10-27-25 KOA Sports Hour 2 with Nick Ferguson

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Broncos with a huge win over the Dallas Cowboys forty four,
twenty four.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
We're gonna have Ian roppenbre joining us here at four thirty.

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Get his thoughts not only on that, but some of
the happenings around the league, all sorts of Big League
news this afternoon. We're still waiting to find out what's
going on with Pats or Tan, so we'll bring you
that when we have that information. The text line did
not appreciate Ben's texts very much.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
And listen, man, I understand.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
I kind of think again, the whole wet blanket all
right stuff and being negative for negative's sake, is.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
He's leaning into it.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
He is leaning into it. Yeah, this is what they
get paid to do.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
I mean, yes, also doesn't make it any less difficult
to do. There's a reason why it's the smallest percentage
of the population that can even play, let alone be
a receiver that makes plays every single Sunday consistently right.
And we don't know, we don't know what Pat Bryant
is going to be over the course's career, just like
Troy Franklin after his rookie year. You say that's something

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that he really struggles with and maybe he won't get
better at it. You fast forward to your two and boy,
Troy Franklin's been pretty reliable for the most part. He
had the drop yesterday he caught it that he didn't,
but otherwise I think overall we've been happy with Troy
Franklin as the way he's played this year.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
When you agree, I definitely agree.

Speaker 4 (01:19):
And that I ask you this, have you ever been
to a circus before you?

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Do you have?

Speaker 4 (01:25):
I mean, did you enjoy your experience going to the circus? I?

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah, I think so. Okay, it's been a long time.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
And the reason why I say that is because I've
been to the circus. I've seen circus lay and I've
seen trepeze artists. They get paid to do that. But
to say that that's nothing and just dismiss it as
though that's not a difficult task, it's undermining the performance
of the artists.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
The same way I look at wide receivers.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
Yes, do they get paid to make those types of catches,
But I think we still can validate and admire the
beauty that's associated with make in such a catch. That's
why we have those wild moments where your mouth is
on the floor and it's like, did he actually do that?
Because it's not routine, not everyone can do that, and.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
So like to that point, right, and I did get
some of this in Durham. Broncos react last night to
that point, specifically taking on this Cowboys defense, which it
struggled this year. They have and the numbers bear it
outs performance otherwise. But we've seen examples Broncos fans where
the team that's struggling all of a sudden is the
get right game against you. They somehow turn it all

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that they put they put it all together, and you're
the get right game. And we're saying, well, we went
into this thing with expectations and it was the exact opposite.
By the way, very quickly, it was a wild weekend
in the.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
NFL, A lot of blowouts.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Do you realize there was only one game decided by
one score and that hasn't had it happened since Week
fourteen of.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Nineteen seventy Which game was that?

Speaker 1 (02:56):
It was the Jets game that they can't sorry grant
that they came back and beat the Bengals.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
First ub for Eric glenm my Boys first DUBU.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Only one game decided by one score hasn't happened since
nineteen seventy Eighteen point two five was the average margin
of victory and that's the eighth most all time.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
Now with that data and known as though there were
several games that were lopsided victories, what does that tell
you about where the game is right now post to
where it was maybe five years ago.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Absolutely nothing. There's nothing I draw a conclusion. There's eight starters,
eight quarterbacks, starters that were different yesterday than we're the
opening day starters. It's just part of what the NFL is,
I think the more than anything, it's just a reminder
of first of all, how how much variance there is
any given Sunday. And then the other thing is is

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that you really can get your backside beat in this league.

Speaker 4 (03:57):
But see what that tells me is that once again
you talk about party in the league, that teams are
now catching up. Those teams that were the bottom teams
of the past eight years, they're now starting to change
because their culture is changing. They have maybe younger coaches
that look a little more innovative. They're looking to take
a little more risk than they take they took previously.

