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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, Nick Cosmo joining us after four thirty.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
A couple other little notes really quick.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
We are going to have Broncos Cowboys tickets to give
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Speaker 3 (00:19):
Yeah, and you'll be able to listen to the fourth
quarter replay of not the first three quarters, as Chris
Thomason tried to joke about last night. He's like, you're
gonna really ject us to the first three quarters again,
We're doing a replay. Well, we go to the fourth quarter, Chris.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
We had the same thing happened yesterday when we had
Rick and Studio, because I brought it up right off
the top of the show and I said, hey, we'd
replay the fourth quarter and Rick's like, well, I mean
the whole thing or just the fourth quarter. It was like,
Dave Immediate was why would anybody want to re listen
to the first three quarters of that game? It's like, oh, yeah,
(00:52):
great point. Yeah, fourth quarter though, is not weird?
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Speaker 2 (01:26):
I hate that I'm laughing at that joke, but that's
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Speaker 1 (01:48):
All right, so this was kind of a funny moment.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Starting off the first press conference with Joe Lombardi, he
was asked about what the emphasis is for this week
for the Broncos.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
I'll just told the guys to start doing some of
that four quarter stuff a little earlier, you know. I mean, really,
when you look at it, you know, we started slow.
A lot of reasons for that. You know, we had
some drop passes. You know, it felt like they were
playing faster than us a little bit. You know, we
had a lot of screens that we felt were set
up well and watching the film, felt they were set
up well and just you know, didn't block the perimeter
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like we wanted to. And you know, there's a lot
of reasons why you're moving the ball or you're not
moving the ball, and you know, think that I think
that we're a team that's in really good shape. So
I think that we wear down teams sometimes and that helps.
But it just comes down to you know, execution and
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getting in a rhythm.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
And you know, there.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Are games where we've played well early and the last
couple we haven't. And uh, you know, something that we
look closely at, but I don't think there's a magic
you know, something to look at and say, hey, this
is if we do this, it gets fixed. I it's
just coming out ready to play early. And I'm not
sure that happened on Sunday, but luckily we figured it out.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I mean, he's right, There isn't one thing. You know,
you watch the game, and I think everybody's kind of
got a hand in this. It's execution, and I guess
you can get into a little bit of play calling.
There's been this sort of chicken or egg debate among
the fan base. I've noticed over the last week or
two where there are some fans that look at the
slow starts, if you will, and some of the sputtering
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of the offense, and they'll blame it on play calling. Okay,
and then you say some fans will go to the
other side say no, it's the quarterback. He's inaccurate. And
then some people say, well, no, it's it's the blocking,
it's the drops on the passes.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
And I mean, in the really is all of it?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
I can't point to the I guess the beginning of it,
like what is the Hey, if we go back to
the sourcing of it, and how can we fix the
source of all of it?
Speaker 1 (03:53):
There isn't one.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Because I do think there's some good designs in what
they're doing with the play calling, it's just not being executed.
Like this last week specifically, there were a lot of
his blocks. There were drop passes, Bonnix was inaccurate early on.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
In the game.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
All of those things contributed to multiple three and outs.
If even one of those things gets fixed, like say
the blocking is a little better on some of those screens,
or Bonis is a little more accurate on that slant
pass that he threw that was too high for pap Ran.
I mean there's or even some of the deep passes
to Troy Franklin where he didn't throw.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Them seven yards out of bounds.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
It's like one thing after another, and if you just
sort of correct it just one of those things, then
I think we'd see a different performance altogether.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yes, but okay, I think we have a big enough
sample size with each of these individual things, which you
can say going to the well on these screenplays that
don't get blocked up don't work. And with Sean trying
to claim there was three of twelve screenplays that were successes,
it was three of twelve. Okay, Like, sorry, Sean, you're wrong.
You can go and anybody can go back and verify this.
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You can just go back and watch the game. It's
not difficult. I did. It's not just just any one thing.
You're right, but we have big enough sample sizes with
these things like, okay, if both nervous early and making
high and out of bounds passes, maybe we should run
the ball early. If the screenplays are not being blocked
up properly, let's delete them from the playbook and find
something that does work that can be blocked up properly
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until we get this thing executed. I can get this
thing executed to that point, you know, maybe we shouldn't
throw twelve passes inside the five yard line and one
run for a game. Maybe with the running back that
got you there should get you in. Why are we
getting cute in situations? We don't have to get cute in.
There are a lot of situations here that yeah, okay,
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all right, there's some execution, there's some inaccuracy, those kinds
of things. Well, we have a big enough sample size.
Now that we've seen that those are happening in specific situations,
let's eliminate those situations.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
So you're saying, I guess in your opinion.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Because you are throwing sideline shots, deep sideline shots isn't working.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Let's take out the deep sideline shots because there's a
fingerprint to the offense. So what you're talking about is
some of the stuff that they believe is the core
of what they do.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
They may believe that, but the core of what is
working is something different. Outside. Run plays like the crack
toss are working, whether it's with the QB or whether
it's with the running back. Let's tree more of that.
And you know what's gonna happen is this defense as
a just to try to take away the things that
are working, it's going to open up the stuff that isn't.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
There's a funny kind of moment with Gara Bulls on
a Tuesday or a chance to really talk about it
very much, but he was talking about how they tend
to do a little better when they're playing backyard football
and there's a free no, I guess, if you will,
a looseness to the way they operate.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
I don't think that Sean wants that, and he definitely
doesn't and that's been the hallmark of this team since
he's been here.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
It's not just a bow issue run. It was the
same thing with us.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah, they did operate better in the fourth quarter when
they were there. I mean there's more urgency and that's
something that I feel like you can find a way
to inject earlier in the game and treat it. You
don't have to treat it like you're down, but treat
it like it matters, right, like not like this is
a zero zero game and our defense is playing great like.
That's what felt frustrating on rewatch the second time against
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the Giants, and of course you watched it against the
Jets it felt the same way. It became more of this, like, hey,
our defense is playing really good. Let's see what we
can do. We'll get out there, we'll you know, we'll
put a couple of things together. Oh well, we went
three and out. That's all right. Our defense is gonna
stop and we'll be right back out there on the field.
That mindset's got to change, because you're gonna get into
games like this, into games like the Chiefs coming up
here soon. Teams are going to find a way to
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move the ball against your your defense. And I guess
what the Giants did, and maybe you underestimated them a
little bit on offense.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
I don't know defense.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I don't get the sins from Bess Joseph that he
ever underestimates anybody. Like everybody has a chance to be
good against us. We just have to execute, but I
feel like for the offensive side of the ball. And
I'm kind of tying that a little bit to what
Joe Lombardi said last week when he was asked about, Hey,
the Jets were struggling, and I mean, he was asked
about what they can build on for the next week
talking about the Jets and how the Broncos defense is
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playing so well against them, and I was like, man,
the offensive mindset has to change. Yeah, if your mindset
is our defense is going to bail us out, and
that's exact that's the problem.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
They got conservative in that Jets game because they're like, well,
our defense has got it handle, we can just turtle
and it almost cost them. You know, you can't excuse
bad process just because you've got good results. You look
at the last three games the Broncos had played. They
needed fourth quarter bailouts to win those games, Yes they did.
You know, they needed to come back to win those games.
And you shouldn't have to come back against the Jets.
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You should, I mean, the Eagles, okay, whatever, but you
shouldn't have to come back against the Jets. And gives probably.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Not either, but the fact that they can.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
There's got to be a confidence in the fact that
you're able to do that.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Yes, but that's not sustainable. It's not sustainable, and like
multiple things, is not sustainable. Well it was for a year.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
The reason it's looked back on like that is because
it was a miracle, because it's not sustainable.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
I listen, you know, I'm such a big fan. I
know height For the life of me, I can't figure out.
But but yes, I like that. They know they can.
