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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Jackson in studio. Wasn't some people you just call me
Jack nasty?
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (00:03):
Some people did?
Speaker 3 (00:04):
You can?
Speaker 1 (00:05):
You still can if you'd like. I thought you said
you didn't like that. I don't care. You can call
me whatever you want. Just call me as long as
you're calling me.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
You know, in this business sometimes getting the phone to
ring is well, let's got the challenges.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Man?
Speaker 4 (00:18):
You don't even me and just business, I mean just friends.
Just give me a call. Man, You actually like talking.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
On the phone? I do, but you don't do it much.
Nobody does it. I don't like talking on the phone.
Why it's not a phone?
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Guy?
Speaker 4 (00:28):
What about when you were a kid? What if you
had a crush? Did you talk on the phone to
the girl you liked in high school?
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Says Even that's not.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
A fair assessment because when I was a kid, we didn't.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Have cell phones.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
So now, as an adult with a cell phone that context,
I would much better have a text conversation with somebody,
even long form text conversation. Long.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Yeah, I'm fine with it, don't. I don't like talking
on the phone. And I think part of us.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
To say just just jump on the phone and call
because there's too much context, too much nuance to what
I'm trying to type here. It would just be easier
to have a five minute conversation.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
No, but you talk, I'm for a living for three hours.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
I think that's part of it. Why is I talk
so much that I don't want to talk? Like my brother,
for example, in Boston, he wants to have these long
form conversations because we had to catch up every so often.
And but he knows during football season and he's a musician,
so like, he doesn't care, he's a bass players, He's
like whatever, but he but during football season, he knows
that it's gonna be few and far between that I'm
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actually gonna talk to him. So he knows if he
really wants to talk to me, he's gonna text me,
and then we'll have long form text conversations.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Is it the same when you're at home with your
wife or you like just text me.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Oh, come on, I'm not I'm not an animal. Listen,
I'm not as gonna freak yourself in here.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
You know I'm not.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
I'm not a cold hearted person. What about just like
an old friend?
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Nope?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Still no, never, No, No, I'm good. They know they
get it.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Yeah, do you feel yourself drifting away from people? I
feel like I'm going to the caps of here.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
I do not.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I do not. I have my I am my circle
of friends, which is really just my wife, life and
my kids.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, and and then some work friends, which is the
next circle.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
And I'm happy. Yeah. How about you? I mean, do
you feel like as we turn the Yeah, I can't
ch up with friends on the phone?
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Do you?
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I do? You like phone always?
Speaker 4 (02:14):
But there's there's you know, a handful of friends where
we give each other a call and talk. I mean
I talk to my mom on the phone and my
brother every once.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
In a while. You know your wants to talk. Yeah,
I will call my mom. Yeah, I will call my dad. Yeah,
that's that's different. But it's a different generation of conversation.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Right, I'm not And I don't even know what long
form texting would look like with my mom.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
What does long form texting mean? Well, just like paragraphs, like.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Things that you probably could say, things you could say
on a phone. But you're like, I just don't want
to talk right now, so I will text with you.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
But then there's jokes and chokes are easier to deliver
with your with your mouth than there are with text.
Do you put haha at the end of a joke
or l L or I'm not your joke is funny enough.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I'm not that funny, So it's okay.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Yeah, context is lost with text, A little bit context.
I context, and I will I'll text you later.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Okay. Well, I look forward to hear from you. But
you are and I don't. We've only done a few
shows together. We don't text that often.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
But there are and I know this is an athlete
thing or just certain people, there are some people that
just don't like to respond to text right away.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Oh and and I'm not gonna call you out. You are, but.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
I'm saying there's a group of people, athletes, especially former athletes,
that I will send them a text and it will
be hours, if not days, that I hear back from them.
And I imagine it's because they get hit up all
the time, they just don't respond.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
I wouldn't say it's that exciting.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
My mom's in town and it's been kind of a
hect a couple of days in my house. But so
that's why I shouldn't hit you back right away. But
also if you text back right away to start a
friendship or relationship whatever, you're setting a precedent that you're
always going to text back right away.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
And so if you take a little bit of time
and maybe this is.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
More in relationship and ship's romantic relationship or whatever it
might be. But if you set a press it like
you're always right there, then you're always gonna be expected
to be right there.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
And then if it's like two hours, then you have
a texted well, what's wrong? Is there something? No, nothing's wrong.
I just didn't look at the phone.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
I don't want to respond that quickly to everything. Maybe
I just want a little autonomy. Maybe I don't want
to be a slave to this device that's melting my brain.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Are you trying to tell me already you need space?
I think I might.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
It's not you though, it's definitely yeah, No, it's already
Seinfeldian kind of thing, like, No, I don't want to
be right on my phone because if I text right away,
then they're gonna know that I'm like that guy.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Yeah, and yeah, I understand a little suspense. I'm trying
to play hard to get with you, right it is
it working?
Speaker 3 (04:40):
It is? No?
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Listen, now, I feel honored that you responded, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
No, that's that's part of it.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
So like you know, for example, this Sunday, our cover
starts at seven am, so I'm gonna be on the
air at seven am and I'm on the air until
nine pm. I'm not talking on the phones to anybody,
no for a day. Yeah, I mean it has to
be like a lot of talk. That's a lot of talking.
So I'm good, I'm taxed out. And most of the
people like the circles concentric circles. They all know at
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that point, Yeah, he's he's not going.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
To answer the phone. So that's fair.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah, But the worst part and then we we'll move
on to the Broncos because we ask some really good
stuff today. The worst part is now when somebody calls me,
I think something's wrong, Like you know what I'm saying,
Like most people reach out and text, but that if
somebody calls me that I wasn't expecting a call from,
I do answer because I'm like, what happened?
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Who died? And then they're like nothing.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
I just want to say high You're like, oh really
and you couldn't just text? Do you ever feel bad
when you see someone calling you someone you love?
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yeah? And you say nah ooh, and you just don't answer.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
If I do that very often, I usually will be
the hey, I can't really talk right now. That's more
of my thing, like hey, I'm sorry you text that
or you answering.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Well, if I'm on the.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Air, then it's easy to tell you, Hey, listen, you're
you're calling me from three to six? What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yeah? Do you know what? You know what I do?
Speaker 2 (06:05):
But if they call me an off time, most of
the time I'll pick up and be like, hey, so,
what's wrong? Okayques so but anyways, Yeah, it's just maybe
I've embraced the what is it? Probably gen alpha jen
agen Z. I don't know that the all the gens.
I can't I can't keep track of them. My kids
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are trying to constantly tell me which generation they're in
and which one I'm in.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
And I was like, where are you born?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Nineteen eighty so I'm like on the edge of like
gen X gen Z. Yeah for millennial millennial money, that's
where I'm at. Yeah, that's where I'm at.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
I think you're I think you're gen X millennial stars
right it nineteen eighty one?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Well, that's kind of a cusp, right, I mean, you're
right there on the border there, and I feel like
I identify a little bit more with a millennial.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
I'll do you. Yeah, that's unfortunate to hear.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Is that?
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Yeah, someone who's on the cusp is voluntarily choosing to
be a millennial instead of a gen x er. It's
it hurts, It hurts a little bit. I'm on nineteen
seventy nine, and I would never ever ever be caught
dead declaring myself a millennial.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
You're gonna break Grant's heart. No, no, no, I'm look, he
is a millennium.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
N that's his nickname, Millennial Grant, which is better, better,
better at not answering the phone, very true, basically basically, Yeah,
I think this is the litmus test for me that
I don't like talking on the phone. That literally general
landline that rings.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
No.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
I used to sell the phone.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I used to I used to just give out the
landline to everybody I didn't want to talk to or
you know whatever.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
You just you just never answered it.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
But then it's like, why am I paying for a
landline that I never will answer?
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Makes no sense. Well, you never know when you'll need it.