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So just think about did we think Buffalo was going
to lose two in a row. I don't know I
saw that coming, even though their defense was struggling. But
there's a lot of parody in the league where anything
can happen like these same Dallas Cowboys they lost to
the Carolina Panthers. Right, so I quickly I do understand
fans approach and say, okay, well, if you look at

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the Broncos and a point total they blew out of
the Dallas Cowboys, expected they did the same things.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
It wasn't expected though. There's a lot of people that
picked the Cowboys to win this game.

Speaker 4 (04:52):
Well, by the way, I know, okay, well him and
Zack Seegers of the crew to pick them, But we
knew going in statistically the Dallas Cowboys defense were at
the bottom of every Statistico defensive category.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
Correct, and now you missed three players on a defense
side of it's only going to get worse.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
So I anticipated that the Broncos would go on performed well,
but once again, great test upcoming Sunday against the Houston
Texans to really get a fine litmus test of truly
who this team is from an offensive standpoint.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Probably got about seven or eight texts in a row
ask been what his prediction was against Dallas for different people,
that's pretty remarkable this one. In all respect and all
due respect to Ben, and I mean all due respect,
I'm glad the Broncos are finally doing what they are
quote unquote supposed to do as a football team. I'm
not taking it for granted. By the way, check out
the podcast taking it for Granted on the iHeartRadio app.

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Considering the years after Peyton Manning and before Sean Payton.
Also happy with Bonix and his progress as a franchise
quarterback after twenty five regular season games. B Leaf from
frankin Texas, Well, that is something that you're kind of
hoping is a bit of a springboard. You're not going
to face the defense like this, I mean even next
week against the Houston Texans. That's a very good, very

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good defense there. Tamiko Ryans is coaching down there in Houston.
But the fact is is there's a confidence, there's a
swagger to what they were doing, right. There was a
belief right there. There was an attack mindset they went
into that game with. And yeah, the first pass, well
the second pass, actually the first pass was a completion

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to have an ingram for a first down. The second
pass where he threw it way behind Pat Bryant was ugly.
I'm not exactly sure what happened there. Maybe you have
some insight, But after that he was nails. I mean
he was throwing it all over the field. He was
attacking downfield, he was attacking over the middle. Everything that

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people have been browsing about well locally and nationally for
weeks now.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
He was doing all of those things, and he was
doing with a lot of confidence.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
He was and all of those were bridges offered the
one thing that the Broncos were said to come into
the season and do, and did not do it very
well on a consistent basis. They had spurts and moments.
But what we saw was the Broncos run the ball.
Because here's the stat that I was paying attention to.

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Bow's attempts last week was fifty twenty nine passing attempts.
Very efficient by bo and you mentioned that passing through
behind timing rhythm was a little off. Settled him down,
and Sean Payton started doing the one thing that he
wrote on the back of his place sheet to do
run the ball.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
Bring on, doctor Dave Schneider brought to by Ortho Colorado
Hospital part of Common Spirit Health go to Orthoclorado dot Org.
All right, Dr Schnider. So he left earlier for a
leg issue, but then he came back in. He played
until right before half when on an awkward tackle with
George Pickens, it seemed like he got some kind of
shoulder injury.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
That's at least how they're describing it. What did you see?

Speaker 5 (08:09):
It concerned me a little bit, Ryan, and we all
saw when they did the replay the kind of odd
tackle he got spun around a little bit. The concern
is when a player grasps the front of his chest
like that, any sports medicine surgeon starts wondering, Uh, oh,
I hope that's not a partial peck terror pector alis

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major terror, because that's a great way of doing it.
When you're loading and twisting and trying to throw someone down.
You can tweak your peck that way. And so I'm concerned.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Okay, But just a follow up on that, So does
that mean? So what are the grades of that?

Speaker 1 (08:46):
Because I mean, we know that the super scary one
that knocks you out for the season. Is there one
in between there that and what would that look like
and how long would he be out?