But you're right in the sense that what you'd like
to be able to do is be a little more
consistent all four quarters to.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
A tongue of my load.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Oh my god, Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
You know it's one of every press or is worse
than the last. Well he got just to get to
this yesterday.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
But so of course he was it the hot water
for like two weeks with his comments about his teammates,
throw his teammates under the bus for not putting in
the work and being on time to meetings and that
type of thing. But then yesterday, I think it was
yesterday where he was talked about why he wasn't targeting
Jalen Waddle, their star number one wide receiver.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
Here's what he said, Yeah, I think with that some
of it has to do with being able.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
To see guys with their guys also up front and.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
Our guys, and I'm not the tallest guy in the
back there, so being able to see and then you know,
sometimes when.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
That happens, you don't want to just throw it blindly.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
I can't even like, can you imagine.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
If Kyler said this? Just replied, like, if you can you.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Imagine Kyler say, because he's a little bit I think
he's a little bit toleran Kyler.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
But not much.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
He's six ft to a six foot even, okay, which
would make him three inches taller these three three inches
toleran Kyler. I just I don't even as an excuse
of why you're not throwing the football to the best
player on your team, I would say besides debout a chain,
I guess I couldn't see him because, hey, our offensive
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live offenders job their defensive life.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Those are big guys.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
I don't know if you guys know this, but they're
big guys that I just don't want to just throw
the ball with anticipation or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
You imagine like Russell Wilson's saying that Tyler Lockett back
in the day. Lockett, by the way, same height as
Jayalen Waddle and Russell Wilson's too inch is shorter than.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
It was stunning. I saw that.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I'm like, you know, on one hand, I'd love to
tell him, let's just not let's just not do these things.
Let's just say the right thing, you know, don't don't
just stop talking.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Never I've never sat there. Be like, just just to
coach speak, just say cliche, just follow Russell Wilson cliches,
just say those.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yeah, this dude is digging a hole.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
He's down there, he's in he's been digging a hole,
and he's throwing the dirt back in on top.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Of himself like a one win team man. And You're like,
I can't, I can't. I just can't see Jaylen Wattell
out there.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
I can't see him out there. He's john seen it.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Quickly though. Justin Fields, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Well, this isn't even on Justin Fields though. This is
on their staff for not prepping him.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
We played these comments a couple of days ago with
Woody Johnson slammed Justin Fields to the media out at
the owners meetings, saying we can't even complete four ass
and so the Justin Fields.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Was doing his normal media scrum, hadn't.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Even heard the comments, didn't even know it existed.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
So here's the back and forth justin What was the.
Speaker 7 (12:12):
Reaction to Regel's comments yesterday.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
I didn't see any comment. No, I'm not yeah, yeah, no,
I'm not on you know, social media.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
Nobody hearing up with the Jets.
Speaker 8 (12:21):
But what he says, uh no, not really kind to
be critical when you He basically said, you know, if
you guys can complete past things with a good year,
kind of said, you know, the quarterback player the course,
I can't win with the quarterback for the rain like
they have.
Speaker 9 (12:39):
You want to wear it any now?
Speaker 6 (12:41):
Nah, I wasn't. Like I said, I'm not on social media.
It doesn't bother me, It doesn't you know. Of course
everybody knows. You know, I need to be I need
to play better. We need to play better as a team.
And of course, you know, no matter how you know
the offense does as a unit, you know I'm gonna
get the blame. And I understand that that's just what
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comes with the job. But honestly, that's what comes with it.
So you can't let anything kind of affect your mind,
my mind, and that's that's it is what it is,
no matter if it's you know him, no matter if
it's you know, family members, even teammates. Sometimes you're gonna
be there's gonna be times where you have to be
the only one who believes in yourself. So you know,
like I said, that's his opinion. And like I told
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you guys after the game on Sunday, I'm at peace
and on focus is right now, is working each of
every day and getting better.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Credit to him taking a high road.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
But you can't say that either.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Yeah, that's true. He literally just like I'll do tool.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
I can't see him down there. You gotta cut me. Oh,
you gotta cut me, Nick, you know then you got
justin fields out. You're like, yeah, my own family members
and teammates don't believe in me.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Under the circle now, but under the circumstances.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
And first of all, I thought that the reporter did
a pretty decent job summing it up without adding text,
so like adding their own, like hey man, no.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Asked the question. He did it in a respectful way
by summarizing the quotes, putting.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
The reporter in a kind of weird situation like okay, well,
I got I summarize the owner of an NFL team's
words about an employee to the employee.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Yeah, like a guy that's making thirty million dollars?
Speaker 3 (14:18):
How bad it is the Jets organization that nobody came
and told Justin Fields what was said that that really
is like we need to coach you up on an
answer for this real quick.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Yeah, because that would never happen here like here in Denver.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Well, Patrick Smyth would be Yeah, can you imagine bow
Nick's being asked about something that the owner.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Said especially negative?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
But but again, you know greatner out there, no before
the court.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Before Rob Walton was finished giving his entire statement that
you know, Patrick would be in bosy or like yeah,
I can't think this organization is too good for that.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
But then there's the Jets that are like, we're not
even gonna we're gonna put a quarterback out there, We're
not even gonna tell him what the owner just said
that it's trending on Twitter.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Yeah, thats my mind.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
How did Justin not get texted by anybody that he
said this? Like the strings could duality that he didn't know.
But at the same time, then you turn around and
you just told the entire You just told the entire
world that your teammates and family don't believe in you
as a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
You know that's tough too, Like bro, but he seems
like a nice guy.
Speaker 9 (15:14):
Why are you?
Speaker 3 (15:14):
That's the thing, Like I even tweeted about that. I'm
like justin Justin Fields. You listen to him speak and
you can't help it root for the guy, and then
you turn on the tape and to go, yeah, yeah,
you need to change positions.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
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Speaker 1 (15:30):
Nick, you're all with Ryan Edwards and Benjamin Olbright. How
are you, my friend?
Speaker 5 (15:34):
I'm good?
Speaker 7 (15:34):
How are you? Guys?
Speaker 5 (15:35):
Doing great?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Very excited about not only tonight with the Nuggets and
I definitely want to ask you a couple of questions
about that, but also of course, uh, the game on Sunday.
I don't know, man, there's gonna be a lot made
of the offense and needing to sort of carry their
weight in this one. Where do you come down on
what we've seen from the offense seven games in.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Yeah, I mean, I think.
Speaker 9 (15:56):
It all comes out to the balance.
Speaker 7 (15:57):
Of about where they're where they're kind of rank statistic,
which is which is pretty average, right, whether you look
at scoring, you know, epa per play, you know, yards
per game, it's it's all kind of in that that
league average kind of level. And you know that that
has been good enough to be five and two when
you have a defense that is as good as this
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one is, when you have a quarterback who has shown
the ability in the moments that truly matter in close
games of late to get the job done.
Speaker 9 (16:27):
But it's it's also not good enough to think that this.
Speaker 7 (16:31):
Is a team that can ultimately be a championship type
contender as it's currently playing.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
And so I think that's that's.
Speaker 7 (16:38):
Where some of the frustration, both externally internally comes in,
is that you know they have some of the right
stuff that can make you look at it and say,
especially in what appears to be a pretty open league
this year, uh to you know, to compete, But that
won't happen unless they unless they get it going. And
that's just kind of the urgency that that you felt
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being around there this week.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
It's all well and good when you're up against teams
like the Jets or the Giants or the Bengals post
Joe Burrow, and you're able to do that kind of stuff.
But you've got a tough slate of games cut up.
The Cowboys can put points on points on points, even
if they can't stop anybody. The Texans look like they
may be starting to figure a little something out on.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Offense and have a very good defense.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Kansas City looks like they're finally starting to hit their stride.
You get the Washington Commanders of Sunday Night Football, the
Packers coming up another game against the Chargers, the only
two Guinea games in here. It looks like the Broncos
have left of the Raiders this thing, like if they
don't get the offense approved, could these thing go sideways fast?
Speaker 5 (17:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (17:38):
I mean, and that's the thing of it, especially when
you look at it then and you I mean, and
I know you know.
Speaker 9 (17:43):
This, but they you could look at that game pretty much.
Speaker 7 (17:47):
Any game it wasn't the Bengals game could have gone
the other direction. And Garrett Bowles said in the locker
room after the game on Sunday, like, you know, we
know we could be seven and zero right now. And
that's true, but they could just as easily you know,
be you know, be B one and six. I wouldn't
really quite put the Titans game in that category. I
don't think there was ever any you know, real concern
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with that one, even though they certainly did not play well.
