I heard to keep to
leave talking and he's like, this defense hasn't even hit
their stride yet. You know, they're bringing on young players,
new players. Alex didn't play a lot last year because
he was hurt. So even they're going to hit their stride.
And then you know, Malcolm Roach and other players have
been out, so you know, you got to be hitting
your stride at the right time.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
So what do you feel like we can take.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Away from the first month, Like, let's just take for
the Broncos for example, Like what we see is a
two and two team could be four and oh there's
just an area where they're actually one in three right
now because the Tennessee Titans are just not a very
good team. But the Broncos left the door open a
couple of times pretendency to come back into that game.
But more than anything, there are two and two teams.
You are what your record says you are. So what
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do you feel like? You know, without overreacting to the
first month with the Broncos, you know, high level looking
at it, if you're looking at it from an office
a standpoint, you can look at Boat. You can look
at Bose progression week to week. He saw the field
better each and every single week. Now we're going to
go back to the Chargers game where the completions weren't there,
but he was thrown to the right guy and the
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right person was open. The connection wasn't made. Week four,
things are progressing and clicking. He's able to process and
see the defense better, see the field better. You know,
you talk about the all out blitz in the red zone.
He hits Harvey on the touchdown. Little things like that,
seeing the pressures, knowing what things are coming from. He
was a lot calmer in the pocket, so he is progressing.
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The receiver corps is also trending up. Courtland is obviously
in mid season form. He's playing well. He knows the spots.
I got a chance to see or we got a
chance to see the yards after catch, which is not
really always a part of his game, but we got
a chance to see that the last game. Troy Franklin
is light years ahead of where he was last year.
Marvin Mims is your mini joker. He's all around. He's
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gotten in the end zone, receiving the ball and also
running the ball. I think you also have to be
really excited about the patience of JK. Dobbins and also
the swagger that he brings to the offense. I think
that is great. R J.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Harvey has gotten better every single game.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
I'd like him to be better on kickoff, but we'll
get to special teams later. But I think offensive line, well,
they've protected not taking a lot of sacks. Defensively okay
here and there, but still a top union in the league.
I think Pastor Tad you know, they not necessarily humbled him,
but you know, the Colts went after him a little bit,
and he's responded every single week. I think Riley Moss
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is going to continue to get targeted, but I think
he's played really well. He's in position, te Higgins makes
one play and then t Higgins has another catch.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
But you know, their whole game plan was.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Like, all We're just going to throw at Riley Moss,
throw jump balls and live with that. And I think
he played really well. The Keenan Allen touchdown. You know,
he great coverage. You know, Nick Bodino just misses Justin
Herbert right there. Linebackers, you're worried a little bit in
terms of coverage and how Tyler Warren and Jonathan Taylor
kind of took advantage in the past game, but pretty
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much been solid. Alex Singleton's but the all over the
place Dredna's played really well. Nick Bedito, johnthan Cooper, best duo,
I would say in terms of pass rush in the league.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
So you're excited about that.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
I think you want to turnover some takeaways though, that's
got to be better. If you're going to be a
playoff super Bowl team, you got to turn You've got
to turn the other team over. And you you have
four so far. You got it, you got it. That
has to be only one pick Yep, you need more
of that. Special teams wise, I think that's been the
worst unit so far that has to have improvement. You know,
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you put one ball on the ground, the penalties, the
off size by Benito, the field goal lost to the Colts.
You know, those little things cannot happen. Running into the punter,
you know, can't have that. But I think there are
big opportunities for them to make sure ees Marvin Mims
is still an incredible dynamic returner.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I want R. J.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Harvey to run on kickoff return with the ball like
he does when he's playing running back. He seems very
hesitant when he's back there of how to set these
things up. It's like, hey man, you've got to run
and start with this ball. Let's go find the whole
find increase people on people like myself on kick I'll
have to tackle you.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
I don't want to tackle you, so run at me.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
So I think I think overall, you know, you give
the overall unit all three units A B, and then.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
You know you progress from there.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
But that's how that's high level, how I would look
at it, and how we're taught to look at it.
You know, in the building, it's the first four. You know,
now we're in a new season. We went to and
two in this mini season. Now we're on to the next.
So that's that's kind of how we looked at it
in the buildings I was in all like that, and
that's it's a really good breakdown. And I think a
lot of that almost as independent of the record, right.
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I mean a lot of those are just performance things
like these are things that you can continue to be
good at or be better at, and yet there's a sentiment.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
There where you feel like.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
There's so much more room for growth, right, And I
think that's the exciting part about it, and as long
as you actually get there, because the problem is is
sometimes we talk about potential, and for years with the
Broncos receiving core, for example, we talked about potential and like,
oh what they could be, what they could be, and
then they never really get there and then it's like,
all right, well next year maybe maybe maybe next year
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is the So Corlin's arrived, Troy still is in that
potential phase, right, and I think Marvin's maybe on the
far end of that potential phase where I think we're
starting to see what he's going to be pretty consistently.
But there's still so much potential there with the offense,
but you need some of these guys to become more
than that and if you're going to get to that level,
and that includes bon Nix, right, I mean, he is
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also kind of in that window of we see some
high level play, but we don't see it consistently enough.
They still have too many three and outs, and it
does feel like if they.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Get a first down, it feels.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Like, boy, they have have a chance to hit their
head against a goal post at that point because they're
probably going to move down the field pretty efficiently. But
it's that first first down. It seems almost impossible at times.
But this is a good answer from Sean Payton. He
was asked about what Bonix likes early in drives, and
here's what he said.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
He likes tempo, tempo to the line. Certainly last week,
I think we had two or three third down conversions
with tempo. He's at the line with twenty six seconds
now instead of breaking the huddle with eight. You know,
you adapt because that's something that a lot of these
college quarterbacks are, you know, and reducing the verbiage and
getting to where we can call plays with just one,
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you know, one name, one syllable. Those are those are
some of the things that have changed.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
And you can't always go tempo because yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
May not want tempo. I may my defense might be tired,
you know. So if I'm going tempo, I want to
be able to control that.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
There's so many good things in there. What was the
first thing jumped out to you?
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Though?
Speaker 1 (15:50):
The first thing that jumps out to me is the
two minute drills in most of the games, at least
the last three games, not maybe not the first one,
but the last three games.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
He moves the ball in no huddle really well.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
I mean he sees the field really well. But that's
because the defense has to show their hand. You know,
you line up on the ball, you're going quicker. He can,
he can diagnose those things a lot easier. It's those
times where you know they're showing blitz zero and then
they drop out to cover eight and everybody's in coverage,
where you know, things get a little bit harder. I
would have loved to see a little bit more tempo
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against the Chargers because they play that zone. Hopefully we
see some some tempo against the Eagles. Get Jalen Carter
a little tired, but hey, you know Fangio's playing this
cover two, cover four, cover forty two. You know, how
do you help bo really see the field, figure out,
you know, where his matchups are. And then also what
really stood out is these one words you know out yes,
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you know we were talking off air about that, and
you know one of my I don't have a gripe
with Shan, It's not something I would never bring up
to him. But you know, this offense does have a
lot of words. You got a lot of personnel, and
then you have a lot of words. You're telling everybody
basically what to do.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
And what I loved.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
About playing in Peyton's offense it was it was one word.
