11-02-25 Hour 4 of Broncos React

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Eight o'clock tonight.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
We still have one more of those Sam's Number three
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So if you're want to go, and you live in
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us a call a couple of a couple of texts. Here,
Davis Mills played better than Stroud would have. They're lucky
he was in.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
That's as opposite as you could possibly get. Did you
watch that game?

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Vegas having to play extra steps ahead of Thursday is sneaky,
great thing for the Broncos.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
That's some truth to that. Maybe allegedly.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Yeah, that helps. They got it. They I mean they're
Vegas is coming here, so you know it's additional. You know,
there's gonna be no prep this game whatsoever. It's going
to be a you know, a street fight from you know,
with almost noe with a walkthrough. And that's it.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Justin Herbert goes fourteen for thirty two to forty two,
one touchdown, four interceptions and loses, doesn't get heat where
Bronex goes eighteen for thirty seven one seventy three, two touchdowns,
an interception.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
I hate this. I hate these false dichonomies. Dude, like
Herbert is playing behind a bunch of guys that they
wouldn't start for some colleges right now in that offensive line.
I mean, you know, he's carrying that football team. They
can't get any push in the run game, and they
can't protect. He got sacked six times and should have
been sacked more than that. You know, if bo Nicks

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were playing behind that Chargers offensive line and Justin Herbert
were playing behind the Broncos offensive line, Herbert he might
lead the league in passing behind this line, and Bow
might look horrible. So there's context to everything. I hate.
I hate doing stuff like that. And what are we
talking about? Given heat Bow missed plays like forget the
box score, there were missed plays out there. That's what

(01:38):
we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Ryan, I thought the Broncos showed resiliency today. Bandy shook
off that muffed punt. It was good the rest of
the day, including a decision not to try running a
punt and taking a touchback. Likewise, Lutz's blocked field goal
didn't seem to affect him for his game winning attempt
and bo Nicks shining when it mattered most go Broncos.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
That's Todden centennial. It's great, great point, Todt.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
What do he said the muff pott is talking about
Bandy with the yeah I missed that part of the
sorryos well, he said that he shook it off like
it didn't seem to impact him the rest of the
way and in decision making. Yeah, I mean it's time
to have an honest conversation about firing a special teams
coordinator that had one mistake last year to bring in
a guy that's been nothing. You know that units had
nothing but mistakes this year. It's time to have that conversation.
But I do love the point the text are made
about the players shaking it off. Yeah, absolutely win.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Jogi says Ben does have a narrative. He hates PSLs
and carrot cake.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
It's well documented those.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
Are yes that that's that's not a narrative so much
as it is a universal truth in preference fact science.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Let's see here, we always weird Benjamin all right as
a Broncos insider. Sounds like he wants everyone else to
win when we beat everyone.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
When when has that ever give me a specific everybody
has See here's the thing everybody has These narratives, and
then when pressed can't provide a single specific example of
any of it.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
Is that next year on Broncos react with Ryan Airs
and bal Bright, what's a poll?

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Hello, Paul Man.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
If you would have offered that at the beginning of
the season, I'd say, hell, yeah, yeah, So yeah, win
LEAs is uh is tough and I want to throw
stuff at the TV. But forts quarter is really fun.
Two points. Sorry if I missed some mere show maybe
as we're talking about, but they showed the stat on
TV that we are have had the most attempts successive

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and yardage from those flat passes that when I'm watching,
we're not very successful with that. So I don't know
if you guys can kind of square that for me.
And then, uh, does that set something up? So if
they're running this so much, are they trying this? Is
this a tease for a long ball? They're trying to
set something up? And then final point, it seems to

(03:51):
meet some receivers are standing there waiting for the ball
and they should be busting back towards the ball, and
I think we would have had a couple more receptions
even Courtland had a drop. So anyways, just curious about
your thoughts on on those items. Guys.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
All right, thank you for the call.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
Pol So, the TV graphic was the most screen pass
attempts h and yardage off of screens in the NFL. Uh,
And I will tell you that most of that yardage
came off of a faked screen, which was the Nate
Adkins touchdown. Most of their screen yardiste came off that
one play over fifty so you know, whatever you want,

(04:31):
whatever you want to say about that they do. They
have the most screen pass attempts in the NFL, and
technically they have the most yardage on it because they
have one play that the Nate Adkins uh, you know,
the fake screen that Adkins went on the sale route
and uh and caught the ball and went for the touchdown.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Five zero three or three seven three eighty five eighty five.
Franc Texas leaving the game. What's up, Frank?

Speaker 5 (04:55):
Hi?

Speaker 4 (04:55):
You go?

Speaker 6 (04:55):
Man?

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Good?

Speaker 7 (04:56):
How are you doing?

Speaker 8 (04:58):
Excellent?