But but really, let's so let's say two and five,
like you could easily you know, point to that and
say if some of these had hadn't gone right late
of late, then you would be looking at that kind
of record right now. So absolutely, I think it's tenuous
and that and that's the whole thing. Like they're saying,
you're not going to avoid close games in the NFL.
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They're they're part, they're part of the league's fabric like that.
That's just the way it goes. But you can also
put yourself in better positions to where you're not, you know,
again coming down to the last minute and not only
coming down the last minute, but having to to to
rally and do all these kind of like out of
the box things in order to even get in that position.
That that's that's what they have to avoid. Because yeah,
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I completely agree that it's not it's not sustainable to
win this way if you cannot find more consistency with
what you're doing offensively.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
But I imagine as you've been in the locker room
this week, you haven't gotten the sense from the guys
that they're they're satisfied with us either.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Oh oh no.
Speaker 7 (19:10):
Like I again, I think that's the confounding thing. Like
you talk to a guy like like Mike McGlinchey and
he says like this, you know, that's that's part of
the frustrating thing is because we know we have we
have what it takes. Because when you go back and
they start, you know, they look at it. You know,
if you were just a team that never showed you know, there's.
Speaker 9 (19:28):
A lot of bad offenses in the NFL that.
Speaker 7 (19:30):
Aren't showing these kind of fireworks at in stretches that
the Broncos have like there, I think they're top ten
and explosive play rate. So it's it's not that they
don't have the capability. It's not that they haven't shown
it in stretches. It's it's the it's the inability to
get on a role. Evan Ingram said, if you look,
if you look at it, when we when we get
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a first down, we're really good. And the problem is
they they go three and out as much as almost
anybody in the league. And so there's that fine line
of like getting going. It's seems like once they can
get going on a drive, more often than not they
finish it. They've just had too many where they didn't
get that initial first down or maybe you know, the
second one.
Speaker 9 (20:11):
It's almost like once they get to.
Speaker 7 (20:12):
The fifty, they can see the goal line, they're in
good position, but they've just been tripping themselves up too
much to find that rhythm that would make them a
good offense right now.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Yeah, And it feels like that there are or it
feels to me like, I mean, I'm just a dork
with a microphone. Do I really know? But it feels
to me like there are easy fixes to this kind
of stuff. You know, if there are things that aren't working,
and we have large enough sample sizes to see that
they're not working, and we have things that are working
that we're not doing, why not just you know, I
get the oversimplification, but just switch to the things that
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are working. Why aren't we running the football more early?
Why aren't we running the football inside the five yard line?
Why aren't we deleting these And I know Sean doesn't
want to talk about it, but deleting these screenplays that
aren't working or are working at a twenty to thirty
percent clip, Why aren't we just doing higher percentage things
to maximize the talent we have?
Speaker 7 (20:58):
Well, And Joe Lombardy said when he got up to
the podium today on coordinator day there he was kind
of asked about the you know, the gap between the
struggles you know, in earlier parts of game versus the
fourth quarter, and he says, well, we told him this
week we're just gonna do the the fourth quarter stuff
early in the game. And it's it's that whole like
there's always a kernel of truth to to you know,
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to a good joke, right, and that the truth part
of that is that while you can't play the same
way in terms of just like you know, up tempo
or whatever else, like a.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
Lot of that comeback.
Speaker 7 (21:31):
The Giants were playing them straight because they had to,
and what you were finding success with was like just
just attacking your good one on one matchups. And I
think they they work so hard to kind of scheme
things the way that they want to that you know, like, hey,
Courland Sutton can beat can win most of his one
on one matchups.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
Marvin Mims has shown.
Speaker 7 (21:51):
More and more that that he can win one on
one matchups in different ways, including like going up and
getting a ball for you. And they just seem to
play more free when that really becomes the focus. And
bo is really just kind of looking at that top read.
I understand you're not getting they're not getting a ton
of one on one looks all the time.
Speaker 9 (22:10):
But again, I just think.
Speaker 7 (22:12):
That they need to simplify things earlier in the game versus,
you know, waiting to get down and then just kind
of going out and making place.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Nick Cosmoner from the Athletic joining us here. Let's go
to the other side of the ball here for a moment.
And I do want to talk about your article in
a second about being the most penalized team. That's an
obviously important factor all this, but just a question on
the defense, this Dallas Cowboys offense. I mean, as you know,
they're they're one of top two, top three across the league.
So I guess your perspective, how would you defend them
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on the back end.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
Yeah, it's tough.
Speaker 7 (22:47):
I thought that Joseph had an interesting point today where
he's saying, like, if you look at it, the Cowboys
when they're in their like eleven personnel, they're averaging like
six point two yards per carry. And that's because you know,
teams are having to play them, you know, kind of
play them high because of all the weapons that Dak
Prescott has and so in the Running Game, Javonte Williams
is getting a lot of you know, to in vance
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Joseph's words, a lot of clean boxes.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
So that that is the challenge.
Speaker 7 (23:13):
Like once you've incorporated that balance, once you've proven that
you can attack down the field with the weapons that
they have in Ceedee Lam, George Pickens and Jake Ferguson,
now like now the Running Game becomes much a much
easier part of that question, and it starts to build
on itself. So you know, I heard Tella no Hufanga
is talking in the locker room about like what they
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have to do really well. Advanced Josephs mentioned this too,
is like some of the cat and mouse disguise stuff
that that this defense has typically done a pretty good
job of of like not really giving you a clean
sense of what it is that they are what it
is that they're bringing, you know, having the late rotations,
really doing it as best they can to kind of
mix up those looks for Dak Prescott so that they're
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you know, maybe not showing heavy boxes, but being able
to come down and bring that, you know, right after
the snap.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
I think those are kind of.
Speaker 7 (24:02):
Kind of be some of the interesting subplots of this
game on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
All right, So one more Broncos question before we ask
you about the Nuggets. Really good breakdown here on the penalties.
His horse is depressing to look at it to leading
the NFL in yours penalized by a wide margin as
you put at five hundred and seventy five with Jacksonville v.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
In next of five twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
It's it's stunning when you think about this coaching staff
and the attention to detail that you know it resides
inside that building.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
What do you make of it?
Speaker 9 (24:33):
Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 7 (24:35):
I think confounding is a good word, vexing, perplexing, you know,
whatever kind of words you want to use for it.
Because as Peyton noted too, I think the thing that
he is clearly kind of like missed by is that
it's coming from everywhere. It's not just like they're having
this one set of problems and like, you know, I
mean in twenty twenty two they were obviously heavily penalized
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under Nathaniel Hackett, and that thing as the season and
went bad, like you start getting more personal foulsands so
that starts kind of compounding itself. But early on it
was just these like influx of you know, crazy delay
of game pre pre snap stuff here. It's just like
so widespread that you know that it's a little bit
harder to put your put your finger on it, you know.
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But I was talking to Evan Inger about it. I say, hey,
I know, this is a hard thing to ask about,
right because yeah, of course they don't want to be
committing penalties. But his thing was like, we just we
have to understand that, like we cannot live this way.
Like it's it's pretty rare that you can have two
different games in which you're penalized twelve times for one
hundred and twenty plus yards and.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
Win both of those games.
Speaker 7 (25:39):
That was Philadelphia and that was the New York Giants.
And you know, the Lady luck is not going to
continue to shine on you if you can't figure it out.
So I don't have a good answer as to as
to how they do it. Like, obviously there's technique that
they look at. There's you know, points of emphasis that
they have in.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Their team meetings.
Speaker 7 (25:56):
All those things are kind of part of the the
gumbo of figuring this thing out. At bottom line is
they just have to do it because at this rate, you.
Speaker 9 (26:04):
Know, it's eventually going to bite you.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
You know, Nick, Yeah, I've been They've been on discipline,
second worst in the NFL in turns of being pedalized.
