10-03-25 KOA Sports Hour 3 with Nate Jackson

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Excited to be here with you on a football Friday.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
N Jackson, Ryan Edwards five six six nine zeros or
Kawe Commas Spirit health text line Bronco's Country tonight, coming
up to the top of the R six o'clock, looking
forward to hearing what Ben and I imagine Nick as well, Right, Okay,
Ben and Nick will to say about this game coming
up here. I want to get some some Adam Trautman
sound here in just a little bit. I had a
chance to catch up with him for the pregame and

(00:22):
he had some really cool stuff to say about the
run game. So I thought you, especially here as a
former tight end, former receiver, would appreciate the mindset that
the Broncos are approaching with the run game. He did not,
by the way, say anything related to or otherwise JK.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Dobbins should be the only one touching the ball. We
didn't say that.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
I just want I just want you to not make
this characterizing my argument.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
I just want you to be disappointed when we play.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Adam traub been talking about the running game, and he
talks about it as a community effort rather than JK.
Dobbins is basically our alpha and Omega Okay, look.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Man, I'm anxious to hear. Sure, I'm sure you are.
Anxious is the perfect word to describe.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Yeah, we'll also hear from boys Lebroncos Dave Logan and
coach Peyton breaking down one of the plays from this
last week that's coming up a five thirty today.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Okay, I thought you.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
Were saying we're doing that now, we're cool cool Yeah yeah,
So yeah, those guys don't care who you put back there.
They're just blocking for everyone, and they're supporting anyone who
gets that ball.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
What do you mean they don't care? You're saying they
don't have an opinion on this. They might have an opinion,
but they're not going to state it to you. Okay,
that's probably good, you know what I mean. Yeah, that'd
be weird.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
I mean, it's hard to deny that JK. Dobbins has
been the more productive back. It is impossible tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
So are you of the mind that they should get
equal carries?

Speaker 1 (01:39):
No? I am not.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
Oh how should they split it up? Percentage wise?

Speaker 1 (01:43):
Sixty forty? Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:44):
And how do you do that in during the course
of a game. How do you manage that with the calculator?

Speaker 1 (01:50):
I'm just kidding.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
Oh, you're at sixty three percent. Get your butt off
the field, get it there, r J. You're only thirty nine.
I don't know if that ads up, but yeah, sixty
three thirty nine.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
It feels like, you know it's right. Math isn't my thing.
I usually let day you do all the math stuff.
But you're right. They may have a personal.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Opinion, but it's it's whoever whoever gives them the best
chance to win. I mean, in the end, though, they
have different skill sets, and I guess it's up to
the coaching staff.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
I mean, yeah, what are they Well? I think RJ.
Harvey's faster than JK. Dobbins. Is that a skill set? Though?
I mean what it means it's I mean, like marginally faster.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
It's speed a skill set. Well, I mean okay, so
I guess you're right. They do have a different skill set.
I see JK. Dobbins is more patient, experience back who's
able to pick his spots better and for that reason
should get more carries because patience.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
Is a virtue. I also also think he's a more
physical back.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
I think they both have the physicality to their game,
but JK is built different, a little bit different than RJ.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
Harvey.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yeah, I would say RJ. Harvey slight.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
He's just he's a smaller back, right, He's a little
bit more of a speedy back.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
He's thicker though, I mean he's sick.

Speaker 5 (03:00):
You know.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah, body, he's not like I'm trying to think of
a well they have who is the uh the running devon? Gosh,
they just brought in a five foot eight running back
who did the Broncos.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
Yeah, yeah, hold, he was with the Cowboys.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
I'm space and this is gonna kill me because because
I see him out there, I'm like, oh my god,
that guys five. Yeah, what happened to Julian McLoughlin. He's there.
He didn't suit up last game, though, did.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
He He did not?