We were able to play on the ball. We could
go ice cream ice cream, which is a we're going
dice right or dice left, which is you know a
two y two are you going trips right trips left?
Which three by one, and you just go ice cream
and he say omaha, omaha, said hut. And defense would
show what they're about to do, and then Peyton would call,
you know, a Rhode Island or Rhode Island protection or
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whatever the left protection was. I forgot what that the
name of it was, but then we would call our
play from there. You know, you know Shoel of Miami
or Beta Dallas or you know Dragon Lion, just you know,
concepts like that are Ulster or whatever.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Florida right Florida left tower, left tower, right photo.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
You know, I'm just thinking about all these terms. I'm
just going back in my mind right now of these things.
But you could play super fast because you understood the concept.
And I think, you know, if you could get your
receivers on that same page to understand the concept, Boke
can play a lot faster.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
You know, that's how he's used to playing.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
I'm also have to believe that Seawn really wants to
teach bo how to play NFL quarterback, because you know,
Sean's not a short term thinker. I'm not just going
to play to only your strengths and then we peter
out our offense. Peters out. You know, he talked about
playing complimentary football. I meane the defense just had a
long drive, and we need to sustain and drive. You know,
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Tom Brady and Payton have been talking about online of recently,
you know, the development of quarterbacks, and I think Sean
is a developmental guy.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
You're going to learn how to read.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
These coverages in these defenses because long term, that is
actually going to help you out. See it's so funny
you say that, because I imagine for some Broncos fans
when they hear that, they're like, well, if bo likes
it this way, just do it that way. Aren't you
supposed to coach to your player's strengths.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, you're right, though.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
He's a teacher, and that's something that he said from
the very first moment he got here, that this was
something he was going to do with everybody. He does
it on both sides of the ball, right, I mean
all three phases. He teaches on special teams as well.
He loves doing that. But there is a certain amount
of like, okay, is they're overteaching, because that can happen
too if you're overwhelming the if you're over overwhelming the
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quarterback with the verbiage or overwhelming him with concepts, and
it sometimes does feel like Bonnix is overwhelmed.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yeah, and that's where the Seawan's awareness comes in.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Every single week, and he dials it back every single week,
and you see him dial it back from week one
to week two to week three to week four, and
it will be probably be dialed back even more weeks.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Five going on.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
But if you can actually handle all that and the
offense gets off to a great start, that's even better.
But I think, you know, how do you have to
get the sample size first? It's like, you know, hey,
I want to feel better. I want my body to
feel better, but you don't know what does your blood
work tell you? If you don't have any blood work,
how are you supposed to get better? How are you
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supposed to know what supplements or to take? Are you
just going to go to Ho Food's and buy everything
off the counter because of what you read online? So
where's your sample size? The first four weeks isn't sample size?
And I think you know Seawn is going to continue.
That can change from year to year because in year
three of this offense, Bo might be able to handle that.
In week one and week two, and so well Courtland,
and so Troy and Marvin Mims and then Pat Bryant.
So it looks different every single year. And I think
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the best New Orleans years were later on. It wasn't
in year one, year two, it was in year three
four where Drew's throwing for four thousand, five thousand yards.
I think in the year three he threw for five
thousand yards because by the time he was able to
absorb all of it and then they kind of paired.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
It down to the things that he was doing. Well.
Then that's much easier for everybody, right.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Peyton Manning play Peyton Manning play at the same offense
for basically eighteen years, and year one he threw twenty
eight picks same offense as year eighteen.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
I mean, he wouldn't have done that if you were there.
I just think I think it takes I think it
takes time.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
And yeah, I think Sean is playing into some of
Bose shrinks, but he's also teaching him how to play
NFL quarterback. And I think the best organizations and coaches
take their time with this stuff. Look at Kevin O'Connell,
he's turned around, Carson Wentz's career, Sam Darnold's career, Kirks
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his career, Sean McVay, Stafford Golf done really well with
those guys.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Even Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Teaching these guys how to really play quarterback and how
to really read and progress through defenses. So I'm glad
Bo's getting it in year one. I mean, you don't
want to have a you know, I'm a star for
Shade here. You don't want to have a Nathaniel Hackett
situation where you draft Bow and then you've got to
fire him and then you have a new coordinator. Hopefully
Sean can be here for the next ten years and
both could play in this offense for a long time
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because they would only get better. Well, it's Nathaniel Hackey family.
Sea said, Dave. Yeah, we get a chance to sit
down and talk Broncos excell to O's and we release
the show every Tuesday at one and you know, I
just get to you know, similar to you really just
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pick his mind in terms of how he thinks about
the game.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
And you know, Dave's great. I think he has a
great understanding.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
I think obviously having the view that he has calling
every game is very unique, and he gets a chance
to break some of these down.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
And also I.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Have my perspective, which you have yours, and you bring
it to a show in a different format and you're like,
what did you see? And it's crazy that you know
some of the things that he can see or pick
up or recall from that game. And also he has
the insight that we don't have. He's on the field
before the game, he's in some of these meetings, and
he gets to just be around and be on the
field and have that personal feel of what the energy
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was like, you know, pregame or even postgame. So I
enjoy it's he's incredibly perceptive. We were talking about that.
He's incredibly perceptive, and it is remarkable his recall on
not only moments in like the most recent game, but
going back years and he can just spit out a
play like, oh, I remember exactly this play and there
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was this much time left on the clock.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
And there was this moment in the thing, and just like,
how the heck do you?
Speaker 1 (22:51):
I mean, with all of the football, Yeah, with all
the football that he's absorbed to be able to do that.
And one of the things I love about the show
with you guys is you're both wide receivers, right, so
there's a little bit of a speaking the same language
or defus Well, I.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Would never say something like that about Dave, but let's
be honest, I'm just kidding Dave.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Dave was the farthest thing from that, but No, I
just like, you know, there's something about playing the same
position and seeing the field the same way and having
to do some of the same kinds of things when
you're especially take taking a bigger, broader view of what
a team does. I think that's cool. Yeah, I appreciate it. Yeah,
we enjoy it, and yeah, we'ld love for people to
check it out and hear our perspective. I think you
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should a couple more sound bites here. I want to
hear a little more from Bonick. So he was asked
about it how much it helps with JK. Dobbins playing
the way he is, especially on first down, what it
does for the offense.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Well, it's it's massive because then you're in second and five,
then you're in third and manageable. You know, those first
and second out runs are really important. Yeah, I think
at the end of the game, when you're able to
run the ball, when the defense knows you're running, it
is important. That's how you put games away, that's how
you win in four minutes. So that's one thing that
we can grow on from the other night, and you know,
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something that we're going to have to continue to do
in the future. And so between JK and r J
and the rest of the backs, whoever's out there getting touches.