But somebody who looks fairly disciplined as Jabal Murray the Nuggets,
looks like he's in the best shape I've seen him
and since probably drafted to the Nuggets. Nuggets tip it
off the night against Golden State Warriors. What are you
looking forward to in this one?
Speaker 7 (26:23):
Yeah, I mean I think just right there, I mean, no,
Number one, it would be him. I think that that
was something back, you know, back when I was covering
the team on a regular basis that like you you've
been hearing about it's like just kind of this this
this hope, this this push to have Jamal Murray you know,
kind of show up in the kind of shape that
he seems to be in right now going into this season,
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and you know, part of that again has been injuries
that spanned a couple off seasons and some different things
like that. Clearly last year there was you know that
there was the internal tension in the organization, there was
the delay of his contract.
Speaker 5 (26:56):
There was just a lot.
Speaker 7 (26:57):
Of like funky stuff that kind of clouded the start
of his season. But just the kind of clear headedness
from Afar that it seems that he has going into
this year, I think is big and I want to
see how that translates. And then the other thing is
like how much can they get Nicole Yokich off of
his feet this year? I think that's going to be critical.
You know again that we know this guy is just
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a machine in terms of his endurance and all those
kinds of things. But you know, he's another year older.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
I think you want to have him more.
Speaker 9 (27:25):
Fresh going into the playoffs this year.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
Than you did last year.
Speaker 7 (27:28):
So like, you know, how how much can they get
on his Valcunis on the floor because they can kind
of play.
Speaker 9 (27:34):
A little bit more of the same way when.
Speaker 7 (27:36):
When Jokic sits, you know, maybe that allows you to
kind of give him some some longer runs. You know,
if if this roster is overall better, maybe maybe you
have more leads late in games than you did last year.
And then again like that, the other part of that
test is can Adaman take a bigger picture view than sometimes.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
Mike Michael Malone did.
Speaker 7 (27:54):
That was such sort of the criticism of just like,
you know, playing guys heavy minutes early in the year
because you're chasing every win, when hey, we know we're
good enough to be where we need to be in
the playoffs. Let's not lose sight of the you know,
the forest through the trees.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
Kind of thing.
Speaker 7 (28:08):
So that those are those are a few of the
things I'm really looking looking forward to seeing from them.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah, no doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
And then one thing, and this last thing for me,
I appreciate you joining us, Nick. The chemistry thing, right,
this team up until this year was kind of the same. Course,
it's not kind of the same guys, and they knew
even if they had to play a lot of minutes,
they knew what they were going to be doing. And
Cam Johnson now in place of Michael Porter Junior, Like,
how does that change some of the rotations and where
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you think he's going to be, and I understand that
a lot of people are excited about how he's going
to be better, maybe a better defensive player, But there
were some nice things that Michael Porter Junior obviously did
for this team.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
You know, Bruce Brown's gonna fit right like a glove.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
I mean, I'm not worried worried about that, but you
mentioned Valancunas, you know, what's that going to look like?
So for me, like the chemistry of things early on
is going to be something to watch.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
What do you think?
Speaker 7 (28:55):
Yeah, I one hundred percent agreed. I think as good
as I think a lot of people think this team is,
and it certainly looks like, you know, the best rosters
since at least their championship season in twenty three, and
I don't think people even thought that roster was that
good going into that year. You know, as good as
it is, I think it would be naive to not
think there is going to be some you know, maybe
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some early season hiccups because of that what you said,
Like they've played with largely the same cast for quite
a while and they made some pretty big shakeups this offseason.
But I think you need it. I think you need
sort of that refresher. I mean even just look at
the you know, the Patriots in our sport that we cover,
right like, they had already won championships and then all
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of a sudden you get a guy like with the
talent of Randy Moss and I know they did not
add somebody of that talent profile. I'm just saying, like,
somebody with that kind of energy that they brought in
and all of a sudden a team that you said
you knew was a championship type team but then just
elevated to a different level because you had this sort
of spark. I'm interested to see what the collective of
these new guys brings that kind of element to the Nuggets.
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But yeah, I think that getting that chemistry right, figuring
out rotations and all those kinds of things are are
going to be important.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
No doubt.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Nick always appreciated man, great reporting as always. We will
talk to you soon. All right, Well, thanks a Lott
the cosmoner from the Athletic. Really good stuff there. Yeah,
the article is sobering. He's a write up that I
read earlier today on penalties. It's it just does paints
a picture for the Broncos where they they've got to
figure it out.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
I just don't know.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
I mean, there comes a point then where you are
what you are, right, I mean we joke around about
the Bill Parcell saying you are, which your record says
you are. But then if you're again most penalized team
in the league by a wide margin, as he put
it out here, five hundred and seventy five. Next closest
is Jacksonville at five twenty eight. And again we've just
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watched Jacksonville out there in London, looked extremely sloppy. They
have the most defensive penalties accepted, fourth most offensive penalties accepted,
and only five teams have been penalized fewer times on
special teams than Denver six.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
So all three phases are feeling this.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Yeah, it's not any one area. I mean special things
is really falling off since last year. That's that's been
an issue, you know, But there are you know, I
certainly these people that are out there talking about conspiracies
against the Broncos. That's silly, like that's just nonsense. But uh,
you know, end of the day, I mean, you get
penalized a lot, and I don't think that there's too
many of them that are unwarranted, Riley Moss when you know,
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I would I would put out there as a leading
candidate on that. But a lot of these penalties are
and there's there's some that're getting away with, you know,
on top of it. So they've got to figure out
a way to be more disciplined. You got to be
you know, if you're going to do stuff, you got
to you got to coach it up right. There's no
such thing as legal holding. You got to be able
to do it. The pre snap penalties are a killer.
What are we doing on things you can definitely control?
And so yeah, I think there's some I think there's
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definitely some some penalties you'll take. You'll take being a
little aggressive early in a game to set a tone,
you know, that kind of stuff. You'll take Benito every
once in a while, jumping off side because you know,
you know how good he is and being able to
tie that up. But you can't. I mean, we just
we do take too many penalties. And it's been the
difference in games, literally the difference in games in some
and so you know, that's one of those things they
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really you've got to find a way if if we're
not getting through with what we've coached so far. We've
got to find a different way to get the message
through that this is unacceptable because you're either coaching it
to happen or you're allowing it to happen. At the
end of the day, I mean, I.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Guess if you want to go a little bit more
of a glass half full, is is they're they're doing
all this and they're still five and two.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
They're doing all of this.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
I hate that though, because that that justifies bad process
in a way.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
I understand.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
I'm saying from us looking on the outside, right, we
got away with it. Internally, you have to coach better, right,
you have to say that this is unacceptable and we
have to be better. Nobody wants to have to be
the most penalized team in the league. You don't even
want to be. You don't even penalized ever, But you
also don't want to be on that in that category.
I'm just saying, like, the margins are better for this
team than they used to be.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
The fact that you are able to survive.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Look, I mean twelve was it twelve penalties for one
hundred and twenty seven this last Sunday. Yeah, twelve for
one hundred and twenty one versus the Eagles, and you
won both of those games. Historically for the Broncos, they
wouldn't even be in the same zip code of a
possibility for that would sink Q.
Speaker 6 (33:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
So what I'm saying so like fair, their margins are
a little wighter. But at the end of the I'm.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Saying that's internally you don't coach it like that, right,
I'm saying, we on the outside get to say, hey,
this is something where you say, well, at least the
margins are a little better for this team. If they
can correct some of these things, maybe they win these
things a little close. You know, that's close than they are. Yeah,
I yeah, I think the margins are a little wider.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
But also you're playing opponents that I mean, the Bengals,
the Eagles, Okay, whatever, but I mean the Bengals, the Jets,
the Giants. These are not good football teams overall, and
you know that will eventually catch up with you when
you do play good football teams.