Speaker 3 (03:27):
But they did, right because he's playing some special teams
out there.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yeah, let me see here. I don't try to remember
his name, all right, I'll find of here a second.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
But anyways, anyways, Yes, I think ultimately what you really
want from the running game specifically, and as it pertains
here to the Eagles, who are by my count, twenty
first in the league against the run one hundred and
twenty six rushing yards per game.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
The Broncos are fifth best in the league. One hundred
and forty three run and running the football.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
Is that amazing? Wow?

Speaker 1 (03:55):
By the way, when I said that to Adam Troutman.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
He did the same, like wow, really yeah, like it.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
And I'm saying, you know why he said wow?

Speaker 3 (04:03):
Why because they all wish they committed to it a
little bit more, and they're thinking, Wow, we're able to
do that and we're not even calling enough runs. Think
of what we can do when we really commit to it.
I think that's what that wow meant from him, and
it meant.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Wow, let's keep doing that. This is something have you
told Sean that? Did Sean know?

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Does know?

Speaker 1 (04:27):
I'm try if he didn't say that, like, hey, when
you can choose black it down, let him know.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
Yeah. JK Dobbins top five right yardish these number three,
number three, it's incredible.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
Well, I mean, I mean, I'm sure you've seen this,
but JK.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Dobbins through the first four weeks versus Saquon Barkley, it's
got nearly one hundred more rushing yards. Finally, like ninety
more rushing yards.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
And again, if I'd have told you that, you would
have thought I was on something. If would have said
that going into the season, Hey, by the way, JK
Dobbins is going to be out rushing Saquon Barkley by
like one hundred yards, you'd be like, Yeah, that's that's
kind of insane.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
Probably not in pop probably puting. I think, well, I
think more. I think more.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
You know, shocking is the lack of production from Saquon.
Sure that's fair than JK. I think going into this
matchup in Philadelphia against the Super Bowl champions of the NFL,
in hostile territory, this is where you lean on your veterans.
You don't want to put it in the hands of
a rookie out there. Your rookies are gonna come along

(05:26):
as the season goes on, and I think they have
a good plan for RJ. I just think this is
a game where you want to get JK. Dobbins in
a groove, and you want to get him twenty carries
and RJ can have ten to twelve and bo can
have twenty five to thirty dropbacks and and create that balance.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Deuce Vaughn is the running back I was thinking of.
Deuce Vaughn yea five 't eight.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
It's remarkable to see here's Adam Troutman talking about the
run game.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
Cool.

Speaker 6 (05:57):
Yeah, and I think that's kind of where you start
to your build your identity, and where we want our
identity be built around is definitely run game because it
makes everything else so much easier. And we are built
to do that at every single position. So yeah, it's
great to have that success and hopefully we will continue it.
And the best thing is to watch those games and

(06:19):
you watch the receivers sticking their heads in there walking
and it's important to them.

Speaker 4 (06:24):
And if you look at the really good some of
the really good.

Speaker 6 (06:27):
Run teams in the past, however, many years, the Rams
receivers always block really well, Niners receivers always block really well.
Detroit's receivers block really well. So that's like a huge
thing that people just don't notice because like, nobody outside
of us, you know, outside of our building, really cares
about receivers blocking. But we do, and it's a huge,

(06:47):
huge part of our game. That's why some of these
runs are getting sprung past seven eight yards and they're
becoming explosive is because of them.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
I love that answer for so many reasons, especially because
I didn't I didn't Tee him up in a way
of like, why is this successful? I just asked him,
is are you guys finding some things you can build on?
Are you this last game specifically, it ran the ball
so effectively, especially in the second half, and they've they've
been doing that over the course of the season, But
I just asked that, and then he went into why