I think they're going to be able to give us
an explosive opportunity, give us chances to keep the chains
moving and move forward.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
This isn't really foreign to JK. Dobbins.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
I mean, the average is five point three over the
course of his career, but you looked at the years
that he was most productive, at least he played the
most six yards per carry five point seven, four point six,
five point seven.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
I mean, this is just what he does.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
I got into an argument the other night, and I
still think I'm right, but that's the nature of this business.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
I still think I'm right.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
I got into argument with Nate Jackson and Rod Smith,
who again maybe played a little bit, and they said,
you should just continue to feed JK. Dobbins like he's
an RB one, like twenty carries a game, twenty touches,
twenty plus touches a game. And I said, no, that's
not why he and RJ. Harvey are here. And Sean
Payton laid this out to it for us very early
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in the season, saying, I want these guys to be
at their best in December and into January, and if
you run one of them into the ground now, you're
not going to have that ability. So for me, I
want the continued time share between these two running backs.
They disagree because JK is off to such a hot start.
Maybe you can help being a bit of a deciding
vote here. Yeah, I'm on your side because number one,
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you're playing the long term game. Number two, I also
think it throws the defense off. There's a little bit
of a change of pace because r J. Harvey does
have a lot of explosiveness in a different type of speed.
He's a different change of pace back. And Sean has
always had a two back system and he's always done
that really well. And I think he is getting his
rhythm and his play calling designed down for those two backs.
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So I'm all with an all for the two back system.
I think we won the Super Bowl with the two
back system. SHEJ would get more, you know, more of
the carries later on in the game. But having a
Ronnie Hillman, you know, you think about the game we
played against the Minnesota Vikings. I don't know, he took
a carry, what's seventy five yards? He just had, you know,
crazy explosive ability. And I think that's where RJ comes
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into play. I think RJ has the more dynamic ability
in the past game. You saw that against the Cincinnati Bengals,
and I think Sean has done a great job in
trying to continue to get him more involved with the
swing passes, with the screen. So I think JK is
your four minute back. I think Tyler Berdez you are
two minute back. And I think they switch off every
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other series. You keep him healthy. You know, I want
JK to rush for one thousand yards, and I don't think,
you know, I'm not going to be short sighted or
short minded or you know, think short term, you know,
just trying to get him, you know, all those yards
in the first two months of the season. You know,
this is you know, we got three months left, you know,
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so what was it we got? It's four games? So
how many more game?
Speaker 2 (26:59):
We got? Thirteen more? Yeah, thirteen more games.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
So you know, let's let's keep him healthy for those
games and let them, you.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Know, trade on and off. So that's what I want
to see.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I think JK has I thought he did a great
job of setting up his blocks like I've played with
a running back like that in Le'Veon Bell at Michigan State,
who just had that type of vision. And you know,
I don't know of and I don't know if you
can recall right now of backs in the NFL that
have that type of vision.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
And I'm talking about setting up your blocks.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Say, Quon's a great running back, but you know he's
more so hit the whole, make one cut.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Le'veon's one of the best I ever saw to do it.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Yeah, and I think what I saw from JK and
then I, you know, shout out to romy Bean. I
saw them do an interview where he talked about, you know,
he wants the defense to play at his pace. Yes,
and that's the first you know, that's the first time
I really saw that. Is probably because he got more
of a rhythm and the carries were better. But I
thought they did a great job. And you know what,
he he doesn't even have to be like I just
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did the math, and again math is in my strong sea,
but I had a calculator out here. So he's got
three hundred and twenty three rushing yards so far to
the first four games.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
He just needs to average about fifty four yards.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
In fact, even a little bit less than fifty four
yards per game to get to a one thousand. He's
gonna probably get there as long as he stays healthy.
But the best chance for him to stay healthy for
a guy that's never played in an entire season is
to have a two back system. So I think even
though JK, and it's funny because I actually interviewed JK
during training camp and asked him about the two back
system and how excited he is about that. He's like,
(28:31):
I don't I'm a number one. I want the ball
all the time. I was like, oh, I appreciate that. Yeah,
but I also think we can have a bigger picture
mentality about this and understand what you've done for the
course of your career and ultimately what you can benefit from.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
And I love that you said that, and I think
it's perfectly said.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
I wish I would have said it to Rod and
Nate the other day. Is that this is what Shawn's
Shawn's offense is, He's never had a guy that he
just universally.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Gives the ball too and doesn't involve anybody else.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
It was Alvin Kamara was mark Ingram when Reggie Bush
was the same thing. When you had Darren Sproles as
a change pace back. You had Pere Thomas, you had
guys that you are mixing in and they all had
a very specific role. But the thing about it is
is you didn't you didn't skip a beat when any
of them were in. But you could still do and
operate a lot of the things you wanted to be
able to do. And I think you have that with
these two guys. Yeah, And I think it will only
(29:22):
get better. I think it will continue to get better
with time. It's crazy to think about, obviously JK being
the one hundred yard rusher, the first one in the
Sean page.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Thirty seven games.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
But if even if you think about it, if we
look back and we take it, we take this high
level right now, Ryan, this is both of their first
years in this offense, which is even more exciting.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
You know, they'll get better with time.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Their rhythm will get better over this next quarter of
the season, their rhythm will be better in November and December.
And what they understand and them setting up blocks and
the offensive line learning how they play. So I think
they're scratching the surface. You know, we haven't even thought
about that. You know, we're talking about JK and RJ
number one because they're getting the ball a lot. But
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this is the first four weeks of their season ever
playing for Sean Payton and they're running back coat show.
Broncos Country should be really excited about this running game.
You're fifth in the league in rushing. If we talk
about overreacting to moments, right, if I had told Broncos
fans for the first month in the season the Broncos
were fifth and rushing, they'd be doing backflips like Daffie
Duck's style. Hopefully you can see more of that last
(30:34):
few minutes here with Benny Fowler, Benjamin all Bright Broncos
Country tonight, coming up at the top of the hour.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
High bend. Not that guy, it's a nice sure you
guy going there? That's good. My favorites.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Yeah, not lethal weapon, it's loaded weapon, the spoof and
it's in Japanese. Well, it's nobody else has this shirt,
No one on earth has this shirt. And it's a
rare moment that you're not going the deep V So
I appreciated have gotten this in then you know, I'm
suppose I could have a screenprint or something. We got
a really interesting game for Thursday night Football two, three
and one. Team is the line on it though eight
(31:05):
and a half and we'll get the official picks here
in just a second.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
I don't know, bennyt. I know the forty nine ers
were really banged up.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
No brock Perty, no Jwan Jennings, no Ricky Piersoll, Nickosa,
George Kittle.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
We know which Ray Ryan's. I know there's a lot
of guys.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
But Kyle Jenahan and Sean McVay a lot of awareness
of each other, and Kyle Shanahan just plays some pretty
tough he does. But all of those injuries that you
just said makes me think that the Rams are going
to come out here and get this win. Pukin Nakua,
it's bin on a tear. I think DeVante Adams is
scored in every game I believe, so I'm leaning towards
(31:42):
the Rams in this one.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
I don't think it's going to be a blowout. Just
you know Thursday night.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Games, there's not a lot of game planning going into it.