Well, Nick Cosmo joining us after four thirty.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
A couple other little notes really quick.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
We are going to have Broncos Cowboys tickets to give
away tomorrow on the program and as well as in BCT.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Yeah, and you'll be able to listen to the fourth
quarter replay of not the first three quarters, as Chris
Thomason tried to joke about last night. He's like, you're
gonna really ject us to the first three quarters again,
We're doing a replay. Well, we go to the fourth quarter, Chris.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
We had the same thing happened yesterday when we had
Rick and Studio, because I brought it up right off
the top of the show and I said, hey, we'd
replay the fourth quarter and Rick's like, well, I mean
the whole thing or just the fourth quarter. It was like,
Dave Immediate was why would anybody want to re listen
to the first three quarters of that game? It's like, oh, yeah,
(00:52):
great point. Yeah, fourth quarter though, is not weird?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
When the Department of Defense filed for the claim on
the audio to use for progations down there at getme.
Oh my god, wow, you are you're you're.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
What's in that drink? You're you're caffeine? Is that what
it is?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Caffeine?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Okay, get you going. I'm being told that.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Adam Brody is gonna pay me and play me in
the uh interview with a Joy Vampire movie. So no,
I was hoping for Adrian Brody, but instead I got
the guy from the O C Seth.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I hate that I'm laughing at that joke, but that's
actually pretty good. It's pretty good on your part. We're
gonna hear from the coordinators here in a second. But again,
Broncos Cowboys tickets to give away on KWIE Sports tomorrow
as well as on Broncos Country tonight again two at
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quarter of the Broncos and Giants game.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
All right, so this was kind of a funny moment.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Starting off the first press conference with Joe Lombardi, he
was asked about what the emphasis is for this week
for the Broncos.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
I'll just told the guys to start doing some of
that four quarter stuff a little earlier, you know. I mean, really,
when you look at it, you know, we started slow.
A lot of reasons for that. You know, we had
some drop passes. You know, it felt like they were
playing faster than us a little bit. You know, we
had a lot of screens that we felt were set
up well and watching the film, felt they were set
up well and just you know, didn't block the perimeter
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like we wanted to. And you know, there's a lot
of reasons why you're moving the ball or you're not
moving the ball, and you know, think that I think
that we're a team that's in really good shape. So
I think that we wear down teams sometimes and that helps.
But it just comes down to you know, execution and
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getting in a rhythm.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
And you know, there.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Are games where we've played well early and the last
couple we haven't. And uh, you know, something that we
look closely at, but I don't think there's a magic
you know, something to look at and say, hey, this
is if we do this, it gets fixed. I it's
just coming out ready to play early. And I'm not
sure that happened on Sunday, but luckily we figured it out.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I mean, he's right, There isn't one thing. You know,
you watch the game, and I think everybody's kind of
got a hand in this. It's execution, and I guess
you can get into a little bit of play calling.
There's been this sort of chicken or egg debate among
the fan base. I've noticed over the last week or
two where there are some fans that look at the
slow starts, if you will, and some of the sputtering
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of the offense, and they'll blame it on play calling. Okay,
and then you say some fans will go to the
other side say no, it's the quarterback. He's inaccurate. And
then some people say, well, no, it's it's the blocking,
it's the drops on the passes.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
And I mean, in the really is all of it?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
I can't point to the I guess the beginning of it,
like what is the Hey, if we go back to
the sourcing of it, and how can we fix the
source of all of it?
Speaker 1 (03:53):
There isn't one.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Because I do think there's some good designs in what
they're doing with the play calling, it's just not being executed.
Like this last week specifically, there were a lot of
his blocks. There were drop passes, Bonnix was inaccurate early on.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
In the game.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
All of those things contributed to multiple three and outs.
If even one of those things gets fixed, like say
the blocking is a little better on some of those screens,
or Bonis is a little more accurate on that slant
pass that he threw that was too high for pap Ran.
I mean there's or even some of the deep passes
to Troy Franklin where he didn't throw.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Them seven yards out of bounds.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
It's like one thing after another, and if you just
sort of correct it just one of those things, then
I think we'd see a different performance altogether.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yes, but okay, I think we have a big enough
sample size with each of these individual things, which you
can say going to the well on these screenplays that
don't get blocked up don't work. And with Sean trying
to claim there was three of twelve screenplays that were successes,
it was three of twelve. Okay, Like, sorry, Sean, you're wrong.
You can go and anybody can go back and verify this.
(04:55):
You can just go back and watch the game. It's
not difficult. I did. It's not just just any one thing.
You're right, but we have big enough sample sizes with
these things like, okay, if both nervous early and making
high and out of bounds passes, maybe we should run
the ball early. If the screenplays are not being blocked
up properly, let's delete them from the playbook and find
something that does work that can be blocked up properly
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until we get this thing executed. I can get this
thing executed to that point, you know, maybe we shouldn't
throw twelve passes inside the five yard line and one
run for a game. Maybe with the running back that
got you there should get you in. Why are we
getting cute in situations? We don't have to get cute in.
There are a lot of situations here that yeah, okay,
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all right, there's some execution, there's some inaccuracy, those kinds
of things. Well, we have a big enough sample size.
Now that we've seen that those are happening in specific situations,
let's eliminate those situations.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
So you're saying, I guess in your opinion.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Because you are throwing sideline shots, deep sideline shots isn't working.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Let's take out the deep sideline shots because there's a
fingerprint to the offense. So what you're talking about is
some of the stuff that they believe is the core
of what they do.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
They may believe that, but the core of what is
working is something different. Outside. Run plays like the crack
toss are working, whether it's with the QB or whether
it's with the running back. Let's tree more of that.
And you know what's gonna happen is this defense as
a just to try to take away the things that
are working, it's going to open up the stuff that isn't.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
There's a funny kind of moment with Gara Bulls on
a Tuesday or a chance to really talk about it
very much, but he was talking about how they tend
to do a little better when they're playing backyard football
and there's a free no, I guess, if you will,
a looseness to the way they operate.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
I don't think that Sean wants that, and he definitely
doesn't and that's been the hallmark of this team since
he's been here.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
It's not just a bow issue run. It was the
same thing with us.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah, they did operate better in the fourth quarter when
they were there. I mean there's more urgency and that's
something that I feel like you can find a way
to inject earlier in the game and treat it. You
don't have to treat it like you're down, but treat
it like it matters, right, like not like this is
a zero zero game and our defense is playing great like.
That's what felt frustrating on rewatch the second time against
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the Giants, and of course you watched it against the
Jets it felt the same way. It became more of this, like, hey,
our defense is playing really good. Let's see what we
can do. We'll get out there, we'll you know, we'll
put a couple of things together. Oh well, we went
three and out. That's all right. Our defense is gonna
stop and we'll be right back out there on the field.
That mindset's got to change, because you're gonna get into
games like this, into games like the Chiefs coming up
here soon. Teams are going to find a way to
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move the ball against your your defense. And I guess
what the Giants did, and maybe you underestimated them a
little bit on offense.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
I don't know defense.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I don't get the sins from Bess Joseph that he
ever underestimates anybody. Like everybody has a chance to be
good against us. We just have to execute, but I
feel like for the offensive side of the ball. And
I'm kind of tying that a little bit to what
Joe Lombardi said last week when he was asked about, Hey,
the Jets were struggling, and I mean, he was asked
about what they can build on for the next week
talking about the Jets and how the Broncos defense is
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playing so well against them, and I was like, man,
the offensive mindset has to change. Yeah, if your mindset
is our defense is going to bail us out, and
that's exact that's the problem.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
They got conservative in that Jets game because they're like, well,
our defense has got it handle, we can just turtle
and it almost cost them. You know, you can't excuse
bad process just because you've got good results. You look
at the last three games the Broncos had played. They
needed fourth quarter bailouts to win those games, Yes they did.
You know, they needed to come back to win those games.
And you shouldn't have to come back against the Jets.
(08:32):
You should, I mean, the Eagles, okay, whatever, but you
shouldn't have to come back against the Jets. And gives probably.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Not either, but the fact that they can.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
There's got to be a confidence in the fact that
you're able to do that.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Yes, but that's not sustainable. It's not sustainable, and like
multiple things, is not sustainable. Well it was for a year.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
The reason it's looked back on like that is because
it was a miracle, because it's not sustainable.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
I listen, you know, I'm such a big fan. I
know height For the life of me, I can't figure out.
But but yes, I like that. They know they can.