It's like like judgment take coming to cell phone towers
or whatever. Yeah, oh well actually very quickly by.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
So one day out in Parker the uh some some tower,
something happened where my kids, my wife didn't have internet
and or phone and it was like full on panic. Yeah,
Like they hit me up like two hours later, They're like,
oh my.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
God, we finally got through to you. We didn't know
what to.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Do, and I'm like, well, you could have just gone
outside and like, you know, touch some grass, I don't
know what, Like, it's gonna be fine, And like, well,
we couldn't get on the internet.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
We couldn't do anything. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
The dependence is troubling. Yeah, that all of us experience
on a daily basis. I mean, you think your phone's
in your pocket and you touch it, it's not there. Panic, panic, Yeah,
but you're gonna be fine.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Okay, there you go. Officially from May Jackson.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
But to round this out, yeah, athletes are pretty poor
at communicating because all we did was just go out
and on the field and performed right, everything took care
of itself. We're bad at the real world, we're bad
at the languages of life.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
But we're trying. Are you trying though. Yeah, okay, absolutely,
I mean I'm here, aren't I? You are? You are
sitting right here. You're very present, and I'm grateful for it.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
And I don't need to lump every every former athlete,
and I just it's an observation I've had over the
seventeen years of being in radio that it's like, there
are some people that will get you know, Benny text
me back right away yesterday.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Benny's a much more responsible type of format as well,
and he has.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Better takes too, because he agreed with me on the JK.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Dobbins R. J Harvey thing.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
So not only did he respond right away, but he
also is very very intelligent when it comes to his
opinions on the Broncos.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Yeah, I mean, she's a Sean Payton guy, and his
take is kind of, you know, baked into his understanding
of Sean Payton's philosophy as an offensive player. Rod and
I's take was about, you know, what we've experienced, and
Rod Smith is pretty smart, got some pretty good I
think I think there are two, you know, multiple ways
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to skin a cat when it comes to that. But
if we don't win games now, the games down the
road ain't gonna matter, and the way you win games
now is give the ball to your hot hand, the
guy who's playing the best, and that's JK.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Dobbins. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Well, like I said, you both have some strong arguments.
His with the ring of fame and you being charming.
I mean, you know it definitely helps. But I do
like the nuance of the discussion. And I think where
Benny's coming from to your point, is he played in
Shawn's system. We know what Seawn's system from the Saints is.
It's not like you're gonna convince Sean. Like if Sean
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Peyton sat down in the room and d Rod Smith
and Nate Jackson talking to Sean and saying, Sean, listen
to us, I know you know a lot about football,
but we do too, and we think you should just
give the ball to JK.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Dobbins. Shawn would sit there and go, all right, well,
let me just dust off my ring real quick.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Now.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Listen, Rod's got two of them. Rod does have two.
He's like, let me dust up both.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
By the math math would say Rod knows more. Now
in this case, Sean would say, I feel like though
I have a pretty good handle on what works for
my offense, and that's I think that's where he is
coming from, where Benny's coming from, and I think a
little bit of where I'm coming from, because that's what
Sean said at the beginning of the year. This is
what we're going to do. So this doesn't really seem
to be a well let's fight against this right now,
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because why it's not going to change.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Well, your philosophy has to adapt to the number one,
the team you have, which is different every year, and
the changing face of the NFL.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Whether or not you think the.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
NFL is gearing more towards a running attack more so
than a past friendly league, which it was for many years,
but it seems to have tapered off a little bit
and maybe teams that can run the ball more effectively
are having a little bit more success now if that
factors into the way you look at game planning, how
you're going to break it up. Also Sean Payton thirty thirty,
thirty and thirty in September forty seven and sixteen in October,
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which tells me that he comes into the season with
a plan about a lot of stuff that he wants
to do. Then he starts to get to know his
team and pair that down and listen to what his
players are saying.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
JK.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Dobbins after the game said, we talked about this that
Sean's starting to understand us more and understand that like
feed me, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
And so I think Sean Payton can see it both ways.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Think he wants to win more so than anything and
whatever it takes to win, if it takes given JK.
Dobbins the ball thirty times, then he'll do that because
ultimately history is going to judge him by the wins
and the losses.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I will say, as we're having this discussion, taking a
step back for a minute, I'm so happy to be
here just thinking about what the running game was last
year and the debates we had and it even over
the last several years. And it's not to be down
on Jevonti Williams because when he was drafted, his rookie
year is very, very good. But this has been one
of the biggest sources of frustration I think for the
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fan base besides the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
And that is actually we're going to come.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Back to this conversation because right now we're head out
to the Kawa Kown Spirit Health Hotline and bring on
Patzer Tan. He's joining us right now. Pat, you know,
with Ryan Verards and Nate Jackson. How are you, man,
I'm doing good, iding doing great.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Are you on the bus on the way to the
airport right now?
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Okay, we'll keep this very very quick. Man.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
How excited are you guys about this game and the
opportunity to really go up against one of the best
teams in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
The game.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Again, I said, how excited are you about this matchup
with the Eagles and she has to go up against
one of the best teams in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Very excited. I think it's a good.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
Opportunity for us to really exceed on Mark, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 1 (13:17):
In the NFL.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
I'm going to growing up against a great team in Philly.
You know, obviously we know it's not gonna be easy,
but uh, you know, we're looking forward to the battle.
It should be pretty fun.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
So Pat, talk a little bit about the matchups you got.
Obviously you're going to be facing a J. Brown, but
he's not the only receiver you're going to face. They
got some weapons there. They also have a strong running attack.
How do you approach trying to stop this offense?
Speaker 5 (13:40):
Okay, Yeah, we just got to poach a snap by
snap eliminating what they're good at. You know, they didn't
do a great job of throwing the game down by
capitalizing on a run game, and off the run game,
they got a great battance attack in the pass game
that allows them to create explosive So I think it
starts up up front dominating the trenches and also in
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the back end making sure we're doing our job and
trying to make on one dimensional.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
I know that you're playing in the secondary, but we
know what happens with some of these mobile quarterbacks like
Jalen Hurts, and if you're not really paying attention, he
can get behind you in a hurry if you're say,
playing in man. So is that when you're approaching a
guy like Jalen Hurts, you're approaching these kind of mobile quarterbacks.
How much does that factor into what you're doing in
the back end.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
Yeah, I think it affects it a lot, because we
realize going up against a mobile quarterback, there's a lot
of variables that happen.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
You know, he can scramble, create a second phase.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
So I think it's all about us in the back
end faster and on our guys and eliminating in that.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
So, so you guys are heading out Friday, sometimes you
head out Saturday. What's the difference there when you get
to there two days ahead of time? Do you prefer
that or do you like going one day ahead of
time and just going going to work the next day?
Speaker 5 (15:06):
I don't know, but I know when we leave Friday
is sort of because the week short, you know, it's
time I want to join my Friday.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yeah, not be on the team bus. But uh, I
think I think it's I think it's good.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
I think you could optimize on getting rest, uh you
know what I mean, and uh, you know, setting your
body uh you know to the Eastern time zone, you know,
I mean different from Mountain time zone. So I think
that's the whole purpose of it, for us to really,
uh be acclimated to the different time zones and stuff
like that. Uh so we could arrested for the game.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
All right, let's get to this quickly.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
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Speaker 1 (15:48):
This question is from Hope. Hi, my name is Hope.
I'm ten years old, and I have a question for you.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
If you had to choose what reality to show, would
you join.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Reality TV show that's doing because last year, I know
I got quite the bush hole, but uh, let me
think shoes great. I already watched much reality TV and
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I probably got I don't know, probably like Jersey Shore
or something. There we go. Nice.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
I was gonna bail you out with like The Bachelor
or something.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Oh yeah, Bashel Love. I think I think I'm done
with them dating shows.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I'm tired of them, all right, Jersey Shore, get in
the club, Little Jim Tann laundry on a Friday.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Yeah, yeah, no doubt. All right, experience that.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
That's awesome. Hey, Pat, we appreciate you. I know you guys.
Run your way out and we'll chat with you next week.
Thank you. Passer Tan on the bus not.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
A great place for the interview because you got all
the dudes around you.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Yeah you know, you know, yeah, right, all a little
people behind the curtain, so you obviously played and then
me as an interviewer in the locker room, there's moments
where you're trying to interview somebody and there's somebody behind
them or behind me and just making vases and.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Some jerk messing it up, being unprofessional while you're trying
to do your job, to.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Do my job. That was usually me, man.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
I used to like to tease you guys a little bit,
ruffle your feathers a little bit.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
We need it.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Yeah, you guys do very serious in there, I know,
too serious. And we're all naked. Man, Well that part,
I mean, are partially naked. I mean, and you're standing
there next to the showers.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I've never liked that part. I've never, ever, ever, ever
liked that part. Why don't they just change it permanently?