(07:15):
it's so successful, which includes the wide receivers out there
doing their job too.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
Yeah, the difference between a five yard run and a
fifty yard run is often the receiver blocking or not blocking.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
I think there's a reason Jerry Judy's not here anymore,
and that's part of it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
He talked about sticking your head in there, giving the effort,
and the identity of a running team is built not
on Sundays, it's every day of practice.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
It's the way you go about practice. And I think
that they have had to shift a little bit.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
And I'm not saying running game wasn't important for him
last year, but you saw what happened in the playoffs
with the Buffalo Bills. It was a really good running
team versus a team that wasn't very good, and I
think they internalized that and have used that to get
alvanize this sort of pursuit of a new identity.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Would you, when you look at this Broncos.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
Team from the outsides, think that their identity is a
running team. Absolutely not no, And so it's interesting that
inside that's what they're preaching. Because he's right about it.
Everything else opens up when you do that. Well, there's
a reason why Evan Ingram ain't on the field, and
it's because of that answer. He doesn't stick his head
in there and he becomes a one trick pony, and

(08:26):
so the play action passes you want to do when
you put Evan Ingram out there, they're not gonna work.
He has to be an effective blocker before you believe,
before the play action opens up, or else you know
what he's gonna do.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
This is why guys like Pat Bryant's are getting some
run right out from the field.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
And for a guy like Pat Bryant, who's, you know,
the number four receiver, not a lot of balls come
your way. The way you make an impact on a
game is to go smash somebody in the running game.
You can do that every time you're out there. That's
what I would do when I was a number four receiver.
That was my way to make a mark, my way
to earn the respect to my teammates, and my way
to show my coaches. I'm going to do anything I
can to help this team. And you know, we had

(09:05):
Rod in here a couple of days ago, and he
was and he's the guy who taught us that Rod
and Ed and that Shanahan sort of vision. And he
talked about some of those teams Adam Troutman did that.
They all noticed the receiver's blocking. It becomes it becomes
a badge of honor. You can't be in this receiver
room if you're not going to do that, you just
can't be here. And the receiver coach is the one

(09:25):
who embodies it, and it stresses it every day and
it becomes something that has to happen.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
Let's say you catch eight passes in a game. That's
a lot. That's a really good game.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
I mean there's no four touchdowns, and you know, passing
for a five official and kicking catches, right, fifteen catches
and kicking extra point.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
And right, not everybody can do.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
That, Yeah, but you do those eight catches, right, that's
a great game.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
What are you doing the other sixty plays? You're out there.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
You know what are you doing? Those thirty run plays
that are called it or twenty five? That's your chance
to help your team. And it's it's about effort, it's
about attitude, and when you finally develop that, it's it's
a beautiful thing. And then it doesn't matter who gets
the credit. You know, you get a running back gets
one hundred yards like JK. Dobbins did and he's kind
of taking a little bit of a victory lap and

(10:14):
all the guys who block.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
For him can feel good about that.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
And I think that's a great way to engender a
sort of a brotherhood, a teamsmanship and us all moving
in the right direction.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yeah, thank you, Pat Bryan. That's right, no block, no rock.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
And there's nothing better, honestly than a receiver going and
really putting a hit on a dB or a linebacker
and making them feel it look at you like, oh,
and you can feel it when you hit somebody and
they're not expecting that from a receiver to really come
out and lay the wood.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
And I think this last game against Trey Hendrickson, I
want to say it was it was Corland Sutton backed him.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Yes, yeah, yes, you catch him a little off balance. Yeah,
for trying to lot lovely and sacks. Last you've seen
Courtland Sutton though. That guy's a beast man. He is
a beast and he could do that more. If I'm
Courtland's if I'm Courtland Sutton's coach, if I'm Carry Colbert,
who's his receiver coach, and I played with him. I
played with Kerry Colbert, he was a receiver here in

(11:08):
two thousand and eight. Yeah, great guy. But that's what
I'm talking to Courtland about, more so than the catches,
is the physicality. I want to see you dominate these guys.
You're bigger and stronger than all these guys, and all
the receivers in the receiver room are watching you. Court
If you go out there and set the tone on
the first play of the game, Let's say we call
a run to JK and you come down and clock
the safety, then everyone's going to get hyped up and

(11:31):
it's all going to roll downhill from there. I think
that it's a great philosophy and I'm glad Adam Troutman
you know, explained it.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
It was really good.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
And so the rest of the interview will be in
the pregame coming upon Sunday, here's Sean Payton, because we've
been talking about it all week, the matchup, the chess
match between the head coach, Sean Payton and defensive coordinator
Vic Fanjo and how excited we are for this.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
And here's what you got to say about it.