But you're right in the sense that what you'd like
to be able to do is be a little more
consistent all four quarters to.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
A tongue of my load.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Oh my god, Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
You know it's one of every press or is worse
than the last. Well he got just to get to
this yesterday.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
But so of course he was it the hot water
for like two weeks with his comments about his teammates,
throw his teammates under the bus for not putting in
the work and being on time to meetings and that
type of thing. But then yesterday, I think it was
yesterday where he was talked about why he wasn't targeting
Jalen Waddle, their star number one wide receiver.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
Here's what he said, Yeah, I think with that some
of it has to do with being able.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
To see guys with their guys also up front and.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
Our guys, and I'm not the tallest guy in the
back there, so being able to see and then you know,
sometimes when.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
That happens, you don't want to just throw it blindly.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
I can't even like, can you imagine.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
If Kyler said this? Just replied, like, if you can you.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Imagine Kyler say, because he's a little bit I think
he's a little bit toleran Kyler.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
But not much.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
He's six ft to a six foot even, okay, which
would make him three inches taller these three three inches
toleran Kyler. I just I don't even as an excuse
of why you're not throwing the football to the best
player on your team, I would say besides debout a chain,
I guess I couldn't see him because, hey, our offensive
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live offenders job their defensive life.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Those are big guys.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
I don't know if you guys know this, but they're
big guys that I just don't want to just throw
the ball with anticipation or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
You imagine like Russell Wilson's saying that Tyler Lockett back
in the day. Lockett, by the way, same height as
Jayalen Waddle and Russell Wilson's too inch is shorter than.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
It was stunning. I saw that.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I'm like, you know, on one hand, I'd love to
tell him, let's just not let's just not do these things.
Let's just say the right thing, you know, don't don't
just stop talking.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Never I've never sat there. Be like, just just to
coach speak, just say cliche, just follow Russell Wilson cliches,
just say those.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yeah, this dude is digging a hole.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
He's down there, he's in he's been digging a hole,
and he's throwing the dirt back in on top.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Of himself like a one win team man. And You're like,
I can't, I can't. I just can't see Jaylen Wattell
out there.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
I can't see him out there. He's john seen it.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Quickly though. Justin Fields, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Well, this isn't even on Justin Fields though. This is
on their staff for not prepping him.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
We played these comments a couple of days ago with
Woody Johnson slammed Justin Fields to the media out at
the owners meetings, saying we can't even complete four ass
and so the Justin Fields.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Was doing his normal media scrum, hadn't.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Even heard the comments, didn't even know it existed.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
So here's the back and forth justin What was the.
Speaker 7 (12:12):
Reaction to Regel's comments yesterday.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
I didn't see any comment. No, I'm not yeah, yeah, no,
I'm not on you know, social media.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
Nobody hearing up with the Jets.
Speaker 8 (12:21):
But what he says, uh no, not really kind to
be critical when you He basically said, you know, if
you guys can complete past things with a good year,
kind of said, you know, the quarterback player the course,
I can't win with the quarterback for the rain like
they have.
Speaker 9 (12:39):
You want to wear it any now?
Speaker 6 (12:41):
Nah, I wasn't. Like I said, I'm not on social media.
It doesn't bother me, It doesn't you know. Of course
everybody knows. You know, I need to be I need
to play better. We need to play better as a team.
And of course, you know, no matter how you know
the offense does as a unit, you know I'm gonna
get the blame. And I understand that that's just what
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comes with the job. But honestly, that's what comes with it.
So you can't let anything kind of affect your mind,
my mind, and that's that's it is what it is,
no matter if it's you know him, no matter if
it's you know, family members, even teammates. Sometimes you're gonna
be there's gonna be times where you have to be
the only one who believes in yourself. So you know,
like I said, that's his opinion. And like I told
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you guys after the game on Sunday, I'm at peace
and on focus is right now, is working each of
every day and getting better.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Credit to him taking a high road.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
But you can't say that either.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Yeah, that's true. He literally just like I'll do tool.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
I can't see him down there. You gotta cut me. Oh,
you gotta cut me, Nick, you know then you got
justin fields out. You're like, yeah, my own family members
and teammates don't believe in me.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Under the circle now, but under the circumstances.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
And first of all, I thought that the reporter did
a pretty decent job summing it up without adding text,
so like adding their own, like hey man, no.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Asked the question. He did it in a respectful way
by summarizing the quotes, putting.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
The reporter in a kind of weird situation like okay, well,
I got I summarize the owner of an NFL team's
words about an employee to the employee.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Yeah, like a guy that's making thirty million dollars?
Speaker 3 (14:18):
How bad it is the Jets organization that nobody came
and told Justin Fields what was said that that really
is like we need to coach you up on an
answer for this real quick.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Yeah, because that would never happen here like here in Denver.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Well, Patrick Smyth would be Yeah, can you imagine bow
Nick's being asked about something that the owner.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Said especially negative?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
But but again, you know greatner out there, no before
the court.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Before Rob Walton was finished giving his entire statement that
you know, Patrick would be in bosy or like yeah,
I can't think this organization is too good for that.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
But then there's the Jets that are like, we're not
even gonna we're gonna put a quarterback out there, We're
not even gonna tell him what the owner just said
that it's trending on Twitter.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Yeah, thats my mind.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
How did Justin not get texted by anybody that he
said this? Like the strings could duality that he didn't know.
But at the same time, then you turn around and
you just told the entire You just told the entire
world that your teammates and family don't believe in you
as a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
You know that's tough too, Like bro, but he seems
like a nice guy.
Speaker 9 (15:14):
Why are you?
Speaker 3 (15:14):
That's the thing, Like I even tweeted about that. I'm
like justin Justin Fields. You listen to him speak and
you can't help it root for the guy, and then
you turn on the tape and to go, yeah, yeah,
you need to change positions.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
We're heading out to the KWAE Comma Spirit Health outline
and bringing a good friend of good friend of the
program from the Athletic Nick Cosmider.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Nick, you're all with Ryan Edwards and Benjamin Olbright. How
are you, my friend?
Speaker 5 (15:34):
I'm good?
Speaker 7 (15:34):
How are you? Guys?
Speaker 5 (15:35):
Doing great?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Very excited about not only tonight with the Nuggets and
I definitely want to ask you a couple of questions
about that, but also of course, uh, the game on Sunday.
I don't know, man, there's gonna be a lot made
of the offense and needing to sort of carry their
weight in this one. Where do you come down on
what we've seen from the offense seven games in.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Yeah, I mean, I think.
Speaker 9 (15:56):
It all comes out to the balance.
Speaker 7 (15:57):
Of about where they're where they're kind of rank statistic,
which is which is pretty average, right, whether you look
at scoring, you know, epa per play, you know, yards
per game, it's it's all kind of in that that
league average kind of level. And you know that that
has been good enough to be five and two when
you have a defense that is as good as this
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one is, when you have a quarterback who has shown
the ability in the moments that truly matter in close
games of late to get the job done.
Speaker 9 (16:27):
But it's it's also not good enough to think that this.
Speaker 7 (16:31):
Is a team that can ultimately be a championship type
contender as it's currently playing.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
And so I think that's that's.
Speaker 7 (16:38):
Where some of the frustration, both externally internally comes in,
is that you know they have some of the right
stuff that can make you look at it and say,
especially in what appears to be a pretty open league
this year, uh to you know, to compete, But that
won't happen unless they unless they get it going. And
that's just kind of the urgency that that you felt
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being around there this week.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
It's all well and good when you're up against teams
like the Jets or the Giants or the Bengals post
Joe Burrow, and you're able to do that kind of stuff.
But you've got a tough slate of games cut up.
The Cowboys can put points on points on points, even
if they can't stop anybody. The Texans look like they
may be starting to figure a little something out on.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Offense and have a very good defense.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Kansas City looks like they're finally starting to hit their stride.
You get the Washington Commanders of Sunday Night Football, the
Packers coming up another game against the Chargers, the only
two Guinea games in here. It looks like the Broncos
have left of the Raiders this thing, like if they
don't get the offense approved, could these thing go sideways fast?
Speaker 5 (17:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (17:38):
I mean, and that's the thing of it, especially when
you look at it then and you I mean, and
I know you know.