Speaker 5 (08:56):
There are different grades, and of course a much more
common injury be just like a strain to the shoulder
or maybe the shoulder joint itself came out of joint
a little bit and that that can hurt. So this
is me hopefully I'm making too much of this, but
your peck. You can injure your peck. And every year
in the league there's you know, eight to ten pectrelis
major tears. It tends to be in and the guys

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in the lines, in the trenches or a linebacker. But
when a player like PS two suffers, it usually more
of a partial thickness kind of injury, and that means
you're out for a few weeks and then you're back.
So there's no doubt that he's probably already had his MRI.
It was either last night or this morning. And I'm

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hoping that I'm making too much of it, but I'm
a little concerned.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
Oh, yesterday we saw a bevy of injuries, and none
more than Cam Scattabu, who was really exciting for the
fan base in New York, and he seemed to have
dislocated his ankle. What would that surgery or that reb
be like for him as he tried to recover.

Speaker 6 (10:01):
Nick.

Speaker 5 (10:02):
You know, normally when we see that replay and you
see someone's leg coming off to the side, it can
be just a pure ankle dislocation. But that's actually really rare.
But usually as up happening is you break a couple
of bones that come around at the ankle joint, both
on the inside, the medial side of the ankle and
the outside. On the outside is that little skinny fibula

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bone and when you roll your angle you can see
that part of the angle swell up higher. When you
get a fractured dislocation like Scataboo had, almost certainly you
break the fibula, that skinny bone on the outside, You
break that up high, you know, like six to ten
inches above the ankle, and then the whole thing can dislocate,

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which is why on the field you can actually snap
that back into into joint and make the guy's legs
straight like they did for him and put that air
cast on. Now, sometimes when that happens, a little bone
hooks through it makes it an open frag. Sure, that's
why you have surgery within hours. Then he would have
had surgery in Philadelphia last night. The nice thing as

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gruesome as a crooked leg looks, because it's exactly what
Dak Prescott had, It's exactly what Chris Godwin had with
the Bucks earlier this season. The surgery is pretty easy
and it's usually not as much damage to the joint itself.
So I think Kim he'll miss the whole rest of
the season, He'll be great for next year. Giants fans

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should take heart.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Doug.

Speaker 4 (11:32):
I have to ask you this question because our football
family lost someone over the past weekend, Jets, Nick Mango,
and he was dealing with a rare genetic kidney disorder.
And I don't know if you can add any more
information to that, but I know he was saying as
though his family, there was no one in his family
was old blood type, and I just found that to

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be rare.

Speaker 5 (11:56):
Yeah, Nick, I'm so glad you're bringing this up. You know,
Nick apparently had a type of genetic kidney disorder that
predisposed him to early kidney failure, which is why he
was on dialysis. It's not so much the blood type,
it's the actual tissue type, the genetic type that they
search for when they're doing a live organ donor for

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people who need, say a liver transplant, a kidney transplant.
You have to be an exact genetic mass. So it's
not so much blood type. Because I thought the same
thing you did, Nick in the paper about being certain blood.
That's not the issue. It's the more precise genetic typing.
But it's worth talking about because there can be no doubt.

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There's some people listening right now that have early kidney
failure and they haven't thought it through. Maybe they're just
feeling lethargic, or the look of their pe their urine
is different, or they're getting swelling on their hands and feet.
You should not ignore that. And if you're listening right
now and you're thinking, man, my hands and eat or

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swelling more. I just kind of feel out of it
or tired, or I feel like I haven't to take
a nap, pay attention to that. See your doctor take
it a simple blood test, and the simple urine test
can catch it before it turns into something serious. And
prayers out to Nick Mangol and his family. He was
only in his early forties, way too young to pass away.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Perfectly said, doc, thank you so much for the advice
and always appreciate you popping on with us.

Speaker 5 (13:27):
Thank you, all right, thank you guys.