Speaker 7 (11:55):
Great respect. He's from the same neighborhood as where my
parents grew up. He went to the same high.

Speaker 4 (12:00):
School is where my father went.

Speaker 7 (12:02):
My cousin taught him sixth grade math. And my first
experience with Vic was when he was at Houston and
I was at the Giants. We were both coordinators and
over the years we've always stayed in touch. He does
a great job. No, I think both of us as
we prepare it with our staffs are looking at the
game plan and.

Speaker 4 (12:21):
Yeah, where the will there be wrinkles? There always is.

Speaker 7 (12:24):
You know. It's a defense that does a great job
of forcing you to be patient, and that's been pretty consistent,
you know, throughout his career.

Speaker 4 (12:33):
This isn't new for him. You know, he's been really
really good.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
So on his outset, we're talking about Mike Tyson's punch
out earlier for giving this on like a all right,
this guy versus this guy, Sean Payton versus Vic Fangio.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
The fight card, Who do you do the edge?

Speaker 3 (12:54):
It's a tough one, man. That's why they played the game.
That's why you know, that's why you get the players
out there to execute it. I know that bo Nicks
is going to have his hands full. Uh he's not
a rookie quarterback, but he's close. And Vic Fangio feasts
on rookie quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
He loves it.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
He loves confusing them, disguising coverages. Putting seven guys in
the line of scrimmage, you think they're all coming, Nope,
they're not. They're only rushing forth to the three guys
who drop out, dropping places you don't think they're going
to drop, and all of a sudden, you get skittish,
you throw a ball you shouldn't have it, and he
gets picked off. Bon Nix has to be on minding
his p's and q's. That's why I think a simple

(13:31):
game plan will favor these guys. But it's also up
to these guys, these receivers and tight ends to break
some tackles because they Vic Fangio doesn't play a ton
of man coverage.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
He does allow you these short passes.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
That's why Cooper Degen is making all these you know,
tackles and and and these dbs are so active.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Those are a great point you made, by the way earlier
when we had the interview on it is like you
don't usually see your cornerback leading the team in tackles.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
Yeah, and he's in a very active player.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
He's playing nickels, so he's in the middle lot's and
he's maybe doing some blitzing and things like that.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
But you got to break tackles. You have to.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
If the if the Broncos are gonna win this game,
they got to take a short pass and take at
the distance or at least break some tackles and eat
up some yards.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
They're not gonna win this game dinking and duncan three.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
Yards, four yards, five yards, six yards, because at some
point you're gonna make a mistake, you're gonna have an incompletion,
you're gonna have a pick, you're gonna have a fumble.
You need chunk plays and you need to commit yourself
mentally to having the best yack game you've ever had
in your life. And that way these guys can come
away with a victory. I think that's their key.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
I'm with you on that, and you saw the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers have some success with that this last week,
you know, and we know. I mean, you can look
at the numbers. I mean, the numbers don't surprise anybody.
If you're going like Vic Fangio's defense, the bend will break.
They give up their fifteenth well fifteen. The points per
game actually is a little bit on the low side.
You'll be surprised by that. One hundred and twenty six

(14:58):
rushing yards per game, two hundred seven pass seniors.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
It kind of middle of the pack, if not below
the bottom third.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Red zone percentage though thirty six percent their top three
in the league. Because what happens is is they'll let
you have as what you want between the twenties and
they're there. Vic has always been finding up that. But
then he's going to hold you to a field goal.
And then you know, in a lot of ways for
the Broncos, there might be times because of how good
this defense is, because of how good the Broncos defense is,