They both know each other really well, they both run
similar styles of offense. But that the injuries for the
forty nine Ers, I think it's brutal. CMC does he
go off tonight see, and that's where I wonder if
maybe for Kyle Shanahan it's actually maybe dialed back a
(32:07):
little bit there, because you can't lose him too like
you gotta you gotta start what is that not not quarantine,
but you gottaog triage. Yeah, you gotta triage this thing
a little bit like all right, see, yeah, you're gonna
get your normal twenty carries or twenty touches in the game,
but we we don't. We can't afford to lose you too. Well,
he can't coach like that. So and it's a Thursday,
(32:30):
and I go, if you don't, if you're in a
coach like that, you shouldn't plan him.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Okay, that's fair, Ben are you?
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (32:36):
I don't don't tell me your pick. We'll get to
your pick in a second.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
I was gonna do this whole little bit, but it's fine.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
I'm gonna call the forty nine ers offense the board
and identity because it's gonna be uh all Kendrick and
they not like us.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
To look disappointed. His faces right very quickly on Pokakua.
What makes him so what makes him so like incredibly
difficult to cover?
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Well?
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Sean McVay in the.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Way that he uses him in the offense, moves him
all around.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
I think he can run any route in the route tree.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
His hands, his creations, his separation ability, and I think
he just he knows how.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
He knows how to catch the ball.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
He can make the dynamic catch, he can make the
simple catch, he can make the hard catch. But Sean
McVay moves him around and puts him in spots where
he's either you inserting to block a certain guy, but
then he will also run that same motion insert in
the same way and then run a corner route or
an out route, or run an over route. So he
can run any route in the route tree. They can
move him all over. He understands leverage and coverage and
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he's able to make big time plays and he catches.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
He's got mittens incredible
A really good text over the course of the show.
Really appreciate you guys, chiming in Keith. Those coming. We'll
get to a few of those coming up here in
a little bit. Benjamin Albright with Broncos Country Tonight coming
up back talking are they talking mess about you, they're
talking noise about you? Or are they saying we're today?
Was the text line, saying not today, Actually not today.
Today has been relatively positive. Now I say that, and
(00:20):
somebody's gonna feel like this license to be like, oh well, we.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Can't go a whole day. That's like negativity.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Yeah, the group consensus group out there's somebody's got to
say something to bring me down. But no, it's been
an overall positive, a lot of positivity because people love
when you're in studio. I appreciate him, so a lot
of positivity on that. And then yeah, I say, just
in general, just more reaction reacting to the conversation, So
say good stuff. I appreciate that somebody is going off
on Ben and Nick because I guess they talked about
(00:48):
Russell Wilson as a Hall of Fame player.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Is a really good conversation. You think he is m.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
You know, he was on that trajectory for sure, coming
out of Seattle.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
It's it's so tough because you've got to encompass the
whole career. So we're thinking about it in terms of
the last few years when it's been trending down, and
so eight years in Seattle. Yeah, ten, I think is
a nine time pro bowler. He miss missed one miss
one year. It's a pro bowler. It was nine fourteen years. Yeah,
(01:21):
I think that's about right. Fourteen career and and he's
had some some very high level performances, right, I mean
he's he's you know, went to two Super Bowls. He
was a super Bowl MVP. No, he wasn't a Super
Bowl MVP when they Malcolm Smith. That was Malcolm Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
College that super Bowl is brutal. But yeah, i'd say.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I'd say not a first ballot, but I think he
gets in, and I know that feels like right in
twenty years. Oh less than that, I think he only
went a few but like, well, there's so many players.
There's only a certain amount that going in, but there
are so many players that are entering into that thing.
So you know, Drew Brees isn't up yet. Eli Manning
(02:04):
isn't there yet. I mean, they're just a whole bunch
of players. I have a hard time thinking that he
is a Hall of Famer if they have a hard
time putting Eli in, who beat the Patriots twice, He's
got both Super Bowl MVPs, he's top ten and passing yards,
touchdowns and completions. They had a hard time putting him
in as a first bat. I think it's gonna be
hard for Russell Wilson to make it. It might be,
(02:27):
and he rubs so and because humans vote on it,
he rubs so many people the wrong way.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Sure, Ronco's country.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
And there's always that.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Man.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
I don't know, Like I said, I felt pretty good
about him on a Hall of Fame track when he
got here to Denver. And since then, it's hard to
have a realistic conversation.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
About it because it's been so bad. Yeah, and really bad.
You've been really three times. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Now I know for Ben, like I know some of
the conversations, he's like he was really good last year
with Pittsburgh and like he was and then he really wasn't,
Like he's really good, I guess really bad teams. Yeah,
and then when they needed him, what they paid him for.
He didn't do anything exactly, So you're probably right. It
feels like we get five six years into the his
his eligibility and then maybe that's one of those like Okay,
(03:18):
well we're really light on quarterbacks right now, so maybe
maybe in that conversation, but definitely not a first ballot
like first entry in no way Stafford.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
A Hall of Famer. Oh easy, wow, ye had pretty
similar careers.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yeah, but besides, that's the wrong thing for me to say,
because Stafford's still playing at an elite level. He's on
his first ten years. Like, even though how good he was,
he couldn't drive any wins. But there's been the quarterback
a team that didn't win any game. No, I understand
your point, and when we go to the quarterback wins conversation,
it's always an interesting debate. But he was a top
(03:53):
ten level basically every season he was in Detroit and
then now out Now talent from a talent stand from
a talent standpoint, from just an optics, everybody believes that
this is a top ten quarterback every single year he
touches the field. I think Russell Wilson has been debatable
in that ten to fifteen range.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Sometimes he was putting.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Up some top five numbers, but a lot of people
will point to the success of the defense and the
success success of the run game out there, and ultimately
Pete Carroll got the best out of him by limiting him,
and that's not the same case with Matthew Stafford. You
put Matthew Stafford in high leverage situations and he performs
every time those turns the ball over and in a.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Lot of pressure situations. I mean, just because I grew
up in Detroit, I know this really well.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Yeah, sure, so, I mean, don't get me wrong, I
think Stafford is a Hall of Fame qv I think
what he did just based off of the trade going
to the Rams and then winning it, and then also
the fact that he is quarterbacked for the three Triple
Crown winners.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
I mean, that's kind of crazy. That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Yeah, I'm really surprised that he's never won an MVP.