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Well, I know the PA has been pushing for that
and having the interviews out the locker room.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Which I'm I'm fall for.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Like there's some media pushback on that, like we need
to be in there while you guys are changing.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
There is and I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
I'm telling you right now, and I'm not trying to
throw anybody, particularly under the bush. I do understand some
value of being in the locker room because there's a
vibe you can get from the team.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Some of the conversations you absolutely can't report on.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
But at least you can kind of see, you know,
where's everybody's head at after a loss, after a couple
of wins, Okay, you know, hey, this is how they're
responding to it, that type of thing. You know, there'd
be times were like, hey, the Broncos just went on
a string of losses and then all of a sudden
they're goofing around in the locker room and some one laughing, Yeah,
you're not supposed to be unacceptable. It was that like
you'd say that, but you just get a sense of
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what it is. But you can still do all those
things and not have the interview. You can say, hey,
can you can we come out into the hallway. I
think that's completely appropriate. And for me, just for me,
I like it better that way because I get cleaner audio.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
That is like a more me thing as an audio guy.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Because as we're even listening there with with Pat, we
have to again peek behind the curtain, be listening for
the background. If somebody decides to drop some kind of language.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Just to right right right right, yeah, and they might
not have been trying to mess with you. They're just
having a conversation amongst themselves. They don't know Pat is
on an actual interview. They might just think he's talking
on the phone. You wouldn't be talking on the phone.
He'd be texting long form. But pat might just be
talking to someone. They're not listening to pad, they're talking
to each other, and then they throw out an F
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bomb and you've got an SEC violation on your hands.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
So we had to be very careful about that.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
We don't want to we don't want to lose anything,
no anymore that we have. If you had to be
on a reality TV show, Nate Jackson, what would it be.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Well, I have been on a reality TV show, and
no one's gonna remember this reality TV show. It was
a dating show. And this was back in the early
two thousands. It was called Rendezvue. Okay, only lasted for
a couple of seasons. It was it was a dating show.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Okay. They paired me with a with a gal and
we went on a date and they had.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
Cameras in our faces and tried to get us drunk
and make us talk about things we would have never
talked about on a first date.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
There's producers there who you know.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
You take a break and then the producer will come
up and tell you, yeah, this is you're doing great,
and they split you up to have this conversation. You're
doing great, you guys are awesome. Why don't you ask
her if she's ever had a one night stand? Okay, right,
So that's why on these dating shows they have these conversations.
It's not normal to have these conversations with someone you
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just met unless there's a producer.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Getting you liquored up and feeding you the lines.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Will she ask you the same question similarly awkward ones, Yeah,
or at least was prepared for those that.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Line of questioning.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
I mean all the wholesome stuff, they get to know
you stuff, they're really nice stuff that we had, they
didn't make the show. The stuff that made the show
was the salacious stuff, of course. And then they have
editorial control to edit anything you say or make it
look a different way, or.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Edit something you said at the end of the day
dates at.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
The very beginning, like you just met and then you
told that really bad joke that was really told after
you've been together for nine hours.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
So yeah, that was your last foray into reality TV.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
And then the girl that I went on that show with,
I saw her on like two more dating shows. She
was a serial dating show. What participant? Did you feel
a little betrayed? I did, but we remained Facebook friends.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Really.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Now she's happily married, she's got a couple of kids.
So I'm happy for her.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Okay, good for her. She found love. Is she still
doing the circuit? I don't think some of the circuit?
No love is blind Denver? Yeah, yeah, no, not doing that.
It was blind Date was kind of the the first one,
you know, now, I don't know, do you remember that? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
And and a.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
Lot of them were modeled in a way off like
third wheel blind date like little things. They kind of
were in the same wheelhouse. Uh, but those were pop
there for a while, and I and I agreed to
do one.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
How did we don't have so many questions? Yeah, and
we don't have enough time, darn, but very oh gosh,
but very quickly. How did you get into that?
Speaker 4 (22:13):
I was walking into a bar in Hollywood, of course,
on my birthday. I was twenty two years old, and
some like scout person who goes around bars and Hollywood
approached me and.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Asked me if I'd be interested in this and gave.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
Me their card, and I gave him my number and
they said, no, this is like the blind Date show,
but it's the classier version.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Oh okay, you know, oh okay, So they called parents
right now.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Yeah, they called me and you know, asked me to
come in and I did, and I filled out a
but you had to dress like you were going out,
and filled out a bunch of you know, a big
long questionnaire and then did like a sample sort of
on camera interview to see if you were entertaining personality
enough to be able to hold, you know, a conversation.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
And then and then I went home and uh.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
And then like three four weeks later, they called me
and said we found your perfect girl, and like how's
and this was like a Monday is like how's Wednesday sound?
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I'm like okay.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
So I was living in LA at the time, training
for my senior year of college football. But I was
staying in a friend's apartment who went to USC and
that neighborhood in USC is not very nice. We had
like bars on the door and stuff like that. And
I remember like pacing back and forth in the apartment
like what am I doing?
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Why am I doing this? What am I doing?
Speaker 4 (23:28):
And then all of a sudden, knock at the door
and it was the producer who came to the door
first to just kind of be like, Okay, here's what
we're gonna do. She's in the car, she's gonna come
out here in a second. And her name was Mimi. Okay,
not the producer, but my day. And then a couple
of minutes later, me me came to the door and
like knocked on the bars like the and then started
our day and we went all around LA.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I can't believe it didn't work out. Yeah, I know
what would have thought?
Speaker 2 (23:52):
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All right, so let's talk about from the defensive side
of things. For a second, how are you how are
you trying to shut down? I guess more specifically, what
are you focusing the most on? When it comes to
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the Eagles offense, it's got to.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Be Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
You know.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Of course Taquon Barkley scares you in a way just
because he's a really good back. But it's not like
you know, it's an he's he presents an unusual schematic challenge,
whereas Jalen Hurts does he's just kind of really savvy
taking off using his legs. I mean, he rushed for
I think sixteen on yards last week on nine carries,
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and he just has a really you know, unusual skill
to be able to pick up those yardage, get out
of bounds, get down, not get hit. Uh And and
so I think that's the challenge to make him uncomfortable,
to make him stand in the pocket, keep him in there.
But then you also don't want to just like let
him hang in the pocket because he's got some weapons.
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And so there's this weird fine line because you know,
a couple a couple of years back, I don't know
if you remember this, but Lamar Jackson came to town
and Vic Vangio's game plan was to do the mush rush.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Remember the mushry. I remember the mush rush.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
It runs with tush push, but uh, the mush rush
wasn't working that day.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
You know.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
The idea was because Lamar Jackson's a really effective runner,
you want to kind of clog up those lanes.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Don't really you.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Know, do a lot of twisting and and and scheming
up your attack of him, but really just everyone kind
of push your guy back and hold him in the pocket.
Well they did that, and he picked him. Apart from
the pocket. Some people kind of disregard Jalen Hurst's ability
to throw the football for some reason. But he's a
Super Bowl champion, Super Bowl MVP, right, was he the MVP?
Speaker 1 (26:08):
He was the MVP.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Yes, yeah, So you got to respect his legs and
you gotta respect his arm. And so I think the
defensive game plan and how they approach containing Jalen Hurts
and making him a one dimensional player and taking one
of those away, and.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
I think you want to try to take away his legs.