Speaker 9 (17:43):
This, but they you could look at that game pretty much.
Speaker 7 (17:47):
Any game it wasn't the Bengals game could have gone
the other direction. And Garrett Bowles said in the locker
room after the game on Sunday, like, you know, we
know we could be seven and zero right now. And
that's true, but they could just as easily you know,
be you know, be B one and six. I wouldn't
really quite put the Titans game in that category. I
don't think there was ever any you know, real concern
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with that one, even though they certainly did not play well.
But but really, let's so let's say two and five,
like you could easily you know, point to that and
say if some of these had hadn't gone right late
of late, then you would be looking at that kind
of record right now. So absolutely, I think it's tenuous
and that and that's the whole thing. Like they're saying,
you're not going to avoid close games in the NFL.
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They're they're part, they're part of the league's fabric like that.
That's just the way it goes. But you can also
put yourself in better positions to where you're not, you know,
again coming down to the last minute and not only
coming down the last minute, but having to to to
rally and do all these kind of like out of
the box things in order to even get in that position.
That that's that's what they have to avoid. Because yeah,
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I completely agree that it's not it's not sustainable to
win this way if you cannot find more consistency with
what you're doing offensively.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
But I imagine as you've been in the locker room
this week, you haven't gotten the sense from the guys
that they're they're satisfied with us either.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Oh oh no.
Speaker 7 (19:10):
Like I again, I think that's the confounding thing. Like
you talk to a guy like like Mike McGlinchey and
he says like this, you know, that's that's part of
the frustrating thing is because we know we have we
have what it takes. Because when you go back and
they start, you know, they look at it. You know,
if you were just a team that never showed you know, there's.
Speaker 9 (19:28):
A lot of bad offenses in the NFL that.
Speaker 7 (19:30):
Aren't showing these kind of fireworks at in stretches that
the Broncos have like there, I think they're top ten
and explosive play rate. So it's it's not that they
don't have the capability. It's not that they haven't shown
it in stretches. It's it's the it's the inability to
get on a role. Evan Ingram said, if you look,
if you look at it, when we when we get
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a first down, we're really good. And the problem is
they they go three and out as much as almost
anybody in the league. And so there's that fine line
of like getting going. It's seems like once they can
get going on a drive, more often than not they
finish it. They've just had too many where they didn't
get that initial first down or maybe you know, the
second one.
Speaker 9 (20:11):
It's almost like once they get to.
Speaker 7 (20:12):
The fifty, they can see the goal line, they're in
good position, but they've just been tripping themselves up too
much to find that rhythm that would make them a
good offense right now.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Yeah, And it feels like that there are or it
feels to me like, I mean, I'm just a dork
with a microphone. Do I really know? But it feels
to me like there are easy fixes to this kind
of stuff. You know, if there are things that aren't working,
and we have large enough sample sizes to see that
they're not working, and we have things that are working
that we're not doing, why not just you know, I
get the oversimplification, but just switch to the things that
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are working. Why aren't we running the football more early?
Why aren't we running the football inside the five yard line?
Why aren't we deleting these And I know Sean doesn't
want to talk about it, but deleting these screenplays that
aren't working or are working at a twenty to thirty
percent clip, Why aren't we just doing higher percentage things
to maximize the talent we have?
Speaker 7 (20:58):
Well, And Joe Lombardy said when he got up to
the podium today on coordinator day there he was kind
of asked about the you know, the gap between the
struggles you know, in earlier parts of game versus the
fourth quarter, and he says, well, we told him this
week we're just gonna do the the fourth quarter stuff
early in the game. And it's it's that whole like
there's always a kernel of truth to to you know,
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to a good joke, right, and that the truth part
of that is that while you can't play the same
way in terms of just like you know, up tempo
or whatever else, like a.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
Lot of that comeback.
Speaker 7 (21:31):
The Giants were playing them straight because they had to,
and what you were finding success with was like just
just attacking your good one on one matchups. And I
think they they work so hard to kind of scheme
things the way that they want to that you know, like, hey,
Courland Sutton can beat can win most of his one
on one matchups.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
Marvin Mims has shown.
Speaker 7 (21:51):
More and more that that he can win one on
one matchups in different ways, including like going up and
getting a ball for you. And they just seem to
play more free when that really becomes the focus. And
bo is really just kind of looking at that top read.
I understand you're not getting they're not getting a ton
of one on one looks all the time.
Speaker 9 (22:10):
But again, I just think.
Speaker 7 (22:12):
That they need to simplify things earlier in the game versus,
you know, waiting to get down and then just kind
of going out and making place.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Nick Cosmoner from the Athletic joining us here. Let's go
to the other side of the ball here for a moment.
And I do want to talk about your article in
a second about being the most penalized team. That's an
obviously important factor all this, but just a question on
the defense, this Dallas Cowboys offense. I mean, as you know,
they're they're one of top two, top three across the league.
So I guess your perspective, how would you defend them
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on the back end.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
Yeah, it's tough.
Speaker 7 (22:47):
I thought that Joseph had an interesting point today where
he's saying, like, if you look at it, the Cowboys
when they're in their like eleven personnel, they're averaging like
six point two yards per carry. And that's because you know,
teams are having to play them, you know, kind of
play them high because of all the weapons that Dak
Prescott has and so in the Running Game, Javonte Williams
is getting a lot of you know, to in vance
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Joseph's words, a lot of clean boxes.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
So that that is the challenge.
Speaker 7 (23:13):
Like once you've incorporated that balance, once you've proven that
you can attack down the field with the weapons that
they have in Ceedee Lam, George Pickens and Jake Ferguson,
now like now the Running Game becomes much a much
easier part of that question, and it starts to build
on itself. So you know, I heard Tella no Hufanga
is talking in the locker room about like what they
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have to do really well. Advanced Josephs mentioned this too,
is like some of the cat and mouse disguise stuff
that that this defense has typically done a pretty good
job of of like not really giving you a clean
sense of what it is that they are what it
is that they're bringing, you know, having the late rotations,
really doing it as best they can to kind of
mix up those looks for Dak Prescott so that they're
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you know, maybe not showing heavy boxes, but being able
to come down and bring that, you know, right after
the snap.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
I think those are kind of.
Speaker 7 (24:02):
Kind of be some of the interesting subplots of this
game on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
All right, So one more Broncos question before we ask
you about the Nuggets. Really good breakdown here on the penalties.
His horse is depressing to look at it to leading
the NFL in yours penalized by a wide margin as
you put at five hundred and seventy five with Jacksonville v.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
In next of five twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
It's it's stunning when you think about this coaching staff
and the attention to detail that you know it resides
inside that building.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
What do you make of it?
Speaker 9 (24:33):
Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 7 (24:35):
I think confounding is a good word, vexing, perplexing, you know,
whatever kind of words you want to use for it.
Because as Peyton noted too, I think the thing that
he is clearly kind of like missed by is that
it's coming from everywhere. It's not just like they're having
this one set of problems and like, you know, I
mean in twenty twenty two they were obviously heavily penalized
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under Nathaniel Hackett, and that thing as the season and
went bad, like you start getting more personal foulsands so
that starts kind of compounding itself. But early on it
was just these like influx of you know, crazy delay
of game pre pre snap stuff here. It's just like
so widespread that you know that it's a little bit
harder to put your put your finger on it, you know.
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But I was talking to Evan Inger about it. I say, hey,
I know, this is a hard thing to ask about,
right because yeah, of course they don't want to be
committing penalties. But his thing was like, we just we
have to understand that, like we cannot live this way.
Like it's it's pretty rare that you can have two
different games in which you're penalized twelve times for one
hundred and twenty plus yards and.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
Win both of those games.
Speaker 7 (25:39):
That was Philadelphia and that was the New York Giants.
And you know, the Lady luck is not going to
continue to shine on you if you can't figure it out.
So I don't have a good answer as to as
to how they do it. Like, obviously there's technique that
they look at. There's you know, points of emphasis that
they have in.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Their team meetings.