Speaker 6 (13:29):
All right.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Doctor David Scheider from Ortho Colorado Rods is by Ortho
Colorado Hospital, part of Common Spirit Health. Go to Orthoclorado
dot org. Bring on our NFL network insider Ian Rapaport
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Good afternoon, Ian, appreciate the time as always, How are you.

Speaker 6 (13:53):
I'm good. What's happening guys?

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Well, I mean a lot the NFL. What a weird
kind of weekend.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
It was first time we had one game decided by
one score since nineteen seventy What I mean, what does
that mean to you? I mean, eighteen point twenty five
was the average margin of victory and that's the eighth
most all time.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
What do you make of that weekend?

Speaker 6 (14:12):
It feels like it's sort of like, uh, you know,
what are they called revision to the meme where it's
like we've had so many, so many games that have
been closed, so many games that have gone down to
the wire. Every game that seems has been a one
score game. When I was at the NFL owners meetings
in New York.

Speaker 5 (14:30):
About a week ago.

Speaker 6 (14:31):
You know, that was one of the things the league
talted was every game has been close. Well, you know
you watch enough, you watch enough NFL, you know that
that is unfortunately not always reality. So I think, you know,
we sort of got to the other side of this weekend.
And the other thing I would say is like, as
we get on in this season, it's kind of slowly
becoming a little clear, like who are the haves and

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who they have not? Like who were kind of the
good teams basically, and it just so happened to have
a matchup of a bunch of good versus a bunch
of not good and you know this was sort of
the outcome.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
Now.

Speaker 5 (15:05):
You know.

Speaker 6 (15:05):
The other thing is like, the one of the best
games is against two of the worst team with the
two of the worst teams Bengals and Jets. But you
know this, these things can happen unfortunately.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
Well, and speaking of haves and have nots, after watching
the different Broncos over the past couple of weeks, I mean,
how do you look at them? Are they part of
the haves or the high have knots that can actually
make people from a national standpoint really stand up and
recognize them.

Speaker 6 (15:31):
You know, I think they are. They're definitely one of
the haves.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
I'm just not one.

Speaker 6 (15:36):
Hundred percent sure what they are yet. You know, like
because they've had some really good moments and then they've
had some moments where the offensive struggling and the defense
hasn't struggled at all. I think that's pretty clear. Evan
shows the guys are doing a great job, but they've
had some times when the offense has struggled and kind
of make me go, like, how real is any of this?
But then the other part is I think because they're

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a well coached team and because Sean Payton doesn't really
a good job, when they had to have it, they.

Speaker 5 (16:03):
Do, you know, they do.

Speaker 6 (16:05):
I just you know, I think eventually the offense isn't
kick in the gear. You know, you're not going to
play the Cowboys defense every week, so I think at
some point they're going to have to bring it. I
think they will. But you know, like there's going to
be playing games every season where you don't play your
best and you win. I feel like the Broncos have
won almost all of those this season.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
We heard from coach Harbaugh a little bit ago that
it looks like Lamar Jackson's going to be available for
Thursday night's game. What was your takeaway from this weekend
sort of shenanigans, I guess you will.

Speaker 6 (16:35):
Yeah, it was actually really interesting. I was sort of
in the middle of it because I was the one
who reported that it was Lamar taking scout team reps,
and you know, to be totally honest, like I didn't.
I knew what I reported was true, but I didn't
fully grasp kind of like what it meant. And basically,
how like, you know, if he's taking scout team reps,

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they have to say that he's not a full participate,
and because you need to be taking your regular reps
to be a full participant.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
So that came out.

Speaker 6 (17:05):
I started getting some texts like hang on, hang on, how.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
Is he full?

Speaker 6 (17:08):
And I was like, oh, how is he fall? And
you know, then they went back and changed it, and
you know, I think it's very possible they're facing a fine.
I would say maybe likely they're facing a fine. Now
they said they did nothing wrong. You know, I can
certainly understand and take the word for it, but it
does seem to be wrong considering they changed it. So yeah,

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the NFL's reviewing, and you know, I would expect some discipline.