Speaker 7 (04:58):
Excellent? Seven and two? Happy that so pretty happy about that.
I heard Michael Strahead say like the Broncos were not
the way their winning is not sustainable, and I was
kind of laughing at that when I'm watching the TV.
But at the same time, I think, what's not sustainable?
I think you're probably alluded to it. I've been listening
because I've been cooking steak, but is the concert screen

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passes that get them in third and long? And I'm
really getting kind of annoyed with that. So that was
more you got what you guys thought about that.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Okay, thanks for the call, and well, first of all,
nice little flex there cooking steaks.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
It's good.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
So yeah, I again, I there's a there's a formula
for it.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
It to Ben's point, when it's showing that it's not
working as effectively as you'd like it too, then you
know this is not one of those like to double
down situations, and over the course of the season it
seems like they do double down on a lot of that. Again,
you're trying to get a really good defense to go
side to side versus in a little more horizontal on
the field than vertical, and you think that that's an advantage,

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and so that's that's just part of the gameplay. But
there is a point to an adjustment. Now the Broncos
have found a way through the process of all of
that to still be better at a lot.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Of these things. In the fourth quarter.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Now, is that because there's just more urgency that because
there's more desperation.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
I know you can sort of paint that brush however
you want to. But I'm saying in terms of the
screens and what they view it as, they view it
as an opportunity to get defenses going horizontal, and they
view it as an extension of the run game. Doesn't
mean it's necessarily working as we sit here and we
break down the finer points of the game, but you know,

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sometimes the vertical passing isn't working either. So for me,
I'm like, Okay, can you get the ball out of
Bonix's hands and set some things up. I think I
think he looks pretty good when he's throwing some of
those inbreaking routes, some of those those slants. I think
looks pretty good doing that, with the exception of last
week when he threw it like seven yards behind Pat Ryan,
but otherwise the receiver.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
Broke in and the ball just kept going a foot.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Fine speaking, I think he's pretty good at that.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
And I would do more than let me. Let me
give you guys a stat for the season. This does
not include every game today, but up till today, up
till the early slate today. EPA per play average by
play type on design runs is minus point oh six.
For screens it's minus point eight. You are literally worse
off running a screen than you are running the football
in terms of VPA and non screen drop back passes

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or plus point oh five.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
What do you think Sean was ay to that.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
I think he would say, don't quote me the math
or anything like that, or come up with a way
like I'm not going to talk about that, even though
it's a glaring problem right in front of you and
the math is irrefutable.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
All Right, We'll be right back here on the KWA
Broncos ready to network.

Speaker 6 (07:37):
He gets he gets the video award. It's a pirate route.
We got the right coverage, We set it up off
of a half back choice and then all of a
sudden take off and like we're just starting to see
right in front of our eyes a guy that we
felt strongly about. He can go and he and Dobbins

(08:02):
that one to two combination is is it's nice to
have as a coach.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
That was good stuff from Sean Payton.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
They had family members call in and he was talking
about the RG Harvey touchdown, which was which was a
pretty cool moment for sure, and then you got the
two point conversion tied the game. But what were you
thinking at that moment when they they tied the game.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
With the touchdown before the two point.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Conversion, which is when they actually got the two point conversion,
Like at that moment, you're like, hey, they're gonna win
this game, okay.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
You know at that point, I I mean, there was
never I think it was one of the text or no,
it was one of the colors earlier said they never
felt like they were out of it in this I
never felt like they were out of it. I was
just like, this is just ugly, sloppy, the gross football,
and we're not, in my opinion, maximizing the margins to
try to win. And when they finally got that, when
they got that touchdown in the fourth quarter, I guess

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it was and all of a sudden you're like, oh,
there's new life. You know, the heart attack horses are back. Then.
I don't know if I need to invoice iHeart or
if I need to invoice the Broncos this heart medication.
I need to watch their football games up till the
fourth quarter. But whoever that is, you're gonna be getting
a bill.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
Five six, six nine zero. We'll get back to the
phones here in a second.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
As much as they hate Shawn's screens, Ryan is right
about the conditioning the defense. I'm curious though, Peyton also
ran a lot of screens here, though they were a
lot more successful. It seems like, how does Seawan's stats
on screens compared to win Peyton, as in Manning was here.
That's a good question.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
When when Peyton ran ran wide receiver, Yeah, but they
ran different kinds of screen, I mean, they ran that
bubble of gas. But yeah, they ran some tunnel screens
and stuff like that. This is mostly bubble screens here,
and it just I mean, the success is significantly worse, significantly.
I don't have the exact numbers in front of me,
but I can from the eye test it's significantly worse. Okay, Well,

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we also used to run running back screens here a
little bit more. We don't really do.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
That any chance.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
The Broncos Chiefs in two weeks is flexed to Sunday night.
I guess I have to see who is the Sunday
night game. I'll tell you right now.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
Right now.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
The Sunday night game would be Lions Eagles, so probably not.
My guess would be that that one's going to stay,
stay where it's AT's not to say that the Broncos
Chiefs don't isn't legitimate in that conversation.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
But Lions, what day is the what day would the
Broncos chiefs be?

Speaker 5 (10:16):
What?