(15:24):
getting points matters.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
So on one hand, you say, well, that's not gonna
be good enough to beat the Eagles.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
That's fair that's fair.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
But there are times where it's like, hey, we get
some points and we ate some clock here. That's a
positive when you're taking on a good team like this. Yeah,
the three and ounces are going to be horrible. I'd
rather take the three points and say that's what's just
gonna that's what you're gonna get out of this, versus
a quick three and out like they've been having.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
Or even you know, a nine play drive it ends
in a punt and you pin him back there. That's
okay to flip the field too. I mean, this is
not going to be I don't think a super high
scoring game. I think it's it's two really good defenses
and two kind of you know, aside from the game
against the Bungles, a little bit of a couple sputtering off.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
He's sitting right there, Come on.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
Grant, is this is I think it's going to be
a defensive battle. I think it's going to be a
defensive battle. If you've got Will Lutts to start him
in your fantasy team, I see what you did there,
you know. But and for that reason, field position plays
an important role. Special teams huge if you can pin
and Jeremy Crosshaw, Get ready my big game?

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Get ready to.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
This is the biggest game of Jeremy Kraushaw's Lifegimont.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
Well and to that point, it actually we completely agree
on this because special teams has been one of the
reasons why the Eagles are undefeated right now. They they
have been elite at taking advantage of other team's miscues
when it comes to special teams. So we do a
lot to talk about the offense and the defense and
what bo Nicks needs to do when Sean Payton versus
Big Fangry and all these kinds of things. In the end,

(17:04):
this game may come down to whoever controls a field
position but also doesn't make a gaff on special teams yep.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
So, and it's so maddening.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Because it's it's something that you can't really break down
a lot of ahead of time, like I know they can't.
You are like inside the building, you're you're talking about
it a lot, and you know some of your own deficiencies,
but you don't really know all your deficiencies until you
play a team that's really good at this, and they
will find them for And so the focus tends to be,

(17:36):
especially with the fan base and otherwise, well, what does
the Broncos defense need to do to slow down the
run game? Okay, what does the offense need to do
to actually score touchdowns instead of field goals and so
on and so forth. But in the end, if it's
a blocked punt like this last week with Tampa Bay,
when that's what you're leading off the game with the
Tampa Bay gos to punt the ball it's blocked and
return for a touchdown, they're down seven to nothing before

(17:56):
they blink. Then they end up punting on the next drive.
Eagles go right down the field. Score it's fourteen to nothing,
and that's how they get you. And if this becomes
a two score game tilted in favor of the Eagles,
that's that's a major problem for the Broncos and whatever
they want to do this in this game. Yeah, and
that game was in Tampa, right, That game was in Tampa.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Yeah, you go, you get down two scores in the
first quarter to the Eagles in Philadelphia, it's going to
be a long day. You got to weather the storm
there and you gotta Yeah, you got to tighten it up.
So the procedural stuff, no no penalties, the snap count stuff,
the play clock stuff.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
And that's why I'm.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
In favor of keeping it simple and not doing a
lot of these personnel.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
Changes on the road. When it's loud and.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
All of a sudden, you got some new plays you
want to run different, and there a new group of
guys run. What I hate is just like first down,
you get eight yards and then five guys running off
and five new guys running on.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
But you're you're messing with the other team. I mean, no,
you're not. I know, I'm mess You're messing with me.