Speaker 4 (17:33):
We saw Carson Wentz return back, I mean return to Minnesota,
and things didn't really look well this last game. And
we can see him grim saying because of that that arm.
Now he's been ruled out. He's gonna have surgery on
that shoulder. So I'll ask this question, is this the
last that we've seen of one Carson Wentz?

Speaker 6 (17:53):
How old do you think Carson Wentz is?

Speaker 3 (17:56):
It's probably what maybe thirty one thirty two?

Speaker 6 (18:00):
Yeah, see he is, he's thirty two, But it's because
we've it's weird, like I kind of wondered the same thing.
It's like, well, he's obviously like thirty six thirty seven,
he's not. He's only thirty two. That's young, especially because
I'm old. You know, here's where it stands for Carson Wentz.
He was able to play through a torn labor m
in his left shoulder and a fractured socket. That is

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a significant injury. Now he's gonna have his fourth baby girl,
so I guess his wife is gonna Yeah, his wife's
definitely gonna be otherwise that would be a real story,
and this is this is why people tune into the
show right well, and afterward he's going to have surgery

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to repair the laborum, and I think he'll be back.
I mean, he went two and three, which like, look,
you know, we talked a lot about the backup strong,
like we talked about Andy Dalton Kirk Cousins a lot.
Both played this week and were terrible, Like like Wentz
played well. So my guess is he's not done, and
I don't think he should be. I think he's earned

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the chance to keep playing.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Chatting with you and rap report, we're all anxiously awaiting
any kind of news on Pastor Tan who left the
game at halftime yesterday and talking a little bit of
shoulder injury. That's the least what's being reported. I don't
know if you've heard any rumblings at all, but anything
to pass along there.

Speaker 6 (19:22):
Yeah, you know, I'm waiting like everyone else. You know,
I'm hopeful that it's not major. But the longer it
goes without news, the longer you sort of wonder. And
I think, you know, the initial thought was that it
wasn't major, but you know, this is why you get
the MRI, and this is why you do all the tests,
and sometimes you know, you want multiple tests, and sometimes
it's not clean, and sometimes you need a bunch of

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different opinions. So to be totally honest, I don't know.
I'm hopeful for Denver that it's not that bad because
he is an excellent player. But we wait.

Speaker 4 (19:58):
So there's a lot of excitement in New York City
with her too fine new rookie pieces Jackson Dart and Campscatibul.
But Scataboo left the game and Eric has and it
seems as though his season is over. What does this
do for the momentum and more portly for the confidence
that Brian David was building with the New York Giants.

Speaker 6 (20:17):
Yeah, it's so tough because you know, I think everyone
knows this is year where Dave All is going to
be judged. And they've had moments where they've looked really good.
At me beat the Eagles in a nationally televised game.
You know, Jackson Dart has looked like a franchise quarterback
at times, really has for a rookie, especially, you know,

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you don't have neighbors, you don't have Scataboo, like everyone
has injuries, but that's those are two of your best players,
So I think it's I think the challenge gets harder,
and I'm you know, I'll be interested to see what
the Giants end up doing, because like you could easily
I know, the record is bad, you know, but you
could look at the record and be like, they've made

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progress as a team and they have the pieces to
get better. So you know, if they stay, then, you know,
I think it sets up a make or break here
next year. But it's sort of always a make or
break here in the NFL, so I'm not sure how
that fully changed anything, you know.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
No, I'm one hundred percent with you.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
By the way, Lamar Jackson listed as a full participant
on the Ravens projected injury report today, And I love
what your colleague Mike Garafalo said for real this time.

Speaker 6 (21:27):
That's annoying. I was going to say that, I really was.
That was gonna be my tweet.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
He's stolen. You know you're on the phone with us.
I apologize any missdowns, but yeah, that was Mike moments ago,
pretty funny stuff.