By the way, Pukaka is on and we're gonna get
to watch him tonight. He's on pace to break Calvin record,
Calvin Johnson's record, but it's four weeks in. It's really
really but people were saying that they're like, hey, he's
on paced, I mean five hundred percent of yards easy,
you know, I'm like, it's really Do you think they'd
(05:13):
run him this position for another day?
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Do they run Poka into the ground like they did
Cooper Cup?
Speaker 1 (05:17):
As Cooper Cup had like three incredible years and then
like injuries.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Because he was just hitting the ball. He was getting
hit so much. I think that that's the only way
they win anything this year. Yeah, so yes, yeah, they
absolutely will. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
And because it's the same team that did it with
Cooper Cup, you absolutely are gonna do that with Poka
Nakua because he's performing at that level. Adding DeVante Adams
has only made that offense more formidable. I mean, yes, yeah, yeah,
you think so. Yeah, I'm a DeVante guy. I came
out with Davante. I didn't know he was going to
be as incredible he was. I mean, arguably, I was
(05:50):
a part of one of the maybe top three deepest
draft classes. Obviously I didn't get drafted, but I had Odell,
Mike Evans, Allen Robinson, Marquis Lee, Cody Latimer, Sammy Watkins,
Bruce Ellington, just I mean incredible, secret Jovish Landry, Jarvis Landry.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah, you know, just yeah, incredible receivers.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
So codylam Yeah, DeVante Adams was in that second round,
second round pick.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Which just nuts. Yeah, that is that. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
So speaking of the first four weeks, just for a moment,
and before we hear from Sean Payton talking about what
bow Nicks likes early in drives.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Do we overreact sometimes?
Speaker 1 (06:26):
I know for years when it was the Patriots, for example,
they'd be one in three or maybe even I mean,
oh to four, but they'd get off to slow starts,
especially in offense, and people are like, got, this is it,
this is the end, and then they'd be in the
Super Bowl. The Chiefs. The Chiefs were one and two.
Now of course that they're they're two and two. Right,
there was just this like, okay, are the Chiefs gonna
(06:46):
be good or they gonna be bad?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
The offense didn't look great.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Now they play the Baltimore Ravens, who might not be
a very good defense at all. But they played the
Baltimore Ravens and he throws four touchdowns and Nowlson the
Chiefs are back. Do we overreact too much to the
first four.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Weeks of the season.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Yeah, I think so, because teams haven't established their identity yet.
They just teams, just like fans have huge visions of
what the offense and defense and special teams can look like,
but then you have to let those.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Things play out.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
We don't play the game on paper, and training camp
is very different than what it used to be. So
I think, you know, just playing in this offense in
twenty twenty, what the coaches told me when I first
joined the team, and the questions that I had, because
I don't think we lost our first game, but yeah,
I think we were one and two or two and
two or one in three to start the twenty twenty season.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
I think we end up finishing thirteen and three. No, yeah,
we definitely started one of all because we.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Beat We beat Brady in the Bucks, but we lost
to like the Las Vegas Raiders, and Sean was pissed.
He's the only coach I've ever played for where you
have a chartered playing supposed to take off in the
morning back to New Orleans, and he pushed the plane
back like, Hey, we're going to watch the film here
at the hotel before we get on this plane, because
(07:58):
that's how pissed he was. And you know, I asked
the coach, like I asked some of our assistant coaches, like,
you know, what's going on with offense? You know, Drew's
and you're twenty at this point. We got Michael Thomas
who has broken every record. We got Emanue, we got
Jerry Cook, Kamara and Latavius Murray. It's like, what's going on.
It's like, oh no, we usually start slow around here
and we'll pick it up. And they were super calm
(08:19):
about it. And I think that's kind of how Sean
approaches things. That's how you know, he just understands, you know,
because he starts with that large volume of play. So
I think we definitely put a lot of stock into it.
If you remember last year No. Orlean Saints got off
to a tow and zh start and they had blown
the first two teams out that they played, and then
they lost like eight straight. You know, I've been on
some teams here, I think twenty eighteen, twenty seventeen, my
(08:43):
last year here. Then we got off to three and
one start, we blew Dallas out, we beat him like
by forty and we lost eight in a row. So,
you know, the first four games of the season are
sample size of what you can do really well, what
you can lean.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
On, and then you go from there.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
But then this next quarter of the season, you're gonna
test some things out and you're gonna see and then
you try to get to your bye week and then hey,
who are we what can we lean on? How can
we dress these things up? So it's you're always constantly evolving.
You've seen it with really great teams, like you said,
the Patriots, the Chiefs, any of Peyton's teams. You know,
you have different identities at different points in the season,
whether it's injuries and then the rhythm of the quarterback,
(09:20):
the rhythm of the defense. I heard to keep to
leave talking and he's like, this defense hasn't even hit
their stride yet. You know, they're bringing on young players,
new players. Alex didn't play a lot last year because
he was hurt. So even they're going to hit their stride.
And then you know, Malcolm Roach and other players have
been out, so you know, you got to be hitting
your stride at the right time.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
So what do you feel like we can take.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Away from the first month, Like, let's just take for
the Broncos for example, Like what we see is a
two and two team could be four and oh there's
just an area where they're actually one in three right
now because the Tennessee Titans are just not a very
good team. But the Broncos left the door open a
couple of times pretendency to come back into that game.
But more than anything, there are two and two teams.
You are what your record says you are. So what
(10:01):
do you feel like? You know, without overreacting to the
first month with the Broncos, you know, high level looking
at it, if you're looking at it from an office
a standpoint, you can look at Boat. You can look
at Bose progression week to week. He saw the field
better each and every single week. Now we're going to
go back to the Chargers game where the completions weren't there,
but he was thrown to the right guy and the
(10:22):
right person was open. The connection wasn't made. Week four,
things are progressing and clicking. He's able to process and
see the defense better, see the field better. You know,
you talk about the all out blitz in the red zone.
He hits Harvey on the touchdown. Little things like that,
seeing the pressures, knowing what things are coming from. He
was a lot calmer in the pocket, so he is progressing.
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The receiver corps is also trending up. Courtland is obviously
in mid season form. He's playing well. He knows the spots.
I got a chance to see or we got a
chance to see the yards after catch, which is not
really always a part of his game, but we got
a chance to see that the last game. Troy Franklin
is light years ahead of where he was last year.
Marvin Mims is your mini joker. He's all around. He's
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gotten in the end zone, receiving the ball and also
running the ball. I think you also have to be
really excited about the patience of JK. Dobbins and also
the swagger that he brings to the offense. I think
that is great. R J.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Harvey has gotten better every single game.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
I'd like him to be better on kickoff, but we'll
get to special teams later. But I think offensive line, well,
they've protected not taking a lot of sacks. Defensively okay
here and there, but still a top union in the league.