Speaker 4 (18:59):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
I mean you're messing with the other team to an extent.
But you're also allowing them to reset.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
That's a good point.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
And bring off the guys who just sucked. It's a
very good point, and put on some guys. Think we'll
be better. I'm like, wow, that didn't work out. Hey,
let's bring the little guys on. You know what I
want to see tempo? How about some early temple? Do
you hear Sean earlier this week talking about that.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
I did not.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Oh man, Well, I tell you what, when we come back,
we gotta play Sean and Dave talking about.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
One of the plays. But I'll play you that cut
it was great.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
It kind of made me laugh though, because Sean was asked, like,
what is bow like early in drives He's like, he
likes tempo, and then he goes on to admit, I
don't know if I'm always going to give it to
him though.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
I what I'd rather give him something he doesn't like
relatively to play calls.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
So we'll hear all that that coming up day.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
There's actually a technique in blocking and run blocking in
the wide zone system. There is a wide zone it's
called a push crack, and the receiver's job is to
push up at the corner and then crack the safety
if he comes down to Phil. You have to figure
out who the MDM is the most dangerous man in
that equation.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
That triangle is at the corner or the safety. You
push up first to the safety and then if you.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
And then if he backs up and the safety comes down,
you crack him, crack the safety.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
So great, by the way, nice tweet moments ago from
Gustro on Twitter says, you and Nate Jackson got some
great radio chemistry.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
I'm enjoying the show. Thank you very much for listen.
Appreciate it. Thanks Gus Shoe.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
All right, so we love this coach's corner. This is
really a fun saying. We're gonna hear from Sean in
a little bit talking about tempo early contrives.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
It's a great answer.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
But here was voice the Broncos, Dave Logan chatting with
head coach Sean Payton, and our coach's corner.

Speaker 4 (20:52):
Now RJ. Harvey.

Speaker 8 (20:53):
The outside of two left recests to the left of Knicks.

Speaker 5 (20:56):
He catches wide open swing pass, walks into the zone.
The easiest touchdown of the early season. Nicks to Harvey
touchdown Denver touchdown pass of twelve yards bo Nicks to RJ.

Speaker 8 (21:10):
Harvey. So talk a little bit about r J. Harvey's
first touchdown. You line him up out wide initially and
then brought him back.

Speaker 7 (21:16):
In the Yeah, it's it's a play where we kind
of bring him back in get a man's own read.
And if you when you watch it really closely, they're
unsettled a little bit because we're getting to.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
The line of scrimmage. There's some communication.

Speaker 7 (21:29):
He gets back into the backfield and the linebacker responsible
for him comes off the edge. They're still talking and
they dropped the coverage and so the tempo I think
helped us there. In other words, you know, we were quick.
RJ did a really good job. We didn't card that
look all week, you know. In other words, they just

(21:49):
dropped the coverage, and part of that was the shift
in the tempo.

Speaker 4 (21:52):
Let me ask you.

Speaker 8 (21:53):
Just calling the game, my eyes told me that RJ
kind of settled in a little bit. I mean, yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (21:59):
Think think one of the things, well, yeah, one hundred percent.

Speaker 7 (22:02):
And we tried to instead of constantly tagging on and
off with both those players, we tried to give them
series a couple series, and I think from a running
back perspective, they get into a flow. Now there's certain
plays specific for JK or RJ, and that's easy, but

(22:23):
different than earlier in the year. We tried to let them,
you know, JK took the first two series, then let's
get RJ going.

Speaker 4 (22:31):
And so they, you know, were.

Speaker 7 (22:34):
Able to get in a groove if you will, and
get some rhythm going. And I think you saw it
benefit both guys.

Speaker 8 (22:40):
Last thought, and I've made the comment during the last
game the broadcast that JK Dobbins is just a really
patient that we're in running back and I want to
know if you think maybe some of that rubs off
a little bit on.

Speaker 4 (22:52):
Our j Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 7 (22:54):
One of the things it's interesting sometimes when you sign
a free agent, you know the player you're in. Other words,
I watched the film I see Jake, and then this
happened to me with the Mario Davis, the linebacker in
New Orleans. You know, we signed him later in free
agency and we thought we had a good idea of
now he became a much better player, but then all

(23:16):
the other things we weren't expecting. The leadership and JK,
I think I've seen that, like if we were voting
on captains right now.

Speaker 4 (23:25):
He joined us late, but.