Speaker 1 (10:16):
What number date? It's November sixteenth, Okay, so.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
We will know that because you have to provide twelve
days in advance, I believe, yeah, so we will know
that within the next two days. We'll know by Wednesday
if that's getting flexed.

Speaker 9 (10:28):
Now.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
But the Lion's Eagles, I mean, I don't think they're good. Yeah,
I don't think they're gonna flex Lions Eagles out of that,
although the Lion's performance hoof. But if they were to
do that, we would know, like I said, in the
next two or three days.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Okay, we go uh, actually, we gotta take a quick break.
I apologize, guys. We gotta take a quick break. We
will come back and we will get to your calls.
If you're hanging on Howie, Tim, I will get right
to you as soon as we come back. Right here
on the Kwa Broncos Radio Network. Chiefs entered the season
with the longest winning streak and one score games in
NFL history.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
This season they're owned four wow. One score games.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
That's fascinating.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Note yeah, I mean that that's a little bit of
what the NFL is though, right it is.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
The NFL is mostly one score games. So you're going
to be successful if you're winning those.

Speaker 10 (11:09):
And you're not.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
If you're not, that's one hundred percent right.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Welcome back to Broncos React, Ryan Vers, Benjamin Alright, we're
on until eight o'clock.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
We'll bring you the latest.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
On Sunday football. Will also go an NFL scoreboard check
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you guys for hanging on and we got ten.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
Howie, Howie you're up next year. Thank you so much
for your patience. Howie, how are you?

Speaker 9 (11:38):
I am doing good? How are you?

Speaker 1 (11:40):
We're doing great, We're doing great.

Speaker 11 (11:41):
Thanks for calling in, Thank you for taking my call.
So my thing that great game, I mean my whole
new thing with watching this Broncos team is We've got
the fourth quarter. So as bad as we're doing in
the first and second and third quarter, we're gonna have
the fourth quarter, which is a weird thing.

Speaker 9 (12:02):
I've ever been like that, but that's how I am now,
and we end up winning. But so my thing that
I'm concerned about with this team is is that, you know,
with the passing game, actually with the passing and running game,
there's not one or the other that you're gonna sit
back and be like, oh yeah, we're gonna win the

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game because of these passing receivers or these running backs.
It's like so random how we win these games, which
is a good thing. And maybe I'm being stupid because like,
you know, we had McCafferty and Rod Smith and stuff
that they would win games and they weren't big time,

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you know, stat players for the league to talk about.
But it's just scary that I feel like we don't
have these consistent players always shining. I mean Courtland Sutton,
yes we have, but again he's been pretty quiet, but

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we just don't have this consistent passing game. And it
just concerns me a little bit that we don't, but yeah,
we kept winning, So like, what are your thoughts on, like, oh,
and he's missing these plays, and what's your thoughts on
the passing game?

Speaker 2 (13:25):
All right, thank you, Howie, I appreciate it. Well, you're right,
it's not consistent. I don't think it's inconsistent because of
anything like one thing specifically. Right when I look at
the Broncos passing game, it's kind of a multitude of things. Now,
some people will say, well, then you need more talents, right,
you need more like a Jalen Wattle or Chrystal Lovey.
I think a lot of these issues would be present

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with this group with added talents. I mean, you're certainly
gonna look at the offseason to add more. I thought
a little bit of a frustrating thing that they didn't
utilize a little bit today was Evan Ingram. He got
three tar gets in the game, but and one of
them was he was wide open. I mean he was
wide open and it sailed over his head. But overall,
like he's supposed to be a little bit of the

(14:09):
fire starter for your team when things are are not working.
He kind of gets gets cranking right and he gives
you some of those first downs when things are just
really not working in the passing offense. So for me,
I you will look probably to add some more in
the off season. But I don't think it's anything one
specific reason why the passing game has inconsistency.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
No, it's it's multiple things. And that's why I call
Evan Ingram the prodigy, because he's the fire starter. And
I'll go around there and smack your be up. But
I did that for you, you know, I I think I
figured you did. I think you know. It's it's multiple things.
What I will say, let's start with the positives. Uh.
We you know, we don't take negative plays, we don't
take sacks. BO gets it out quick. Uh, the offensive

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line holds up pretty well, and we run the ball
very well. My my, my, gripe or my my. The
reason that I'm so adamant with this is we have
something that's working that we could lean on, that we
could use to open up these other things. You talk
about the screen game opening up other things. Well, the
screen game isn't working and it's not opening up the
deep shots because I'm missing those two Let's get these

(15:09):
safeties sucked out in a box to stop this workhorse
monster over a running back that we got in the
off season in JK Dobbins, and when they sucked, when
those safeties get sucked up into the box, let's hit
him with the deep crossers like we were last year.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
I really like JK Dobbins, And I even said earlier,
to your point and to your credit, that I thought
they got away from JK a little bit earlier than
they needed to.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
I think it was at the half we had what
seventeen passing attempts in four carries.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
Yeah, it didn't make any sense. He was having some
success in the round he ripped off the twelve yard.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Or early on, and it.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Just felt like, right when he starts to gain some momentum,
we were like, all right, let's start throwing.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
Let's let's start feeling this.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
You know, we're no and again under the circumstances, maybe
you get a look. I don't know if bo Nix
is checking out of some of these. I don't know
that off the top, you know, like we don't know
if he's got two play calls. Usually teams have two
play calls. Get to the line and hey, it's a
loaded box. We're gonna go ahead and take advantage of
that we're gonna throw here. Okay, well that's something that
you base off the look you're getting. But also the