Speaker 7 (25:56):
All those things are kind of part of the the
gumbo of figuring this thing out. At bottom line is
they just have to do it because at this rate, you.
Speaker 9 (26:04):
Know, it's eventually going to bite you.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
You know, Nick, Yeah, I've been They've been on discipline,
second worst in the NFL in turns of being pedalized.
But somebody who looks fairly disciplined as Jabal Murray the Nuggets,
looks like he's in the best shape I've seen him
and since probably drafted to the Nuggets. Nuggets tip it
off the night against Golden State Warriors. What are you
looking forward to in this one?
Speaker 7 (26:23):
Yeah, I mean I think just right there, I mean, no,
Number one, it would be him. I think that that
was something back, you know, back when I was covering
the team on a regular basis that like you you've
been hearing about it's like just kind of this this
this hope, this this push to have Jamal Murray you know,
kind of show up in the kind of shape that
he seems to be in right now going into this season,
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and you know, part of that again has been injuries
that spanned a couple off seasons and some different things
like that. Clearly last year there was you know that
there was the internal tension in the organization, there was
the delay of his contract.
Speaker 5 (26:56):
There was just a lot.
Speaker 7 (26:57):
Of like funky stuff that kind of clouded the start
of his season. But just the kind of clear headedness
from Afar that it seems that he has going into
this year, I think is big and I want to
see how that translates. And then the other thing is
like how much can they get Nicole Yokich off of
his feet this year? I think that's going to be critical.
You know again that we know this guy is just
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a machine in terms of his endurance and all those
kinds of things. But you know, he's another year older.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
I think you want to have him more.
Speaker 9 (27:25):
Fresh going into the playoffs this year.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
Than you did last year.
Speaker 7 (27:28):
So like, you know, how how much can they get
on his Valcunis on the floor because they can kind
of play.
Speaker 9 (27:34):
A little bit more of the same way when.
Speaker 7 (27:36):
When Jokic sits, you know, maybe that allows you to
kind of give him some some longer runs. You know,
if if this roster is overall better, maybe maybe you
have more leads late in games than you did last year.
And then again like that, the other part of that
test is can Adaman take a bigger picture view than sometimes.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
Mike Michael Malone did.
Speaker 7 (27:54):
That was such sort of the criticism of just like,
you know, playing guys heavy minutes early in the year
because you're chasing every win, when hey, we know we're
good enough to be where we need to be in
the playoffs. Let's not lose sight of the you know,
the forest through the trees.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
Kind of thing.
Speaker 7 (28:08):
So that those are those are a few of the
things I'm really looking looking forward to seeing from them.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah, no doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
And then one thing, and this last thing for me,
I appreciate you joining us, Nick. The chemistry thing, right,
this team up until this year was kind of the same. Course,
it's not kind of the same guys, and they knew
even if they had to play a lot of minutes,
they knew what they were going to be doing. And
Cam Johnson now in place of Michael Porter Junior, Like,
how does that change some of the rotations and where
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you think he's going to be, and I understand that
a lot of people are excited about how he's going
to be better, maybe a better defensive player, But there
were some nice things that Michael Porter Junior obviously did
for this team.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
You know, Bruce Brown's gonna fit right like a glove.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
I mean, I'm not worried worried about that, but you
mentioned Valancunas, you know, what's that going to look like?
So for me, like the chemistry of things early on
is going to be something to watch.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
What do you think?
Speaker 7 (28:55):
Yeah, I one hundred percent agreed. I think as good
as I think a lot of people think this team is,
and it certainly looks like, you know, the best rosters
since at least their championship season in twenty three, and
I don't think people even thought that roster was that
good going into that year. You know, as good as
it is, I think it would be naive to not
think there is going to be some you know, maybe
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some early season hiccups because of that what you said,
Like they've played with largely the same cast for quite
a while and they made some pretty big shakeups this offseason.
But I think you need it. I think you need
sort of that refresher. I mean even just look at
the you know, the Patriots in our sport that we cover,
right like, they had already won championships and then all
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of a sudden you get a guy like with the
talent of Randy Moss and I know they did not
add somebody of that talent profile. I'm just saying, like,
somebody with that kind of energy that they brought in
and all of a sudden a team that you said
you knew was a championship type team but then just
elevated to a different level because you had this sort
of spark. I'm interested to see what the collective of
these new guys brings that kind of element to the Nuggets.
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But yeah, I think that getting that chemistry right, figuring
out rotations and all those kinds of things are are
going to be important.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
No doubt.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Nick always appreciated man, great reporting as always. We will
talk to you soon. All right, Well, thanks a Lott
the cosmoner from the Athletic. Really good stuff there. Yeah,
the article is sobering. He's a write up that I
read earlier today on penalties. It's it just does paints
a picture for the Broncos where they they've got to
figure it out.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
I just don't know.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
I mean, there comes a point then where you are
what you are, right, I mean we joke around about
the Bill Parcell saying you are, which your record says
you are. But then if you're again most penalized team
in the league by a wide margin, as he put
it out here, five hundred and seventy five. Next closest
is Jacksonville at five twenty eight. And again we've just
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watched Jacksonville out there in London, looked extremely sloppy. They
have the most defensive penalties accepted, fourth most offensive penalties accepted,
and only five teams have been penalized fewer times on
special teams than Denver six.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
So all three phases are feeling this.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Yeah, it's not any one area. I mean special things
is really falling off since last year. That's that's been
an issue, you know, But there are you know, I
certainly these people that are out there talking about conspiracies
against the Broncos. That's silly, like that's just nonsense. But uh,
you know, end of the day, I mean, you get
penalized a lot, and I don't think that there's too
many of them that are unwarranted, Riley Moss when you know,
(31:28):
I would I would put out there as a leading
candidate on that. But a lot of these penalties are
and there's there's some that're getting away with, you know,
on top of it. So they've got to figure out
a way to be more disciplined. You got to be
you know, if you're going to do stuff, you got
to you got to coach it up right. There's no
such thing as legal holding. You got to be able
to do it. The pre snap penalties are a killer.
What are we doing on things you can definitely control?
And so yeah, I think there's some I think there's
(31:50):
definitely some some penalties you'll take. You'll take being a
little aggressive early in a game to set a tone,
you know, that kind of stuff. You'll take Benito every
once in a while, jumping off side because you know,
you know how good he is and being able to
tie that up. But you can't. I mean, we just
we do take too many penalties. And it's been the
difference in games, literally the difference in games in some
and so you know, that's one of those things they
(32:12):
really you've got to find a way if if we're
not getting through with what we've coached so far. We've
got to find a different way to get the message
through that this is unacceptable because you're either coaching it
to happen or you're allowing it to happen. At the
end of the day, I mean, I.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Guess if you want to go a little bit more
of a glass half full, is is they're they're doing
all this and they're still five and two.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
They're doing all of this.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
I hate that though, because that that justifies bad process
in a way.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
I understand.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
I'm saying from us looking on the outside, right, we
got away with it. Internally, you have to coach better, right,
you have to say that this is unacceptable and we
have to be better. Nobody wants to have to be
the most penalized team in the league. You don't even
want to be. You don't even penalized ever, But you
also don't want to be on that in that category.
I'm just saying, like, the margins are better for this
team than they used to be.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
The fact that you are able to survive.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Look, I mean twelve was it twelve penalties for one
hundred and twenty seven this last Sunday. Yeah, twelve for
one hundred and twenty one versus the Eagles, and you
won both of those games. Historically for the Broncos, they
wouldn't even be in the same zip code of a
possibility for that would sink Q.
Speaker 6 (33:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
So what I'm saying so like fair, their margins are
a little wighter. But at the end of the I'm.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Saying that's internally you don't coach it like that, right,
I'm saying, we on the outside get to say, hey,
this is something where you say, well, at least the
margins are a little better for this team. If they
can correct some of these things, maybe they win these
things a little close. You know, that's close than they are. Yeah,
I yeah, I think the margins are a little wider.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
But also you're playing opponents that I mean, the Bengals,
the Eagles, Okay, whatever, but I mean the Bengals, the Jets,
the Giants. These are not good football teams overall, and
you know that will eventually catch up with you when
you do play good football teams.
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