Speaker 7 (23:27):
He's got that leadership skill set that I think it
is really good for a young running back room. When
you look at the room and normally you get a
lot of sort of the juice guys on defense and
maybe not quite as many on offense. But he's he
is definitely one of those guys. And there's you know,
as a head coach, you love having those guys that

(23:47):
are fighters and that will you know, if we're running
a period and there's a run maybe doesn't go the
right he'll say run it again.

Speaker 4 (23:54):
You know and yeah you love it. Yep, Sean, thanks,
thank you either.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Go, that's our coach's corner. Do that every single Friday.
Very cool stuff. Breaking down the RJ. Harvey touchdown at
the end of the game, and honestly, before we get
to this last little bit from Sean Payton, I know
that it was sort of inconsequential to the outcome.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
Of the game.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
I mean, you're up twenty one to three at that point,
before that touchdown, you finished twenty eight to three.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
I think though that drive.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Not only getting your first one hundred yard rusher in
the last thirty seven games was important, but finishing the
drive the way they did. I do think that there's
something to the style points, and I think we've talked
about it earlier this week. There's something to the style
points of seeing it all come together. Even at that
point the Bengals defense was kind of done.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
Yeah, it's important this offense gets clicking and on the
same page.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
They don't have as much time in the offseason anymore.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
The CBA dictates a lot fewer practices. There's only one
practice during a day during training camp, and those you know,
there's restrictions on how many padded practices there are. There's
only three preseason games and what they play maybe twenty
total reps in three preseason games. So it's just the
opportunities to connect aren't there. And so when you have
a moment like that and you're beating up on such

(25:10):
an inferior opponent, sorry, you gotta take you got to
you gotta take advantage of that and find that chemistry
with one another. There's some players here who are getting
to know each other and trying to get their confidence,
and Bonix is one of those guys. I mean, even
though he had a great rookie season and things are
looking up for bo he's still trying to gain confidence
in this league to be able to face any scenario

(25:32):
and do so knowing that he's going to get the
job done.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
And a cool thing about r. J. Harvey's touchdown.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
You know he went into the end zone and dropped
the ball and was celebrating, and Bonnicks went and picked
that ball up and gave it to his teammate and said,
you're gonna want to keep this. Bonnicks is the type
of leader that these guys can rally around. He's thinking
about his teammates and those are the things that aren't
x's and o's.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
You know, it's not the game.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
Plan, but that's the stuff that brings guys together and
allows them to move forward into a game like this
with more confident.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
So, speaking of bon Nicks and I think that he
likes and he's trying to do. Here's Sean Payton talking
about what bon Nicks likes early in drives.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
He likes tempo, tempo to the line.

Speaker 7 (26:12):
Certainly last week, I think we had two or three
third down conversions with tempo. He's at the line with
twenty six seconds now instead of breaking the.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
Huddle with eight.

Speaker 7 (26:21):
You know, you adapt because that's something that a lot
of these college quarterbacks are, you know, in reducing the
burbidge and getting to where we can call plays with
just one you know, one name, one syllable. Those are
those are some of the things that that have changed.
You can't always go tempo because yeah, I may not
want tempo.

Speaker 4 (26:40):
I may my defense might be tired, you know. So
if I'm going tempo, I want to be able to
control that.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
You do, I want to do it. Yeah, a lot
of interesting stuff there.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
I don't think any any quarterback wants to break the
huddle with eight seconds no, So I don't think any
offense quarterback otherwise it only wants because you got pre
snap movement you need to do. You gotta get guys
lined up, and you want to look at the defense.
Everyone every quarter I mean the greats Peyton Manning would
get to the line as quickly as possible and look
at the defense and mess with them and do a

(27:13):
bunch of dummy calls and.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Make them show what they're gonna do.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
You can't do any of that if you're running to
the line with eight seconds left. Every quarterback wants to
survey the defense and not just be paying attention to
getting guys lined up, and then we got to snap
it really quick. A little bit of a power struggle there,
you know, And hopefully it is like, yeah, as Bo
gets older in this league and gets more feathers in
his cap, he can push back a little bit on that.