Speaker 6 (21:40):
Irustrating.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Well, look forward to your tweets in matter of moments
looking forward to seeing what you can do.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
It's a top that.

Speaker 6 (21:46):
Oh God, God help me.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
All right, thank you guys, appreciate you and thank you
so much. We'll check in with you next week. That
is Ian Rappaport, our NFL Network insider. Yeah, that was
pretty funny for so he was scoop by his own apparently. Yes, yeah,
but yeah, full participant. John Harbaugh said a little bit ago,
that was a weird deal. We'll get back to the Broncos,
but just for a moment. And then thean said it

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right there, it's like reporting as a full practice participant
for Scout. And the reason why this is such a
big deal. Okay, it's for the gamblers. That's why it's
a big deal. It's I don't even know. Well, hold on,
So there's a certain amount you think from a competitive standpoints, right,

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what the Bears are preparing for Lamar Jackson versus Snoop
Puntley is different.

Speaker 6 (22:36):
It just is right.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
One's a multi time MVP and one is well as
a pro bowler. Actually, just Sup Puntley was a pro
bowler at one point.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
But I digress.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
The point of it is is that's a different thing.
But the reason why we have practice reports at all
is because of the gamblers. And so the line which
I think all the way up who did it move?
It was all the way out to I think six
and a half, seven and a half when everybody thought
Lamar was playing, and it swooped all the way down

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to one and a half when.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
He found it. It was just a practice squad.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yes, it's a big difference.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
Now in the end, if you got in it Raven's
mine is six and a half seven and a half,
you're actually pretty fine because they ended up covering that.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Anyways, it didn't really matter. But there were a lot
of people very.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Angry because you know, you put those bets in and
you're thinking, okay, I'm good, Ravens are about to come back.
They just come off by Lamar Jackson's back. They're getting healthier,
everything's gonna be good. Bears are okay, but they're not
gonna be able to hang with Lamar Jackson in a
motivated Ravens team. And then he's out all of a
sudden because he was full practice practice squad.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
Well, there is a.

Speaker 4 (23:47):
Hidden underlined message, Well, if the odds and the numbers
hurts you on this whole Ravens Bear situation. You can
always opt not to participate.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
Gambling problem caller text one hundred gambler.

Speaker 4 (24:05):
I'm just saying you could theoretically, but you also know
and logically too as well.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
But you know, I host the show on Sunday mornings.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
I get that.

Speaker 4 (24:15):
Yeah, and you and you're trying to cater to the
audience on both sides, those who are you know, gamblers
and those who are not.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
And we got the information on Saturday, so we had
some time.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
It wasn't like suddenly he was in an active ninety
minutes before the game, right, It wasn't one of those
like last.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
Second, So you have ship time to change your bet.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
Well, no, you don't get to change your bets once
you place the bet. The bet is placed, you can
you can cash out, which sometimes comes with a penalty,
right most. I mean, some some books work different than others.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
But see, this is my own gamble.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Yeah, that's fine, it's just it's good.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
So I laid my bet.

Speaker 4 (24:53):
The thing the odds changed because the player that was
rude said to have a possibility of playing.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
Now he's out. Yeah, now I'm also out some money
too as well. Yeah that I don't like those odds,
I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
But anyways, the practice reports exist. Just anyways for that,
that's the only that's really the biggest purpose. People think
it's from a competitive standpoint. No, no, no, no, no,
it's so that the gamblers know who's playing who's not.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
Can't you get some of your money back?