I think Pastor Tad you know, they not necessarily humbled him,
but you know, the Colts went after him a little bit,
and he's responded every single week. I think Riley Moss
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is going to continue to get targeted, but I think
he's played really well. He's in position, te Higgins makes
one play and then t Higgins has another catch.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
But you know, their whole game plan was.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Like, all We're just going to throw at Riley Moss,
throw jump balls and live with that. And I think
he played really well. The Keenan Allen touchdown. You know,
he great coverage. You know, Nick Bodino just misses Justin
Herbert right there. Linebackers, you're worried a little bit in
terms of coverage and how Tyler Warren and Jonathan Taylor
kind of took advantage in the past game, but pretty
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much been solid. Alex Singleton's but the all over the
place Dredna's played really well. Nick Bedito, johnthan Cooper, best duo,
I would say in terms of pass rush in the league.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
So you're excited about that.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
I think you want to turnover some takeaways though, that's
got to be better. If you're going to be a
playoff super Bowl team, you got to turn You've got
to turn the other team over. And you you have
four so far. You got it, you got it. That
has to be only one pick Yep, you need more
of that. Special teams wise, I think that's been the
worst unit so far that has to have improvement. You know,
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you put one ball on the ground, the penalties, the
off size by Benito, the field goal lost to the Colts.
You know, those little things cannot happen. Running into the punter,
you know, can't have that. But I think there are
big opportunities for them to make sure ees Marvin Mims
is still an incredible dynamic returner.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I want R. J.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Harvey to run on kickoff return with the ball like
he does when he's playing running back. He seems very
hesitant when he's back there of how to set these
things up. It's like, hey man, you've got to run
and start with this ball. Let's go find the whole
find increase people on people like myself on kick I'll
have to tackle you.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
I don't want to tackle you, so run at me.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
So I think I think overall, you know, you give
the overall unit all three units A B, and then.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
You know you progress from there.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
But that's how that's high level, how I would look
at it, and how we're taught to look at it.
You know, in the building, it's the first four. You know,
now we're in a new season. We went to and
two in this mini season. Now we're on to the next.
So that's that's kind of how we looked at it
in the buildings I was in all like that, and
that's it's a really good breakdown. And I think a
lot of that almost as independent of the record, right.
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I mean a lot of those are just performance things
like these are things that you can continue to be
good at or be better at, and yet there's a sentiment.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
There where you feel like.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
There's so much more room for growth, right, And I
think that's the exciting part about it, and as long
as you actually get there, because the problem is is
sometimes we talk about potential, and for years with the
Broncos receiving core, for example, we talked about potential and like,
oh what they could be, what they could be, and
then they never really get there and then it's like,
all right, well next year maybe maybe maybe next year
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is the So Corlin's arrived, Troy still is in that
potential phase, right, and I think Marvin's maybe on the
far end of that potential phase where I think we're
starting to see what he's going to be pretty consistently.
But there's still so much potential there with the offense,
but you need some of these guys to become more
than that and if you're going to get to that level,
and that includes bon Nix, right, I mean, he is
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also kind of in that window of we see some
high level play, but we don't see it consistently enough.
They still have too many three and outs, and it
does feel like if they.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Get a first down, it feels.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Like, boy, they have have a chance to hit their
head against a goal post at that point because they're
probably going to move down the field pretty efficiently. But
it's that first first down. It seems almost impossible at times.
But this is a good answer from Sean Payton. He
was asked about what Bonix likes early in drives, and
here's what he said.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
He likes tempo, tempo to the line. Certainly last week,
I think we had two or three third down conversions
with tempo. He's at the line with twenty six seconds
now instead of breaking the huddle with eight. You know,
you adapt because that's something that a lot of these
college quarterbacks are, you know, and reducing the verbiage and
getting to where we can call plays with just one,
(15:30):
you know, one name, one syllable. Those are those are
some of the things that have changed.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
And you can't always go tempo because yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
May not want tempo. I may my defense might be tired,
you know. So if I'm going tempo, I want to
be able to control that.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
There's so many good things in there. What was the
first thing jumped out to you?
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Though?
Speaker 1 (15:50):
The first thing that jumps out to me is the
two minute drills in most of the games, at least
the last three games, not maybe not the first one,
but the last three games.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
He moves the ball in no huddle really well.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
I mean he sees the field really well. But that's
because the defense has to show their hand. You know,
you line up on the ball, you're going quicker. He can,
he can diagnose those things a lot easier. It's those
times where you know they're showing blitz zero and then
they drop out to cover eight and everybody's in coverage,
where you know, things get a little bit harder. I
would have loved to see a little bit more tempo
(16:24):
against the Chargers because they play that zone. Hopefully we
see some some tempo against the Eagles. Get Jalen Carter
a little tired, but hey, you know Fangio's playing this
cover two, cover four, cover forty two. You know, how
do you help bo really see the field, figure out,
you know, where his matchups are. And then also what
really stood out is these one words you know out yes,
(16:46):
you know we were talking off air about that, and
you know one of my I don't have a gripe
with Shan, It's not something I would never bring up
to him. But you know, this offense does have a
lot of words. You got a lot of personnel, and
then you have a lot of words. You're telling everybody
basically what to do.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
And what I loved.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
About playing in Peyton's offense it was it was one word.
We were able to play on the ball. We could
go ice cream ice cream, which is a we're going
dice right or dice left, which is you know a
two y two are you going trips right trips left?
Which three by one, and you just go ice cream
and he say omaha, omaha, said hut. And defense would
show what they're about to do, and then Peyton would call,
you know, a Rhode Island or Rhode Island protection or
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whatever the left protection was. I forgot what that the
name of it was, but then we would call our
play from there. You know, you know Shoel of Miami
or Beta Dallas or you know Dragon Lion, just you know,
concepts like that are Ulster or whatever.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Florida right Florida left tower, left tower, right photo.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
You know, I'm just thinking about all these terms. I'm
just going back in my mind right now of these things.
But you could play super fast because you understood the concept.
And I think, you know, if you could get your
receivers on that same page to understand the concept, Boke
can play a lot faster.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
You know, that's how he's used to playing.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
I'm also have to believe that Seawn really wants to
teach bo how to play NFL quarterback, because you know,
Sean's not a short term thinker. I'm not just going
to play to only your strengths and then we peter
out our offense. Peters out. You know, he talked about
playing complimentary football. I meane the defense just had a
long drive, and we need to sustain and drive. You know,
(18:15):
Tom Brady and Payton have been talking about online of recently,
you know, the development of quarterbacks, and I think Sean
is a developmental guy.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
You're going to learn how to read.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
These coverages in these defenses because long term, that is
actually going to help you out. See it's so funny
you say that, because I imagine for some Broncos fans
when they hear that, they're like, well, if bo likes
it this way, just do it that way. Aren't you
supposed to coach to your player's strengths.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, you're right, though.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
He's a teacher, and that's something that he said from
the very first moment he got here, that this was
something he was going to do with everybody. He does
it on both sides of the ball, right, I mean
all three phases. He teaches on special teams as well.