(27:35):
Why aren't you doing the thing that your quarterback likes?

Speaker 4 (27:39):
Now?

Speaker 1 (27:39):
You know better.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
I understand you know better, and this is a different
league than college. But you want to try to find
a way to make these guys comfortable because because there's
a lot going on, and I think finding a middle
ground is going to be really important, and I felt
like they did find a bit of a middle ground
against the Bengals. That middle ground is where is your
sweet spot? Your quarterback's comfort level is going to determine

(28:02):
how he plays. We've seen a confused bonix that was
happened in those first couple of weeks, getting to the
line of scrimmage with eight seconds left. It might have
been a great play call, but it ain't gonna work
if your quarterback doesn't see it develop.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
It just doesn't seem like something you need to have
a battle with, like an internal battle of like, hey,
I want to on temple.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
I don't know, man, Maybe maybe me I'll give it
to you. Maybe I won't, maybe I don't want it.
But interesting that they're reducing play calls to one syllable.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
You heard that too, yeah, Which I.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
Don't know how that works because there's a lot of
information that's that's.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Conveyed, you know, in a play call.

Speaker 3 (28:38):
There is the formation, the protection, the routes, the motions,
the shifts, all that stuff. I've never been in a
system that could handle it with one word, but you know,
and that seems like it might be more work for
Sean payton because he's not used to.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
That, so maybe this is his payback.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
Yeah, Broncos Country tonight. Benjamin ol Bright coming up here
at the top of the air Highbend. Not that guy again.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
You were so wrong last night, Kevin Bourne went off.
I didn't hear anything else. You got the one, you
know one thing. You were made fun of me for
that one though.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
Well, no, no, I didn't make fun of you the
Kendrick Born.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
Oh, I made fun of the way you delivered it.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
You want a good okay, you guys, growing is good
enough color this offense, the Bourne identity. See see it's
just such a croner. But then you went out and
tell me that the forty nine ers were gonna score
any points and the under was gonna and that was gone.
I got a text from you in the over the
over in all comper. You were worried about it.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
They missed extra point though you were so worried for
a minute there. Well, I just saw the writing on
the wall.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
I was like, okay, missed extra point here, and oh
my gosh, the math is now mathing and it's gonna
be like.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Can't be right two weeks in a row. We can't
the universal implode the at the goal line.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Oh God, almost puked the worst very quickly. Here Susie
Warrishon's sideline stories coming up on Sunday morning in this
locker room.

Speaker 4 (30:10):
Do you think could eat the most cheese steaks? If
you had to take a guess, I.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
Would say probably DJ DJ Jones or Quinn somebody like that.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
But I love Philly, so I definitely have to give
me one.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
There's Jealocloughlin there, or actually maybe that might be Jaquan McMillan,
says jmak on here, So are you have two?

Speaker 1 (30:31):
Jax? So are you? Are you big Philly cheeseteak guy?

Speaker 3 (30:35):
Yeah? I mean I wouldn't say I'm a big Philly
cheese steak guy. I'd say I'm a Philly cheese steak guy.
I mean, yeah, I'm enjoy them, but I'm not like
hunting them out. If I was in Philadelphia, I would
partake there. They are pretty good. Yeah, out there in Philadelphia.
Put the cheese with cheese with it has to be
cheese whiz yeah it no other way I can do, Like,
why are you shaking?

Speaker 1 (30:57):
Put the swift cheese and the cream cheese in there?
Forget the cheese with sweat cheese and cream cheese. Huh, yucky.
Try it out. I'm telling you, try it. Try it
out your house. It seems too creamy till you try it.
Now you're gonna be all like mayonnaise dripping out of
your mouth. Manna's a gross though. Did you say yucky?

Speaker 4 (31:15):
I did.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
I had a neighborho used to eat mayonnaise with a spoon,
the little Levis in his coffee. Oh yeah, that's right,
Levis