That'll be the challenge.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yeah, that feels like if there's going to be a focus,
And again, you're right, he can't pick you apart in
the passing year, but that hasn't been great for them
so far.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
But you also don't want to be the team that
wakes that up.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
You don't want to all of a sudden it's like, oh, boy,
Saquon Barkley got back on track, and oh and all
of a sudden, A J. Brown had a big game,
and so did Devonte Smith and it looks like they're
going to have their full compliment to everybody. I'd look
at the practice report moments ago and yeah, I mean,
Dallas Goddard, Everybody's gonna be out there for them.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
So yeah, it's it presents.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Multiple challenges that they're a really good team for a reason,
I'm inclined to agree with you. The only thing that
you do wonder about for the Broncos like where are
you most susceptible at? Because this is what good coaching is, right,
They're going to find the thing that they believe is
your weakness. There's a reason why they have multiple block
field goals or multiple block kicks or punts like they
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had this last week is because they spend all week
studying and saying, oh, well, look.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
At that one guy.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
That one guy is the guy we're gonna target and
we're gonna we're gonna bull rush him. And happened last
year with the Kansas City game. Yeah, we got a
bull rush on one of your offensive linemen.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I think there was Forsyth.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
And then ended up getting a block field goal. So
I wonder if you're the Eagles offense, what will be
that point of attack. It feels to me like it's
our inside linebackers and especially in coverage. But that's gonna
be a problem all season now, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
It is?
Speaker 4 (27:49):
And I think, you know, particularly Alex Singleton coming off
in a cl he's getting better every week. I think
he's becoming more himself. So you know, I think I
don't think he's as bad as some people are are
acting like he is in coverage.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
And that said, I don't think Saquon.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Barkley is a particularly potent pass threat, not really, you
know what I mean. Like he's a really good running back,
but he's not some joker type of running back. And
so I don't think, you know, Alex Singleton's gonna have
too much trouble there now always a challenge, and I
don't think they'll put him, you know, Manna Man on
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Saquon Barkley too much. But when they do, I think
he'll be up for the task. But it's like, you know,
the Broncos are leading the league in sacks. They have
to get after Jalen Hurts and not give him much time.
We will vance Joseph decide to blitz a lot to
do that, or will he drop back in coverage and
do some zone stuff. I mean, Vic Fangio is the
king of zone coverage, and and so the Broncos offense
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is going to get a lot of that. What will
vance Joseph dial up? I think it's a combination. But
I think you're gonna You're gonna have to put pressure
on Jalen Hurts. If you allow him to sit back there,
nobody can cover anyone for very long. And and what
you mentioned there about awakening the beast, you know a
j Brown is not going to be unproductive forever. You know,
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those guys are at some point going to get uncorked.
And and so there's a couple of different ways to
look at the offensive ineptitude and their ability to win. Anyway,
it's that oh, when they finally do start clicking, look
out because they found a way to win in spite
of these bad offensive performances or they're just not that
good this year. They've gotten some lucky endings and they're
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really probably gonna fade once they start, you know, block,
when they stop blocking kicks and whatnot. Either the way
I'm looking at it, for these Broncos, you played Mike
Tyson spunch out.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Oh yeah, rubbed it. Last week the Broncos fought Glass Joe. Yeah,
all right, good analogie.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
Oh yeah, they're they're facing Iron Mike on Sunday. They
got to be patient in the first round. They try
for the knockout blow, they're gonna get knocked out. You
got to be patient, stick with your game plan, and
if you stick with it, you can wear them down
and you could beat Iron Mike. But it's a much
different competition and it's a much different set of guys.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
It's in hostile territory.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
You're going to Philly where where they're going to be
saying things to you and about your family that's going
to make you want to curl up in a ball
and cry.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
But you can't cry. It's no place to cry. They
boot Santa Claus there, exactly. They boot Santa Claus they
cheered the guys who get hurt, Yes, they do. No mercy,
there's no mercy. It's not so fie.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Where everyone's doing long form texting during the show. You
like that, huh long form blog form, blog form texting. Well,
it should be watching the game. But yeah, you're right,
people are on their phones. It's probably a little too much.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Yeah, and they show up in the second quarter and
leave in the third. Traffic. I would never do that
on the four h five, Yeah, I would. I would
never do that.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
But you're right, it's not it's not the warm and
cuddly crowd so far versus Yeah, Philly, and it's that
that's a completely different deal. I thought you brought up
a really good point there, specifically on are they who
they've been or like this is going to be who
they are for a little while longer, or are they
just kind of waiting for to be in locks? Right,
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because we know, we know what this iteration of this
offense with this quarterback, these receivers and this running back
look like when they're at peak performance.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
It's different offensive coordinator.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Now, so maybe when we come back and want to
get into that just a little bit more, you know,
you just.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Left it all out on the field. Did you ever
cry after a game? I cried after one game.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Yeah, but it was because I was just exhausted and
my dad like was down on the field and he
came up and gave me a hug, and I just
was kind of just weeping.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
That'll do it in his in his arms. Yeah. We
lost by two points. Scored four touchdowns and I threw one.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
I had like fifteen catches for two sixty something. What yeah?
Wait what Yeah? And you lost by two points? Yeah,
so the game of your life. Yeah, and we lost.
It came out like five yards short when the last
play of the game.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
It was heartbreaking and I was physically just absolutely done.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
I'm thinking of crying right now. Seriously, I'm getting teared
up a little bit. That's that's a tense man. Yeah,
it was. It was. It was statistically the best game
I ever had. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Well, I can't imagine many people, whatever, whatever walk of
life or job you have in your life, imagining a
four touchdown perform five touchdown performance.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Yeah, an extra point.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
I was a kicker that year too, kicked a couple
extra points.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
It was.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
It was this like eight man football.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
It was.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
I mean I was play D three, but we played
the University of San Diego, which was a D one
double A school, and Jim Harbour would end up coaching
there the next year. There are two years after that,
but uh, the Terrero's I think their mascot was. But
now it was just like one of the you know,
the best games I had and we lost it and
I wept like a baby.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
I have no problem with that whatsoever. I want you
to know. I'm not even I think that's great. Yeah,
that's great, it's great. Yeah. Well, I mean you remember
last year or was.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
It two years ago with Caleb Williams when he was
crying in the stands with his parents and everything, and
people are like, oh, well, you know, quarterbacks and men
shouldn't cry. It's like, hey man, it's overwhelming, like you're
doing this and this, or the physical exertion of it
and losing like he.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Lost it can take its toll.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
Football is an emotional game and you put so much
into it and if you do leave it all out there,
you never know what can come out.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
I mean.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
The problem with that Caleb, you know, Killer Williams and
the quarterbacks and the way it is now the cameras
are on you.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
You can't escape it. You can't have a private moment.
That's right, and if you do, but I think it
was more to Caleb Williams.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
And then it's that one incident, you know, like if
he wasn't painting his fingernails paint and doing.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Other stuff like that too. A problem with that.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
I don't have a problem with it personally, but when
you're trying to get into this machio world to convince
people you're going to be this leader of men that
it can make people pause, and people on like First
Take have a problem with it.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
You know, there's a lot of yelling that happens on
that show. Yes, but they don't bring it down real low.
That's pretty good. That's like this spot not actually yeah,
And and you look for those things. They especially look
for those day.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
I think media in general looks for reasons to break
down people, right for example in that And I don't
want to get off too far on the tangent here,
but I just want to say that I personally, if
you can play the position at a high level and
you can help a team win, I don't think any
of that matters personally.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
But I understand that, you know.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Hey, in the locker room, and we haven't come that
far yet where there's acceptance of some of those emotional
sides of men.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
I don't know. I think I don't think that's true.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
I think as far as you know, maybe the media
and the and the conversation around it, but you know,
you will guys in the locker room crying in their locker.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
After again, it's not a problem, right, no, no, no, oh good,
absolutely not.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
I think guys, you know, because they care that much,
you know, and maybe they're frustrated or something. And you know,
a lot of guys like you never know what they're.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Carrying in to that moment.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
Maybe they have some stuff going on with their family, sure,
you know, maybe they just lost a family member, maybe
their mom or their dad is sick, maybe their kid.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Is going through something, you know, and you take it
out there and then you try to forget.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
It, and for those three hours you get to, but
then you walk off that field and it all comes
flooding back. Life just comes right back into you and
you remember everything you're going through. And so I think
that those displays of emotion for a player amongst his
teammates is not that unusual and not frowned upon either.
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I think it's from without, you know the guys who
are the people who are not playing, who are judging
what's a guy supposed to do in this situation?
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Well, what you're supposed to do and what actually happens
or what you do are often different.
Jackson in studio. Wasn't some people you just call me
Jack nasty?