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Well, like I said, usually you can cash out with
some kind of relatively small penalty and then you can
place the bet. Again, I would hope that it would
make you really mad if you cashed out, you took
the penalty, You've resubmitted your bets and then they covered. Anyways,
I mean that was there's a bloous I mean they
won handling.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
I think it was. Uh was what was the final
on that one? Look it up real quick here.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
Yeah, I mean they ended up handling the Bears, yeah
to thirty to sixteen two touchdowns.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
So yeah, there's a lot of blowouts over the weekend.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
As we talked about a little bit earlier, the first
time since nineteen seventy only one game decided by one score.
And I like Ian's point there before we get back
to the Broncos, I like his point there that this
is sort of a regression to the mean conversation. Every
single game, like the NFL has been unbelievable this season,
like it always is, and we've had so many games

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decided by one score, every single game coming down to
the wire, blocked field goals or last second touchdown. I mean,
it's been remarkable to see. But we've had it in
a couple weeks now of some blowouts, and there's some
have and have nots, especially at the quarterback position, that's
never been more prevalent about the value of having that guy.
I had a call asses on in Broncos React. I

(26:41):
thought this was such a great point that was brought up.
When we get done with this season, or maybe even
years from now, there might be a real conversation about
Bonix's availability. Like I said, he plays every week versus obviously,
JJ McCarthy, Jayden Daniels, Michael PENNOCKX is miss games so far,

(27:06):
Kayleb Williams has been out there, so is Drake May.
But but Drake May didn't play all last year. Point is,
Boonix has played this entire time, and I don't know
if you know this, but he actually has fifty two
total touchdowns. Jade and Daniels has forty, Drake May has
thirty four, and Kayleb Williams is thirty. One point of
it is is we may get to the end of

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this thing and say bo Knicks has more wins, might
even have some more productivity. He's not gonna get the
national headlines like Drake May or Jadan Daniels or Caleb
Williams because he's the sixth quarterback in the draft class.
But I think Broncos fans might come to the end
of this thing and say, you know what, that's that's
awesome because he's out there every single week, he gives
the team a chance to win, and he's productive every

(27:50):
single week. And I thought that was such a fantastic
point when you compare to the rest of the rookie class,
who may have some flashier moments on bigger stages, but
Boenix just goes to work.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
But that goes back to simple football availability and right
now at this stage of the game, even with the
back injuries that we found out after the season last
year that he was dealing.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
With, it's really easy.

Speaker 4 (28:15):
Like when your guys are healthy, obviously the potential for
them to produce actually is higher posed to guys who.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
Are not playing.

Speaker 4 (28:24):
You look at Jayden Davis, He's missed a couple of
games this season, not because the Washington Commanders thought they're
sitting because he wasn't performing well, it's because of the injury.
So allows other guys who in your draft class to
continue to build their stats and kind of stack the deck.
And that's going to be the overall point for both

(28:46):
Nick's moving forward, making sure that he is healthy because
I tell people this all the time, and he think,
while when I say this, when we look at teams
that make the super Bowl, it's not always the better
team from just a talent standpoint. They'll get me wrong.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
The teams are talented, but it's the team that's the
health healthiest.

Speaker 6 (29:07):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
That's the thing.

Speaker 4 (29:09):
And right now when we look around the NFL, even
with this whole news about you know, PS two, we
don't really know exactly what's going on with him. The
Broncos have a massive record based on being healthy. And
if you've got to pray for anything, fingers crossed, full
leaf clover, whatever you.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
Do, that is what you pray for. This team is
healthy because if they are, they are showing you what
they can do. If they are healthy.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Yeah, so far are they've able to work through the
injuries that they had.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Left guard of course is a big one, right, losing
Ben Powers and then your backup Matt Parrot losing him
and Nick gar Jula would have been in that conversation too,
but he's also out, so you have a little bit
of injury bad luck there. Knock on Wood, you've been
able to again talk about all the things you do.
You've been able to sustain. And Alex Potchewski, I thought
his looked he's an addition job.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
Last two week.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Now we're going to see what happens to the secondary
now you test it. PS two is going to be
out because what he represents because I remember, I believe
it was last year. It was a couple of years
ago when he went down in the Chargers game. It
threw off everything that the Broncos were doing. And maybe
there's a good lesson there, right, because the Chargers end
up winning that game and the defense looked kind of

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out of sorts. They've been playing at a very high
level and all of a sudden, this was in Denver
and Justin Herbert just went up and down the field
and they end up kind of putting the game away
by the third quarter. Broncos scored some points in the
fourth quarter to make it look a little better, but
the reality was it just wasn't It wasn't great, and
so hopefully that lesson was learned, and now you have
an entire week to kind of get everybody acclimated to

(30:45):
where they're.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Needing to be.