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engine of the team is very clearly JK. Dobbins. And
when he gets in a game like this where you
knew he was gonna be down to the fourth quarter
in a possession here and there, he only got fifteen carries.
This should have been a game where he gets to
twenty twenty five carries and you'd have been felt you'd
have felt fine doing something like that because it would
have kept you very much in the game. Now again,
you win the game, so you know, we come back
to the process of it and say, well, you put

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yourself in position in the fourth quarter and you came
up with the plays you needed to And JK. Dobbins,
by the way, had a couple of nice, nice carries
there at the very tail end of the game.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
But that's this is what they do. They get to
fifteen carres and they stop giving them the ball. They
had fifteen carries today. He had fifteen carries against Dallas.
He had fourteen carries against New York, fourteen carries against
the Jets, the only game where he had more than
that twenty against Philly. Then he had sixteen against Cincinnati,
eleven against the Chargers, fourteen against Indies, sixteen against Tennessee.
He gets to fifteen mark and they just quit giving
him the ball. It's like it's almost the goal is

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to get JKF fifteen touches and then we're done and
they can't be the goal. There's no rule in football
that says, if something is working, you have to try
something else. This isn't your this isn't your Madden League.
Or you can't run the same play three times in
a row. Dude, you can run it twenty straight times
if it's working. And that's the part of football. That
are one thing, one aspect of football that irks me.

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I think sometimes about coaches. You got something that's working,
then like, all right, we're gonna try these other things. Now,
why this is work? Just keep doing it? Make them
stop you. The Raiders once ran the same play twenty
one of twenty three times against the Denver Broncos.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
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Speaker 1 (17:39):
What's up, Tim?

Speaker 5 (17:41):
Hey? So I'm second string to Joel Dries and Fort
Morgan high school football.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
Nice, very cool. What do you got for, is Tim?

Speaker 5 (17:53):
Why don't we run an offense more like the Bill
bow Nick obviously running amazingly, being able to tuck it,
run it. I want to hear your.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
Yeah, we got you you with the quarterback to run more?

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Is that yeah? Is that what he's saying?

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah, He's like, why aren't you running an offense a
little bit more like what they're doing with the Buffalo Bills,
where well.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
The Bills have been clamoring for a new offensive coordator
for several weeks up until today, the passing game has
been a bit of a struggle for Buffalo. Now their
offensive cordator Joe Brady, a guy who learned under Sean Payton.
He was there as an assistant under Sean Payton for
a season the Bills in Dalas success running the football.
Cook had twenty seven carries again against Kansas City today.
I can't remember what he had last week. But it

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comes to their offense comes from just running the football,
running the ball, run the ball, run the ball. I
don't know that you necessarily wanted Bo out there running
the ball a bunch today with Aziz al Shair out
there head hunting that that might have been one that
I might have been a little had a little trepidation on.
But otherwise I'm sort of with you. You do need use
Bo's legs a couple of times early in the game

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and open those things back up for your running backs,
open up wider lanes for your running backs because they
got to put contained back in and respect the legs.
You're ready. We did that a lot last year, and
we just we've gotten away from it this year for
whatever reason. I'm sort of with you on that. You
don't want to you don't want to put your QB
at risk, But I'm with you on that. I would
love to see early on another way to settle bow down,
you know, have him go run a couple, have him

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run a couple. You know.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
James Cook had twenty seven carries for a buck fourteen today. Again,
I think we're all in the same page about wanting
to see more from JK.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
Dobbins.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
So I would have easily been happy with a twenty
plus carry game from JK. Dobbins that just to see
ultimately what it looked like. Josh had six carries for nineteen.
Two of those were goal line touchdowns, so I don't
even that's not really getting him out on the move.
But I understand your point, and historically what they've been
with Josh Allen is the threat of the run and
you have to plan for that. The Broncos aren't designed

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like that, at least they haven't been, so to his
point is question there is why aren't the Broncos doing
more designed runs? There's times where they tease that and
we get some games where there are some designed runs
and it looks really good. And then I'll give you
credit on one thing, which I think I called you
a wet blanket on earlier on Twitter. But it's like

(20:13):
you do something and then we won't see that ever. Again,
That's what I said.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
I tweeted it out the second jk rips off that
nine yard run just started like, well, jk rips off
a nine yard run, We're not going to see him
the rest of the game.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Yeah, I still called you a wet blanket.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
I know, but I'm it's one of those things that's
just absolutely frustrating.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
So yeah, Brett and Aurora, is that next year on
Broncos React?

Speaker 1 (20:32):
What's up? Brett?