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (00:03):
Some people did?
Speaker 3 (00:04):
You can?
Speaker 1 (00:05):
You still can if you'd like. I thought you said
you didn't like that. I don't care. You can call
me whatever you want. Just call me as long as
you're calling me.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
You know, in this business sometimes getting the phone to
ring is well, let's got the challenges.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Man?
Speaker 4 (00:18):
You don't even me and just business, I mean just friends.
Just give me a call. Man, You actually like talking.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
On the phone? I do, but you don't do it much.
Nobody does it. I don't like talking on the phone.
Why it's not a phone?
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Guy?
Speaker 4 (00:28):
What about when you were a kid? What if you
had a crush? Did you talk on the phone to
the girl you liked in high school?
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Says Even that's not.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
A fair assessment because when I was a kid, we didn't.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Have cell phones.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
So now, as an adult with a cell phone that context,
I would much better have a text conversation with somebody,
even long form text conversation. Long.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Yeah, I'm fine with it, don't. I don't like talking
on the phone. And I think part of us.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
To say just just jump on the phone and call
because there's too much context, too much nuance to what
I'm trying to type here. It would just be easier
to have a five minute conversation.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
No, but you talk, I'm for a living for three hours.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
I think that's part of it. Why is I talk
so much that I don't want to talk? Like my brother,
for example, in Boston, he wants to have these long
form conversations because we had to catch up every so often.
And but he knows during football season and he's a musician,
so like, he doesn't care, he's a bass players, He's
like whatever, but he but during football season, he knows
that it's gonna be few and far between that I'm
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actually gonna talk to him. So he knows if he
really wants to talk to me, he's gonna text me,
and then we'll have long form text conversations.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Is it the same when you're at home with your
wife or you like just text me.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Oh, come on, I'm not I'm not an animal. Listen,
I'm not as gonna freak yourself in here.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
You know I'm not.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
I'm not a cold hearted person. What about just like
an old friend?
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Nope?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Still no, never, No, No, I'm good. They know they
get it.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Yeah, do you feel yourself drifting away from people? I
feel like I'm going to the caps of here.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
I do not.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I do not. I have my I am my circle
of friends, which is really just my wife, life and
my kids.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, and and then some work friends, which is the
next circle.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
And I'm happy. Yeah. How about you? I mean, do
you feel like as we turn the Yeah, I can't
ch up with friends on the phone?
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Do you?
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I do? You like phone always?
Speaker 4 (02:14):
But there's there's you know, a handful of friends where
we give each other a call and talk. I mean
I talk to my mom on the phone and my
brother every once.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
In a while. You know your wants to talk. Yeah,
I will call my mom. Yeah, I will call my dad. Yeah,
that's that's different. But it's a different generation of conversation.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Right, I'm not And I don't even know what long
form texting would look like with my mom.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
What does long form texting mean? Well, just like paragraphs, like.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Things that you probably could say, things you could say
on a phone. But you're like, I just don't want
to talk right now, so I will text with you.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
But then there's jokes and chokes are easier to deliver
with your with your mouth than there are with text.
Do you put haha at the end of a joke
or l L or I'm not your joke is funny enough.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I'm not that funny, So it's okay.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Yeah, context is lost with text, A little bit context.
I context, and I will I'll text you later.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Okay. Well, I look forward to hear from you. But
you are and I don't. We've only done a few
shows together. We don't text that often.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
But there are and I know this is an athlete
thing or just certain people, there are some people that
just don't like to respond to text right away.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Oh and and I'm not gonna call you out. You are, but.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
I'm saying there's a group of people, athletes, especially former athletes,
that I will send them a text and it will
be hours, if not days, that I hear back from them.
And I imagine it's because they get hit up all
the time, they just don't respond.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
I wouldn't say it's that exciting.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
My mom's in town and it's been kind of a
hect a couple of days in my house. But so
that's why I shouldn't hit you back right away. But
also if you text back right away to start a
friendship or relationship whatever, you're setting a precedent that you're
always going to text back right away.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
And so if you take a little bit of time
and maybe this is.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
More in relationship and ship's romantic relationship or whatever it
might be. But if you set a press it like
you're always right there, then you're always gonna be expected
to be right there.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
And then if it's like two hours, then you have
a texted well, what's wrong? Is there something? No, nothing's wrong.
I just didn't look at the phone.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
I don't want to respond that quickly to everything. Maybe
I just want a little autonomy. Maybe I don't want
to be a slave to this device that's melting my brain.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Are you trying to tell me already you need space?
I think I might.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
It's not you though, it's definitely yeah, No, it's already
Seinfeldian kind of thing, like, No, I don't want to
be right on my phone because if I text right away,
then they're gonna know that I'm like that guy.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Yeah, and yeah, I understand a little suspense. I'm trying
to play hard to get with you, right it is
it working?
Speaker 3 (04:40):
It is? No?
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Listen, now, I feel honored that you responded, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
No, that's that's part of it.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
So like you know, for example, this Sunday, our cover
starts at seven am, so I'm gonna be on the
air at seven am and I'm on the air until
nine pm. I'm not talking on the phones to anybody,
no for a day. Yeah, I mean it has to
be like a lot of talk. That's a lot of talking.
So I'm good, I'm taxed out. And most of the
people like the circles concentric circles. They all know at
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that point, Yeah, he's he's not going.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
To answer the phone. So that's fair.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah, But the worst part and then we we'll move
on to the Broncos because we ask some really good
stuff today. The worst part is now when somebody calls me,
I think something's wrong, Like you know what I'm saying,
Like most people reach out and text, but that if
somebody calls me that I wasn't expecting a call from,
I do answer because I'm like, what happened?
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Who died? And then they're like nothing.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
I just want to say high You're like, oh really
and you couldn't just text? Do you ever feel bad
when you see someone calling you someone you love?
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yeah? And you say nah ooh, and you just don't answer.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
If I do that very often, I usually will be
the hey, I can't really talk right now. That's more
of my thing, like hey, I'm sorry you text that
or you answering.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Well, if I'm on the.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Air, then it's easy to tell you, Hey, listen, you're
you're calling me from three to six? What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yeah? Do you know what? You know what I do?
Speaker 2 (06:05):
But if they call me an off time, most of
the time I'll pick up and be like, hey, so,
what's wrong? Okayques so but anyways, Yeah, it's just maybe
I've embraced the what is it? Probably gen alpha jen
agen Z. I don't know that the all the gens.
I can't I can't keep track of them. My kids
(06:26):
are trying to constantly tell me which generation they're in
and which one I'm in.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
And I was like, where are you born?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Nineteen eighty so I'm like on the edge of like
gen X gen Z. Yeah for millennial millennial money, that's
where I'm at. Yeah, that's where I'm at.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
I think you're I think you're gen X millennial stars
right it nineteen eighty one?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Well, that's kind of a cusp, right, I mean, you're
right there on the border there, and I feel like
I identify a little bit more with a millennial.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
I'll do you. Yeah, that's unfortunate to hear.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Is that?
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Yeah, someone who's on the cusp is voluntarily choosing to
be a millennial instead of a gen x er. It's
it hurts, It hurts a little bit. I'm on nineteen
seventy nine, and I would never ever ever be caught
dead declaring myself a millennial.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
You're gonna break Grant's heart. No, no, no, I'm look, he
is a millennium.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
N that's his nickname, Millennial Grant, which is better, better,
better at not answering the phone, very true, basically basically, Yeah,
I think this is the litmus test for me that
I don't like talking on the phone. That literally general
landline that rings.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
No.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
I used to sell the phone.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I used to I used to just give out the
landline to everybody I didn't want to talk to or
you know whatever.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
You just you just never answered it.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
But then it's like, why am I paying for a
landline that I never will answer?
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Makes no sense. Well, you never know when you'll need it.