He loves doing that. But there is a certain amount
of like, okay, is they're overteaching, because that can happen
too if you're overwhelming the if you're over overwhelming the
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quarterback with the verbiage or overwhelming him with concepts, and
it sometimes does feel like Bonnix is overwhelmed.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yeah, and that's where the Seawan's awareness comes in.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Every single week, and he dials it back every single week,
and you see him dial it back from week one
to week two to week three to week four, and
it will be probably be dialed back even more weeks.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Five going on.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
But if you can actually handle all that and the
offense gets off to a great start, that's even better.
But I think, you know, how do you have to
get the sample size first? It's like, you know, hey,
I want to feel better. I want my body to
feel better, but you don't know what does your blood
work tell you? If you don't have any blood work,
how are you supposed to get better? How are you
(19:42):
supposed to know what supplements or to take? Are you
just going to go to Ho Food's and buy everything
off the counter because of what you read online? So
where's your sample size? The first four weeks isn't sample size?
And I think you know Seawn is going to continue.
That can change from year to year because in year
three of this offense, Bo might be able to handle that.
In week one and week two, and so well Courtland,
and so Troy and Marvin Mims and then Pat Bryant.
So it looks different every single year. And I think
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the best New Orleans years were later on. It wasn't
in year one, year two, it was in year three
four where Drew's throwing for four thousand, five thousand yards.
I think in the year three he threw for five
thousand yards because by the time he was able to
absorb all of it and then they kind of paired.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
It down to the things that he was doing. Well.
Then that's much easier for everybody, right.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Peyton Manning play Peyton Manning play at the same offense
for basically eighteen years, and year one he threw twenty
eight picks same offense as year eighteen.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
I mean, he wouldn't have done that if you were there.
I just think I think it takes I think it
takes time.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
And yeah, I think Sean is playing into some of
Bose shrinks, but he's also teaching him how to play
NFL quarterback. And I think the best organizations and coaches
take their time with this stuff. Look at Kevin O'Connell,
he's turned around, Carson Wentz's career, Sam Darnold's career, Kirks
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his career, Sean McVay, Stafford Golf done really well with
those guys.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Even Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Teaching these guys how to really play quarterback and how
to really read and progress through defenses. So I'm glad
Bo's getting it in year one. I mean, you don't
want to have a you know, I'm a star for
Shade here. You don't want to have a Nathaniel Hackett
situation where you draft Bow and then you've got to
fire him and then you have a new coordinator. Hopefully
Sean can be here for the next ten years and
both could play in this offense for a long time
(21:27):
because they would only get better. Well, it's Nathaniel Hackey family.
Sea said, Dave. Yeah, we get a chance to sit
down and talk Broncos excell to O's and we release
the show every Tuesday at one and you know, I
just get to you know, similar to you really just
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pick his mind in terms of how he thinks about
the game.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
And you know, Dave's great. I think he has a
great understanding.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
I think obviously having the view that he has calling
every game is very unique, and he gets a chance
to break some of these down.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
And also I.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Have my perspective, which you have yours, and you bring
it to a show in a different format and you're like,
what did you see? And it's crazy that you know
some of the things that he can see or pick
up or recall from that game. And also he has
the insight that we don't have. He's on the field
before the game, he's in some of these meetings, and
he gets to just be around and be on the
field and have that personal feel of what the energy
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was like, you know, pregame or even postgame. So I
enjoy it's he's incredibly perceptive. We were talking about that.
He's incredibly perceptive, and it is remarkable his recall on
not only moments in like the most recent game, but
going back years and he can just spit out a
play like, oh, I remember exactly this play and there
(22:45):
was this much time left on the clock.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
And there was this moment in the thing, and just like,
how the heck do you?
Speaker 1 (22:51):
I mean, with all of the football, Yeah, with all
the football that he's absorbed to be able to do that.
And one of the things I love about the show
with you guys is you're both wide receivers, right, so
there's a little bit of a speaking the same language
or defus Well, I.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Would never say something like that about Dave, but let's
be honest, I'm just kidding Dave.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Dave was the farthest thing from that, but No, I
just like, you know, there's something about playing the same
position and seeing the field the same way and having
to do some of the same kinds of things when
you're especially take taking a bigger, broader view of what
a team does. I think that's cool. Yeah, I appreciate it. Yeah,
we enjoy it, and yeah, we'ld love for people to
check it out and hear our perspective. I think you
(23:34):
should a couple more sound bites here. I want to
hear a little more from Bonick. So he was asked
about it how much it helps with JK. Dobbins playing
the way he is, especially on first down, what it
does for the offense.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Well, it's it's massive because then you're in second and five,
then you're in third and manageable. You know, those first
and second out runs are really important. Yeah, I think
at the end of the game, when you're able to
run the ball, when the defense knows you're running, it
is important. That's how you put games away, that's how
you win in four minutes. So that's one thing that
we can grow on from the other night, and you know,
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something that we're going to have to continue to do
in the future. And so between JK and r J
and the rest of the backs, whoever's out there getting touches.
I think they're going to be able to give us
an explosive opportunity, give us chances to keep the chains
moving and move forward.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
This isn't really foreign to JK. Dobbins.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
I mean, the average is five point three over the
course of his career, but you looked at the years
that he was most productive, at least he played the
most six yards per carry five point seven, four point six,
five point seven.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
I mean, this is just what he does.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
I got into an argument the other night, and I
still think I'm right, but that's the nature of this business.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
I still think I'm right.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
I got into argument with Nate Jackson and Rod Smith,
who again maybe played a little bit, and they said,
you should just continue to feed JK. Dobbins like he's
an RB one, like twenty carries a game, twenty touches,
twenty plus touches a game. And I said, no, that's
not why he and RJ. Harvey are here. And Sean
Payton laid this out to it for us very early
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in the season, saying, I want these guys to be
at their best in December and into January, and if
you run one of them into the ground now, you're
not going to have that ability. So for me, I
want the continued time share between these two running backs.
They disagree because JK is off to such a hot start.
Maybe you can help being a bit of a deciding
vote here. Yeah, I'm on your side because number one,
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you're playing the long term game. Number two, I also
think it throws the defense off. There's a little bit
of a change of pace because r J. Harvey does
have a lot of explosiveness in a different type of speed.
He's a different change of pace back. And Sean has
always had a two back system and he's always done
that really well. And I think he is getting his
rhythm and his play calling designed down for those two backs.
(25:53):
So I'm all with an all for the two back system.
I think we won the Super Bowl with the two
back system. SHEJ would get more, you know, more of
the carries later on in the game. But having a
Ronnie Hillman, you know, you think about the game we
played against the Minnesota Vikings. I don't know, he took
a carry, what's seventy five yards? He just had, you know,
crazy explosive ability. And I think that's where RJ comes
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into play. I think RJ has the more dynamic ability
in the past game. You saw that against the Cincinnati Bengals,
and I think Sean has done a great job in
trying to continue to get him more involved with the
swing passes, with the screen. So I think JK is
your four minute back. I think Tyler Berdez you are
two minute back. And I think they switch off every
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other series. You keep him healthy. You know, I want
JK to rush for one thousand yards, and I don't think,
you know, I'm not going to be short sighted or
short minded or you know, think short term, you know,
just trying to get him, you know, all those yards
in the first two months of the season. You know,
this is you know, we got three months left, you know,
(26:54):
so what was it we got? It's four games? So
how many more game?