Speaker 12 (20:34):
You're talking to me? Yes, we are, Hey, you callowed
me out from Aurora. Yeah, I was born and raised
in Aurora, but that's not where I'm from. But hey,
guess what, man, I think that what we're talking about
here is interesting because I think that we have to

(20:55):
maybe talk about how is it that we're still like
doing like these like four dimensional chess pieces versus like
three dimensional chest pieces, you know what I mean? Like
where're we're looking at? Like what I thought today was
so amazing to see just a win come out of

(21:19):
all the pieces coming coming together. So like when when
we're looking at like, for example, I don't know, man,
like you guys got me on the on the on
the fly, I didn't really know exactly what I was
gonna say. But hey, man, like the idea is we
have completely lost the plot when it comes to what

(21:45):
Peyton is doing because he is so much smarter than
the rest of us, Like we we don't really actually
know what's happening. So like it's okay that we're gonna
win by three points or a score points, so whatever,
like every every time.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
All right, Brett, I listen, be safe out there. I
was speaking of losing the plot. I was having a
tough time following you but.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
Yeah, we yeah, we don't know what you say. I mean,
I I don't really know where to go with that,
but I will say that, I mean, yeah, we don't
know what. We don't know that that certainly, but we
can criticize what we see, and what we see is
the continued use of things that don't work and passing
up on things that we definitely work. And you know,

(22:34):
I highlighted that specific uh, that play from the Raiders
that that was in the November twenty sixteen game. I
don't remember the exact date, but it was November twenty sixteen.
Whether the Raiders ran It's an off tackle run called
crunch that you know, it's a it's basically a form
of duo uh, and they ran it. They ran it?
Was it twenty out of twenty three plays, including ten
in a row with Latavious Murley uh Jayln Richard. I

(22:56):
wish I could remember what the third running back was
there at the time, because it wasn't DeVante Booker and
there yet it was the other guy at the Andred
Washington I thing. But anyway, Latavius Murray was the one
that ran most of it and they wound up winning
that game. But the Yes, they ran the same play
twenty of like twenty three plays against the Bronco there,
and it was again it was play called you can
you can google all this stuff. It's out there. It's
called called crunch. And they ran at ten straight times,

(23:17):
ten straight times. The defense knew it was coming, ran
at ten straight times.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Remarkable.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
All right, let's get one more call in here before
we had the break, doctor Fred Calo Springs is calling it.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
What's up, doctor Fred?

Speaker 10 (23:29):
Well, good evening, Ryan, Benjamin a really good, hard nosed
smass hit him in the mouth game today and great
to see the Broncos coming out on the on the
winning end. Ryan, I spoke to you about this about
five weeks ago and I said, you know, when we
were playing Philadelphia, we were maybe going to get I felt

(23:52):
like this was another game where we were going to
have maybe four or five different opportunities to make some
big plays. And I wrote it down on a pad.
I was just keeping track, and there were five times
there where Bow had a wide open receiver deep and

(24:13):
one's intercepted, the other four get knocked down. I mean,
these are opportunities that we are missing out on. And
as Benjamin was Benjamin was saying, you know, he's gonna
get heart medication. I'm gonna have to start prescribing myself
blood pressure medication because these these these games just keep
coming down. These just are nail biers. And when I

(24:35):
spoke to my wife about it, and I just like,
that's it. You're not going to watch any more games.
And you know a fat chance on that. Uh So
I want to get your take on that one. Also,
it was nice to see that we only got flagged
four times today versus the twelve last week. And so
again the coaching, coaching, coaching, they got to coach this

(24:56):
stuff up. And and I think someone made made a
comment earlier regarding the special teams and again we're we're
far from making those improvements. So we're still having difficulties.
And I know Darren Ridsy is a top notch special
teams coordinator in the league, but it's like, what do
you got to do to get that third element of

(25:18):
the game together. We're still still have too many errors
on on that special team side. So i'd like to
get your your guys' opinion for this evening right to
take my call?

Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah, thank you, doctor Fred, And you know, be safe
out there as well. And yeah, I mean the Broncos
are going to be like this. I'm just gonna let
you know. I mean, there's gonna be a couple of games,
maybe this Thursday against the Raiders, maybe they'll put themselves
in a position to.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
Not make it a fourth quarter game.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
That would certainly be nice, But I'd say more often
than not this season it's going to come down to
the fourth quarter pretty much consistently.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
That's how I view this team.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
Yeah, which leads to you know that that's usually good
for regular season wins. The question is a you're gonna
be able to do this against good teams.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
But again that's something you worry about. Then you don't
have to worry about that today, right.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
And you know that's the that's the binality behind being
the hot you know, the mic, the guy in front
of the microphone rather than a coach. They're viewing each
game as an individual chapter. You don't have to be
the best team in football, just the best team in
the stadium that day, which rocosif remarkably. I mean, they
they're very close to being an undefeated team this year. Right,
But again, there's just so much of this that You're like, Okay,

(26:21):
now I have to ask myself is winning excusing bad process?
Are we lucky? Are we good? Are we both? And
I'm not sure all those questions have been answered. What
I will say is that you have no doubts that
this team is a playoff contender. You have no doubts
that they're that they have the ability to come back.
They've stymied good offenses. Look what they did to Dallas
last week. They've managed to get by a great defense.