It's like like judgment take coming to cell phone towers
or whatever. Yeah, oh well actually very quickly by.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
So one day out in Parker the uh some some tower,
something happened where my kids, my wife didn't have internet
and or phone and it was like full on panic. Yeah,
Like they hit me up like two hours later, They're like,
oh my.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
God, we finally got through to you. We didn't know
what to.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Do, and I'm like, well, you could have just gone
outside and like, you know, touch some grass, I don't
know what, Like, it's gonna be fine, And like, well,
we couldn't get on the internet.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
We couldn't do anything. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
The dependence is troubling. Yeah, that all of us experience
on a daily basis. I mean, you think your phone's
in your pocket and you touch it, it's not there. Panic, panic, Yeah,
but you're gonna be fine.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Okay, there you go. Officially from May Jackson.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
But to round this out, yeah, athletes are pretty poor
at communicating because all we did was just go out
and on the field and performed right, everything took care
of itself. We're bad at the real world, we're bad
at the languages of life.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
But we're trying. Are you trying though. Yeah, okay, absolutely,
I mean I'm here, aren't I? You are? You are
sitting right here. You're very present, and I'm grateful for it.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
And I don't need to lump every every former athlete,
and I just it's an observation I've had over the
seventeen years of being in radio that it's like, there
are some people that will get you know, Benny text
me back right away yesterday.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Benny's a much more responsible type of format as well,
and he has.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Better takes too, because he agreed with me on the JK.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Dobbins R. J Harvey thing.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
So not only did he respond right away, but he
also is very very intelligent when it comes to his
opinions on the Broncos.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Yeah, I mean, she's a Sean Payton guy, and his
take is kind of, you know, baked into his understanding
of Sean Payton's philosophy as an offensive player. Rod and
I's take was about, you know, what we've experienced, and
Rod Smith is pretty smart, got some pretty good I
think I think there are two, you know, multiple ways
(09:43):
to skin a cat when it comes to that. But
if we don't win games now, the games down the
road ain't gonna matter, and the way you win games
now is give the ball to your hot hand, the
guy who's playing the best, and that's JK.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Dobbins. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Well, like I said, you both have some strong arguments.
His with the ring of fame and you being charming.
I mean, you know it definitely helps. But I do
like the nuance of the discussion. And I think where
Benny's coming from to your point, is he played in
Shawn's system. We know what Seawn's system from the Saints is.
It's not like you're gonna convince Sean. Like if Sean
(10:19):
Peyton sat down in the room and d Rod Smith
and Nate Jackson talking to Sean and saying, Sean, listen
to us, I know you know a lot about football,
but we do too, and we think you should just
give the ball to JK.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Dobbins. Shawn would sit there and go, all right, well,
let me just dust off my ring real quick.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Now.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Listen, Rod's got two of them. Rod does have two.
He's like, let me dust up both.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
By the math math would say Rod knows more. Now
in this case, Sean would say, I feel like though
I have a pretty good handle on what works for
my offense, and that's I think that's where he is
coming from, where Benny's coming from, and I think a
little bit of where I'm coming from, because that's what
Sean said at the beginning of the year. This is
what we're going to do. So this doesn't really seem
to be a well let's fight against this right now,
(11:02):
because why it's not going to change.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Well, your philosophy has to adapt to the number one,
the team you have, which is different every year, and
the changing face of the NFL.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Whether or not you think the.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
NFL is gearing more towards a running attack more so
than a past friendly league, which it was for many years,
but it seems to have tapered off a little bit
and maybe teams that can run the ball more effectively
are having a little bit more success now if that
factors into the way you look at game planning, how
you're going to break it up. Also Sean Payton thirty thirty,
thirty and thirty in September forty seven and sixteen in October,
(11:37):
which tells me that he comes into the season with
a plan about a lot of stuff that he wants
to do. Then he starts to get to know his
team and pair that down and listen to what his
players are saying.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
JK.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Dobbins after the game said, we talked about this that
Sean's starting to understand us more and understand that like
feed me, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
And so I think Sean Payton can see it both ways.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Think he wants to win more so than anything and
whatever it takes to win, if it takes given JK.
Dobbins the ball thirty times, then he'll do that because
ultimately history is going to judge him by the wins
and the losses.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I will say, as we're having this discussion, taking a
step back for a minute, I'm so happy to be
here just thinking about what the running game was last
year and the debates we had and it even over
the last several years. And it's not to be down
on Jevonti Williams because when he was drafted, his rookie
year is very, very good. But this has been one
of the biggest sources of frustration I think for the
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fan base besides the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
And that is actually we're going to come.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Back to this conversation because right now we're head out
to the Kawa Kown Spirit Health Hotline and bring on
Patzer Tan. He's joining us right now. Pat, you know,
with Ryan Verards and Nate Jackson. How are you, man,
I'm doing good, iding doing great.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Are you on the bus on the way to the
airport right now?
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Okay, we'll keep this very very quick. Man.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
How excited are you guys about this game and the
opportunity to really go up against one of the best
teams in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
The game.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Again, I said, how excited are you about this matchup
with the Eagles and she has to go up against
one of the best teams in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Very excited. I think it's a good.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
Opportunity for us to really exceed on Mark, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 1 (13:17):
In the NFL.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
I'm going to growing up against a great team in Philly.
You know, obviously we know it's not gonna be easy,
but uh, you know, we're looking forward to the battle.
It should be pretty fun.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
So Pat, talk a little bit about the matchups you got.
Obviously you're going to be facing a J. Brown, but
he's not the only receiver you're going to face. They
got some weapons there. They also have a strong running attack.
How do you approach trying to stop this offense?
Speaker 5 (13:40):
Okay, Yeah, we just got to poach a snap by
snap eliminating what they're good at. You know, they didn't
do a great job of throwing the game down by
capitalizing on a run game, and off the run game,
they got a great battance attack in the pass game
that allows them to create explosive So I think it
starts up up front dominating the trenches and also in
(14:03):
the back end making sure we're doing our job and
trying to make on one dimensional.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
I know that you're playing in the secondary, but we
know what happens with some of these mobile quarterbacks like
Jalen Hurts, and if you're not really paying attention, he
can get behind you in a hurry if you're say,
playing in man. So is that when you're approaching a
guy like Jalen Hurts, you're approaching these kind of mobile quarterbacks.
How much does that factor into what you're doing in
the back end.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
Yeah, I think it affects it a lot, because we
realize going up against a mobile quarterback, there's a lot
of variables that happen.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
You know, he can scramble, create a second phase.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
So I think it's all about us in the back
end faster and on our guys and eliminating in that.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
So, so you guys are heading out Friday, sometimes you
head out Saturday. What's the difference there when you get
to there two days ahead of time? Do you prefer
that or do you like going one day ahead of
time and just going going to work the next day?
Speaker 5 (15:06):
I don't know, but I know when we leave Friday
is sort of because the week short, you know, it's
time I want to join my Friday.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yeah, not be on the team bus. But uh, I
think I think it's I think it's good.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
I think you could optimize on getting rest, uh you
know what I mean, and uh, you know, setting your
body uh you know to the Eastern time zone, you know,
I mean different from Mountain time zone. So I think
that's the whole purpose of it, for us to really,
uh be acclimated to the different time zones and stuff
like that. Uh so we could arrested for the game.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
All right, let's get to this quickly.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
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Speaker 1 (15:48):
This question is from Hope. Hi, my name is Hope.
I'm ten years old, and I have a question for you.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
If you had to choose what reality to show, would
you join.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Reality TV show that's doing because last year, I know
I got quite the bush hole, but uh, let me
think shoes great. I already watched much reality TV and
(16:29):
I probably got I don't know, probably like Jersey Shore
or something. There we go. Nice.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
I was gonna bail you out with like The Bachelor
or something.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Oh yeah, Bashel Love. I think I think I'm done
with them dating shows.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I'm tired of them, all right, Jersey Shore, get in
the club, Little Jim Tann laundry on a Friday.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Yeah, yeah, no doubt. All right, experience that.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
That's awesome. Hey, Pat, we appreciate you. I know you guys.
Run your way out and we'll chat with you next week.
Thank you. Passer Tan on the bus not.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
A great place for the interview because you got all
the dudes around you.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Yeah you know, you know, yeah, right, all a little
people behind the curtain, so you obviously played and then
me as an interviewer in the locker room, there's moments
where you're trying to interview somebody and there's somebody behind
them or behind me and just making vases and.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Some jerk messing it up, being unprofessional while you're trying
to do your job, to.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Do my job. That was usually me, man.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
I used to like to tease you guys a little bit,
ruffle your feathers a little bit.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
We need it.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Yeah, you guys do very serious in there, I know,
too serious. And we're all naked. Man, Well that part,
I mean, are partially naked. I mean, and you're standing
there next to the showers.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I've never liked that part. I've never, ever, ever, ever
liked that part. Why don't they just change it permanently?