Speaker 4 (30:46):
See, that's the biggest thing, because to have a guy
injured in a game and then try to figure out,
how are we going to pass this to get up?

Speaker 3 (30:56):
We need glued, do we need duct tape? How are
we going to get this done?

Speaker 4 (30:58):
And it takes me back to two thousand and six
when we're playing Pittsburgh Steelers in AFC Championship and John
kind of gets nicked up and so does Champ on
the same play. Now we're scrambling how do we replace
their production? Does that change what we can do defensively?
And answer to that question is yes. So now the

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biggest thing for the Broncos. They'll know exactly how long
ps who is gonna be out short period of timelinthy
period of time. But now you have a week to prepare.
You can change your game plan and It's one thing
Ryan to know all week, go through the process, know
exactly how you fit into the scheme. Opposed to all right, Ryan, okay.
PS two is down go. That is nerve racket because

(31:43):
it changes what you can do from a defensive stand
corner standpoint. But also just the paranoia of the anxiety
that goes into a player going in in that particular
moment knowing that is that you have to play your best.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
What would you do so your events Joseph And we
don't know how long he's out, but just assume just
this week. Yeah, minimum, what's your plan.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
I'm gonna talk to my defense and say, look, this
is not what we plan for, but this is what
we have to deal with. These are the costs that
we were dealt. This is why Johnny Barron you were drafted.
You know, Chris Abrams drains, this is why you played
a lot last year and we kept you on this team. Now,
you guys are gonna be thrust into these roles. We

(32:25):
don't expect any drop off. We expect for you guys
to go in and perform. We don't expect you for
you to give us a PS two type of performance,
but we require you to give us your best performance.
We need a grade A performance. We don't need B
minus and we definitely don't need C minus. We need
you to go in there and play your game. I'm

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gonna help you guys out this week. I'm gonna change
some things around. I may do a couple of things
here and there a little different than we've done before.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
But it's a massive adjustment for all of us. It's
not just for you. It's a massive adjustment.

Speaker 4 (32:59):
But I got comfort fidance that we can get this
done because we operate not as one individual, we operate
as one single team. So I'm gonna need you to
go out there and give me your darn bess.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
I'd be interested to know what you think those adjustments
would because, and it has to be right, because what
pastor Tan represented for an entire side of the field
is different. It's different than whatever else you're going to
be able to put it out there. So those adjustments
are going to be interesting. But that's the part that
I'm really fascinated by.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
Can I toss this out too?

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Please?

Speaker 3 (33:30):
With PS two in the lineup, you don't have to
worry about him and who he's covered.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
You can tell your linebackers and your safeties lean heavily
this side. And we know the linebackers have had issues
covering speedy running backs out of the backdrop.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
We know that for sure. And that's not to say
that you know.

Speaker 4 (33:47):
The Texans running backs are going to be burners, but
once again, knowing as though your safetyes are going to
have to lean to one side or the other, that's
going to iscolate someone. And it's up to the Texas
to find that that matchup and exploit it.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
All right, we'll come back.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
I'm to tell you how you can win a pair
of Broncos Raiders tickets were given a pair away each
day this week.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Come back, give you a chance to win that. Plus,
I want to get into something with the defense.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
I want to stay with the defense for a few
moments because they did something yesterday that was so unbelievably impressive.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
I had no idea they were capable of it. We'll
get to that coming up next