(26:42):
They got by Houston today. They've managed to secure fourth
quarter comebacks in what for the last five games, including
a thirty three point outburst against the New York Giants.
You did it at home, you did it away. There's
no there's no question left unanswered in terms of what
they can do. Now, the question becomes, will you do

(27:04):
this consistently going forward? Are these Is this just the
ball bounce on the right way this part of the season.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
I think it's a fair point. A special team is
very quickly. What are your thoughts on.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
This is a problem. It's time to have a conversation.
You fired good special teams coaches to bring in your buddy.
And it's been bad this year and we say the
buck has to stop somewhere. You fired a guy for
one missed block assignment on a field goal attempt, and
we had one of those today and that was the
least of the special team's issues just today. It's time

(27:34):
to have an honest conversation about that. The buck's got
to stop. Summer Sean can't dodge a question. All right, Well,
we're right back on the kaway Broncos ready a network.
The Texas scored a field goal on their first drive
of the third quarter, and they went three and out,
three and out, five plays, four plays, three and out,
three and out. You started having diminishing returns with Davis Mills.

(27:54):
Is the very limited playbook started to come into play
and the defense started figuring it out. You know, with
that he had early success because you prepped for CJ
and you know, you get those kind of things, and
they had a little you know, they had a little,
a little success with Mills early. But as time wore
on that you got the diminishing returns there. And that
was why I absolutely did not understand why the Houston

(28:15):
Texans on that last offensive series, you're trapped down there.
I don't remember what yard line there i'd have to
go back.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
They were starting from their own thirteen.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
Yeah, so you met at fourteen eighty seven yards a
minute fourteen. I think that they had two time outs.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
I believe you don't need eighty seven yards, you just
need to get a field goal. But still, I mean
forty yards.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
Well, you need more than forty yards there, you probably
need well, like just like because Farabarry missed the you
know one, you to feel comfortable about that sixty so
he probably needs sixty yards anyway, sixty yards whatever said
fifty yards, Well we'll split the difference, say fifty yards
in that amount of time. The worst thing that you
could do in that situation was stole the balls, start
getting incompletions and then have to punt it back to

(28:54):
where you're going to put the Broncos very close to
field goal position to begin with. That was horrible miss
as if the Texans coaches will take that absolutely, but
that was horrible. The Texans should have run the ball
on first down and see if the Broncos burn a
time out or not. And if they don't burn the
time out, then you can start looking at the passes.
If they do burn the time out, you run it again,
take away all the timeouts, run it on third down,
or run a screenplay, and then at that point in

(29:17):
time you go to overtime.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
They took fourteen seconds off their flock.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
That's all they took off the clock was fourteen seconds
and didn't take any time out, So Broncos got two
time outs.

Speaker 5 (29:24):
Out of that.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah, they had an incompletion, a short pass to Higgins
that ran out of bounds, and then another incompletion.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
They gave it back to the Bronx and knowing if
you're back there, you know, even a great punt is
still going to put the which they got a decent punt,
it is still going to put the Broncos real close
to field goal range.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Now the Broncos started from their own thirty six.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
That was like, I don't know who was up there
in the booth talk about we need to throw the
ball here, But whoever was in that chain of command
that decided that that was that was an absolute coaching mistake.
You should have gone the Texans should have played for
overtime there, all right, three all three seven one three
eighty five, eighty five. We go back to the phones
and profit was up next year on Bronco as rec
what's our profit?

Speaker 8 (30:02):
Ryan Boy? Great to talk to you after another win.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
Huh, yes, sir, that's what we do.

Speaker 8 (30:06):
See when I tell you typical Bronco win, you know,
eleven points in the fourth quarter, seven points in three quarters.
Hopefully that trend will change, and I think it will
next week. I'm I'm feeling thirty one thirteen next week.

Speaker 10 (30:21):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (30:23):
Broncos historically haven't been super great as a touchdown or
more favorite as far as they win a lot, but
they don't always get the blowout. But I just think
not only do they need to win next week against
the Schraders, but I think a blow a Dallas type
win would be something that they that they need. We
don't need another nail Bier, and I don't think it
will be. We will see what happens. I tell you what,

(30:47):
Bonnicks was again clutch in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 5 (30:51):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (30:52):
I don't know how you you scored four more points
in that quarter. But you know, it's a Philadelphia game,
Giants game. You know, it's not how you start, it's
how you finish. I guess if I had a concern
after this game other than injuries, Obviously, our offensive line
has improved since Russell Wilson, and I'm not making excuses

(31:13):
for Russell. I'd much rather have bow on so many
levels better now, youth, all that stuff. So it's not
like making excuses. But we have improved, you know, over
the years that were better than we used to be,
especially Garrett Bowls. But I kind of don't like how
we were getting boat raced by And I know Houston

(31:35):
has a good defense and all that, but you know,
two plays to get two yards in the third quarter
and we couldn't do it. That could have cost us
the game.