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Well, I know the PA has been pushing for that
and having the interviews out the locker room.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Which I'm I'm fall for.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Like there's some media pushback on that, like we need
to be in there while you guys are changing.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
There is and I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
I'm telling you right now, and I'm not trying to
throw anybody, particularly under the bush. I do understand some
value of being in the locker room because there's a
vibe you can get from the team.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Some of the conversations you absolutely can't report on.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
But at least you can kind of see, you know,
where's everybody's head at after a loss, after a couple
of wins, Okay, you know, hey, this is how they're
responding to it, that type of thing. You know, there'd
be times were like, hey, the Broncos just went on
a string of losses and then all of a sudden
they're goofing around in the locker room and some one laughing, Yeah,
you're not supposed to be unacceptable. It was that like
you'd say that, but you just get a sense of
(18:44):
what it is. But you can still do all those
things and not have the interview. You can say, hey,
can you can we come out into the hallway. I
think that's completely appropriate. And for me, just for me,
I like it better that way because I get cleaner audio.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
That is like a more me thing as an audio guy.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Because as we're even listening there with with Pat, we
have to again peek behind the curtain, be listening for
the background. If somebody decides to drop some kind of language.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Just to right right right right, yeah, and they might
not have been trying to mess with you. They're just
having a conversation amongst themselves. They don't know Pat is
on an actual interview. They might just think he's talking
on the phone. You wouldn't be talking on the phone.
He'd be texting long form. But pat might just be
talking to someone. They're not listening to pad, they're talking
to each other, and then they throw out an F
(19:29):
bomb and you've got an SEC violation on your hands.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
So we had to be very careful about that.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
We don't want to we don't want to lose anything,
no anymore that we have. If you had to be
on a reality TV show, Nate Jackson, what would it be.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Well, I have been on a reality TV show, and
no one's gonna remember this reality TV show. It was
a dating show. And this was back in the early
two thousands. It was called Rendezvue. Okay, only lasted for
a couple of seasons. It was it was a dating show.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Okay. They paired me with a with a gal and
we went on a date and they had.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
Cameras in our faces and tried to get us drunk
and make us talk about things we would have never
talked about on a first date.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
There's producers there who you know.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
You take a break and then the producer will come
up and tell you, yeah, this is you're doing great,
and they split you up to have this conversation. You're
doing great, you guys are awesome. Why don't you ask
her if she's ever had a one night stand? Okay, right,
So that's why on these dating shows they have these conversations.
It's not normal to have these conversations with someone you
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just met unless there's a producer.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Getting you liquored up and feeding you the lines.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Will she ask you the same question similarly awkward ones, Yeah,
or at least was prepared for those that.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Line of questioning.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
I mean all the wholesome stuff, they get to know
you stuff, they're really nice stuff that we had, they
didn't make the show. The stuff that made the show
was the salacious stuff, of course. And then they have
editorial control to edit anything you say or make it
look a different way, or.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Edit something you said at the end of the day
dates at.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
The very beginning, like you just met and then you
told that really bad joke that was really told after
you've been together for nine hours.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
So yeah, that was your last foray into reality TV.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
And then the girl that I went on that show with,
I saw her on like two more dating shows. She
was a serial dating show. What participant? Did you feel
a little betrayed? I did, but we remained Facebook friends.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Really.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Now she's happily married, she's got a couple of kids.
So I'm happy for her.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Okay, good for her. She found love. Is she still
doing the circuit? I don't think some of the circuit?
No love is blind Denver? Yeah, yeah, no, not doing that.
It was blind Date was kind of the the first one,
you know, now, I don't know, do you remember that? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
And and a.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
Lot of them were modeled in a way off like
third wheel blind date like little things. They kind of
were in the same wheelhouse. Uh, but those were pop
there for a while, and I and I agreed to
do one.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
How did we don't have so many questions? Yeah, and
we don't have enough time, darn, but very oh gosh,
but very quickly. How did you get into that?
Speaker 4 (22:13):
I was walking into a bar in Hollywood, of course,
on my birthday. I was twenty two years old, and
some like scout person who goes around bars and Hollywood
approached me and.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Asked me if I'd be interested in this and gave.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
Me their card, and I gave him my number and
they said, no, this is like the blind Date show,
but it's the classier version.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Oh okay, you know, oh okay, So they called parents
right now.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Yeah, they called me and you know, asked me to
come in and I did, and I filled out a
but you had to dress like you were going out,
and filled out a bunch of you know, a big
long questionnaire and then did like a sample sort of
on camera interview to see if you were entertaining personality
enough to be able to hold, you know, a conversation.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
And then and then I went home and uh.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
And then like three four weeks later, they called me
and said we found your perfect girl, and like how's
and this was like a Monday is like how's Wednesday sound?
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I'm like okay.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
So I was living in LA at the time, training
for my senior year of college football. But I was
staying in a friend's apartment who went to USC and
that neighborhood in USC is not very nice. We had
like bars on the door and stuff like that. And
I remember like pacing back and forth in the apartment
like what am I doing?
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Why am I doing this? What am I doing?
Speaker 4 (23:28):
And then all of a sudden, knock at the door
and it was the producer who came to the door
first to just kind of be like, Okay, here's what
we're gonna do. She's in the car, she's gonna come
out here in a second. And her name was Mimi. Okay,
not the producer, but my day. And then a couple
of minutes later, me me came to the door and
like knocked on the bars like the and then started
our day and we went all around LA.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I can't believe it didn't work out. Yeah, I know
what would have thought?
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All right, so let's talk about from the defensive side
of things. For a second, how are you how are
you trying to shut down? I guess more specifically, what
are you focusing the most on? When it comes to
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the Eagles offense, it's got to.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Be Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
You know.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Of course Taquon Barkley scares you in a way just
because he's a really good back. But it's not like
you know, it's an he's he presents an unusual schematic challenge,
whereas Jalen Hurts does he's just kind of really savvy
taking off using his legs. I mean, he rushed for
I think sixteen on yards last week on nine carries,
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and he just has a really you know, unusual skill
to be able to pick up those yardage, get out
of bounds, get down, not get hit. Uh And and
so I think that's the challenge to make him uncomfortable,
to make him stand in the pocket, keep him in there.
But then you also don't want to just like let
him hang in the pocket because he's got some weapons.
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And so there's this weird fine line because you know,
a couple a couple of years back, I don't know
if you remember this, but Lamar Jackson came to town
and Vic Vangio's game plan was to do the mush rush.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Remember the mushry. I remember the mush rush.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
It runs with tush push, but uh, the mush rush
wasn't working that day.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
You know.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
The idea was because Lamar Jackson's a really effective runner,
you want to kind of clog up those lanes.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Don't really you.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Know, do a lot of twisting and and and scheming
up your attack of him, but really just everyone kind
of push your guy back and hold him in the pocket.
Well they did that, and he picked him. Apart from
the pocket. Some people kind of disregard Jalen Hurst's ability
to throw the football for some reason. But he's a
Super Bowl champion, Super Bowl MVP, right, was he the MVP?
Speaker 1 (26:08):
He was the MVP.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Yes, yeah, So you got to respect his legs and
you gotta respect his arm. And so I think the
defensive game plan and how they approach containing Jalen Hurts
and making him a one dimensional player and taking one
of those away, and.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
I think you want to try to take away his legs.