Speaker 2 (26:59):
We got? Thirteen more? Yeah, thirteen more games.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
So you know, let's let's keep him healthy for those
games and let them, you.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Know, trade on and off. So that's what I want
to see.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I think JK has I thought he did a great
job of setting up his blocks like I've played with
a running back like that in Le'Veon Bell at Michigan State,
who just had that type of vision. And you know,
I don't know of and I don't know if you
can recall right now of backs in the NFL that
have that type of vision.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
And I'm talking about setting up your blocks.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Say, Quon's a great running back, but you know he's
more so hit the whole, make one cut.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Le'veon's one of the best I ever saw to do it.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Yeah, and I think what I saw from JK and
then I, you know, shout out to romy Bean. I
saw them do an interview where he talked about, you know,
he wants the defense to play at his pace. Yes,
and that's the first you know, that's the first time
I really saw that. Is probably because he got more
of a rhythm and the carries were better. But I
thought they did a great job. And you know what,
he he doesn't even have to be like I just
(28:00):
did the math, and again math is in my strong sea,
but I had a calculator out here. So he's got
three hundred and twenty three rushing yards so far to
the first four games.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
He just needs to average about fifty four yards.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
In fact, even a little bit less than fifty four
yards per game to get to a one thousand. He's
gonna probably get there as long as he stays healthy.
But the best chance for him to stay healthy for
a guy that's never played in an entire season is
to have a two back system. So I think even
though JK, and it's funny because I actually interviewed JK
during training camp and asked him about the two back
system and how excited he is about that. He's like,
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I don't I'm a number one. I want the ball
all the time. I was like, oh, I appreciate that. Yeah,
but I also think we can have a bigger picture
mentality about this and understand what you've done for the
course of your career and ultimately what you can benefit from.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
And I love that you said that, and I think
it's perfectly said.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
I wish I would have said it to Rod and
Nate the other day. Is that this is what Shawn's
Shawn's offense is, He's never had a guy that he
just universally.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Gives the ball too and doesn't involve anybody else.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
It was Alvin Kamara was mark Ingram when Reggie Bush
was the same thing. When you had Darren Sproles as
a change pace back. You had Pere Thomas, you had
guys that you are mixing in and they all had
a very specific role. But the thing about it is
is you didn't you didn't skip a beat when any
of them were in. But you could still do and
operate a lot of the things you wanted to be
able to do. And I think you have that with
these two guys. Yeah, And I think it will only
(29:22):
get better. I think it will continue to get better
with time. It's crazy to think about, obviously JK being
the one hundred yard rusher, the first one in the
Sean page.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Thirty seven games.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
But if even if you think about it, if we
look back and we take it, we take this high
level right now, Ryan, this is both of their first
years in this offense, which is even more exciting.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
You know, they'll get better with time.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Their rhythm will get better over this next quarter of
the season, their rhythm will be better in November and December.
And what they understand and them setting up blocks and
the offensive line learning how they play. So I think
they're scratching the surface. You know, we haven't even thought
about that. You know, we're talking about JK and RJ
number one because they're getting the ball a lot. But
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this is the first four weeks of their season ever
playing for Sean Payton and they're running back coat show.
Broncos Country should be really excited about this running game.
You're fifth in the league in rushing. If we talk
about overreacting to moments, right, if I had told Broncos
fans for the first month in the season the Broncos
were fifth and rushing, they'd be doing backflips like Daffie
Duck's style. Hopefully you can see more of that last
(30:34):
few minutes here with Benny Fowler, Benjamin all Bright Broncos
Country tonight, coming up at the top of the hour.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
High bend. Not that guy, it's a nice sure you
guy going there? That's good. My favorites.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Yeah, not lethal weapon, it's loaded weapon, the spoof and
it's in Japanese. Well, it's nobody else has this shirt,
No one on earth has this shirt. And it's a
rare moment that you're not going the deep V So
I appreciated have gotten this in then you know, I'm
suppose I could have a screenprint or something. We got
a really interesting game for Thursday night Football two, three
and one. Team is the line on it though eight
(31:05):
and a half and we'll get the official picks here
in just a second.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
I don't know, bennyt. I know the forty nine ers
were really banged up.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
No brock Perty, no Jwan Jennings, no Ricky Piersoll, Nickosa,
George Kittle.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
We know which Ray Ryan's. I know there's a lot
of guys.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
But Kyle Jenahan and Sean McVay a lot of awareness
of each other, and Kyle Shanahan just plays some pretty
tough he does. But all of those injuries that you
just said makes me think that the Rams are going
to come out here and get this win. Pukin Nakua,
it's bin on a tear. I think DeVante Adams is
scored in every game I believe, so I'm leaning towards
(31:42):
the Rams in this one.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
I don't think it's going to be a blowout. Just
you know Thursday night.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Games, there's not a lot of game planning going into it.
They both know each other really well, they both run
similar styles of offense. But that the injuries for the
forty nine Ers, I think it's brutal. CMC does he
go off tonight see, and that's where I wonder if
maybe for Kyle Shanahan it's actually maybe dialed back a
(32:07):
little bit there, because you can't lose him too like
you gotta you gotta start what is that not not quarantine,
but you gottaog triage. Yeah, you gotta triage this thing
a little bit like all right, see, yeah, you're gonna
get your normal twenty carries or twenty touches in the game,
but we we don't. We can't afford to lose you too. Well,
he can't coach like that. So and it's a Thursday,
(32:30):
and I go, if you don't, if you're in a
coach like that, you shouldn't plan him.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Okay, that's fair, Ben are you?
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (32:36):
I don't don't tell me your pick. We'll get to
your pick in a second.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
I was gonna do this whole little bit, but it's fine.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
I'm gonna call the forty nine ers offense the board
and identity because it's gonna be uh all Kendrick and
they not like us.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
To look disappointed. His faces right very quickly on Pokakua.
What makes him so what makes him so like incredibly
difficult to cover?
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Well?
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Sean McVay in the.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Way that he uses him in the offense, moves him
all around.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
I think he can run any route in the route tree.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
His hands, his creations, his separation ability, and I think
he just he knows how.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
He knows how to catch the ball.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
He can make the dynamic catch, he can make the
simple catch, he can make the hard catch. But Sean
McVay moves him around and puts him in spots where
he's either you inserting to block a certain guy, but
then he will also run that same motion insert in
the same way and then run a corner route or
an out route, or run an over route. So he
can run any route in the route tree. They can
move him all over. He understands leverage and coverage and
(33:41):
he's able to make big time plays and he catches.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
He's got mittens incredible
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