Speaker 5 (31:42):
It didn't.

Speaker 8 (31:43):
But the most impressive thing I think, other than how
awesome our defense was, was we basically gave away fixed
points and still beat at least a pretty competitive team
with the turnover by bow Nicks led to a field
goal we had the block. Yeah, the muff punt literally
just handed them three points that they otherwise would not

(32:06):
have had. I don't know why we even have somebody
back there in that position. I think if Sean Payton
is in that situation again, maybe just not even have
anyone back there and just let the ball bounce and
go into halftime.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
Yeah, I mean, that's that's a good points profit. We
got other calls. Man, I gotta, I gotta let you go.
But yeah, I i'd say that the backup punt returner
is actually Riley Moss. But because of where you were
at with your secondary, I didn't think you were going
to put him back out there. And Michael Bandy has
been one of their per returners at least during training
camp and the preseason.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
So I guess to your point though, of maybe.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Going for the block necessarily then putting Bandy back there,
I don't know they'd called timeouts up to that point,
so they they were intent on trying to get a
drive there before halftime.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
And that's that's been Sean Payton's m O. Yeah, they
wanted to double up. They knew they were getting the
ball back at the half, so they you know, they
want to get a drive and that's that's what they do.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Let's get to another call here, we take a break.
Brian in Pleblo. You're a mixture on Broncos React runtil
eight o'clock.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
What's up? Brian?

Speaker 13 (33:06):
Okay, good evening, guys. Good to talk to you. A
long time ticket holder. Won't take your time to analyze everything.
Sounds like guys, you're doing a good job of that tonight.
Just glad to have the win. They had a tough
game but managed to pull it out. That's what we're
looking for. The main reason for my call, guys, is
and you've probably covered this several times, but as a

(33:27):
longtime fan used to go to the stadium with my dad,
he'd always listened to the radio in the stadium. I
tried to do the same, and I think it was
the last year you went to a ten second delay
in the stadium on the radio. You probably covered this
a number of times, but it was good to have
that in the stands and I really miss being able
to do that. What's the reason why you went to

(33:49):
that delay?

Speaker 1 (33:50):
All right, thanks for the call.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
I mean that tends to be more of a iHeart
corporate decision than anything that we're doing there locally, unless Yan,
unless you have something else you want to add to that.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
It's now the way that the audio was sent to
the transmitter.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
Okay, it's processing delay.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
There you go. It's not. There is no rule in
the NFL. There is no policy about delaying all. That's
exactly what it is is latency on the on the
delay on the audio being transmitted out and then broadcast
back into the stadium. There we go.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
So that's uh, hopefully that's a little bit of an
answer for you. We got full lines though, three or
three seven, three, eighty five, eighty five. We'll continue to
roll through these all the way till eight o'clock. Back
to the phones, and Chris in Clovis, New Mexico is
up next.

Speaker 14 (34:30):
What's up, Chris, Hey, guys, how you all doing.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
We're doing great, man, Thanks for calling in great.

Speaker 14 (34:36):
Wind to night, great win tonight, and I think the
textans help us on that win right there with the
calling the timeouts on the left and a half they
called their two timeouts and it helped advantage Den't for
those two timeouts that they called, and that helped us
on the end there. First of all, one bone to
pick with the head coach still goes he needs to

(34:59):
take it down any field goal that he can take
going down the stretch. We're gonna need them any field
goal anytime we're in the red zone. Seven quarters, we
played flat for the last three well it was with
the New York Giants and the Jets seven quarters where
we played flat, and that means to improve as well.

(35:19):
Our defense. Our defense is let me see when they
send pressure in blitzes. They do really good. When they
go soft in the zone, not very not so good.
We hurt there. We're losing that hurry up offense. I
noticed that we get really good when we do the

(35:42):
hurry up offense where we get down the field a
lot faster, and I want to see it from BONEI
it's one of these games where we get down in
the two yard line doing the hurry up offense and
then he runs a bootleg like Peyton Manning in in
twenty thirteen over in Dallas, Texas, where he just walked
in this walked in the gins and uh uh down

(36:03):
the stretch. We're gonna need Simeon to play a few
anytime we get ahead of any team. Let Simeon play
a little bit. Wait, because we're gonna need bow Nicks
at the end.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
You mean.

Speaker 14 (36:16):
Steinham.

Speaker 13 (36:16):
Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 14 (36:17):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry Steinham.

Speaker 8 (36:18):
Yes, well, you want to let Sam play anytime?

Speaker 1 (36:22):
Huh you want to let Stidham play.