That'll be the challenge.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yeah, that feels like if there's going to be a focus,
And again, you're right, he can't pick you apart in
the passing year, but that hasn't been great for them
so far.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
But you also don't want to be the team that
wakes that up.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
You don't want to all of a sudden it's like, oh, boy,
Saquon Barkley got back on track, and oh and all
of a sudden, A J. Brown had a big game,
and so did Devonte Smith and it looks like they're
going to have their full compliment to everybody. I'd look
at the practice report moments ago and yeah, I mean,
Dallas Goddard, Everybody's gonna be out there for them.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
So yeah, it's it presents.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Multiple challenges that they're a really good team for a reason,
I'm inclined to agree with you. The only thing that
you do wonder about for the Broncos like where are
you most susceptible at? Because this is what good coaching is, right,
They're going to find the thing that they believe is
your weakness. There's a reason why they have multiple block
field goals or multiple block kicks or punts like they
(27:15):
had this last week is because they spend all week
studying and saying, oh, well, look.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
At that one guy.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
That one guy is the guy we're gonna target and
we're gonna we're gonna bull rush him. And happened last
year with the Kansas City game. Yeah, we got a
bull rush on one of your offensive linemen.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I think there was Forsyth.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
And then ended up getting a block field goal. So
I wonder if you're the Eagles offense, what will be
that point of attack. It feels to me like it's
our inside linebackers and especially in coverage. But that's gonna
be a problem all season now, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
It is?
Speaker 4 (27:49):
And I think, you know, particularly Alex Singleton coming off
in a cl he's getting better every week. I think
he's becoming more himself. So you know, I think I
don't think he's as bad as some people are are
acting like he is in coverage.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
And that said, I don't think Saquon.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Barkley is a particularly potent pass threat, not really, you
know what I mean. Like he's a really good running back,
but he's not some joker type of running back. And
so I don't think, you know, Alex Singleton's gonna have
too much trouble there now always a challenge, and I
don't think they'll put him, you know, Manna Man on
(28:23):
Saquon Barkley too much. But when they do, I think
he'll be up for the task. But it's like, you know,
the Broncos are leading the league in sacks. They have
to get after Jalen Hurts and not give him much time.
We will vance Joseph decide to blitz a lot to
do that, or will he drop back in coverage and
do some zone stuff. I mean, Vic Fangio is the
king of zone coverage, and and so the Broncos offense
(28:45):
is going to get a lot of that. What will
vance Joseph dial up? I think it's a combination. But
I think you're gonna You're gonna have to put pressure
on Jalen Hurts. If you allow him to sit back there,
nobody can cover anyone for very long. And and what
you mentioned there about awakening the beast, you know a
j Brown is not going to be unproductive forever. You know,
(29:07):
those guys are at some point going to get uncorked.
And and so there's a couple of different ways to
look at the offensive ineptitude and their ability to win. Anyway,
it's that oh, when they finally do start clicking, look
out because they found a way to win in spite
of these bad offensive performances or they're just not that
good this year. They've gotten some lucky endings and they're
(29:27):
really probably gonna fade once they start, you know, block,
when they stop blocking kicks and whatnot. Either the way
I'm looking at it, for these Broncos, you played Mike
Tyson spunch out.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Oh yeah, rubbed it. Last week the Broncos fought Glass Joe. Yeah,
all right, good analogie.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
Oh yeah, they're they're facing Iron Mike on Sunday. They
got to be patient in the first round. They try
for the knockout blow, they're gonna get knocked out. You
got to be patient, stick with your game plan, and
if you stick with it, you can wear them down
and you could beat Iron Mike. But it's a much
different competition and it's a much different set of guys.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
It's in hostile territory.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
You're going to Philly where where they're going to be
saying things to you and about your family that's going
to make you want to curl up in a ball
and cry.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
But you can't cry. It's no place to cry. They
boot Santa Claus there, exactly. They boot Santa Claus they
cheered the guys who get hurt, Yes, they do. No mercy,
there's no mercy. It's not so fie.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Where everyone's doing long form texting during the show. You
like that, huh long form blog form, blog form texting. Well,
it should be watching the game. But yeah, you're right,
people are on their phones. It's probably a little too much.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Yeah, and they show up in the second quarter and
leave in the third. Traffic. I would never do that
on the four h five, Yeah, I would. I would
never do that.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
But you're right, it's not it's not the warm and
cuddly crowd so far versus Yeah, Philly, and it's that
that's a completely different deal. I thought you brought up
a really good point there, specifically on are they who
they've been or like this is going to be who
they are for a little while longer, or are they
just kind of waiting for to be in locks? Right,
(31:05):
because we know, we know what this iteration of this
offense with this quarterback, these receivers and this running back
look like when they're at peak performance.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
It's different offensive coordinator.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Now, so maybe when we come back and want to
get into that just a little bit more, you know,
you just.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Left it all out on the field. Did you ever
cry after a game? I cried after one game.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Yeah, but it was because I was just exhausted and
my dad like was down on the field and he
came up and gave me a hug, and I just
was kind of just weeping.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
That'll do it in his in his arms. Yeah. We
lost by two points. Scored four touchdowns and I threw one.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
I had like fifteen catches for two sixty something. What yeah?
Wait what Yeah? And you lost by two points? Yeah,
so the game of your life. Yeah, and we lost.
It came out like five yards short when the last
play of the game.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
It was heartbreaking and I was physically just absolutely done.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
I'm thinking of crying right now. Seriously, I'm getting teared
up a little bit. That's that's a tense man. Yeah,
it was. It was. It was statistically the best game
I ever had. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Well, I can't imagine many people, whatever, whatever walk of
life or job you have in your life, imagining a
four touchdown perform five touchdown performance.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Yeah, an extra point.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
I was a kicker that year too, kicked a couple
extra points.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
It was.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
It was this like eight man football.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
It was.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
I mean I was play D three, but we played
the University of San Diego, which was a D one
double A school, and Jim Harbour would end up coaching
there the next year. There are two years after that,
but uh, the Terrero's I think their mascot was. But
now it was just like one of the you know,
the best games I had and we lost it and
I wept like a baby.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
I have no problem with that whatsoever. I want you
to know. I'm not even I think that's great. Yeah,
that's great, it's great. Yeah. Well, I mean you remember
last year or was.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
It two years ago with Caleb Williams when he was
crying in the stands with his parents and everything, and
people are like, oh, well, you know, quarterbacks and men
shouldn't cry. It's like, hey man, it's overwhelming, like you're
doing this and this, or the physical exertion of it
and losing like he.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Lost it can take its toll.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
Football is an emotional game and you put so much
into it and if you do leave it all out there,
you never know what can come out.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
I mean.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
The problem with that Caleb, you know, Killer Williams and
the quarterbacks and the way it is now the cameras
are on you.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
You can't escape it. You can't have a private moment.
That's right, and if you do, but I think it
was more to Caleb Williams.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
And then it's that one incident, you know, like if
he wasn't painting his fingernails paint and doing.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Other stuff like that too. A problem with that.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
I don't have a problem with it personally, but when
you're trying to get into this machio world to convince
people you're going to be this leader of men that
it can make people pause, and people on like First
Take have a problem with it.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
You know, there's a lot of yelling that happens on
that show. Yes, but they don't bring it down real low.
That's pretty good. That's like this spot not actually yeah,
And and you look for those things. They especially look
for those day.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
I think media in general looks for reasons to break
down people, right for example in that And I don't
want to get off too far on the tangent here,
but I just want to say that I personally, if
you can play the position at a high level and
you can help a team win, I don't think any
of that matters personally.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
But I understand that, you know.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Hey, in the locker room, and we haven't come that
far yet where there's acceptance of some of those emotional
sides of men.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
I don't know. I think I don't think that's true.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
I think as far as you know, maybe the media
and the and the conversation around it, but you know,
you will guys in the locker room crying in their locker.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
After again, it's not a problem, right, no, no, no, oh good,
absolutely not.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
I think guys, you know, because they care that much,
you know, and maybe they're frustrated or something. And you know,
a lot of guys like you never know what they're.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Carrying in to that moment.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
Maybe they have some stuff going on with their family, sure,
you know, maybe they just lost a family member, maybe
their mom or their dad is sick, maybe their kid.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Is going through something, you know, and you take it
out there and then you try to forget.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
It, and for those three hours you get to, but
then you walk off that field and it all comes
flooding back. Life just comes right back into you and
you remember everything you're going through. And so I think
that those displays of emotion for a player amongst his
teammates is not that unusual and not frowned upon either.
(35:48):
I think it's from without, you know the guys who
are the people who are not playing, who are judging
what's a guy supposed to do in this situation?
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Well, what you're supposed to do and what actually happens
or what you do are often different.
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