Speaker 14 (36:25):
You know when we get ahead. No, no, when we
get ahead like we did with the Dallas Cowboys where
they put him in for the last a little bit
of the last quarter right now. They may be a
risk bo Nixt for the tail end of the of
the playoffs, because I've noticed not one quarterback can do
all sixteen games and then go into the playoffs and
try to win the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
All right, well we'll worry about that. When we worry
about that, you have to be up significantly. I think
the Dallas game really has been the only one. Maybe
you'd say Cincinnati were the only games that were so
decided that you could consider putting in your backup quarterback.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
I'm not worried about resting bo Nicks. I'm sorry about that, but.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
I I appreciate your call as far as zone versus man,
I mean, you're missing Patsertan in this game, so you
were going to have to do a few things different.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
You don't have.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
You don't have the lockdown number one quarterback in the league,
and I saw a little bit of that today. So yeah,
all right, back to the phones, regief, you're up next
year on Broncos react.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
What's up?

Speaker 13 (37:19):
Man? Hey Ryan here?

Speaker 15 (37:21):
Are you nice to hear from you again? Yeah, so
listen A lot to take it from this game. I'm
glad they won. You know, people are going to question
the special teams, and they're going to question you know,
Peyton's play calling. I don't know whether it's play calling
execution or maybe we just need a stun wide receiver.
I'm not saying you go trade for Jail and Model.
I like the way, you know, I would like to
play Peyton. Peyton are building the team. But you know

(37:42):
one thing that I was just thinking about today. You know,
I've been listening to you and Ben for quite some
time now, and I remember Ben made a really good
remark back in the Sangio Scangerella lock day, you know
where it was like listening to Broncos they need to
learn how to win. You know, you go from losing
big to losing small, to winning smaller eventually winning big,
and you look at you know that part in the middle,

(38:04):
like what was the stat And I read today last
year and when one score games, they were like two
and six, one and six, and now they're like whatever,
six and two, So like, I like, just flip the
script a little bit here, and you know my view
is this, and you know, I know people are gonna
you know, and you know, I like it's called Ben
the wet Bland game. But Ben does raise some good
points about Sean Payton, like you know, doesn't stick to
leron the screens, et cetera. But you had to think here,

(38:26):
like I'm not trying to be cautiously optimistic, but I
would think, I really feel like this is just a
young team that's learning how to play.

Speaker 10 (38:33):
Right.

Speaker 15 (38:34):
You got you had a second your quarterback age twenty five.
You know he had court and something like the veteran
but like you know, Pat Bryant's young, Troy Franklin's young,
R J. Harvey young, Like this is a young offensive
team that they're grooming together, and I think it's going
to take them some time. And like that's what's kind
of get saved me, like kes Ponds and because listen,
I know people are going to question Sean Payton, but
like he is still one.

Speaker 4 (38:53):
Of the best coach in the league.

Speaker 15 (38:54):
So just kind of get your thoughts on, like you know,
what your first all, what are your thoughts to do
over all game. I didn't listen to you from from
earlier on when start and your thoughts on this team
learning how to win small, eventually win big and grow
together as young teams.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Yeah, I appreciate the call man and you know, listen,
you're gonna get run next time you say a nice
thing is about Ben.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
I'm just kidding.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Well, no, there is a certain amount of that, and
we saw that last year as the way they were
able to to win some of those games. This is
in some ways the young team. It's also in some
ways and established. I think they're kind of in that
weird middle ground where there are some things that you'd
hope would be a little bit better, but at the

(39:31):
same time, there's an internal belief that they can play
and even if things aren't going well, they'll find a way.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
To win games.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
And that tends to be the mark of a good team.
And yeah, I feel like, and I said this a
bit earlier, that they're doing the hard things well. Actually,
like closing games and being clutch of the fourth quarter
is actually the hardest part. Most teams take the longest
to get there. They'll figure out a way to limp
together or play well for three quarters. I mean, we've

(40:01):
seen plenty of games even just today where teams are
playing well for three quarters and then they just sort
of collapse. They fall apart in the fourth quarter when
the chips are down and everything matters that's when the
best teams usually show up and find a way, and
the Chiefs have been one of those teams forever, right
they just no matter what's going on, they find a
way to win in the fourth quarter. They just do
it with a little bit more style because they have
one of the best quarterbacks to ever play the game.

(40:23):
But here the Broncos don't have one of the best
quarterbacks to ever play the game. That doesn't mean he
won't get better over the course of time. It just
means where he is right now. There are some limitations
to what you're able to do. But the hard part
is being clutched. The hard part is closing games, and
they're getting that part down. So I don't I don't
stress about the rest of it because for me, you
can fill in the gaps.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
Be stressed about the rest of it, because you know
there's gonna be teams that are gonna get out to
you know, there's gonna be teams that are gonna score
on you early and gonna put you in deficits that
you can't come back from. And so you know, the
Giants aren't that team. I mean, they've given up what
eighty seven points in the last eight quarters or something.
They're a horrible defense, but we found a way. And
I think if I had to go out on a

(41:05):
limb and I had to have a hot take about it,
I would say this year and only this year, in
a limited fourth quarter, I gotta have it. I need
a comeback scenario. I might take Bowl over Pat Mahomes.
We'll right back on the Kiwi Broncos Radio Network.